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1. Nothing, I do it all the time. 2. Nothing, if it helps to catch fish…it has worked for me. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED ASST. OLD FART OF ROFF OLD, GRAY, TIRED SWAPMEISTER TIRED OF THIS POLITICAL BULLSHIT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, I hope no one reports me for going OT, but I’ve decided we’ve had enough dilly dallying; it’s time to talk serious politics and try to raise a little debate in this group for once. What’s wrong with fishing downstream? and What’s wrong with fishing a dropper rig with an indicator? Shell away. — "Q: May I ask why this crap is on a flyfishing newsgroup??" "A: This is a flyfishing people newsgroup.  It’s a bunch of people who happen to flyfish talking about various topics that they might talk about while fishing." -Ken Janik (who keeps winding up in my signature files)

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I’m with Frank on this one!  Hell I’ll even cast some bait, if it will catch me a prize winning young (female) divorcee.  Frank’s da man! Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1. Nothing, I do it all the time. 2. Nothing, if it helps to catch fish…it has worked for me. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED ASST. OLD FART OF ROFF OLD, GRAY, TIRED SWAPMEISTER TIRED OF THIS POLITICAL BULLSHIT OK, I hope no one reports me for going OT, but I’ve decided we’ve had enough dilly dallying; it’s time to talk serious politics and try to raise a little debate in this group for once. What’s wrong with fishing downstream? and What’s wrong with fishing a dropper rig with an indicator? Shell away. — "Q: May I ask why this crap is on a flyfishing newsgroup??" "A: This is a flyfishing people newsgroup.  It’s a bunch of people who happen to flyfish talking about various topics that they might talk about while fishing." -Ken Janik (who keeps winding up in my signature files)

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I’m with Frank on this one!  Hell I’ll even cast some bait, if it will catch me a prize winning young (female) divorcee.  Frank’s da man!

Just remember, Opie, that the big fish usually don’t bite on small baits… Kevin

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What’s wrong with fishing downstream?  Nothing at all my friend.  I do all the time on my favorite rivers.  The fish don’t seem to mind and I actually get some very entertaining strikes by letting my fly loop downstream and then stripping it down and across as it drags. I will say that there are situations where casting upstream is required to do well but most of the time, walking down the stream works fine. Mike Wilson

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fishing downstream can be particularly effective…try fishing a softhackle normally upstream then letting it tail out behind you as it goes downstream….caught alot of fish this way…kindof simulates and emerging nymph….try it….youll be surprised… roy

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You been peeping into my window at night Kevin? — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m with Frank on this one!  Hell I’ll even cast some bait, if it will catch me a prize winning young (female) divorcee.  Frank’s da man! Just remember, Opie, that the big fish usually don’t bite on small baits… Kevin

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Hi All on the Caribbean Travel News Group, If you have any questions about traveling or staying in Belize, I would contacted Marge Perez. She runs a travel agency at the International airport outside Belize City. Margie worked for Tropic Air for many years and knows the country better than most people. She has friends or relatives in many places in Belize. She is used by the famous Orvis Company (USA) for cordinating their customers that travel to Belize. She is on-line and will have a web site up soon. I have a good knowledge of the fly fishing in Belize if you need any help there.

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I have a good knowledge of the fly fishing in Belize if you need any help there——What kind if fly fishing? In streams or in bays? What kind of fish?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All on the Caribbean Travel News Group, If you have any questions about traveling or staying in Belize, I would contacted Marge Perez. She runs a travel agency at the International airport outside Belize City. Margie worked for Tropic Air for many years and knows the country better than most people. She has friends or relatives in many places in Belize. She is used by the famous Orvis Company (USA) for cordinating their customers that travel to Belize. She is on-line and will have a web site up soon. I have a good knowledge of the fly fishing in Belize if you need any help there.

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Have you found that those folks asking for quotes on 4 different boats with 16 different power options do or do not end up buying boats from you?  - Bud

I hold my breath for the day I sell a single boat via the web, Bud. I spend hours working on quotes and have not had a single sale to date. My feeling is that most people are using my quote to ensure their dealer is not out of line. Great for them, a poor allocation of time and resources for me. I suspect the used boats page (when up later this month) will prove more productive. — Regards,         Dave Brown         Brown’s Marina         Ontario, Canada         http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

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Dave, with a Zero to X hit ratio, why do you bother to continue with the internet quotes?

Have you found that those folks asking for quotes on 4 different boats with 16 different power options do or do not end up buying boats from you?  -

Bud I hold my breath for the day I sell a single boat via the web, Bud. I spend hours working on quotes and have not had a single sale to date. My feeling is that most people are using my quote to ensure their dealer is not out of line. Great for them, a poor allocation of time and resources for me. I suspect the used boats page (when up later this month) will prove more productive. — Regards,         Dave Brown         Brown’s Marina         Ontario, Canada         http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

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Dave, with a Zero to X hit ratio, why do you bother to continue with the internet quotes?

I guess because I’m waiting to see whether or not it will change in the future. The reality is, people are far more apt to be rude and demanding via the Internet than by phone because of anonymity and I suspect I will grow tired of this sooner rather than later. — Regards,         Dave Brown         Brown’s Marina         Ontario, Canada         http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

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I hold my breath for the day I sell a single boat via the web, Bud. I spend hours working on quotes and have not had a single sale to date. My feeling is that most people are using my quote to ensure their dealer is not out of line. Great for them, a poor allocation of time and resources for me. I suspect the used boats page (when up later this month) will prove more productive. — Regards,        Dave Brown        Brown’s Marina        Ontario, Canada        http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

Dave, I think you’ll find your web site will indeed sell used product better than new.   Our web site has been very sucessful in marketing brokerage boats. Although I have been told by others their web based marketing attracts buyers for smaller boats, we’ve found just the opposite to be true. Good luck       bbys floridaboats.net

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Dave; For what it’s worth… I judge a new boat dealer based on before and after-sales service and that overall "comfort level" we can achieve that makes me feel that I’m being dealt with honestly and fairly and that I will be taken care of, whatever may come.  I would imagine it would be tough to get that over the web.  I would and have paid more to go with the dealer of my choice and would do so again. On used boats, it’s all a matter of price and survey, so I would agree that used boats would make a lot more sense on the web. On the other hand, maybe this just means that, if you keep at it, and find the right formula to get people to feel comfortable with buying boats off the web, maybe you will end up a gazillion-aire!  I don’t know where you are, but I have seen auto dealers that advertise that they will fly you to their dealership to see the car of your choice.  Maybe that’s what it would take to get them in the door, but you’d have to be really good at qualifying and pre-closing sales!  Just make them keep fishing or waterskiing and don’t let them back to the dock until they buy… ;o) Good Luck and Keep the Flame! – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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boy, when those Canadians vent you can just feel the flames all the way down south.

Does this signal an early spring since Dave is thawing things out early? Bruce Edwards Shreveport Yacht Club It revealed to me, down in my soul, there were two shooters on the grassy knoll, we never walked on the moon, Elvis ain’t dead, you ain’t goin’ crazy, it’s all in your head. Let us sing.

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Dave; Have you found that those folks asking for quotes on 4 different boats with 16 different power options do or do not end up buying boats from you?  - Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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Yep, I think he has Carl, Tell me , does an assult rifle have enough range to hit a target in florida from ontario?? hmmm, I better go check talk.politics.guns. till then I wear my kevlar cause I emailed dave for advice yesterday – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – LOOK OUT!!! Dave’s gone postal on us!!! Sorry Dave. . . I just couldn’t resist. If that’s venting, than you’ve got a lot more paitents than I do. I do agree with unspamming your addresses though. Carl G. Craver

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boy, when those Canadians vent you can just feel the flames all the way down south. Has a Canadian Mail Service Employee ever gone postal? — — Jim Proud, but feeble minded Regal Owner Analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog: nobody enjoys it, and the

| It’s been a frustrating week in the e-mail department and I’m due to | vent again. | | Look folks, when you e-mail requesting information about a price or | service to anyone privately, UNSPAM you’re damn address so they don’t | have to find out after they deleted your inquiry that it bounced. | | One other pet peeve — asking for a quote on 4 models of boats with | sixteen motor options is simply unfair. Spend some time narrowing down | your search to make the request reasonable. | | The reality is, none of the people reading this post are the ones doing | this as these types of requests are usually generated by people who | surfed by my site. The reason I’m posting this is for anyone who who is | guilty of this when buying anything else on the net — think about what | you’re asking for. Reasonable requests get reasonable, timely replies. | | — | Regards, |         Dave Brown |         Brown’s Marina |         Ontario, Canada |         http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca | |

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s been a frustrating week in the e-mail department and I’m due to vent again. Look folks, when you e-mail requesting information about a price or service to anyone privately, UNSPAM you’re damn address so they don’t have to find out after they deleted your inquiry that it bounced. One other pet peeve — asking for a quote on 4 models of boats with sixteen motor options is simply unfair. Spend some time narrowing down your search to make the request reasonable. The reality is, none of the people reading this post are the ones doing this as these types of requests are usually generated by people who surfed by my site. The reason I’m posting this is for anyone who who is guilty of this when buying anything else on the net — think about what you’re asking for. Reasonable requests get reasonable, timely replies. — Regards,        Dave Brown        Brown’s Marina        Ontario, Canada        http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

LOOK OUT!!! Dave’s gone postal on us!!! Sorry Dave. . . I just couldn’t resist. If that’s venting, than you’ve got a lot more paitents than I do. I do agree with unspamming your addresses though. Carl G. Craver

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It’s been a frustrating week in the e-mail department and I’m due to vent again. Look folks, when you e-mail requesting information about a price or service to anyone privately, UNSPAM you’re damn address so they don’t have to find out after they deleted your inquiry that it bounced. One other pet peeve — asking for a quote on 4 models of boats with sixteen motor options is simply unfair. Spend some time narrowing down your search to make the request reasonable. The reality is, none of the people reading this post are the ones doing this as these types of requests are usually generated by people who surfed by my site. The reason I’m posting this is for anyone who who is guilty of this when buying anything else on the net — think about what you’re asking for. Reasonable requests get reasonable, timely replies. — Regards,        Dave Brown        Brown’s Marina        Ontario, Canada        http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

I thought that only happened to me.  The one I like is the question to list the max speeds with all possible engine combos and payloads. Bill McCarty www.sandycreekws.com

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It’s been a frustrating week in the e-mail department and I’m due to vent again. Look folks, when you e-mail requesting information about a price or service to anyone privately, UNSPAM you’re damn address so they don’t have to find out after they deleted your inquiry that it bounced. One other pet peeve — asking for a quote on 4 models of boats with sixteen motor options is simply unfair. Spend some time narrowing down your search to make the request reasonable. The reality is, none of the people reading this post are the ones doing this as these types of requests are usually generated by people who surfed by my site. The reason I’m posting this is for anyone who who is guilty of this when buying anything else on the net — think about what you’re asking for. Reasonable requests get reasonable, timely replies. — Regards,         Dave Brown         Brown’s Marina         Ontario, Canada         http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

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I’m going to be canoeing in the Allagash this summer (late July/August).  Any thoughts in this group on what the fishing up there is like?  I’ve heard it’s not very good.  Should I even bother?  What should/shouldn’t I take.   Obviously I need to minimize the gear I will be taking. John

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Hi John, I am  Maine Guide and have did the Allagash many times. There certain times of the year when you can catch all the brook trout you want, then there are times you wish you had stayed home. Usually June and the early part of July are the best. If you fly fish bring a Wordens Worry, if you don’t fly fish dig your worms and grubs along the bank. Then there are those excellent trout p[onds all along the way. Good luck!!!! Gene – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to be canoeing in the Allagash this summer (late July/August). Any thoughts in this group on what the fishing up there is like?  I’ve heard it’s not very good.  Should I even bother?  What should/shouldn’t I take. Obviously I need to minimize the gear I will be taking. John

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I am new to fly fishing and plan to begin by fishing near some property I own in East Branch, NY.  I have the basics to begin (I think). Any suggestions on some good fishing sites in the area. I am just of exit 90 on Route 17. Thanks Jim

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What do mean East Branch , NY ?  Is it near the East Branch of the Delaware?  If it is you should be pretty happy.  Just don’t expect to catch too many fish too soon.  It is very technical(hard) fishing and the trout are used to their meals being served on a silver platter.  Yur fly and cast need to be near perfect.  Try Fish’s Eddy to start with . Gordon I am new to fly fishing and plan to begin by fishing near some property I own in East Branch, NY.  I have the basics to begin (I think). Any suggestions on some good fishing sites in the area. I am just of exit 90 on Route 17. Thanks Jim

– Flyfish NC http://www.planet-nc.com/flyfishnc/ Striped Bass on the Roanoke River, Hybrids on Jordan Lake, Largemouths on surface.  Pickup and dropoff in Research Triangle Park

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I publish a warmwater newsletter called "Jack Ellis’ Reflections on the Pond".  We try to cover everything the warmwater angler needs from fly patterns to philosphy.  I’ll be happy to send free samples and subscription info to anybody who wants it.  All you have to do is e-mail me your Postal (snail mail) address.                                         Brian Shivers

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I publish a warmwater newsletter called "Jack Ellis’ Reflections on the Pond".  We try to cover everything the warmwater angler needs from fly patterns to philosphy.  I’ll be happy to send free samples and subscription info to anybody who wants it.  All you have to do is e-mail me your Postal (snail mail) address.                                         Brian Shivers

Explain "Warmwater"… Mike

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Dear Newsgroup, I appologise in advance for dredging up this recurrent question of which waders to buy. I have beeen fly fishing for about a month now and have come to realise the necessity of owning a pair of waders, however, I don’t know what sort to go for. Gortex or Neoprene, stocking with seperate boot or boot inclusive. I am looking for something that is   multi-purpose ie. can be used on rivers, lakes and streams.     Any advice will be gratefully received. J.J. Mc Dougall.

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Dear Newsgroup, I appologise in advance for dredging up this recurrent question of which waders to buy. I have beeen fly fishing for about a month now and have come to realise the necessity of owning a pair of waders, however, I don’t know what sort to go for. Gortex or Neoprene, stocking with seperate boot or boot inclusive. I am looking for something that is multi-purpose ie. can be used on rivers, lakes and streams.     Any advice will be gratefully received. J.J. Mc Dougall.

Hi J.J. Mc Dougall,         I own the Simms Neoprene waders, I feel these are the best waders on the market. They are constructed with a sealed glued and taped seam much like other high quality waders but there is no crotch seam witch is the second most likly spot to spring a leak, the first being the feet of course. The feet on the sims waders are made of a much thicker neoprene and taped with a heavy tacky rubber tape to keep your feet from sliding around in your wading boot. The shoulder strap will click together so on hot days you can fold the chest half of the waders down and wear them as waist height waders. The best feature to me though is how soft they are. You will see alot of people put their neoprenes on over their pants, well they’re not realy meant for that because it gets pretty bulky under there especialy in July. Because there are so soft you don’t have to worry about any chaffing. They come in both Stocking foot and boot foot styles I prefer the stocking foot because I do alot of float tubing and the boot foot does not give you enough ankle movement, the boot foot are however more convenient, so both have pros and cons. I personaly would stay away from the gortex waders they tear easy and I’m told they leak alot they are also not nearly as versitle as neoprenes. Good Luck! Joe Weisenburger jr.

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writes: I appologise in advance for dredging up this recurrent question of

which waders to buy. I have beeen fly fishing for about a month now and have come to

realise the necessity of owning a pair of waders, however, I don’t know what sort to go for.

Gortex or Neoprene, stocking with seperate boot or boot inclusive. I am looking for something that is   multi-purpose ie. can be used on rivers, lakes and streams.    Any advice will be gratefully received. J.J. Mc Dougall.

I recomend you get some catalogs, decide how much time you are willing to spend suiting up(stocking foot waders take more time to put on), how cold the weather is when you will be fishing (thickness of neoprene is some what dependent on this), how many times a year (or days) you wil be fishing(thickness also depends on this), how much money you are willing to spend on waders(life of the waders will depend on this and the previous two). Pick out waders you like inthe catalogs that fit the above criteria, go to your favorite local shop and buy the ones they have that most closely match your catalog pick(this way you have a face to talk to).

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: Okay, what’s the best (and most frugal) slip bobber stop? : : I’ve always had pretty good luck using rubber bands.  Tie them bellow : the bobber at whatever depth you want and then trim off the excess with : toe-nail clippers. I’ve always used dental floss, tying it around the line using a uni-knot. The major advantage of using the dental floss is that IT NEVER INTERFERES WITH CASTING especially if the depth you set is more than 20′. Rubber bands, mono’s and braided lines will snag your line in the spool when you try long casts causing a backfire pull. There is a way to avoid this: everytime you reel your line you manually put the stop in the back of the spool so that it will not interfere with your casting. I always forget so I only use dental floss, but of course, there is a finesse technique to use it efficiently, otherwise it would come off often and may be more of a problem to a new user.

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Okay, what’s the best (and most frugal) slip bobber stop? I’ve always had pretty good luck using rubber bands.  Tie them bellow the bobber at whatever depth you want and then trim off the excess with toe-nail clippers. — xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jeff Mills                                                     xxx Lexis-Nexis                                                    xxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I usually use a small piece of mono…. Works great and there always some laying around the boat.

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Okay, what’s the best (and most frugal) slip bobber stop? I’ve always had pretty good luck using rubber bands.  Tie them bellow the bobber at whatever depth you want and then trim off the excess with toe-nail clippers. — xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jeff Mills                                                     xxx Lexis-Nexis                                                    xxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, what’s the best (and most frugal) slip bobber stop? I’ve always had pretty good luck using rubber bands.  Tie them bellow the bobber at whatever depth you want and then trim off the excess with toe-nail clippers. — xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jeff Mills                                                     xxx Lexis-Nexis                                                    xxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I usually use a small piece of mono…. Works great and there always some laying around the boat.

In regard to the best slip bobber stops, I feel that braided dacron fishing line of 18 lbs. test or less works well. Heck, even simple kite string has worked very well for me. However, in terms of the "best" and cheapest, I feel that Cortland’s braided "Micron" 20 lb test flyline backing makes the best stopper knots. Sold at most better fly shops, one spool will probably last one a lifetime of float fishing. I like it for its ability to grip the line well, and because it ties a nice, tight, compact, and easy-to-see stopper knot.      For storage on the river, I use six-inch lengths pre-cut and knotted to a size 5 barrel swivel, which is hooked through one of the D-rings or zipper pulls on my vest or rainjacket.This method,combined with the brilliant yellow color, always reminds me that I  have the stopper knot material with me! And I always know just how much of it I have.      Rubber bands work, and I have used them, but they sometimes grab on the guides or more disconcertingly, pop off and allow the weight to sink and snag up. I never did like rubber bands. I have even used 10 lb test monofilament. That works too, provided your floats or beads have small enough holes.

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Anyone have the conditions on the stream.  I expect to be in Deposit in three weeks and sure would like to hear from someone who’s been there.

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east & west branches are very low ,as is the main branch. Right now march browns are hatching, in a week or so I expect to see Green drakes. The first release is not scheduled untl 6/15. If we don’t get some rain soon fishing will be seriously affected. I will be spending a few days there at the end of the week ,will report on conditiions

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: east & west branches are very low ,as is the main branch. Right now march : browns are hatching, in a week or so I expect to see Green drakes. The : first release is not scheduled untl 6/15. If we don’t get some rain soon : fishing will be seriously affected. I will be spending a few days there at : the end of the week ,will report on conditiions I was on the fly stretch just below Deposit last night.  Very low is right. We got there about 7:00pm, and there was a blizzard of caddis coming off in the riffle just below the main parking access.  Some hendricksons and march browns.  We got into one of our favorite spots and the fish were in a frenzy.  They seemed to be hitting on emergers, since swarms of fish would roil the surface, and you couldn’t see any flies.  Casting into the roils didn’t produce too well.  Eventually, we tried some no hackle hendricksons with a white parachute, and then the action was great until dark.  My partner had a better spot, I think, and is a better fisherman. He caught 5 in half an hour, I had 3.  Largest 16". Also, I heard that the march browns are hatching on the main branch where the water is a little warmer, but the hendricksons are still on the west branch. That’s only word of mouth though. -Jeff

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Why they are fishing with a bamboo shaped rod and not with an original ??

Modern graphite rods can cast considerably farther than bamboo, and the long false-casts made the casting scenes more dramatic, especially to non-flyfisher folks. They are much better and softer than these plastic rods.

Thats a strong statement.   Fish and fishing-waters come in all shapes, sizes, and characteristics.   There is hardly one best rod. You can serve the fly much softer…

Nice when needed, but what about techniques that require hard presentations? Also (an example), many steelhead rivers in the pacific northwest are large and fast – soft presentations are a don’t care, but long casts with potentially large flies are very useful. … and for some special technics I don’t know the name in english (when you have to feel the bite …

Nymphing?   Hard or soft, don’t care.   Sensitive, do care! … or you want to lead the fly against the flow) …

Many "swinging" techniques including wet fly swings, greased-line, lifts, etc.  It’s very debatable whether soft or hard is better. In Germany most of the good fly-fisher are fishing with bamboo-rods. What is it in USA ??

Many serious fly fisherman I know own bamboo (often lots of), but most only use them for "mood" or nostalgic moments, usually accompanied by a pipe or cigar, and possibly some whisky. I certainly enjoyed casting three different bamboo rods, and have my sights on buying some bamboo, but right or wrong, am spoiled and won’t give up my graphite. Thomas Gilg

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Some technical things in the movie were done beautifully.  Powell made bamboo shaped graphite rods to look like the originals,  and even matched all of the rod decorations, windings, etc., and the special lines that would show up on film were spectacular.   Why they are fishing with a bamboo shaped rod and not with an original ??

The main reason seems to be that the original Montague 8 1/2" 4 1/2 oz bamboos are now very rare and *very* valuable.  In the movie they only used Montagues for close ups and for shots where they needed the slower action of the cane rod.  They did not want to break any rods when playing buckets full of rocks or even when fighting "Fernando", the model fish. Denbigh

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| They are much better and softer than these plastic rods. | | Thats a strong statement.   Fish and fishing-waters come in all shapes, | sizes, and characteristics.   There is hardly one best rod. | | You can serve the fly much softer… | | Nice when needed, but what about techniques that require hard presentations? | | Also (an example), many steelhead rivers in the pacific northwest are | large and fast – soft presentations are a don’t care, but long casts | with potentially large flies are very useful. Yes you are right. Here in Germany we dont’t have these large fast rivers and no steeelhaeds. We have small rivers with with good natural grayling and trout populations. So for this ‘fine’ fishing I think they are the best choice because of their soft and special action that you can’t reach with artificial rods. | | … and for some special technics I don’t know the name in english (when | you have to feel the bite … | | Nymphing?   Hard or soft, don’t care.   Sensitive, do care! Yes, it’s a kind of nymphing. | … or you want to lead the fly against the flow) … | | Many "swinging" techniques including wet fly swings, greased-line, | lifts, etc.  It’s very debatable whether soft or hard is better. For wet fly it’s O.K.. But I mean for dry fly you need a in your words ’sensitive’ (excuse my english) rod and a good technik to imitate a fly running up the stream. Otherwise your fly is diving like a submarine. | | In Germany most of the good fly-fisher are fishing with bamboo-rods. | What is it in USA ?? | | Many serious fly fisherman I know own bamboo (often lots of), but most | only use them for "mood" or nostalgic moments, usually accompanied by | a pipe or cigar, and possibly some whisky. | | I certainly enjoyed casting three different bamboo rods, and have my | sights on buying some bamboo, but right or wrong, am spoiled and won’t | give up my graphite. | | Thomas Gilg Sure it has something nostalgic, maybe I am nostalgic too. I think you will agree with me when I say flyfishing is more than a hi-tec sport and not only the facts make you (and me) to buy a bamboo rod. And as longer I fish it’s more the fish in the water which fascinates me than the fish in my bag. It’s like the last sentence in Sherley Mc Lanes roman. In German it’s "Ich werde von Wassern verfolgt.". In english it has to be something like this: "I am followed by waters."       Olaf <Olaf Lindner                      | Technical University of Berlin    

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etc. It’s like the last sentence in Sherley Mc Lanes roman. In German it’s "Ich werde von Wassern verfolgt.". In english it has to be something like this: "I am followed by waters."       Olaf

My soul cringes at the thought of Shirley McLane (sp?) writing about fly fishing.  A River Runs Through It was written by *Norman* Maclean. Shirley M. is a weird US actress with strong views on her previous lives; Norman M. was very different. Incidentally, in the original he wrote "haunted" not "followed." Denbigh

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Olaf Lindner writes: A friend of mine has 15 bamboo-rods, all made by Bjarne Fries probably the best bamboo-rod builder in the world each about 1200$.

Olaf if your friend had graphite instead of bamboo he could probable cover the same range of fishing situations with 6 to 8 rods at rather than 15.  Graphite has greater latitude.  He’d also have $12,000 to go to New Zealand.  I know where I’ll spend my money.

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| | Olaf if your friend had graphite instead of bamboo he could probable cover | the same range of fishing situations with 6 to 8 rods at rather than 15.   That’s true but the point is not the range of fishing situations than the specia l action of a well built split cane rod. I see that this is a very dificult theme and at the end a personal decision. | Graphite has greater latitude.  He’d also have $12,000 to go to New Zealand.  I know | where I’ll spend my money. Hope you have fun. Olaf (Excuse me about the mistake with the names ‘Sherley’ and ‘Norman’. I don’t know  who it (Sherley) is (I only heard the name sometimes in the TV) but it sounds t errible.) — <Olaf Lindner                      | Technical University of Berlin    

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Why they are fishing with a bamboo shaped rod and not with an original ??

Thomas J. Gilg’s response to Olaf Lindner is right on the mark.  The only thing I can add is that bamboo rod’s are wonderful for small eastern spring creeks with lot’s of brush overhead.  Maybe Olaf is faced with kind of situation.   One other thought is that not every bamboo rod is good.  I’ve cast lots of junk.  Good rods seem to start at around $1000 (new or old).  The collection craze has recently driven the price of bamboo rods out of sight good and bad.  I’ve seen people at shows pay +$400 for a machine made japanese piece of junk.  I just can’t justify paying +$1000 for a rod that for all it’s beauty will be out performed by a rod of 1/3 to 1/2 the price.

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Some technical things in the movie were done beautifully.  Powell made bamboo shaped graphite rods to look like the originals,  and even matched all of the rod decorations, windings, etc., and the special lines that would show up on film were spectacular.  

Why they are fishing with a bamboo shaped rod and not with an original ?? They are much better and softer than these plastic rods. I got my first Spilt Cane rod on a Fly-Fishing congress in Germany these Spring for 800,- DM (about 500$). A friend of mine has 15 bamboo-rods, all made by Bjarne Fries probably the best bamboo-rod builder in the world each about 1200$. O.K. I agree with you when you say that’s crazy but Most people who have fished with one of these rods they will never again take these plastics. You can serve the fly much softer and for some special technics I don’t know the name in english (when you have to feel the bite or you want to lead the fly against the flow) they are probably the best choice because they are so soft and have and have a very special action. In Germany most of the good fly-fisher are fishing with bamboo-rods. What is it in USA ?? Olaf — <Olaf Lindner                      | Technical University of Berlin    

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