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Uh…Dave? Better get another "moniker" Dave M is already taken–by me   The real Dave M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have a look at http://www.ratfish.com/usual   According to Fran Betters who developed the USUAL it should be fished out as a dry and retreived as a wet using short but rapid retrieve. Red or orange thred must be used and keep the dubbing sparse. Good luck Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L Rob, as you’ve noticed, its a good technique.  I use a fly called "the Usual" specifically for this.  It is a great dry fly, but it becomes an instant emerger when allowed to swing in the current.  The next cast, again dry then emerger.  I can double my chances of catching fish in this way ’cause I’m fishing two parts of the water column vice one.          Frank Reid Frank,  do you have a link to "the usual" tying pattern? I’m not savvy enough w/google to narrow down the search… I accidentally stumbled into the same technique with an EHC on the Delaware last week…worked great. — Rob S.

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did the trout do this after a long drift by the dry, or (almost) immediately after the fly hit the water?  I would guess the latter, because that initial disturbance gets transmitted quite a long distance, and if the fish is keyed on that, then they will chase…

It was a fairly long drift. It was not as I placed the fly on the water. Tight lines, Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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thanks!  nice description of patterns… Rob –please remuv the ‘NOWAY2it’ from my email addy to email me–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A trout can be drawn to a nymph, however a dry fly must pass overhead of the trout in order to be seen. Negative. I’ve had a Brown trout come from 6+ feet downstream (about like the Nautilus in Disney’s classic "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea") to intercept a dry fly (parachute hopper). Looked like a dad gum freight train! Granted, that ain’t the normal way of the trout but it did it….. in front of witnesses, too. We were fishing from a boat. Tight lines, Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

did the trout do this after a long drift by the dry, or (almost) immediately after the fly hit the water?  I would guess the latter, because that initial disturbance gets transmitted quite a long distance, and if the fish is keyed on that, then they will chase… Just curious… — Rob

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A trout can be drawn to a nymph, however a dry fly must pass overhead of the trout in order to be seen. Negative. I’ve had a Brown trout come from 6+ feet downstream (about like the Nautilus in Disney’s classic "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea") to intercept a dry fly (parachute hopper). Looked like a dad gum freight train! Granted, that ain’t the normal way of the trout but it did it….. in front of witnesses, too. We were fishing from a boat.

There are exceptions to most rules, and I too have found that now and then a trout will hunt down a floating dun or sedge;  it is generally the surface disturbance that alerts the trout to the remote  insect’s presence, and that is why we drag our sedges to provoke a response ~ the induced take.  You mention a parachute hopper; this fly is much more visible to a trout than a regular dry fly ~ parachuted flies have a greater portion of fly that is fished subsurface than that of standard hackled dries. During the E. danica hatch, it is surprising how many duns manage to inadvertantly evade a trout when the nymphal shuck  has just been removed. The trout usually go for the shuck in a violent rise, and the floating dun is left to make his leisurely escape.  I assume that  the trout saw the shuck a lot more clearly than the floating dun (as the shuck is subsurface), and went for that instead of the real bit of ephemeral protein. However,  given that the floating natural fly is apt to make good his airborne escape, the trout are thus less inclined to waste a journey to a morcel that may escape his jaws.  With a nymph such as the PT (which imitates the nymph in the later instars as opposed to a nymph in its hatching to dun phase) the trout knows that he has plenty of time to chase down and eat the hapless nymph:  the snack is more or less guaranteed (unless another trout gets to the nymph first)  and the journey after it is well worth it indeed.   That is why when fishing deep nymphs such as the PT, the takes are a lot less violent and there is very little water disturbance (boils & bulges) to alert the angler.  This is where the bite indicator, or my  preferred  greased leader comes into its own. The trout don’t really need to rush to the nymph, they merely cruise it down. I find that trout are more inclined to hunt the PT nymph down over the GRHE / rabbit fur nymph.  I reckon that this is due to the trout believing that the GRHE nymph is soon to hatch out and fly off, and so he is more cautious with distance  ,  but at closer distances the trout fairly whallops the GRHE, seemingly in great haste to secure his meal.  The hook holds of the two flies also seem to bear this theory out too,  as the PT is an apex of the jaw snagger, whereas the GRHE is a scissor snagger much like that of a dry fly.  I spy rises to my GRHEs by the disturbances in the water, or the golden flash as the trout rapidly turns after seizing the fly.  In reflected light and in  turbulent water, I use the greased leader to detect bites with the GRHE / rabbit fur nymph, as the other methods are more difficult to practice in these situations.  Obviously,  when the fly is less than 12 " deep,  the surface splash of the diving trout is enough to know when to lift the rod or pull in the line to set the hook. (for utter butchery on a stream you can use an E. danica nymph,  but the fun of using it is more or less inversely proportional to the number of fish that you catch whilst using it in late May) Regards, Michael.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This isn’t correct. The dryfly floating outside of the trout’s window will still indent the surface film and make an impression in the "mirrored" part of the trout’s field of view. Trout do recognise that food items do this and it is one of the most important factors to be considered when designing/tying dryflies. This is often what the trout will come to and then either take or refuse once the fly is in full view. The field of view for a trout to detect a nymph or a dryfly is virtually the same. I have had trout come over 12 feet for large terrestrials. It is also depth dependant in that the deeper the fish lies the larger its window of full view.

You are correct in the depth enlarging the window issue,  but I am am right in saying that the sunk fly is *vastly* more visible than the floating fly. I have done a lot of diving and snorkelling and have seen this effect for myself.

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Brian Nelson writes: Negative. I’ve had a Brown trout come from 6+ feet downstream (about like the Nautilus in Disney’s classic "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea") to intercept a dry fly (parachute hopper). Looked like a dad gum freight train! Granted, that ain’t the normal way of the trout but it did it….. in front of witnesses, too. We were fishing from a boat. Tight lines, Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

I’ve seen the same thing happen with Landlocked Salmon and Brookies.  I’ve had a Brookie swim forward three or so feet to take a size 20 Jail Bird floating midge. Dave

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This isn’t correct. The dryfly floating outside of the trout’s window will still indent the surface film and make an impression in the "mirrored" part of the trout’s field of view. Trout do recognise that food items do this and it is one of the most important factors to be considered when designing/tying dryflies. This is often what the trout will come to and then either take or refuse once the fly is in full view. The field of view for a trout to detect a nymph or a dryfly is virtually the same. I have had trout come over 12 feet for large terrestrials. It is also depth dependant in that the deeper the fish lies the larger its window of full view. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rob L writes: (snip) Normally I have had fish take the dries on the surface, not underneath. Any thoughts? This is a common occurence with land locked salmon.  After the drag free drift, the fly is left to swing down and around, then stripped back slowly. They will hit it on the swing (it’s moving pretty quickly), or on the retrieve. While fishing on a river in Maine from a boat, my grandson caught fish after fish on a Goddard Caddis dragged in the current.  Since I was netting his fish, I didn’t fish much.  <G I have also seen brook trout take a fly like this.  An emerger?  Bait fish struggling? The subsurface fly is a lot more visible to the trout than one floating on the surface.  With a dry fly, the trout’s window of observation is very limited due to the reflective nature of the surface of the water (it works both sides of the water too, and just as we see sky and so on reflected off the surface, the trout & other fish see reflected riverbed at angles beyond the refraction / reflection limit).  This aspect of visibility to the trout is one reason why I really like to use the nymph over the dry fly in a lot of places. A trout can be drawn to a nymph, however a dry fly must pass overhead of the trout in order to be seen.  Parachute flies and Klinkhamers do manage to be seen better than most dryflies though,  and that is because part of the fly has managed to penetrate the surface tension and become more visible to the trout. Regards, Mike.

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Have a look at http://www.ratfish.com/usual   According to Fran Betters who developed the USUAL it should be fished out as a dry and retreived as a wet using short but rapid retrieve. Red or orange thred must be used and keep the dubbing sparse. Good luck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L Rob, as you’ve noticed, its a good technique.  I use a fly called "the Usual" specifically for this.  It is a great dry fly, but it becomes an instant emerger when allowed to swing in the current.  The next cast, again dry then emerger.  I can double my chances of catching fish in this way ’cause I’m fishing two parts of the water column vice one.          Frank Reid Frank,  do you have a link to "the usual" tying pattern? I’m not savvy enough w/google to narrow down the search… I accidentally stumbled into the same technique with an EHC on the Delaware last week…worked great. — Rob S.

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A trout can be drawn to a nymph, however a dry fly must pass overhead of the trout in order to be seen.

Negative. I’ve had a Brown trout come from 6+ feet downstream (about like the Nautilus in Disney’s classic "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea") to intercept a dry fly (parachute hopper). Looked like a dad gum freight train! Granted, that ain’t the normal way of the trout but it did it….. in front of witnesses, too. We were fishing from a boat. Tight lines, Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Virtually every pattern I’ve done this with has caught some fish.  That said, some do work better than others…..or so it appears to me, anyway.  The EHC has always been superb used in this way as well as in it’s more customary role as a dry fly.  Pass lakes also work very well.  Surprisingly, I’ve caught less fish using streamers this way than with dries or designated emerger patterns.  Brookies are typically more susceptible than browns or rainbows….. I’ll add a brown to the list, caught on a Royal Wulff, tho I confess it was more by accident than intent.

Oh, I’ve caught plenty of the others this way, but brookies definitely fall prey more often……probably because they’re easier anyway. I rarely use this method deliberately with the intent of catching more fish. Frankly, it isn’t the most interesting way to catch fish.  It is more often a matter of letting the fly dangle rather than reeling up all the line only to have to strip it off again when it’s my turn to fish.  This is especially true in those situations when the fish are feeding aggressively.  I’ve often found myself in situations where a partner will get a fish on while I’m still releasing one, and vice versa…..sometimes it isn’t worth the time to put the line back on the reel. Wolfgang

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I don’t have a Google link–but here’s the pattern:   Hook: Tiemco 100 or Daiichi 1100 or Mustad 94840   Size 12 to 22   Thread 8/0 Uni-thread  color Red; Orange; Light Cahill; Gray   Tail: Clump of snowshoe hare (from the heel of the foot)   Body: Snowshoe hare dubbing (thread color shows through when wet–plan accordingly)    Wing: Snowshoe Hare clump tied upright (Mayfly) or down-wing style (Caddis)   The only way to fish it "wrong" is to leave it in your flybox. Enjoy HINT: Use a "Usual" as your point fly–tie in 18 inches of flourocarbon at the bend of the hook–and hang a LaFontaine Deep Sparkle Pupa off it. Deadly effective.   Dave M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L Rob, as you’ve noticed, its a good technique.  I use a fly called "the Usual" specifically for this.  It is a great dry fly, but it becomes an instant emerger when allowed to swing in the current.  The next cast, again dry then emerger.  I can double my chances of catching fish in this way ’cause I’m fishing two parts of the water column vice one.          Frank Reid Frank,  do you have a link to "the usual" tying pattern? I’m not savvy enough w/google to narrow down the search… I accidentally stumbled into the same technique with an EHC on the Delaware last week…worked great. — Rob S.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I accidentally stumbled into the same technique with an EHC on the Delaware last week…worked great. I’ve used this method successfully with dozens of patterns while watching a partner fish.  I typically just leave the bug in the water with a bunch of line out while watching.  Virtually every pattern I’ve done this with has caught some fish.  That said, some do work better than others…..or so it appears to me, anyway.  The EHC has always been superb used in this way as well as in it’s more customary role as a dry fly.  Pass lakes also work very well.  Surprisingly, I’ve caught less fish using streamers this way than with dries or designated emerger patterns.  Brookies are typically more susceptible than browns or rainbows…..don’t really know about cutthroat. Wolfgang

well it’s officially in my "go to" list of techniques.  In my case last week, it did work on small browns…which are probably as aggressive as brookies in any event. I was swinging emergers successfully, and then saw a fish rising…switched to the EHC dry, missed a strike, then let it swing…it dove on the swing, and bang…fish on.  Did that for another half an hour or so successfully until I moved on. — Rob

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Rob L writes: (snip) Normally I have had fish take the dries on the surface, not underneath. Any thoughts? This is a common occurence with land locked salmon.  After the drag free drift, the fly is left to swing down and around, then stripped back slowly.  They will hit it on the swing (it’s moving pretty quickly), or on the retrieve. While fishing on a river in Maine from a boat, my grandson caught fish after fish on a Goddard Caddis dragged in the current.  Since I was netting his fish, I didn’t fish much.  <G I have also seen brook trout take a fly like this.  An emerger?  Bait fish struggling?

The subsurface fly is a lot more visible to the trout than one floating on the surface.  With a dry fly, the trout’s window of observation is very limited due to the reflective nature of the surface of the water (it works both sides of the water too, and just as we see sky and so on reflected off the surface, the trout & other fish see reflected riverbed at angles beyond the refraction / reflection limit).  This aspect of visibility to the trout is one reason why I really like to use the nymph over the dry fly in a lot of places. A trout can be drawn to a nymph, however a dry fly must pass overhead of the trout in order to be seen.  Parachute flies and Klinkhamers do manage to be seen better than most dryflies though,  and that is because part of the fly has managed to penetrate the surface tension and become more visible to the trout. Regards, Mike.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t have a Google link–but here’s the pattern:  Hook: Tiemco 100 or Daiichi 1100 or Mustad 94840  Size 12 to 22  Thread 8/0 Uni-thread  color Red; Orange; Light Cahill; Gray  Tail: Clump of snowshoe hare (from the heel of the foot)  Body: Snowshoe hare dubbing (thread color shows through when wet–plan accordingly)   Wing: Snowshoe Hare clump tied upright (Mayfly) or down-wing style (Caddis) Try this: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flytying/intermediate/part28.html Seems pretty easy, even to me. riverman

thanks to both for the pointer…definitely will try it. just tied up a couple of deep sparkle caddis pupa yesterday… now for "the usual" Rob

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I don’t have a Google link–but here’s the pattern:  Hook: Tiemco 100 or Daiichi 1100 or Mustad 94840  Size 12 to 22  Thread 8/0 Uni-thread  color Red; Orange; Light Cahill; Gray  Tail: Clump of snowshoe hare (from the heel of the foot)  Body: Snowshoe hare dubbing (thread color shows through when wet–plan accordingly)   Wing: Snowshoe Hare clump tied upright (Mayfly) or down-wing style (Caddis)

Try this: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flytying/intermediate/part28.html Seems pretty easy, even to me. riverman

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Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L Rob, as you’ve noticed, its a good technique.  I use a fly called "the Usual" specifically for this.  It is a great dry fly, but it becomes an instant emerger when allowed to swing in the current.  The next cast, again dry then emerger.  I can double my chances of catching fish in this way ’cause I’m fishing two parts of the water column vice one.          Frank Reid

Frank,  do you have a link to "the usual" tying pattern? I’m not savvy enough w/google to narrow down the search… I accidentally stumbled into the same technique with an EHC on the Delaware last week…worked great. — Rob S.

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I accidentally stumbled into the same technique with an EHC on the Delaware last week…worked great.

I’ve used this method successfully with dozens of patterns while watching a partner fish.  I typically just leave the bug in the water with a bunch of line out while watching.  Virtually every pattern I’ve done this with has caught some fish.  That said, some do work better than others…..or so it appears to me, anyway.  The EHC has always been superb used in this way as well as in it’s more customary role as a dry fly.  Pass lakes also work very well.  Surprisingly, I’ve caught less fish using streamers this way than with dries or designated emerger patterns.  Brookies are typically more susceptible than browns or rainbows…..don’t really know about cutthroat. Wolfgang

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Virtually every pattern I’ve done this with has caught some fish.  That said, some do work better than others…..or so it appears to me, anyway.  The EHC has always been superb used in this way as well as in it’s more customary role as a dry fly.  Pass lakes also work very well.  Surprisingly, I’ve caught less fish using streamers this way than with dries or designated emerger patterns.  Brookies are typically more susceptible than browns or rainbows…..

I’ll add a brown to the list, caught on a Royal Wulff, tho I confess it was more by accident than intent. Joe F.

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Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L

Rob, as you’ve noticed, its a good technique.  I use a fly called "the Usual" specifically for this.  It is a great dry fly, but it becomes an instant emerger when allowed to swing in the current.  The next cast, again dry then emerger.  I can double my chances of catching fish in this way ’cause I’m fishing two parts of the water column vice one.          Frank Reid

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Hi Rob, Maybe they were taking it for an emerging insect? caddis? Could be very hungry fish or just lots of bugs moving at this time of year? Sometimes a twitched or skated dry will would well too. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was on a river in Northern California that I had never fished before last weekend and was using dry flies the whole time.  A weird thing (to me) was happening, I was catching quite a few fish after the fly completed its drift over where I suspected the fish were lying, and then I would let the fly hang in the current, sink under water slightly, hang there for a second again and then BAMN! Just like Emeril Lagasse the fish were slamming the dry fly.  This occured on three different flies.  Is this a common thing to happen? Normally I have had fish take the dries on the surface, not underneath. Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L

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I was on a river in Northern California that I had never fished before last weekend and was using dry flies the whole time.  A weird thing (to me) was happening, I was catching quite a few fish after the fly completed its drift over where I suspected the fish were lying, and then I would let the fly hang in the current, sink under water slightly, hang there for a second again and then BAMN! Just like Emeril Lagasse the fish were slamming the dry fly.  This occured on three different flies.  Is this a common thing to happen? Normally I have had fish take the dries on the surface, not underneath. Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L

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Rob L writes:

(snip) Normally I have had fish take the dries on the surface, not underneath. Any thoughts?

This is a common occurence with land locked salmon.  After the drag free drift, the fly is left to swing down and around, then stripped back slowly.  They will hit it on the swing (it’s moving pretty quickly), or on the retrieve.  While fishing on a river in Maine from a boat, my grandson caught fish after fish on a Goddard Caddis dragged in the current.  Since I was netting his fish, I didn’t fish much.  <G I have also seen brook trout take a fly like this.  An emerger?  Bait fish struggling? Dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was on a river in Northern California that I had never fished before last weekend and was using dry flies the whole time.  A weird thing (to me) was happening, I was catching quite a few fish after the fly completed its drift over where I suspected the fish were lying, and then I would let the fly hang in the current, sink under water slightly, hang there for a second again and then BAMN! Just like Emeril Lagasse the fish were slamming the dry fly.  This occured on three different flies.  Is this a common thing to happen? Normally I have had fish take the dries on the surface, not underneath. Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L

Casting across, mending the line as it swings and letting it hang for awhile is classic wet fly technique which you have just rediscovered. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (650)-857-5491               Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971          

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I was on a river in Northern California that I had never fished before last weekend and was using dry flies the whole time.  A weird thing (to me) was happening, I was catching quite a few fish after the fly completed its drift over where I suspected the fish were lying, and then I would let the fly hang in the current, sink under water slightly, hang there for a second again and then BAMN! Just like Emeril Lagasse the fish were slamming the dry fly.  This occured on three different flies.  Is this a common thing to happen? Normally I have had fish take the dries on the surface, not underneath. Any thoughts? Thanks Rob L

Your dragging dry had become an emerger struggling to get to the surface (i.e. trout snack food.) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Legendary BC FF’er Jack Shaw who introduced the concept of ‘imitation’ to the province and single handedly invented chironomid fishing passed away late last week. Shaw, whose formal education never exceeded 7 years of public school, authored 2 books ("Flyfish the Trout Lakes" and "Fly Patterns for Trophy Trout") and numerous magazine articles. He also taught scores of BC anglers to tie flies. Jack was admired for his unpretentious manner and dedication to fly fishing. Jack Shaw will be missed on the Kamloops Lakes. A true gentleman who taught several generations to cast, tie, and fish a fly. He made us "aware" of what was happening on and under the surface of the lake. He’ll be missed but not forgotten! Don

_______  If heaven is Catch and Release, Catch one for me Jack Shaw. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/  Updates http://www.gink.com/chat Flyfishing Conversations 6:00 PM PST till after midnight.

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Legendary BC FF’er Jack Shaw who introduced the concept of ‘imitation’ to the province and single handedly invented chironomid fishing passed away late last week. Shaw, whose formal education never exceeded 7 years of public school, authored 2 books ("Flyfish the Trout Lakes" and "Fly Patterns for Trophy Trout") and numerous magazine articles. He also taught scores of BC anglers to tie flies. Jack was admired for his unpretentious manner and dedication to fly fishing.

Jack Shaw will be missed on the Kamloops Lakes. A true gentleman who taught several generations to cast, tie, and fish a fly. He made us "aware" of what was happening on and under the surface of the lake. He’ll be missed but not forgotten! Don

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That was my boyhood hero Ted Peck. Host of "Tide and Trials" plus a Sunday night radio, outdoors talk show and a successful salmon charter business. Ted fell on very hard times – both his son’s were killed in (separate) accidents and he lost his business in the following personal troubles. Since his retirement he has been working at Jaymer’s shop in Port Coquitlam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   He told me his name, but I had forgotten it…

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That’s it Ted Peck at Jaymer’s.  Had forgotten the names but when you reminded me, they clicked right into place.  Thanks for the info. —                                                       -dnc- RalphH wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That was my boyhood hero Ted Peck. …

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That’s too bad. I have read Jack Shaw’s books, and benefited greatly from them. I am saddened to hear of his passing. He was, indeed, a legend. Tim Lysyk

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A few years ago, I was visiting family in Port Coquitlam and my brother-in-law and I happened to go into a fly shop located in a little strip mall in the NE section of town.  We got to talking to an ‘old-timer’ in there who was extremely friendly, showed us how to tie some knots and offered to give us a brief casting lesson…unsolicited of course, we just came in to buy a few flies. My brother-in-law recognized him as a well known personality in Canadian fly fishing (Had a flyfishing TV Show at one time, too, I think).  He told me his name, but I had forgotten it…Jack Shaw seems to ring a bell though.  Think it could have been him?  Little embarrassing to have forgotten his name but I sure remember his gracious manner toward us. —                                                       -dnc-

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Legendary BC FF’er Jack Shaw who introduced the concept of ‘imitation’ to the province and single handedly invented chironomid fishing passed away late last week. Shaw, whose formal education never exceeded 7 years of public school, authored 2 books ("Flyfish the Trout Lakes" and "Fly Patterns for Trophy Trout") and numerous magazine articles. He also taught scores of BC anglers to tie flies. Jack was admired for his unpretentious manner and dedication to fly fishing.

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i like fester’s sense of humor and great bulkwark against the adam and steve crowd

I saw the Titrantic movie but thought it was too long.

what about tantric religion? oh and here are some websites on sex and religion:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?o=1&p=sex+and+religion&d=y&za=and&h=c&… 0 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter Zimmerman The "Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance"  provide accurate information on various religions,  and expose groundless religious hatred.  Web site http://www.religioustolerance.org

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and the former baptist looking into episcopal church says, "gentleman PLEASE! more decorum!" on sodomy: yes quigle, you can "be episcopal and be gay" guess what? over 30 christian denominations have active gay movements in them..even the muslim religion now has one. Peter Zimmerman

Fester thinks you should go back to the bath house and quit trying to pollute religion with your gross sexual perversions. If you want to be religious fine, if you want to be a pervert fine. But don’t try to pervert religion with your gross sexual perversion.

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I saw the Titrantic movie but thought it was too long.

what about tantric religion? oh and here are some websites on sex and religion:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?o=1&p=sex+and+religion&d=y&za=and&h=c&… 0 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter Zimmerman The "Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance"  provide accurate information on various religions,  and expose groundless religious hatred.  Web site http://www.religioustolerance.org

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what about tantric religion? oh and here are some websites on sex and religion: http://search.yahoo.com/search?o=1&p=sex+and+religion&d=y&za=and&h=c&… Peter Zimmerman The "Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance"  provide accurate information on various religions,  and expose groundless religious hatred.  Web site http://www.religioustolerance.org

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Will The Real Episcopalian please stand up?   I have been lurking here for a short time and this is my first posting. Nearly all the threads I have followed here sound far from episcopalian. eg. jehovah witness prosoletyzing spam eg. creation vs. evolution, this is not a problem for anglicans. eg.  "religious"  right wing rantings about PRESIDENT Clinton, and "sodomites" eg.  discussions about the writings of Tim LaHaye,  not exactly Richard Hooker.

My thoughts exactly.  The Episcopal Church I know is one where God is worshipped, and love of God and neighbor are, again and again, brought to our attention as the two great commandments.   And it’s a place where people of widely diverse understandings get together and are willing to discuss the hard questions in an atmosphere of mutual respect and the love of Christ.  It is a place where there is an almost quixotic insistence that ALL Christians share a common faith.  And a place where, once the discussion ends, we all wish each other peace, and kneel (or stand) at a common table and partake of Christ. This place seems to be endless sniping and name-calling.  Absolutely the opposite of what this church is. No wonder we confess our sins three times a day.

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Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you,  A Real Episcopalian

Nope, I heard it here, we can be totally depraved sodomites, and as long as we "pray the same" we’re all Episcopalians!!!! Fester, A Real Episcopalian

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Fester Quigle, says… Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you,  A Real Episcopalian Nope, I heard it here, we can be totally depraved sodomites, and as long as we "pray the same" we’re all Episcopalians!!!! Fester, A Real Episcopalian

Go to Dallas!

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Will The Real Episcopalian please stand up? I have been lurking here for a short time and this is my first posting. Nearly all the threads I have followed here sound far from episcopalian. eg. jehovah witness prosoletyzing spam eg. creation vs. evolution, this is not a problem for anglicans. eg.  "religious"  right wing rantings about PRESIDENT Clinton, and "sodomites" eg.  discussions about the writings of Tim LaHaye,  not exactly Richard Hooker. Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you,  A Real Episcopalian

Having contributed to at least one of the threads that you find offensive, I would like to say that other Episcopalians, whether they are Evangelicals (which I am NOT) or conservative traditionalists (which I AM) have as much right to discuss topics of interest to them within this newsgroup as you do to make the outlandish assertion that only you and people who think as you do should set the agenda in each and every thread.  What an ego!!!  I’ll keep you in mind at evening prayer services today. Regards

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will The Real Episcopalian please stand up? I have been lurking here for a short time and this is my first posting. Nearly all the threads I have followed here sound far from episcopalian. eg. jehovah witness prosoletyzing spam eg. creation vs. evolution, this is not a problem for anglicans. eg.  "religious"  right wing rantings about PRESIDENT Clinton, and "sodomites" eg.  discussions about the writings of Tim LaHaye,  not exactly Richard Hooker. Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you,  A Real Episcopalian Having contributed to at least one of the threads that you find offensive, I would like to say that other Episcopalians, whether they are Evangelicals (which I am NOT) or conservative traditionalists (which I AM) have as much right to discuss topics of interest to them within this newsgroup as you do to make the outlandish assertion that only you and people who think as you do should set the agenda in each and every thread.  What an ego!!!  I’ll keep you in mind at evening prayer services today. Regards

Bruce, dahling, will you be passing this poisonous prayer at the Church of the Heavenlty Taste, where there is wine list at communion? Be sure to try the traditional St. James Stanton Port with the Stilton flavored hosts. You’ll want to go back for seconds! See you there, SON O GOD

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will The Real Episcopalian please stand up? I have been lurking here for a short time and this is my first posting. Nearly all the threads I have followed here sound far from episcopalian. eg. jehovah witness prosoletyzing spam eg. creation vs. evolution, this is not a problem for anglicans. eg.  "religious"  right wing rantings about PRESIDENT Clinton, and "sodomites" eg.  discussions about the writings of Tim LaHaye,  not exactly Richard Hooker. Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you,  A Real Episcopalian Having contributed to at least one of the threads that you find offensive, I would like to say that other Episcopalians, whether they are Evangelicals (which I am NOT) or conservative traditionalists (which I AM) have as much right to discuss topics of interest to them within this newsgroup as you do to make the outlandish assertion that only you and people who think as you do should set the agenda in each and every thread.  What an ego!!!  I’ll keep you in mind at evening prayer services today. Regards Bruce, dahling, will you be passing this poisonous prayer at the Church of the Heavenlty Taste, where there is wine list at communion? Be sure to try the traditional St. James Stanton Port with the Stilton flavored hosts. You’ll want to go back for seconds! See you there, SON O GOD

Little Willy Wantland sez….  "Be sure to ask for the genuine Eau Claire, Wisconsin Stilton   flavored hosts. Do not accept any substitutes!"

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Bruce, dahling, will you be passing this poisonous prayer at the Church of the Heavenlty Taste, where there is wine list at communion? Be sure to try the traditional St. James Stanton Port with the Stilton flavored hosts. You’ll want to go back for seconds!

Tsk, tsk, tsk.  How little  Son O God understands of us Episcopalians!  We hold services only at the most upscale of churches – mine is the Church of the 18th Hole – and of course we would not deign to use anything other than the finest Bordeau vintages and biscotti at communion. bokononist — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Tsk, tsk, tsk.  How little  Son O God understands of us Episcopalians! We hold services only at the most upscale of churches – mine is the Church of the 18th Hole – and of course we would not deign to use anything other than the finest Bordeau vintages and biscotti at communion.

bokononist – old pal!  It’s been a long time!!  How’s about another round of golf next time you’re in town? See you at the Church of the Hole-in-One! By the way, you still haven’t paid up your debt from our last game. Regards

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What a cheap use of sarcasm…you two enjoy youselves on the links!!!  I’ll fly fish and thank God I’m there!  Peace to you all!!

We’re related. Regards

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tsk, tsk, tsk.  How little  Son O God understands of us Episcopalians! We hold services only at the most upscale of churches – mine is the Church of the 18th Hole – and of course we would not deign to use anything other than the finest Bordeau vintages and biscotti at communion. bokononist – old pal!  It’s been a long time!!  How’s about another round of golf next time you’re in town? See you at the Church of the Hole-in-One! By the way, you still haven’t paid up your debt from our last game.

What a cheap use of sarcasm…you two enjoy youselves on the links!!!  I’ll fly fish and thank God I’m there!  Peace to you all!!

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Little Willy Wantland sez….  "Be sure to ask for the genuine Eau Claire, Wisconsin Stilton   flavored hosts. Do not accept any substitutes!"

You CAN do better than that, I hope?  At this rate – you would not qualify for admission to a Mississippi Baptist high school (shudderat the thought).  You are welcome to try again, however. bokononist — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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and the former baptist looking into episcopal church says, "gentleman PLEASE! more decorum!" on sodomy: yes quigle, you can "be episcopal and be gay" guess what? over 30 christian denominations have active gay movements in them..even the muslim religion now has one. Peter Zimmerman The "Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance"  provide accurate information on various religions,  and expose groundless religious hatred.  Web site http://www.religioustolerance.org

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Will The Real Episcopalian please stand up?    I have been lurking here for a short time and this is my first posting. Nearly all the threads I have followed here sound far from episcopalian. eg. jehovah witness prosoletyzing spam eg. creation vs. evolution, this is not a problem for anglicans. eg.  "religious"  right wing rantings about PRESIDENT Clinton, and "sodomites" eg.  discussions about the writings of Tim LaHaye,  not exactly Richard Hooker. Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you,  A Real Episcopalian

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See "Presentation" by Borger, or LaFontaine’s "Caddis" book.  Overpower a sidearm cast, just like skipping a stone on the water. It might work, but when I try it I always feel like a pompous ass. Oh-oh.  POLITICAL CORRECTION: for the illiterate out there, I mean that to be a four-legged animal, not somebody’s butt. BB

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Thanks everyone for oyur help! I will let you know how I go… PS Got my second trout on fly yesterday…. Put up a terrific fight for the size.  I got three big runs from this fish with line stipping of at a rate of knots… I thought it was a monster but it turned out to be about 1.5 lb. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How do you skip a fly.  I have read and heard about doing this…but I have know idea what is ment by it… Can someone help me out on this please

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(and so did charlie choc) The author is Leonard M. Wright jr, "Fishing the Dry Fly as a Living Insect," Dutton, 1972.

If, as charlie suggests, it is out of print, try the public libraries. Its a neat old book with some unorthodox solutions to some still relevant problems. The patterns he suggests and the materials he uses are not as water repellant nor as buoyant as the elk hair caddis, however, so you might want to use Wright’s technique, but stick with the EHC. brent

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Mike Here’s another method that’s worked for me.  Use a long rod, very long leader 12′ with a very light tippet and stand almost directly upstream of the fish.   As the fly approaches the end of the drag free drift, lift the rod tip up and get all of the line and leader out of the water.  The fly just lightly dances on top of the water.  I’ve had a ‘bow jump 6" out of the water to take a fly danced this way. It works best if the wind and stream currents are going the same way, but it is difficult to get right if they are in opposite directions. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html

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Brent The author is Leonard M. Wright jr, "Fishing the Dry Fly as a Living Insect," Dutton, 1972. Dave Snedeker – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (some good advice on technique and a probable origin for the technique) Mike: If you are looking to dig even deeper, check out "Fishing the Dry Fly as a Living Insect" by (an author I know, but whose name escapes me this early on a sunday – damn that aluminum cookware!). He describes how to tie and fish the ‘fluttering caddis’, but using hackle barbules and mink hair rather than elk hair. In any case, as Walt points out, the fish love the fly and the technique. good luck brent

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How do you skip a fly.  I have read and heard about doing this…but I have know idea what is ment by it… Can someone help me out on this please

maybe try looking at some of Lefty’s writings – also try FFM website, www.flyshop.com.  http://www.newsfeeds.com/       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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(some good advice on technique and a probable origin for the technique) Mike: If you are looking to dig even deeper, check out "Fishing the Dry Fly as a Living Insect" by (an author I know, but whose name escapes me this early on a sunday – damn that aluminum cookware!). He describes how to tie and fish the ‘fluttering caddis’, but using hackle barbules and mink hair rather than elk hair. In any case, as Walt points out, the fish love the fly and the technique. good luck brent

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How do you skip a fly.  I have read and heard about doing this…but I have know idea what is ment by it…

I skip a caddis after the initial drift is completed.  Landlocked salmon love it when the fly reaches the end of the drift and swings around to be straight down stream.  A retrieve back with sudden jerks of the rod will also encourage hits. However, this only works for a certain kind of caddis, usually in June in Maine.  The same trick applied in September does not produce the same results. Dave LaCourse

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How do you skip a fly.  I have read and heard about doing this…but I have know idea what is ment by it…

There is no "right" way to do this. Experimentation is always worthwhile. I get 80%+ of my fish on a drag free drift, even on caddis. Fish feeding on Duns or emergers can be put down if there is any drag or motion to your fly, especially on heavily fished areas. I generally fish an area first using a drag free approach and then try some twitching or induced drag. Generally, just a twitch which moves the fly ever so slightly is what’s needed. However, in riffles and runs, more pronounced skips and hops followed by drag free drifts can be productive. A technique that sometimes brings up reluctant surface feeders in pocket water is a down stream technique. Wade upstream and to the side of one of the mini pools in a pocket stretch, until you are ten to fifteen feet away. In pocket water, fish are not easily spooked and a close approach is generally possible. Make a short cast to the side of the pocket you’re going to fish, raise your rod tip so that all the line and leader is off the water and hop a heavily dressed dry in and around the mini pool. With this technique, you can generally use a fly one or two sizes larger than what you would use on flatter water and a heavier tippets is also helpful. Strikes are violent. Fish will often will swipe at the fly but will hit it if your next cast is a drag free one. This is a good midsummer technique.  Especially in midsummer, these stretches of pocket water hold lots of fish including some good ones. Willi

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How do you skip a fly.  I have read and heard about doing this…but I have know idea what is ment by it… Can someone help me out on this please

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How do you skip a fly.  I have read and heard about doing this…but I have know idea what is ment by it… Can someone help me out on this please

 Mike, By twitching your rod real fast you send vibrations out your flyline/leader/tippet to the caddis. This causes the fly to "dance" on the water and it is a rare trout that can resist this flamenco. Here in the mountains of NC, there is a deceased flyfishing legend by the name of Mark Cathey. He "developed" this style back in the 20’s & 30’s on Hazel Creek and he always managed to fill his creel with the limit. Good luck with your dancing lessons, Walt —          The Blue Ridge Book Gallery      P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS/HOME.HTM

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I’d like to cast my vote for stronger enforcement of the anti-snagging laws.  It is still going on, although no weighted treble hooks are in evidence.   Personally, I have all kinds of cute ideas for laws that would make lifting ineffective, but without enforcement, such laws would be meaningless.  Personally, I’ve spent four days on the Salmon River this year and have yet to see any DEC enforcement, or hear of any arrests. I’ve seen plenty of lifting going on, even in the flyfishing sections of the River. I’d also like to see better and more "real-time" reporting of river conditions.  A bad report might keep me from coming up on a given day, but no accurate reporting whatsoever leaves me with a level of risk, given my 5 hour drive to get to the River.  It might be good if someone were to post the current Niagara Mohawk release reports somewhere.  I’d like to see Jim Rusher at Whittakers do this, since he seems to have the best "river-oriented" site, but I understand that the cost of Niagara Mohawk’s 900 number could get a bit out of control…maybe a Chamber of Commerce opportunity lies in here. Bob Davis

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writes: Bob,

    Thanks for your comments. The C of C would be hard pressed to fund the purchase of a subscription to the Waterline # and I’m also sure that Waterline as a business would be less than pleased. You’r right though, timely water level conditions are of the utmost importance.     I’d be happy to share any info I have on conditions, etc. as I look out my back window at the river.     Today, the rains continued resulting in continued big water. My folks landed two rainbows in the upper fly zone, saw lots of fish in Trout Brook and saw plenty of snagging (unfortunately) in Oswego.     Regards,     Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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I saw game wardens a few times this year on the river but they never seem to wander far from the parking areas.On the oswego river you see more wardens because it is a very easily accessable place to fish.They arent any more thrilled about going to work than average person so they really arent going to walk all that far to see if people are lifting farther up the river or not.I have seen many river guides lift fish and hand the rod right to there clients and of course the lifted fish was kept.Until we fisherman lose the "its going to die after spawning anyways"attitude the snagging will never stop.Maybe we should start a donate a roper program to help out the dec..

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Bill — Because NYS has finally banned snagging, I have started to fish the Salmon River, and therefore patronize local restaurants, tackle shops, etc. In my six visits so far this year, I have not seen any evidence of law enforcement. I have, however, noticed a lot of anglers who have foul-hooked chinooks and have been very negligent in their releases. Many do not bother to revive fish after they remove their hooks. In my opinion, more law enforcement and angler education is needed to help the Salmon River become a truly great fishery. Moreover, the Chamber might want to explore ways to help clean the River banks and trails from the mess of liter and old line. Such an effort would greatly enhance the Salmon River’s image and popularity among influential anglers. Lastly, the DEC should be given alot of credit for finally making a stand against snagging/lifting. Showing appreciation and support to them would probably go a long way in helping the future of the Salmon River and the people who make a living from it. PS: I refuse to patronize any establishment in the Pulaski-area that has fought against the ban on snagging (MacDonald’s, etc.). Bob Elliott, Rochester, NY – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At its next meeting in late November, the Pulaski/Eastern Shore Chamber of Commerce will be discussing the law enforcement detail here on the Salmon River. As president, I’d be interested in hearing about any FIRST HAND experiences you may have had this year. I’ll use your contributions as a springboard to open discussion. Thanks in advance, Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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At its next meeting in late November, the Pulaski/Eastern Shore Chamber of Commerce will be discussing the law enforcement detail here on the Salmon River. As president, I’d be interested in hearing about any FIRST HAND experiences you may have had this year. I’ll use your contributions as a springboard to open discussion. Thanks in advance, Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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T, Thanks for your thoughts regarding Mr. W. As I didn’t feel the need to expound on all of the details regarding this (minor) incident, I did mull over those issues that you mentioned.  It turns out that he was there when his talk was scheduled and our group did see him about an hour before his casting demo.  The floor manager is the person to pass along the info about his leaving and he was none to pleased.   Let’s just let put this one to bed and get back to fishing, which is the real reason for all of this drivel, Mad Dog

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I just got back from the San Francisco International Fly-Fishing Expo.  It was a great show with one notable exception.  Jose Wejebe chose to stand up the audience at a talk on salt water flyfishing and then to add insult to injury he left for Florida before his casting demo, again shortchanging showgoers who wanted to see him. A Sage rep filled in for him at the last moment and I credit the rep for doing the right thing. So much for Jose, just another big ego with no real knowledge of who makes celebrities exist at all… Mad Dog

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I just got back from the San Francisco International Fly-Fishing Expo.  It was a great show with one notable exception.  Jose Wejebe chose to stand up the audience at a talk on salt water flyfishing and then to add insult to injury he left for Florida before his casting demo, again shortchanging showgoers who wanted to see him. A Sage rep filled in for him at the last moment and I credit the rep for doing the right thing. So much for Jose, just another big ego with no real knowledge of who makes celebrities exist at all.

Don: I hold no brief for big ego celebrities, and think that the whole popularity of celebrity sportsman or celebrity whatevers is a one of the more distasteful aspects of our society (that is, for those who seek out such celebritydom) but don’t you think you might be jumping to conclusions based on one incident? I suspect Jose has family, friends, a life, etc., and for all that isn’t it possible a family member was ill, his house caught fire, his daughter was hit by a car, etc.? You might be right implying that it was no such thing, on the other hand, you might be wrong, and really smearing a decent fellow. Saw a quote once: "An intellectual is someone who’s mind watches itself." Seems to me in this case such watching might lead to using  a little imagination about what might have called Jose away before slamming the guy. At any rate…. T.

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I propose the following actions in response to SPAM showing with increasing frequency in this group:  1. Immediately after spotting SPAM, mail to the spammer a big piece of     email.         Subject matter should be the same as the one in SPAM.       The bigger the piece the better.  If you are on UNIX, keep handy a       core dump file. (Mine is 10Mb.)  At some point, spammer’s net       provider may notice heavy traffic and disk usage.  Plugs have been       pulled on people using too much of provider’s resources.  2. If spammer objects, keep sending the piece.  3. Call spammer’s provider.  4. Under NO circumstances post followups to SPAM in the group!         Any followup to SPAM is bad.  But the worst are the ones that       include the copy of the original SPAM.  Vent your splean by       writing the spammer.  Use harsh language. -AR

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I wrote earlier: I propose the following actions in response to SPAM showing with increasing frequency in this group: 1. Immediately after spotting SPAM, mail to the spammer a big piece of    email.   …

A nice way to inflict pain on a spammer is to forward to him his own spam.  If each of us does it several times, he might find his mailbox stuffed with his own, well, spam.  Cheers,  -AR

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hunt them down and kill them TimW (Just kidding, SPAMMERS *DESERVE* to live in a world with spammers)

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Beat them to death with your #5 rod, and turn it in on warrantee when it breaks?   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hunt them down and kill them TimW (Just kidding, SPAMMERS *DESERVE* to live in a world with spammers)

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A nice way to inflict pain on a spammer is to forward to him his own spam.  If each of us does it several times, he might find his mailbox stuffed with his own, well, spam.  Cheers,  -AR

Somebody posted a gif of a can of Spam one one of the newsgroups. I always attach that to the reply just in case they don’t get it<g. Charlie…

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Rychter) writes: A nice way to inflict pain on a spammer is to forward to him his own spam.  If each of us does it several times, he might find his mailbox stuffed with his own, well, spam.  Cheers,  -AR

I’ve been sending copies of the original spam to the spammer  and to the postmaster of the system for some time now.  You’d be amazed how many of those I get back because the spammer is using a re-mailer and spamming anonymously.  You can often successfully send a complaint to the postmaster by finding the line that says "Message-ID" in the header and I’m for burning them at the steak 8^  (ok, stake if you must)                                   Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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I’m for burning them at the steak 8^  (ok, stake if you must)                                   Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

I’m with you only if we can burn them in front of their families and other spammers. — "The true Angler is content to fish alone" Brian Di Carlo

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 ANY ONE FLY FISHING THERE LATLEY I’LL BE 6/8/96 TO 6/14/96  ANY SPECIAL TRICKS. OR FLY’S, DRY OR WET. BY THE WAY IT’S  IN NORTHERN PLUMAS NATIONAL FOREST. –

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 ANY ONE FLY FISHING THERE LATLEY I’LL BE 6/8/96 TO 6/14/96  ANY SPECIAL TRICKS. OR FLY’S, DRY OR WET. BY THE WAY IT’S  IN NORTHERN PLUMAS NATIONAL FOREST.

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ANY ONE FLY FISHING THERE LATLEY I’LL BE 6/8/96 TO 6/14/96 ANY SPECIAL TRICKS. OR FLY’S, DRY OR WET. BY THE WAY IT’S IN NORTHERN PLUMAS NATIONAL FOREST.

Charlie Smith, the local tier and fly fisherman at Buck’s Lake, uses a Deer Hair Fly ( Humpy ) and the Rio Grand King dry fly in the streams.  He uses an Olive Wooly Worm in the lakes.  I would also have some #14/16 Adams Paraduns for the lakes. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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I was in Indonesia and Thailand two years ago but didn’t bring my rod. Going back for my honeymoon…any advice?   I did lots of snorkeling but looking for recommendations…flies, places. Will trade for good fishing stories and east coast goodies. Dan Foster Dan Foster

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I was in Indonesia and Thailand two years ago but didn’t bring my rod. Going back for my honeymoon…any advice?  

Yeah, don’t forget your rod…. — | PO Box 1510      | MCI:   mnewman (333-1196) | Hell is   | | Saipan MP 96950  | Phone: +(670)234-7726     | Saipan?   | | Mariana Islands  | FAX:   +(670)234-3022     |           |

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I am a begining fly fisherman and I am going to be working in canon city, co for the summer. I will be there from May 15- August 15. I would appreciate any suggestions on good places to fish, shops for flys, and approximate times of good hatches. In other words any help would be appreciated. thanks in advance. Paul

You’ll be living right by the headwaters of the Arkansas River, which has some decent trout (so I’ve heard, haven’t gotten down there yet). Also, you won’t be too far from the South Platte, which is pretty famous for awesome catch & release only, artificial flies & lures (barbless hooks) only fishing. The South Platte will be about 1.5 to 2 hours drive from Canon City, either north into Colorado Springs and then West on route 24 to Woodland Park, and north on route 67 to Deckers, or continue through Woodland Park to Lake George, and go up Elevenmile Canyon road (3 dollar access fee you pay at a self-serve station), to the river. I’m still new at the insect hatches, so can’t give you anything of value in that area. Pick up a copy of the Colorado Angling Guide when you get here, or before if you can find it. It’s got a nice collection of Forest Service maps of the areas. As for shops, I know the Angler’s Covey on 8th and West Colorado Ave in Colorado Springs is a great place for fly fishing supplies and advice, although you should be able to find something in Canon City as well, use the yellow pages. — Scott Ferguson                               My views are not necessarily Cray Computer Corporation                    those of Cray Computer Corp.

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I am a begining fly fisherman and I am going to be working in canon city, co for the summer. I will be there from May 15- August 15. I would appreciate any suggestions on good places to fish, shops for flys, and approximate times of good hatches. In other words any help would be appreciated. thanks in advance. Paul

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