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October in Northern California

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Hi All, October is the month you want to take off from work so you can fish for everything we have in the state. With the kids back in school and hunting season started there are less people fishing. Many trout streams pick up with the cooler fall temperatures. Flows are low and there are fall hatches. Brown trout are moving upstream to spawn.(Upper Sac, McCloud, Pit, Hat Creek, Fall River, East Carson, East Walker….) Lakes are cooling off so the trout are coming back to the surface to feed up for winter. ( Davis, Frenchmans,Almanor, Eagle, Crowley….) There are steelhead and salmon in all the rivers open to the ocean. (Klamath, Trinity, Lower Sac, Lower Feather, Lower Yuba, Lower American….) The stripers are schooling in the Sacramento Delta and the black bass have become active with the cooler water temps of fall. I guess the only fisheries that is not going in the fall is the American shad ? Try to plan a good trip this October so you can enjoy some good fly fishing. With the cooler temps you can fish all day too. If you need help planning a good trip or need the name of a good FF guide just let me know. It is pretty hard to have a bad trip in October in California. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com Toll free USA 1-800-400-0359

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It is pretty hard to have a bad trip in October in California.

If this was from *anywhere* but CA, it wouldn’t have been near as funny. <g — TL, Tim

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THANKS – henry's fork flies and wayne's crabs

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not? Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person. An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River."

I think the possessive represents who owns the discovery, not who actually owns the river. We have a bird out here called the Clark’s Nutcracker. It was named by Clark. Besides, if you remove the apostrophe and keep the s it becomes a plural, not at all what was intended. Chas

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noted diver F Reid notes: out here got it bass ackwards. The hatches happen when the stinking sun is high and bright!

Come on up to the Tulpehocken when it rains, it is close to the only time I fish the place. I would note that cloudy(not rainy) days are by far the best on Penns for just the reasons Willi observed. just wanted to post into a thread whose title included Waynes Crabs, Tom

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BUZZ! Apostrophes are used to denote possession, literal or figurative. Thus, Deere’s tractors are those designed and or built by a company named after and or founded by one John Deere. Presumably (I know little of the history of this company or its products) John Deere himself once owned the entire company or at least a controlling interest. At that time it would have been natural to presume that all the tractors built by the company "belonged" to Mr. Deere in some reasonable literal sense. After his demise (or other divestiture in the company) none of the tractors would have belonged to him literally but still did so in a figurative sense. It seems unnatural to those of us familiar with said products to refer to them as Deere’s tractors because common usage dictates that they be referred to as "John Deere" tractors, but there are many other products who’s names do or at least could rely on the possessive apostrophe. Uncle Ben’s rice comes immediately to mind. Now, I don’t know whether the apostrophe is actually used on this product (instant rice is an abomination……it is not allowed in my pantry), but I suspect that no one would object to its use in this context……whether or not there ever actually WAS an uncle Ben to whom it may or may not have belonged. There are many other examples of the ambiguity of ownership. Beethoven may once have owned a fifth or even several, but the odds are that he drank the several (thus making ownership moot while doing nothing to resolve the question of apostrophe’s) and, given copyright conventions (or to put it more bluntly, the lack thereof) of his day, the other one pretty much ceased to belong to him the day it was first aired in public. And what are we to make of the apostrophe’s use? What exactly, does it own? Wolfgang

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… snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not? Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person. An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River." I think the possessive represents who owns the discovery, not who actually owns the river. We have a bird out here called the Clark’s Nutcracker. It was named by Clark. Besides, if you remove the apostrophe and keep the s it becomes a plural, not at all what was intended. I agree with you Chas. From what I understand, not using an apostrophe was just a convention that was adopted by topographers. I also think that it’s one of those rules that is "violated" so much that either usage is now correct. Willi

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Er, no. For example, if one actually owns the body of water (such as a pond or lake), then it would be "Clark’s Pond," as opposed to one simply named after someone. We have a bird out here called the Clark’s Nutcracker. It was named by Clark.

Are you sure? Maybe it named for Clark’s Nutcracker… Besides, if you remove the apostrophe and keep the s it becomes a plural, not at all what was intended. Chas

You’re actually a pair of Cha? TC, R

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not? Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person. An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River." BUZZ! Apostrophes are used to denote possession, literal or figurative. Thus, Deere’s tractors are those designed and or built by a company named after and or founded by one John Deere. Presumably (I know little of the history of this company or its products) John Deere himself once owned the entire company or at least a controlling interest. At that time it would have been natural to presume that all the tractors built by the company "belonged" to Mr. Deere in some reasonable literal sense. After his demise (or other divestiture in the company) none of the tractors would have belonged to him literally but still did so in a figurative sense. It seems unnatural to those of us familiar with said products to refer to them as Deere’s tractors because common usage dictates that they be referred to as "John Deere" tractors, but there are many other products who’s names do or at least could rely on the possessive apostrophe. Uncle Ben’s rice comes immediately to mind. Now, I don’t know whether the apostrophe is actually used on this product (instant rice is an abomination……it is not allowed in my pantry), but I suspect that no one would object to its use in this context……whether or not there ever actually WAS an uncle Ben to whom it may or may not have belonged. There are many other examples of the ambiguity of ownership. Beethoven may once have owned a fifth or even several, but the odds are that he drank the several (thus making ownership moot while doing nothing to resolve the question of apostrophe’s) and, given copyright conventions (or to put it more bluntly, the lack thereof) of his day, the other one pretty much ceased to belong to him the day it was first aired in public. And what are we to make of the apostrophe’s use? What exactly, does it own? Wolfgang

BZZT! Both John Deere and Uncle Ben’s are trade names, and so, they are meaningless as to the grammar, spelling, etc. – you could have "Clark’s Klarcs Barz," whose slogan is "Made with Uncle Ben’z Arrowz, so eat ‘em on Jonn Deare’s tractors…" TC, R

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Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. Willi Yah know Willi, I grew up with that. From California and Korea to the UK and Germany. Fishing ain’t worth a damn unless its cloudy with a bit of wind to break up the surface. Came out the the right coast, didn’t go fishing unless the day was cloudy so I could hit a hatch. Guess what, these suckers out here got it bass ackwards. The hatches happen when the stinking sun is high and bright! Jeez-O-Pete! I was here a year before I found a decent hatch. Can’t they do anything right out here? There was an argument about this earlier on ROFF but I believe that some insects hatch out more prolifically during inclement weather. BWO’s fit into this catagory. However, agree with that or not, trout don’t like bright direct sunlight. Especially in low clear water, trout are reluctant to come out and establish feeding stations to surface feed on a bright sunny day. The other day was a good example. I was out early and the fish were avidly feeding on emerging Trico duns. Then the sun became direct on the water and the feeding stopped even though the spinner fall that happened later resulted in more bugs on the water than when the duns were hatching and they were easier pickings because they are dead. Willi Willi

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in jan 2001, wally and i resorted to traveling up to tennessee to fish the watauga tailwater. all the streams in the mountains of nc were frozen over and unfishable – really. the only time we saw bugs coming off (wally says they were bwo) was when the sun shone for a while. the fish would get active and we’d catch the hell out of them. then the sun would go behind the clouds and the hatch would stop, along with the catch. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. Willi Yah know Willi, I grew up with that. From California and Korea to the UK and Germany. Fishing ain’t worth a damn unless its cloudy with a bit of wind to break up the surface. Came out the the right coast, didn’t go fishing unless the day was cloudy so I could hit a hatch. Guess what, these suckers out here got it bass ackwards. The hatches happen when the stinking sun is high and bright! Jeez-O-Pete! I was here a year before I found a decent hatch. Can’t they do anything right out here? There was an argument about this earlier on ROFF but I believe that some insects hatch out more prolifically during inclement weather. BWO’s fit into this catagory. However, agree with that or not, trout don’t like bright direct sunlight. Especially in low clear water, trout are reluctant to come out and establish feeding stations to surface feed on a bright sunny day. The other day was a good example. I was out early and the fish were avidly feeding on emerging Trico duns. Then the sun became direct on the water and the feeding stopped even though the spinner fall that happened later resulted in more bugs on the water than when the duns were hatching and they were easier pickings because they are dead. Willi Willi

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yeah, yeah…but i was talking about fork flies…<g. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not? Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person. An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River." BUZZ! Apostrophes are used to denote possession, literal or figurative. Thus, Deere’s tractors are those designed and or built by a company named after and or founded by one John Deere. Presumably (I know little of the history of this company or its products) John Deere himself once owned the entire company or at least a controlling interest. At that time it would have been natural to presume that all the tractors built by the company "belonged" to Mr. Deere in some reasonable literal sense. After his demise (or other divestiture in the company) none of the tractors would have belonged to him literally but still did so in a figurative sense. It seems unnatural to those of us familiar with said products to refer to them as Deere’s tractors because common usage dictates that they be referred to as "John Deere" tractors, but there are many other products who’s names do or at least could rely on the possessive apostrophe. Uncle Ben’s rice comes immediately to mind. Now, I don’t know whether the apostrophe is actually used on this product (instant rice is an abomination……it is not allowed in my pantry), but I suspect that no one would object to its use in this context……whether or not there ever actually WAS an uncle Ben to whom it may or may not have belonged. There are many other examples of the ambiguity of ownership. Beethoven may once have owned a fifth or even several, but the odds are that he drank the several (thus making ownership moot while doing nothing to resolve the question of apostrophe’s) and, given copyright conventions (or to put it more bluntly, the lack thereof) of his day, the other one pretty much ceased to belong to him the day it was first aired in public. And what are we to make of the apostrophe’s use? What exactly, does it own? Wolfgang

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Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. Willi

Yah know Willi, I grew up with that. From California and Korea to the UK and Germany. Fishing ain’t worth a damn unless its cloudy with a bit of wind to break up the surface. Came out the the right coast, didn’t go fishing unless the day was cloudy so I could hit a hatch. Guess what, these suckers out here got it bass ackwards. The hatches happen when the stinking sun is high and bright! Jeez-O-Pete! I was here a year before I found a decent hatch. Can’t they do anything right out here? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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… snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name.

Why not? Chas

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you’re one evil geezer…<g jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff Miller writes: …i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval Well, I hope there will be some dry fly action, Jeffy. It’s beginning to look like Fortenberry was right. The long term forcast calls for "snow showers" in that part of Idaho during the clave. Damn, Fortenberry, FORTENBERRY, was right. Looks like I’m gonna hafta rent the Humvee instead of the Lincoln. Why didn’t Warren warn us about this? d;o)

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… snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not?

Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person. An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River." TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Chas

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i will self-flagellate while facing southwest…<g jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval that he thought might garner a look from an idaho trout… thanks fellers… it’ll be fun fishin the flies you picked, and i can blame your poor selections if i don’t do too well. <g oh…and wayne hart sent me a box of his "crab" flies to test on the carolina redfish this fall. an interesting creation, and can’t wait to give em a try. thanks wayne… thought i’d give a public "thank you" simply to underscore a bit of the benefits of this place. jeff Ah…from the subject header, I thought your esteemed colleague had been, er, "Mercedes shopping in all the wrong places…" Weren’t sure why you were thanking him, though… <G…outside the box, doncha know… TC, R …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name.

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…i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval that he thought might garner a look from an idaho trout… thanks fellers… it’ll be fun fishin the flies you picked, and i can blame your poor selections if i don’t do too well. <g oh…and wayne hart sent me a box of his "crab" flies to test on the carolina redfish this fall. an interesting creation, and can’t wait to give em a try. thanks wayne… thought i’d give a public "thank you" simply to underscore a bit of the benefits of this place. jeff

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Jeff Miller writes: …i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval

Well, I hope there will be some dry fly action, Jeffy. It’s beginning to look like Fortenberry was right. The long term forcast calls for "snow showers" in that part of Idaho during the clave. Damn, Fortenberry, FORTENBERRY, was right. Looks like I’m gonna hafta rent the Humvee instead of the Lincoln. Why didn’t Warren warn us about this? d;o)

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Here’s a couple items for the Henry’s Forkers: An updated report has been posted to HF Anglers website: http://www.henrysforkanglers.com The flow is working it’s way down, but it’s still higher than last September so far. 900 cfs in Island Park would be ideal for waders: http://waterdata.usgs.gov/id/nwis/uv/?site_no=13042500&PARAmeter_cd=0… 060 And if anyone wants to send me some flies or a new 3 pc, 9′ 5 weight XP, I’ll try em out on the Fork The XP would be especially handy. bruce h

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -…i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval that he thought might garner a look from an idaho trout… thanks fellers… it’ll be fun fishin the flies you picked, and i can blame your poor selections if i don’t do too well. <g oh…and wayne hart sent me a box of his "crab" flies to test on the carolina redfish this fall. an interesting creation, and can’t wait to give em a try. thanks wayne… thought i’d give a public "thank you" simply to underscore a bit of the benefits of this place. jeff

Ah…from the subject header, I thought your esteemed colleague had been, er, "Mercedes shopping in all the wrong places…" Weren’t sure why you were thanking him, though… <G…outside the box, doncha know… TC, R …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name.

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…i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval Well, I hope there will be some dry fly action, Jeffy. It’s beginning to look like Fortenberry was right. The long term forcast calls for "snow showers" in that part of Idaho during the clave. Damn, Fortenberry, FORTENBERRY, was right. Looks like I’m gonna hafta rent the Humvee instead of the Lincoln. Why didn’t Warren warn us about this?

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RockTrout writes: Can you believe that long term forecast! The Climate Prediction Center shows above average temps and above average precip for that time frame.

Fortenberry knows that region very, very well. He spent all of his adult life there — what…. two years?…. so I’m *sure* it’s gonna snow. I wish Warren had warned us. d;o)

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Can you believe that long term forecast! The Climate Prediction Center shows above average temps and above average precip for that time frame. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/814day/ All in all, it looks like good streamer weather….. Long range forecasts like that are wrong as often as they’re right but cloudy days would be great for dry fly fishing for a number of reasons. IMO, BWO hatches are much heavier when there is cloud cover. The Olives will probably be the most prolific hatch while we are at Henrys. Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. The trout are less "fussy" during cloudy weather. You don’t need as good of a match. Trout are less spooky and wary and you can usually go with heavier tippet. If it’s cloudy, I’ll be fishing the ranch. Willi

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…i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… I think you’ll be pleased with Harry’s flies. The flies he offers are VERY well tied and many are different from "normal" ties which is especially good, IMO, on hard fished water like Henrys Fork. Willi

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What I need is a bunch of stupid trout It’s raining here right now- hoping to hit the Clarks Fork tonight- I understand the river has been something close to phenominal the last few days jh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you believe that long term forecast! The Climate Prediction Center shows above average temps and above average precip for that time frame. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/814day/ All in all, it looks like good streamer weather….. Long range forecasts like that are wrong as often as they’re right but cloudy days would be great for dry fly fishing for a number of reasons. IMO, BWO hatches are much heavier when there is cloud cover. The Olives will probably be the most prolific hatch while we are at Henrys. Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. The trout are less "fussy" during cloudy weather. You don’t need as good of a match. Trout are less spooky and wary and you can usually go with heavier tippet. If it’s cloudy, I’ll be fishing the ranch. Willi

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I would agree, if the clouds roll in I would think the BWO would be the ticket. The Wind, IMO, is more of a problem than no bugs…. HM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you believe that long term forecast! The Climate Prediction Center shows above average temps and above average precip for that time frame. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/814day/ All in all, it looks like good streamer weather….. Long range forecasts like that are wrong as often as they’re right but cloudy days would be great for dry fly fishing for a number of reasons. IMO, BWO hatches are much heavier when there is cloud cover. The Olives will probably be the most prolific hatch while we are at Henrys. Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. The trout are less "fussy" during cloudy weather. You don’t need as good of a match. Trout are less spooky and wary and you can usually go with heavier tippet. If it’s cloudy, I’ll be fishing the ranch. Willi

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MSNBC Dirty Tricks

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Despite many indications to the contrary, I still have faith in the rationality of the human animal. <g But you weren’t addressing one of those… <g

True – but give him credit for being half right…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Posted false winning of Florida by Gore to influence Western States like California, etc. while they were still open.< 1. George, ALL the networks were giving Fla. to Gore at that time. 2. IF there was a conspiracy, it was directed against Gore: lulling his western supporters into a false sense of security and energizing Bush voters to turn out to help offset the loss of Florida. Think about it. I did before I posted. It was a ruse to keep Bush voters away from poles. Think about it.

—- I knew it, you guys were going to get back to fly fishing, after all. Damn those Gore supporters keeping the republicans away from their fishing’s poles, or did you mean polls? —- Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other." – George Eliot

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It was a ruse to keep Bush voters away from poles.

Those damn safety nazis at it again? If Bush voters want to run into poles it’s their own damn business. , - Ken — "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself." -Ben Franklin

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Well, that’s one possibility. The other might be to lull last minute Bush voters in the FL panhandle into thinking their cause was lost. Why look for a conspiracy when stupidity and self-serving hubris are sufficient explanations? JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1. George, ALL the networks were giving Fla. to Gore at that time. 2. IF there was a conspiracy, it was directed against Gore: lulling his western supporters into a false sense of security and energizing Bush voters to turn out to help offset the loss of Florida. Think about it.

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Bellows writes: and dan rather… i don’t give a fuck how accurate historically your exit pollsters have been… they weren’t yesterday, and when a candidate is leading in the polls, you don’t call the race against them (washington senate race). Last election they had the wrong person winning the senate race in NH. Dan Rather announced it very early in the evening and later changed it without an apology. You are right about cbs sports too.

yeh, i’ve had a bug in my ass about their sports coverage since their coverage of the olympics… some things are unforgivable <G. cb

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Last election they had the wrong person winning the senate race in NH. Dan Rather announced it very early in the evening and later changed it without an apology. You are right about cbs sports too. Dave

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True – but give him credit for being half right…

I believe you meant half-there…< And I believe I mean fuck you.

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With 1% of the vote in, while the polls were still open in west Florida it was Bush 53 Gore 48, the networks decided Gore had won. The "data" is collected by one agency paid by the collective networks. It was an obvious bad call which was backed unchallenged by the nets. Only a call from bush headquarters made them check the figures-major WHOOPS, others followed.

well, it wasn’t just florida. the networks really need to get rid of any competitive urges from the elections. it’s not about who figures it out first, but being correct. that i know of there were three fuck ups… two in florida and one in the washington senate race. and dan rather… i don’t give a fuck how accurate historically your exit pollsters have been… they weren’t yesterday, and when a candidate is leading in the polls, you don’t call the race against them (washington senate race). i sure wish i got another channel besides cbs last night… they fucking suck at everything they do. their sports coverage sucks, their local news are parasites, the national news bores me to death.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Posted false winning of Florida by Gore to influence Western States like California, etc. while they were still open.< 1. George, ALL the networks were giving Fla. to Gore at that time. 2. IF there was a conspiracy, it was directed against Gore: lulling his western supporters into a false sense of security and energizing Bush voters to turn out to help offset the loss of Florida. Think about it.

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True – but give him credit for being half right…

I believe you meant half-there…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Posted false winning of Florida by Gore to influence Western States like California, etc. while they were still open. Federal Reserve, powers that be behind the Network scenes, responsible. Greenspan and cronies still control or trying to control elections and American People. No joke. Doesn’t look like it won’t work this time but MSNBC is a crooked operation in reporting the truth and breaking the rules. — MrG. *now* i understand the meaning of "psycophant". thanks, george. wayne

no that’s psychopath !!

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Well, that’s one possibility.

The other might be to lull last minute Bush voters in the FL panhandle into thinking their cause was lost. Why look for a conspiracy when stupidity and self-serving hubris are sufficient explanations?< Uhhh, I was responding to Gink’s "Greenspan Conspiracy Theory." *I* don’t need one, I was just offering one that I consider MORE plausible (as your’s is). Greenspan for Gore? Get a grip George.

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Despite many indications to the contrary, I still have faith in the rationality of the human animal. <g

But you weren’t addressing one of those… <g — Charlie…

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I did before I posted. It was a ruse to keep Bush voters away from poles. Think about it. — Mr.. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html (shop site) affordable bamboo flyrods & blanks

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you were doing fine, harry, until you

told him to "think about it". <g< Despite many indications to the contrary, I still have faith in the rationality of the human animal. <g

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Posted false winning of Florida by Gore to influence Western States like California, etc. while they were still open. Federal Reserve, powers that be behind the Network scenes, responsible. Greenspan and cronies still control or trying to control elections and American People. No joke. Doesn’t look like it won’t work this time but MSNBC is a crooked operation in reporting the truth and breaking the rules. — MrG.

*now* i understand the meaning of "psycophant". thanks, george. wayne

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Think about it.

Uh, Harry, I don’t think that will happen<g. — Charlie…

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*now* i understand the meaning of "psycophant". thanks, george.

And now *I* understand the definition of the word "serendipity." My newserver is *still* not sending me those posts! –Steve

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Harry B. writes: 1. George, ALL the networks were giving Fla. to Gore at that time. 2. IF there was a conspiracy, it was directed against Gore: lulling his western supporters into a false sense of security and energizing Bush voters to turn out to help offset the loss of Florida. Think about it.

you were doing fine, harry, until you told him to "think about it". <g dave l. (using lower case on my wife’s pc because my phone line is down….) Dave LaCourse

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Posted false winning of Florida by Gore

to influence Western States like California, etc. while they were still open.< 1. George, ALL the networks were giving Fla. to Gore at that time. 2. IF there was a conspiracy, it was directed against Gore: lulling his western supporters into a false sense of security and energizing Bush voters to turn out to help offset the loss of Florida. Think about it.

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An Old Technique

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My home river has been alternating on a daily basis between running high and muddy and high and clear with an amber tinge. When it is running amber, the fishing is pretty good, but with the heavy flows, traditional dry techniques aren’t productive. In this heavy flowing, colored water, I’ve been having good success with a technique that was shown to me by an old rancher about twenty years ago. The technique is a fun one and is often productive when the trout are reluctant to come up for traditionally fished dries. It’s a technique geared for fishing fast, heavy water. I use it mainly in pocket water, but it also works on the streamside edges of heavy, deep water and in around any obstructions in deep strong runs. The flies I use are a high floating dry with a wet fly or soft hackle on a dropper of about 2 feet. I generally use a dry about two sizes bigger than I normally would and use a fly two sizes smaller than the dry as a dropper. The dropper is optional but will result in more hookups. I’ll describe the technique for a pocket water situation where I mainly use it. Casts can be short or long, but since you can approach fish closely in pocket water, often surprisingly close, and short casts give you much more control, I use casts of under fifteen feet 90% of the time. The only time I use longer casts is when the water is too deep or heavy to get to an area I want to fish. I try to fish an area thoroughly, even spots where there doesn’t appear to be any rocks that could break up the current, but I concentrate the casts to run through any visible areas where larger rocks provide calm water cushions. I generally a cast up and across stream and immediately raise the rod tip to lift all the fly line off the water and get direct contact with the fly. I then begin dragging and skipping the fly across the current. I vary the action of the fly but the key is lots of action. When the flies get in a position just below me, I begin maneuvering them through each small pocket I can find. I skitter them upstream and down, back and forth through any pockets below. This technique will bring good fish to the surface that ignore more placid, traditional techniques. The quick moving flies result in strikes that are aggressive, vicious, slashing, fast, exciting etc. and you will get many more misses than hookups. Setting the hook at the strike usually results in pulling the fly away from the trout. Strikes need to be delayed but because of the tight line, the fish will usually hook themselves. Since there are a large percentage of missed fish with this technique, the feeding locations and holding areas that are revealed, need to be fished again. Since most of these missed strikes, refusals etc. are to the larger, more visible dry, the next thing I do is to try to maneuver the small dropper through the area trying to skip it across the surface. If this doesn’t work, I do a number of traditional drag free drifts through the area, paying close attention for hits on the dropper. This technique is definitely a kick when it’s working. It elicits strikes from trout more akin to those of a bass or a pike to a popper than a typical sedate sip to a dry. I tend to ignore the technique when the fish are rising to more typical techniques but maybe I shouldn’t. Willi Interesting technique Willi. I think most of us have used a similar

approach for pocket water, but not with a dropper, and not with a systematic plan. For me its been an approach used out of necessity at times for fishing pocket water, especially casting over currents or boulders. I’ll try it next opportunity. Pat K Before you buy.

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My home river has been alternating on a daily basis between running high and muddy and high and clear with an amber tinge. When it is running amber, the fishing is pretty good, but with the heavy flows, traditional dry techniques aren’t productive. In this heavy flowing, colored water, I’ve been having good success with a technique that was shown to me by an old rancher about twenty years ago. The technique is a fun one and is often productive when the trout are reluctant to come up for traditionally fished dries. It’s a technique geared for fishing fast, heavy water. I use it mainly in pocket water, but it also works on the streamside edges of heavy, deep water and in around any obstructions in deep strong runs. The flies I use are a high floating dry with a wet fly or soft hackle on a dropper of about 2 feet. I generally use a dry about two sizes bigger than I normally would and use a fly two sizes smaller than the dry as a dropper. The dropper is optional but will result in more hookups. I’ll describe the technique for a pocket water situation where I mainly use it. Casts can be short or long, but since you can approach fish closely in pocket water, often surprisingly close, and short casts give you much more control, I use casts of under fifteen feet 90% of the time. The only time I use longer casts is when the water is too deep or heavy to get to an area I want to fish. I try to fish an area thoroughly, even spots where there doesn’t appear to be any rocks that could break up the current, but I concentrate the casts to run through any visible areas where larger rocks provide calm water cushions. I generally a cast up and across stream and immediately raise the rod tip to lift all the fly line off the water and get direct contact with the fly. I then begin dragging and skipping the fly across the current. I vary the action of the fly but the key is lots of action. When the flies get in a position just below me, I begin maneuvering them through each small pocket I can find. I skitter them upstream and down, back and forth through any pockets below. This technique will bring good fish to the surface that ignore more placid, traditional techniques. The quick moving flies result in strikes that are aggressive, vicious, slashing, fast, exciting etc. and you will get many more misses than hookups. Setting the hook at the strike usually results in pulling the fly away from the trout. Strikes need to be delayed but because of the tight line, the fish will usually hook themselves. Since there are a large percentage of missed fish with this technique, the feeding locations and holding areas that are revealed, need to be fished again. Since most of these missed strikes, refusals etc. are to the larger, more visible dry, the next thing I do is to try to maneuver the small dropper through the area trying to skip it across the surface. If this doesn’t work, I do a number of traditional drag free drifts through the area, paying close attention for hits on the dropper. This technique is definitely a kick when it’s working. It elicits strikes from trout more akin to those of a bass or a pike to a popper than a typical sedate sip to a dry. I tend to ignore the technique when the fish are rising to more typical techniques but maybe I shouldn’t. Willi

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The Big One that Got Away

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Mark, Stay loose and keep trying.That’s why they call it fishing and not catching. You were going to C & R anyways. Correct pressure it’s just a matter of experience. You have to take into consideration if the fish is going upstream, down strean, how much string you have out, fish size.Just hang in there,have fun. Capt. Dan **** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ****

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Not to rain on your parade, but… <heavy downpour snipped

Most of your points are well taken. However, to make the story as interesting, yet as brief as possible, considerable details and irrelevent narrative were omitted from a long day of fishing. Had I included everything, I have no doubt you would be impressed with our ambassadorship for fly fishing, our sportsmanship, and the number of fish hooked and played by nearby anglers whist we stood by courteously and patiently when it was our turn to do so. You would also have been exceptionally bored. It’s a big river; and we neither monopolized any good holes, caught all the fish, nor substantially interfered with anyone’s enjoyment of the day. It was a fine day fishing for all; this story was but a snapshot of a moment. Lighten up, eh? If you were right, however, you’d have been right. Joe

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0] : Everybody see the theme happening here? "Put a little pressure on ‘em?" My : story: snipped: account of fishing for goldens : Still haven’t caught my first golden.. : -Mark : — Goldens aren’t hard to catch in wilderness streams provided they don’t see you first. They are ultra spooky. The whole secret is stealth. A six incher will scarf up a #10 Royal Wulff or just about anything else in your flybox, and there will be no question of being hooked up–he’ll be on. Just keep low, behind a bush or a rock–you don’t need a fancy cast, just get the fly on the water drifting reasonably. Actually I’ll suggest 14’s and 16’s are a more appropriate for the size of the typical golden, and are taken just as enthusiastically as 10’s. Mike — Michael McGuire Hewlett Packard Laboratories (remove x’s from email if not Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971 a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491

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My buddy and I were fishing the Salmon River (NY) last fall during the annual salmon run. We were there maybe a bit late for the peak of the run, and a lot of the fish in the river had been there a while and were a bit worn out. Not that it wasn’t fun anyway, but once in a while, we’d hook into a really fresh fish with tons of energy. These guys would take off like a freight train, jumping and taking you well into your backing going straight upstream. Using an 8 or 10 pound tippet on these big fish necessarily made for a long difficult fight, but we had learned from experience when we could safely "put a little pressure ‘em" and when to let ‘em run. The spinning rod guys, of course, had a lot less trouble dragging them out with 30# mono and so were somewhat impatient, but generally courteous, when we took our time bringing one in. On the last day of our trip, I worked a faster stretch, and my buddy was working a flat stretch upstream about 50 yards. We were both hooking up fairly often, but he was really nailing them. Every other time I looked up there it seemed, his rod was bent over while the spinning guys stood by with their lines out of the water. I didn’t realize how frustrated some of the other fishermen were with this arrangement until I hooked the big one. Fishing an egg pattern, I saw my line hesitate and set the hook. Instantly, the big salmon sprinted upstream, jumping three times on the way. "Fish coming up!" I yelled upstream, and a half dozen or so other fishermen obliged me by pausing their casting. The fish was so fast and strong, I quickly decided to walk upstream after him. He was already 100 yards away and my drag was still singing. That’s when I saw him. Not the fish, the guy with the net. This fish wasn’t even close to tired, but some nut case, tired of standing aroung waiting for another fly fisherman to land a fish, charged into the river and tried to scoop him out. As tight as my tippet was stretched, even the slightest bump with that net would have cost me the fish instantly. To my relief, he only succeeded in scaring the hell out of it and it sped across to the other side of the river. As I’m running up the shore to stop this guy, he practically sprints across the river (no small feat) in pursuit of my fish. He’s still too far away to stop him when the fish reaches the shallows on the far bank. The fish still has tons of strength left when "net man" get there. He takes one stab at the fish with the net and the fish sprints upstream again. My line wraps around net man’s legs and that was all she wrote. I was still too far away to even curse at the guy. I just walked back downstream and reeled in the slack.

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Everybody see the theme happening here? "Put a little pressure on ‘em?" My story: We were fishing in the 20 lakes basin of California. I am new to California fishing and newer to fly fishing, I grew up in Michigan. My buddy Paul and I had no trouble landing a couple delicious brookies the day before in the backcountry, and stocked rainbows from Saddlebag lake to days prior (my buddy Paul makes an excellent trout breakfast scramble). But we’re really looking for the gold.. Golden Trout. We try at several lakes and streams with no luck for goldens (just a brookie or two).. as we head further back into the backcountry, we come upon a stream that looks promising. The bank is about 10 feet above the stream.. and we approach low as the sun is high, though not high enough for us to cast a shadow.. and we see them. Goldens.. moving slowly left to right, slowing to inspect possible food sources (not rising) then continuing. Since we’re backpacking, I’m using a fenwick fly/spin rod that doesn’t excel at either but packs well.. and I tie on my nymphs one by one, throwing them from the bank (I am NOT a good flyfisher.. my casts still have the grace of a collapsing bridge), staying low.. and we watch them ignore our offerings. Paul (with only spinning gear) tosses out spinners and lures 40 feet downstream with no luck either. After an hour or two of fruitless fishing up and down the section of stream, we quit fishing to have some burbon and nutrition.. and we watch the Goldens pass by like we’re in some kind of twisted dentist’s office. Paul tells me about a pool he found downstream that might have a good evening bite.. so after a few hours of short hikes and exploring, I go back to camp, grab my gear and head to the pool. Paul is already there, watching the evening rise.. wishing HE had brought his fly gear. But Paul has proven why I like to pack with him.. he gives me first shot at the shittish rising Goldens with my fly gear. I tie on a caddis, approach low, cast upstream.. and the fly stops dead, ripple, SET HOOK and golden on! He jumps (yep, looks like a Golden, we estimate he’s at about 14-16"), heads upstream, yanking off my line.. all the while I’m having 2nd thoughts about my set.. the timing wasn’t great, didn’t feel real solid. I decide, in order to make sure the hook is in, I’ll "put a lttle pressure on…" to further set the hook. Yep, game over, fishy all gone, we’re done for the evening (even though we didn’t know it at the time). Still haven’t caught my first golden.. -Mark — Particle Salad/ Noom Room Studio http://home.earthlink.net/~psalad

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I was guiding a client last year on the Ocanuluftee river in the smokies.The water was high and murky and I tied on one of my prince variations for him on a 5X tippet. After fishing the first eddy I put him on he asked me if this was a joke.By the third eddy he fished he changed his tune.He hooked up about three feet off the bank and said I think I’m hung up! I told him to set the hook harder! He said but I’m hung up! I said It’s a big fish buddy put it to him! He jerked the rod sharply and the fish exploded! I screamed get downstream of him before he makes his run! It was too late! The fish lipped the pool and headed into class five water.He held the rod high as the reel sang it’s song.After about 120 yards the fish parted the leader.He said I didn’t know there were fish like that up this high.I replied’ I didn’t either. Moral to the story"Never under estimate the brown trout and use 2X tippet when the water’s murky! Tim

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In my youth, I was a bait fisherman, just like my dad. We were fishing the Chesapeake Bay near the Md/Va line and doing pretty well against some sea trout in about 70 ft of water. As usual, just as the sun starts going down and the wind picks up, the fishing starts getting really good, but it’s time to go in. Just before I reel in for the last time, I feel a bump and haul back on my rod. I got it, but what? Instantly it takes off south, aided by a 2 knot current. I’m using a medium stiff spinning rod and 18-lb line, but he’s just peeling it off at high speed. This is the fish of a lifetime. After what seemed like a minute, but was probably only15 seconds, the line goes slack. I’m deflated. On reeling in, I find lots of nicks in what’s left. Probably a big bluefish, maybe a shark, I’ll never know. Man was that a fish. Joe

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I often remember the big fish that I’ve lost, especially from a mistake I made. Any interest in exchanging the tales? Herewith a modest contribution.

(Section deleted) Finally hooked a carp. I can remember fishing for Bluegill in my favorite section of Big Bear

Lake with my 3wt when I hooked into a monster. It took about 20 minutes to get this thing close to me. The largest Bluegill I’ve ever seen. It was absolutely HUGE!! I wanted to keep it as I knew nobody would believe me when I told them how big. I had no net with me, after all who needs to net Bluegill. I couldn’t get my hand around him and being a Bluegill couldn’t put my thumb in is mouth. No way to grab him !!! Finally my 6x tippet gave way. I dropped my rod and tried to grab with both hands, but he just slowly swam away. The following week I heard someone had caught a 4lb 9oz record the very next day. I guess you just can’t win them all. Bill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Good thread, Michael. Fishing on the Beaverhead two years ago, floating below Dillon with the pontoon boat. Slow day in September, having to pound them up and not much sucess at that either. Dropped a two nymph rig into a drop-off that must have been 15 feet deep, and just let it sink – fooling around, mostly. WHAM. Rod bends straight down (like I was jigging for 10 pound crappies or something). Five seconds later leader pops at, of all places, the nail knot attachment to the fly line. Lost the entire leader. First and only time that has ever happened to me, but now I carry an extra leader. Then there was the time…… (man, I got a load of these kind of stories) Mark Faulkner

Oh Mark, you brought back bad memories. I had been fishing the Bow River in Alberta for three days and my luck had been so-so. it was getting dark and I worked my way up to this flat, just upstream of a spot called Policeman’s. I could see regular rises and there was one large regular one at the tail of an almost imperceptible seam. I drift a #14 Henryville down, the rainbow took it and headed into the current with me hanging on for dear life. I put a bit of pressure on and ping!!!, the leader parts in the middle. Standing there looking at half my leader, I remember stepping on it earlier when releasing a small fish. Must have nicked it with a stud. Damn. Would have been the best fish I had in a while. Peter Email address hacked. Remove -delete-this- to email a reply.

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These first few aren’t huge but memorable nonetheless… I guess there’s one every season or so for me, a brown that took a hares ear spider on one side of the river, and immediately bolted for a single snag/branch hanging into the water clear across stream and promptly wrapped the leader around it, I barely had set the hook. Same river, two years or so earlier, a rainbow picked up a damsel nymph hit the main main current, crossed the current to a backwater on the other bank 20 yards downstream leapt and hung the line up in a bush. Then there are the bruisers … usually in backwaters … I did my first and only float trip last year … what a revelation. This damned river Goulburn is much maligned as being difficult to fish and so it is, if you are looking for a swag of fish taken in runs, glides etc. Naturally things are differnt during a hatch, then selectivbity is a problem. On that trip I was broken in a backwater on the strike to a parachute dun, guide reckons "Biig" …hard to tell I guess, but the sight of that dun disappearing is something I won’t forget, damn fish charged it and managed to break the fly-knot on 6 lb tippet when I lifted into him. Man there is some serious recovery time needed after things like that. The best thing about that trip though was I found where the fish were, very few mid-stream, mostly backwaters and hard against the bank near overhang branches and the like. It gave me confidence in the water I knew there where fish and roughly where … so now I fish it with a heap of confidence, knowing that patience will pay off. Two weeks after the float, I returned foot, I watched backwaters relly looked and sure enough, 2lb plus fish accessible form the bank admittedly in tricky circumstances. I spotted a much larger brown cruising a particular back water 6 times , always he’d be coming toward me or I’d be caugth in the open and couldn’t move … on the seven occasion the wind blew and riffled the water as he swam away .. the size 14 heavy wire fiery-brown nymph was taken, I lifted and all hell broke loose in the shallow water. I couldn’t afford to let him run at all because of logs, and you guessed it … the hook straightened. I cursed a little and *laughed* a hell of a lot while untangling leaderr and line from around my ears and hat, checked my watch – one cast in 3 hours and worth every last second of it. That float trip has changed the way I fish ~that~ river forever. Geez …then there a the lake fish …. Steve

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I agree, this is a great thread. Last Memorial Day, I joined my Father-In-Law on the Potholes Res. in Central Washington. He enjoys fishing for walleye so was rigged up and trolling for them. I personally don’t care for spiny rays so had my rod rigged with my favorite Wolly Bugger pattern. After 30 minutes the fish finder turns black with fish and I start pounding nice 14 inch rainbows. My next hit, the reel starts screaming and I was totally unpreparred for this size of fish (even though the lake is known to have 10 pound plus rainbows in it.) After about 20 seconds the hook pulls out. I reel in and check my fly and leader and cast it back out. Two minutes later, I am into another monster fish that has the reel on meltdown again. This time I was ready for it and proceeded to adjust the drag while my Father-in-Law cranked up the downriggers and was getting to turn the boat around to give chase. In that short period of time, the fish was within 10 feet of spooling me with the drag cranked all the way down when the fly popped loose again. It never did slow down. Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

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I often remember the big fish that I’ve lost, especially from a mistake I made. Any interest in exchanging the tales?

This is a little long… Jackson and I had spent most of the morning trying to gain access from ranchers to the river. We knew from maps that the state had designated it "Gold Medal Water" but we were determined to get on it somewhere other than the few public acess points. At the time Jackson was tractor salesman for Case power equipment so it seemd he was the right one to go knocking on strangers doors. After all, they all owned tractors. The hard part was guessing who were the Case guys and who were the John Deers!! A fella can be kinda partial to his heavy machinery, right up there with the pickup. And so it went – "No", after "No" after nobody home, when finally we hit paydirt. "Be sure to close the gate!" Always obey this request. We were in. A short drive and we came upon the water – wide and slow, winding through hay fields. We began to walk down current and came to a hard dog leg in the stream. A nice backeddy curled against the current. As we looked the risers became evident. Jackson patted me on the back – a little harder than I liked, but that was OK, our mission was accomplished. There was such an abundance of available food for these fish – terresterials and aquatics alike, that we really didn’t know what to use. One thing was certain – it was going to be dry. I went with a #14 irresistable and proceeded to put down every fish I cast to. Well, not put down exactly, they would simply move five feet ahead of where I could reach after a couple of presentations. Jackson was having the same kind of success. I had started fishing down stream of the bend, but soon found myself standing right in it with the trout now rising behind me. That’s when Mike (Jackson) called me. "Jonnie boy – check this dude!" I climbed out of the stream and walked over to him. From where he was standing I saw nothing at first. Then she breeched. Such a rainbow I’d never been this close to. The rise was stupid big. Just a big old bug sucking spotted maw followed by the back of a buffalo and the vertical tail of a whale. This fish was working less than two feet from shore faceing straight into the current. The assortment of insects seemed to delight him judging by the way he steadily fed. I tried to watch what he was eating but it was futile. There was just too much. I actually watched this pig eat a yellow jacket. Mike offered up the trout to me; he was going to watch. I eased into the current no more than 20 feet down stream and waited. I let this trout rise four or five times before even stripping out line. I wanted a solid bead on his lie, and I wanted him happy. My first cast was short. I waited for one more rise and made a second. It was perfect. The irresistable floated happily right over his lie. Dammitt. Again I waited for him to show. Then I tried to time it – kind of like a surfer counting waves. It was time. The cast was true and it was clear – even before it happened – that this was the cast. Mike knew it too and even called out – just before he struck – "That’s it". He was right. That trout took so confidently that I had to laugh. I did. Then I really started laughing as the fish made an immediate downstream run. Downstream? This I was not ready for. Don’t ask me why. The fish swam right passed me. I could have hit him with the rod. I stripped my wet ass off to keep the line tight and then right back out again and suddenly on the reel. The old Medalist chugged and groaned and I suddenly realised this fish was well on it’s way to spooling me. I clammered out of the stream and up onto the high bank. Mr. fish was an easy 60 yards into the backing when I had this great idea. Instead of continuing the chase on foot I’d: "Put a little pressure on him" Famous last words. The hook had simply pulled free. I fell back into the tall golden grass and held my forehead. Jackson was quick to produce a flask of good scotch. Dam that was a good belt of whisky. JE JE

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Wish this was mine, but it’s a good story anyway… My brother in law live in LA, and he’s a fishing nut! I took him to the quality waters here in New Mexico with a guide ’cause the water was flowing at almost 5000 cfm. We’re in Texas hole, and close to the top of the hole. He casts to the rapids, and gets a strike, a big one! He asks the guide what to do, and the guide say’s let him run. He ran about a hundred yards and tied up the line in a tree. I never heard a fly reel scream like that in my life! Sure wish it would have been me….

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Michael Goldstein wrote [great thread snipped] Long before I started fly fishing, when I was 12, I fished for bonito from a "bait barge" in Long Beach harbor. I was fishing a live anchovy in the usual manner with no weight…just the free swimming bait fish. (I’ve been told by my marine fishing buddies that this type of fishing is called ‘fly fishing’ … go figure). Anyway, on one particular day I was fishing with my $10 trout rod/reel spinning combo I had bought at Thrifty Drug store…You know, the cheap little spinning jobs where the line is always getting caught underneath the spool and wrapped around the axle. (You probably have to be at least 35 years old to know the cheap little reel I’m talkin about). Anyway, on this one particular day here I was with my bait in the water and the line caught up and wrapped under the spool in the usual fashion. In this situation there’s nothing to do but remove the spool and unwind the tangle. So, while I had the spool off and I’m unwrapping the line, a bonito hits…don’t know how big, but those of you who’ve caught ‘em know how they run when they hit that anchovy. So here I am, with the spool off and the fish pulling away like crazy and my trying to get control and put the spool back on … and the damn fish pulled the whole rig out of my hands and over the rail…rod, reel … everything gone. I was not a happy camper that day! — -dnc-

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I often remember the big fish that I’ve lost, especially from a mistake I made. Any interest in exchanging the tales? Herewith a modest contribution. (Section deleted) Finally hooked a carp. I can remember fishing for Bluegill in my favorite section of Big Bear Lake with my 3wt when I hooked into a monster. It took about 20 minutes to get this thing close to me. The largest Bluegill I’ve ever seen. It was absolutely HUGE!! I wanted to keep it as I knew nobody would believe me when I told them how big. I had no net with me, after all who needs to net Bluegill. I couldn’t get my hand around him and being a Bluegill couldn’t put my thumb in is mouth. No way to grab him !!! Finally my 6x tippet gave way. I dropped my rod and tried to grab with both hands, but he just slowly swam away. The following week I heard someone had caught a 4lb 9oz record the very next day. I guess you just can’t win them all. Bill

While liveing in San Mateo Fl. one of my neibors was going to St. Augustine with his boat to fish and asked me to go along. My only rod at the time was a bamboo 7wt 7′ and I thought a mudler minnow with a straight leader of 20lb test would work fine in salt. We were up under the bridge of lions when I thought I was bottom hung. I started to be able gently to crank in line with just a bit of trouble when this shadow started to show and my buddy asked what the hell I had. As it came up I saw the eye of the most god awful tarpon I had ever even heard of. At that point he decided this was a bit more than a minor nuisance. There was this terrific splash of water and he was gone, my fly rod was broken just above the grip and all I could do was sit there shaking, looking at the busted rod. That was a 14′ boat and that fish was at least half the boat size. That is the truth although I can understand any disbeliefe. John Popp in Sanford Fl.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – These first few aren’t huge but memorable nonetheless… I guess there’s one every season or so for me, a brown that took a hares ear spider on one side of the river, and immediately bolted for a single snag/branch hanging into the water clear across stream and promptly wrapped the leader around it, I barely had set the hook. Same river, two years or so earlier, a rainbow picked up a damsel nymph hit the main main current, crossed the current to a backwater on the other bank 20 yards downstream leapt and hung the line up in a bush. Then there are the bruisers … usually in backwaters … I did my first and only float trip last year … what a revelation. This damned river Goulburn is much maligned as being difficult to fish and so it is, if you are looking for a swag of fish taken in runs, glides etc. Naturally things are differnt during a hatch, then selectivbity is a problem. On that trip I was broken in a backwater on the strike to a parachute dun, guide reckons "Biig" …hard to tell I guess, but the sight of that dun disappearing is something I won’t forget, damn fish charged it and managed to break the fly-knot on 6 lb tippet when I lifted into him. Man there is some serious recovery time needed after things like that. The best thing about that trip though was I found where the fish were, very few mid-stream, mostly backwaters and hard against the bank near overhang branches and the like. It gave me confidence in the water I knew there where fish and roughly where … so now I fish it with a heap of confidence, knowing that patience will pay off. Two weeks after the float, I returned foot, I watched backwaters relly looked and sure enough, 2lb plus fish accessible form the bank admittedly in tricky circumstances. I spotted a much larger brown cruising a particular back water 6 times , always he’d be coming toward me or I’d be caugth in the open and couldn’t move … on the seven occasion the wind blew and riffled the water as he swam away .. the size 14 heavy wire fiery-brown nymph was taken, I lifted and all hell broke loose in the shallow water. I couldn’t afford to let him run at all because of logs, and you guessed it … the hook straightened. I cursed a little and *laughed* a hell of a lot while untangling leaderr and line from around my ears and hat, checked my watch – one cast in 3 hours and worth every last second of it. That float trip has changed the way I fish ~that~ river forever. Geez …then there a the lake fish …. Steve

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I often remember the big fish that I’ve lost, especially from a mistake I made. Any interest in exchanging the tales? Herewith a modest contribution. I often fish a pond near my house in Princeton, NJ which contains sunnys, smallmouth, and HUGE carp, i.e. 10+ lbs. Generally, I’ll try to catch the smallmouth, switching to the carp if I see them cruising. But in a year of hit-and-miss trying, I’ve never gotten a carp on. They are extremely spooky, and even if you get a nymph on their nose while they’re tailing (generally what I’m trying to do), it’s very hard to read a take. It’s late Fall, and the pond is already cold enough that the smallmouth aren’t hitting. Rather than go home skunked, I switch to a smaller streamer that is more likely to catch a sunny (though it still might attract a bass). On the first cast of the new streamer, it stops after a short retrieve. Now, if you’ve ever fished for smallmouth you know that one of the problems with catching them is hooking them. Their jaws are so powerful that even if you try to set the hook hard, once, they may have the fly locked in their jaws, and will spit it out after a few seconds. So, hoping the fish might be a smallmouth, I lock the line against the rod and hit it a second time. The theory here is that, with six pound tippet, it won’t matter if I lock up against a sunny, or even a smallmouth (which on this pond rarely get bigger than 2 pounds). But I want to make sure the hook is set. As I’m pulling on the line, I see a grey torpedo explode from the bottom of the pond near my fly. The acceleration is so rapid that a bow wave builds up in front of it across the entire width of the pond (maybe 150 feet). My jaw drops as I react to the awesome power display, and try to track the streak with my rod tip. It takes me a second to realize I should release my lock on the line, but as I do, the 6 lb tippet parts. Finally hooked a carp.

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Michael Goldstein: <<I often remember the big fish that I’ve lost, especially from a mistake I made. Any interest in exchanging the tales? (good story snipped) I was fishing a river in Maine, early in the season which means I was lobbing big streamers with a 6 weight. I had a reel on that did not have the best drag system, and hitched into a *very* big fish. He zoomed across the pool and was headed down-stream to the next pool when I palmed my reel — palmed it too much, that is. The tippet broke and a couple of guys near me gasped in disappointment. About 30 minutes later a local fisherman started fishing and I thought his set up strange: He had a sinking line, very short leader, and was tying on a #10 White Wulff. He cast into the current and when the fly was down stream he retreaved it *very* slowly. On his second cast, He was into a big fish. I left the water, put my rod down and watched him land a 28 inch Togue (laketrout that gets into a river). The togue had my white Zonker in his jaw, right next to the White Wulff! He killed the togue, tied it to his Maine basket, packed up and left. He had his supper. Dave LaCourse

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I often fish a pond near my house in Princeton, NJ which contains sunnys, smallmouth, and HUGE carp, i.e. 10+ lbs. Generally, I’ll try to catch the smallmouth, switching to the carp if I see them cruising. But in a year of hit-and-miss trying, I’ve never gotten a carp on. They are extremely spooky, …

I’ve never caught a carp on a nymph or a streamer, only on mulberry flies. When the mulberries get ripe and drop into the water you toss a hunk of purple yarn under the tree. Some folks scatter bread crumbs on a spot for a week or two then use a "bread crumb" fly to catch carp. I don’t, I feel guilty enough about the mulberries. — Ken Fortenberry

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I often remember the big fish that I’ve lost, especially from a mistake I made. Any interest in exchanging the tales?

We were camped at Rainbow Lake, about 10,000 ft above sea level on the Doubletop Mt. Trail in the Wind River Range. Finis Mitchell’s book claimed that Rainbow Lake was an excellent fishery. Being a flatlander I was not very good at unlocking the secrets of a high alpine lake. I tried my whole bag of lake methods and being limited to fishing from the shore, (no float tube or boat), I got discouraged and inattentive. I had a muddler minnow that I tossed purposefully but retrieved casually. On one of the strips of the retrieve, while I was planning where to make the next "perfect" cast, something hit that muddler so hard it took muddler tippet and all. I just wasn’t paying attention. — Ken Fortenberry

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Folklore says that carp can feel the vibrations you impart to the line (movement, heartbeat and breathing). If you want to catch them, get a y shaped stick and shove the straight end into the ground. Prop up the fishing rod with the y shaped part of the stick. If you are using a fly, watch for line movement unrelated to the current flow. The subtle line movement (especially in calmer waters) around the shore will indicate a carp or sucker is on the line. When you see the movement, pick up the rod and set the hook. Failure to do so will possibly mean that your fly rod will be yanked into the water by the carp/sucker. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve never caught a carp on a nymph or a streamer, only on mulberry flies. When the mulberries get ripe and drop into the water you toss a hunk of purple yarn under the tree. Some folks scatter bread crumbs on a spot for a week or two then use a "bread crumb" fly to catch carp. I don’t, I feel guilty enough about the mulberries. — Ken Fortenberry

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I often remember the big fish that I’ve lost, especially from a mistake I made. Any interest in exchanging the tales? Herewith a modest contribution.

I’ve got two 12 years or so ago I was fishing the Androscoggin River somewhere near Errol, NH during the famed alder fly hatch. As dark was coming on I was fishing a nice pool and I noticed a fish sipping flies in a back eddy behind a rock, I dropped a fly on him and got a beautiful head and tail rise, to my amazement the fish was quite large, I missed him and he never came back up. The next day I got position in the same pool fairly early and just at dark there he was. I dropped my fly on him and he took it, I setup and my reel began to scream as he headed out into the main current. About 10 yards out he popped the leader. I thought well ok and then the fish leapt out of the water 4 times, each time furthur out in the river, apparantly trying to spit the hook. I esitmate the fish was between 25-30", at that time possibly the biggest trout I had ever hooked. A few years ago fishing for browns in a Maine river at dark I cast on a sipper. I set the hook and my rod bent right to the water, the reel began to scream as the fish ran downriver. I pulled the anchor in the boat to drift with the fish as my partner manned the oars. This was the biggest fish I have ever hooked (I think) the fish stripped me to the backing, turned up stream and came off as the line went slack ( I was stripping in like a madman but not fast enough). I never saw him, just felt the power and dream of a rematch! dave

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Good thread, Michael. Fishing on the Beaverhead two years ago, floating below Dillon with the pontoon boat. Slow day in September, having to pound them up and not much sucess at that either. Dropped a two nymph rig into a drop-off that must have been 15 feet deep, and just let it sink – fooling around, mostly. WHAM. Rod bends straight down (like I was jigging for 10 pound crappies or something). Five seconds later leader pops at, of all places, the nail knot attachment to the fly line. Lost the entire leader. First and only time that has ever happened to me, but now I carry an extra leader. Then there was the time…… (man, I got a load of these kind of stories) Mark Faulkner

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Then there was the time…… (man, I got a load of these kind of stories)

Yeah, me too. The most painful fish I ever lost…. Last year I went with a friend to fish the classic chalk streams of England. One day we’re fishing the Lodden. The water was off color that day, and nothing was rising. So I start, like any self respecting American fisherman, working a nymph, not realizing it’s not allowed on this river. (The guide is a young chap who’s filling in for the guy who booked the trip, and he doesn’t know either.) Anyway, so I’m fishing to a bunch of fish that have never seen an artificial nymph, and iIt’s a perfect river for this kind of fishing, as the fish have concentrated in some deep holes. In one hole, having taken a bunch of fish — easily 10 in the 2 lbs. class in less than an hour, all stockers — I see a huge shape flash on, then refuse, my bead-head hare’s ear. After a dozen casts, and no further luck, I tie on a "large olive bead head damsel nymph, tied Matuka style". In other words, a wooly bugger. Sacrilege in these parts, even where nymphing is OK. I just happened to have one in my vest, and the guide is helping my friend, so he can’t object. I feel deliciously wicked. I’m fishing on a short line on the dead drift. On the second cast the line hesitates, and I lift the rod. The resistance is so firm, I’m sure it’s bottom. But then the line starts to vibrate. It’s a bloody great fish! The line noses down, then my reel screams as the fish takes off across the pool. Then down again, there’s nothing I can do but let it run. Then upstream 20 yards, with me chasing it along the bank. I get a good look at it, it’s a huge brown trout, at least 30"! Then across to the far bank into the reeds. I put some side pressure on him and the line goes limp! Broken off at the fly. When we were fishing drys, the guide had put on 7x tippet, and I hadn’t realized. With 2.5 pound breaking strength, I’ve been too forceful. To make it even worse, guide points out that this was undoubtedly a wild fish, since the stocked trout are rarely more than 2 pounds, or 20 inches. I feel ill, mentally replaying the fatal sideways pressure, wishing I had shortened the tippet to a 6 lbs. breaking strenght 4x. In the stained water, nymphing, it would have been fine. It takes me about an hour before I have the heart to fish again!

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » Tell me about Belize

Tell me about Belize

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What is there to do in Belize? I have been told that it has the best fly fishing in the world. But I would like to more about the country. Is the snorkelling good, scuba diving and beaches worth the trip? And what about the Mayan ruins, tropical rain forest and anything else you can tell me?

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We stayed in Placencia in May 2000 and stayed at the Rum Point Inn. The beaches were okay but not good for walking out into the water and swimming – full of turtle grass. The Mayan ruins – we visited Lubantuum and Nimli Punit – were amazing, particularly Lubantuum. There was no snorkeling from the beach, but a one hour boat ride got us out to some amazing places for both snorkeling and scuba diving. Absolutely breathtaking. We didn’t go on the Monkey River tour or to the Jaguar preserve (ran out of $$) but friends who did go said it was well worthwhile. May seems to be an off-season so it’s hard to tell whether we visited at the best time. We weren’t crazy about Placencia or the Rum Point Inn, but I’ve heard others extoll the virtues of both. We definitely enjoyed the snorkeling and Mayan ruins, and would recommend it for that.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Private Fishing Waters in California

Private Fishing Waters in California

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Does anyone know of a comprehensive list of private, daily or annual fee-based fishing areas in California? I have compiled a list of a dozen or so, but I would like a larger base of data. It seems that the landowners either try to market themselves, often badly, or the lease the fishing rights to a large fly shop or fishing club. The only large, organized clubs I have found that lease trepass rights on an anuual basis are hunting clubs like Wilderness Unlimited.

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In Northern California, the Fly Shop in Redding, CA has been the most sucessful. They have a nice cross section of well run private waters. 800/669-FISH William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Vancouver, BC

Vancouver, BC

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Hi all: I am a newbee flyfisherperson and I want to go fishing. I just don’t know a good spot to go this weekend. I would like to get some input on some decent fishing spots for a beginner to go to in the Vancouver area. I only have waders, so I guess that stream fishing is what I am limited to for the time being. Thanks in advance Jon

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I Salmon runs have been hammered all along the Coast, but I’m sure there is still some action out there.

this is a big exaggeration! Coho fishing on the west coast of Vancouver ISle was great this year. Chinook fishing in many areas including the Charlottes and the Strait of Georgia (between Mainland and Van Isle) was also the best in years! Fear was that Fraser Sockeye were in trouble; they were not. Also closures on chinook were inplace to protect some stocks that have been mammered by the Alaskan commercial fishery but overall salmon runs were good and 97 is expected to be better!

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If fishing is your primary interest, you’ll want to be there in fall and early winter when salmon/steelhead/searun cutthroat are running. Things can be good up along the Sunshine coast and even at mouth and up Fraser River in August and September. It’s been about 9 years since I’ve worked this area but I hear there is still good bottomfishing, searun cutthroat fishing, and steelhead fishing. Salmon runs have been hammered all along the Coast, but I’m sure there is still some action out there.

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I am planning a trip to Vancouver and am curious if anyone knows the best time of yesr to go? JT

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I am planning a trip to Vancouver and am curious if anyone knows the best time of yesr to go? JT

Vancouver isn’t a high quality destination for flyfishing. However there is some sort of fishing available year round. Some possibilities; Aug-Sept Fraser river will have lots of Pinks and Sockeye available (we’re talking millions of fish) as 97 is expected to be a high cycle year.. The river is likely to be muddy at this time and is very large; I recommend a guide. Mid Oct for coho on the Chilliwack, Chehalis and Harrison River; plan to fish weekends to avoid crowds. Use Vancouver as a jump off point to the interior of BC or Vancoucer Island; some oufits do helicopter trips to Alpine Lakes. Email me for more info Ralph H

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Steelhead recipe

Steelhead recipe

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – major snip Considering we are giving the Electrica Power Companies 100% of our rivers potential energies without setting 10% of it aside for spawning canals around those huge power structures, is insane. We are allowing them and the high-seas robbers to destroy a multi-billion dollar economy in fishing resources in the interior economy base of this Nation without so much as a whimper, by comparison. If the organizations that are fighting this problem were as effective as the dams that prevent free swimming fish to go and come on their own . . . these organizations would have won years ago. We need to see more and a stronger dynamic stand against the vandal few against the responsible majority. It has to stop. Soon! — Tillamook Country Smoker, Inc.

Bob, you bring up a point that I had not revisited in a long time. The livestock issue to the proximity of clean waters that is going to voted on needs posting and explaining here as soon as possible. I have an extensive study done on this years ago that cost my company tens of thousands of dollars called:"Wildlife: An American Ideal & Her Values" It directly attacks the dangers poised against our fisheries and outdoor inventories and how Livestock and other special interests (Logging)is destroying it before our very eyes. We the people need to get control back of our American Outdoors. There is a way to do it. I need to hear more of what you have to say Bob and I’m looking for a good reciepe for smoking fish. Thanks and you have my interest. George Gehrke

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I am look for a way to cook steelhead any recipe that have been used would be appreciated. Thanks Roger

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Cut head off and chuck. slice 1-2 lemons into wheels place a sheet of foil onto a cookie sheet Lay wheels o’ lemon onto foil. put salt & pepper into cavity (season to taste) place fish onto wheels o’ lemon pour 1-2 cups of soy sauce onto fish letting it drain into foil close up the foil LOOSELY (you want to make a "oven") place on BBQ (low heat) or in a oven 300, 15-30 minutes. Tasty — Bob Crossley oregoncoast.com I am look for a way to cook steelhead any recipe that have been used

would be appreciated. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Roger

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I am look for a way to cook steelhead any recipe that have been used would be appreciated. Thanks Roger

I hope you mean a recipe for those hatchery steelhead. Sorry if I might offend some out there, but I don’t think we can afford to kill any wild steelhead in North America. Fifty years ago it was OK, as the ratio of steelhead to angler was quite different. I might seem a little blunt, but it is probably because I have fished for steelhead for the last 35 years and have watched them fad away at an alarming rate. Lose of habitat from dams, hatcheries, logging, agriculture and general de-watering is the problem, not angling. When there are not many wild steelhead left, uncontrolled angling can be a problem. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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major snip Considering we are giving the Electrica Power Companies 100% of our rivers potential energies without setting 10% of it aside for spawning canals around those huge power structures, is insane. We are allowing them and the high-seas robbers to destroy a multi-billion dollar economy in fishing resources in the interior economy base of this Nation without so much as a whimper, by comparison. If the organizations that are fighting this problem were as effective as the dams that prevent free swimming fish to go and come on their own . . . these organizations would have won years ago. We need to see more and a stronger dynamic stand against the vandal few against the responsible majority. It has to stop. Soon! Mr. George Gehrke

I agree with you G, but in addition to the Columbia Basin problem, we need to look at how we treat our river systems as a whole to save our fisheries. In my area, gravel harvesting from historical spawning bed areas have decimated not only the Chum Salmon run, but also the Sea Run Cutthroat and the Winter & Summer runs of wild Steelhead. This area is also a major Dairy producer, i.e.. cattle run off right into the rivers. We have no dams, but the problems facing the "wild" fish is just as formidable. Tackling the Dam problem is a very important issue, but an overall introspection into how we affect our rivers is also very worthy. On Oregon’s Nov. 5th ballot is a measure that addresses the issue of cattle in proximity to bodies of water. The measure is not exactly a cure all, but it is a "measure" in the right direction. — Bob Crossley Tillamook Country Smoker, Inc.

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I’ve used a similar recipe with an addition and a change. Cut up some zuchinni, carrots, celery, or other similar veggies and stuff the cavity. Instead of foil use baking parchement paper and seal it up tight. Cooking time is about the same and when you’re done you’ll also have some vegetables for a side dish that are perfectly steamed. The veggies also contribute some natural juices so you don’t need quite as much soy sauce. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am look for a way to cook steelhead any recipe that have been used would be appreciated. Thanks Roger I hope you mean a recipe for those hatchery steelhead. Sorry if I might offend some out there, but I don’t think we can afford to kill any wild steelhead in North America. Fifty years ago it was OK, as the ratio of steelhead to angler was quite different. I might seem a little blunt, but it is probably because I have fished for steelhead for the last 35 years and have watched them fad away at an alarming rate. Lose of habitat from dams, hatcheries, logging, agriculture and general de-watering is the problem, not angling. When there are not many wild steelhead left, uncontrolled angling can be a problem. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

I think the greatest theif of Steelhead and Western Salmon Species is on the high seas and especially in the Gulf of Alaska by the Japanese and Commercial Netters. The plunder is a criminal activity that boggles the mind. The criminals go unpunished and the thief is flaggrant. The criminal to the species declines are not the American Rodders who pay huge license fees but the former culprits I speak of. The additional crime is the high-seas-netters not only extermine, what is left over to return to the spawning beds leaves ALL OF US with a guilt trip that is not of our doing. I resent that label forced upon the responsible spirit of all fly fishermen who have little or nothing to do with those native salmon and/or steelhead families that are now going extinct. I agree about the dams being a major problem and the only reason that they continue to decimate the spawning rights of wildlife is because we are not organized. We deal in fractured groups but we are not talking to the American People where our real power-base resides. We could have had spawing channels around ALL our dams on the Columbia River Drainage years ago and it would only take copper scent rods to get all the fish around and over all the dams at their pace and wishes, but no . . . the answer is too obvious and too simple. At least, this is my opinion. Bill Kiene’s displeasure is certainly well founded. I am for a serious conference that augments any positive effort to get those canals built in short order. They do NOT have to be studied to death, they work and they are long overdue. I have flown over every dam along the Columbia River to the Pacific ocean and we certainly have the land available or obtainable to get this project and problem resolved. Considering we are giving the Electrica Power Companies 100% of our rivers potential energies without setting 10% of it aside for spawning canals around those huge power structures, is insane. We are allowing them and the high-seas robbers to destroy a multi-billion dollar economy in fishing resources in the interior economy base of this Nation without so much as a whimper, by comparison. If the organizations that are fighting this problem were as effective as the dams that prevent free swimming fish to go and come on their own . . . these organizations would have won years ago. We need to see more and a stronger dynamic stand against the vandal few against the responsible majority. It has to stop. Soon! Mr. George Gehrke

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fly fishing group

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I am trying to get the email address for the fly fishing mailing list and instructions for getting myself added to the distribution list. Please reply to me using the address below if you have any information. Thanks in advance. -Roger. Roger S. Barga | Department of Computer Science and Engineering | Oregon Graduate Institute of Science and Technology (503) 690-1121 7308 | Portland, OR 97291-1000

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How about posting it here, too, for the rest of us… Rick

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