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Warren Findley’s Pheasant Tail and …. are both unusual, beautifully tied, and destined to catch fish.

How so?

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Flys arrived yesterday!  BEAUTIFUL!! Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!

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I got mine yesterday.  I am really impressed with the overall quality of the tying.  A nice assortment of styles represented. Pete Collin

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am i the only one who hasn’t received the flies?  based on everyone’s reaction, i’m assuming frank didn’t include the mutants in your swap collection <g. jeff (sleepless in carolina) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got mine yesterday.

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Mine arrived today, thanks to every tyer, great job you did! And special thanks to Frank "the magic fast" Church; seems that my flies have been early in Germany than in Carolina. I hope I will make it next year too. Best regards Wim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Flys arrived yesterday!  BEAUTIFUL!! Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!

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Mine arrived yesterday, forgot to post, but a hearty "Thank-you" to Frank for the great job. What a fabulous batch of well tied flies from size 22-2/0, or something like that! Thanks to all who participated!                                 Tom L

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They arrived!  Very nice work.  I am inspired. Thank you. Glenn GKT

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Thank you to Frank most of all. Glenn GKT

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Mine arrived yesterday, forgot to post, but a hearty "Thank-you" to Frank for the great job. What a fabulous batch of well tied flies from size 22-2/0, or something like that! Thanks to all who participated!                                Tom L

Flies arrived today.  Thank you Frank for organizing.  This is a fun assortment of flies, nicely done.   Over and out. Eugene K.

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Much to my acute embarrassment I have discovered the reason why the flies never arrived… they were never sent. Tans had a number of packages that day and thought she had them all sent (We mail-order out several copies of my CD a week) but she found the fly package today under the seat of her car. I can’t apologize enough for the trouble this may have caused you Frank. Anyways, I now have 45 terrorestrial dry-flies sitting here and would like to donate them as a raffle prize for the Penn Clave.. who do I send them to??? can e-mail me a snail mail addy please. remove the remove for the real address. Sincerely (A Very Embarrassed) Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m still waitin’! Op  –I may just have to go postal over this– Oh shit!  Sorry Op, I just found your package of flies…..Guts the Cat hid it under my desk and chewed all the little bits of fur and feather leaving nothing but bare hooks! Clark Reid’s flies to get here from New Zealand! Recently deposed swapmeister…

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Me too. But then I’m in Georgia right now, not Montana and won’t be home for about another week. Bummer. Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitter, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, the USPS finally made it to the far reaches of the East Coast.  I thought the 40 flies from the swap would never arrive. I’m still waitin’! Op  –I may just have to go postal over this–

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um, nevermind…arrived in today’s mail.  nice work y’all.  thanks for letting me tag along this year, and i’ll try to improve a bit for the next go-round.   jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – am i the only one who hasn’t received the flies?  based on everyone’s reaction, i’m assuming frank didn’t include the mutants in your swap collection <g. jeff (sleepless in carolina) I got mine yesterday.

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Jeff Miller writes: um, nevermind…arrived in today’s mail.  nice work y’all.  thanks for letting me tag along this year, and i’ll try to improve a bit for the next go-round.  

Your Hare’s Ear was fine, Jeff.  It’ll catch fish, and that is what it’s all about… Dave

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Jeff Miller writes: um, nevermind…arrived in today’s mail.  nice work y’all.  thanks for letting me tag along this year, and i’ll try to improve a bit for the next go-round. Your Hare’s Ear was fine, Jeff.  It’ll catch fish, and that is what it’s all about… Dave

Ditto.  The one I got and the one that Paul photographed look very good for a beginner.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Stan Gula writes: Jeff Miller writes: um, nevermind…arrived in today’s mail.  nice work y’all.  thanks for letting me tag along this year, and i’ll try to improve a bit for the next go-round. Your Hare’s Ear was fine, Jeff.  It’ll catch fish, and that is what it’s all about… Dave Ditto.  The one I got and the one that Paul photographed look very good for a beginner.

Yeah, but don’t forget, his lovely wife Rachel tied some of them.  I betcha mine, your’s and Paul’s were tied by her.  I hear tell that the ones he tied had blood on them!   <g Dave

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Well, the USPS finally made it to the far reaches of the East Coast.  I thought the 40 flies from the swap would never arrive.

I’m still waitin’! Op  –I may just have to go postal over this–

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I’m still waitin’! Op  –I may just have to go postal over this–

Oh shit!  Sorry Op, I just found your package of flies…..Guts the Cat hid it under my desk and chewed all the little bits of fur and feather leaving nothing but bare hooks! Reid’s flies to get here from New Zealand! Recently deposed swapmeister…

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<< I’m still waitin’! Op  –I may just have to go postal over this–   I’m whimpering quietly.  The mailbox was empty of fly swop boxes again today. I am clearly a sinner in the hand of an angry postal god. Glenn Tippy GKT

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regarding Re: Frank’s Fly Swap Flies Arrived!: E. Tyler’s Midge Emerger Tim Lysyk’s Mountain Midge Both will be copied by me after I lose them.

You can find the tying recipe and a little story about the Mountain Midge on a web page I do. The Url is http://www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html/fom9697.htm#fom11 I am very proud of this fly. It is simple, and one that I developed on my own. It was included in a book on fly patterns a few years ago, and is a pretty popular fly in our area thanks to the local flyshop owner who had me tie some 80 dozen or so for him one year. It works well during the winter fished about 18" below a yarn indicator, and also as the dropper in a hopper-dropper combination during the summer. Tim Lysyk timlysyk at shaw dot ca

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Recieved my shipment sometime last week.  They stocked the local delayed harvest waters in South Easternn PA.  Been on travel and was looking forward to coming home and fishing.  However with the rains (not to mention the cold temps) I figure I’d freeze and there were no flys in the swap that were detectable to fish feeding on the sonar mode due to zero water visibility. I liked the quality and variety of flies.  Got some good ideas for modifing designs I tie also.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, the USPS finally made it to the far reaches of the East Coast.  I thought the 40 flies from the swap would never arrive. I anxiously opened the package and dumped the contents onto the kitchet table. What a mess!  It seems that all 40 flies had begun to mutate into Hares Ears. There are some beautiful ties inspite of the partial mutation.  Once I seperated them, the mutation stopped and began to reverse itself with all except one.  It ended up looking like a pretty good Hares Ear and I can’t wait to catch a big salmon with it. <G Interesting ties: Bob Beardall’s Brassie Emerger:  That will be the first one fished and it will catch big brookies and land locks. Willi’s BWO emerger will be dabbed just upstream of some big brookies – and they will be fooled! E. Tyler’s Midge Emerger Tim Lysyk’s Mountain Midge Both will be copied by me after I lose them. Warren Findley’s Pheasant Tail and Glenn Tippy’s Alexandra Wet Fly are both unusual, beautifully tied, and destined to catch fish. All in all, this was a great swap.  All of the ties are wonderful.  Thanks to all, especially to Frank for putting it all together. Dave (getting ready to sit at the fly-tying bench and begin plagiarizing…..) d;0)

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Wonderful tying from you guys!  All the whining about how poorly your flies will look and fish was total bunk.  Each one is a work of art and I cannot wait to give them all a try!  Thanks to each one of the craftsmen that participated, you done _reel_ good! Chris Fanning — tied with Lee Newton for the largest fly in Swap!

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Wonderful tying from you guys!  All the whining about how poorly your flies will look and fish was total bunk.  Each one is a work of art and I cannot wait to give them all a try!  Thanks to each one of the craftsmen that participated, you done _reel_ good! Chris Fanning — tied with Lee Newton for the largest fly in Swap!

Mine also arrived today – a marvelous assortment of flies.  Looks like I’m going to have to get over to the ocean and try some saltwater FF so that I can try all of them. Thanks for all the work, Frank, and congratulations to all the participants. Bob Weinberger

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Well, the USPS finally made it to the far reaches of the East Coast.  I thought the 40 flies from the swap would never arrive. I anxiously opened the package and dumped the contents onto the kitchet table. What a mess!  It seems that all 40 flies had begun to mutate into Hares Ears. There are some beautiful ties inspite of the partial mutation.  Once I seperated them, the mutation stopped and began to reverse itself with all except one.  It ended up looking like a pretty good Hares Ear and I can’t wait to catch a big salmon with it. <G Interesting ties: Bob Beardall’s Brassie Emerger:  That will be the first one fished and it will catch big brookies and land locks. Willi’s BWO emerger will be dabbed just upstream of some big brookies – and they will be fooled! E. Tyler’s Midge Emerger Tim Lysyk’s Mountain Midge Both will be copied by me after I lose them. Warren Findley’s Pheasant Tail and Glenn Tippy’s Alexandra Wet Fly are both unusual, beautifully tied, and destined to catch fish. All in all, this was a great swap.  All of the ties are wonderful.  Thanks to all, especially to Frank for putting it all together. Dave (getting ready to sit at the fly-tying bench and begin plagiarizing…..) d;0)

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E. Tyler’s Midge Emerger Tim Lysyk’s Mountain Midge Both will be copied by me after I lose them.

Just a tip – copy them *before* you lose them <g. I finally got mine today as well.   I got home Friday night after a long day on airplanes & rental cars (Albany this time) to find lots of happy ROFFians posting their glee at receiving their swap booty.   Since my PO box is close to my office, not my home, I was forced to wait two whole days salivating, knowing the package was right there waiting for me.   I was already late this morning, so what’s another 10 minutes I fugure, and I stopped in the PO to claim my waiting prize. Most of the early recipients have used the superlatives; I’ll only add my concurrence.   It’s a fine lot of flies and a finer bunch of ROFFians I’m proud to be a part of.   Thanks to all (and of course, to YOFGS). Joe F. (3 months to DDFS2)

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Wonderful tying from you guys!  All the whining about how poorly your flies will look and fish was total bunk.  Each one is a work of art and I cannot wait to give them all a try!  Thanks to each one of the craftsmen that participated, you done _reel_ good!

Obviously you haven’t looked deeper into the flies yet.  Watch out for my #12 fly and hope you didn’t get it.  It left here perfect but might have overheated in the big brown truck and so I’m not responsible. — Warren For Henry’s Fork Clave and Bozeman fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt Reverse email to reply

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Ya know….For all the loathing you receive from this group, there is nobody here that discredits you more than you discredit yourself. Over, and over, and over again, you prove just how huge a fraud you really are. It’s simply stunning…Boggles the mind, really. /daytripper (You even make Clinton look honest…)

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Did you copyright it?  If so, I’d have the legal team of Bert, Ernie, and Oscar look into it…

I looked back on this, and it occurred to me that some might have thought I was making light of Charlie’s notice of G’s hanky-panky regarding his report.  In case there is any doubt, I meant to satire George’s "copyright" signature nonsense in _his_ posts contrasted with his willingness to completely ignore the intended purposes and even the copyrights on the work, including books, of others.  The fact that he has misrepresented, or plagiarized outright, others’ writings should come as no surprise. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"I purchased a Gehrke bamboo rod in October of 1999 and wrote a long and thoughtful review of the rod. It was a decent rod despite a few cosmetic flaws (wrap gaps, spotty varnish, dirtiness beneath the varnish primarily at the nodes, use of epoxy instead of varnish on the wraps). Regardless, the rod was arguably worth the $383 despite its imperfections.

Or about the price of a used Granger in decent condition? While it would be a used rod, it would likely be free of the sort of imperfections you encountered. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Reminds me of Arnold J. Rimmer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — http://www.gink.com/cgi-bin/guestbook/igb.cgi

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)) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Reminds me of Arnold J. Rimmer. — http://www.gink.com/cgi-bin/guestbook/igb.cgi

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Did you copyright it?  If so, I’d have the legal team of Bert, Ernie, and Oscar look into it…

Well, it seems he got a few people to go to his site, maybe it was in danger of fading away unless somebody looked (does a web site exist if nobody visits?). <g — Charlie…

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No Dave it is AM(Almost M).Gink ain’t got what it takes to produce true FM.  For Flyfishers only: A bottle of Gink to make ‘em stink,A bottle of wine to make ‘em shine. — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Zimbo writes: I find it very curious that several of the entries in the guestbook seem to have been written over a year ago but magically appeared within a one-day span several days ago. I also find it interesting that despite there being a 25 character minimum size limit for a comment, many of the entries are fewer than 25 characters. It would seem unethical to transcribe dated testimonials to make them appear to be guestbook entries. It’s FM, Zim. Dave

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George, Are we boasting or doing a little self promotion? Isn’t it amazing how 18 people from around the country all post testamonials within 40 minutes of each other. Paul

I find it amazing that Charlie Wilson just got back from the Western Clave…. what a trout bum! I don’t find it amazing at all that the crazed p.t. barnum lunatic of flyfishing did this…. kinda follows his pattern…. lies, lies, and more lies…. –walt

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I find it amazing that Charlie Wilson just got back from the Western Clave…. what a trout bum!

    I found it amazing that the product report I posted to roff appeared on a commercial site…..

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I find it amazing that Charlie Wilson just got back from the Western Clave…. what a trout bum!     I found it amazing that the product report I posted to roff appeared on a commercial site…..

there is that little, perchance illegal, indescretion. –walt

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I find it amazing that Charlie Wilson just got back from the Western Clave…. what a trout bum!    I found it amazing that the product report I posted to roff appeared on a commercial site…..

Did you copyright it?  If so, I’d have the legal team of Bert, Ernie, and Oscar look into it… TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Did you copyright it?  If so, I’d have the legal team of Bert, Ernie, and Oscar look into it…

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Zimbo writes: I find it very curious that several of the entries in the guestbook seem to have been written over a year ago but magically appeared within a one-day span several days ago. I also find it interesting that despite there being a 25 character minimum size limit for a comment, many of the entries are fewer than 25 characters. It would seem unethical to transcribe dated testimonials to make them appear to be guestbook entries.

It’s FM, Zim. Dave

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Did you copyright it?  If so, I’d have the legal team of Bert, Ernie, and Oscar look into it…

Well, as a last resort, you could duelly reprot him to his ISP…. TC, R

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– http://www.gink.com/cgi-bin/guestbook/igb.cgi

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George, Are we boasting or doing a little self promotion? Isn’t it amazing how 18 people from around the country all post testamonials within 40 minutes of each other. Paul

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http://www.gink.com/cgi-bin/guestbook/igb.cgi

I find it very curious that several of the entries in the guestbook seem to have been written over a year ago but magically appeared within a one-day span several days ago. I also find it interesting that despite there being a 25 character minimum size limit for a comment, many of the entries are fewer than 25 characters. It would seem unethical to transcribe dated testimonials to make them appear to be guestbook entries. Since I’m quite certain my guestbook entry dated "Apr 5, 2001 – 04:18:42" will be promptly removed from Mr. Gehrke’s site, I have copied it in its entirety and included it here: "I purchased a Gehrke bamboo rod in October of 1999 and wrote a long and thoughtful review of the rod. It was a decent rod despite a few cosmetic flaws (wrap gaps, spotty varnish, dirtiness beneath the varnish primarily at the nodes, use of epoxy instead of varnish on the wraps). Regardless, the rod was arguably worth the $383 despite its imperfections. However, after receiving my rod several of my friends received rods in much poorer condition than mine. In fact, Mr. Gehrke actually had the brazen gall to send the same defective rod to several different individuals. When they returned the rod, he would become angry and make disparaging personal remarks about them on a the fly fishing newsgroup. He would then simply send the same rod to another unsuspecting individual. Mr. Gehrke’s dishonesty and misrepresentation combined with the $100 increased price for the model of rod I purchased make the product one I definitely do NOT recommend. Let the buyer beware." –Steve Zimmerman

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_______ I spent so much money today . . . buying the final Bastard Assembly Line Items, I don’t know how MUCH the Certified Check was for, but just the ink on it weighted 3 pounds.  (From what Gladys says)  The postage to send it Priority Mail cost her $22! I do know this.  Bastards are going to be worth every bit of $1800 – $2400 dollars right out of the starting blocks.  That I’m crazy enough to offer them for $300 as an introductory challenge to the world of fly fishing, does NOT mean I’m forced to hold these prices forever. Why don’t you guys move the conclave to here and help me build your fly rods? Today it is a steady, cold, spring rain.  My fax machine blew up.  Had to buy a new one.  Just now finished hooking it up. This was AFTER we mailed that BIG check. See your Grand American & Bastard Updates.  Order a reel with that Bastard Beauty that you have coming.  You only live once.  This is what a lot of you are doing. Visit: http://www.gink.com I’m looking for a good golf ball wax for this one golf ball I have.  Any suggestions Walt?  It is, by the way, beginning to look its age.  I’ve only played 112 rounds of golf with it.  Wayne will make it 113 which will be his spook number.  Possibly we should write a book about this one.  "How to Play With One Ball," by F. Burywood?  Forward by:  Wayne Harrison? Mr. G.

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_______ I spe I’m looking for a good golf ball wax for this one golf ball I have.  Any suggestions Walt?  It is, by the way, beginning to look its age.  I’ve only played 112 rounds of golf with it.  Wayne will make it 113 which will be his spook number.  Possibly we should write a book about this one.  "How to Play With One Ball," by F. Burywood?  Forward by:  Wayne Harrison? Mr. G.

 George…you’re askin the wrong guy. I lose more damn balls than a schizoid squirel loses nuts. Hell, last time out I lost 18 damn balls in one round. I’d smack my tee shot and lose sight of the dang thing. After ’bout 4 hours of this crap I headed for the bar.  About 15 minutes later this guy walked in with his wife and gave me my damn 18 titleists back. He said, it’s proper golf ettiquette to remove the ball from the holes after you sink ‘em. Go figure. Waldo —          The Blue Ridge Book Gallery      P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604       http://www.mercury.net/~wgwinter to view our ongoing auctions at Ebay, click below… http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=blue…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – _______ I spe I’m looking for a good golf ball wax for this one golf ball I have.  Any suggestions Walt?  It is, by the way, beginning to look its age.  I’ve only played 112 rounds of golf with it.  Wayne will make it 113 which will be his spook number.  Possibly we should write a book about this one.  "How to Play With One Ball," by F. Burywood?  Forward by:  Wayne Harrison? Mr. G.  George…you’re askin the wrong guy. I lose more damn balls than a schizoid squirel loses nuts. Hell, last time out I lost 18 damn balls in one round. I’d smack my tee shot and lose sight of the dang thing. After ’bout 4 hours of this crap I headed for the bar.  About 15 minutes later this guy walked in with his wife and gave me my damn 18 titleists back. He said, it’s proper golf ettiquette to remove the ball from the holes after you sink ‘em. Go figure. Waldo

Mr.  G.

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I’ve driven all over the country and seen some mighty fine independent outdoor shops. Long-time owner-operated, hardwood floors, hand-picked stock, great stuff, great stories, multi-generation shops. Let’s wake up folks. These shops are going the way of the dodo. The chains and BAD shops are taking over. Maybe one way we can STOP this sad trend is to make a list of our favorite shops nationwide. Then stop by when we’re in the area. Maybe go on drives to see these treasures! One selfish reason of mine to do this is that I haven’t taken a big road trip lately and I’d like to go revisit some of those great ole shops. OK, I forgot where some of them were. Of course, you know that outdoor sport shops aren’t the only disappearing dodos in civilized retail. Quality independent restaurants, hardware stores and bookshops are in the same boat. Maybe there’s a way we can rescue them all at once? Putting the word out about where there are can’t be a bad way to start. — Jeff Potter   !.com   delete ‘DELETETHIS!’ to reply ***"Out Your Backdoor": Friendly Magazine of DIY Adventure and Culture        http://www.glpbooks.com/oyb … with a full line of books, bookstore & forum

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The chains and BAD shops are taking over. Maybe one way we can STOP this sad trend is to make a list of our favorite shops nationwide. Then stop by when we’re in the area.

My experience so far is that the typical chain store doesn’t carry the best outdoor gear… i.e. they will have Timberland boots but not Vasque or Asolo… But in Birmingham Alabama I would recommend Alabama Outdoor and Roger’s Trading Co.  I have to say, though, that one of my favorite things to do in Atlanta is visit REI, and I think they are a great place to get gear. cordwood

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In the Dallas Texas Area, look to: Backwoods  (corner of Coit and Campbell roads, Richardson) <–also carry flyfishing gear, woohoo! Mountain Hideout Lover’s Lane, just a block West of the Dallas North tollway We have an REI in town, but I like these stores better, they go out of their way for you, whether you are asking for an expensive tent, a pair of $18 socks, or even $2 zipper pulls. In Dayton, Ohio, go to General Surplus, don’t have the address. — Matt Blickensderfer * A Grouchy German is a Sour Kraut! *

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve driven all over the country and seen some mighty fine independent outdoor shops. Long-time owner-operated, hardwood floors, hand-picked stock, great stuff, great stories, multi-generation shops. Let’s wake up folks. These shops are going the way of the dodo. The chains and BAD shops are taking over. Maybe one way we can STOP this sad trend is to make a list of our favorite shops nationwide. Then stop by when we’re in the area. Maybe go on drives to see these treasures! One selfish reason of mine to do this is that I haven’t taken a big road trip lately and I’d like to go revisit some of those great ole shops. OK, I forgot where some of them were. Of course, you know that outdoor sport shops aren’t the only disappearing dodos in civilized retail. Quality independent restaurants, hardware stores and bookshops are in the same boat. Maybe there’s a way we can rescue them all at once? Putting the word out about where there are can’t be a bad way to start. — Jeff Potter   !.com   delete ‘DELETETHIS!’ to reply ***"Out Your Backdoor": Friendly Magazine of DIY Adventure and Culture       http://www.glpbooks.com/oyb … with a full line of books, bookstore

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I am from Minnesota and this trout and salmon fishing is new to me. I have done some fishing already and had pretty good success with the warm water species. I am looking for a place to take my son and catch some trout/salmon. Scott Lodoen Hawg Custom Rods – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :     I am new to Northern Idaho and would like some advice on what and : where to fish. I live in the Coeur d’Alene area. Look out the door.  You will find a lake there of some size. Care to be more specific? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: Actually, his statement comes from the fact that many residents of : the region prefer to consider themselves part of a different state, often : talking (at least somewhat jokingly) about seceding from Idaho.  The : politics, economics, etc., "up there" are significantly different from : "down south", but all the state government is located in the south, : and a lot of people up north feel that they aren’t fairly treated. Seldom is the discussion done "somewhat jokingly."  N. Idaho has tried seceding on several occasions, including the original, to become a part of Washington, and even Montana.  (Canada has never been considered an option.)  Since N. Idaho has the majority of resources, excluding population, the idea is always defeated by the majority in Boise. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Actually, his statement comes from the fact that many residents of the region prefer to consider themselves part of a different state, often talking (at least somewhat jokingly) about seceding from Idaho.  The politics, economics, etc., "up there" are significantly different from "down south", but all the state government is located in the south, and a lot of people up north feel that they aren’t fairly treated. It’s the same way here in Oregon, except the division is east/west vs. north/south.  I suspect the same is true in Washington, too. Jeff (formerly from Boise) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are going to nit-pick – at least try to be consistent. Is there now an area or state called North Idaho ? You then refer to "eastern Washington" Not "east Washington" ?? I am from Southern – Whoops, I mean South California ? I think you may be confusing adjectives with nouns or something like that. Bill – - – - – - – -     I am new to Northern Idaho and would like some advice on what and where to fish. I live in the Coeur d’Alene area. Well, for starters quit referring to it as Northern Idaho!!!  It is North Idaho. Look the quickest method for finding the best fishing spots is to look in the fishing regulations.  Catch and kill fishing for trout,particularly cuts, reduces the population significantly.  The best fishing is always going to be found in catch and release waters, then followed by limited kill areas, etc. etc.  down the line. Of course, in the catch and release areas you have to share the water with some rather strange people…but the problem is less signifcant in Idaho than here in eastern Washington where we have the Seattle folks fishing our waters. My all time favorite is when a Seattle fly club showed up 50 strong on a tiny lake…then proceeded to set up a PA system so they could listen to the Seattle Mariners ballgame while they fished!!  I asked one of the members if they took their flyrods to the ballpark….he answered " that would be stupid".  Oh, so it makes sense to take the ball game to the lake while fly fishing!!.  My guess is that they would have set up a big screen TV…but fortunately they forgot to bring their satellite dish.

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:     I am new to Northern Idaho and would like some advice on what and : where to fish. I live in the Coeur d’Alene area. Look out the door.  You will find a lake there of some size. Care to be more specific? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Is flyfishing a sport or is it recreation? How about assigning it to a ng about addictions? BobE.

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Is flyfishing a sport or is it recreation? How about assigning it to a ng about addictions? BobE.

The answer is "Yes". This is what I always considered this ng to be about…Addiction…Capital "A"… Dennis

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Hi, is anyone here in this group who can give me informations for flyfishing posibilities in Italy south of the alps? Thanks Hans-Peter Weigel D-28213 Bremen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Hi, is anyone here in this group who can give me informations for flyfishing posibilities in Italy south of the alps? Thanks Hans-Peter Weigel D-28213 Bremen All the Italians come to Slovenia to fish – Italy sucks. Mike

In order to avoid another politicly or culturely motivated bout of mud slinging, I think you should clarify whether you meant that the fishing in Italy sucks  :-(  or whether you meant that Italy as a country sucks. ) Not Italian, but more sensitive to the feelings of nationalism than ever. Mike Uetz

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says… Hi, is anyone here in this group who can give me informations for flyfishing posibilities in Italy south of the alps? Thanks Hans-Peter Weigel D-28213 Bremen

All the Italians come to Slovenia to fish – Italy sucks. Mike

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In order to avoid another politicly or culturely motivated bout of mud slinging, I think you should clarify whether you meant that the fishing in Italy sucks  :-(  or whether you meant that Italy as a country sucks. ) Not Italian, but more sensitive to the feelings of nationalism than ever. Mike Uetz

Of course I’m refering to the fishing – this is rec.outdoors.fishing.fly NOT italy.as.a.country.sucks Mike

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I am contemplating a trip to the Denver/Golden/Boulder area on either April 22 or may 5. Is there a general time when the snowmelt makes the rivers unfishable? I am also interested in fishing for trout in lakes via float tube and would appreciate suggestions for guides, lakes favorite fly shops etc. Please E-me with any details. Thanks in advance. JT

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Try the S Platte in Cheesman Canyon!!  Can be great at that time of the year.  It’s about a 90-minute drive s.w. of Denver. Lakes and floattubes are really out, at that time of the year. j.

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says… Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog.

It’s a great leader for the small stream technical fishing that I do here in the Blue Ridge Mtns. It lays out nice with no memory and is the best leader by far I’ve ever used for bow and arrow casting into small pockets under and around mountain laurel. I’ve never used it for wide open water so I can’t comment on it for that but I suspect it would more than suffice for stillwater situations where you would desire a light presentation. I don’t believe I’d use it for nymphing. –Walt

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forgot to mention one thing…. throw away the mono bimini-twist tippet they provide. THAT IS A PIECE OF JUNK  and will cause you nothing but pain, frustration and agony on the river. I build my own 2 to 6 foot tippet addition with a loop to connect to the braided leader. –Walt

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says… Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog. Check out the new Airflo leaders. They’re available in floating and several

different sink rates. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s a great leader for the small stream technical fishing that I do here in the Blue Ridge Mtns. It lays out nice with no memory and is the best leader by far I’ve ever used for bow and arrow casting into small pockets under and around mountain laurel. I’ve never used it for wide open water so I can’t comment on it for that but I suspect it would more than suffice for stillwater situations where you would desire a light presentation. I don’t believe I’d use it for nymphing. –Walt

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i use them for nymphing all the time.. the braided section tends to grip a strike indicator very well and the bimmini twist in the tippet helps to turn over a wieghted

fly quite well.. the only trouble i have had with them is that they tend to streach a bit when striking a fish Steve

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I use braided leaders all the time, for surface flies and nymphs, mostly because they’re soooo easy. But they also work. This topic comes up every now and then, and the only real criticism that I can resonate with is that they tend to hold water and so can create a spray. This can scare spooky fish, especially in flat water, but false casts cure it.

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… I use braided leaders all the time, for surface flies and nymphs, mostly because they’re soooo easy. But they also work. This topic comes up every now and then, and the only real criticism that I can resonate with is that they tend to hold water and so can create a spray. This can scare spooky fish, especially in flat water, but false casts cure it.

 Airflo also produce a tapered leader called ‘Polyleader’ – these have a  monofilament core surrounded by a tapered coating which does away with  the splashing problem.  About 5 feet long, you just tie on a mono  tippet as for the braided type and they turn over pretty well.  cheers all,  Dave — Fishy pix of N.Wales at:  http://xavier.bangor.ac.uk/dlane/fishing/ He that is giddy thinks the world turns round.

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Dave,     I have used the AirFlo leader and found it to be very useful.  For a beginning fly fisher my local shop suggested I skin back a little of the tippet end of the leader to expose the core and tie a loop.  I can then change tippets with a simple handshake knot very quickly.  The setup certainly casts very well with my limited ability and offers great flexibility as I make up various size tippets in advance. Wayne To fish is human…to release devine.

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Dave,    I have used the AirFlo leader and found it to be very useful.

Ditto, I find the Airflo Poly leader the best I’ve ever used. Wes

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Tom, I have been using an Orvis braided for about a year now, for dry’s , nymphs and streamers. I am still using the same leader, where as before I would go through a dozen leaders a season (actually saves me $).  They are great, hardly ever knot up, but when they do you must be very careful because you can ruin it picking it apart. They tend to sink easier tham mono, but when fishing a dry a little floatant takes care of the problem.  They turn over great and have no memory. Scott Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog.

– Scott Maxwell http://www.page.az.net/scud

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: They are too expensive at $9-10. I got a 9′ 5X about 3 months ago and : it has fallen apart (fished once a week). Flies that have a tendency : to twist (hoppers) will tangle a lot faster. After a couple of trips, : it started to fray and cause the line to tangle even more. : On the other hand. There is little memory. Just rig the line off the : reel. I have an Orvis line with the loop and it makes a good fit. It : did seem to help with controlling drag. No problems casting small : drys. : I wish it would be a little more durable or a little less expensive. : I might buy another but only use it when casting small drys. : Michael L You may want to try the AirFlo braided leaders.  I’ve been using them for several years and really like them.  They’re more durable than the Orvis leaders and they seem to float better as well. I also really like their lack of memory.  A little more spray than monofilament leaders (tho not much); but not a problem if you don’t make your first cast after pickup over the fish you are casting to (a good idea even if you’re not using braided leaders).  I’ve used these leaders with really small flies on spring creeks (Silver Creek and the Henry’s Fork) and not ever had a problem with presentation or spooking fish due to a braided leader (of course I usually fish downstream in these situations).  In fact the braided leader usually allows me to make a better presentation because it has so little memory.  I think the AirFlo leaders cost around $7-8.  They also have sinking braided leaders with different sink rates; makes it easy to create a sink tip from your floating line (or give your sinking line a little more "sink" at the tip). – Ward — —  Ward Foster            Hewlett-Packard, Boise Idaho

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Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog.

Hi All, This all happened about 10 years ago here in California. Orvis and others brought in the tapered braided leaders and they soon died off. I hear that they are alive and well in Europe. Try it, you might like it? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog. Hi All, This all happened about 10 years ago here in California. Orvis and others brought in the tapered braided leaders and they soon died off. I hear that they are alive and well in Europe. Try it, you might like it? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

Hi! I use them for nymphing on big rivers, With small dries and small creeks I use mono. I think they are best for big waters and bigger fish. In other words the opposite opinion from earlier writers on this subject. Hans

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Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog.

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Tom, When they first came out Orvis was giving away samples so I took one and stuck it in my tackle box where it remains still in its wrapper. I make my own leaders.  If you want it give me your mailing address and I will send it to you. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them.

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They are too expensive at $9-10. I got a 9′ 5X about 3 months ago and it has fallen apart (fished once a week). Flies that have a tendency to twist (hoppers) will tangle a lot faster. After a couple of trips, it started to fray and cause the line to tangle even more. On the other hand. There is little memory. Just rig the line off the reel. I have an Orvis line with the loop and it makes a good fit. It did seem to help with controlling drag. No problems casting small drys. I wish it would be a little more durable or a little less expensive. I might buy another but only use it when casting small drys. Michael L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog.

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Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them.

– I purchased one 8-ft braided section (w/4-ft 5X tippet) this spring based on the recommendation of a friend who also gave me some other advice… 1.  Trash the 4-foot bimini twist tippet with the package 2.  Loop a 3-foot section of 3X to the braided leader 3.  Tie on a 4-foot section of 5X-7X depending on conditions 4.  Dress the braided leader with a very light wax/silicone coating     to prevent water uptake and enhance floatability Makes a good 15-ft small tippet leader that turns over like a 9-foot knotless tapered leader.  I have had good success with this set-up fishing both small drys and nymphs on the tailwater streams here in NE TN this season.   Still fishing the original braided section (over 15-trips), but it probably won’t make it to next season. My understanding is that Orvis has coated the braided sections (see #4 above) on some of the later versions of this leader set-up due to problems with water uptake and misting.             | /              |/    (         /|     —     / | C. Michael Bullard The Yellar Hammer

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Jim.  Buy one roll of 5x braided and then in a warm well lighted room try to thread a freshly cut section of braided tippet through the eye of a # 20 hook.  This may help you decided if you want to switch over

I’m actually interested in a braided butt section, since that is the part that is really stiff.  I plan to stick with mono tippets, since they’re flexible enough.  I think a braided butt would be better for eliminating drag. — Jim Benenson                 Los Alamos, New Mexico, USA "The commonplace is only the self-constructed wall that separates us from the marvelous"  Tom Brown, Jr.

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I own a set of Orvis braided leaders.  While they do produce tight loops, they soak up water.  This make them heavy to pick up on the backcast and you run the risk of spooking fish with the spray during false casts. Lastly, I tried to add a 4 foot section of tippet material to the 5 foot braided leader (making it a nine foot leader).  THe tippet section did not straighten well.  Orvis sells tippet sections that are supposedly tapered, but they are expensive. Daren Valentine

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I use the Orvis braided leaders and LOVE them.  They last for about two years and I just tie on a length of tippet material on the end, then change that from time to time.  I’ve used both the light ones on my 5 weight rod, and the medium weight ones on my 7 weight.  I feel that the price is justified, even though I have to buy tippet material too.  Plus like you say, they’re not as stiff.

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I use the Orvis braided leaders and LOVE them.  They last for about two years and I just tie on a length of tippet material on the end, then change that from time to time.  I’ve used both the light ones on my 5 weight rod, and the medium weight ones on my 7 weight.  I feel that the price is justified, even though I have to buy tippet material too.  Plus like you say, they’re not as stiff. Don’t you have problems with wind knots? I know wk’s are mainly due to poor casting technique, but I always seem to have more problems with the braided leaders. But you are correct – they are limp. Bob –

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: Recently I have begun to do some offshore racing outside the San Francisco Bay  and I now need to buy my own offshore harness.  I’ve been advised that a : a self-inflating harness is the best way to go. : However, I work the foredeck. : Some people say that you really have to submerge these harnesses for them : to inflate, others say that they’ve had them inflate when they are piled : in with other wet gear for a period of time. I’ve used the belt inflated life jacket for about 3 years now.  Normal maintanence requires that you inflate them once a year at least.  If you do that the unit will not inflate until it is under water for a time. If you don’t inflate it regularly it may more may not inflate when you need it.  The CO2 cartrage will discharge over time so you want to replace it yearly to be on the safe side.  If you inflat it put it under water to check for leaks.  A unit that isn’t repack once in a while will be more likely to be holed. I’d say get you’re own equipment.  Also look at the line that connects the harness to the boat.  You may want different lengths for different boats. I’m currently running my jack line from the cochpit around the babystay and back.  This way I can walk around the mast and back if I don’t like the seas on the low side etc.  As this line floats up I can run a very short line.  If I have crew up there on the foredeck helping I need more line. I find line length effects productivity up there.  A short line that is long enough to do the job doesn’t get tangled, stepped on or removed because it’s in the way.  You can make a long line short by splicing your own end and feeding a bunge cord through it. For fore deck work I would recomend getting very creative with this jack line.  If you don’t you will find yourself up there removing it to untangle yourself etc. As for the clip for a jack line they put some pretty user unfreindly line connectors on some of the harness.  I’m devided as they must have a reason but I end up using carbeners because they are easy to work with going in and out of the cabin.  Basicly if I don’t have to think about it I find I connect myself.  If I have to fiddle with it I catch myself unconnected. Another thing to look at on a harness is storage.  I know this sounds strange but the ‘right’ place to put a wistle and a water prouf flash light is on the harness.  It’s been measured that you can blow a wistle in cold water when you can’t yell to flag another boat down. I have the personel strobes but the helogen flash lights (small ones using the AA batteries) can be pointed right at the boat you’re trying to flag down.  These little guys are bright and last a good long time. I also have more faith in a light I’m using often to one that is stored and never used but to test.  Tests don’t give you a feel for the battery life etc. As a fordeck person I hope you know never to go up there without a good sharp knife.  This could save your life someday if you ever get wrapped. I started doing this years ago never needed it but if it’s blowing hard you may not be able to communicate you’re arm being broken to the guy behind you. — AST Research Inc.          (714) 727-8669

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In practice it’s actually very rare for foredeck crew to be "hooked in" while working the foredeck of a competitive race boat. They hook in while sitting on the rail or trimming, but being tethered during a jibe or sail change would be problematic. *Some* crew hook in during these maneuvers at night, but this is rare, in my experience. Even singlehanded, it took practice to learn how to jibe the spinnaker while hooked in. For a full crew to jibe an ocean racer with all their tethers attached would be chaos.   Your first defense against being lost overboard (after holding on tight, that is) is a good life jacket and a personal strobe and whistle. Maybe a backup waterproof flashlight, too. I’m very strict about wearing this equipment offshore. The harness, in the vast majority of weather conditions you’ll encounter off the coast, is going to be far too encumbering to allow you to race the boat effectively. I have an old North vest which I love because it has nice deep pockets for the strobe and other stuff (and it served well when I survived a sinking, the Bird boat FALCON in 1989 Master Mariners, in the middle of SF Bay). If I were shopping for a new lifejacket I’d probably favor one of the Stearns fishing models, because of the multiple pockets, and the high degree of freedom of motion they offer. Having said that, you still need a harness for the times that the weather is *really* bad, and especially for the long time intervals between maneuvers when there’s no efficiency lost by being hooked on. So my preference is for a single-purpose shoulder harness, of a fairly simple design that can be sorted out and put on in the dark while you hold on with the other hand. It’s important that the tether have good, oversized (expensive) shackles at *both* ends, so if you find yourself tangled in something you can re-lead from your end. Also consider using some nylon rope instead of the webbing for the tether. A cleat hitch around the nearest cleat is generally more reliable than a carbiner through a pad eye, and you can adjust the length of the teather to be no longer than what you really need. BTW I don’t think much of caribiners for this application, because they have to be closed to develop full strength. (my tether has a very large torsion-spring gate-type snap hook on the far end, and an equally oversize "fly-away" type spinnaker sheet shackle (about what you’d find on a 40′ boat) at my end.                                              -"Call me Fishmeal"-

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Some people say that you really have to submerge these harnesses for them to inflate, others say that they’ve had them inflate when they are piled in with other wet gear for a period of time.

My experience is that on a long wet trip e.g. sailing from Hawaii back to California, the self-inflating life jackets always trigger. My suboptimal solution has been to remove the self inflating cap, spring, and tablet, but leave the CO2 cartridge and the manual trigger pull tab. Stan Honey San Francisco

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|   | Some people say that you really have to submerge these harnesses for them | to inflate, others say that they’ve had them inflate when they are piled | in with other wet gear for a period of time. |   | My experience is that on a long wet trip e.g. sailing from Hawaii | back to California, the self-inflating life jackets always trigger. | My suboptimal solution has been to remove the self inflating cap, | spring, and tablet, but leave the CO2 cartridge and the manual trigger | pull tab. On the other hand, my experience with a Crewsaver, Crewfit lifejacket is that it has never inflated when I haven’t wanted it to, and has inflated when needed.  I have been out in conditions when I would have expected it to trigger and it hasn’t. I suspect that the tendency to trigger "accidently" depends on the particular lifejacket.  The self inflating capsule on the Crewsaver is well protected by the folded lifejacket and this may not be the case in other designs. Marion Edwards

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Recently I have begun to do some offshore racing outside the San Francisco Bay  and I now need to buy my own offshore harness.  I’ve been advised that a a self-inflating harness is the best way to go. However, I work the foredeck. Some people say that you really have to submerge these harnesses for them to inflate, others say that they’ve had them inflate when they are piled in with other wet gear for a period of time. I would appreciate anyone else’s feedback and experience on this before I spend some money. Thanks for the help, Allison Serventi

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