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I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. Does this make a person a redneck or something?

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On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >Does this make a person a redneck or something?

No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. lm

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"Don" <stry…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com… >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore.

I like it, but I haven’t been for years. I don’t live anywhere near any fishing place right now, well, there are some lakes but I don’t have a car. So I can’t go. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does this make a person a redneck or something?

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I broke down and got my fishing permit a couple months ago. I have been twice but didnt catch anything. I dont have the patience I use to. I could soak a hook for hours and not get bored. Now if I dont see some action in fifteen minutes I am ready to quit. -phy

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lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: > On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >>Does this make a person a redneck or something? > No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. > lm

MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion   {Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} "We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" "The truth about Packer’s Fans." "Go Packers!". — "It’s not a toy, it’s a real oven that bakes muffins, and it’s powered by Love." –Sea Lab 2021.

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:26:39 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<a…@at.org> wrote: >lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in >news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: >> On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >>>Does this make a person a redneck or something? >> No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. >> lm >MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion   >{Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} >"We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" >"The truth about Packer’s Fans." >"Go Packers!".

Do you extract these things from memory or from google? lm <pleasesaygooglepleasesaygoogle>

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phy <phy…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:Xns957255878F8FDphy00xyahoocom@216.168.3.44: > stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in > news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com: >> I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it >> anymore. >> Does this make a person a redneck or something? > I broke down and got my fishing permit a couple months ago. I have > been twice but didnt catch anything. I dont have the patience I use > to. I could soak a hook for hours and not get bored. Now if I dont see > some action in fifteen minutes I am ready to quit. > -phy

I lost patience when I was about 5 years of age.  Never looked back.  Also I noticed that cutting fish open is really gross–hard to believe how much dissection I’ve done. — "It’s not a toy, it’s a real oven that bakes muffins, and it’s powered by Love." –Sea Lab 2021.

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lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in news:4opil0dpmhnsmimdcksnpb97q0q7mpje20@4ax.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:26:39 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" > <a…@at.org> wrote: >>lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in >>news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: >>> On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>>>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it >>>>anymore. >>>>Does this make a person a redneck or something? >>> No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. >>> lm >>MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion   >>{Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} >>"We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" >>"The truth about Packer’s Fans." >>"Go Packers!". > Do you extract these things from memory or from google? > lm <pleasesaygooglepleasesaygoogle>

Memory, mostly.  If I think it’s funny, I can watch/listen to a comedy over & over, especially MST3K.  Have finally grown a bit tired of the Simpsons though.  But I’ve probably heard, if not actually watched the MST3K episode "Manos The Hands of Fate", oh, maybe 50 times.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:37:40 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<a…@at.org> wrote: >lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in >news:4opil0dpmhnsmimdcksnpb97q0q7mpje20@4ax.com: >> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:26:39 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" >> <a…@at.org> wrote: >>>lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in >>>news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: >>>> On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>>>>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it >>>>>anymore. >>>>>Does this make a person a redneck or something? >>>> No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. >>>> lm >>>MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion   >>>{Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} >>>"We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" >>>"The truth about Packer’s Fans." >>>"Go Packers!". >> Do you extract these things from memory or from google? >> lm <pleasesaygooglepleasesaygoogle> >Memory, mostly.  If I think it’s funny, I can watch/listen to a comedy over >& over, especially MST3K.  Have finally grown a bit tired of the Simpsons >though.  But I’ve probably heard, if not actually watched the MST3K episode >"Manos The Hands of Fate", oh, maybe 50 times.  

I heard the mst3k guys on npr the other day, doing a play-acting synopsis of Sky Captain and the blahblah. I don’t think their schtick works on radio so much. lm

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Don wrote: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

Do you live in a trailer park?

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"Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message <news:2rt6pbF1e23thU1@uni-berlin.de>… > "Don" <stry…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com… > >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > I like it, but I haven’t been for years. I don’t live anywhere near any > fishing place right now, well, there are some lakes but I don’t have a car. > So I can’t go. > > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I think it is relaxing but can be frustrating. If I get my chores doen this weekend I might go. What do you fish for in your area? I fish for small mouth bass.

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lm <lmandtheb…@mailandnews.com> wrote in message <news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com>… > On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: > >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > >Does this make a person a redneck or something? > No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. > lm

Deer season is almost an official holiday here.

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Don wrote: > I do but never get the chance.

No but I eat fish. Does that count? – Michaela

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JayCee <jc38…@nospamhere.com> wrote in message <news:41598A86.B0921F7A@nospamhere.com>… > Don wrote: > > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > > Does this make a person a redneck or something? > Do you live in a trailer park?

No, and my real name is not Billie Bob either!

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1 @posting.google.com: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I’ve been a couple of times this year to an overstocked pond.  Cast the bait, wait 30 seconds, reel in the catfish.  It’s what fishing was meant to be!

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> do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore.

I fish. Down here, it seems like everyone and their grandfather has a boat. People like to fish too much….this place is all fished out.

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 Fishing is for hubbies who want to get  away from the nagging wife for few hours. I’ll get into it if mine is a naggy.  :)

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"Don" <stry…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1a66b8fe.0409281105.ce258e7@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message > <news:2rt6pbF1e23thU1@uni-berlin.de>… >> "Don" <stry…@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com… >> >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >> I like it, but I haven’t been for years. I don’t live anywhere near any >> fishing place right now, well, there are some lakes but I don’t have a >> car. >> So I can’t go. >> > Does this make a person a redneck or something? > I think it is relaxing but can be frustrating. If I get my chores doen > this weekend I might go. > What do you fish for in your area? I fish for small mouth bass.

I dunno. Trout I think. — "Landslide for Bush/Howard 2004" – Proud right wing fascist NAZI Darkfalz

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in message <news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com>… > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore.

I like to fish. Can’t say that I have much luck at it. I’m like the cartoon character who casts his reel, feels a "bite", and then pulls out an old rubber boot. It seems like fishing is less popular now because the pace of life is too fast. Anything that requires much time and much patience has lost it’s appeal. I think most people just don’t have the free time to spend fishing. Unfortunately that’s true for me too. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

If it does, then I suppose I should start watching Hee Haw!

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dudenephx1…@aol.com (DudeNEPhx1971) wrote in message <news:20040929004933.27025.00001448@mb-m13.aol.com>… > Fishing is for hubbies who want to get  away from the nagging wife for few > hours.

Ditto for golf.

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On 29 Sep 2004 02:14:09 GMT, trance…@aol.com (Trance909) wrote: >> do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >I fish. Down here, it seems like everyone and their grandfather has a boat. >People like to fish too much….this place is all fished out.

Then why do you fish? lm

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Still off-topic. Don wrote: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it > anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I just watched "A Perfect Storm" and got to wondering about fishing for the umpteenth time. My partner, Mike’s in the fishing industry here in Cape Town and he and all his friends love fishing. They often go away for weekends just to fish. One of Mike’s friends used to fish for a living (he still goes out to sea for work for two weeks or so every couple of months) and he would come home after being away for a month or two and go straight off for a weekend of bass/fly-fishing (not even sure if that’s the same thing). (Actually, I think his passion for fishing is what kept most of his relationships going for as long as they did. He has a tendency to get too involved too quickly and as this can sometimes scare people off, his passion for fishing would often take the pressure off the girl/ relationship.) Anyway, the reason I’m responding here is because I am wondering what the allure of fishing is. I mean, I think I understand the whole solitude/quiet thing. But that’s not enough. What else is it about? Is it something about fighting/using nature? What? – Michaela

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The "real" answer would of course come from what kind of race would they run?  A sprint would of course favor the lighter/quicker boat. Unless of course I could get my mitts on that Champ.  Give me the same amount of money the guy spent on the Yamahammer and I could make that 203 leave him gagging on exhaust fumes from the start.  (Hello, Mr. Raypair?) Given the situation, I’d much rather prefer the 203 over the Skeet, tournament situations dictate performance over sometimes less than pristine conditions, and that 203 will leave the Skeet in rough water every time. But that’s what makes horse races fun to watch, right?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You would appreciate this, because the topic came up because a group of us were discussing two boats from our club that everyone recognizes as being real fliers.  Boat #1 is a Skeeter ZX190 with a modified Yamaha 150 and boat #2 is a Champion 203 with a Mercury 250. That Skeeter gets on plane so fast that it is absolutely an amazing site and is at top speed like "Right Now".  There isn’t a boat on the water in our area that can compete with that boats hole shot. That Champion gets up ok (like normal) but by the time it is up and moving that Skeeter is about a football field ahead.  Once the Champion gets moving watch out because that thing literally flys.  It is so fast that it closes that football field gap fairly quickly. These two have never raced, and probably never will (they are anglers not race car drivers).  The closest they have come to it is during tournaments when they are launched one after the other and they are running to the same area.    During launch there is a 10 second or more gap between boats.  So the debate has always been there.  But that Skeeter blows every 225 off the water regardless (skeeters, stratos, gamblers, bat cats, rangers, nitros, johnsons, yamahas, mercurys, evinrude, etc.).  I hate to see that Skeeter pull in to the launch when we are fishing certain lakes because I know this individual will be going to the same areas of the lake as I will be going (we have very similar fishing styles) because he will be there at least five minutes before me.  That big ole Champion is never going to be where I am because this individual fishes the skinniest water he can find looking Mr. Largemouth.  Where I focus more on Smallies when I know the smallie population has similar size.  If not, I go for the largemouth.  But I can tell you I watch both of these boats fly by me and from my observation that 250 merc Champion is the fastest once moving, but that Skeeter is the fastest in a mile or less distance.  But the Skeeter is a smaller lighter boat and so I wondered how these two would compare on the same boat, setup identically. — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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I would bet on the 250 for the hole shot and up to maybe 4000 RPM.  4-5000 would probably be a wash.  The tweeked 150 would probably get it’s extra horsepower via RPM and at top end, it wins.  Remember a horseposer is 550 pounds moved 1 foot in one second.  So It is a function of torque times RPM. The torque is greater on the bigger engine, but the RPM is lower for the same torque on a bigger engine. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just to be the devil’s advocate, I would have to say that this question is unanswerable. There are too many variables. Horsepower and weight alone don’t provide enough information. What about the power curve and torque output? But, if I was betting, I’d bet on the 150hp tuned to 250hp… — Citizen Fisherman If you took two identical 20 foot boats, found two drivers that weighed the same, but on boat #1 you mounted a 150 that was ported, polished, blueprinted and balanced so that it was generating 250hp and on boat #2 you mounted a stock 250 hp motor.  So both boats are identical in every aspect except for the engines.  Which boat would be faster out of hole?  0-60? and at the end of a 1 mile run? In my opinion, boat #1 with the modified 150 would be much faster in every category because even though they are both rated at 250 hp, the modified 150 would be operating at a much higher RPM and thus generating more power output where it counts, at the prop. There nothing big on the line, just a "Big O’, I TOLD YOU SO!" bragging rights. Craig — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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Craig, You would need a little more information bubba. It would depend on several factors before I could make a judgment. First, what 150 would you start with, and compared to what 250? Some 150’s lend themselves to modification better than others.  "Porting" and "Polishing" is a misleading term with a two stroke engine.  Example: a chrome bore Merc is really difficult to do much port work with, while a Yamaha does lend itself greatly to machine work. I’ve gotten close to 250 out of both Mercs and Yamahas, and they were two completely different motors in the way they ran.  Just judging them on bottom end acceleration from a dead stop, the Yamaha would have eaten the Merc alive, but the Merc would have caught it soon enough. What hull you put these motors on would again make a big difference, the cubic inches and power curve built into the stock ECU’s of the 250’s would probably lend themselves to a quicker hole shot, but again a hard call to make sitting here. Now, if it were me, and I had that "150" on a light 17′ boat which was rated for that 150, we’ve got something that works pretty well….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you took two identical 20 foot boats, found two drivers that weighed the same, but on boat #1 you mounted a 150 that was ported, polished, blueprinted and balanced so that it was generating 250hp and on boat #2 you mounted a stock 250 hp motor.  So both boats are identical in every aspect except for the engines.  Which boat would be faster out of hole?  0-60? and at the end of a 1 mile run? In my opinion, boat #1 with the modified 150 would be much faster in every category because even though they are both rated at 250 hp, the modified 150 would be operating at a much higher RPM and thus generating more power output where it counts, at the prop. There nothing big on the line, just a "Big O’, I TOLD YOU SO!" bragging rights. Craig — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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You would appreciate this, because the topic came up because a group of us were discussing two boats from our club that everyone recognizes as being real fliers.  Boat #1 is a Skeeter ZX190 with a modified Yamaha 150 and boat #2 is a Champion 203 with a Mercury 250. That Skeeter gets on plane so fast that it is absolutely an amazing site and is at top speed like "Right Now".  There isn’t a boat on the water in our area that can compete with that boats hole shot. That Champion gets up ok (like normal) but by the time it is up and moving that Skeeter is about a football field ahead.  Once the Champion gets moving watch out because that thing literally flys.  It is so fast that it closes that football field gap fairly quickly. These two have never raced, and probably never will (they are anglers not race car drivers).  The closest they have come to it is during tournaments when they are launched one after the other and they are running to the same area.    During launch there is a 10 second or more gap between boats.  So the debate has always been there.  But that Skeeter blows every 225 off the water regardless (skeeters, stratos, gamblers, bat cats, rangers, nitros, johnsons, yamahas, mercurys, evinrude, etc.).  I hate to see that Skeeter pull in to the launch when we are fishing certain lakes because I know this individual will be going to the same areas of the lake as I will be going (we have very similar fishing styles) because he will be there at least five minutes before me.  That big ole Champion is never going to be where I am because this individual fishes the skinniest water he can find looking Mr. Largemouth.  Where I focus more on Smallies when I know the smallie population has similar size.  If not, I go for the largemouth.  But I can tell you I watch both of these boats fly by me and from my observation that 250 merc Champion is the fastest once moving, but that Skeeter is the fastest in a mile or less distance.  But the Skeeter is a smaller lighter boat and so I wondered how these two would compare on the same boat, setup identically. — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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The hush project from Harley is the new V-Rod engine.  It went public this summer. — Bill Pentheny Adams Co. (Pa) Bassmasters Chesapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue www.cbrrescue.org

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Warren my man, Bass & Walleye had an article last year, and I will try and find it (month) about porting and polishing a 150 and with that alone it was pushing close to 225 hp., and they said with one more simple thing – and I can’t remember off the top of my head, it would be pushing 235 hp.  I was told that 300 hp wouldn’t be possible. But I was also told by this same mechanic that a 250 could be made to push 500 hp or more.  I won’t mention this gentleman’s name, but he was part of the Jeff Gordon’s Race Team and now is working on a hush project for Harley Davison and his brother is a member of this NG.  As I was told, if you can dream it, he can make it a reality (if you have enoough money!) — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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The stock boat would probably be stronger out of the hole. RichZ

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Somehow I missed that.  Had I seen it, I probably would have suggested castrating the bastard so as to prevent reproduction.  

I saw it as a naive and bumbling attempt at a better ‘qualified’ voter – similar to the junk most people heard/said as college freshmen – not as a sinister plot. FWIW — Charlie…

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Technically, I did say in a sense that

ignorant people should be denied a vote.<   So, you want to disenfranchise yourself?   You don’t need to disallow *all* ignorant people , just ’cause you don’t want to.   Harry who likes ending sentences with prepositions, even if it *does* disenfranchise him.

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I saw it as a naive and bumbling attempt at a better ‘qualified’ voter – similar to the junk most people heard/said as college freshmen – not as a sinister plot. FWIW

Thank you.  If certain people had half the intelligence they flatter themselves with, they’d understand that too. Regards, Jeff

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Virtually every English speaking person who knows what this word means associates it specifically with Hitler’s Weltenschauung,

I’m perfectly willing to believe that Wolfgang tried to tar you as Nazi, Jeff, but Weltanschauung is actually an innocuous German word that isn’t particularly associated with Hilter. I’d hate to see it become part of the eternally forbidden PC lexicon. Now get of Wolfgang’s back. He needs some Lebensraum. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I saw it as a naive and bumbling attempt

at a better ‘qualified’ voter – similar to the junk most people

heard/said as college freshmen – not as a sinister plot. FWIW

Thank you.  If certain people had half the intelligence they flatter themselves with, they’d understand that too.   Not a "sinister plot" just extraordinarily stupid thinking.  Well, OK, Jeff, apology accepted.

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Technically, I did say in a sense that ignorant people should be denied a vote.<   So, you want to disenfranchise yourself?   You don’t need to disallow *all* ignorant people , just ’cause you don’t want to.  

I realize this is just flamebait, but god help me I can’t help myself. It’s a bit presumptuous of you to assume that I don’t know who the candidates are, isn’t it?  I personally don’t vote straight ticket, so I don’t for offices for which I don’t know the candidates.  Having said that, I have voted for someone in the past without knowing who their opponent was, and I think it was wrong of me.  So if you must know, I disenfranchise myself sometimes now if I’m ignorant, yes. Regards, Jeff

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So Harry, you wanna suck my dick, eh?<

You should take your own advice.   I wanna cut it off.   Harry who thinks Forty’s problem is that he’s too polite

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My recent imbroglio with Jeff Connelly should serve as an example of what I am getting at.  Jeff’s suggestion that ignorant people by denied the right to vote (and that is EXACTLY what it was despite any later disclaimer) is as despicable as it is dangerous.

No freaking way. Don’t try to lead us to believe that the reason you responded to Jeff the way you did is somehow for the good of society or that you’re worried that he’s dangerous. While I don’t agree with Jeff’s brainstorming on the issue of voting requirements, we *already have* voting requirements (ie. you must register and you must be of a certain age) that serve as anti-ignorance measures. So you can’t possibly have gotten your panties in such a wad solely from what Jeff was postulating. If you want to flame the guy, harrass the guy, offend the guy, I say have at it. It’s your despicable right and if Jeff cannot ignore it then it becomes his problem as well. But if you continue to maintain that your reasons for flaming Jeff the way you did are purely in defense of ingorant voting then you’re being intellectually dishonest and you *know* it. Just admit that your motivation for responding to him is that his ROFF personality just plain bugs the crap out of you and leave it at that. Jeff’s ruminations on this forum might have been naive, but you are frankly ever more so naive if you think they were more than that. Finally, might I suggest that if you feel that another individual on this forum shows a suprising level of ignorance, the best response is to teach, counsel and advise NOT offend, cajole, or defame. Else you will not solve the problem. –Steve

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I don’t think problem solving is any part of the strategy here.< Can’t speak for WS but it sure ain’t part of mine.  More like insult and injury.

You don’t see any irony in that, Harry? –Steve

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Finally, might I suggest that if you feel that another individual on this forum shows a suprising level of ignorance, the best response is to teach, counsel and advise NOT offend, cajole, or defame. Else you will not solve the problem. I don’t think problem solving is any part of the strategy here. — Charlie…

I believe you’re right again, Charlie. But if someone sees what he perceives to be racism or ignorance and he doesn’t try to solve the problem (and no offense KenF and Wolfgang but I submit that very few people around here think you’re part of the solution) then he is arguably part of the problem. IMO, FWIW, EOT. –Steve

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I don’t think problem solving is any part of the strategy here.<

Can’t speak for WS but it sure ain’t part of mine.  More like insult and injury.

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Finally, might I suggest that if you feel that another individual on this forum shows a suprising level of ignorance, the best response is to teach, counsel and advise NOT offend, cajole, or defame. Else you will not solve the problem.

I don’t think problem solving is any part of the strategy here. — Charlie…

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Most of the people in this group seemed

willing enough to simply ignore this proposition, presumably for a variety of reasons.< Somehow I missed that.  Had I seen it, I probably would have suggested castrating the bastard so as to prevent reproduction.   Harry who never liked fascists of any stripe

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My recent imbroglio with Jeff Connelly should serve as an example of what I am getting at.  Jeff’s suggestion that ignorant people by denied the right to vote (and that is EXACTLY what it was despite any later disclaimer) is as despicable as it is dangerous.

There was no disclaimer of *that*.  If that is what you had said the very first time, everything would be fine.  Technically, I did say in a sense that ignorant people should be denied a vote.  Even so, that is clearly not in the spirit of what I said though.  I said people should know who they’re voting for and should be aware of the options from which they’re choosing.  It has nothing to do with ignorance in general, as you purposely try to make it sound.  This is the gist of my idea, and any other minor comments (such as people need to know the issues) were said with little seriousness, such as when a number of people were making comments like "I wish stupid people wouldn’t vote!". You said I wanted to take away the right of people to vote for *who* they wanted.  A lie.  You said I wanted to take away the right of people to vote for whatever *reasons* they wanted.  A lie.  You said I was a Nazi.  A lie.  You used innuendo by using the word Weltanschauung.  Virtually every English speaking person who knows what this word means associates it specifically with Hitler’s Weltenschauung, and that Hitler’s Weltanschauung includes anti-Semitism, facts that you are very well aware of.  You used innuendo by using the term Zyklon B and said I wanted to use it "until it was all gone." Everyone knows that a reference to Zyklon B means killing Jews and others in Nazi death camps, and invokes the holocaust.  Then you said "Innuendo? I was being blunt" (close if not exact quote), implying that you did indeed mean I was anti-Semitic and/or that I proposed the mass killing of groups of people. Then you said "Anti-Semitic?  Why don’t you READ?"  What you did is careless and irresponsible in the extreme (if not illegal), dishonest, and mean (not to mention insensitive and in extremely poor taste).  If what I wrote is despicable, what you wrote is indescribable. Most of the people in this group seemed willing enough to simply ignore this proposition, presumably for a variety of reasons.  Indifference is one thing which comes readily to mind.  Some may agree with him.  I suspect, though, that a lot of people, whatever their feelings on the matter he proposed, would simply rather avoid any further off topic unpleasantness on a news group they feel should be dedicated solely to fly fishing.

Actually the topic ended fine when I said it was an unpractical idea that wouldn’t work and wouldn’t be accepted anyway, and I was just dreaming.  The final word on the subject was "Dream on", and the thread was over. Anyway, based on what you wrote here, now you should understand why a lot of people other than me put up with you being such an asshole. Regards, Jeff

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It’s a bit presumptuous of you to assume

that I don’t know who the candidates are, isn’t it?  I personally don’t vote straight ticket….< So it’s them ignorant straight ticket voters that you want to deny, eh?  You should have quit while you were ahead, Jeffie. Every time you open your mouth, you stick your dick in it.

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It’s a bit presumptuous of you to assume that I don’t know who the candidates are, isn’t it?  I personally don’t vote straight ticket….< So it’s them ignorant straight ticket voters that you want to deny, eh?  You should have quit while you were ahead, Jeffie. Every time you open your mouth, you stick your dick in it.

For Chrissakes Harry, if you’re not going to read what was written why are you continuing this nonsense?  If you say in public I said something I didn’t, I’ll stay here and defend it.  Either go back and read the entire thread on it or just stay out of it. Makes about as much sense as this: Every time you open your mouth, you stick your dick in it.

So Harry, you wanna suck my dick, eh? No I don’t want to deny straight ticket voters.  Stop baiting me already and let it die, you came in the conversation too late. Regards, Jeff

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I’m perfectly willing to believe that Wolfgang tried to tar you as Nazi….  

Isn’t "fascist" a little more all inclusive?   Nazi is a little too tied to a particular time and place.  C’mon Wolfgang, get smart (!) or we’ll have to cancel your voting privileges.  <g

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This is honestly a sincere question to Ken F. and Wolfgang.

I see there are a few new posts on this thread since my first response last night.  I have refrained from reading any of them until I finish answering your question Willi. The relative anonymity provided by usenet makes it possible for people to craft a persona which may or may not correspond closely with what they project in face to face encounters.  As in any other endeavor competence in doing this deliberately varies considerably from one individual to another.  Needless to say, many will try to make themselves into something that they cannot, for one reason or another, be in the real world.  Presumably, some will enjoy great success at this while others, obviously, fail miserably.  Nothing can be done about the former (assuming that one would wish to) and nothing need by done about the latter.  Most fall somewhere between the two extremes.  I maintain that in many cases there is ample reason to want to do something to expose such a facade for what it is, and to deal bluntly  with the perpetrators just as one would (or at least SHOULD) with more blatant wholesalers of offense. My recent imbroglio with Jeff Connelly should serve as an example of what I am getting at.  Jeff’s suggestion that ignorant people by denied the right to vote (and that is EXACTLY what it was despite any later disclaimer) is as despicable as it is dangerous.  Most of the people in this group seemed willing enough to simply ignore this proposition, presumably for a variety of reasons.  Indifference is one thing which comes readily to mind.  Some may agree with him.  I suspect, though, that a lot of people, whatever their feelings on the matter he proposed, would simply rather avoid any further off topic unpleasantness on a news group they feel should be dedicated solely to fly fishing.  To me, this looks suspiciously like a willingness to allow people to do whatever they please out in the real world so long as they refrain from stirring things up in here; a very ass backward approach to life in my opinion. If it comes to choosing between maintaining tranquility in ROFF while allowing the larger world to go to hell, and raising hell here in the (perhaps vain) hope of making the real world a better place, I will go for the latter every time.  In my estimation, and apparently quite a few agree, this sets me in direct opposition to a great many of the people who come here with another agenda, and as has been pointed out, this seems to make me something of an asshole by definition.  So be it.  Any time I expressly take on that title, it may be taken as an indication that I perceive a line drawn in the sand and am willing (at least) to cross it. I realize of course that any criticism of others, explicit or implicit, in any of the above can easily be turned back on me and welcome (gleefully) any effort to do so, for the obvious reason. Hope this answers your question Willi.  If not, I’d be happy to continue either here or in private correspondence, as you choose. Wolfgang

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I plead guilty to arrogance. Do you believe it’s a personality trait, or is it just laziness?  I often think those who come off as arrogant do so because they’re too lazy to put in a real effort at being human.

So, does this make me something less than human or am I simply misreading a rather arrogant and insulting  statement? Typically, I am nowhere near as ornery in face to face confrontations as I am here in cyberspace, ..and that’s the sad part, IMHO.. I try hard to never say something here that I wouldn’t say face to face.. I think it’s an admirable goal, even if we don’t succeed.

I believe the notion that the dynamics of face to face encounters could or should equal those of written text based exchanges is rather simplistic.  If universally held, it would at the very least deprive us of much of the best work of Swift, Twain, Mencken, Parker, Voltaire, Bierce, Johnson, Paine, Shakespeare, and a host of others. I really don’t think it’s that hard to be civil here.

Agreed.

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I plead guilty to arrogance.

Do you believe it’s a personality trait, or is it just laziness?  I often think those who come off as arrogant do so because they’re too lazy to put in a real effort at being human. Typically, I am nowhere near as ornery in face to face confrontations as I am here in cyberspace,

..and that’s the sad part, IMHO.. I try hard to never say something here that I wouldn’t say face to face.. I think it’s an admirable goal, even if we don’t succeed. I really don’t think it’s that hard to be civil here.

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There’s always the chance that some smartass amateur psychologist will insist on sticking his opinion in where it wasn’t asked for.

You just never know… — Charlie…

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Everybody is an asshole sometimes. I know I am more often than I like. This is honestly a sincere question to Ken F. and Wolfgang. Both you guys frequently use the term  "I am an asshole…"    as, it seems to me, a reason/excuse for behavior.  It seems to me that you both wave the label around with pride like it was the Congressional Medal of Honor or something.  I’m unaware of anyone else in this group, or anyone else I know in "real" life, that uses this phrase the way you two do. Am I off base? What are you trying to convey when you do this?

Well, speaking only for myself, mind you, I am aware of the common (but evidently not universal) perception that I am an unpleasant person by nature.  Quite a few people have pointed this out in this newsgroup using the term asshole or any of a number of close analogs.  This causes me neither shame nor pride.  It’s just another fact of life.  In fact, I am quite capable of being abrasive and I plead guilty to arrogance. Typically, I am nowhere near as ornery in face to face confrontations as I am here in cyberspace, but that is largely due to the fact that I rarely find myself facing someone who feels comfortable saying the outrageous and often phenomenally stupid shit that so regularly shows up here.  Contrary to what you have suggested, it is not because I am afraid of getting punched in the nose.  You see Willi, that’s something of a double edged sword….cuts both ways, you know? Anyone who has been here for more than a couple of weeks knows that I can be civil, and I flatter myself that I can hold my own in a reasonable discussion on virtually any issue.  We all have a certain threshold level of tolerance for inanity, bullshit, specious arguments, and other impedimenta.  I’ve got a very low threshold.  I am also prone to speaking my mind.  Sometimes, I opt for subtlety, but more often than not I tend to go for the jugular.  That’s the way it is in competitive events.  And anyone who denies the competitive aspect of what goes on in here is either blind or lying.  To be sure, it’s not all a competition, but there is enough of it to warrant mention. There’s more, but Becky just informed me that I MUST get showered up in preparation for a little wine tasting we’re hosting tonight.  Evidently there are a few people willing to at least pretend to like me for a couple of hours.  Rest assured that I’ll be back to complete this little dissertation some time before the end of the weekend.  You see Willi, I wouldn’t dream of failing to answer YOUR questions.    :) Wolfgang TTFN

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Everybody is an asshole sometimes. I know I am more often than I like. This is honestly a sincere question to Ken F. and Wolfgang. Both you guys frequently use the term  "I am an asshole…"    as, it seems to me, a reason/excuse for behavior.  It seems to me that you both wave the label around with pride like it was the Congressional Medal of Honor or something.  I’m unaware of anyone else in this group, or anyone else I know in "real" life, that uses this phrase the way you two do. Am I off base? What are you trying to convey when you do this? Willi

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What are you trying to convey when you do this?

Not sure if it applies in the current situation, but I have seen people in the past behave this way when they were feeling (as many of us do on occasion) irrelevant. FWIW — Charlie…

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… This is honestly a sincere question to Ken F. …

Not a good idea to honestly pose a sincere question to a person on a Usenet newsgroup. There’s always the chance that some smartass amateur psychologist will insist on sticking his opinion in where it wasn’t asked for. The short answer has to do with picking your enemies and taking a sort of pride in being detestable to those whom you detest. The long answer is best delivered over beer after a day astream. — Ken Fortenberry

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I didn’t see your original post so I don’tknow what your original questions were but I am pretty sure I can help you. — Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com Guided flyfishing on the Roanoke River and the Crystal Coast of NC out of Atlantic Beach/Morhead City/Beaufort.

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THanks for the reply. My wife and I are coming to Harkers Island in late October for 2 days of Albie fishing with Sarah Gardner. We plan to come a day early and spend a day seeing the sights, fishing from shore, visiting tackle shops, etc. My question was asking about places to fish, sights to see, and generally what to do in the area. We have a 4×4. Any info will be terrific! Peter G. Aitken I didn’t see your original post so I don’tknow what your original questions were but I am pretty sure I can help you. — Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com Guided flyfishing on the Roanoke River and the Crystal Coast of NC out of

Atlantic Beach/Morhead City/Beaufort.

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Thanks so much, Tony. We are heading down on Oct 23 so we still have time to plan. Any other info you can send will be terrific. Peter

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter, I go to Harker’s Island every November for the ‘albert fishing and can offer some suggestions. 1. Places to eat: I always try the locally owned establishments. The Crab’s Claw and Sanitary Fish Market immediately come to mind. 2. All of the Core Banks is open to 4 wheel drive traffic, though you will have take one of the private commerical ferries over. I believe it cost me $120 for the vehicle and 2 people (round trip). Also there are a couple of services that will take you via boat to Core Banks (and I believe Shackleford Banks, wild horses on this one), for a small fee, maybe $25 or so. I know that one operates out of Harkers Island Marina.  This would allow you to walk the beaches, fish and  then be picked up in the afternoon. And I think the Park Service may operate one as well. I would also suggest you contact the guide or charter service you will be using, I’m sure they can provide you all of the information you need. I may be able to locate some of the info I originally dug up a few years ago when I started going there, if so I’ll let you know. Tony Minnick

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My wife and I will be doing a couple of days of charter fishing at Harker’s Island in late October. We have never been there and have some questions. 1. Recommendations on places to stay – or to avoid. 2. Restaurants. 3. We are considering going a day early to see the sights and do some from-the-shore fishing. What possibilities exist for this kind of fishing (either fly or surf casting)? Are there beaches that are open to trucks? Any and all information welcomed. THanks, Peter G. Aitken

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Check with Gordon Churchill at  http://www.flyfish-nc.com. Tom — Tom Brown Wake Forest, NC When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command.  Very often, that person is crazy.                                    …..Dave Barry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I will be doing a couple of days of charter fishing at Harker’s Island in late October. We have never been there and have some questions. 1. Recommendations on places to stay – or to avoid. 2. Restaurants. 3. We are considering going a day early to see the sights and do some from-the-shore fishing. What possibilities exist for this kind of fishing (either fly or surf casting)? Are there beaches that are open to trucks? Any and all information welcomed. THanks, Peter G. Aitken

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Peter, I go to Harker’s Island every November for the ‘albert fishing and can offer some suggestions. 1. Places to eat: I always try the locally owned establishments. The Crab’s Claw and Sanitary Fish Market immediately come to mind. 2. All of the Core Banks is open to 4 wheel drive traffic, though you will have take one of the private commerical ferries over. I believe it cost me $120 for the vehicle and 2 people (round trip). Also there are a couple of services that will take you via boat to Core Banks (and I believe Shackleford Banks, wild horses on this one), for a small fee, maybe $25 or so. I know that one operates out of Harkers Island Marina.  This would allow you to walk the beaches,  fish and  then be picked up in the afternoon. And I think the Park Service may operate one as well. I would also suggest you contact the guide or charter service you will be using, I’m sure they can provide you all of the information you need. I may be able to locate some of the info I originally dug up a few years ago when I started going there, if so I’ll let you know. Tony Minnick

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Gee — camouflage suspenders — sounds like the perfect addition to my fishing wardrobe — I knew something was missing…

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I know what should be missing…….this thread from the —  The RodMaker(aka)  The Shadow……hehehe

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After carefully weighing all the evidence, and hours of heart wrenching deliberation, I have come to the conclusion, that Walt just tripped over his "tackle" and was too modest/ashamed/proud/disgusted/afraid of incredulity, to admit it. TL MC

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After carefully weighing all the evidence, and hours of heart wrenching deliberation, I have come to the conclusion, that Walt just tripped over his "tackle" and was too modest/ashamed/proud/disgusted/afraid of incredulity, to admit it. TL MC

jeez mike…don’t encourage ‘em. waldo the anaconda — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This reminded me of an extremely puerile school rhyme I heard a long time ago, I don’t know who wrote it.  It is short, in contrast to it

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 Hell no the war ain’t over. I’m with Wayno on this one. To all the smug yankees who think they defeated the South, may I remind you who presently runs your country (smirk, smirk).

Hillary was born in upstate New Yawk, wasn’t she?  :-) We Canucks of English descent (who defeated the French on the Plains of Abraham in 1800 and something, Canadian history-really boring) are in the same predicament, as we have a Franco-canadian running our country. (unsmirk, unsmirk)

Geez, Steve – even I, as nearly non-Canuck-history-aware as it’s possible to be, know that the French lost "New France" to the British during the Seven Year’s War sometime around 1760 or so.  (I seem to recall that George Washington fought on the British side, so I’m pretty sure that this was before the colonies told Fat Georgie to make like the wind and blow . Why do we always apologize for winning?

Because it’s the polite thing to do. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Steve Cooper: << Hell no the war ain’t over. I’m with Wayno on this one. To all the smug yankees who think they defeated the South, may I remind you who presently runs your country (smirk, smirk). Yeah, a lying, draft-dodging coward, who can’t keep his dick where it belongs. Dave LaCourse

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As a canuck too I think the real problems started when that damn frenchman came from france ans said aloud "Vive La Quebec Libre"….basically telling them they had the support of the French Nation…..In reality as a person who lived in europe for some time I can tell ya that the Fenrch look on the Quebecers as bastard childer and rednecks. As a final thought I say we give them all a shovel and they can dig the friggin’ place off the map for all I care. My .02+ cents Andrew Save the flames I don’t care either way

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As a canuck too…

Ummm…just a point of clarification.  I’m not Canadian, having been born just south of Lake Erie, which explains why I know next to nothing about Canadian history.  However, some of my ancestors reportedly did live in Canada for a while before heading south…  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Wayne Harrison wrote FiddleAway wrote Wayne Harrison scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double … I wonder how a bunch of smart guys like that lost the war     war ain’t over yet, yank:) wayno the undefeated

Being a second generation southern californian, I’m not sure I qualify for Yankee status (by the way, I hate the Yankees…especially this year…but that’s another story).  Though I wouldn’t be surprised if being from the West Coast puts me even lower on the Cracker Scale than a yankee. (However, 2 generations back my people are from Arkansas, so at least I have a little of that high IQ genetic material in my background). —                                                       -dnc- BTW – you can start a new war if you want to wayno, but I assure you that the first one did end on the day ol’ Bob E handed in his sword.

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 Hell no the war ain’t over. I’m with Wayno on this one. To all the smug yankees who think they defeated the South, may I remind you who presently runs your country (smirk, smirk). Hillary was born in upstate New Yawk, wasn’t she?  :-)

You are correct. In my naiivete, I thought it was Wee Willy that runs the country, but your analysis is more accurate We Canucks of English descent (who defeated the French on the Plains of Abraham in 1800 and something, Canadian history-really boring) are in the same predicament, as we have a Franco-canadian running our country. (unsmirk, unsmirk) Geez, Steve – even I, as nearly non-Canuck-history-aware as it’s possible to be, know that the French lost "New France" to the British during the Seven Year’s War sometime around 1760 or so.  (I seem to recall that George Washington fought on the British side, so I’m pretty sure that this was before the colonies told Fat Georgie to make like the wind and blow .

That was the first time the Francos and Anglos did battle on N.A. soil. The fight for Canada happened much later, after the U.S./British thing was pretty much settled (but before the North/South disagreements).This all happened when Louis Riel rallied the French and the Metis for independence from the Brits in Canada. They all gathered to yell insults at General Wolfe et al on the Plains of Abraham, but I don’t remember the exact date. Yes its true, we Canadians actually had our own war that involved no one but ourselves. For such an apathetic bunch, we musta been really pissed to start fightin’ amongst ourselves about it! Why do we always apologize for winning? Because it’s the polite thing to do.

But we never seem to get anything resolved Stevo "I’m really PISSED about being so apathetic..well not really pissed, just abit mad…. well actually only a little upset…well actually it doesn’t really bother me that much …well actually I don’t really care…"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We Canucks of English descent (who defeated the French on the Plains of Abraham in 1800 and something, Canadian history-really boring) are in the same predicament, as we have a Franco-canadian running our country. (unsmirk, unsmirk) Geez, Steve – even I, as nearly non-Canuck-history-aware as it’s possible to be, know that the French lost "New France" to the British during the Seven Year’s War sometime around 1760 or so.  (I seem to recall that George Washington fought on the British side, so I’m pretty sure that this was before the colonies told Fat Georgie to make like the wind and blow . That was the first time the Francos and Anglos did battle on N.A. soil. The fight for Canada happened much later, after the U.S./British thing was pretty much settled (but before the North/South disagreements).This all happened when Louis Riel rallied the French and the Metis for independence from the Brits in Canada. They all gathered to yell insults at General Wolfe et al on the Plains of Abraham, but I don’t remember the exact date.

that was in 1970 after crowds of angry francophone snowmen pelted then Prime Minister Trudeau with bottles of screech during the annual Quebec City Winterfest riot – this happens every year on the Quebecois National fete (holiday) named after the dead French monk St Jean De Batiste. BTW the Plains of Abraham were named after Abraham Lincoln following his assination. We always loved Lincoln as it was thanks to his heroic actions emmigration of US residents to Canada dropped dramatically. We were so happy following that event we formed the country named the plains had a battle with the Grand Armee of Napoleon the First and confederated the country all in one drunken melee. We’ve all been hung over since that great day. Canadian Politics give me such a head ache! Vive La Canada! Ralph H (always on topic) remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet

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Ralph H wrote [snip]…   …Canadian Politics give me such a head ache!

Beats the politics of your southern neighbors (at least currently), eh? —                                                       -dnc-

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I am 57 years old and lived in New England for the past five years after moving from so. Calif.  I go fly fishing each year  to Maine or Rhode Island and I haven’t caught anything yet.  The problem is because I insist on using flys I’ve tied myself.  It’s very sporting that way.  I used to catch fish in Calif. but nothing in Maine or R.I. I guess the fish are smarter out here.

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I am 57 years old and lived in New England for the past five years after moving from so. Calif.  I go fly fishing each year  to Maine or Rhode Island and I haven’t caught anything yet.  The problem is because I insist on using flys I’ve tied myself.  It’s very sporting that way.  I used to catch fish in Calif. but nothing in Maine or R.I. I guess the fish are smarter out here.

        scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.           i can’t help it if i’m lucky…(yeah, i know, bob dylan said it first)         wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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   i can’t help it if i’m lucky…(yeah, i know, bob dylan said it first)    wayno

That song always makes me think of my first wife<g. — Charlie…

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        scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.         i can’t help it if i’m lucky…(yeah, i know, bob dylan said it first)         wayno

Um, doesn’t the chosen location of the fisherman provide a fairly dramatic refutation of at least part of your assertion?  ;-) From the fellow living in God’s country. ATB — Andrew Brunette

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        scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.         i can’t help it if i’m lucky…(yeah, i know, bob dylan said it first)         wayno

        (strategic snip) From the fellow living in God’s country. ATB — Andrew Brunette

        hell, andrew, i didn’t know you lived in rowan county!  just outside granite quarry, maybe? wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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        scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.

Well, let’s see…I live east of the river and work west of it. In an effort to maximize my intellectual capacity I think I’ll stay home today… Scot

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom. Well, let’s see…I live east of the river and work west of it. In an effort to maximize my intellectual capacity I think I’ll stay home today… Scot

    ah, yet another testimonial to the impeccable accuracy of my intial post.     wayno the smug

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Wayne Harrison scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.     wayno the smug

I wonder how a bunch of smart guys like that lost the war —                                                       -dnc-

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I wonder how a bunch of smart guys like that lost the war —                                                     -dnc-

 Ever see "The Mouse That Roared"?  The US is known to spend millions upon millions in countries they defeat in war.  Just note how those dumb, ignorant Southerners in Arkansas Spring Arkansas sold WATER to those BRILLIANT Yankees! It also worked in Warm Springs Va., Hot Springs Va., Sarasota Fla., even Miami Beach! Wayne Hart to fish is human…to release divine

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Wayne Harrison scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.     wayno the smug I wonder how a bunch of smart guys like that lost the war —                                                      -dnc-

    war ain’t over yet, yank:) wayno the undefeated – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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    war ain’t over yet, yank:) wayno the undefeated

  Hell no the war ain’t over. I’m with Wayno on this one. To all the smug yankees who think they defeated the South, may I remind you who presently runs your country (smirk, smirk). We Canucks of English descent (who defeated the French on the Plains of Abraham in 1800 and something, Canadian history-really boring) are in the same predicament, as we have a Franco-canadian running our country. (unsmirk, unsmirk) Why do we always apologize for winning? Stevo the unsmug

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Red wigglers make great bait!  I’m selling red wiggler worms, for low

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Red wigglers make great bait!  I’m selling red wiggler worms, for low

You are really opening yourself up for a ton of abuse by putting  that on the flyfishing newsgroups — Gordon Churchill Flyfish NC http://www.planet-nc.com/flyfishnc/ hybrids on Jordan Lake, Striped Bass on Roanoke River Surface action on Largemouth bass in Harris Lake.

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I agree they are great. Especially when tied with beads and a tail so they look like a Bloodworm of the Tendipes familia which is what they are usually mistaken by trout. The San Juan Worm patterns do this ncely as well, are more durable and stink a whole lot less when you forget them in the car  . . . . . . — Bob Sheedy Angling Adventures North Lake Fly Fishing On-Line Magazine Home of MASTER ANGLER Fishing Software http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm

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Hi everybody Unfortunately I broke the tip of my (about 12 to 15 year old) Shakespeare fly fishing rod (a President carbon rod, 9 foot). Does anybody know the adress of Shakespeare so I can ask them for a replacement tip? Any hints are welcome!!! Chris

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Hi everybody Unfortunately I broke the tip of my (about 12 to 15 year old) Shakespeare fly fishing rod (a President carbon rod, 9 foot). Does anybody know the adress of Shakespeare so I can ask them for a replacement tip? Any hints are welcome!!! Chris

Chris, Here is the u.k. address of Shakespeare Shakespeare Company Ltd P.O. Box 1 Broad Ground Road Lakeside Reddich Worcs  B98 8NQ England Hope this helps — john buchanan

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What do you folks out there make of this: A couple of weeks ago I went fishing on a blue ribbon stream that is notoriously difficult to catch fish on. On said stream there are two productive holes that are about 50 yards apart.  On different occasions I have caught fish out of either hole but never very many, although some were good sized.  The last time I went there I was in the upper hole and another guy was in the lower. I looked down and saw him catching huge fish on almost every cast. Now I am a pretty good fishman and have a good idea about what I’m doing but I wasn’t even gettting any bites.  Finally I got frustrated watching this guy catch fish after fish so I went and asked him what he was using.  He told me and I tied an identical fly and setup on my line. I didn’t get even a bit the rest of the day.  I was so pissed at myself that I just about threw my pole in the water.  Has anybody else had something like this happen?  

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: What do you folks out there make of this: : I didn’t get even a bit the rest of the day.  I was so pissed at : myself that I just about threw my pole in the water.  Has anybody else : had something like this happen?   Was it a good pole?  Where is this hole? Seriously, though, I beleive that the action you give the fly is far more important than the pattern.  I’m beginning to believe that this is even truer for wet flies and nymphs than for drys.  What were you using? — Laboratory for Applied Logic    Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho             www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster

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