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The Longest Silence, Thomas McGuane I’ve only started the book, but I am already humbled by McGuane’s story-telling in this book.

I enthusiastically agree.  Even though most of the material in this book is recycled from "An Outside Chance, 2nd Ed." which was recycled from the first edition, which was a compilation of essays published in "Sports Illustrated" (in their glory days in the 70’s) and elsewhere, this book is a must-read.  McGuane has a gift for writing like nobody else I know. I wish I had been born 15 years earlier, and had been in Key West in the early 70’s, when it was haunted by McGuane, Russell Chatham, Jim Harrison, and Jimmy Buffett.  Don’t even want to go there now, I fear it would be a horrible disappointment. Kevin

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The Longest Silence, Thomas McGuane I’ve only started the book, but I am already humbled by McGuane’s story-telling in this book.   No offense to you guys (many of whom write good <g), but McGuane’s narrative takes me right into the places and experiences in his fishing life, be it fly fishing for trout or spin casting for stripers in the surf.   If the rest of the book is as pleasant as the first part, I just may have to buy a copy.   Definitely a good read.

This is the finest fishing-related book I’ve read in many years. Maybe ever. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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The Longest Silence, Thomas McGuane I’ve only started the book, but I am already humbled by McGuane’s story-telling in this book.   No offense to you guys (many of whom write good <g), but McGuane’s narrative takes me right into the places and experiences in his fishing life, be it fly fishing for trout or spin casting for stripers in the surf.   If the rest of the book is as pleasant as the first part, I just may have to buy a copy.   Definitely a good read. Joe F. Ordinarily I’d finish a book before commenting, but I’m overdue for a decent on-topic post, and I’m really liking this book.

joe, that book is one of my favorites… it’s been awhile, mebbe i’m due for a re-read. walt

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Ordinarily I’d finish a book before commenting, but I’m overdue for a decent on-topic post

    do us all a favor.  send a copy to forty. wayno

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The Longest Silence, Thomas McGuane I’ve only started the book, but I am already humbled by McGuane’s story-telling in this book.   No offense to you guys (many of whom write good <g), but McGuane’s narrative takes me right into the places and experiences in his fishing life, be it fly fishing for trout or spin casting for stripers in the surf.   If the rest of the book is as pleasant as the first part, I just may have to buy a copy.   Definitely a good read.

It just keeps getting better as your read through it. There’s a piece on permit fishing toward the end that is possibly the best thing that I have read on fly fishing. Peter G. Aitken

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The Longest Silence, Thomas McGuane I’ve only started the book, but I am already humbled by McGuane’s story-telling in this book.   No offense to you guys (many of whom write good <g), but McGuane’s narrative takes me right into the places and experiences in his fishing life, be it fly fishing for trout or spin casting for stripers in the surf.   If the rest of the book is as pleasant as the first part, I just may have to buy a copy.   Definitely a good read. Joe F. Ordinarily I’d finish a book before commenting, but I’m overdue for a decent on-topic post, and I’m really liking this book.

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Wayne Hart: Well Joe, you could cruise down here Thursday evening, we’ll leave Fredericksburg Friday morning and have you back this far by the next Wednesday evening.  You won’t need much luggage.  I suspect you’ll hold the rod all the way down and you can sleep on the floor of Clave Central curled up in a little ball around that rod!!  (nobody’ll notice you don’t change underwear anyway). —

Hey, wait a minute!  You’re giving away MY floor space.  If he changes his underwear (underware sometimes at moments like this) at least daily, and helps me with breakfast, *then* he can sleep on the couch at clave central.  But he has to cover himself because some of the YLs from the Pixie might come by with Dave LaCourse

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Hmm…..think I’ll be doin my own cookin over there in the campground…..Ken, you and Wolfgang like stir fry? fahitas? kraut and

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wayne Hart: Well Joe, you could cruise down here Thursday evening, we’ll leave Fredericksburg Friday morning and have you back this far by the next Wednesday evening.  You won’t need much luggage.  I suspect you’ll hold the rod all the way down and you can sleep on the floor of Clave Central curled up in a little ball around that rod!!  (nobody’ll notice you don’t change underwear anyway). — Hey, wait a minute!  You’re giving away MY floor space.  If he changes his underwear (underware sometimes at moments like this) at least daily, and helps me with breakfast, *then* he can sleep on the couch at clave central.  But he has to cover himself because some of the YLs from the Pixie might come by with Dave LaCourse

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Hmm…..think I’ll be doin my own cookin over there in the campground…..Ken, you and Wolfgang like stir fry? fahitas? kraut and

Can’t speak for Wolfgang, we haven’t discussed menus yet. Given my druthers, I’m a vegetarian, but I’m not inflexible on a fishin’ trip. When "car camping" I tend to eat a lot of pasta and fresh veggies from the local grocery store. The local grocery stores in and around Linville, NC are WAY beyond adequate. There’s a bunch of really, really, RICH folk livin’ in that area. I saw an ‘86 Lafite-Rothschild in the grocery store ! No kiddin’. I have a fairly well equipped "camp kitchen", no reason we can’t have a communal kitchen. Let’s plan on it. — Ken Fortenberry

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Heck Joe, I bet there are a lot of guys at the clave that will change underwear with you.  Especially if they got the drizzles after drinking all night and had an accident. Ernie  Well Joe, you could cruise down here Thursday evening, we’ll leave  Fredericksburg Friday morning and have you back this far by the next  Wednesday evening.  You won’t need much luggage.  I suspect you’ll hold the  rod all the way down and you can sleep on the floor of Clave Central curled up in a little ball around that rod!!  (nobody’ll notice you don’t

change  underwear anyway).

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Heck Joe, I bet there are a lot of guys at the clave that will change underwear with you.  Especially if they got the drizzles after drinking all night and had an accident.

The geezers at clave central at past claves just threw their shorts in a pile when they went to bed and then rooted through for the cleanest pair when they got up. Last one up generally got the ones LaPlac wore the day before<g. — Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmm…..think I’ll be doin my own cookin over there in the campground…..Ken, you and Wolfgang like stir fry? fahitas? kraut and Can’t speak for Wolfgang, we haven’t discussed menus yet. Given my druthers, I’m a vegetarian, but I’m not inflexible on a fishin’ trip. When "car camping" I tend to eat a lot of pasta and fresh veggies from the local grocery store. The local grocery stores in and around Linville, NC are WAY beyond adequate. There’s a bunch of really, really, RICH folk livin’ in that area. I saw an ‘86 Lafite-Rothschild in the grocery store ! No kiddin’. I have a fairly well equipped "camp kitchen", no reason we can’t have a communal kitchen. Let’s plan on it. — Ken Fortenberry

Depends John.  Taken individually, all of the above meet with my hearty approval, but if you’re talking about a single meal we gotta talk. With a well stocked grocery store nearby there’s no reason we shouldn’t eat like kings.  Not exactly a Cordon Bleu chef myself but I do all the cooking at home and CAN throw together a passable meal or two.  Now all we gotta do is find a way to keep the slavering hordes from clave central from invading us at meal times.    

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Wolfgan dreams: Now all we gotta do is find a way to keep the slavering hordes from clave central from invading us at meal times.    

Are you kidding?  With Tom’s smoked turkey and smoked ham, IJ’s spaghetti, my tacos, Jeffy’s eggs, we will probably have to put a sentry at the door.   Dave LaCourse

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Kinda of like when you support Timbo’s C&K drivel in roff and then practice C&R on fishing trips? Can you say hypocrite?

Why do you always arrive on the scene like a pickled egg and beer fart. Can you say BMP? Peter

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Why do you always arrive on the scene like a pickled egg and beer fart.

alot….you just caused an olfactory flashback of the most malodorous kind.

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I’m really looking forward to giving away its virginity asap.

I recently learned a new word for this – handsel – first use, inauguration… Read in "A Man May Fish" by TC Kingsmill Moore (an Irish Judge). — Nogood Boyo

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A few weeks ago, I was to be the lucky random recipient of a new rod from Mike C.   Despite my initial euphoria, I soon reasoned that it was a gift for which I was unworthy; and I did, in a difficult fit of altruism, decline accepting with a suggestion that the Clave raffle would be a more fitting destination for the prize.   That much is true. But now I’m coming clean on the rest.   I just can’t have everybody thinking what a great guy I am without giving due acknowledgement to Mike.   As a personal gift, he sent me a rod anyway. It came yesterday, and it’s a 3-pc., 4 wt. beauty.   Naturally, I put a reel on it as soon as I got it out of the tube.   (I’d bought a new J. Ryall in anticipation.)   Yeah, with difficulty (for me) I could throw it for distance, even in the 15 kt wind last night, but so what.   On realistic distances, it cast like a dream.   I’m really looking forward to giving away its virginity asap.   Dave L. has already described the three he received for the Clave raffles, and I won’t add much to that except to say that the winners of those three will be truly fortunate ffers. I gave Mike a few parameters on my wants, needs, and habits, and let him surprise me.   He delivered with what may be the perfect rod for me.   It’s a better rod than I could afford to buy, and the friendship it represents gives it worth beyond measure.   Thanks, Mike. Joe F.

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My pleasure Joe. I don’t think "unworthy" even enters into it, quite the reverse.  Hope the first one is a big one ! TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Joe Fleishman writes: It came yesterday, and it’s a 3-pc., 4 wt. beauty.   Naturally, I put a reel on it as soon as I got it out of the tube.   (I’d bought a new J. Ryall in anticipation.)   Yeah, with difficulty (for me) I could throw it for distance, even in the 15 kt wind last night, but so what.   On realistic distances, it cast like a dream.   I’m really looking forward to giving away its virginity asap.   Dave L. has already described the three he received for the Clave raffles, and I won’t add much to that except to say that the winners of those three will be truly fortunate ffers. I gave Mike a few parameters on my wants, needs, and habits, and let him surprise me.   He delivered with what may be the perfect rod for me.   It’s a better rod than I could afford to buy, and the friendship it represents gives it worth beyond measure.   Thanks, Mike. Joe F.

<BG  I’m happy for ya, Joe.  But even happier for Mike for doing it.  The friendship it represents is priceless.  Mike, you’re too much!!!! Now, Joe, what’s it gonna take to get you to the clave next month?  Day Tripper and I can pick you up on the way down.  Of course with him in the front seat, you in the back, and me driving, we would fit the cop’s profile of ne’r-do-wells.   Go fishin’! Dave LaCourse

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Now, Joe, what’s it gonna take to get you to the clave next month?  Day Tripper and I can pick you up on the way down.  Of course with him in the front seat, you in the back, and me driving, we would fit the cop’s profile of ne’r-do-wells.  

Kidnapped geezer? <g — Charlie…

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Now, Joe, what’s it gonna take to get you to the clave next month?  Day Tripper and I can pick you up on the way down.  Of course with him in the front seat, you in the back, and me driving, we would fit the cop’s profile of ne’r-do-wells. Kidnapped geezer? <g

Speaking of which, I’m trying to figure out how much money this whole clave thing is going to cost me.  What is the recommended standard bail allotment?

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Speaking of which, I’m trying to figure out how much money this whole clave thing is going to cost me.  What is the recommended standard bail allotment?

Wayno should know the going rate schedule. The clave orientation tour includes visits to the local emergency room and drunk tank so you won’t feel disoriented should you wake up in one or the other<g. — Charlie…

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A few weeks ago, I was to be the lucky random recipient of a new rod from Mike C.   Despite my initial euphoria, I soon reasoned that it was a gift for which I was unworthy; and I did, in a difficult fit of altruism, decline accepting with a suggestion that the Clave raffle would be a more fitting destination for the prize.   That much is true.

Joe, whatever you do, don’t break that rod in the door of your car. Wouldn’t that just be one of life’s little ironies? After all, MC doesn’t believe in warranties! You are the man, Mike. I’m glad to see that something measurably good has come from the killfile project. –Steve

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Joe, whatever you do, don’t break that rod in the door of your car. Wouldn’t that just be one of life’s little ironies? After all, MC doesn’t believe in warranties!

Don’t even THINK that!    If you jinx me, I’m comin’ out there after you. Joe F.

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Wolfgang: Speaking of which, I’m trying to figure out how much money this whole clave thing is going to cost me.  What is the recommended standard bail allotment?

Six hundred bucks.  Bring 800.  And if PJ is there, 1000. Dave LaCourse

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Six hundred bucks.  Bring 800.  

He can get by on a lot less if he stays away from the livestock. — Charlie…

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Six hundred bucks.  Bring 800. He can get by on a lot less if he stays away from the livestock. — Charlie…

have you ever known a wolf to stay away from livestock? bring 1200…. waldo

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Now, Joe, what’s it gonna take to get you to the clave next month?  Day Tripper and I can pick you up on the way down.  Of course with him in the front seat, you in the back, and me driving, we would fit the cop’s profile of ne’r-do-wells.   Kidnapped geezer? <g

LOL! Love it Charlie – but more likely it’ll be Joe holding up the "HELP US!" sign in the rear window… /daytripper (Crash Test Dummy #1)

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Well Joe, you could cruise down here Thursday evening, we’ll leave Fredericksburg Friday morning and have you back this far by the next Wednesday evening.  You won’t need much luggage.  I suspect you’ll hold the rod all the way down and you can sleep on the floor of Clave Central curled up in a little ball around that rod!!  (nobody’ll notice you don’t change underwear anyway). — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Joe Fleishman writes: <BG  I’m happy for ya, Joe.  But even happier for Mike for doing it.  The friendship it represents is priceless.  Mike, you’re too much!!!! Now, Joe, what’s it gonna take to get you to the clave next month?  Day Tripper and I can pick you up on the way down.  Of course with him in the front seat, you in the back, and me driving, we would fit the cop’s profile of ne’r-do-wells. Go fishin’! Dave LaCourse

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Six hundred bucks.  Bring 800. He can get by on a lot less if he stays away from the livestock. — Charlie… have you ever known a wolf to stay away from livestock? bring 1200…. waldo

It’s not so much the individual figures that bother me as it is the escalation.  Get out of jail cards have doubled in just four hours! With twenty some days to go I hesitate to even speculate on where this will go.   Um……we’re kinda partial to Holsteins up here….I don’t suppose…..nah, fergit it.

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my week-long sabbatical in the blue ridge ends today, but i leave with more experience in the streams i love and having developed a better friendship with Walt Winter of ezflyfish.com..

Appreciate the reports, Jeff.  I think Tom Brown was up that way this weekend as well.  Fond memories of the Great North State……. Mark Faulkner

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Appreciate the reports, Jeff.  I think Tom Brown was up that way this weekend as well.  Fond memories of the Great North State……. Mark Faulkner

I wanted to go this weekend, but couldn’t get a dog sitter.  Probably just as well, there would have been more witnesses.  NEXT weekend – now that’s a different story.  I’m heading over on Friday and, if I make it back home, I’ll post an unambiguous, unfettered, true report of the ensuing activities (depending on circumstances and to the extent that my attorney allows). Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC HEATHEN, n. A benighted creature who has the folly to worship something that he can see and feel.                – Ambrose Bierce: The Devil’s Dictionary

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        my week-long sabbatical in the blue ridge ends today, but i leave with more experience in the streams i love and having developed a better friendship with Walt Winter of ezflyfish.com…walt martyred himself to fishing with me during these last 3 days, braving the wrath of his lovely spouse Marie and delaying the demands of his business until the late evening hours.           The first 3 days, i fished my usual spots.           one stream i consider "my" stream because of its closeness to my cabin, because i fish it every time i’m in the area hoping to get to know its entire length eventually, and because it always yields me a fish or two or several. it holds only wild browns and is overlooked by many of the fishing population (spinning and fly) because of its location and lower elevation (1400 feet). still, it has all of the characteristics of streams i love to hike and fish…wildlife (turkey, deer, grouse, snakes)can be seen on occasions, wildflowers blooming from spring through late fall, and a nice combination of deep pools, pocket water, and riffles with some small waterfalls and large boulders or rock formations.  there is a small trail for about 4 miles running beside the stream, which allows access to various points and gives an ability to avoid other fishermen/women or to share a nice day with a group of friends by staggering entries. the browns in the stream are as beautiful, "spooky", and feisty as any i’ve caught in any of the wild trout waters of the state.  On this trip, i deceived several nice brownies with a dave’s hopper, parachute adams, hare’s ear, and prince nymph.  the largest was 10 1/2 inches…above average for me in this stream…with the others in the 6 – 9 inch range, which is the size of fish generally caught in non-hatchery waters. on one trip, i caught an 8 inch brown out of the tail of a deep pool, and a big brown of at least 15-18 inches chased after it as i was bringing it in, so there are larger fish waiting to be taken with skillful and patient persistence…that big brown provides an enduring optimism and goal for future pursuits on "my" stream… jeff

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Can anyone direct me a website or any other literature that would provide some instruction on the classic Swing Method of fly fishing? Thanks! ….learning in Northern California…. – Scott

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Can anyone direct me a website or any other literature that would provide some instruction on the classic Swing Method of fly fishing?

1.  Ray Bergman, Trout (1938) 2.  Wet fly technique is also summarized in Leisenring/ Hidy, Art of Tying the Wet Fly and Fishing the Flymph (1971). — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Next month there will be a fly fishing/tying seminar, January 9 & 10 at Boise State University.  Big names like Jack Dennis, Mike Lawson, and Gary LaFontaine are the headliners.  Two day seminar; each day different, and you can go for one or both days.  Cost is $25 for one day, $45 for both.  A free video with admission.  Raffles, other good stuff. Good way to spend that extra Christmas cash you will find in your stocking. Better yet, hint to your spouse or email Santa Claus that a seminar pass would be a great Christmas gift. The local fishing clubs, like the Ted Trueblood Chapter of Trout Unlimited, Boise Valley Fly Fishermen, Fly Fishers of Idaho etc. are working with the Idaho Angler to put this on.  Proceeds will go to a special account set up for the purpose of making some appropriate investments at Mormon Reservoir, the new trophy trout reservoir south of Fairfield, Idaho. For more information, or to sign up call the Idaho Angler at:  800-787-9957,

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The seminar is actually on January 10 and 11, Saturday & Sunday.

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In my minds eye, I saw incredible stress occuring on the primary thong knot, upper rear, but was relieved to see a perfectly executed bimini twist by a man who knows his knots. There is a God.

Some glorious power must deliver us from this place.

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In my minds eye, I saw incredible stress occuring on the primary thong knot, upper rear, but was relieved to see a perfectly executed bimini twist by a man who knows his knots. There is a God. Some glorious power must deliver us from this place.

Why? Mike

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best.

I wish I could afford Gray’s.  Seems like s gud’n…. TimW

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best.

I used to subscribe to a few different ones as a kid, but the only one that remains is Fly Rod & Reel. My brother very thoughtfully renews my subscription each year as a gift, kind of a tradition. If he didn’t I would have dropped FR&R by now as well. All fly fishing rags are geared to the same purpose: presenting readers with a glossy, unattainable image of the "Modern Angler" and delivering their gullible brains to advertisers who hawk mass-produced, plastic flyrods at $600 a pop. Have a nice day Spinolio

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Craig I like Grays and Fly Fishing In Saltwater Jay

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My favourite fishing mag is "Fish & Game New Zealand" P.O.Box 1746 Auckland New Zealand ph.  64-9-579-3000 fax. 64-9-579-3993 ISSN 1172-434X It costs $6.95 NZD = about $4.20 USD.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I would agree with some of what Jason says, though not all of it. A couple of the titles, Fly Rod & Reel and Fly Fisherman, do seem to me too much taken up in destination-type articles (FR&R more so). I still subscribe to Fly Fisherman though…guess I’m a magazine junkie (I work in publishing). However, I find American Angler in general to have less of the destination stuff and more of the fishing stuff. Most recent issue arrived yesterday, featuring articles on midge fishing (complete with patterns and recipes), damsel flies, nymphing techniques, buying bamboo rods, and small stream fishing. Plus, I love C. Boyd Pfeiffers tips column. I’ve now built my own bobbin rest/cradle, and am planning a rod wrapping stand and gallows-type tool based on some of his suggestions. The entymology column is also interesting. I look forward to my American Angler every month (although they spend too much time on eastern fisheries–I’m in California. I also subscribe to Western Fly Fishing and Western Fly Tying (as some one in publishing, let me take a minute to say hey Amato! get an art director with a sense of design and restraint), and Fly Tyer. In particular, I find the fly tying publications, as Jason said, full of useful info. And like I said, I’m a magazine junkie. All that having been said, much of this info is also available to you on the internet now…but you can’t take it in the john with you. Roger

Personally, I dropped American Angler, as they have become another Trout mag. There Saltwater flyfishing seems pretty good. Don’t bother with Fly Fishing In Saltwater, unless you have lots of bucks to travel. Charlie

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best.

   I subscribe to all the fishing mags (including foreign ones). It’s my job to be up on what’s new and even the ads get my attention. One tidbit pays for the issue (and quite frankly I do get something of value out almost all the magazines).    If I were allowed only one rag it would be IN-FISHERMAN (gasp!). It is the only magazine that consistantly has in-depth articles about fish and fisheries rather than peripheral stuff like thermometer reviews or streamside fashions.     After the fifteenth incarnation of "All you ever wanted to know about strike indicators", you really have to wonder how long the average reader has been subscribing to ANY of the flyishing magazines.    -Ralph

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With all of this magazine talk, I’ve got to wonder when a FF mag will finally come out with a February Swimsuit issue. Who would grace the cover – Lefty Kreh in thog briefs casting to bonefish??

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Lefty Kreh in thog briefs casting to bonefish??

Thank you, Sean, for putting that wonderous image into our heads. Steve

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[snip] :     After the fifteenth incarnation of "All you ever wanted to know about : strike indicators", you really have to wonder how long the average reader : has been subscribing to ANY of the flyishing magazines. Or how much there really is to know about our beloved hobby! — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: Lefty Kreh in thog briefs casting to bonefish?? : Thank you, Sean, for putting that wonderous image into our heads. No good becomes the man who uses the words thong and Lefty in the same sentence.   (Unless it is done in a anatomical context, as in "Men wearing thongs are predisposed to hang lefty.") — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best. Craig,    After subscribing to countless magazines ( Flyfishing, fishing, hunting, etc.) over many years I have come to the conclusion that the money is better spent on new  equipment, better tying vice, gas, or other…. Most magazines recycle , perhaps modify somewhat … but still generally write about the same stuff…  It becomes quite boring and a waste of money IMHO… Some are better than others.

Magazines in any area, be it fishing or fly tying or computers or baby rearing or what-have-you, recycle material because over time their readership changes and they have proportionally more readers who are new to the field than they do "old timers".  This can be an annoyance to the old hands who find themselves reading the same type of material over and over again, but it’s great for authors who can make a fine living recycling old material.  Hmmm…maybe it’s time to consider a career change?  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail addresses hacked to foil automailers!

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: Lefty Kreh in thog briefs casting to bonefish?? : Thank you, Sean, for putting that wonderous image into our heads. No good becomes the man who uses the words thong and Lefty in the same sentence. (Unless it is done in a anatomical context, as in "Men wearing thongs are predisposed to hang lefty.")

Great. Just great. Now, not only do we have Lefty in a thong but we know which way he’s hanging! Bring me a bucket… I’m gonna ROFF! Spinolio

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Lefty Kreh in thog briefs casting to bonefish?? : Thank you, Sean, for putting that wonderous image into our heads. No good becomes the man who uses the words thong and Lefty in the same sentence. (Unless it is done in a anatomical context, as in "Men wearing thongs are predisposed to hang lefty.") Great. Just great. Now, not only do we have Lefty in a thong but we know which way he’s hanging! Bring me a bucket… I’m gonna ROFF!

In my minds eye, I saw incredible stress occuring on the primary thong knot, upper rear, but was relieved to see a perfectly executed bimini twist by a man who knows his knots. There is a God. TimW

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best. Craig T

Dear Craig; I have found most flyfishing mags. superfluous.  They are O.K. for getting vacationing FFermen to know about destinations (and, in the local’s point of view, ruining them, with some legitimacy), and some techniques, (usually casting), but that is about it. I am not independently wealthy, so I don’t go jetting around the continent to fantastic, exotic waters.  So I find it of little utility for me.   After I learned enough about locations, hatches, tying, casting and the fish in general and had knowlegeable people to talk to, the magazines were, as I said, became superfluous. The applicability was really nil. Now, fly tying mags, like "Fly Tyer" are much different. I can apply techniques seen there to flies I use right here.  Of most utility are the local sporting publications.  I fish in Pennsylvania, so knowing what’s going on here is important to me.  Also, these publications keep track of local and state legislation, special regs. areas, local pollution, stream recover and projects, recent reports on new waters for me to fish, etc.  I don’t give a flyin’ fig about that damnable DePuy’s spring creek.  So what.  It is not a critical national or for me, local issue.  There is time and effort better spent elsewhere. JB

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: for me to fish, etc.  I don’t give a flyin’ fig about that damnable : DePuy’s spring creek.  So what.  It is not a critical national or for : me, local issue.  There is time and effort better spent elsewhere. Jason, I’d like you to reconsider.  There are good trout streams and there are trout streams without trout.  Consider all these resources, resources of our natural world.  We need to work together to protect the remaining good resources and work together to reclaim the wasted resources.  If we don’t work together, they will all be gone.  It might take years and years, but they will all go away.  The first step (IMO) in working together is education and awareness.  It’s good to know what makes a resource good, and how it stacks up with local conditions with which we might be more familiar.  It’s important to know what is excellent, what is good and what is weak, because it helps us draw distinctions and priorities.  I argue it’s improtant to know other countries, because it helps imagine what it was like here 100 years ago (of course, Idaho is still like it was 100 years ago), and what it can be again. I encourage you and others to try to maintain at least a minimal interest in the rest of the world.  We are all local fisherfolk. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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I would agree with some of what Jason says, though not all of it. A couple of the titles, Fly Rod & Reel and Fly Fisherman, do seem to me too much taken up in destination-type articles (FR&R more so). I still subscribe to Fly Fisherman though…guess I’m a magazine junkie (I work in publishing). However, I find American Angler in general to have less of the destination stuff and more of the fishing stuff. Most recent issue arrived yesterday, featuring articles on midge fishing (complete with patterns and recipes), damsel flies, nymphing techniques, buying bamboo rods, and small stream fishing. Plus, I love C. Boyd Pfeiffers tips column. I’ve now built my own bobbin rest/cradle, and am planning a rod wrapping stand and gallows-type tool based on some of his suggestions. The entymology column is also interesting. I look forward to my American Angler every month (although they spend too much time on eastern fisheries–I’m in California. I also subscribe to Western Fly Fishing and Western Fly Tying (as some one in publishing, let me take a minute to say hey Amato! get an art director with a sense of design and restraint), and Fly Tyer. In particular, I find the fly tying publications, as Jason said, full of useful info. And like I said, I’m a magazine junkie. All that having been said, much of this info is also available to you on the internet now…but you can’t take it in the john with you. Roger

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Amen to all that before. Much superflous caca in these magazines. Of them, American Angler is by far the best. Fly Rod & Reel isn’t very well written but the fiction issue is well worth buying. They also ran an interesting piece an issue or two ago about how bamboo rods are built. Of course, American Angler did that too…

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Wonderful advise, Rick.  Concern for local issues is only an important starting point.

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best. Craig T

Craig,    After subscribing to countless magazines ( Flyfishing, fishing, hunting, etc.) over many years I have come to the conclusion that the money is better spent on new  equipment, better tying vice, gas, or other…. Most magazines recycle , perhaps modify somewhat … but still generally write about the same stuff…  It becomes quite boring and a waste of money IMHO… Some are better than others. Just some thoughts !                                                                                              Jody

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best. Craig T

A couple of my favs are Fly Fisherman and Flyfishing.  I also like Salmon, Trout, Steelheader. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley 2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best. Craig T

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I don’t subscribe to it, but I just found a magazine called "Wild Steelhead & Salmon" that looks pretty good if you’re into those fish.   I can’t say how consistent it is because I’ve only seen this one issue, and it is a little expensive, but it’s out there if you’re curious.

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I currently subscribe to a couple of different fishing mag’s but would like to know what some of the newsgroup members subscribe to and which ones are the best. Craig THi Craig,

I subscribe to American Angler, Fly Rod & Reel, Fly Tying, Fly Tyers, Fly Fish America (the national version of the regional free magazine), and Fly Fisherman. I think American Angler is real good. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I will be in the Norway area of wester Maine in August and would like to do some flyfishing for trout.  Does anyone have any information? I would prefer streams, but lake information would be good also. Thanks. Wes Autio Pelham, Massachusetts

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I will be in the Norway area of wester Maine in August and would like to do some flyfishing for trout.  Does anyone have any information? I would prefer streams, but lake information would be good also. Thanks. Wes Autio Pelham, Massachusetts

August is not the best time to be in Norway, ME, looking for trout. Depending on how much time you have, your best bet would be the Rapid River, below Lake Richardson. This would be about an hour and a half drive, and a little hike, but easily the best bet in the area. The trout ponds in that area won’t be worth much in August, but you may find some trout in the upper reaches of the Crooked and Little Androscoggin Rivers. Both areas would be about a half hour drive from Norway. Good Luck. Joel Anderson

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Hans T.H. Beernink, Department of Biochemistry, University of Vermont

<snip: LOTS of good golden trout info deleted…   Ob Philosophical rantings (optional):   It seems that there is quite a mystique about the California golden   trout.  Californians like to say that it is the only trout truely native   to CA.  I know that most of the Western waters that can support goldens were   stocked with Kern goldens at one time or another (including those in Wyoming,   Colorado, and Utah), and the DFG has been hatching goldens at the foot of   Mt. Whitney for years..  There is also some debate over the different strains   of golden, in particular the small rosy fish found in the little Kern.     I’ve also heard that the golden is merely a uniquely colored rainbow, and   in fact is not a different species at all.  Whatever your angle on the   golden, it doesn’t really matter.  It’s a beautiful little fish, and fun   to catch.  Unfortunately, it’s also one of the most sensitive of the   trout.  The golden requires very clean water that is relatively   pristine.  There are lots of lakes and streams that at one time or   another held goldens, but are now incapable.  Between the effects of acid   rain, garbage from campers and hikers, and the cattle industry’s use of   the high meadows in the golden trout’s habitat, the trout are showing   signs of decline.  The fish are smaller, probably due to the lack of   food, and the waters capable of supporting goldens are fewer in number.     Let’s hope the trout are still here in a hundred years……       Best regards,   Hans   Greetings, Hans, and THANK YOU for the excellent post on golden trout.     Another problem besides habitat degredation, which DFG & others are finally realizing, has to do with the introduction of brook trout by the DFG  into Sierra lakes:  For years I have seen the brook trout spread from these lakes into the streams and rivers below them, displacing the golden (and rainbow) trout as they went.  Now finally the DFG has that "limit plus 5" or some-such program allowing you to keep an additional five brook trout beyond       the regular bag limit.  I have long made it a practice to never keep anything BUT brook trout to eat when a fresh meal of fish is in order. (Yummy, now where did I put ‘ole Mark Vinsel’s trout burrito recipe?)  In fact, I needed to buy new topo maps this year because my old ones were getting too beat up to read any more, and I was suprised to read in my new USDA Forest Service topo map the following:   "FISHING"   <SEVERAL PARAGRAPHS DELETED   "Brook trout are the most common fish in the wilderness.  They are easy to   catch and provide good trail-side meals.  A new fishing regulation allows   a larger bag -limit of small brook trout than in previous seasons!   Harvesting brook trout can improve angling by keeping the population in   check and reducing the numbers of small fish." I sure hope it isn’t too late – brook trout really do a number on the populations of golden and rainbow.     Thanks again for your informative post. Tight lines and happy trails!   -Mark Anderson

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In this newsgroup about two weeks ago there was a thread about goldens and we decided that there was no such thing as a golden over 16" in CA. In montano there are places to catch big goldens but its not the same as a CA golden.

Really.  Ralph Cutter claims in the "Sierra Trout Guide" that the California record for the Volcano Creek Golden Trout is 9 pounds, 8 ounces. That must have been one fat fish. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems  Ithaca, NY

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<snip :   :   Greetings, Hans, and THANK YOU for the excellent post on golden trout. :   :     Another problem besides habitat degredation, which DFG & others are : finally realizing, has to do with the introduction of brook trout by the : DFG  into Sierra lakes:  For years I have seen the brook trout spread from : these : lakes into the streams and rivers below them, displacing the golden (and : rainbow) trout as they went.  Now finally the DFG has that "limit plus 5" : or some-such program allowing you to keep an additional five brook trout : beyond       the regular bag limit.  I have long made it a practice to : never keep anything BUT brook trout to eat when a fresh meal of fish is in : order. (Yummy, now where did I put ‘ole Mark Vinsel’s trout burrito : recipe?)  In fact, I needed to buy new topo maps this year because my : old ones were getting too beat up to read any more, and I was suprised to : read in my new USDA Forest Service topo map the following: :   <snip :   : I sure hope it isn’t too late – brook trout really do a number on the : populations of golden and rainbow.   this is, of course, true.  Unfortunately, the DFG is responsible for the decline in "native" golden populations in the high sierras.  The brookie is not a native fish in the west.  It was, as you pointed out, introduced by the DFG, and only recently have they tried to make ammends.  In fact, some of the branches of the Kern were "poisoned" in a forced fish kill in an effort to replant the native goldens.  I don’t know if this was the correct approach, but they seem to be trying. Best regards, Hans — "The worst monotonous drone coming from a lectern or the most eye-splitting textbook written in turgid English is nothing in comparison to the psychological Sahara that starts right in your bedroom and spurns the horizon."         -Joseph Brodsky, from "In praise of Boredom"          delivered as a commencement address at Dartmouth College. Hans T.H. Beernink, Department of Biochemistry, University of Vermont

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<Regarding Golden Trout The biggest fish will be in rich lakes with limited spawning access. Lakes directly in a cirque receive sterile water, while lakes a step or two down in the chain receive water enriched by the lakes or meadows above. Lakes with more shallows and weedbeds are richest, though there has to be some deep water to protect against winterkill. The final criteria is the lack of a trail. The ideal would be a lake two steps down the chain, long and narrow, backing up into a meadow, with a single feeder stream with a falls a hundred yards above and below.  

Another reason Goldens are typically found in a chain of lakes is that, unlike cutthroat which like to spawn in inlets, Goldens spawn in lake outlets.  If there is not a lake below, the fry will wash downstream. With a chain of lakes, the fry will wash into a lower lake, where they can grow a few years, and then swim back up to their parents’ lake. — -Wayne Trzyna

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The biggest fish will be in rich lakes with limited spawning access. What do you mean?  Goldens spawn in streams.

I suspect he’s talking about the tendency of fish to overpopulate and stunt in high lakes with abundant spawning habitat but limited food. I’ve found lakes where this has happened to Goldens, as well as Cutts, and especially Brookies.  Since the original poster was looking for a trophy, he should avoid lakes with prolific spawning, unless the food supply can support it, which is rare in the types of high lakes in which Goldens are found. — -Wayne Trzyna

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All this talk about Golden trout raises another issue: patterns. What are some patterns with which folks have caught Goldens? I read somewhere that Goldens do not eat smaller fish and therefor won’t chase streamers.  Can anyone contradict this?   I personally have caught them on variaous small nymphs and dries.  At one lake, small attractors were especially effective, like a size 18 humpy. — -Wayne Trzyna

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Although it has been a long time ago–maybe 30 years–I fished one of the "sterile" lakes.  It was on the trail from Kearsearge pass to Glenn pass. Although you could swear there were no fish in it, all of a sudden, I couldn’t keep the fish from hitting the fly on the surface.  They would chase each other to get to it.  That lasted for about half an hour, and then, the lake appeare dead again. I should point out that this was in the early days of my fly fishing and sinking the fly never entered my mind. William Buchman

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: All this talk about Golden trout raises another issue: patterns. : What are some patterns with which folks have caught Goldens? : I read somewhere that Goldens do not eat smaller fish and therefor : won’t chase streamers.  Can anyone contradict this?   : I personally have caught them on variaous small nymphs and dries.  At one : lake, small attractors were especially effective, like a size 18 humpy. I’ve found that goldens in the high sierras are generally opportunists.   i.e., the high sierras have relatively little to offer in the way of mayflies/caddis/stoneflies etc., so the trout will generally eat whatever comes thier way.  Most dries will raise fish, but the bigger ones tend to like bushy attractors and terrestrials.  Try a small ‘hopper or a cricket.  Streamers *do* work too, but you generally need to put in right in front of the fish.  Smaller, flashy streamers like the micky finn or grey ghost work.  Hey, what about a wet fly?  The parmachene belle is one of my favorites, and works very well for larger goldens…. Best regards, Hans — "The worst monotonous drone coming from a lectern or the most eye-splitting textbook written in turgid English is nothing in comparison to the psychological Sahara that starts right in your bedroom and spurns the horizon."         -Joseph Brodsky, from "In praise of Boredom"          delivered as a commencement address at Dartmouth College. Hans T.H. Beernink, Department of Biochemistry, University of Vermont

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We hope to seek out California’s golden trout (catch & release) but are looking for a trophy sized fish.  We have combed the Sierra– catching goldens from 6 to 16 inches & resturned then safely back to the waters. Any suggestions for catching a golden over 16 inches.  We are not timid not without energy to go to the highest or most remote Sierra lakes. Thanking you in advance for advice. Denny

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In this newsgroup about two weeks ago there was a thread about goldens and we decided that there was no such thing as a golden over 16" in CA. In montano there are places to catch big goldens but its not the same as a CA golden. TimFLYFISH Dream of flyfishing, but also let the fish dream. C & R

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In this newsgroup about two weeks ago there was a thread about goldens and we decided that there was no such thing as a golden over 16" in CA.

Oh??? — -Wayne Trzyna

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We hope to seek out California’s golden trout (catch & release) but are looking for a trophy sized fish.  We have combed the Sierra– catching goldens from 6 to 16 inches & resturned then safely back to the waters. Any suggestions for catching a golden over 16 inches.  We are not timid not without energy to go to the highest or most remote Sierra lakes. Thanking you in advance for advice.

OY – by trophy do you mean something to put on the wall?   If you are you should understand that large goldens usually don’t have the brilliant colors that the whappers have.  I’m assuming not so I’ll offer some advice. You will have no satisfaction unless you do the work yourself. Here’s the general idea: The biggest fish will be in rich lakes with limited spawning access. Lakes directly in a cirque receive sterile water, while lakes a step or two down in the chain receive water enriched by the lakes or meadows above. Lakes with more shallows and weedbeds are richest, though there has to be some deep water to protect against winterkill. The final criteria is the lack of a trail. The ideal would be a lake two steps down the chain, long and narrow, backing up into a meadow, with a single feeder stream with a falls a hundred yards above and below.   Now get out your topos and go prospecting. Mark Vinsel Visit my gallery: http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.HTML

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: We hope to seek out California’s golden trout (catch & release) but are : looking for a trophy sized fish.  We have combed the Sierra– catching : goldens from 6 to 16 inches & resturned then safely back to the waters. : Any suggestions for catching a golden over 16 inches.  We are not timid : not without energy to go to the highest or most remote Sierra lakes. : Thanking you in advance for advice. I’ve spend a good deal of time in the Golden Trout Wilderness and the surrounding wilds of Inyo, etc., and I’ve spend most of that time fishing for Goldens. If you want a "trophy" trout, don’t fish for goldens.  Most of the fish are in the 10-12" range, and you’ll catch scads of them on almost anything.  BTW, Tim is wrong when he says that Goldens over 16" aren’t caught in CA.  In fact, I’ve caught quite a few.  They are very difficult to find, however, and it’s more luck than skill.   Most of the streams in the parks are packed with small goldens, but a fish over 12" is considered big in the streams.  The high lakes hold the big fish, but you need to be careful where you go, as some of these lakes are used as hatcheries (previously discussed….).  Most of the fry are planted in surrounding lakes, and this is often (or *was* often) done by airdropping the fry.  The fish then populate adjoining streams, etc.   It takes a hell of a long time for a golden to get big (over 18"): thus they are quite rare.   Best course of action?  Get the map, hike out for a week, and try some lakes.  Don’t dredge the bottom of the lakes, as they are generally lifeless.  Most of the fish will be in about 3-10′ water, near submerged rocks and glacial boulders.  Sometimes, the larger fish will cruise near an overhanging patch of grass if one is available. Flies?  Don’t go without a sierra red dot.  Basically its a red/orange floss body and a grizzly hackle at both the eye and bend of the hook.   Also bring the adams, humpies, some terrestrials (big ants are great, but beetles too…) and maybe a royal wulff.  I’d also try some wet flies and bright streamers.  Nymphs work, especially with some krystal flash, or other bright material (try some Z-lon..).  The bigger fish won’t rise as easily as the little ones, and expect to catch lots of fingerlings…. Ob Philosophical rantings (optional): It seems that there is quite a mystique about the California golden trout.  Californians like to say that it is the only trout truely native to CA.  I know that most of the Western waters that can support goldens were stocked with Kern goldens at one time or another (including those in Wyoming, Colorado, and Utah), and the DFG has been hatching goldens at the foot of Mt. Whitney for years..  There is also some debate over the different strains of golden, in particular the small rosy fish found in the little Kern.   I’ve also heard that the golden is merely a uniquely colored rainbow, and in fact is not a different species at all.  Whatever your angle on the golden, it doesn’t really matter.  It’s a beautiful little fish, and fun to catch.  Unfortunately, it’s also one of the most sensitive of the trout.  The golden requires very clean water that is relatively pristine.  There are lots of lakes and streams that at one time or another held goldens, but are now incapable.  Between the effects of acid rain, garbage from campers and hikers, and the cattle industry’s use of the high meadows in the golden trout’s habitat, the trout are showing signs of decline.  The fish are smaller, probably due to the lack of food, and the waters capable of supporting goldens are fewer in number.   Let’s hope the trout are still here in a hundred years…… Best regards, Hans  – "The worst monotonous drone coming from a lectern or the most eye-splitting textbook written in turgid English is nothing in comparison to the psychological Sahara that starts right in your bedroom and spurns the horizon."         -Joseph Brodsky, from "In praise of Boredom"          delivered as a commencement address at Dartmouth College. Hans T.H. Beernink, Department of Biochemistry, University of Vermont

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Randall Kaufmann of Kaufmann’s Streamborn is something of an expert on golden trout.  He usually spends multiple weeks per year in the high Sierra, and the Wind River area of WY.  I was just looking through his latest fly tying book and there are some great photos of Goldens.  If Also Kaufmann’s Streamborn has  a great color catalog that you can full color photos of lots of travel destinations.  They’ve got a new web page at http://www.teleport.com/~kman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We hope to seek out California’s golden trout (catch & release) but are looking for a trophy sized fish.  We have combed the Sierra– catching goldens from 6 to 16 inches & resturned then safely back to the waters. Any suggestions for catching a golden over 16 inches.  We are not timid not without energy to go to the highest or most remote Sierra lakes. Thanking you in advance for advice. Denny

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We hope to seek out California’s golden trout (catch & release) but are looking for a trophy sized fish.

A valid goal.  :) The biggest fish will be in rich lakes with limited spawning access.

What do you mean?  Goldens spawn in streams.  Limited access lakes such as Chicken Spring, or Funston Lake are actually dependant upon plants from DF & G.  Lakes with tributaries have the better prospects for a wild fish of size. Lakes directly in a cirque receive sterile water, while lakes a step or two down in the chain receive water enriched by the lakes or meadows above. Lakes with more shallows and weedbeds are richest, though there has to be some deep water to protect against winterkill.

I agree there.  The larger lakes have the larger fish.  Depth seems to be most important.  Shallow lakes in the High Sierra are usually sterile.  The Lake in the Eastern Sierra which has (according to Cal Fish and Game, anyway) without tributaries.  It is probably dependant upon stocking for new fish but the ones that survive get to about 20" over a period of ten or so years. The final criteria is the lack of a trail.

That is probably the *most* important factor of all.  The above mentioned lake is above timberline, about 10 miles of switchbacks from the trailhead. The last 3 miles is a rock climb.  That is why there are 20" Goldens in it. Now get out your topos and go prospecting.

Hear, hear!  I think the best part of finding those trout is fishing the ten or twenty lakes that look right but fail to produce.  Once you find the lake that you have personally prospected and sampled it becomes your personal find.  Good luck.  Take a long hard look at those topos, get out your flyrod and sample your fish! Tight lines, John Mark Vinsel Visit my gallery: http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.HTML

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I’ve read that nylon pantyhose makes a great shuck imitation.   -Clyde

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I’ve read that nylon pantyhose makes a great shuck imitation.  

And, its great fun to watch them get taken off!

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I’m a lover of spring creek midge fishing.  While I’m doing well on my pupae, I still can’t find a dry pattern that will consistently (or even semi-regularly) fool the surface sippers..  The thing I’m looking for is a

Check Gary LaFoine’s book "The Dry Fly", in it he has a pattern called the Buzz Ball that is suppose to imitated a midge cluster on the surface like one would see on some back water on the San Juan or similar river. good luck Mark Powers Boston

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I’m a lover of spring creek midge fishing.  While I’m doing well on my pupae, I still can’t find a dry pattern that will consistently (or even semi-regularly) fool the surface sippers..  The thing I’m looking for is a pattern that imitates  the midge during those few seconds that it sits dry on the surface, but is still attached to the shuck…apparently the moment of greatest vulnerability.  Both the midge and the shuck or on the surface (shuck may be in the film). Anyone had good luck with a pattern of this type?

I am wondering if a double tippet could be made to the midge a few inches from the shuck?   Put a hook in both if the trout cannot make up its mind.  Be interesting to see if the shuck or the midge get hit on most often. here a change to come up with a new pattern.  And we wonder where did they all come from.  :-)   Happy new year!

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The thing I’m looking for is a pattern that imitates  the midge during those

 few seconds that it sits dry on the surface, but is still attached to the shuck… I use your typical Griffith’s Gnat tied w/ a small plume of grey CDC feathers as a tail to imitate the trailing shuck.

Yours virtually, Gary W. Godden Denver, Colorado

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a lover of spring creek midge fishing.  While I’m doing well on my pupae, I still can’t find a dry pattern that will consistently (or even semi-regularly) fool the surface sippers..  The thing I’m looking for is a pattern that imitates  the midge during those few seconds that it sits dry on the surface, but is still attached to the shuck…apparently the moment of greatest vulnerability.  Both the midge and the shuck or on the surface (shuck may be in the film). Anyone had good luck with a pattern of this type? I am wondering if a double tippet could be made to the midge a few inches from the shuck?   Put a hook in both if the trout cannot make up its mind.  Be interesting to see if the shuck or the midge get hit on most often. here a change to come up with a new pattern.  And we wonder where did they all come from.  :-)   Happy new year!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Out here in Colorado we use something called a Stuck-In -Shuck midge.  It’s a good slow-water fly on the South Platte where winter trout seem to sometimes prefer emerging midges over full adults. The dressing is simple.  The tail, or "shuck" is a few strands of brown antron, or Z-lon. the body is thread, or peacock.  A few strands of white antron, Z-lon, or poly are tied in at the butt, and pulled over the body. This should be a little on the loose side, creating a kind of bubble.  Some people put a couple wraps of grizzly hackle, trimmed top, and bottom in front for better floatation.  This fly should be dressed to let the fly float in the film. I don’t know who dreamt this fly up, but I think it’s a pretty good one! Chaz — Chaz Clover Fly Tier, Fly Design, Riverkeeper.

I fish the tiny spring creeks in WI and the best surface/film pattern that I have tried is nothing radical: Griffith’s Gnat. I tie it on a size 22 wide gap 1XF hook. Peacock Body (short flue, taken from near the butt rather than the eye) and Top Quality (Hoffman) Grizzly also short (no longer than to point). Fished on 6X tippet with silicon paste applied on 3 inches about 6 inches from the fly. this: a. keeps it on top, b. if you position yourself just right it acts a an indicator, and c. allows the fly to move naturally. I don’t apply floatant to the fly as it makes it ride too high causing for short hits. Quarter it upstream and dead drift. Good Luck.

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: I’m a lover of spring creek midge fishing.  While I’m doing well on my : pupae, I still can’t find a dry pattern that will consistently (or even : semi-regularly) fool the surface sippers..  The thing I’m looking for is a : pattern that imitates  the midge during those few seconds that it sits dry : on the surface, but is still attached to the shuck…apparently the moment : of greatest vulnerability.  Both the midge and the shuck or on the surface : (shuck may be in the film). : Anyone had good luck with a pattern of this type? I do quite a bit of midge fishing, especially late in the season as it gets colder.  I’ve found that a #26 or 28 works very well for the large (but oh so rare) browns here in VT.  I don’t use a trailing shuck pattern, however.  I use a simple black or red thread body (no tail) with a grizzly, black, or cream hackle.  The red body is easy to spot, and it seems to work!  I rarely get refused with this pattern, and it’s very simple to tie.  In addition, it feeds my growing opinion that the presentation is (slightly?) more important than the fly choice (please, no flame wars on this one, both are important!)   I don’t usually fish this one blind, and not at long distances (usually about 20-25′).  I find that 7 or 8X tippets make sense, as well as a challenge for a big fish. Hans

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I’m a lover of spring creek midge fishing.  While I’m doing well on my pupae, I still can’t find a dry pattern that will consistently (or even semi-regularly) fool the surface sippers..  The thing I’m looking for is a pattern that imitates  the midge during those few seconds that it sits dry on the surface, but is still attached to the shuck…apparently the moment of greatest vulnerability.  Both the midge and the shuck or on the surface (shuck may be in the film). Anyone had good luck with a pattern of this type?

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Out here in Colorado we use something called a Stuck-In -Shuck midge.  It’s a good slow-water fly on the South Platte where winter trout seem to sometimes prefer emerging midges over full adults. The dressing is simple.  The tail, or "shuck" is a few strands of brown antron, or Z-lon. the body is thread, or peacock.  A few strands of white antron, Z-lon, or poly are tied in at the butt, and pulled over the body. This should be a little on the loose side, creating a kind of bubble.  Some people put a couple wraps of grizzly hackle, trimmed top, and bottom in front for better floatation.  This fly should be dressed to let the fly float in the film. I don’t know who dreamt this fly up, but I think it’s a pretty good one! Chaz — Chaz Clover Fly Tier, Fly Design, Riverkeeper.

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Does anyone know a mail-order outfit (name, phone num) that carries the velco-tie style of felt-sole wading shoe?

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Does anyone know a mail-order outfit (name, phone num) that carries the velco-tie style of felt-sole wading shoe?

I got a velcro-cloe pair from Hook and Hackle (in NY) a couple of years ago.  They have held up just fine.  They have an 800 #, but its at home and I’m not….  They usually advertise in the fly fishing magazines…. Nat Davis Virginia Tech.

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ke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!usenet – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: dulcimer.ee.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-NUPop-Charset: English Does anyone know a mail-order outfit (name, phone num) that carries the velco-tie style of felt-sole wading shoe? I got a velcro-cloe pair from Hook and Hackle (in NY) a couple of years ago.  They have held up just fine.  They have an 800 #, but its at home and I’m not….  They usually advertise in the fly fishing magazines…. Nat Davis Virginia Tech.

The brand of velcro-ties I have is Pro-Line; they have held up for two seasons, and are great to have with cold, gloved hands. Mine are one size larger than my normal shoe size for the neoprenes. I bought mine at a store in Kalamazoo, but I have seen them in Bass Pro and other catalogs. Jim Johnson Michigan State University

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Does anyone know a mail-order outfit (name, phone num) that carries the velco-tie style of felt-sole wading shoe? I got a velcro-cloe pair from Hook and Hackle (in NY) a couple of years ago.  They have held up just fine.  They have an 800 #, but its at home and I’m not….  They usually advertise in the fly fishing magazines…. Nat Davis Virginia Tech.

Hook and Hackle’s number is 1-800-552-8342.  The shoes in question are made by Pro-Line and cost $32.25.  I bought Pro-Line’s 44mm neoprene stocking-foot waders from H&H for $65 and have been reasonably satisfied with the product. Hook and Hackle respond efficiently and have good prices. Peter Just

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