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<SNIP. A wise man once wrote… <SNIP      - Ken Very flattering!   Sometimes I can not help thinking that a "wise man" would keep his silence more often.

Probably, but what’s the fun of being wise if you can’t say stupid things every once in a while.  :-)      - Ken

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only evidence I have that you yourself might be a "real" or even a "good" angler is your oft-repeated assertions here that you are.  I have no overwhelming reason to disbelieve you other than the inherent little untruths contained in your entertaining exits from ROFF ("I will tell you a little story,  my all too eager to condemn friend. It does not matter a lot, as it will in any case be my last post to this newsgroup"), so I choose to assume you’re correct.  I do, however, have personal knowledge that Joe Howell is.  I also know that he would not, on the basis of reading few snippet quotes on a newsgroup, be so eager to condemn a fellow angler as a "greedy and self-serving human being" and a "snobby prat." JR

For the record. I have never asserted any such thing. What you or others choose to interpret, or believe,  is your own affair. You are indeed perfectly correct about my "exits". To be perfectly honest, very considerable thought and self-analysis notwithstanding, I can not for the life of me explain why I feel obliged to post here at all, or why I felt obliged to return. As I have no reasonable explanation, I will refrain from even attempting to tender one. As you so ably demonstrate in your description of my behaviour, and its consequences. What people say is important. Of the thousands of posts I have written in recent years, you remember the "exits", and the associated comments, and base your evaluation, of myself on that. Rather odd don

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Some stamps came out a while ago featuring flies. Anyone know where I cn get them? Ari

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Some stamps came out a while ago featuring flies. Anyone know where I cn get them?

Um……U.S Post Office?

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I have a first day issue of these stamps.  They were released on May 31, 1991 by the US post office. If you live in the US, look in your local phone book for a stamp collector store.  They will probably have it.  I first day issue will probably cost about $10, a strip about $5.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some stamps came out a while ago featuring flies. Anyone know where I cn get them? Ari

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Some stamps came out a while ago featuring flies. Anyone know where I can get them?

I don’t know if they are still available in the Post Office or not — occasionally I see someone offer a booklet of them on eBay at auction. Fleetwood is still selling First Day Covers and Postcards so you can get a description of the stamps by going to their web site and searching for "fishing flies" http://www.unicover.com/unisearch.htm? At the time of issue the Post Office also put out a framed print of a fly fisherman with all five stamps included.  I have one around here somewhere but couldn’t find it to provide a better description. I’m not a stamp collector myself but am trying to round up copies of all the first day stuff for the Largemouth Bass stamp. Have a great weekend, — Clyde Drury Black Bass Book Collector http://members.aol.com/BassBks/index.html

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Has anyone had the chance to use these rods before?  I saw them at the Flyfishing Retailers Expo in Saltlake City and was quite impressed with them.  They seem really good looking, made in Florida by a new company. Components and quality seems to belie the fact that they are only priced around $100-200!  I’m going to get one to try out and was wondering if anyone had any experience with them.  I’m not endorsing or promoting them or am anyway associated with them.  Enuf said! Before you buy.

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They seem really good looking, made in Florida by a new company. Components and quality seems to belie the fact that they are only priced around $100-200!  I’m going to get one to try out and was wondering if anyone had any experience with them.  I’m not endorsing or promoting them or am anyway associated with them.

To answer your question I have not heard of them, but now I have a question. Do you have a contact for the company or the ownership of this company, I have heard that len codella’s son was involved in a new graphite rod co. Len used to be with T&T who once had a line of rods called the Heritage series which they dropped, I think about the time Len left. If this is Len’s son’s company and if they are based on the old Heritage action I’m gonna have to buy a few. Thanks Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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A member of my TU chapter has been selling those Heritage rods.  I don’t know much about where they’re from (maybe Korean blanks?) but I liked the feel of them when we had a chance to try them out last spring.  We bought a bunch of them to replace the aging Cortlands we use in our flycasting classes – very good value.  We’re also going to raffle off a couple this year for fundraisers. –Stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone had the chance to use these rods before?  I saw them at the Flyfishing Retailers Expo in Saltlake City and was quite impressed with them.  They seem really good looking, made in Florida by a new company. Components and quality seems to belie the fact that they are only priced around $100-200!  I’m going to get one to try out and was wondering if anyone had any experience with them.  I’m not endorsing or promoting them or am anyway associated with them.  Enuf said!

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Cool! I will be calling them about buying a few.  I will keep you all updated.  This much I was told when I talked to them at the convention, they are somehow in league with Teton/Tioga folks, and that they roll their own blanks and are based in Florida.  They have only apparently been in business for 9 months and are currently trying to buuld up an inventory.  Presently they are unable to keep up with demand..or so I’ve been told. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A member of my TU chapter has been selling those Heritage rods.  I don’t know much about where they’re from (maybe Korean blanks?) but I liked the feel of them when we had a chance to try them out last spring.  We bought a bunch of them to replace the aging Cortlands we use in our flycasting classes – very good value.  We’re also going to raffle off a couple this year for fundraisers. –Stan Has anyone had the chance to use these rods before?  I saw them at the Flyfishing Retailers Expo in Saltlake City and was quite impressed with them.  They seem really good looking, made in Florida by a new company. Components and quality seems to belie the fact that they are only priced around $100-200!  I’m going to get one to try out and was wondering if anyone had any experience with them.  I’m not endorsing or promoting them or am anyway associated with them.  Enuf said!

Before you buy.

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I’m interested in learning more. Do you have a contact, telephone #, City? Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cool! I will be calling them about buying a few.  I will keep you all updated.  This much I was told when I talked to them at the convention, they are somehow in league with Teton/Tioga folks, and that they roll their own blanks and are based in Florida.  They have only apparently been in business for 9 months and are currently trying to buuld up an inventory.  Presently they are unable to keep up with demand..or so I’ve been told. A member of my TU chapter has been selling those Heritage rods.  I don’t know much about where they’re from (maybe Korean blanks?) but I liked the feel of them when we had a chance to try them out last spring.  We bought a bunch of them to replace the aging Cortlands we use in our flycasting classes – very good value.  We’re also going to raffle off a couple this year for fundraisers. –Stan Has anyone had the chance to use these rods before?  I saw them at the Flyfishing Retailers Expo in Saltlake City and was quite impressed with them.  They seem really good looking, made in Florida by a new company. Components and quality seems to belie the fact that they are only priced around $100-200!  I’m going to get one to try out and was wondering if anyone had any experience with them.  I’m not endorsing or promoting them or am anyway associated with them.  Enuf said! Before you buy.

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Well, i just spoke to Phil who was the older gentleman I met at the show.  He said that they are at the moment unable to keep up with the orders and it’ll be at least two mths before he’s caught up.  They can only make about 500 rods a week at the moment.  He is going to try to get me a 6wt and an 8 wt to test out.  They also have spey rods and their travel rods won’t be available till next year. I did manage to get more info about the rods: They don’t have the warranties that Redington has, nor do they come with fancy tubes and cases.  Most of the rods are black on black, stainless SIC stripping guides, stainless snake guides, aluminum reel seats on the saltwater models, wood on the others.  Nice finish on the rods in my opinion. Phil also said that for those of you who are interested, your best bet is to contact your nearest Teton/Tioga dealer abt the rods. I’ll let you all know when I get the rods. Before you buy.

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>From: Gidget >urf wrote: >> Speaking and acting with love in one’s heart for others is an ideal that I >> would follow to the extent that I am able to. >I wouldn’t go that far.  The love in my heart is reserved for those who’ve >earned it for whatever reason.  But speaking and acting with compassion and >respect for others is, to me, a very reasonable ideal.

Ditto.  This goes back to the thread on what we need.  I think that when others are treated respectfully, it is not necessarily coming from a place of love…moreso from a place of caring. No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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>Minus 10 points for political correctness…

You butt. ) No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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Speaking and acting with love in one’s heart for others is an ideal that I would follow to the extent that I am able to. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oceanmomma wrote in message <19990309112015.28004.00000…@ng134.aol.com>… >>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >>Judgment is unavoidable. People have opinions and should be able to >>express them. There should be no "political correctness" here. No one >>should say anything they don’t mean to gain favor. The one thing I >>have trouble with is condemnation. >>But I’m not condemning anyone for that. >I agree that people should be able to express their opinion.  If they choose to >do it disrespectfully, or judgmentally, that speaks loudly of who they are. >There is a difference between being politically correct and just showing some >plain old respect.  Why not speak to members of this group as lovingly as one >would speak to their spouse?  Doesn’t all personkind deserve respect?  Or does >it only apply at home? >No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. >-William Blake

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Semantics again. The people with whom I disagree are "judgmental". The people with whom I agree are "insightful". Or so it seems to me. — Sourdough sez: "We would worry a lot less about what other people think of us, if we realized how seldom they do." Oceanmomma wrote in message

<19990308203922.14376.00003…@ng18.aol.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >>I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here. >I agree Urf.  It would be really nice if there were an atmosphere of >non-judgement.  However, the reality is that there is plenty of judgement in >here. >And please let’s not get started on what reality is  Pretty please???? >No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. >-William Blake

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urf wrote: > Speaking and acting with love in one’s heart for others is an ideal that I > would follow to the extent that I am able to.

I wouldn’t go that far.  The love in my heart is reserved for those who’ve earned it for whatever reason.  But speaking and acting with compassion and respect for others is, to me, a very reasonable ideal.

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Nobody wrote: > Gidget, I agree 100%.  I think its a troll, but the guy sounds like > he’s into power games.  I also would guess that his wife is mildly > interested in the power games as well, seeing that she responded > with the "Yes, Master" he wanted to hear instead of, "Shove it, > you fool."  There are a lot more people into the power game thing > than you might think.

Not only that, but I have a hard time believing that this guy all of a sudden woke up one day and decided he wanted his wife to go w/o underwear or play kinky sex games. This kind of thing, if the person is interested, would be kind of difficult to conceal for 29 years of marriage.

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Gidget, Then what does it make them? I’m curious as to how you would characterize them. Arnie In article <36E3BE68.9EF8…@hotmail.com>, Gidget – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<gidgetoli…@hotmail.com> wrote: > He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go > without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots > of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their > practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick > motherfuckers."

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Arnie wrote: > Gidget, > Then what does it make them? I’m curious as to how you would characterize them.

Assuming the original poster is not just a foolish troll… I would characterize him as a person with a fetish (the desire for his mate to go w/o underwear) and a taste for "alternative" sexual practices (the dominance/submission games).

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In article <36E3BE68.9EF8…@hotmail.com>,   Gidget <gidgetoli…@hotmail.com> wrote: > Lots of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and > while their practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them >"sick motherfuckers."

If an individual had an Oedipus complex and they followed through on their feeling then I think that they would qualify.  Dont you Gidget? garyz We cannot direct the wind but we can adjust the sails. ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    

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ga…@my-dejanews.com wrote: > If an individual had an Oedipus complex and they followed through on their > feeling then I think that they would qualify.  Dont you Gidget?

Obviously… so would a pedophile.

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C’mon, now!  What goes on between ‘consenting adults’ is none of our business! Really, I’m kidding. Amused – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ga…@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <7c1cs5$nj…@nnrp1.dejanews.com>… >In article <36E3BE68.9EF8…@hotmail.com>, >  Gidget <gidgetoli…@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Lots of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and >> while their practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them >>"sick motherfuckers." >If an individual had an Oedipus complex and they followed through on their >feeling then I think that they would qualify.  Dont you Gidget? >garyz >We cannot direct the wind but we can adjust the sails. >———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- >http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

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I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gidget wrote: > Gail Warnings wrote: > > I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to > > do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me > > of the rape guy– and not in a good way. > He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go > without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots > of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their > practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick > motherfuckers."

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Judgment is unavoidable. People have opinions and should be able to express them. There should be no "political correctness" here. No one should say anything they don’t mean to gain favor. The one thing I have trouble with is condemnation. But I’m not condemning anyone for that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oceanmomma wrote: > >From: urf <nos…@erols.com> > >I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here. > I agree Urf.  It would be really nice if there were an atmosphere of > non-judgement.  However, the reality is that there is plenty of judgement in > here. > And please let’s not get started on what reality is  Pretty please???? > No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. > -William Blake

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Minus 10 points for political correctness… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oceanmomma wrote in message <19990309112015.28004.00000…@ng134.aol.com>… >Doesn’t all personkind deserve respect

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>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >Judgment is unavoidable. People have opinions and should be able to >express them. There should be no "political correctness" here. No one >should say anything they don’t mean to gain favor. The one thing I >have trouble with is condemnation. >But I’m not condemning anyone for that.

I agree that people should be able to express their opinion.  If they choose to do it disrespectfully, or judgmentally, that speaks loudly of who they are. There is a difference between being politically correct and just showing some plain old respect.  Why not speak to members of this group as lovingly as one would speak to their spouse?  Doesn’t all personkind deserve respect?  Or does it only apply at home? No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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Did he also have a diamond in his belly button? lol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Amused wrote: > I saw him last week living under a bridge, eating Billy-goats and fly > fishing. > Amused > Gail Warnings wrote in message <7buhgj$o6…@camel18.mindspring.com>… > >Richard Terry wrote in message <7bu94a$6i…@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>… > >.  I want my wife to stop wearing > >>underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made > >>her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view. > >>I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to > >>college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  .  It turns me > >on to think of > >>inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just > >bought > >>that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying > >>her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t > >>really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive. > >I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to > >do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds > me > >of the rape guy– and not in a good way. > >Gail

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>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here.

I agree Urf.  It would be really nice if there were an atmosphere of non-judgement.  However, the reality is that there is plenty of judgement in here. And please let’s not get started on what reality is  Pretty please???? No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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Call Dr. Popoola.  He helped you before according to your other posting in alt.support.obesity. _____________________________________________________________________ Rich here.  10 months ago I weighed 300 pounds, today 3/1/99 I weight 207. After years of trying to diet I finally realized that my weight problem did not have to do with lack of will power, but a genetic problem passed down from generation to generation. Dr. Dapo Popoola, of the Surgilite Medical Group of North Hollywood, CA. performed a Vertical Ring Gastric Bypass on me and since that day my entire life has changed.  I was diabetic, I am no longer diabetic.  While I am still hypertensive I have cut my medications in half.  I am healther than I have ever been running up to 18 miles a week and doing a full body work out 3 days a week.  If you’re interested in knowing more, I have created a website for Surgilite at surgilite.hypermart.net and you can find out whatever your need to know by visiting that site.  Goodluck. ______________________________________________________ garyz Never mistake motion for action. –Ernest Hemingway ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    

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"Richard Terry" <rwte…@earthlink.net> wrote: >Short of going to a psychiatrist I am looking for some help.  Perhpas this >is the place.  Please bear with me as I explain.

Richard, It sounds like you’re going to need that psychiatrist.  It doesn’t sound like your wife is into these sex games you are playing.  If she isn’t,  you need help and plenty of it.

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Gail Warnings wrote: > I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to > do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me > of the rape guy– and not in a good way.

He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick motherfuckers."

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Richard Terry wrote in message <7bu94a$6i…@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>…

.  I want my wife to stop wearing >underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made >her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view. >I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to >college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  .  It turns me on to think of >inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just bought >that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying >her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t >really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive.

I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me of the rape guy– and not in a good way. Gail

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I saw him last week living under a bridge, eating Billy-goats and fly fishing. Amused – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gail Warnings wrote in message <7buhgj$o6…@camel18.mindspring.com>… >Richard Terry wrote in message <7bu94a$6i…@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>… >.  I want my wife to stop wearing >>underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made >>her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view. >>I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to >>college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  .  It turns me >on to think of >>inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just >bought >>that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying >>her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t >>really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive. >I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to >do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me >of the rape guy– and not in a good way. >Gail

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Gidget wrote: > He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go > without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots > of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their > practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick > motherfuckers."

Gidget, I agree 100%.  I think its a troll, but the guy sounds like he’s into power games.  I also would guess that his wife is mildly interested in the power games as well, seeing that she responded with the "Yes, Master" he wanted to hear instead of, "Shove it, you fool."  There are a lot more people into the power game thing than you might think. Drew

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Short of going to a psychiatrist I am looking for some help.  Perhpas this is the place.  Please bear with me as I explain. I have been married to the same woman for 29 years.  I love her beyond words, but for 29 years we have struggled with a problem that seems to be getting worse and I need some objective input for disinterested third parties.  So here goes. As I said I love my wife, but I have a desire to control her, Oh, not in the conventional way.  I want her to have her own live, but I want to control what she wears under her clothes.  My wife says I just want to control her, if so, after you read this tell me so.  I want my wife to stop wearing underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view.  She is getting read to have a hysterectomy and after the surgery I do not want her to wear panties any more.  It turns me on to think of my wife, out in public, without underwear.  I’ve never asked her to do anything that she would consider immoral, only that she not wear underwear. On occasions she has gone without a bra, and several yeas ago, on one of our anniverseries, she went without bra and panties and I can’t describe how it made me feel.  I have a strong sex drive, but she does not.  I want sex every night, she wants it every week or month (I’m no exaggerating).  I dream about her every night. I dream about her being naked in front of other men and women and being ordered to allow the men to make love to her to for her to provide oral sex to the women. I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  I don’t want sex 24/7 I just like to look at my wife’s beautiful body. I do have one other "hang up" if you please.  It turns me on to think of inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just bought that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive. Last night we had a fight, afterwards I ordered her to remove all her clothes and as I made love to her I told her that she was to address me, at all times with "Yes, Sir" and when it was just she and I she was to address me as "Master".  I can’t begin to tell you how it turned me on when I asked "Do you understand what I’m saying" and she replied "Yes master." I love my wife and want help. After love making I feel so guilty.  I don’t want to hurt her, but at the same time I get so turned on by her submissiveness.  Does anyone have any suggestions that might help me to control my passions and range.   Please reply to me privately and not on this list because I need to hear from you as soon as possible. thanx for listening, I hope you can help. RWT mailto:rwte…@earthlink.net

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check out www.walleyecentral.com and use the message board and chat room……all kinds of help – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just started fishing from a boat and have a few questions. 1. How do you tell how deep your line is?  If the fish finder says that the fish are at 40 feet how do you know when your line is forty feet down? 2. What is a reasonable dept to fish without going to downriggers. 3. What are planner boards for?  How do you rig them? Thanks

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We can get lines down in excess of 60 feet without the use of down riggers. The advantage of down riggers is you will have a short lead and it will take less time to bring in the fish and reset. The disadvantage to down riggers is for fish like Lake erie walleye they tend to shy away unless they are down deep because the boat traffic spooks the fish. The other disadvantage is cost. Presently we are down around 50 feet using ripcord line and 0 dispel on planar boards and you can add weight if you would like to keep leads under 200 feet. You can also try 1 dipseys and they will go to 50 feet on mono and over 70 on rip cord or braided wire. The reason we use planar boards is so we can get lines away from the boat into water where the fish have not been spooked. The other advantage is you can run upto 12 poles off the planar boards without tangling. That is enough for upto 6 people. When the weather gets rough you have to run less but you can run regular dipseys . We typically run 8 planar boards an 6 dipseys when the fish are deep and when the fish are high we run 10 planar boards and 4 dipseys. Essentially planar boards are two boards connected together so when attached to a line at front of boat several feet above the water they will pull to side of boat. this allows you to let lines out back and then attach the lines to a planar clip which is typically an alligator clip with rubber pads or you can use a shower curtain and rubber bands and wrap the rubber band around the line. The secret is to get the proper rubber band. The first couple times by some from Patco but then you can go to office supply store and buy rubber bands much less expensive in bulk. When you attach the line to the clip and to the planar board line as you let additional line out it will slide down the board line when it is just above the water stop it and then set the next line leave a 20 -30 foot space in between and then when the fish hits it will swing to back of the boat. If you use a plug or diving device like a jet dive you have to release the lure by reeling don until the line is taught and slap the handle of the pole the shock will break the rubber band if you are using ripcord or wire line with mono it is more difficult because mono tends to stretch. Then let line swing to back of boat to avoid tangles and reel in. if you are running 0 dipseys off the planar boards you must release the line from the board the same way but then real the slack and release the dipsey with a firm tug and then real right away. there are different techniues for different things you use. I hope this helps. Captain Bryce Seymour Fishing has been good to very good. The fish are moving daily in past few weeks they have moved from 12 miles out into 6 miles out in one day after a storm but then as water settled down they started moving out again. Within a few days they were at 12 miles out. The main school is off of Geneva and slightly east about 20 miles out. The captains out of Fairport have another school out west of Fairport so you can see there is not just one place to fish but most people are going off shore. I main problem has been a lot of sheep head being caught with the walleye which lowers the catches. The Fairport captains are catching between 20-40 fish but would have more if they could not have to reset lines for sheep head so often. Similar numbers out of Geneva. Watermelon is a hot color and the Geneva captains tend to use more worm harnesses while the Fairport tends to use spoons as much as possible. I have also heard of a man who was taking a floating j plug putting it on his down rigger and sending it to the bottom and then release the j-plug and about half the time he would catch a nice walleye while the plug was rising to the surface. The most prominent methods have been using 0 dipseys off ripcord off the boards. Set one side at lets say 140 , 160, 180, 200 and the other at the same but put an ounce of weight in front if you see the weighted side working more than the non weighted side then look at adding an ounce or two of weight. The advantage of this technique over wire line is you can keep the leads under 200 feet so you can catch the fish and reset faster than if your setting a line back 320 feet on wire. Ripcord is a little more forgiving than wire when raping on planar boards but can still be a nuisance if you get a good tangle. Captain Bryce Seymour http://www.chartercaptain.com/hooker/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just started fishing from a boat and have a few questions. 1. How do you tell how deep your line is?  If the fish finder says that the fish are at 40 feet how do you know when your line is forty feet down? 2. What is a reasonable dept to fish without going to downriggers. 3. What are planner boards for?  How do you rig them? Thanks

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I have just started fishing from a boat and have a few questions. 1. How do you tell how deep your line is?  If the fish finder says that the fish are at 40 feet how do you know when your line is forty feet down? 2. What is a reasonable dept to fish without going to downriggers.   3. What are planner boards for?  How do you rig them? Thanks

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    Planner boards float on the surface of the water and pull your lure and line out to the side of the boat like a kite in the wind. Your lure then trails behind the planer board and swims at the depth that it was designed for and depending on it’s speed in the water, length of line out and size of the line. Instructions as how to rig them up are included with the boards.     There are devices that can be added directly to your line that will dive towards the bottom (pink lady is one). There depth depends on their size, weight, speed, type lure used, length of line used for trolling and size of the line.     If you want to troll deep without a downrigger, you can use lead core line. Use the 17 lb lead core line. The stronger lead core line has the same amount of lead in it but more nylon thread so though it is stronger (about 30 lbs) it will not sink as well. Or use steel line. I found that I could get down to about 70 feet deep with steel line without using heavy weights. Keep a record of all the setups you use when trolling and when you feel that you touch bottom, check the sonar for the depth, check your trolling speed and type of equipement used etc and mark it all down in a note book. The next time you want to fish at that particular depth with that particular lure setup you will know what to do. This is how old time experienced trollers knew where their lure was when fishing. Add the fact that they memorized the bottom structure, after a few years of snagging bottom, catching fish and watching the successful fishermen for tips, helped in their fishing success.     So if you want to fish at 40 feet, rig up a line, troll over a depth of 40 feet and see what you have to do to touch bottom. Note what you did and then use the same technique the next time you see fish suspended at 40 feet.     Becoming a good troller is more difficult and takes longer than becoming a good fly fisherman. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just started fishing from a boat and have a few questions. 1. How do you tell how deep your line is?  If the fish finder says that the fish are at 40 feet how do you know when your line is forty feet down? 2. What is a reasonable dept to fish without going to downriggers. 3. What are planner boards for?  How do you rig them? Thanks

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Hi, I saw some very small cream colored insects hatching from a resevoir in April.  The trout were going wild about them.  I didn’t pay too much attention to them at the time, though.  They looked all the world like minescule moths to me.  Someone suggested they may be midges.  I though all midges were black.  First, do you have any idea what was hatching? And second, are all midges black?  or do they come in other colors? Thanks, Nicolo

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Hi, I saw some very small cream colored insects hatching from a resevoir in April.  The trout were going wild about them.  I didn’t pay too much attention to them at the time, though.  They looked all the world like minescule moths to me.  Someone suggested they may be midges.  I though all midges were black.  First, do you have any idea what was hatching? And second, are all midges black?  or do they come in other colors? Thanks, NicoloMidges come in a variety of colours with black as only one of the more

common.  If you wish to fish these activity periods whihc I strongly reccomend read lake fishing by kaufmann tie up a bunch of pupae, some long leaders and sit back and wait for the freight train!!! Be very careful, midging has some strong parallels to cocaine… Ian

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Hi, I saw some very small cream colored insects hatching from a resevoir in April.  The trout were going wild about them.  I didn’t pay too much attention to them at the time, though.  They looked all the world like minescule moths to me.  Someone suggested they may be midges.  I though all midges were black.  First, do you have any idea what was hatching? And second, are all midges black?  or do they come in other colors? Thanks, Nicolo

Hi Nicolo Midges comes in a variety of colors including cream/tan and black. Take care and … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products On line catalog – tips & tricks at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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As you discribe the hatch as small moths It sounds like small Caddis not midges. You might look in you local fly shop at a book about the Hatch. I’ve got a small book put out by Orvis that works well to define the hatch. — Larry D. Madison Quote of the week: Life without Black would surely make White blind You. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I saw some very small cream colored insects hatching from a resevoir in April.  The trout were going wild about them.  I didn’t pay too much attention to them at the time, though.  They looked all the world like minescule moths to me.  Someone suggested they may be midges.  I though all midges were black.  First, do you have any idea what was hatching? And second, are all midges black?  or do they come in other colors? Thanks, Nicolo

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Hi, I saw some very small cream colored insects hatching from a resevoir in April.  The trout were going wild about them.  I didn’t pay too much attention to them at the time, though.  They looked all the world like minescule moths to me.  Someone suggested they may be midges.  I though all midges were black.  First, do you have any idea what was hatching? And second, are all midges black?  or do they come in other colors?

Howdy Nicolo, "Minescule moths…" sounds like MicroCaddis ? Were the fish plimpin’ or floppin’ after these bugs ? Any small elk hair caddis would probably work if they were MC… To answer your other question… Midges can be grey, black, tan, red, green and probably many others. Effective midge ties can be devastatingly simple. Here is a tie that I have refined over the winter…it is called: You Can See The Damned Thing Biot Packing Midge #18-#22 TMC200 Tail: 2 fibers of fine crystal flash Body: Natural Grey Goose biot ribbed with crystal Legs (hackle): One or Two turns Grizzly dry fly tied shoulder style Wing: Thin strip of closed cell foam (used in shipping electronics)       folded and tied up and out.  (You could color this with       your fav flourescent marker if you had absolutely no pride…) You can see the fricken’ thing because of that unsinkable foam flag… the crystal in the rear looks like a shuck, adds some attraction and the weight of the bend will pull the sparse biot body under a la   natural…drinking glass testing has been encouraging… The first prototype used NewDub instead of crystal for the shuck, but then this would have been a Palamino Midge Variant. Also, pheasant is excellent as midge body material and a very simple fly is nothing more then a small hook wrapped sparsely with a couple of pheasant fibers and a little ball of well waxed dubbing up near the eye…way easy to do… Good luck solving your mystery hatch… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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: Be very careful, midging has some strong parallels to cocaine… No way, man.  I was always way to shaky to tie one of those little buggers on.   But I found I could tie a lot of them, very quickly. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/

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Midges come in lots of colors, but mainly red ones and black ones. White, too. You also could have seeing very small mayflies, down to size 22–tricorhythodes and pseudocolen (I may have misspelled these). Next time, grab a few and see if they have mayfly like tails and wings. toney – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I saw some very small cream colored insects hatching from a resevoir in April.  The trout were going wild about them.  I didn’t pay too much attention to them at the time, though.  They looked all the world like minescule moths to me.  Someone suggested they may be midges.  I though all midges were black.  First, do you have any idea what was hatching? And second, are all midges black?  or do they come in other colors? Thanks, Nicolo

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Hi Nicolo, It sounds like what you saw were Caenis, or as they are commonly termed ‘Fisherman’s Curse’ . It’s a very small fly, and when they hatch off they can do so in their millions, and the trout can become totally preoccupied with them. You can try fishing an imitation pattern, but this is a bit ‘needle in a haystack’, although there are some patterns that look like two or three Caenis tied on one hook. Try picking out an individual fish, (they are usually right up in the surface film, supping them up) and see if you can’t drop your imitation about a foot in front of it. It may take, but it’s a very frustrating business. Alternatively, you could try stripping a brightly coloured Muddler or such like across their noses, and see if you can provoke a take like this! As for midges, they are in the family of Chironomids, commonly called ‘Buzzers’ among other things ( for the noise they make when they fly into your ear!), and they live as bloodworms in the silt of lakes and rivers for a year or two, before eventually turning into pupae, and gradually making for the surface, where they hatch out as the adult ‘Buzzer’. Contrary to popular belief  they don’t bite or suck your blood, like Mosquitos do, as they have no mouth parts as such.They are a staple diet of most trout, and you can always catch a trout or two on them when all else fails. They come in various colours, ranging from black through to green, red, even orange, although if you have a chat with a local at your reservoir, they tell you the commonest colours there, as they vary around the country. I’ve caught the majority of my fish on the buzzer, and it’s a very rewarding way of fishing. Hope this is of some help.

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Hi Nicolo, It sounds like what you saw were Caenis, or as they are commonly termed ‘Fisherman’s Curse’ . It’s a very small fly, and when they hatch off they can do so in their millions, and the trout can become totally preoccupied with them. You can try fishing an imitation pattern, but this is a bit ‘needle in a haystack’, although there are some patterns that look like two or three Caenis tied on one hook. Try picking out an individual fish, (they are usually right up in the surface film, supping them up) and see if you can’t drop your imitation about a foot in front of it. It may take, but it’s a very frustrating business. Alternatively, you could try stripping a brightly coloured Muddler or such like across their noses, and see if you can provoke a take like this! As for midges, they are in the family of Chironomids, commonly called ‘Buzzers’ among other things ( for the noise they make when they fly into your ear!), and they live as bloodworms in the silt of lakes and rivers for a year or two, before eventually turning into pupae, and gradually making for the surface, where they hatch out as the adult ‘Buzzer’. Contrary to popular belief  they don’t bite or suck your blood, like Mosquitos do, as they have no mouth parts as such.They are a staple diet of most trout, and you can always catch a trout or two on them when all else fails. They come in various colours, ranging from black through to green, red, even orange, although if you have a chat with a local at your reservoir, they tell you the commonest colours there, as they vary around the country. I’ve caught the majority of my fish on the buzzer, and it’s a very rewarding way of fishing. Hope this is of some help.

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott 5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of

rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

Ross, The dealer probably said "Teton". John Johnson Lilburn,GA

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You probably mean Teton!  I have seen that one reccomended here before.   A small Lamson or STH would also be good. -Burton On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Ross Laurie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott  5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott 5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

Hey Ross, This is just my 2 cents, but unless you are fishing for Salmon, Steelhead or any of the big saltwater species known for long runs, a reel is just a device to hold your line. Don’t waste your $$$ on an expensive reel to fish for trout. YMMV, Tom

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott 5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

 Hello Ross, I believe the reel he is speaking of is a Teton.  They make a nice reel.  Although, if you are looking for a real clean setup I would look no further than the new Ross Colorado.  The size you want is about $100 and the spools are about $50.  This reel only has a pawl to keep it from free spooling.  No Drag!  But really, is a drag that important on anything under a 6-7 weight rod.  I like the exposed rim. If you feel that you need a drag, maybe the cimmaron by ross would be a good bet.  It is lighter than the Teton. Enjoy Life, Paul Johnson,

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I would go with the Ross reels. Either the Cimarron ($170) or the Gunnison ($210). The gunnison has a great disc drag. Very good reels, beautiful finish and they are light. I would go with the extra $10. Otherwise, the Cimarron is great. No disc drag, otherwise, just as good and pretty. kmustad – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott  5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott  5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

It getting to be a real bitc… when $200 is a mid priced reel.  The good news is IMHO, that it tough to beat the Cortland LTD’s, which you can have for around $100, and xtra spools for under $40.  Fine disc drags, easy to clean, graphite construction. made in UK (sorry George) USA made look to Tetons, and Lamsons.  There are undoubtedly others but these I own and use. jg

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It getting to be a real bitc… when $200 is a mid priced reel.  

Can you believe it? The good news is IMHO, that it tough to beat the Cortland LTD’s,

They are a good reel. I use the size 80 for my DT5F and WF6F lines and it works just fine. Not as smooth as others, but it’s always been reliable for me. Room for 100 yards of 20lb backing (give or take). Mine is 5(?) years old and has seen lots of streamside rocks and boat bottoms and is still kicking. I’ve never been particularly careful with that reel and it’s never given me a problem. I sort of like the fact that I can bang it around a bit and not fret and fuss. If I had one of the Abel reels with the "Coral" finish, I think I’d be afraid to bring it outside. look to Tetons, and Lamsons.

I would also look at the Orvis Battenkill. I know some on the group tend to quiver at the O-word, but I do very much like their reels. If I had the cash, you can bet I’d have a CFO on my trout sticks. My Battenkill 8/9 Disc has served me well over the past few years since I bought it. The SA System 2L reels are nice and more trout sized than their bigger cousins. I like their smooth drag system (at least the few I’ve fondled in the shops). Bob Petti Endwell, NY

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott  5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

I definitely don’t qualify as a sage (no pun inferred) but, I am ecstatic about an LL Bean Streamligh that I paid around $60.00 for.  It has a pawl drag without much oomph to it, but other than that, its extremely ligh weight and has a great feel to it.  On top of that, LL Bean has as good a return policy as you will ever find.  I am using a 4/5 on a 9 ft sage LL 4 wt.  Good Luck! Randy

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The leatherman and similar tools, and fatly featured swiss knives are bulky and heavy in the pocket.  I use a thin swiss knife or small pocket knife and a pair of the smallest size Channellock brand slip-joint pliers. The channellocks have the slip joint and can just barely stretch to grip a spark plug, yet are small enough to pinch down barbs as small as size 18. They are handier for automotive purposes than needlenose because of the range of grip and the mechanical advantage of their design, though this is not a concern if you carry a good tool kit in your vehicle. At the tip they bite good enough to clip leader material. They are usually adequate for removing hooks for fly fishing where the hooks tend not to be deep in the mouths. Beware of the lookalike brands as they tend to break when you need to really clamp down. One thing I have discovered is that you can open cans or bottles with any sharp pocket knife with a good carbon steel blade. Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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(DPortw8840) writes: I can think of any number of situations where I certainly would take any of them over nothing! I can think of any number of situations where I would take a stick over nothing. To me the biggest advantage of the S.A.K. is I always have one in my pocket.

The two aren’t mutually exclusive.  I have carried a pocket knife daily for more than 40 years.  I recently switched to a SAK after having carried a single-blade lock-blade Gerber/Buck (depending on what I bought when I lost my old one) for nearly 20 years.  I appreciate the utility of the SAK, but that doesn’t mean it’s always the best tool for the job. When I was in the military I always wore a belt knife of some sort, either a big Buck folder, a rigging knife, a large blade (6") sheath knife or a boot knife, but I always had my current favorite pocket knife tucked away somewhere.  I’ve carried as many as three at a time, depending on the situation and need. When the situation requires it I carry a Leatherman, too.  Either on my belt or in the tank bag of my motorcycle.  But I usually take it off when I wear a suit.  It tends to scuff the lining of the jacket.

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: 1) All stainless steel construction… but matte finished! Nothing shiny : or reflective. : But not a very rust resistant stainless steel.  Mine rusted and pitted : after one exposure to saltwater. Saltwater is so corrosive that it will affect even stainless steel. ALWAYS wash your gear with lots of fresh water after being around the salt. : 3) On the Gerber tool, the extra stuff is _inside_ the handles, as : opposed to outside on the Leatherman. Why was this important? Well, : think about which handles are more comfortable to squeeze hard… :  _     _              _   _ :  _|   |_        or   |_   _|  as viewed from the end of the tool. :    (L)                 (G) That is the only complaint about the leatherman. But the "cutting" affect from the handles is not noticable until I use a lot of force on the pliers. And that force is more than the tool was designed for! Remember that the pliers are needle-nose. How much force do you use on those? : The Gerber tools are MUCH easier on the hands… kinda important if : you’re cutting wire… or big hooks. : In addition, this means that the Gerber tool’s blades _can’t_ close back : on the handle while in use… a nifty finger-saving feature that the : Leatherman _doesn’t_ have! Not true. If you find the tools folding back on you, then you need to close the handles on the Leatherman. The only tool on that knife that is to use with the handles open is the pliers. By closing the tool, you are using a sort of "blade lock". : I’ve used mine to cut wire and hooks, fix battery terminal cables, : dispatch northern pike and clean them (though it’s NOT a particularly : GOOD fillet knife… just all I had available! The blade isn’t flexible : enough.) Tighten various screws around the house, and even cut a 1" limb : off of a tree… I was too lazy to go back and get the saw! <G Leatherman can do all that, and is a more compact tool to boot! Jon Porter

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(DPortw8840) writes: I can think of any number of situations where I certainly would take any of them over nothing!

I can think of any number of situations where I would take a stick over nothing. To me the biggest advantage of the S.A.K. is I always have one in my pocket.             Jim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife. The place I used to work sold Leatherman, Swiss Army, Gerber, and the Leatherman copy (Avoid these! They’re TRASH!) Leatherman DOES make 3 or 4 models… but don’t neglect the Gerber version of the tool, either. Here’s why I bought my Gerber… 1) All stainless steel construction… but matte finished! Nothing shiny or reflective. 2) ONE HAND opening of pliers. Pull it out, snap your wrist, and the pliers are ready to use. Just the thing for handling pike! 3) On the Gerber tool, the extra stuff is _inside_ the handles, as opposed to outside on the Leatherman. Why was this important? Well, think about which handles are more comfortable to squeeze hard…   _     _              _   _   _|   |_        or   |_   _|  as viewed from the end of the tool.     (L)                 (G) The Gerber tools are MUCH easier on the hands… kinda important if you’re cutting wire… or big hooks. In addition, this means that the Gerber tool’s blades _can’t_ close back on the handle while in use… a nifty finger-saving feature that the Leatherman _doesn’t_ have! I’ve used mine to cut wire and hooks, fix battery terminal cables, dispatch northern pike and clean them (though it’s NOT a particularly GOOD fillet knife… just all I had available! The blade isn’t flexible enough.) Tighten various screws around the house, and even cut a 1" limb off of a tree… I was too lazy to go back and get the saw! <G Comes with a velcro-closing cordura belt case, too… Very nice.

Hi Joe, Based on your comments regarding the Gerber tool, I’m going to give one a try.  I’ve used the Leatherman for a couple of years and you are tight.   When you use the pliers on any tough material the Leatherman handles are rough on the hands — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

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I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife.

Having used the Leatherman, the Swiss Army Knives, and the Gerber Multi-Plier, my preference is for the Gerber Multi-Plier, and particularly the new needle nosed version.  I like the way that I can bring it into play with one hand over fumbling around with the Leatherman, and I like the way that the sharper edges of the handle are inside on the Gerber, as opposed to digging into your hand on the Leatherman.  The one thing that I don’t like about the Gerber is the way that the sides of the handles come together.  Your learn rapidly to keep your fingers out of there! All of the three are good tools for what they were designed, and I can think of any number of situations where I certainly would take any of them over nothing!

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: I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is : more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your : belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be : used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife. For my vote as a practical SURVIVAL tool, I chose the Leatherman.  The Swiss Army knife is very useful in all of it’s models and configurations. But I find the Leatherman to be compact, very sturdy, and with the combination of tools that I need for my outdoor activities. I have used it for trips into the wilderness for up to a week at a time. It is also a very useful tool for me at work. I carry it almost full time while I go about my daily business. Jon Porter

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I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife. 1) All stainless steel construction… but matte finished! Nothing shiny or reflective.

But not a very rust resistant stainless steel.  Mine rusted and pitted after one exposure to saltwater. 2) ONE HAND opening of pliers. Pull it out, snap your wrist, and the pliers are ready to use. Just the thing for handling pike!

Until you get a little dirt/grit in the mechanism.   3) On the Gerber tool, the extra stuff is _inside_ the handles, as opposed to outside on the Leatherman. Why was this important? Well, think about which handles are more comfortable to squeeze hard…  _     _              _   _  _|   |_        or   |_   _|  as viewed from the end of the tool.    (L)                 (G) The Gerber tools are MUCH easier on the hands… kinda important if you’re cutting wire… or big hooks.

They’re easier on your hands, until the can opener breaks and slips into the hand holding the can.  That’s what happened with mine.   In addition, this means that the Gerber tool’s blades _can’t_ close back on the handle while in use… a nifty finger-saving feature that the Leatherman _doesn’t_ have! I’ve used mine to cut wire and hooks, fix battery terminal cables, dispatch northern pike and clean them (though it’s NOT a particularly GOOD fillet knife… just all I had available! The blade isn’t flexible enough.) Tighten various screws around the house, and even cut a 1" limb off of a tree… I was too lazy to go back and get the saw! <G Comes with a velcro-closing cordura belt case, too… Very nice.

Leatherman comes with a snap closing "leather" belt case. Gerber was, however, quick to replace the one I returned to them.

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I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife.

The place I used to work sold Leatherman, Swiss Army, Gerber, and the Leatherman copy (Avoid these! They’re TRASH!) Leatherman DOES make 3 or 4 models… but don’t neglect the Gerber version of the tool, either. Here’s why I bought my Gerber… 1) All stainless steel construction… but matte finished! Nothing shiny or reflective. 2) ONE HAND opening of pliers. Pull it out, snap your wrist, and the pliers are ready to use. Just the thing for handling pike! 3) On the Gerber tool, the extra stuff is _inside_ the handles, as opposed to outside on the Leatherman. Why was this important? Well, think about which handles are more comfortable to squeeze hard…   _     _              _   _   _|   |_        or   |_   _|  as viewed from the end of the tool.     (L)                 (G) The Gerber tools are MUCH easier on the hands… kinda important if you’re cutting wire… or big hooks. In addition, this means that the Gerber tool’s blades _can’t_ close back on the handle while in use… a nifty finger-saving feature that the Leatherman _doesn’t_ have! I’ve used mine to cut wire and hooks, fix battery terminal cables, dispatch northern pike and clean them (though it’s NOT a particularly GOOD fillet knife… just all I had available! The blade isn’t flexible enough.) Tighten various screws around the house, and even cut a 1" limb off of a tree… I was too lazy to go back and get the saw! <G Comes with a velcro-closing cordura belt case, too… Very nice. — Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |    TesserAct Studios  ()X  Darwin (;        Now on the Web at      |   Fairfield, OH 45018  //~~~LL~~~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 |  New Dimensions In Filk!

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I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife.

Hi J&J, I like my Leatherman much better than my Swiss Army Knife for the things I use a combo tool for.  I particularly like the plier feature of the L which my SAK does not have. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

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says… I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife.

I used to have a Leatherman, but he started getting just a wee bit too toppish.   Left him in a bar one night. David

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I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife.

Agree, as long as you don’t get one of those cheap knock-offs.  Real pieces of garbage, extremely stiff pliers that don’t close, knives as sharp as a dorsal fin, etc. Get the real thing, or a quality competitor.

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I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife. Agree, as long as you don’t get one of those cheap knock-offs.  Real pieces of garbage, extremely stiff pliers that don’t close, knives as sharp as a dorsal fin, etc. Get the real thing, or a quality competitor.

I found a pair of the $15 fishing pliers with wire cutter on a beach about 4 years ago and they work fantastic. Offshore Anglers & Cabelas have them. They don’t have as many gadgets as a Letherman, but I haven’t noticed it to be a problem so far.                                                         jc

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I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife.

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writes: The  Herter’s catalog was the best reading material while siiting on the John  I have found. I still have some of his instruction manuals; i.e. How to stay  married to a bitch, The bull cookbook, The Herter’s guide manual and The  Herter’s Book of Fly and Lure Construction.. Also I have a friend who is still using a #7 vise and a Herter’s Bamboo Planing Jig. Too bad they went out of business. Luck. Ja

I was talking with my dad about a need for a good fishing catalog and he is said that he’s still disappointed that he can’t get a new Herter’s Catalog. "…can’t believe they went out of business. The Netcraft Catalog is about the closest thing left!" Don

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: The  Herter’s catalog was the best reading material while siiting on the : John  I have found. I still have some of his instruction manuals; i.e. How : to stay  married to a bitch, The bull cookbook, The Herter’s guide manual : and The  Herter’s Book of Fly and Lure Construction.. Also I have a friend : who is still using a #7 vise and a Herter’s Bamboo Planing Jig. Too bad : they went out of business. Luck. Jack    I still have my parka purchased from them in 1972. The ad used to    make the sale was terrific – showed a photo of Dr so and so using    Herter’s prime northern goose down parka on his Arctic expedition.    BTW, the parka is great.    I miss them …….

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As I understand it, Herter’s went out of business because they were allegedly involved in some "criminal activity." Problems with IRS and ATF. Say it aint So, George. –Doug Easton Tight Lines and Empty Creels

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I received e-mail that stated Herter’s catalogue can be obtained by calling 800-654-3825. I do not know whether this is a new company or what but I intend to call the number and see. Prehaps ur dad is interested. Stretched leaders. Jack.

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I am planning to get up to the Salmon River in NY in the next few days and I am wondering what conditions are like up there now.  Any Browns or Steelhead in the river?  Water levels – I heard it was high…has it dropped any?  I’d really appreciate an E-Mail or a posting.

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hell i even bought skis from that catalog…it was great fun to leaf thru…. craig

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Bob, Check out the following URL for exellent up to date info: http://www.maine.com:80/fish-ny/ Jim Walker will help you out with very near term conditions if you ask nicely. (and mail him 10 bucks) Right Jim? Bill Althoff

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Just a curiosity… Who all out there cut their fly tying teeth on George Leonard Herter’s big thick yellow book (you know the one…It’s where geo. said he invented all the fly patterns currently in use…:)) and if you did, which of the following statements rings more true with you: a) George’s book set me back twenty years in my growth as a fly tyer… b) This was the best book of it’s day on the subject, and got me off to a good start… Or feel free to fall in the middle somewhere with your own statement… An informal survey..

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The  Herter’s catalog was the best reading material while siiting on the John  I have found. I still have some of his instruction manuals; i.e. How to stay  married to a bitch, The bull cookbook, The Herter’s guide manual and The  Herter’s Book of Fly and Lure Construction.. Also I have a friend who is still using a #7 vise and a Herter’s Bamboo Planing Jig. Too bad they went out of business. Luck. Jack

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The  Herter’s catalog was the best reading material while siiting on the John  I have found. I still have some of his instruction manuals; i.e. How to stay  married to a bitch, The bull cookbook, The Herter’s guide manual and The  Herter’s Book of Fly and Lure Construction.. Also I have a friend who is still using a #7 vise and a Herter’s Bamboo Planing Jig. Too bad they went out of business. Luck. Jack Not too many folks could disagree with your first statement Jack, but I can disagree with your second one!!  Just ordered a catalog last week from their 800 number!!!!  What was that? You sure wish that guy woulda’ posted the damn number…..okay, Jack….here it is!!!                         800-654-3825 Now keep in mind, your proctologist will tell you that it’s not good to spend too much time sitting on the commode reading, you should just take care of business and move on……well F**K HIM!!! If he’s got time to meddle in other peoples business, he’s not spendin’ enuff time fishin" !!!!! Larry #:)#

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Would appreciate any suggestions concerning the following: I will be leaving Asheville, NC early Saturday morning (either the day before Father’s Day or the following Saturday), travelling to Washington, DC, taking two days, i.e., spending one night in western Virginia. What’s a good place to spend the night  along Interstate 81 so I can fish for trout on Saturday evening, after the drive from Asheville, and on Sunday morning, before the drive to DC?  The stream(s) should be somewhat easily accessible since I will have to spend time buying an out-of-state license before I can start.  BTW, what does a 2-3 day out-of-state license cost? Thanks again.

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I’ve often fished around the town of Bridgewater, VA. Its on I-81 in the middle of the Shenandoah valley, south of Harrisonburg. There are several creeks around there–the best is Mossy Creek, but to fish it or a couple of the others you need a special permit and they have made it hard to get one, i.e. you have to write in for it OR pick one up as some government office south of Bridgewater. Call the Mossy Creek flyshop in Bridgewater and ask them where to get the permits, or which streams don’t need em. There is a decent motel called the Village Inn near there on Rt. 11, or a great B-n-b about ten miles away in the hills, called Boxwood. Let me know

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What’s a good place to spend the night  along Interstate 81 so I can fish for trout on Saturday evening, after the drive from Asheville, and on Sunday morning, before the drive to DC?  The stream(s) should be somewhat easily accessible since I will have to spend time buying an out-of-state license before I can start.  BTW, what does a 2-3 day out-of-state license cost?

   You have several choices for smallmouth/bluegill flyfishing…not as much for trout (you’d have to drive farther from I-81 for trout).    Both the James River and the Maury River, which I-81 crosses in the vicinity of Lexington & Buena Vista, offer good smallmouth fishing.    My best recommendation, though, is to go ahead and do the longer drive up past Harrisonburg, then stop and fish the South Fork of the Shenandoah.  The Shenandoah offers great smallmouth fishing!  One of my favorite spots is at a bridge crossing a few miles downstream (north) of where Rt. 211 crosses the South Fork on its way to Luray.  You can fish here, then take Rt. 340 north to Front Royal (about 25 miles) where you pick up I-66 East to D.C.    The spot I mention is at the Rt. 643 bridge (or 6-forty-something)…there’s a Virginia Game Commission public boat landing.  You can park and wade upstream where there are some rubble/cobble dams.  I fished there just two weeks ago and caught close to 20 smallmouth in about 90 minutes!    This suggestion basically takes no time off the trip other than what you spend fishing.      —Scott

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   If you fish in a trout stream that is not catch and release, the license is close to $70.00 for out of state !!!   The James river around natural bridge area or Buchanan is good smallmouth fishing.  I think it is easier to fish with a canoe or small boat but it is possible to wade it alot of places if water is not high from run off. (would not be very fly fishable if muddy anyway).  During the week the folks at James River recreation area (a commercial camp ground) were kind enough to let me park my truck there and it is quite wadeable right around the cap ground.  The camp ground is advertised along rt 81.  I launched by boat there and went up stream the fishing was quite good. It is marginally boatable there lots of rocks and stuff.    I have not fished the Maury but it is much smaller and probably more appropriate for wade fishing.  I talk to one local gentleman who liked the Maury better than the James.  Good luck.                                     regards  leo

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Would appreciate any suggestions concerning the following: I will be leaving Asheville, NC early Saturday morning (either the day before Father’s Day or the following Saturday), travelling to Washington, DC, taking two days, i.e., spending one night in western Virginia.

What Pent1 and PWS said about this may be fine, and no doubt the fishing they descibed may be great. But for my buck. I’d haul butt from Ashville all the way to I-66 and Front Royal, Va. Hit Front Royal and get to the K-mart and buy a license and then head back west on Rt. 55 west to Patterson Creek and Elizabeth Furnace park and camping area. Patterson Creek has some challanging fishing and is very accessable and very pretty. And after you have spent as much time there as you want, you are only 2 hrs from D.C.

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I’ve often fished around the town of Bridgewater, VA. Its on I-81 in the middle of the Shenandoah valley, south of Harrisonburg. There are several creeks around there–the best is Mossy Creek, but to fish it or a couple of the others you need a special permit and they have made it hard to get one, i.e. you have to write in for it OR pick one up as some government office south of Bridgewater. Call the Mossy Creek flyshop in Bridgewater and ask them where to get the permits, or which streams don’t need em. There is a decent motel called the Village Inn near there on Rt. 11, or a great B-n-b about ten miles away in the hills, called Boxwood. Let me know

Just 90 minutes from D.C. is the small town of Edinburg 1 mile east of  exit 71.  Go into town, turn left at Main street, then begin looking on the right side of the road for Murray’s Fly Shop.  He’s got maps, advice, and plenty of knowledge abou t the trout AND — if you want to catch some real fish — Smallmouth Bass  fishing in the immediate area.  Harry Murray is the author of at least 2 books about fishing in the area.  His book on smallmouth fishing is excellent!  Phone # is 703-984-4212. Jim IwishIwasfishing Stewart.

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