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Item from this evening’s Capital Times (Madison, WI): FISHERMAN’S BRAWL LEAVES 1 MAN DEAD A man was killed Sunday in a brawl among six anglers vying for the same fishing spot. Craig Alan Buckley, 35, died on the Matanzas Bridge on Florida’s east coast. The cause of death was pending results of an autopsy, St. Johns County Sheriff’s officials said. Three men were arrested, including Buckley’s brother, David Todd Buckley, 37, of Peoria, Ill., who was charged with aggravated assault. Kenneth Eubanks, 39, of Tallahassee, and James Robert Nelson, 36, of Palatka, were charged with manslaughter. Nelson also was charged with aggravated assault. Must’ve been a helluva hatch…..

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that’s why i gave up fishing for migratory species and started chasing resident trout in little streams…once you get past the need to catch the biggest trout in the world, everything opens up and you can start to have some fun…wahoo! Eugene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Item from this evening’s Capital Times (Madison, WI): FISHERMAN’S BRAWL LEAVES 1 MAN DEAD A man was killed Sunday in a brawl among six anglers vying for the same fishing spot. Craig Alan Buckley, 35, died on the Matanzas Bridge on Florida’s east coast. The cause of death was pending results of an autopsy, St. Johns County Sheriff’s officials said. Three men were arrested, including Buckley’s brother, David Todd Buckley, 37, of Peoria, Ill., who was charged with aggravated assault. Kenneth Eubanks, 39, of Tallahassee, and James Robert Nelson, 36, of Palatka, were charged with manslaughter. Nelson also was charged with aggravated assault. Must’ve been a helluva hatch…..

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Wonder how this ended up in a wis newspaper but I think a little geography lesson is called for. The Matanzas bridge is part of A1A, it spans the Matanzas inlet near St.Augestine. The inlet is a link between the Atlantic and the Intercoastal waterway. When conditions are right it is one of the most productive fisheries in the country, with actively feeding fish of every south eastern variety. Unfortunately the bridge is also wall to wall with fishermen from all over usually jockeying for position over the channel and tempers do flair. So it may have been a case of justifiable homicide. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Item from this evening’s Capital Times (Madison, WI): FISHERMAN’S BRAWL LEAVES 1 MAN DEAD A man was killed Sunday in a brawl among six anglers vying for the same fishing spot. Craig Alan Buckley, 35, died on the Matanzas Bridge on Florida’s east coast. The cause of death was pending results of an autopsy, St. Johns County Sheriff’s officials said. Three men were arrested, including Buckley’s brother, David Todd Buckley, 37, of Peoria, Ill., who was charged with aggravated assault. Kenneth Eubanks, 39, of Tallahassee, and James Robert Nelson, 36, of Palatka, were charged with manslaughter. Nelson also was charged with aggravated assault. Must’ve been a helluva hatch…..

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Wonder how this ended up in a wis newspaper

I read it this morning in the SF Chronicle.

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John, Good to see ya back. Did ya git any big bucketmouths in the Johns this year? Was it the Bridge of Lions where the homicide occured? I don’t recall catwalks on that bridge…… I always liked fishing down stream from there….. by the old fort on the south end below crescent…. jesus, i’m getting old, can’t ‘member the name. I’m coming down to Jax for xmas….. hope to wet a line somewhere…. most likely Palm Coast area. tight lines ya old salty dog, walt

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NO, the bridge at matanzas inlet by all accounts, when the tide changes there every thing from massive tarpon to sea trout go into a feeding frenzy on bait fish from the intercoastal. I like to fly fish for flounder from the sand flats there. You might try it when you come down, it’s a blast. a good minnow on a floating line and slow retrieve work well. Minimum gear is 7wt with 5lb tippit. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John, Good to see ya back. Did ya git any big bucketmouths in the Johns this year? Was it the Bridge of Lions where the homicide occured? I don’t recall catwalks on that bridge…… I always liked fishing down stream from there….. by the old fort on the south end below crescent…. jesus, i’m getting old, can’t ‘member the name. I’m coming down to Jax for xmas….. hope to wet a line somewhere…. most likely Palm Coast area. tight lines ya old salty dog, walt

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Yes, but it’s unethical… Chas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it still legal to report Florida news outside of the state? <g — Charlie…

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Jim Rome (sp) did a very funny take this morning on the topic. Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wonder how this ended up in a wis newspaper I read it this morning in the SF Chronicle. My wife saw it in the Buffalo News (Buffalo, NY). Is it still legal to report Florida news outside of the state? <g — Charlie…

The reason I wondered is. Why the interest in one Fl. dead guy ? Guess there are no killings in those states, Hell I wouldn’t wear a new pair of sneakers in most parts of Detroit and I bypassed NY city on my way to Vermont. On those trips I also removed NRA decals to keep from being ILLEGALLY stopped and searched in N.J. John Popp

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On those trips I also removed NRA decals to keep from being ILLEGALLY stopped and searched in N.J.

You kiddin me?   You’ll arm with guns yourself to support your 2nd Amendment right but are too panty-waisted to leave stickers in your window to stand up for the First & Fourth?   <vbg Joe F.

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I usually travel armed. the NJ highway patrol had made an official announcement that dispite the law or courts, "anyone carrying guns into the state would be arrested and guns confiscated". I felt it prudent to not try the system with my meager income. I did place my NRA hats on the dash and back shelf while transversing other states. By the way they were better seen and I got a lot of honks and did a lot of friendly waving. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On those trips I also removed NRA decals to keep from being ILLEGALLY stopped and searched in N.J. You kiddin me?   You’ll arm with guns yourself to support your 2nd Amendment right but are too panty-waisted to leave stickers in your window to stand up for the First & Fourth?   <vbg Joe F.

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Hello lost a 3lb+ fish in a tourney the other day, throwing a tube on 8lb test Trilene XL. Hooked into her, watched her jump once and saw the size, immediately loosened the drag, then a couple seconds later, the fish was gone. Could have been a weak spot in the line, but I am guessing the line was frayed on rocks or something else under water as the fish was running. Does anyone else use 8lb test in tourneys for spinning finesse situations, or should I go higher? How about any super lines in the same test diameter. Don’t want any more breakoffs! I also need a line with high visibility out of water and limited visibility under. Thanks to all. John

I use 4/10 FireLine for all my spinning requirements with the exception of slip bobbers.  I catch walleye and smallmouth in clear water without problem.  What I really like is when I fish the cribs and brushpiles.  The FireLine has the needed strength to pull them away from cover. —

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Does anyone else use 8lb test in tourneys for spinning finesse situations, or should I go higher?

I had the same problem with XL.  Now I use 10lb XT on all my spinning gear, it’s tougher and a lot more abrasion resistant.   Chad

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Thanks Graig… brought back some of my own memories!!…Now I got the tears…. Fishing Couldn’t be finer in South Caroliner! * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Craig Baugher wrote!! my buddy got too close and I hooked him in the crotch with three sets of treble hooks, and him saying "Oh God, pleaseeeee, don’t let him set the hook" Good one Craig!!! ROTFLMAO Abe Watson

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Right after I bought my new 7′6" Flipping stick, I smacked myself right in the face with a two pound bass on the hook-set.  I was so shocked, I almost fell out of the boat.

Talk about rippin’ lips…wow…beats the heck out of my setting the hook to soon and having a Spittin’ Image wiz past my head. — Early to Bed, Early to Rise…    Fish all Day, Make up Lies    Shawn

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Been There. . . Done That! The best was when I was fishing with a friend in a small 16′ tracker.  I was using a 7′ rod trying to skip a jerkbait under overhanging brush when my buddy got too close and I hooked him in the crotch with three sets of treble hooks, and him saying "Oh God, pleaseeeee, don’t let him set the hook" (I’m crying thinking about it).  You would’ve had to been there and seeing the look on his face, his stance, and him going "I’m afraid to move, Oh God, I’m afraid to move!  I know those hooks are as sharp as a razor blade!".  I was laughing so hard and he just standing there blabbing away.  "What are you laughing at! I can feel the points on those hooks in places they’re not suppose to be!".  I really did feel bad, but I couldn’t stop laughing., and the more afraid he got, the harder I laughed.  I finally suggested he slowly take off his pants so that we could remove the lure from his pants.  As he started taking his pants off, sure enough, one hook went through his jeans and underwear very close to his scrotum.  I handed him a pair of wire cutters to cut the hook off.  Every time I think about that day, I laugh so hard I cry.  You know, come to think about it, we haven’t fished together since that day.  I’m going to have to ask him if he wants to go fishing next time I see him. (I’m crying) — Craig Baugher — Craig Baugher

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I must sound like a broken record by now, but I am passionate on this subject. I fish Flame Green Fireline exclusively on all my rigs, except for fly fishing of course. Other than being a little noisy, I think it is great. On the three spinning rigs I use regularly, I am rigged with 10#, 14# and 20#. On each I use 10′ long mono or fluorocarbon leaders of matching strength attached with blood-knots, although dual uni-knots would surely do as well. I love these setups because they cast incredibly well, are extremely reliable (I change leaders only once daily), cost effective (I have yet to change the Fireline on any reel), knot strength and integrity is great, visibility is superb and the sensitivity is such that I can feel a minnow fart from 20′ away. I leave my drags set reasonably and have never knowingly lost a fish as a result of lack of line stretch. I do have to stay conscious and sober when fishing so I don’t over-react and force things, but that is a small price to pay. I just don’t see a reason to compromise all these virtues just because I am afraid of pulling a hook out of a fish’s mouth, which I believe is usually avoidable. I promise not to repeat this diatribe for at least a week.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi John, I tournament fish quite a bit (7 since May 27) and do pretty well (Redman, Federation, Angler’s Choice, Opens, etc.).  Out of the seven I have fished so far, I was only out of the top 5 in one (15th place).  The reason I mention my record is because I don’t  use anything below 10 pound test.  I have become convinced that the only one who cares what line size we use is us, the fish don’t appear to care at all. But confidence is an important factor in successful fishing, and if you are not convinced that heavy line will catch fish, it won’t. On my spinning rods, I use 10 pound in ultra clear water and 12 or 14 pound test in must situations.  In my baitcasters, I use 17, 20, and 25 pound test.  I mostly use Trilene XT (Green), except I do have one flipping stick spooled with 17 Pound Vanish for flipping clear water.  I have to admit, I was nervous about going heavy at first.  But now, I love it.  That’s because I now have an extremely high confidence that once a fish is hooked, it’s coming to the boat.  Break offs are a thing of the past. But I do have to warn you about flipping with heavy line, especially on a short flip.  Fish Fly On Hook-set.  Right after I bought my new 7′6" Flipping stick, I smack myself right in the face with a two pound bass on the hook-set.  I was so shocked, I almost fell out of the boat. — Craig Baugher

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It’s our 2-year anniversary this weekend, and hubby and I had decided a couple of weeks ago that we’d go out to a nice restaurant for dinner.  Well, 2 nights ago he said he wanted to make a weekend of it and we could take a short trip somewhere.  I was so excite because 1) he never wants to take trips; and 2) I’d really been wanting to just get away for a couple of days for a long time coming, and this sounded perfect.  Well, this meant he’d have to work a late the rest of the week so he wouldn’t have to work this weekend.  I went to his work the night before and last night and helped out a bit.  I didn’t mind one bit even though I was having a bad week myself.  I just kept saying, just think of this weekend.  So I was really counting on it.  On our way home last night, I asked where he thought we could go this weekend.  He then said he was going to be too tired to go anywhere this weekend, and we’d do it next weekend.  I reminded him my mom was coming to visit that weekend.  So he said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never.   Believe me, every time we don’t have a definite date scheduled for something it never happens.  And we can’t schedule anything too far in advance now because of his erratic travel schedule. This has happenned before… where he’ll suggest something, get my hopes up, then it never happens.  Like this spring he suggested we take a weekend and go to one of the local resorts.  I said great.  Two weeks later when he hadn’t mentioned it further, I pulled out some brochures to look at with him.  He said he’d take care of the planning and not to push him on it (is looking at brochures pushing someone???).   Anyway, I never brought it up again, and the trip never happenned. To top things off, I went to the salon last night to lighten my hair (from dark brown -> medium brown) and I ended up blonde (kinda my fault, long story).  I’m going back this weekend to get it fixed (for free), but I have to sit through work today (including a meeting with the CEO of our company this morning) with blonde hair. OK, I feel better now.  Thanks for the ears.  Oh, and any advice on how to handle hubby’s lack of planning would be greatly appreciated. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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From: melissa >So he >said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never.  

Ooooh I HATE that!!  Here’s what you do. The moment he says, "let’s go" you ask, "where to?"  The idea is to get him on the upswing and strike while the iron’s hot.  Get as much info from him at this time, ’cause as the days go by there will be more of a chance that he’ll change his mind. Once you have an idea of what he prefers, you take it upon yourself to make all the arrangements.  Don’t ask him what he thinks about this or that during the planning period… just do it, but do keep in mind his likes and dislikes…. as in don’t plan on a beach resort getaway if hubby mentioned going to the mountains in that preliminary conversation. When everything is arranged (and paid for) present him with the plan. Be prepared for a tantrum… and even for the possibility that you won’t be going anywhere.  In that case, remind him that there go $X that you’ll never get back. Also, be prepared for hubby to reproach the fact that you went ahead and made all the plans without him.  That’s when you *calmly* tell him exactly how it makes you feel when he promises something and then doesn’t come through. Explain that you didn’t want to be disappointed again so you took it upon yourself to plan the trip.  If nothing else, you’ll get started on communicating  about the problem.  Maybe it’ll break him of the bad habit of blowing smoke up your ass.  Good luck.

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Melissa Quick, you have half a day to plan. Find a nice place that is not too far from home and relaxing. Pack your bag and his and as soon as he comes home, kidnap him. Tell him he has to do nothing just enjoy being with you and he can relax. Then drive off with him … Sorry, my imagination is running wild but I do feel for you. This is a hard situation to be in …. I think Gidget’s ideas are great though. Katie Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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melissa wrote: > reminded him my mom was coming to visit that weekend.  So he > said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never.

I can feel the disappointment oozing off the screen here on my end.   > Believe me, every time we don’t have a definite date > scheduled for something it never happens.  And we can’t > schedule anything too far in advance now because of his > erratic travel schedule.

Trent’s idea has merit (i.e., schedule non-refundable vacations, etc), but my guess is that you’re limited by his travel schedule.  If that’s the case, then you’ll have to gird yourself and dicuss how his behavior in this manner bothers you.  And THEN start scehduling non-refundable vacations!  :) > resorts.  I said great.  Two weeks later when he hadn’t > mentioned it further, I pulled out some brochures to look at > with him.  He said he’d take care of the planning and not to > push him on it (is looking at brochures pushing someone???).

It could be seen that way.  If he wanted to have children right now and you wanted to wait a few years, would his leaving a copy of "Parents" magazine laying around be seen as pushing by you?  Its all in the eye of the beholder.   You know what, though?  When you couple this vacation-ditching conduct with the cold feet house purchase, he does seem to have a thing about committing, though.  Its got to be exasperating. > To top things off, I went to the salon last night to lighten > my hair (from dark brown -> medium brown) and I ended up > blonde (kinda my fault, long story).  I’m going back this > weekend to get it fixed (for free), but I have to sit > through work today (including a meeting with the CEO of our > company this morning) with blonde hair.

Missie!  I think you look devine as a blonde!  If you’re serious about having it fixed this weekend, I’m sorely tempted to make a comment about your husband having a short window of opportunity for role-playing sex involving a blonde.  But sometimes discretion wins.  I won’t say anything!  :) > OK, I feel better now.  Thanks for the ears.  Oh, and any > advice on how to handle hubby’s lack of planning would be > greatly appreciated.

Have you read Passionate Marriage yet?  Its a given in marriage that the low desire partner controls the amount of any activity (in this case, vacationing). But you know what?  I don’t think its a low desire issue here…I think its a reluctance to commit to some course of behavior.  Why don’t *you* commit him instead (not to a mental institution, although I bet that’s crossed your mind Drew

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floridanewbie wrote in message

<37c0e0d7.117195…@news.flatoday.infi.net>… >On 23 Aug 1999 01:16:51 GMT, gidgeto…@aol.com (GidgetOliv) wrote: ><snip> >>What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing >>with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just curious… >Education involves so much more than just learning from books … how >about the social aspects of learning about different kinds of people, >getting along in groups and learning how to settle conflicts in an >acceptable manner?

There are many many schools where this doesn’t apply. I don’t think that the alternatives to public education sprang up purely because of doubts that the children were receiving anadequate education. I really think that there is more to it. These alternatives are a way of coping with situations that are otherwise intolerable for many. >Additionally, in a good classroom, the teacher will let the group >stumble around trying to solve problems or discuss aspects of an >assignment … even wrong answers or peculiar tangents contain much >useful knowledge .. that is missing in home schooling.

The qualifier there is "good classroom". They’re becoming more rare with each passing day. I know several good teachers who are very frustrated at the way things have developed over the past couple of decades. >Then there are the athletic aspects … unless home school parents have >a dozen kids, most physical activites involving teamwork can’t be done.

Sure they can – kids can still play hockey and baseball etc on the community teams. >Granted, if a person lives in the middle of an ice field in Alaska or is >otherwise isolated, home schooling beats no schooling but in general, >while people mean well, I suspect a great many kids are being ill-served >with such efforts.

The studies are showing (at least where I live) that home schooled children are on par or above children who are attending public, private, and charter schools. >Instead of yanking the kids out of school, find out >exactly what is being done and then supplement those efforts with the >things you think are missing.

What if it’s not the missing things that bother you? What if it’s the things that are being done? >By the way, I seriously doubt many parents are competent across the >board other than for the lowest levels of school …

I thinkmany parents don’t realize the work that is involved. Im’ not sure it’s a matter of competency but there is a huge time commitment for each passing grade. You work for it just as much (if not more) than your children do. >the first few years would seem to put the child at a big disadvantage >when s/he is thrown into the arena with kids who already know the ropes >and who have formed strong friendships.

One has to be very careful to introduce social situations whenever possible to avoid that type of scenario. — ….my two cents ….

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<19990822211651.24654.00001…@ng-ch1.aol.com>… >What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing >with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just

curious… It depends on the situation. It takes a lot of time (and I do mean a lot)… you have to be very careful that it doesn’t put a wedge between you and your kid(s) cause you’re now the parent and the teacher… kind of hard to find time to relax sometimes. The plus side is that you have a whole lot more input into your child’s education and you can be actively involved in shaping their future. You might want to check out the area that you live in to see what kind of support is given to homeschooling families. In our area, we have the full resources of the schools in our district as well as staff from the distance learning center. The newsgroups and your community papers will probably give you more of a lead about what’s available. Before you make the choice, you might want to check other options – like an online school,perhaps, where the kids have a teacher but you have the kids at home. It would help you decide which would be best if you know why you are looking for alternatives. — ….my two cents ….

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On 23 Aug 1999 01:16:51 GMT, gidgeto…@aol.com (GidgetOliv) wrote: <snip> >What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing >with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just curious…

Education involves so much more than just learning from books … how about the social aspects of learning about different kinds of people, getting along in groups and learning how to settle conflicts in an acceptable manner? In classrooms, students see that people learn at different rates and in different ways.  Some do better with quantitative methods while others thrive with qualitative methods.  Home schooling most likely will only use one method; that risks stunting the potential growth that might otherwise occur. Additionally, in a good classroom, the teacher will let the group stumble around trying to solve problems or discuss aspects of an assignment … even wrong answers or peculiar tangents contain much useful knowledge .. that is missing in home schooling. Then there are the athletic aspects … unless home school parents have a dozen kids, most physical activites involving teamwork can’t be done. Granted, if a person lives in the middle of an ice field in Alaska or is otherwise isolated, home schooling beats no schooling but in general, while people mean well, I suspect a great many kids are being ill-served with such efforts.   Instead of yanking the kids out of school, find out exactly what is being done and then supplement those efforts with the things you think are missing. By the way, I seriously doubt many parents are competent across the board other than for the lowest levels of school … to home school for the first few years would seem to put the child at a big disadvantage when s/he is thrown into the arena with kids who already know the ropes and who have formed strong friendships. Floridanewbie

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GidgetOliv asked: >What do you folks think of homeschooling

It has become a very popular alternative here in Alaska. It is working very well and has attempted to alleviate as many of the shortcomings as possible. We have one public school district (open state-wide) where you get a computer when you enroll and attend classes on-line. The homeschooled kids have their own graduation ceremony here in Fairbanks. We have 3 students in our karate school whose monthly dues are paid by the school district to satisfy their physical education requirement (or some other elective). It wouldn’t work for me, though. I am not confident that I have the right temperament to teach my own children. I don’t know whether I could be objective enough. — Sourdough sez: We would worry a lot less about what other people think of us, if we realized how seldom they do.

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From: floridanew…@hotmail.com  (floridanewbie) >trent_m…@hotmail.com (Trent) wrote: ><snip> >>–      What have you done to save your schoolchild this year? >Just sneaking in here Trent … >that list of things (security and safety) people should know about their >children’s schools is at Gavin deBecker’s site:

This post reminds me…. What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just curious…

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In article <11f733ec.1e956…@usw-ex0106-048.remarq.com>, melissa  <missie.johnsonNOcrS…@eudoramail.com> wrote: >It’s our 2-year anniversary this weekend, and hubby and I >had decided a couple of weeks ago that we’d go out to a nice >restaurant for dinner.  Well, 2 nights ago he said he wanted >to make a weekend of it and we could take a short trip >somewhere.  I was so excite because 1) he never wants to

Well… I would have gone anyway.  Yes, even if that meant going by yourself.  Because you know why… I get the feeling that this scenario plays itself out again and again because nothing otherwise happens.   Yes, I would have said, "Oh, that’s too bad. Will you really be too tired? Oh, well, I’m going to go.  I really wish you’d come to." Then do it. He either would not have come, in which case you could have had a nice relaxing weekend to yourself. If he had come, then you would have rousted him out of his old lazy habits, and the two of you could have had a great time. He "ruins" things for you so often because in a way, you let him. amy — alyo…@bluemarble.net                   http://www.bluemarble.net/~alyoung                         Speaking only for myself.

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I’m not a big fan especially after 3-4th grade because the kids get educaion from various people who are trained very highly in the subjects they’re teaching.  There’s no way I have the resources to give my child the kind of round education in music, chemistry, and algebra that three different teachers who have degrees to teach these specifics can.  I’m a big supporter of private and magnet schools. Tamara – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> GidgetOliv said… > This post reminds me…. > What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing > with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just curious…

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Nothing serious but sometimes people refuse to do things if they have problems with strangers. I mean maybe he gained weight and he doesn’t like to see people, maybe he doesn’t have nice out fits, maybe he doesn’t like the car..etc U know anything and it could be nothing but being busy with work. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I think for some people homeschooling could work out. The people who I know who homeschool have had all good things to say, and their kids have ended up doing great on their SAT’s and in college. Personnally though, I would love to be able to teach my kids and have that family time before they grow up and move on. But, I don’t think I could do justice to their education. I am well educated, and excelled in school, but kids today are learning more, and learning it different then I did even 10 yrs. ago. I also think that kids have to experience the socializing with their peers. I hate when kids are teased, and the bickering that goes on amongst the children at school, but I also realize that kids learn how to adjust, and learn that in their life they are going to run into people that don’t see eye to eye with them. I don’t believe that school is only for education. School teaches you life, socialization, and commitments, and responsibilities. Just my 2 cents worth momalot – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -GidgetOliv wrote: > From: floridanew…@hotmail.com  (floridanewbie) > >trent_m…@hotmail.com (Trent) wrote: > ><snip> > >>–      What have you done to save your schoolchild this year? > >Just sneaking in here Trent … > >that list of things (security and safety) people should know about their > >children’s schools is at Gavin deBecker’s site: > This post reminds me…. > What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing > with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just curious…

– ned!

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do something for yourself…..go to a movie go shopping just do something gary

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Sorry I misunderstood.  I realize that some people just like to get to where they’re going and not have to bothered with the details. I Agree with you!  I think we all feel that way sometimes about something. But if this guy is this way.  Why does he seem to get so pissed when she tries to take the initiative?  Also, the worries about whether you can afford it or not might be valid.  Can you afford these trips Melissa?  Are you 100% aware of all financial situations in your marriage?  Make sure you know all about his and your debt and responsibilities.  Because, If he works like a dog for a vacation and you help.  Then, all of the sudden he is too tired to go and worried about the money. There might be something he is afraid to share.  Maybe he is just more worried about spending or working up debt on the credit cards or something.  You should save for a vacation.  Not just up and go and think you will just put it on the "card" and pay for it later.  This is how you get upside down in debt.  Be careful, I think lots of relatively new marriages have these problems. L8R, Carl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -GidgetOliv wrote: > From: Carl mcent…@earthlink.net > >Yeah, or maybe he’ll just start blowing all of his vacation days from that > >point on > >fishing with the guys.  I would be careful dropping that kind of bomb on a > >guy. > Absolutely!  But I never meant for her to keep it a secret… just to take him > up on it but be in charge of all the planning. > My partner does this every year… he’s usually the one to suggest vacation > destinations, but I’m the one who gets to do all the booking and planning. > Not complaining in the least, as I realize that some people just like to get to > where they’re going and not have to bothered with the details.

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>I >do like the idea of planning something myself with advance >notice from him.  He wouldn’t be thrilled, but as long as it >wasn’t something he’d openly opposed… he’d go along with >it.

Some people just don’t like the element of surprise.  You can always tell him that "his" idea to get away is an excellent one, and that he shouldn’t worry because you’ll take care of the arrangements.  That way you won’t be surprising him with plans "out of the blue" Also, you mentioned that he whines about whether or not you can afford it.  It got me thinking… maybe during that first conversation, when he says "let’s get away" you could say "I don’t know… can we afford it?"  If it’s *his* idea to get away, he might come back with something like, "Sure we can… we’re just talking [blank] bucks or so."  If he does, then you can use his figure and plan around that budget.  Then if he whines, you remind him that it was all his idea in the first place.  :)

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On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:37:06 GMT, trent_m…@hotmail.com (Trent) wrote:

<snip> >–      What have you done to save your schoolchild this year?

Just sneaking in here Trent … that list of things (security and safety) people should know about their children’s schools is at Gavin deBecker’s site:   http://www.gdbinc.com/ Floridanewbie

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> Can you afford these trips Melissa?  Are you 100% aware of > all financial situations in your marriage?

Yes, we can afford the kind of weekend trip he was talking about.  About our financial situation, I know more about it than he does… I’m the bill payer in the house, and I see everything, from credit card info to checkcard info to what checks went where. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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What about planning something that you can afford? Trade houses with a family member or friend out of town? Even a picnic can be a getaway if you plan right. There are specials posted on the web for hotels and stuff….. last minute deals……. usually the ones in your own town are quite reasonable. — ….my two cents …. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -melissa wrote in message <0221c012.928fa…@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com>… > Besides, the last time I surprised him with a night away >from home, all he did was whine about whether or not we >could afford it.  It really ruined the evening.

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From: Carl mcent…@earthlink.net >Yeah, or maybe he’ll just start blowing all of his vacation days from that >point on >fishing with the guys.  I would be careful dropping that kind of bomb on a >guy.

Absolutely!  But I never meant for her to keep it a secret… just to take him up on it but be in charge of all the planning. My partner does this every year… he’s usually the one to suggest vacation destinations, but I’m the one who gets to do all the booking and planning. Not complaining in the least, as I realize that some people just like to get to where they’re going and not have to bothered with the details.

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Yeah, or maybe he’ll just start blowing all of his vacation days from that point on fishing with the guys.  I would be careful dropping that kind of bomb on a guy. Doing it in stages might be better.  For instance, if you have to fly, mention you purchased the airline tickets for the "trip" today (get the kind you can schedule departure after the fact).  Then ask when it would be a good time to sit down and figure out the dates so you can schedule the departure and hotel reservations. Then, at the point you notice his interest is peaking and he has accepted the fact you are going.  Ask him to help plan or investigate some activities to do while you are there and express that you want to make sure you do things he would like. Carl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -GidgetOliv wrote: > From: melissa > >So he > >said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never. > Ooooh I HATE that!!  Here’s what you do. > The moment he says, "let’s go" you ask, "where to?"  The idea is to get him on > the upswing and strike while the iron’s hot.  Get as much info from him at this > time, ’cause as the days go by there will be more of a chance that he’ll change > his mind. > Once you have an idea of what he prefers, you take it upon yourself to make all > the arrangements.  Don’t ask him what he thinks about this or that during the > planning period… just do it, but do keep in mind his likes and dislikes…. > as in don’t plan on a beach resort getaway if hubby mentioned going to the > mountains in that preliminary conversation. > When everything is arranged (and paid for) present him with the plan. Be > prepared for a tantrum… and even for the possibility that you won’t be going > anywhere.  In that case, remind him that there go $X that you’ll never get > back. > Also, be prepared for hubby to reproach the fact that you went ahead and made > all the plans without him.  That’s when you *calmly* tell him exactly how it > makes you feel when he promises something and then doesn’t come through. > Explain that you didn’t want to be disappointed again so you took it upon > yourself to plan the trip.  If nothing else, you’ll get started on > communicating  about the problem.  Maybe it’ll break him of the bad habit of > blowing smoke up your ass.  Good luck.

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> Find a nice place that is not too far from home and > relaxing. Pack your bag and his and as soon as he comes > home, kidnap him. Tell him he has to do nothing just enjoy > being with you and he can relax. Then drive off with him > …

As much as I’d *love* to do this, I don’t think he’d be too happy at all, which would cause him much misery on what should be a happy occasion.  Just the fact that I went ahead and planned something he’d nixed would really piss him off.  Besides, the last time I surprised him with a night away from home, all he did was whine about whether or not we could afford it.  It really ruined the evening. Thanks for the advice though you guys, I appreciate it.  I do like the idea of planning something myself with advance notice from him.  He wouldn’t be thrilled, but as long as it wasn’t something he’d openly opposed… he’d go along with it. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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> Missie! I think you look devine as a blonde! If you’re > serious about having it fixed this weekend, I’m sorely > tempted to make a comment about your husband having a > short window of opportunity for role-playing sex involving > a blonde. But sometimes discretion wins. I won’t say > anything!

Thanks for the discretion, Drew.  Actually, I’m at auburn now (I had it fixed just a little while ago).  Not what I wanted, but not blonde, either.  You’ve gotta understand, I’m definitely not one of those complexions that is good for blonde hair.  My natural hair color is so dark a brown it’s almost black!  Anyhow, I like the auburn… I feel much much better. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Well, then go off and have a fun weekend by yourself. If he insists on spoiling things, don’t allow yourself to be dragged down to his level. Yes, it’s your anniversary … he’s shown a disregard for your feelings in this matter. Take yourself to a nice hotel or B&B, snuggle up with a brandy and a good book, and spoil yourself. –Welmoed

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Melissa, what would happen if you planned the weekend…Get flowers, dress the house up a little with decorations like it was someplace else.  Then, make sure you send up a flare to the families/friends that call often to resist unless it’s an emergency.  Get a new cute "lingerie" type item and have a romantic dinner planned with his favorite meal.  It could be pizza by candlelight if that’s what he loves.  Then, during the evening maybe post-meal while your stomachs are settling, before the "passionate replay of the consummation of your marriage", mention how you wanted to give him a "weekend away" without the hassle of traveling somewhere and that you hope he would try harder to plan a short trip somewhere for you soon.  I for one would love this myself…maybe I should keep a copy of this for my wife. Good luck, Carl P.S.  All marriages have bumps and you shouldn’t feel bad about maybe seeking some biblically based counseling to help with your communication skills and understanding each others different needs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -melissa wrote: > It’s our 2-year anniversary this weekend, and hubby and I > had decided a couple of weeks ago that we’d go out to a nice > restaurant for dinner.  Well, 2 nights ago he said he wanted > to make a weekend of it and we could take a short trip > somewhere.  I was so excite because 1) he never wants to > take trips; and 2) I’d really been wanting to just get away > for a couple of days for a long time coming, and this > sounded perfect.  Well, this meant he’d have to work a > late the rest of the week so he wouldn’t have to work this > weekend.  I went to his work the night before and last night > and helped out a bit.  I didn’t mind one bit even though I > was having a bad week myself.  I just kept saying, just > think of this weekend.  So I was really counting on it.  On > our way home last night, I asked where he thought we could > go this weekend.  He then said he was going to be too tired > to go anywhere this weekend, and we’d do it next weekend.  I > reminded him my mom was coming to visit that weekend.  So he > said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never. > Believe me, every time we don’t have a definite date > scheduled for something it never happens.  And we can’t > schedule anything too far in advance now because of his > erratic travel schedule. > This has happenned before… where he’ll suggest something, > get my hopes up, then it never happens.  Like this spring he > suggested we take a weekend and go to one of the local > resorts.  I said great.  Two weeks later when he hadn’t > mentioned it further, I pulled out some brochures to look at > with him.  He said he’d take care of the planning and not to > push him on it (is looking at brochures pushing someone???). > Anyway, I never brought it up again, and the trip never > happenned. > To top things off, I went to the salon last night to lighten > my hair (from dark brown -> medium brown) and I ended up > blonde (kinda my fault, long story).  I’m going back this > weekend to get it fixed (for free), but I have to sit > through work today (including a meeting with the CEO of our > company this morning) with blonde hair. > OK, I feel better now.  Thanks for the ears.  Oh, and any > advice on how to handle hubby’s lack of planning would be > greatly appreciated. > Melissa > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hi! Not to spark a debate or anything, but I

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Could anyone out there tell me what you need to preserve feathers? A friend told me that you could preserve them with borax.  We have not yet been able to come up with a mixture ratio for this material.  Are there other preservatives which could be used? First task is to remove all fat or flesh from the skin.  When this is done, some tyers do not bother with any preservative, since they are not going to use the skin for any purpose, i.e. it does not need to stay flexible.

No, but it does need to be bug resistant.  I find that soaking bird or mammal skins in a saturated borax solution* and then drying them in a tray full of borax bug-proofs them without the use of anything smelly or toxic. *Fill a pail with hot water.  Add borax (plain unscented washing soda) and stir.  Keep adding borax until no more will dissolve.  Cool to room temperature. Soak your skins. Keep your stick on the ice, Thos.

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Could anyone out there tell me what you need to preserve feathers?

snip….. snip…. No, but it does need to be bug resistant.  I find that soaking bird or mammal skins in a saturated borax solution* and then drying them in a tray full of borax bug-proofs them without the use of anything smelly or toxic. *Fill a pail with hot water.  Add borax (plain unscented washing soda) and stir.  Keep adding borax until no more will dissolve.  Cool to room temperature. Soak your skins.

Here’s another method that has worked well for me. Scrape all fat off the underside of the skin. Tack the skin to a board or piece of cardboard with the feathers down. Make sure the feathers are dry and arranged the way you want them before you do this. Sprinkle dry borax on the scraped skin surface covering all exposed skin. Be generous with the Borax. It will absorb water out of the skin. I kind of pile it on. Let it sit out for a few days to a few weeks. I don’t know the minimum time because I often set these out in the garage or basement and forget them for a while. A low humidity area would be best. When the skin is crinkly dry, untack it and brush off the borax and you are done. For a final treatment, put it in a plastic baggy and run it through several freeze-thaw cycles in order to kill any remaining resident insects. Cheers. Jon

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I’ve used footpowder to "cure" moose hide and it really works. Don’t see why it wouldn’t do the same thing on capes :O)  It’s also inexpesive and goes a long ways. Keith P

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could anyone out there tell me what you need to preserve feathers? A friend told me that you could preserve them with borax.  We have not yet been able to come up with a mixture ratio for this material.  Are there other preservatives which could be used? Also,  I would like to dye some of the capes.  Have heard that you should dye at the same time the felts are being cured? Any information on this procedure would be very appreciated. Trout Bum.

I just use plain old course salt.  Just spread the salt generously over the hyde and lay out in the sun, feather side down of course.  The saly draws out the moisture and the sun evaporates it.  After the skin is dry I shake off the excess salt then dust with talcum powder.  I still have pelts from pheasant season of two years ago, works great for me.                                                         Spy in Hawaii

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Could anyone out there tell me what you need to preserve feathers? A friend told me that you could preserve them with borax.  We have not yet been able to come up with a mixture ratio for this material.  Are there other preservatives which could be used?

Hi BB, Years ago, I had some young customers that would go to the local live stock auction and bid on old roosters. They said they paid about $2 to $3 for live birds. They killed and skinned them. They tacked the skins feather side down, skin side up on a wood surface. They used salt to dry up and cure the skins. After they are real dry and stiff, I would put them into an airtight container or a big zip lock bag. As far as dying the feathers goes, you can use Rite or Vinyards(sp) dye. It is an art and not many do it well. The skin/feathers have to be clean, de-greased and moistened to except the dye. You put the dye into water and control the temperature so as to not ‘burn’ or ‘cook’ the feathers. I think we added something like rubbing alcohol to set the dye? You need very white hackle if you are looking for bright colors. Black is very hard to get. It can turn out purple. I hear about ‘cold’ dying processes. Good luck and have fun. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Hi, The method I used to preserve some pheasant skins was to scrape off as much fat as possible with a *non-serated edge* butter knife, stretch out and tack the skin feather side down, rub out and let dry with rock salt (usually 2 or 3 applications) and finally to cover the remaining almost-clean skin with borax. Then I let it dry in the garage for about 2 weeks.   Then I put them in a zip-lock bag.  Still have some of one skin left after ~12 years.

**SNIP** As far as dying the feathers goes, you can use Rite or Vinyards(sp) dye. It is an art and not many do it well. The skin/feathers have to be clean, de-greased and moistened to except the dye. You put the dye into water and control the temperature so as to not ‘burn’ or ‘cook’ the feathers. I think we added something like rubbing alcohol to set the dye? You need very white hackle if you are looking for bright colors. Black is very hard to get. It can turn out purple. I hear about ‘cold’ dying processes. Good luck and have fun.

To get a decent black with RIT dye you also have to add some brown into the mix.  Added a bit of Vinegar to set the dye (insturctions on the package). Like Bill said, you have to be careful with the temperatures (use a candy thermometer) or you can ruin some great feathers.   This is a very messy process but is worth the effort if you can’t get what you need locally and you can dye a bunch of stuff at once.  A.K. Best has a book out on dying materials that is quite good if your interested.                                   Good Fishing,                                         Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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Could anyone out there tell me what you need to preserve feathers? A friend told me that you could preserve them with borax.  We have not yet been able to come up with a mixture ratio for this material.  Are there other preservatives which could be used? Also,  I would like to dye some of the capes.  Have heard that you should dye at the same time the felts are being cured?   Any information on this procedure would be very appreciated. Trout Bum.

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Could anyone out there tell me what you need to preserve feathers? A friend told me that you could preserve them with borax.  We have not yet been able to come up with a mixture ratio for this material.  Are there other preservatives which could be used?

First task is to remove all fat or flesh from the skin.  When this is done, some tyers do not bother with any preservative, since they are not going to use the skin for any purpose, i.e. it does not need to stay flexible. Also,  I would like to dye some of the capes.  Have heard that you should dye at the same time the felts are being cured?  

See Eric Leiser’s Fly Tying Materials (1973) or other books.  The main points seem to be preliminary rinse with a mordant, to maximize dye’s effect, and then control of temperature to avoid cooking (the way egg white is transformed by high temperature.) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Hello I am from the Azores. Have you ever considered coming to these islands ? Guess what the climate isn’t so bad, the people are great. Nature is still nature. Good for paraglidings, snorkling, fishing, etc. Lots of folk festivals during the summer. The land owners are as a vast majority great. We hava never had major problems with them. Of course you don’t land on a field that has just been plowed or near a place where they are milking the cows, just common sense. Just ask all the world champions that have been here how much fun it was. Even though there isn’t much termal activity there’s still some great flying. There’s no competition, just fly for fun. If it’s not good for flying, no problem let’s all go for a swim in cristal clear waters. Two major paragliding events in the Azores. In June on the island of S. Miguel and in August on the islands of Faial and Pico. Camping is great fun. Inexpensive boarding houses or hotels. Let us know and we can get you settled. E-mail me if you need further assistance or information on Azorean paragliding web sites. Jo

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Hi, I will be going on a 6 day canoe trip into the Quetico Wilderness area in Canada in mid-July of this year.  Does anyone out there know what to expect?  I would be interested in any info about patterns, techniques for deep fish like walleye, or anything you think might help.  I will be doing the Cache Lake Loop out of Baptism Creek.  Should be loads of fun. Thanks. Chris

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Hi, I will be going on a 6 day canoe trip into the Quetico Wilderness area in Canada in mid-July of this year.  Does anyone out there know what to expect?  I would be interested in any info about patterns, techniques for deep fish like walleye, or anything you think might help.  I will be doing the Cache Lake Loop out of Baptism Creek.  Should be loads of fun.

        Boy, I THINK it was in this newsgroup, but it was possibly in the GPS NG (sci.geo.satellite-nav) or the rec.backcountry newsgroup where I just responded to a very similar question about the Boundary Waters in August. Thus you might want to go to Dejanews and do a search there for same for my (tiny) pearls of wisdom. (And, beyond that, in the rec.backcountry newsgroup if not this flyfishing one if you go back even a little way you’ll find tons of stuff addressing your question. I tried to summarize in the post I referred to above, and damned if I can remember what NG it was in. I seem to recall trying to talk quite a bit about flyfishing so I suspect it was in this NG, but I can’t be sure.)         Basically though, my point was that you should start thinking about smallmouth early in the morning and evenings off rocky shelves in the shallows, and pike in the weeds. There’s lots of ways to check to see if the lakes you are going to are primarily smallmouth or walleye, though the bigger lakes will have both. As to walleye, I don’t know about you but trying to flyfish any further than about 3-4 feet down just ain’t my idea of fun. To each his own though….         Good luck. Tom Burczyk

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I use deerhair poppers for smallmouth morning and evening. White gartside streamer weighed during day,also black woolyburger with a little red tinsel down the back. Try lead eyed woolyburgers with about 4 bass type hackles tied on as a tail fish it with long leader that has silicone on it you can detect the soft takes of walleye. have fun .. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I will be going on a 6 day canoe trip into the Quetico Wilderness area in Canada in mid-July of this year.  Does anyone out there know what to expect?  I would be interested in any info about patterns, techniques for deep fish like walleye, or anything you think might help.  I will be doing the Cache Lake Loop out of Baptism Creek.  Should be loads of fun. Thanks. Chris

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<<<<<I will be going on a 6 day canoe trip into the Quetico Wilderness area in Canada in mid-July of this year.  Does anyone out there know what to expect?  I would be interested in any info about patterns, techniques for deep fish like walleye, or anything you think might help.  I will be doing the Cache Lake Loop out of Baptism Creek.  Should be loads of fun. Thanks. Chris Hi.  I’ll be there, too, and if I see you I’ll wave. I usually have excellent luck catching bass and northerns in that area with a huge orange shrimp pattern that is actually a steelhead fly. Leeches or deer hair mice twitched through the reed beds are dynamite for large northerns, but don’t try that on a 5 weight. On the Seine River near there, I’ve caught blue gills and gigantic lake whitefish on caddis and Adams towards evening. I always see lots of dragonfly nymph shucks around and inch-long brownish mayflies with white wings on the cabin screens each morning. Walleyes are usually down too deep, but you might pick the odd one up in the shallows. I usually paddle into back bays and cast tight to the bank, around brush, next to weeds. P.S. I’ll be doing a reading at the Atikokan Public Library on July 8, so drop in if you’re in the neighbourhood.

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Ditto the last post–also– Keep your attention focused on points, especially ones near deep water. To catch walleyes or northerns in the summer heat you will have to fish like a spin guy.  I like a shooting head line with a "float tip" (if this gets famous then I get credit).  Take your nymph line and rig a loop-to-loop with about six feet of the head section of an old floating line.  Alternative:  fish a floating fly on a sinking line.  Go to leader (a flat butt of 40 and then 30/20 and maybe a 12 pound tippet; it’s a tossup:  catch more walleyes or get cut off by northerns.)  If you have a depth sounder you’re more likely to score.  Pick the windiest point you can find near big water, or near the flow where one lake has necked down into another.  Make your cast down wind and drift with your sinking line then strip back across the wind or with it.  Use clousers or strip leeches–color may matter, and it may vary from chartreuse to black.  A black strip leech with a fluorescent orange head is my favorite.  To move walleyes you will probably have to be at least 12′ deep, and maybe as deep as 18′.  A rocky or gravelly flat that extends in deep water will almost always hold fish.  Move shallower on the same structure for smallies; move out over deep water but near the dropoff for big northerns. In the evening, stake out a likely flat near camp.  Get about a gallon of pure DEET.  As the light falls, make casts across the flat parallel to the deep water or across the wind and scrape the bottom in the same fashion. In the early morning (early:  first light) do the same.  In low-light conditions (or rain or fog) you may find walleyes in 6 to 10 feet of water; you will collide with all three species in that zone.  Also–in bays, especially if it’s warm and especially if the water is clear, make some casts with large topwaters such as hair bugs, bob’s bangers or other poppers, and large dahlbergs.  This may bring on smallies and northerns. If you tie, make up a few really huge dahlberg divers (6 to 8" range) as these are the best bet for big northerns. I’ll be on Basswood lake this year–no time for a really deep penetration of the parks.  Good luck! Dave

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T, Thanks for your thoughts regarding Mr. W. As I didn’t feel the need to expound on all of the details regarding this (minor) incident, I did mull over those issues that you mentioned.  It turns out that he was there when his talk was scheduled and our group did see him about an hour before his casting demo.  The floor manager is the person to pass along the info about his leaving and he was none to pleased.   Let’s just let put this one to bed and get back to fishing, which is the real reason for all of this drivel, Mad Dog

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I just got back from the San Francisco International Fly-Fishing Expo.  It was a great show with one notable exception.  Jose Wejebe chose to stand up the audience at a talk on salt water flyfishing and then to add insult to injury he left for Florida before his casting demo, again shortchanging showgoers who wanted to see him. A Sage rep filled in for him at the last moment and I credit the rep for doing the right thing. So much for Jose, just another big ego with no real knowledge of who makes celebrities exist at all… Mad Dog

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I just got back from the San Francisco International Fly-Fishing Expo.  It was a great show with one notable exception.  Jose Wejebe chose to stand up the audience at a talk on salt water flyfishing and then to add insult to injury he left for Florida before his casting demo, again shortchanging showgoers who wanted to see him. A Sage rep filled in for him at the last moment and I credit the rep for doing the right thing. So much for Jose, just another big ego with no real knowledge of who makes celebrities exist at all.

Don: I hold no brief for big ego celebrities, and think that the whole popularity of celebrity sportsman or celebrity whatevers is a one of the more distasteful aspects of our society (that is, for those who seek out such celebritydom) but don’t you think you might be jumping to conclusions based on one incident? I suspect Jose has family, friends, a life, etc., and for all that isn’t it possible a family member was ill, his house caught fire, his daughter was hit by a car, etc.? You might be right implying that it was no such thing, on the other hand, you might be wrong, and really smearing a decent fellow. Saw a quote once: "An intellectual is someone who’s mind watches itself." Seems to me in this case such watching might lead to using  a little imagination about what might have called Jose away before slamming the guy. At any rate…. T.

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I’ll be in Livingston, Montana Thanksgiving week.  Would like any recommendations on fishing in the area that time of year.  I know it’s cold, but being a steelheader, I don’t mind.  Thanks. Donald Albrecht A bad day fishing is still better than a good day at work!  <  <

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: I’ll be in Livingston, Montana Thanksgiving week.  Would like any : recommendations on fishing in the area that time of year.  I know it’s : cold, but being a steelheader, I don’t mind.  Thanks. I think you misspelled "…being a steelheader, I don’t *have* a mind". — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

DEAR DON:         Stop in and see my good friend John Bailey and/or the gang there.  They will not only help you, they will tell you what the action is, but where to go.  You  couldn’t ask for a better place to stop in.  It’s the same old location called "DAN BAILEY’S".  Hope this helps you Don. Sincerely, George Gehrke/Mr. Gink

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: I’ll be in Livingston, Montana Thanksgiving week.  Would like any : recommendations on fishing in the area that time of year.  I know it’s : cold, but being a steelheader, I don’t mind.  Thanks. I think you misspelled "…being a steelheader, I don’t *have* a mind". — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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I’ll be in Livingston, Montana Thanksgiving week.  Would like any recommendations on fishing in the area that time of year.  I know it’s cold, but being a steelheader, I don’t mind.  Thanks. Donald Albrecht

Hi Donald, The Yellowstone River should be good.  If your travel is limited then fish around the 9th Street island right in town.  It can be real good.   Another place to check out would be the fishing access site at Springdale.  Fish streamers down stream from there.  If you really want to get a feel for the river get the book Fly Fishing the Yellowstone River by Tom Travis & Rod Walinchus.  It covers the River from the Park to Billings and has suggestions for all months of the year. OR call Tom at his store The Master Angler 406-222-2273.  You can either get information or a book, maybe both.  Good luck and have lots of streams and warm clothes.  The fishing can be real hot and the weather the opposite. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I’m thinking of buying a Winston 9′ 6 weight rod. I’m interested in hearing peoples’ opinions about Winston rods. Does anyone know what the company means when they refer to "Winston action"?

I have a 9′ 2-piece 7 weight that I used for a week in Alaska (Wood- Tikchik State Park) last summer for rainbows, sockeye salmon, and arctic char.  The rod is a little slower than, say, a Sage, but it it really a pleasure to cast and especially to play fish with. It might not be as great for casting heavy or bulky flies in the wind, but it really is fun for most fishing.  A very distinctive feel and definitely plenty of muscle for fighting big fish. I also use that one a lot for bass bug fishing here in Iowa and just love it. Bob

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It might not be as great for casting heavy or bulky flies in the wind, but it really is fun for most fishing.  A very distinctive feel and definitely plenty of muscle for fighting big fish.

I love the Winston rods and use almost nothing else.  The one occasion to go to something stronger, however, is, as suggested, for bulky flies in the wind.  Other than that situation, however, the "Winston Action." is perfect for me. BTW, there has been thread on the Flyfish listserve that would indicate that Winston rods have a very broad and loyal following. Lyman Hughes                                               Dallas, TX                                               Ennis, MT

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I have two Winston Rods—they are "sweet."  I have an 8′ 3wt made from 1st generation graphite and an 8 1/2" 3 pc. 5wt.  The 3wt is my small stream, light action tool. It excels at small flies, fine tippets in the close to medium ranges, is ultra lite in the hand and will lay up to 65′ with a little effort…still pinpoin acuracy. My 5wt is for bigger streams. I prefer the 8 1/2" legnth over the 9′ for personal reasons.  The im6 graphite is a little faster, but is "sweet" to cast.  It feels so light in my hand and smooth on the cast it is a joy to use. I’ve fly fished for 18 years and these rods are the ones I’ll use till my last fishing day.  The comsetics, the Winston action are as allthe other posts describe.  Winston is the epitome of what a quality production rod should be and expect to pay dearly for it…then enjoy!  

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I’ve owned several winston rods, my 9′6" 6 wt.Graphite I, is my favorite. My idea of the "winston action" is a slower to moderate action rod, i.e. it bends deeply into the butt section. I find for me this action is the best. Your feeling on casting a rod is the most important element in buying any rod.

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I’m thinking of buying a Winston 9′ 6 weight rod. I’m interested in hearing peoples’ opinions about Winston rods. Does anyone know what the company means when they refer to "Winston action"?

Hmmm…I’m an incredible Winston bigot (consider yourselves warned!) – I own three of their rods and am eyeing a fourth (all of them are for freshwater use) – and yet I’m not certain how to convey the feel of their rods…But I’ll give it a go… First of all, they’re incredibly smooth, from tip to butt – a true progressive taper using IM6 graphite with resultant progressive action (using the standard jargon, I guess most freshwater Winston rods would be "medium/fast" to "medium" – though some of their short rods might be considered "fast"). A Winston loads easily enough to make a short cast, but has enough backbone to support you on those wind-fighting long reaches. Such are the hallmarks of a well designed progressive action rod… Speaking of the tip: Winston is known for their tip designs, and I don’t believe you’ll find a rod made by anyone that will protect fine tippets better than a Winston. I have no fear in using 7x-8x tippets in low/clear water situations even when I know there’s a good chance that a 3 or 4 pound landlock salmon or wild brookie will latch on. I’ve landed large fish using fine tippets under tough conditions that I just *know* were kept on the line as much because of the rod as my abilities. (Hey – that’s the way it should be – we’re partners! ;^) Regarding more aesthetic qualities: I defy anyone to show me an off-the-shelf rod that is better appointed and finished than any model Winston you might look at. They’re simply beautiful. You won’t find a cheap plastic winding check on a Winston, or aluminum or steel reel seats with PhonyWood ™ inserts – they use German Silver and exotic wood components instead. They use high grade cork for their grips, and high quality strippers, snakes, and tiptops. First rate stuff…And you’ll never find a rod wrapped better than a Winston – a flawless emerald green jewel… Besides my Winston collection, I also own a couple of GLoomis IMX rods (for AtSal & striper/bluefish/false albacore use), a Sage RPL (bassin’ and schoolies), and a full custom built on a GLoomis IM6 blank (backup trout/landlock rod). All very fine rods, well designed/manufactured for the tasks I use them for. But they don’t give me the same sheer pleasure to hold and cast as the Winstons do… If you’re looking for blinding speed – pass on the Winstons and get a GLoomis IMX. Otherwise, spend some time at your local shop’s "casting pool" (be it grass, asphault, or *real water* ;^) with a Winston… /dave (geeze – he sure does get carried away, don’t he? ;^) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <           "Read this and nobody gets hurt"           < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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I’m thinking of buying a Winston 9′ 6 weight rod. I’m interested in hearing peoples’ opinions about Winston rods. Does anyone know what the company means when they refer to "Winston action"?

I use the three-piece 9′ #6 model and like it better than any I have tried.  Three years ago it was the only three-piece model I could find and that is what I wanted so I cast it and it felt so nice that I saved my pennies and bought it.  Now there are other three-piece rods on the market.  In this price range you should try Scott too.  I could not tell the difference in action from the two-piece but if you hike or travel at all this is a real convenience. The Winston action is a soft tip with a medium, fully flexing butt, more reminiscent of classic cane than most of today’s fast stiff graphite. I mostly cast big loops because I use long leaders and often use two-fly rigs and big loops prevent tangling and this rod does that very well.  It also loads easily at short distances. If you fish a very tight crisp loop or need to cast for long distance as the primary consderation, you will like the stiffer rods better. Last year I hooked a steelhead over ten pounds unexpectedly on this rod, and had to try to horse the thing back up past a rock he had gone around and beyond.  I knew this was really abuse but held the reel tight and really put a bend in it, and found it had the power to do this (unfortunately later in the game the leader parted at the abrasion). I think the best word for Winston action is lively. Whether casting or playing fish, it feels springy and sensitive. I wholeheartedly recommend their rods. Mark Vinsel Visit my gallery: http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.HTML

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Have use Winstons for 15 years.  Fell they are the best rods onmarket.  Can handle a King Salmon on my 8 wgt.  Nice beause between a 4wgt and 10 wgt, they all cast the same. — Gene Dobrzynski, Eagle River, Alaska

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I have two Winstons, one of which is a 9′0 for 6 wt. three pc. This is a great rod. Like most of the other people who have responded to your inquiry I have several other rods (including cane) which are used for various situations but for a production graphite rod I think the Winstons are in a class by themselves. Before I bought the 6 wt I tried a Sage SP+ in  a 5wt. with a Wulff 5/6 Triangle Taper line which was very nice. Ultimately the Winstons superior aesthetics and more subtle action (the Winston Action!) tipped the scales in favor of the Winston. If you have already bought the Winston (or whatever rod you selected) enjoy it. If not, good luck withyour decision Bill Sadataki

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I’m thinking of buying a Winston 9′ 6 weight rod. I’m interested in hearing peoples’ opinions about Winston rods. Does anyone know what the company means when they refer to "Winston action"?

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"I’m thinking of buying a Winston 9′ 6 weight rod. I’m interested in hearing peoples’ opinions about Winston rods. Does anyone know what the company means when they refer to "Winston action"?" I am familiar withthe Winston rods.  I own a couple (including the 9′ 6wt) and have made several rods from Winston blanks for others.  Here are my thoughts. I very much like the Winston  rods.  The "Winston action" is a slow action that is true for all IM6 graphite rods, but is particularly smooth in the Winstons.  My favorite rods are the Winstons in the lighter weights.  The ones that I have made have been three weights.  Perfect mid-range, spring creek, dry fly rods.  O secondary importance, but also nice, is the fact that the deep green rods are absolutely beautiful. Two words of caution.  The softer action carries into the heavier rods as well.  this makes a 6wt a very nice rod for longer distances or a little wind when a lighter rod just won’t cut it.  But if you have a heavy wind, the "Winston action" just isn’t strong enough.  If you need an IMX, the IM6 just won’t do the job.  So if you are planning on getting the 9′ 6wt for heavy wind conditions, I would caution against it. Second, Winston just switched to its own factory for the manufacture of its blanks.  Before now, the blanks came from Loomis to Winston specs.  I assume (and have been assured by people at the factory) that the action of the blanks made by Winston will be the same action as the ones from Loomis.  Time will tell, but I have already made one rod with the new blanks, and it was perfect. (BTW, if you are near or in Twin Bridges, MT, go by the Winston factory.  Thepeole are very friendly and wil be glad to show you around.) Finally, although I am a big fan of the Winstons, you should try out any rod that you are considering buying if you are not familiar with the action.  What is right for one person may not be right for another. Good luck,                                               Dallas, TX                                               Ennis, MT

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