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I’m tying some PT Nymphs for a fly swap and decided to look at other patterns besides the one I’ve been tying in the past. I noticed that some have wings, while some just have the wing casing. Some people tie in lead, some copper wire, and some nothing at all for weight. Do you have a favorite recipe you use? Why? —

I like to use the Sawyer style PT nymph primarily because it is a good fish catching fly and is easy to tie up, requiring only PT fibres & fine copper wire  (a little superglue is good to stop the wing case from being pulled apart by the trout’s teeth).  The streams that I fish are rarely more than a few feet in depth, and so super fast sinking leaded flies are for me not required.  The Sawyer PT nymphs are very streamlined in form, and this allows the fly to sink quite quickly given its mass.

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You are correct, in the sawyer pattern the thorax is copper too. Clark "Scott Seidman" < I think Sawyer is a little more than all pheasant tail– its all pheasant – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – tail with copper wire used for thread.  Takes seconds to tie, and sinks like a rock

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I’m tying some PT Nymphs for a fly swap and decided to look at other patterns besides the one I’ve been tying in the past. I noticed that some have wings, while some just have the wing casing. Some people tie in lead, some copper wire, and some nothing at all for weight. Do you have a favorite recipe you use? Why?

I’ve never seen a PT nymph with "wings". I like Golden Pheasant tail rather than Ringneck Pheasant.  Try it, and I think you’ll agree it has a slightly mottled look that is much more buggy looking.  Of course, if you are imitating a specific nymph that is solid looking that won’t help.  I color it with Pantone markers sometimes, olive or darker brown, etc. I’ve tried tying the original Sawyer Pheasant Tail, and I don’t like it. I’m sure it worked for him on his English chalk stream using his technique, but I don’t like "tying" them and I don’t like how they look for most of the streams I fish them in. I almost always use peacock for the thorax.  If the peacock herl is long enough, you don’t need legs.

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I can’t recall having a problem with tail PT fibres breaking away to the point I’ve discarded a fly –

And so what if a couple tail fibers fall off anyway?  Most people tie in 4 or 5 fibers anway, and *that’s* not natural.  If a couple fall off, you’ve still got 2 or 3.

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Some of my mates prefer a clayton’s  PT, (see the PTO in the flybox at http://www.flyflickers.com) where the tail used is red cock and the thorax is of brown seal.  They like this brew because the tail (PT can be brittle in the tying) doesn’t break off while fishing.  The thorax colour is to give a more uniform brown colouration to the fly – more like the natural.  All well and good.

I like that.  Also, you don’t need legs with that thorax, and using the copper wire like that, while still tying with thread, sounds like a good idea.  I don’t understand the point in not using PT for the tail also, though.

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There’s lots of styles and it’s hard to make bad one. I think they’re best in size 16 and below.

I agree. I fish Sawyer’s river, the Avon, and find this to be true there. Lazarus

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I’m tying some PT Nymphs for a fly swap and decided to look at other patterns besides the one I’ve been tying in the past. I noticed that some have wings, while some just have the wing casing. Some people tie in lead, some copper wire, and some nothing at all for weight. Do you have a favorite recipe you use? Why? I’ve never seen a PT nymph with "wings".

My bad — I meant "legs" — TL, Tim

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I generally tie PT’s unweighted in the American style. Sometimes I used a wingcase, sometimes not. Sometimes legs, sometimes not. I will also rib it with different color wire. I especially like red copper. I also use a PT as an emerger and usually add a small wing of CDC or filoplume.

The one I normally tie (the first one I learned) is this: http://tinyurl.com/204w As you can see, the pattern as described is unweighted. I fish it with split shot providing the sink mechanism. From what most people have said here, they prefer a weighted nymph over this pattern. I’ve always held the thought that the nymph would swim better unweighted, but I normally fish relatively slow moving water. You mentioned red copper wire. I’m assuming you’ve had better luck with this color vs. the copper color. Do you have any thoughts on what would cause the fish to react better to the red? Thanks to all for the input so far. — TL, Tim

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    You mentioned red copper wire. I’m assuming you’ve had better luck with this   color vs. the copper color. Do you have any thoughts on what would cause the   fish to react better to the red? I don’t know about that. I just like the way it looks and fish it more. Willi

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    I can’t recall having a problem with tail PT fibres breaking away to the   point I’ve discarded a fly –       And so what if a couple tail fibers fall off anyway?  Most people tie in 4   or 5 fibers anway, and *that’s* not natural.  If a couple fall off, you’ve   still got 2 or 3. I use PT for the tails but they do tend to get broken off after a couple fish. I think the fly looks better with tails but I’m not sure the fish care. Willi

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I’m tying some PT Nymphs for a fly swap and decided to look at other patterns besides the one I’ve been tying in the past. I noticed that some have wings, while some just have the wing casing. Some people tie in lead, some copper wire, and some nothing at all for weight. Do you have a favorite recipe you use? Why? — TL, Tim

I make the PT with copper thorax and ribbing but I don

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I’d really like to get at least four people together for a Yuba tip on Sunday, but so far the response has been underwhelming. —— Related subject, how much does the out-of-state fishing license cost for three days or whatever.  I am putting together my budget and I just wanted to factor it all in…I hope more sign up for the guided trip on the Yuba, the $100 sounds very reasonable to me… —— Padishar Creel

Out of state license is about $28 for ten days, around $70 for whole season. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (650)-857-5491               Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971          

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Oops, that is not the embroidery we will have on the hat, its just a sample hat to see what you guys think.  The embroidery I plan to use will not be shown to anyone until the clave and then to Roff afterwards.  As a sensitive artist, I wanted to debut my artwork where I can obtain the most praise from the drunken art critics on this clave.  It will be original artwork done by me and of course, in dishonor of our own patent holding ginkster, I will copy write and patent this work for all eternity

Perfect! Burn ‘em, but not until you know how many orders you have. I’ll take two. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Here is a picture of the hat I have tentatively chosen.  It has a khaki crown, with a dark green bill.  It is OK, for all of you fashion plates at Roff? http://www.nelsonembroidery.com/product.asp?NUM=HH-002

Looks like the best choice of their offerings…

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PC, Looks fine. I’ll take three please. Danl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is a picture of the hat I have tentatively chosen.  It has a khaki crown, with a dark green bill.  It is OK, for all of you fashion plates at Roff? I really like the dark bill, but I can’t read the writing on the hat. Oops, that is not the embroidery we will have on the hat, its just a sample hat to see what you guys think.  The embroidery I plan to use will not be shown to anyone until the clave and then to Roff afterwards.  As a sensitive artist, I wanted to debut my artwork where I can obtain the most praise from the drunken art critics on this clave.  It will be original artwork done by me and of course, in dishonor of our own patent holding ginkster, I will copy write and patent this work for all eternity Padishar

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PC, put me in for 3 HT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PC, Looks fine. I’ll take three please. Danl Here is a picture of the hat I have tentatively chosen.  It has a khaki crown, with a dark green bill.  It is OK, for all of you fashion plates at Roff? I really like the dark bill, but I can’t read the writing on the hat. Oops, that is not the embroidery we will have on the hat, its just a sample hat to see what you guys think.  The embroidery I plan to use will not be shown to anyone until the clave and then to Roff afterwards.  As a sensitive artist, I wanted to debut my artwork where I can obtain the most praise from the drunken art critics on this clave.  It will be original artwork done by me and of course, in dishonor of our own patent holding ginkster, I will copy write and patent this work for all eternity Padishar

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Here is a picture of the hat I have tentatively chosen.  It has a khaki crown, with a dark green bill.  It is OK, for all of you fashion plates at Roff? http://www.nelsonembroidery.com/product.asp?NUM=HH-002 — Padishar Creel — Working night and say on a new invention to revolutionize the fly fishing world.

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I’m in on the guided trip to the Yuba.  I hope more get on board, it sounds like a fine trip and obviously the guide is highly qualified.  Nice post from Bill and RW; I am tying away on the Shad flies.  I am going to sew up 3 dozen Shad Fish-Out Clave hats.  Think that will be enough

If we get two more for the Yuba, Creel, we have a deal, but it has to happen pretty fast. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Here is a picture of the hat I have tentatively chosen.  It has a khaki crown, with a dark green bill.  It is OK, for all of you fashion plates at Roff?

I really like the dark bill, but I can’t read the writing on the hat. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Here is a picture of the hat I have tentatively chosen.  It has a khaki crown, with a dark green bill.  It is OK, for all of you fashion plates at Roff? I really like the dark bill, but I can’t read the writing on the hat.

Oops, that is not the embroidery we will have on the hat, its just a sample hat to see what you guys think.  The embroidery I plan to use will not be shown to anyone until the clave and then to Roff afterwards.  As a sensitive artist, I wanted to debut my artwork where I can obtain the most praise from the drunken art critics on this clave.  It will be original artwork done by me and of course, in dishonor of our own patent holding ginkster, I will copy write and patent this work for all eternity Padishar

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I’d really like to get at least four people together for a Yuba tip on Sunday, but so far the response has been underwhelming.

—— Related subject, how much does the out-of-state fishing license cost for three days or whatever.  I am putting together my budget and I just wanted to factor it all in…I hope more sign up for the guided trip on the Yuba, the $100 sounds very reasonable to me… —— Padishar Creel I am taking my 6wt Sage with a floating line, and a full sinking line.  Also do we have a chance to fish the stripped bass — need a little heavier rig I would assume.  Maybe my 8wt Cabelas or if the pictures on Bill’s Kienes site are any indicator maybe my new 10wt…or all of them!

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Hi All, As far as we are concerned, the lower Yuba River is the finest American Shad fishing river on the west coast. It is small, shallow and clear making it a real gem. Fishing it with expert guide Bob Sparre would be the smartest thing to do as the access is very limited. Early June is absolute prime time on all our rivers for Shad. Bob put himself through college by guiding on our local rivers. After graduation he found that he really enjoyed guiding and it was lucrative for him year round so he has been doing it full time for quite a while.

I’d really like to get at least four people together for a Yuba tip on Sunday, but so far the response has been underwhelming. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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As far as we are concerned, the lower Yuba River is the finest American Shad fishing river on the west coast. It is small, shallow and clear making it a real gem.

Thanks for setting all this up, Bill and rw. Quick question for ya, Bill — I’ve heard that with rare exceptions shad don’t make it above Daguerre Dam on the Yuba. Is this true? If so, how come? Are they more reticent than salmon and steelhead to jump a fish ladder? thanks, – sid

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RW, If I can make it to Sack-o-Tomatoes for the clave, I’ll do the Yuba with you, I won’t know for sure until a coupla weeks before the clave, tho. Danl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, As far as we are concerned, the lower Yuba River is the finest American Shad fishing river on the west coast. It is small, shallow and clear making it a real gem. Fishing it with expert guide Bob Sparre would be the smartest thing to do as the access is very limited. Early June is absolute prime time on all our rivers for Shad. Bob put himself through college by guiding on our local rivers. After graduation he found that he really enjoyed guiding and it was lucrative for him year round so he has been doing it full time for quite a while. I’d really like to get at least four people together for a Yuba tip on Sunday, but so far the response has been underwhelming. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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RW, If I can make it to Sack-o-Tomatoes for the clave, I’ll do the Yuba with you, I won’t know for sure until a coupla weeks before the clave, tho.

I’m sure we’d have to book the Yuba trip much sooner than that, Dan’l. Considering the lack of response, I’m not hopeful about setting up a guided boat trip on the Yuba. I figure that on Saturday we can decide if we want to drive up and wade it on our own. Bill says access is a problem because there’s a lot of private land. BTW, I’m thinking of going to the American River sometime before the Fishout, just to see what it’s like. Anyone interested in joining me? I’ll be driving from the Bay Area, and my schedule is very flexible. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I’m sure we’d have to book the Yuba trip much sooner than that, Dan’l. Considering the lack of response, I’m not hopeful about setting up a guided boat trip on the Yuba. I figure that on Saturday we can decide if we want to drive up and wade it on our own. Bill says access is a problem because there’s a lot of private land.

——- I’m in on the guided trip to the Yuba.  I hope more get on board, it sounds like a fine trip and obviously the guide is highly qualified.  Nice post from Bill and RW; I am tying away on the Shad flies.  I am going to sew up 3 dozen Shad Fish-Out Clave hats.  Think that will be enough Padishar Creel "Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft…and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor." –  Wernher von Braun

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location: American River, Sacramento, CA dates: Friday, June 1 to Sunday, June 3 Is anyone else interested a guided trip to the Yuba on Sunday (about 45 minutes from Sacramento)? I talked to a guide named Bob Sparre, recommended by Bill Kiene. Bob says that the way it works is that the boat shuttles you around to wading spots. I think that’s a fun way to fish. Bob has some private-water launch sites that could be interesting. If we can get four or more people it will be $100/person. Bring your own gear and food. BTW, this would also be shad fishing. Also BTW, Bob guides on the American River, too. He said that the past couple of years it’s been a "boat river", which I guess means tough to wade. There’s less snow in CA this year (I came over Donner Summit last weekend), so maybe we’ll be OK. On the other hand, it might be prudent to book boat guides on Saturday, too. Let me know what you think. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Hi All, As far as we are concerned, the lower Yuba River is the finest American Shad fishing river on the west coast. It is small, shallow and clear making it a real gem. Fishing it with expert guide Bob Sparre would be the smartest thing to do as the access is very limited. Early June is absolute prime time on all our rivers for Shad. Bob put himself through college by guiding on our local rivers. After graduation he found that he really enjoyed guiding and it was lucrative for him year round so he has been doing it full time for quite a while. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – location: American River, Sacramento, CA dates: Friday, June 1 to Sunday, June 3 Is anyone else interested a guided trip to the Yuba on Sunday (about 45 minutes from Sacramento)? I talked to a guide named Bob Sparre, recommended by Bill Kiene. Bob says that the way it works is that the boat shuttles you around to wading spots. I think that’s a fun way to fish. Bob has some private-water launch sites that could be interesting. If we can get four or more people it will be $100/person. Bring your own gear and food. BTW, this would also be shad fishing. Also BTW, Bob guides on the American River, too. He said that the past couple of years it’s been a "boat river", which I guess means tough to wade. There’s less snow in CA this year (I came over Donner Summit last weekend), so maybe we’ll be OK. On the other hand, it might be prudent to book boat guides on Saturday, too. Let me know what you think. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I recall that a couple years back, the slang for "cool" or "really great" was "fly". Gives "fly fishing" a whole new cachet, dontcha think? — "If you want to live like a Republican, vote Democratic" — Harry S. Truman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I’m new too the sport of "Fly"

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            I’m new too the sport of "Fly", but an avid fisherman back on the East Coast. Will be out  around Col. Springs in early October.

The South Platte is legendary. I fished Eleven Mile canyon when I was out in CoSprings on business last year at this time and it is absolutely, unbelievably gorgeous. Plus I even caught a few fish. It is about 1.5 hours from the town as I recall. I don’t know how it compares to other stretches of the river as far as productivity goes, but I cannot imagine a more jaw-dropping locale than the 11-Mile stretch. –Steve

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Folks,             I’m new too the sport of "Fly", but an avid fisherman back on the East Coast. Will be out  around Col. Springs in early October. Was wondering if there is any appreciable Fly fishing in this part of the State? I have seen folks fishing in and around Breakenridge, Gunnison (sp?), and Vail on a previous bike trip. How does Col. Springs stack up to these places and the rest of the state for that matter? Thanks in advance for any and all info Dan

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Wonder if there would be a level of interest in a news feed with pictures concerning RV’ing and camping. I would imagine that The users of this newsfeed have some photos they would like to "show off".

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Right on!  If anyone has pictures to post, please do so.  I’ve always enjoyed looking at people’s photo albums…. However, unless they’re extremely snot-nosed & dirty, pets are 100 times more fun to look at than pictures of children & grandkids – if you know what I mean – And I think you do! Highways are happy ways, so let’s see some pix!                                                         Don

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Right on!  If anyone has pictures to post, please do so.  I’ve always enjoyed looking at people’s photo albums….

Uh, no, please don’t post them here. Binaries (photos, music, etc.) are not allowed on most newsgroups, including this one. Here are two appropriate methods of sharing pictures with folks on a newsgroup: 1. Post them on a web page and then give the URL for anyone who is interested. 2. Indicate that you have them and that anyone who wants to see them should request them from you by private e-mail (not a newsgroup post, please).  You can then send them copies by e-mail. Distributing them this way keeps the rest of the newsgroup from having to download them. (Many newsreader programs don’t translate binary files anyway, so all most folks see is many lines of garbage.) Thanks. GB in NC

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Right on!  If anyone has pictures to post, please do so.  I’ve always enjoyed looking at people’s photo albums…. However, unless they’re extremely snot-nosed & dirty, pets are 100 times more fun to look at than pictures of children & grandkids – if you know what I mean – And I think you do! Highways are happy ways, so let’s see some pix!                                                        Don

WHOA,NELLY, git offa that horse!   Pullease DO NOT post pictures in text-only NG’s!   Will KD3XR —- the Curmudgeon of Sill Hill In order to become the master, the politician poses as the servant. Charles de Gaulle

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A better solution is to use a site such as PhotoPoint, or Zing, that offers free uploading and storage of the photo’s, in albums, with the ability to send notices to those who you want to view them. — Flutterby

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Right on!  If anyone has pictures to post, please do so.  I’ve always enjoyed looking at people’s photo albums…. However, unless they’re extremely snot-nosed & dirty, pets are 100 times more fun to look at than pictures of children & grandkids – if you know what I mean – And I think you do! Highways are happy ways, so let’s see some pix!                                                         Don

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Right on!  If anyone has pictures to post, please do so.  I’ve always enjoyed looking at people’s photo albums…. However, unless they’re extremely snot-nosed & dirty, pets are 100 times more fun to look at than pictures of children & grandkids – if you know what I mean – And I think you do! Highways are happy ways, so let’s see some pix!                                                        Don WHOA,NELLY, git offa that horse!   Pullease DO NOT post pictures in text-only NG’s!

True. It might be worth the bother to create another newsgroup  for RV picture posting, the rec.outdoors.fishing.fly newsgroup did that a few years back. That would give a way for anyone to easily post and share pictures without learning how to create a website. Only trouble with a binaries newsgroup is that they all get plastered with spam from porn sites unless they are strictly moderated.

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Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? Sounds like a good product to me but can’t find any (maybe that means it’s not such a good product idea). I am considering the Cabela’s Three Forks Featherlights, anyone have experience/comment on these or recommendations for other brands. Must be Y2K compliant. jim

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Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? Sounds like a good product to me but can’t find any (maybe that means it’s not such a good product idea).

The only waist high waders I have seen have been either breathable or neoprene. — Charlie…

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Jim,    I use featherweight stocking foot hip waders, but have never seen any Waist High’s. Ernie Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? Sounds like a good product to me but can’t find any (maybe that means it’s not such a good product idea). I am considering the Cabela’s Three Forks Featherlights, anyone have experience/comment on these or recommendations for other brands. Must be Y2K compliant. jim

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I use a pair from a company called OS systems.  I love ‘em, but don’t know where you can get them.  Maybe try Henry’s Fork Anglers, a friends nephew used to guide for them and might have gotten em from there ….. Tight Lines, Ed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? Sounds like a good product to me but can’t find any (maybe that means it’s not such a good product idea). I am considering the Cabela’s Three Forks Featherlights, anyone have experience/comment on these or recommendations for other brands. Must be Y2K compliant. jim

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Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders

Red Ball used to make them, (maybe still do),. Try Hook & Hackle. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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I Have contacted several fly shops and outfitters and no one has ever seen waist high featherlights, so I guess they don’t exist. I did go to Cabela’s web site and found last years Chest feathers on sale for $24.00. This years catalogue lists them for $49.00 with neoprene socks and improved stitching. Does anyone have the older ones, was there a problem with the feet? $24.00 to me seems like a hell of deal, unless the feet leak, then they ain’t worth 24cents. jim

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Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders?

I don’t know which brand they were, but I recently saw some waist high waders at the Bass Pro Shop in Gurnee Illinois.  Bass Pro Shop does a lot of catalog sales and I’d be very much surprised if they don’t have a web site.  Might be a good place to start looking.

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I made a command decision and ordered the closeout featherlight stockingfoot waders from Cabela’s for $24.00 (price seems too good to be true). My wife is a pro with the sewing machine, when I get em I’m going to have her look at the possibility of lopping off the tops and installing belt loops. Probably another one of my brilliant ideas that will meet with utter failure. jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? I don’t know which brand they were, but I recently saw some waist high waders at the Bass Pro Shop in Gurnee Illinois.  Bass Pro Shop does a lot of catalog sales and I’d be very much surprised if they don’t have a web site.  Might be a good place to start looking.

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Damn good idea Wolfgang. I had been thinking about the belt and didn’t really like it, the suspenders is a far far better idea. My wife will look at both options. Having never had featherlights before, you may be right and all I have to do is roll em down. jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I made a command decision and ordered the closeout featherlight stockingfoot waders from Cabela’s for $24.00 (price seems too good to be true). My wife is a pro with the sewing machine, when I get em I’m going to have her look at the possibility of lopping off the tops and installing belt loops. Probably another one of my brilliant ideas that will meet with utter failure. It should work Jim, but why bother?  It’s easy enough to roll down the top of the waders in warmer weather.  The roll may look a bit odd but it should tighten the fabric enough around your waist to make a belt unnecessary.  And then in colder conditions you still have a full length set of waders.  If you do go ahead with your plan I would recommend suspenders rather than the belt for a couple of reasons.  If you are concerned about heat, suspenders would leave the top open to provide a bit of circulation unlike a belt which will effectively seal the top and thus hold in heat.  I think suspenders are a more positive way to hold the top in place.  Belts can slide up and down.  Belts also rub against the fabric and will cause more wear.  Good luck.

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I made a command decision and ordered the closeout featherlight stockingfoot waders from Cabela’s for $24.00 (price seems too good to be true). My wife is a pro with the sewing machine, when I get em I’m going to have her look at the possibility of lopping off the tops and installing belt loops. Probably another one of my brilliant ideas that will meet with utter failure.

It should work Jim, but why bother?  It’s easy enough to roll down the top of the waders in warmer weather.  The roll may look a bit odd but it should tighten the fabric enough around your waist to make a belt unnecessary.  And then in colder conditions you still have a full length set of waders.  If you do go ahead with your plan I would recommend suspenders rather than the belt for a couple of reasons.  If you are concerned about heat, suspenders would leave the top open to provide a bit of circulation unlike a belt which will effectively seal the top and thus hold in heat.  I think suspenders are a more positive way to hold the top in place.  Belts can slide up and down.  Belts also rub against the fabric and will cause more wear.  Good luck.

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try Cabelas… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? I don’t know which brand they were, but I recently saw some waist high waders at the Bass Pro Shop in Gurnee Illinois.  Bass Pro Shop does a lot of catalog sales and I’d be very much surprised if they don’t have a web site.  Might be a good place to start looking.

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I Have contacted several fly shops and outfitters and no one has ever seen waist high featherlights, so I guess they don’t exist. I did go to Cabela’s web site and found last years Chest feathers on sale for $24.00.

I don’t know what mine are but I did get a cheapy pair of waders from Cabelas a few years ago for that price.  It’s nylon fabric with PVC coating on the inside.  The seams looked like they were heat pressed together (no stitching).  They leaked after the 3rd day of fishing. Mu

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Well I received the chest featherlights from Cabela’s today and now know why they were so cheap and a closeout item. "What a Piece-O-C**p. 10 minutes later they were in the return mail back to Cabela’s. I thought $24.00 was too good to be true. The feet of these waders are beyond description… Maybe their new sewn neoprene foot waders are better. They were light…. jim

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Jim: Apart from any other consideration, make it a point to get neoprene foot waders.  There is a world of difference using those compared with lightweights that have feet out of the lightweight wader material.  If you can do it, spring for the "low end" Orvis or Hodgman breathables – you won’t regret it. Somewhat over $100, as I recall. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I received the chest featherlights from Cabela’s today and now know why they were so cheap and a closeout item. "What a Piece-O-C**p. 10 minutes later they were in the return mail back to Cabela’s. I thought $24.00 was too good to be true. The feet of these waders are beyond description… Maybe their new sewn neoprene foot waders are better. They were light…. jim

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Check the Orvis Website.  They have the 2mm stretch neoprene waders on sale. DP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim: Apart from any other consideration, make it a point to get neoprene foot waders.  There is a world of difference using those compared with lightweights that have feet out of the lightweight wader material.  If you can do it, spring for the "low end" Orvis or Hodgman breathables – you won’t regret it. Somewhat over $100, as I recall. Mark Faulkner Well I received the chest featherlights from Cabela’s today and now know why they were so cheap and a closeout item. "What a Piece-O-C**p. 10 minutes later they were in the return mail back to Cabela’s. I thought $24.00 was too good to be true. The feet of these waders are beyond description… Maybe their new sewn neoprene foot waders are better. They were light…. jim

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just a quick question from a beginner. i’ve read all about weight of fly lines and matching lines to rods etc, but i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be? philip

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just a quick question from a beginner. i’ve read all about weight of fly lines and matching lines to rods etc, but i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be? philip

Our club has alot of tuna fly fishing freaks and some of them have broken fly lines on fish. I’m led to believe the core of nearly all fly lines is only 25-40 lb. 20 lb is normally the heaviest tippet you can use ( IGFA class ) but in Australia our National Sportfishing Association allows 15 kg tippet (over 30 lb). Some shooting heads have broken (in the middle somewhere) during fights with big Yellowfin on these heavy tippets, which from all accounts can be a little demoralising. Regard John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders

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You are correct, it is not important. — Remove nospam to send E-mail Ernie Harrison   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line,

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – just a quick question from a beginner. i’ve read all about weight of fly lines and matching lines to rods etc, but i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be? philip Our club has alot of tuna fly fishing freaks and some of them have broken fly lines on fish. I’m led to believe the core of nearly all fly lines is only 25-40 lb. 20 lb is normally the heaviest tippet you can use ( IGFA class ) but in Australia our National Sportfishing Association allows 15 kg tippet (over 30 lb). Some shooting heads have broken (in the middle somewhere) during fights with big Yellowfin on these heavy tippets, which from all accounts can be a little demoralising. Regard John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders

Hi all, I think that fly lines #5 through #7 are built on  20# test braided line. I think #8 lines and larger are built on 30# test braided line. I know it is easier to needle knot a butt into a #8 line. It seem very hard to get a butt into a #2/3/4 weight line. I think that a line that is about 10 years old will have a weaker core because of the age. We now have lines with single mono cores and with braided mono cores. Some of the real fast sinking lines have a floss like twisted core. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be?

Irrelevant, i.e. a fine example of information that could be got but nobody conceivably needs.  You can see from the structure (dacron braid) that it would be in the range 50 to 150 lb., viz. stronger than all leader knots, backing, backing knot etc. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be?

Irrelevant, i.e. a fine example of information that could be got but nobody conceivably needs.  You can see from the structure (dacron braid) that it would be in the range 50 to 150 lb., viz. stronger than all leader knots, backing, backing knot etc. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         | Even though the leader breaks, you still (at least I do) have to worry occassionaly about stepping on the line, puling down branches entwined in the line, and extracting it after getting wedged in rocks. :=) William Buchman

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just a quick question from a beginner. i’ve read all about weight of fly lines and matching lines to rods etc, but i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be?

As others have said that is mostly irrelevant information, however to give you some perspective on it, the floating running line used in shooting heads are about the same size as the belly section of a 2 wt. line and they are typically 30lb. breaking strength.  Six or seven wt. lines would be much stronger and the only real problem would be cutting them on a sharp object (cut a line in half on barnacles once, have seen lines cut in half with Stream Cleats) or cutting into the coating enough with a leader knot or other sharp object that the line hinges instead of smoothly transferring energy.  Never heard of a fly line just breaking.  It’s by far the strongest part of the line system.                              Hope this helps,                                   Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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   I am planning to go up to the west branch of the Ausable around May16th. My concern was what the water level is like and if there has been any fly hatches, per se, I am planning on fishing the trophy section for a day or 2, then try my luck below the damn.     Last year I was up this same time of year and did very well with Dark Hendricksons, and Wolly Buggers, but last year we had much less snow and rain.      Any information on conditions and such would be greatly appreciated.      Thanks.

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   I am planning to go up to the west branch of the Ausable around May16th. My concern was what the water level is like and if there has been any fly hatches, per se, I am planning on fishing the trophy section for a day or

FYI it snowed in the Adirondacks the morning of May 12: not much accumulation but it accumulated…. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I have heard that when fighting a hooked trout it is a good idea to keep the rod as close to the water as possible-the idea being that upward pressure spooks the fish more than sideways pressure.  Any thoughts? Plus, what do you do if you have hooked a large fish on a light tippet and he has run 50 yds. down stream and there is no way for you to walk downstream?  Should you try to muscle him in? Tarpon

   A). Sideways pressure wears out a fish quickly because it is forced to swim against the force "unbalanced". Direct upward pressure allows a fish to point his nose down and "square" against the resistance of your rod (just as if you were dragging a sack of concrete on a rope, it would be easier to do so with the rope over your shoulders and the weight squared against your body.    More importantly, with a rod held high you are applying force with the limber tip of the rod. Pulling to the side with rod held low you are almost automatically using the stronger lower third of the rod to muscle the fish.    B). With a fish stubbornly holding downcurrent, you can flake line into the water so that a belly developes in the line downstream of the fish. Very often (almost always in my experience) the fish will resist the pull coming from below him and will swim upstream towards you.       Hope that helped.    -Ralph Ralph Cutter, California School of Flyfishing. http://www.flyline.com

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[Cut]    More importantly, with a rod held high you are applying force with the limber tip of the rod. Pulling to the side with rod held low you are almost automatically using the stronger lower third of the rod to muscle the fish.[Cut]

OK, I realize I was dating some girl at the time and physics class was all the way over on the other campus but I don’t believe that the point expressed above is valid.  Gravity is not a major component of this problem so up, down, and side aren’t major issues.  The angle of the line to the rod is the critical issue.  This angle isn’t necessarily changed by lowering the rod to your side.  The angle is changed by lowering or raising the rod tip in the direction of the fish – regardless of whether you are holding the rod above your head or out to the side.   —     David J. Ebinger                     216-966-9702     Ebinger Equipment Co.                Fax 966-7671     http://www.bright.net/~ebco/

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Any suggestions for where to find flyfishing sites on the worldwide web? Is this in a fishing FAQ?  If so where is it?                  /                 /                                            John Woodling              o/                                             Sacramento, CA              /                                                                <     <

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Any suggestions for where to find flyfishing sites on the worldwide web? Is this in a fishing FAQ?  If so where is it?

I keep a fly fishing web page mostly dedicated to the state of Arizona, but also with some more general information, including a long list of links to other pages.  I hope this helps. John Shannon Fly Fishing in Arizona http://www.indirect.com/user/jshannon

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Any suggestions for where to find flyfishing sites on the worldwide

web? For starters, try  http://www.geo.mtu.edu/~jsuchosk/fish/fishpage This has a lot of hypertext leads to other places.  It’ll keep you surfing until the green drakes hatch.                                           Catch and release,                                                              Phil Holt

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: Any suggestions for where to find flyfishing sites on the worldwide web? : Is this in a fishing FAQ?  If so where is it? :     Hi- FAQ URL: http://www.geo.mtu.edu:80/~jsuchosk/fish/all-faqs.html List of flyfishing web sites (and fishing sites in general): http://www.gorp.com/gorp/activity/fishing.htm Hope this helps, Diane

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Hi everyone, I just started fly tying (a X-Mas gift) and I like it very much. I’m astounded at what I can do with my ten thumbs. I was wandering if there was any flies database? A database that would include pattern, variance, region for fishing the fly and an image of the fly to see it before tying it. If this databse exist, where? Thank you for your time and patience. Dep. Sc.Education           FrancoMedia: 101:190/600 U.Q.T.R.                    FidoNet    : 1:167/420 C.P.500                     Fax        : (819) 376-5127 Trois-Rivieres, Que.        Phone      : (819) 376-5095 (messages) CANADA   G9A 5H7             ~~~ * VbReader 2.22 #67 * Diner non pret: (A)vorter (R)eessayer (P)izza

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There is a very good IBM program which I think is called Flybase that does what you describe. There is a company in Boston called Hypercomplete Angler that sells a mac based program as well. Computer based fishing programs were covered in one of last year’s Fly Fisherman magazines. The Flybase program is now carried by many fly shops. I know Gates Au Sable Lodge in Grayling Michigan carries it.  Good Luck–Steve Rosenblum, Ann Arbor.

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