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[snipped] Great story.  I can feel the slime and smell the penetrating odor from here

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……On Saturday at a Back Yard Burger I saw four young Elvises (Elvii) getting out of a powder blue 1962 Buick convertible.

The dude DOES get around.  He spends his days picking up trash at Children’s Hospital of Wisconsin, here in Milwaukee. Wolfgang i guess the king of rock-n-roll biz ain’t what it used to was.

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Great story.  I can feel the slime and smell the penetrating odor from here

TAKE A SHOWER ALREADY! mEMPHIS jIM No, I haven’t seen Elvis this week.

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says… Great story.  I can feel the slime and smell the penetrating odor from here TAKE A SHOWER ALREADY! mEMPHIS jIM No, I haven’t seen Elvis this week.

thanks.  I was wondering what I stepped in… — Rob (but have you gone by Graceland…)

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Actually that’s not true.  On Saturday at a Back Yard Burger I saw four young Elvises (Elvii) getting out of a powder blue 1962 Buick convertible. Memphis Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, I haven’t seen Elvis this week. thanks.  I was wondering what I stepped in… — Rob (but have you gone by Graceland…)

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Boulder, ponds near Munson’s ? You mean 75th and Valmont ? Not the Sawhill’s ? How in the world is there trout in any pond near there ? The water must be 85 degrees ? Good bass’n out there, and big carp. But you say there’s some nice trout, eh ? Could you please be more specific about where these ponds are ? TIA. Bone.

BTW, TBone, I forgot to mention the graylings… hehe

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Is that you, Frank?

No sir. Not Frank. Ben. -bh

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Boulder, ponds near Munson’s ? You mean 75th and Valmont ? Not the Sawhill’s ? How in the world is there trout in any pond near there ? The water must be 85 degrees ? Good bass’n out there, and big carp. But you say there’s some nice trout, eh ? Could you please be more specific about where these ponds are ? TIA. Bone.

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Is that you, Frank? No sir. Not Frank. Ben.

It tis nice to see others with a single minded devotion to the fish.  Hey, so what if you get a bit messy, you got a fish and these guys are just dreaming of getting some. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Boulder, ponds near Munson’s ? You mean 75th and Valmont ? Not the Sawhill’s ? How in the world is there trout in any pond near there ? The water must be 85 degrees ? Good bass’n out there, and big carp. But you say there’s some nice trout, eh ? Could you please be more specific about where these ponds are ? TIA. Bone.

You clearly know the place, what I’ve been tiold by the F&G guys that patrol the area is that the ponds are and have for some time been dumping grounds for stock. Big bass, yes. I’ve lifted an 18 inch large mouth out of the back pond on a #10 krystal bugger tied to 6X tippet and a 4wt rod. I’ve also taken more than a number of catfish ON THE SURFACE using smallish, bright white upwing something or others (I forget exactly) from the first pond. Sunfish, bluegills, small mouths, big mouths. The place is like a proving ground for fly tackle. Specifically on the trout issue: Walk back from the parking lot, past the pond with the dock. The next pond on the north side of that path is huge and damned near dry. Stand there on the south side near the aspen stand, open your eyes and prick your ears. Those big dark shadowy bug sucking monsters are trout. If we don’t get some rain soon, they will soon be trout jerky. Let me know and I’ll meet you there. -bh Boulder, CO

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I spent the day fishing one of the back ponds out near Munson’s east of Boulder, CO. The current drought and a bit of local water politics has reduced many of these usually healthy potholes to small bowls of muddy, stringy soup. The hole I chose to visit today caught my eye via my ear when I heard loud slurping sounds coming from the ooze. I sat down on a clump of rye grass and watched some of the biggest lunker trout I’ve ever seen sucking bugs off of the surface, their backs complelety exposed to the air as they lay cradled in the thick weeds. I sat and I watched and I evaluated. Two big problems — 1.) the sea weed was very thick and left only small (maybe 4-5 ft. across) targets of clear (kind of) water in which to land a fly and 2.) the CO Fish and Game had encouraged aspens all along this particular bank leaving only a 10 by 10 ft "window" for me to shoot a line through. Normally I’d feel ok about a tight cast like that, but I was also standing 10-12 feet above the surface of the water which put my backcast up high and my front cast down sharply. So I sat some more and evaluated and while I did I tied on a #8 Dave’s hopper variant that I picked up in a general store in Ten Sleep, WY this summer. This version has gads of jangly rubber legs and makes all kind of ruckus on the surface when you twitch ‘em. I had no clue what they were sipping so I figured something juicy and big might bust them away from whatever hatch they were enjoying at the moment. So I sat some more and evaluated and while I did I began to realise that there was not a single sunfish or gilly or anything small at or near the water’s edge. it occurred to me that this pond had been shrinking for months and that anything small had been consumed by the elders in the water. This explained their size. Off in the distance, maybe 100 yds or so from my clump of grass were two blue herons standing in less than a foot of water. They were no doubt waiting patiently for one of these giants to glide by. I tried to imagine what that fight would look like. The scene in front of me was like an entire wildlife documentory but without the narrative. Truly unreal. So I decided it was time. I screeched off 20 or 30 feet of line from my little Princess and flicked the tippet end out toward the water. Two or three false casts swished through the air and — and this is god’s truth — I popped that little hopper right smack in the center of a clear spot in the water. I watched. I waited. I stripped in the slack and I waited some more. The water was so dark and so thick with growth that it was hard to see anything beneath the surface. I waited a minute or so and finally I gave her a twitch. My little bug pushed a bow-wave straight toward me and floated high on the water. Another ten seconds and I gave it another twitch. This time something thick and black and large rolled over and devoured my fly. I popped my wrist back and hooked up nicely. That fish — my fish — ran a slalom course through the weeds and tangled my leader 5 ways from Sunday. I stood up, fell and slid like a knothead down the bank and landed on my knees in the muck. But I still had a fish on! I stripped the slack that had formed from my fall and felt the leader knot hit the tip of my rod. I knew I was less than 9 feet from this fish and I wasn’t going to let a little slime stop me from landing him. What I didn’t plan on was the "lack of firmness" on the bottom of the pond. I stepped into the water — just a foot or so — and immediately felt the coolness of the mud slide deliciously up to my knees. I tried to step out and I felt one of my Teva’s come off my foot. Damn! I lost balance and fell back, gently and with great style, right on my ass. Here I am, all of my bits and pieces in the water and my legs being swallowed by quick sand. I worked to get my feet out of the suck, all the while trying to hang on to my rod. Eventually I got to my feet and started scanning the weeds for my fishy friend. I bent my rod gently and in doing so pulled my leader into a semi-straight line. I coould feel the fish still and I could see the hissy fit he was throwing in the growth. Laying down my rod I wrapped the leader around my hand and gently pulled him in. The trout was wrapped in so much plant material that he looked twice his actual size. I kept him in the water and slipped a wet hand under his belly. The weeds kept him still as I unhooked him and pointed him, nose first toward the center of the pond. I gathered my dignity and shlepped back to my car, my legs and shorts frosted in foul smelling green/brown goop. Well, there are no facilities at this place and I had nothing more than what I was wearing with me so I slipped out of my shorts and tshirt, put my shirt over the driver’s seat of my car and drove home wearing nothing but my Jockeys and a big smile. Upon my arrival, my wife didn’t inquire as to my condition or how it came to be. She gave me a totally unaffected look and asked me if I had had a good time. I told her that I had.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I spent the day fishing one of the back ponds out near Munson’s east of Boulder, CO. The current drought and a bit of local water politics has reduced many of these usually healthy potholes to small bowls of muddy, stringy soup. The hole I chose to visit today caught my eye via my ear when I heard loud slurping sounds coming from the ooze. I sat down on a clump of rye grass and watched some of the biggest lunker trout I’ve ever seen sucking bugs off of the surface, their backs complelety exposed to the air as they lay cradled in the thick weeds. I sat and I watched and I evaluated. Two big problems — 1.) the sea weed was very thick and left only small (maybe 4-5 ft. across) targets of clear (kind of) water in which to land a fly and 2.) the CO Fish and Game had encouraged aspens all along this particular bank leaving only a 10 by 10 ft "window" for me to shoot a line through. Normally I’d feel ok about a tight cast like that, but I was also standing 10-12 feet above the surface of the water which put my backcast up high and my front cast down sharply. So I sat some more and evaluated and while I did I tied on a #8 Dave’s hopper variant that I picked up in a general store in Ten Sleep, WY this summer. This version has gads of jangly rubber legs and makes all kind of ruckus on the surface when you twitch ‘em. I had no clue what they were sipping so I figured something juicy and big might bust them away from whatever hatch they were enjoying at the moment. So I sat some more and evaluated and while I did I began to realise that there was not a single sunfish or gilly or anything small at or near the water’s edge. it occurred to me that this pond had been shrinking for months and that anything small had been consumed by the elders in the water. This explained their size. Off in the distance, maybe 100 yds or so from my clump of grass were two blue herons standing in less than a foot of water. They were no doubt waiting patiently for one of these giants to glide by. I tried to imagine what that fight would look like. The scene in front of me was like an entire wildlife documentory but without the narrative. Truly unreal. So I decided it was time. I screeched off 20 or 30 feet of line from my little Princess and flicked the tippet end out toward the water. Two or three false casts swished through the air and — and this is god’s truth — I popped that little hopper right smack in the center of a clear spot in the water. I watched. I waited. I stripped in the slack and I waited some more. The water was so dark and so thick with growth that it was hard to see anything beneath the surface. I waited a minute or so and finally I gave her a twitch. My little bug pushed a bow-wave straight toward me and floated high on the water. Another ten seconds and I gave it another twitch. This time something thick and black and large rolled over and devoured my fly. I popped my wrist back and hooked up nicely. That fish — my fish — ran a slalom course through the weeds and tangled my leader 5 ways from Sunday. I stood up, fell and slid like a knothead down the bank and landed on my knees in the muck. But I still had a fish on! I stripped the slack that had formed from my fall and felt the leader knot hit the tip of my rod. I knew I was less than 9 feet from this fish and I wasn’t going to let a little slime stop me from landing him. What I didn’t plan on was the "lack of firmness" on the bottom of the pond. I stepped into the water — just a foot or so — and immediately felt the coolness of the mud slide deliciously up to my knees. I tried to step out and I felt one of my Teva’s come off my foot. Damn! I lost balance and fell back, gently and with great style, right on my ass. Here I am, all of my bits and pieces in the water and my legs being swallowed by quick sand. I worked to get my feet out of the suck, all the while trying to hang on to my rod. Eventually I got to my feet and started scanning the weeds for my fishy friend. I bent my rod gently and in doing so pulled my leader into a semi-straight line. I coould feel the fish still and I could see the hissy fit he was throwing in the growth. Laying down my rod I wrapped the leader around my hand and gently pulled him in. The trout was wrapped in so much plant material that he looked twice his actual size. I kept him in the water and slipped a wet hand under his belly. The weeds kept him still as I unhooked him and pointed him, nose first toward the center of the pond. I gathered my dignity and shlepped back to my car, my legs and shorts frosted in foul smelling green/brown goop. Well, there are no facilities at this place and I had nothing more than what I was wearing with me so I slipped out of my shorts and tshirt, put my shirt over the driver’s seat of my car and drove home wearing nothing but my Jockeys and a big smile. Upon my arrival, my wife didn’t inquire as to my condition or how it came to be. She gave me a totally unaffected look and asked me if I had had a good time. I told her that I had.

Is that you, Frank?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why don’t you keep your opinions to yourself.  And stay off off this newsgroup. Please.  If I have to say it again, I won’t be this nice, jerk. He is a mass murderer.  Murder is murder. Was Tim McVeigh a mass murderer, a pawn of the FBI, a White worker fed up with Affirmative Action or did he just right a grievous wrong done by an out of control world government? A different perspective from what Good Morning America would like you to think about. http://www.geocities.com/mcveigh_martyr/Untitled-1.htm He’s a piece of trash. The death penality is too easy for him. — Harry Krause This is still a dangerous world. It’s a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mential losses. -GW Bush

A McVeigh fan, eh? — Harry Krause And if he continues that, I’m going to tell the nation what I think about him as a human being and a person. -GW Bush

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Take this to another group.  Mcviegh doesn’t flyfish. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He is a mass murderer.  Murder is murder. Was Tim McVeigh a mass murderer, a pawn of the FBI, a White worker fed up with Affirmative Action or did he just right a grievous wrong done by an out of control world government? A different perspective from what Good Morning America would like you to think about. http://www.geocities.com/mcveigh_martyr/Untitled-1.htm

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So we got what…20 or so replies on this thread all cross posted… Fists now ready to fly… Figure out what a *TROLL* is yet Knuckleheads??? "Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above.  It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software.  Please report problems or inappropriate use to the

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Why don’t you keep your opinions to yourself.  And stay off off this newsgroup. Please.  If I have to say it again, I won’t be this nice, jerk. He’s a piece of trash. The death penality is too easy for him. A McVeigh fan, eh?

Nah. He’s got this weird, kinky thing going with GI Joe…

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On May 16th he won’t be doing much except gasping and gurgling……So no he doesn’t fly fish, nor does he collect gijoes, or travel, or figure blowflies……. That will teach him to murder 19 little kids and 148 adults!

Take this to another group.  Mcviegh doesn’t flyfish.

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He was a fruitcake that knew exactly what he was doing, so now lets fry him or transform him in to road kill. Wade Wade, I do like the way you put things, even if there is a power shortage! RichT

Sorry I forgot about the energy shortage, we could reduce the amount of power by say 40% it would take just a little longer but that just collateral damage. Wade

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May the sniveling little coward roast in hell. I’d go to hell myself for a chance to shove a pineapple up his ass sideways.

hmmm…now there’s an image that conjures interest…perhaps one of the western or southern states could add that to its capital punishment options.  ok now mr mcveigh…it’s either the gas chamber, hanging, firing squad, lethal injection, or rw will shove a pineapple up your ass sideways…<g jeff

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Lets have Tim BBQ’d Wade

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if you want to play, you gotta pay! not to mention the intelligence of someone fleeing the scene in a car with out a plate and an unregistered gun under the seat. — jimi g. " It wasn’t a miracle, It was INFANTRY!"  – Omaha beach survivor and MOH recipient, 1998 — Eco. 51st inf. reg. 23inf. div. 9th SS Feldgendarmerie when you want to trade 1/6th or 1/1 scale, first visit the 1/6th scale INF.  at : http://people.mw.mediaone.net/wgreyson/home.html

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He is a mass murderer.  Murder is murder.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Was Tim McVeigh a mass murderer, a pawn of the FBI, a White worker fed up with Affirmative Action or did he just right a grievous wrong done by an out of control world government? A different perspective from what Good Morning America would like you to think about. http://www.geocities.com/mcveigh_martyr/Untitled-1.htm

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He is a mass murderer.  Murder is murder. Was Tim McVeigh a mass murderer, a pawn of the FBI, a White worker fed up with Affirmative Action or did he just right a grievous wrong done by an out of control world government? A different perspective from what Good Morning America would like you to think about. http://www.geocities.com/mcveigh_martyr/Untitled-1.htm

He’s a piece of trash. The death penality is too easy for him. — Harry Krause This is still a dangerous world. It’s a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mential losses. -GW Bush

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Why don’t you keep your opinions to yourself.  And stay off off this newsgroup. Please.  If I have to say it again, I won’t be this nice, jerk. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He is a mass murderer.  Murder is murder. Was Tim McVeigh a mass murderer, a pawn of the FBI, a White worker fed up with Affirmative Action or did he just right a grievous wrong done by an out of control world government? A different perspective from what Good Morning America would like you to think about. http://www.geocities.com/mcveigh_martyr/Untitled-1.htm He’s a piece of trash. The death penality is too easy for him. — Harry Krause This is still a dangerous world. It’s a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mential losses. -GW Bush

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Was Tim McVeigh a mass murderer, a pawn of the FBI, a White worker fed up with Affirmative Action or did he just right a grievous wrong done by an out of control world government? A different perspective from what Good Morning America would like you to think about. http://www.geocities.com/mcveigh_martyr/Untitled-1.htm

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May the sniveling little coward roast in hell. I’d go to hell myself for a chance to shove a pineapple up his ass sideways.

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Was Tim McVeigh a mass murderer, a pawn of the FBI, a White worker fed up with Affirmative Action or did he just right a grievous wrong done by an out of control world government? A different perspective from what Good Morning America would like you to think about.

He was a fruitcake that knew exactly what he was doing, so now lets fry him or transform him in to road kill. Wade

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He was a fruitcake that knew exactly what he was doing, so now lets fry him or transform him in to road kill. Wade

Wade, I do like the way you put things, even if there is a power shortage! RichT

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There are ways to protest the wrongdoings of government that don’t involve killing large numbers of innocent people. McViegh is no martyr, just a cowardly mass murderer. Let him die. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Can you say TROLL?  I KNEW you could. Pat Lubbock, Texas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Was Tim McVeigh a mass murderer, a pawn of the FBI, a White worker fed up with Affirmative Action or did he just right a grievous wrong done by an out of control world government? A different perspective from what Good Morning America would like you to think about. http://www.geocities.com/mcveigh_martyr/Untitled-1.htm

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May we all Please just ZOTZ this Usenet Troll; you can talk about this till your hearts are content in the appropriate forums.  Placing this cross-posted off topic BS here is just someone’s self serving attempt to stir shit… Cross-Posted Off Topic Usenet Abuse Path: sn-us!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com! enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.kpnqwest.at!anon.lcs.mit. edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news-x5!mail2news-x4!mail2news-x3!mail2news-x2!ma il2news Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above.  It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software.  Please report problems or inappropriate use to the Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.toys.gi-joe,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly,rec.outdoo rs.rv-travel,rec.sport.skating.ice.figure Lines: 8 Xref: sn-us alt.comp.periphs.cdr:298178 alt.toys.gi-joe:305294 rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:239740 rec.outdoors.rv-travel:270678 rec.sport.skating.ice.figure:330013

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Well, for all those who have followed my insipid malarkey about buying a new boat, well, I did.  I bought a Jive 8-10! I haven’t seen it (it’s coming from Portland today), I haven’t paddled it– but living in N. Idaho, I wouldn’t be able to do that kind of thing anyway.  I told Young Scott that he was lucky being able to put all those different cool boats in one spot and paddle away– and, ya know, I do miss that warm SE whitewater (I lived in Durham before I moved out here).  Paddling w/out dry gear is the exception– not the rule.

You did manage to pick one of the very few boats I have not paddled.   I would think that you made an excellent choice though.   A souped up bigger Jive should be a very good river running play boat.  They had an excellent hull already and I am assuming they have improved it. Am I correct in what I am thinking this boat is? Scott Bristow

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Well, for all those who have followed my insipid malarkey about buying a new boat, well, I did.  I bought a Jive 8-10!

Great! But as with every situation, there are disadvantages (no demo days unless you want to go to Portland!) — but there are also advantages.

Ummm, you need to check out Mountain Gear more often.  Two days from now, saturday the 16th, Mad River is having a demo days on the Spokane river in conjunction with Mountain Gear.  M.G. also bring a lot of kayaks. Additionally, M.G. makes a weekly trip to the river to demo their boats…it must be tough being an employee there.  Get their schedule. Call them if you want a particular boat brought for you to try.  We are less than an hour from you; how have you missed this?

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Well, I got home from Stanley to see my new Jive 8-10 sitting in my shop. Haven’t paddled it, but it looks like a great boat for a big person.  Similar to the Hammer (and about as roomy), similar kind of forward rocker, but more balanced bow and stern volume.  Doesn’t look like a squirter, but I’ll take it out and get back to folks. Thanks for all the input– though I ended up doing what I did, reading about all the different boats helped.  Looks like the 8-10 will be good for other big folks, and we can start having the fun without the misery that smaller folks have been having in some of the cooler boats. DISCLAIMER:  I have not! paddled either the Jive 8-10 or the Hammer, just sat in them.  I’ll file an update after I get out this week. Chuck You did manage to pick one of the very few boats I have not paddled.   I would think that you made an excellent choice though.   A souped up bigger Jive should be a very good river running play boat.  They had an excellent hull already and I am assuming they have improved it. Am I correct in what I am thinking this boat is? Scott Bristow

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<<DISCLAIMER:  I have not! paddled either the Jive 8-10 or the Hammer, just sat in them.  I’ll file an update after I get out this week.  Chuck New boats, before you paddle them, are just like the next generation of computer operating systems:  they will solve ALL the problems with what you are using now.  That is, until you actually start using them. -Ray

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    After fifteen years of  K-1 white-water paddling, I’ve gone over…..Gone over to the Dark Side.  To please the Lady, the Light and Love of my life (but…hey that’s another thread) I took an Orvis fly-fishing course this weekend. There I was… standing STILL in a river that I have paddled many times. I couldn’t help but think about my boating-self sliding by my new found fishing-self and how both of us felt. I (boating) have always tried to be silent and circumspect when passing anglers. Courtesy and etiquette (yet another thread?) seem to demand nothing less. Tis a lesson to be learned tho…. to walk a mile in another man’s uh….hip boots.  Fishing for trout is as incredible complex as learning linked cartwheels and mystery moves. And, I found out this weekend, as addictive. It came as a small revelation when our instructor informed us that trout can be spooked by the shadow of a fly-line passing overhead. Made me wonder what the shadow of a nine foot boat must do. I asked our instructor what he thought of  kayakers. I was expecting a diatribe but he turned to me and said, "Sure looks like fun…. and most of um try to be real quiet, too."  Maybe there is hope for us yet!

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Well, for all those who have followed my insipid malarkey about buying a new boat, well, I did.  I bought a Jive 8-10! I haven’t seen it (it’s coming from Portland today), I haven’t paddled it– but living in N. Idaho, I wouldn’t be able to do that kind of thing anyway.  I told Young Scott that he was lucky being able to put all those different cool boats in one spot and paddle away– and, ya know, I do miss that warm SE whitewater (I lived in Durham before I moved out here).  Paddling w/out dry gear is the exception– not the rule. But as with every situation, there are disadvantages (no demo days unless you want to go to Portland!) — but there are also advantages. We floated Lolo Ck., a classic Class IV-V run, 18 miles, one hour from my house, last weekend.  There was only one other party on the river– another group of friends (gloat). Gotta do the enviro thing this weekend (keep those rivers running free with actual trees next to them), but hopefully, I’ll be up on that big ole Lochsa wave, 360-ing away next week!  Stay tuned. Chuck — Charles Pezeshki, Director Clearwater Biodiversity Project To check out my new book, "Wild to the Last: Environmental Conflict in the Clearwater Country", go to http://publications.urel.wsu.edu:80/Press/WildtoLast.html

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I had my old medalist stolen out of my car after .  Is there anywhere in CT (or in NYC) that sells fly-fishing gear of that sort? thanks, Ben

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I had my old medalist stolen out of my car after .  Is there anywhere in CT (or in NYC) that sells fly-fishing gear of that sort? thanks, Ben

Hi Ben I suggest you contact Hook and Hackle at 800-552-8342. On page 5 of their catalog they list the standard Pflueger and also two rim control models. They are in Plattsburg, NY. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com Tiemco quality hooks, under $6.00 pkg/50

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I would like to know if anyone out there has a good recipie for Bass leaders (as well as other leaders)  I have tied my own for a long time but never really put much thought into it.  I would appreciate any advice. Thanks ahead for the info. Eddie

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Dear Ed: We would need to know a few more things.  What size flies or poppers are you talking about such as hook size?  Are talking about fly fishing for bass?  What weight fly line are you using? Mr. Gink – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to know if anyone out there has a good recipie for Bass leaders (as well as other leaders)  I have tied my own for a long time but never really put much thought into it.  I would appreciate any advice. Thanks ahead for the info. Eddie

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Hello All:      An acquaintance said there was a fire reported in one of the buildings on the University of Maryland campus this past week.  Does anyone know more details, and if the flyfishing show at Record Armory will be affected? Just wanted to check before I drive up for the weekend. Dan Johnson

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Hello All:     An acquaintance said there was a fire reported in one of the buildings on the University of Maryland campus this past week.  Does anyone know more details, and if the flyfishing show at Record Armory will be affected? Just wanted to check before I drive up for the weekend. Dan Johnson

Hi, Dan: I’m participating as a fly-tier at the show and I haven’t heard that plans have been changed.  Of course, the forecast here in northcentral Pa. is for snow with some accumulation on Friday.  I don’t expect that to deter to many of us ardent fly-fishers. Dave Rothrock

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I’ll be at the show; I’ve been in contact with my boss (whose booth I’ll be in) and neither snow nor fire nor any other factor will prevent the show.  It’ll go on mainly because it’s a commercial venture. The weather here is snowy and soggy, with a threat of freeze tonight (Thursday) but it should be clear enough on Saturday and Sunday, though I heard that the ‘Doah valley was going to be harder hit with ice than we are here in Northern VA.  Maybe sunday. Stop by and say hi. Dave Motes at Mark Kovach Fishing Services booth, Sunday.

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I live in Annapolis, and have not heard of any interuption to the show. Come on up! Tom Dougherty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All:      An acquaintance said there was a fire reported in one of the buildings on the University of Maryland campus this past week.  Does anyone know more details, and if the flyfishing show at Record Armory will be affected? Just wanted to check before I drive up for the weekend. Dan Johnson

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I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S.            

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I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S.

Bill, A good time to come! If you come before the season closes (Sept. 30th) You have your choice of thousands of "Spots". I’d recommend the Whitewater River Watershed south of Minneapolis, between Rochester and Winona. Stop at the State Park there and ask the naturalists for advise, or at the fly shops in Rochester ("Burger Brothers" for expl) Wisconsin has an overwhelming number of rivers to choose from also. When you buy the WI liscense, you get fabulous pamphlets for directions. I wish MN was as good. They have materials, but they don’t hand them out with the ticket. I live in Duluth, and fall is great for Brookies all over the place. I can catch ‘em right in town, But I like the drive to "Get away" and find some solitude. My favorite is the Brule River in WI. (Boise Brule, officially). It is an honest, naturally reproductive, trout stream. Late Sept. is closing there too. Finally, if your visit is after Sept. 30th, come to Duluth. Steelhead will be running up from Lake Superior. Fall Salmon too. Give me an E-mail if you feel like driving north, I can point out some spots on the map for you. Have fun! Jim Wrobleski

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S. Bill, A good time to come! If you come before the season closes (Sept. 30th) You have your choice of thousands of "Spots". I’d recommend the Whitewater River Watershed south of Minneapolis, between Rochester and Winona. Stop at the State Park there and ask the naturalists for advise, or at the fly shops in Rochester ("Burger Brothers" for expl) Wisconsin has an overwhelming number of rivers to choose from also. When you buy the WI liscense, you get fabulous pamphlets for directions. I wish MN was as good. They have materials, but they don’t hand them out with the ticket. I live in Duluth, and fall is great for Brookies all over the place. I can catch ‘em right in town, But I like the drive to "Get away" and find some solitude. My favorite is the Brule River in WI. (Boise Brule, officially). It is an honest, naturally reproductive, trout stream. Late Sept. is closing there too. Finally, if your visit is after Sept. 30th, come to Duluth. Steelhead will be running up from Lake Superior. Fall Salmon too. Give me an E-mail if you feel like driving north, I can point out some spots on the map for you. Have fun! Jim Wrobleski

Good info Jim, I would add the Namakogen (sp?) in Northwest WI. Vince

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I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S.  

        I would recommend that you contact Dennis Graupe at the Spring Creek Angler in Coon Valley WI. (608-452-3430). Tell him that John Myers sent you. Note that the WI season closes 9/30/96.                                 j.m.          

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Hello all:       I have been fly-fishing only a little while, and discovered the joy of small-mouth fishing the James River in Virginia.  Since its summer and the trout are sullen, it has been a great place to keep practicing my casting.  I have already gleaned a lot of information about using crayfish and dace style patterns, wooly buggers, etc., and I have been fishing the seams, bank overhangs, riffles, and the like.  Generally though, I have approached small-mouthing like trout.  Does anyone have suggestions specific to small-mouth bass that differ or are unique to this species, that improve your luck.  Also, any idiosyncracies of the James River? Best spots, places to avoid like the plague, etc.  I would appreciate any and all information, posted or e-mailed.   Dan Johnson

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      I have been fly-fishing only a little while, and discovered the joy of small-mouth fishing the James River in Virginia.   Dan Johnson

Dan, I enjoyed fishing near Pony Pastures in Richmond.  It does seem to get crowded at times, but not with ffishers.  There’s a good Orvis dealer in Richmond that has a lot of smallmouth knowledge.  Also check with Harry Murray of Murray’s Fly Shop.  He’s a smallmouth guru.  Let me know how you do…                                           Randy

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Dan, We’ve been fishing the Wingina to Scottsville stretch for about 20 years now.  There’s some beautiful water along the way and only two areas that can be a little hairy in the boats.  It’s best as a three day float.   Just don’t go weekends because of all of the tubers on the river. Doug

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I need to wash my Simms waders.  There are no fly shops where I live in Texas.  What is a good safe detergent to use on waders?                                 Chuck

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I need to wash my Simms waders.  There are no fly shops where I live in Texas.  What is a good safe detergent to use on waders?                            Chuck

Hi Chuck I always use the same liquid soap I have for washing dishes, not the powder stuff for the dish washing maching.  Be sure to get the inside rinsed thoroughly or you can get a real bad rash when you wear them if the soap residue is not removed. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I t is good to see that at least one craft/profession has proven resitant to the mechanization of our society. A fly still bears the indelible signature of the tier. It is too bad that so many of our flies are signed by tiers from third world nations making a pitiful wage who have no hope whatever of legally using the flies they tie. A.J.Thramer Bamboo rod craftsman

I would guess that 90% of the flies purchased in the USA are tied overseas.  If I had to depend on US tiers to supply my store I would have closed up about 10 years ago.  I hope no one will take offense to that statement. Our preseason order with Umpqua Feather Merchants is for 20 thousand dozen flies.  We then fill in the rest of the year depending on how it goes. We also buy some specialty flies from  a half-dozen other sources. They are US tiers. I would love to have all my flies tied by Al Troth, Bob Quigley and Dave Whitlock, but that is impossible. In California, good imported trout flies tied on high quality Japanese hooks, sell retail for $1.75 each.  I love to have people take our fly tieing classes because afterwards they will never complane about the price of flies. I thought about deleting this rather than posting it, but after reading it about 6 times I decided that it was very factual. I started selling flies in a very good sporting goods store thirty years ago. We had Dan Bailey’s US tied flies and Cortland imported flies from Kenya. A lot of people would not be going fly fishing if we didn’t have imported flies. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Hi Jim, Didn’t know you’d become a tackle dealer too. I need a jungle cock cape. Stripers are running in the Georges, Later, Bob Olmsted

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The situation has not improved since you studied it. I am a retired school teacher augmenting my pension by tying flies professionally. I tied for about 10 years before retiring so I could afford to teach. The $30,000 would be reachable. A.K. Best claimed to tie 3,000 dozen/year and I think that is a reasonable number. I like to fish too much to reach that number. The flies tied overseas vary in quality but the good ones are definitely fishable. But when one supplier plans on selling 750,000 dozen this year, it shows a real demand for tyers. I think the best route for local tyers is to custom tie for shops or individual fishermen/fisherwomen/fisherkids. Most of my tying is for one shop and is for patterns not covered by the big boys. I think the Vic’s Fly-By-Night Too much time spent tying Not enough fishing

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The situation has not improved since you studied it. I am a retired school teacher augmenting my pension by tying flies professionally. I tied for about 10 years before retiring so I could afford to teach. The $30,000 would be reachable. A.K. Best claimed to tie 3,000 dozen/year and I think that is a reasonable number. I like to fish too much to reach that number. The flies tied overseas vary in quality but the good ones are definitely fishable. But when one supplier plans on selling 750,000 dozen this year, it shows a real demand for tyers. I think the best route for local tyers is to custom tie for shops or individual fishermen/fisherwomen/fisherkids. Most of my tying is for one shop and is for patterns not covered by the big boys. I think the Vic’s Fly-By-Night Too much time spent tying Not enough fishing

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What I would *really* like to see is a machine-tied fly in several sizes using natural materials. I promise to be awestruck if it has upright wings and a split tail. Now that would be something to hoot about! — Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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It’s really amazing the number of customers that think flies are tied by a machine.  Of course (most of) these are the spouses of fly fishermen coming in to buy a gift.  I had always thought like you – I would like to see THAT machine! Sandy Lockleer Creekside Fly Shop, Salem, Oregon http://www.halcyon.com/flyshop/

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Hi Ken. I saw an ad for hand tied flies and wondered if there was any other way? Silly header really! A machine dextrous enough to tie flies really would be something. Mind you judging by some of the flies that are tied, the inventor of such a machine would make a packet.                                              Tight lines. Dave T. What I would *really* like to see is a machine-tied fly in several sizes using natural materials. I promise to be awestruck if it has upright wings and a split tail. Now that would be something to hoot about!

– dave tait

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I had always thought like you – I would like to see THAT machine!

     Especially the one that does the wings on Jock Scotts.

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I t is good to see that at least one craft/profession has proven resitant to the mechanization of our society. A fly still bears the indelible signature of the tier. It is too bad that so many of our flies are signed by tiers from third world nations making a pitiful wage who have no hope whatever of legally using the flies they tie. A.J.Thramer Bamboo rod craftsman

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I totally agree with this statement. As a former pro tyer I was and still am recieving offers from Kenyans who would like to supply me with trout flies at a fraction of the cost of UK flies. I refused such offers however some of my conterpartarts took up the cheap fly challenge and import tens of thousands of flies per year. These so called fly tyers then sell flies tied by others as their own produce. I look forward to reading of the first test case in the UK of a fly tyer being prosecuted under the trades description act.                                  Dave Tait. You’ve matched the hatch but can you catch the catch? writes I t is good to see that at least one craft/profession has proven resitant to the mechanization of our society. A fly still bears the indelible signature of the tier. It is too bad that so many of our flies are signed by tiers from third world nations making a pitiful wage who have no hope whatever of legally using the flies they tie. A.J.Thramer Bamboo rod craftsman

– dave tait

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A.J writes: It is good to see that at least one

craft/profession has proven resitant to the mechanization of our society. A fly still bears the indelible signature of the tier. It is too bad that so many of our flies are signed by tiers from third world nations making a pitiful wage who have no hope whatever of legally using the flies they tie. I agree mostly with your sentiments. "Hand-tied" is no assurance of quality, per se, however and there are some truly fine flies flies coming in from overseas. If there were not such a large market for them, they wouldn’t be in the shops. Being an advocate of free market economics, I cannot criticize the fact of imports meeting market demands but it would be interesting to learn whether overseas fly manufacturers may be creating opportunities for some individuals that may not otherwise have existed before. Are their wages "pitiful" compared to their local economies? Can domestic tyers supply demand? Quien sabe? — Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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I cannot verify that the wages paid are different than the prevailing in their area. I suspect that it is an opportunity that the tiers would not have if the fly factories were not there. I can shed some light on the plight of the tier/shop owner.  Many of the tiers have always tended to be unreliable, this lead to unreliable supply. This is obviously a major problem for a commodity as seasonal as flies. A tyer who wants to be a reliable supplier to a shop has a tough road ahead until he can prove himself IF he is given a chance. The point of it being that the overseas suppliers have not competed on a cost basis but on a supply basis. A.J.Thramer

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A.J writes: It is good to see that at least one craft/profession has proven resitant to the mechanization of our society. A fly still bears the indelible signature of the tier. It is too bad that so many of our flies are signed by tiers from third world nations making a pitiful wage who have no hope whatever of legally using the flies they tie.

In fact, tiers in Third World countries often make relatively decent wages, compared to those they