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Mike Connor writes: "Waiter, there is a fly in my soup". "Is it black sir ?". "No".  "Oh good, then you wont need the rubber bands".

ROFL.  Woke up the dog!  Best esoterica and it immediately goes into the roff hall of shame.  Thanks, Mike. Dave LaCourse "We can’t change the winds, but….. we can adjust our sails!!"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Waldo writes: Ignore all of the advice you have heard here.  I live in Ontario, the black fly capital of the world.  Don’t wash for 5 days then go fishing – nothing will bite you – promise.  Taste your skin after five days without soap and water – tastes bitter – tastes that way to the bugs too.  Our skin has a natural repellent but we keep washing it off. And I’m serious – worked for me in the North West Territories.  Five days in the bush and about half a dozen bites.  Ten minutes in Yellowknife after a shower and I swear every f*****g bug within half a mile had taken a chunk. Peter damn, no wonder mark looked green every mornin down in almond waldo

Yeah, and HE was immune from all the flying biters too.  Of course, this explains a lot about Peter’s truck… Dave LaCourse "We can’t change the winds, but….. we can adjust our sails!!"

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Blackflies are part of the northwoods experience and an indicator of the right time to go fishing: i.e., the thicker the flies (usually) the better the fishing. Deep-Woods Off (40 percent DEET) will keep them more or less at bay and do so about as well as the 100-percent DEET products like Repel or Ben’s, with less damage to you and your equipment. Here in Maine we pretty much slather it on all day in fly season, which for us lasts from around the last of May until mid-July in the Penobscot drainage. As you can see, avoiding fly season means avoiding fishing season. By time the flies are gone, so is the runoff water and many of the trout, at least the accessible ones. Some folks wear bug jackets with gloves, and these work pretty well with some restriction in mobility and vision; you can’t really follow your fly very well through a headnet. The better bug jackets are those made of tightly woven cotton with mesh panels at the front of the hood and under the arms for ventilation. The all-mesh jackets tear up pretty quickly in the puckerbrush and they don’t even slow mosquitoes down, as they can drill right through the mesh wherever it touches you. The secret to dealing with blackflies is not in eliminating the pain of their bites but in not minding the pain of their bites. After a while you get used to it. If you smoke, keep a cheap cigar or reeky pipe tobacco going as a smudge pot; after a while you’ll hardly notice the little buggers. JRB

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Hell, if THAT works, then smokin’ a blunt will work even better. /daytripper (I mean, if *numb* is what you want…)

Works on moose apparently. Peter email is spam blocked – remove first ’s’

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Long sleeve shirts AND rubber bands around wrists. I recommend a head net also if you absolutely must go into the northwoods during blackfly season. I do not. I don’t go after late May or before late August. Not the Adirondacks but northern Ontario. — Ken Fortenberry What a wussy flatlander you are.  <g Best fishing is during black fly season. Dave L.

What’s a black fly? Peter (snicker) email is spam blocked – remove first ’s’

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I’m planning to do some fishing in the central and northern Adirondacks this summer and am trying to get up there when the dreaded black flies aren’t.   Anyone have any experience with this little monster?   If I were there, say, end of June, would I be slaughtered? Thanks Dave

Ignore all of the advice you have heard here.  I live in Ontario, the black fly capital of the world.  Don’t wash for 5 days then go fishing – nothing will bite you – promise.  Taste your skin after five days without soap and water – tastes bitter – tastes that way to the bugs too.  Our skin has a natural repellent but we keep washing it off. And I’m serious – worked for me in the North West Territories.  Five days in the bush and about half a dozen bites.  Ten minutes in Yellowknife after a shower and I swear every f*****g bug within half a mile had taken a chunk. Peter email is spam blocked – remove first ’s’

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"Waiter, there is a fly in my soup". "Is it black sir ?". "No".  "Oh good, then you wont need the rubber bands". TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Ignore all of the advice you have heard here.  I live in Ontario, the black fly capital of the world.  Don’t wash for 5 days then go fishing – nothing will bite you – promise.  Taste your skin after five days without soap and water – tastes bitter – tastes that way to the bugs too.  Our skin has a natural repellent but we keep washing it off. And I’m serious – worked for me in the North West Territories.  Five days in the bush and about half a dozen bites.  Ten minutes in Yellowknife after a shower and I swear every f*****g bug within half a mile had taken a chunk. Peter

damn, no wonder mark looked green every mornin down in almond waldo

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I grew up in the area you are thinking of hitting this summer. Usually in July, the biggest pain in the butt isn’t the blackflies, but the horseflies and deerflies. One of these things is worse than a 1000 blackflies when it comes to the bite. I find that if you use deep woods cutter, they leave you alone. If you eat a banana, you will not make it more than 10 feet into the woods before you are chewed to bits. The blackflies will usually be out that time of year in the earlier dusk, then it’s the mosquitos. The last couple of years they haven’t been all that bad. Good luck up there. Any questions on where to go in the area between Watertown and Lake Placid, let me know. I may even be able to set you up with a free guide of the area, or I may be in the area then myself. Just drop a line. Gordo The worst day on the water beats the best day in the office. Gordo

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 deer flies have a tendency to land of the back of your head.  As stupid as this idea sounds, it really works.  I have come in after a day of fishing to find as many as twenty deer flies stuck on the back of my hat.

    why not demonstrate your altruistic nature and send a few patches to petah charles for application to his crotch somewhere around the third day out… wayno

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I grew up in the area you are thinking of hitting this summer. Usually in July, the biggest pain in the butt isn’t the blackflies, but the horseflies and deerflies. One of these things is worse than a 1000 blackflies when it comes to the bite. I find that if you use deep woods cutter, they leave you alone. If you eat a banana, you will not make it more than 10 feet into the woods before you are chewed to bits.

I am the pate de foie gras of the biting insect world, the lobster thermidor, the hollandaise sauce.  There is nothing in this world which will dissuade them from sampling me if the opportunity presents itself.  Black flies, mosquitos, deer flies, chiggers, horse flies, no-see-ums, and ticks will drink a pool of DEET if they think I am at the bottom of the pool.  Sadly, it seems to be a matter of individual body chemistry.  It makes no difference whether I am sterilized or wallowing in eight days of filth.  Copious clouds of cigarette smoke annoy them but will not keep them from biting. Thus far, deer flies are the only biting insects for which I have found an effective deterrent, and this is so bizarre that most people will probably not believe it.  I didn’t myself until I actually tried it.  Tred-Not deerfly patches are pieces of fly paper with a sticky side that is attached to the back of your hat, and a VERY sticky side that traps flies when they land on it.  For reasons unknown to me, deer flies have a tendency to land of the back of your head.  As stupid as this idea sounds, it really works.  I have come in after a day of fishing to find as many as twenty deer flies stuck on the back of my hat.  These things are made by a company called Detex in Michigan.  I know they have a web site but I’ve lost the address.  However they are available at the following URL: http://www.biconet.com/traps/deerflyPatch.html

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Yes, You will be feeding the little buggers. Some tips: rubber bands around wrists. Rubber bands around wrists??? Inquiring minds want to know.      - Ken

the rubber bands cut off all circulation, making the hands numb and unable to feel any bites <G.   chris

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I’m planning to do some fishing in the central and northern Adirondacks this summer and am trying to get up there when the dreaded black flies aren’t. Anyone have any experience with this little monster? If I were there, say, end of June, would I be slaughtered? Thanks Dave

I spent a month one day in northern NH because of the black flies.  I have found that they peak early, usually in late May, early June.  There may be some around in late June, but if you use deet, they will stay away.  Puffing on a cigar will help, just puff away like your Clinton.  <g When I say "deet", I mean the 100% stuff.  It is baaaaad stuff, but it will keep them away.  Use in on your clothes, especially your hat, and use normal bug juice with a high concentrate of deet on exposed areas.  Do not expose your fly line or your fly rod to deet. I fish Labrador the 1st week in July each year, and black flies and mosquitos are as bad as anywhere.  Dress with long sleeves (a sweat shirt is good), or, a cotton turtle neck jersey is even better — it will protect your arms AND neck.  Wear fingerless gloves, and put them on after you have used the bug juice. Wear a hat and spray it well with deet.  I have found that bug jackets are inaffective with black flies.  They pile up on the front and after awhile, you can not see.  <g  But you *are* water proof.  d;0) Dave LaCourse "We can’t change the winds, but….. we can adjust our sails!!"

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Long sleeve shirts AND rubber bands around wrists. I recommend a head net also if you absolutely must go into the northwoods during blackfly season. I do not. I don’t go after late May or before late August. Not the Adirondacks but northern Ontario. — Ken Fortenberry

What a wussy flatlander you are.  <g Best fishing is during black fly season. Dave L.      —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free Usenet News via the Web  —–      —–  http://newsone.net/ —  Discussions on every subject. —–    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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DJ     Generally speaking, blackflies in areas that far North have already peaked and are more likely to be just a mild nuisance in the evening. I take my vacation 4th of July week here in Maine, partly because the worst of the blackflies is past, and partly because there’s still good surface activity on our trout ponds. Late June should be bearable in that regard.

Last week in June is well into the decline of blackflies in the Adirondacks–in a normal year.  For the last couple summers it’s been harder to predict them, but everybody I know said they were not as bad as usual.  In 1997 I hiked across the whole park in late June, and the blackflies were barely around.  That was almost a bummer, because after a dozen mosquito bites, one gets nostalgic for a neckfull of blackfly welts. DS

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Couple of things no one has mentioned black flies tend to bit more around areas that have a pulse wrists behind the ears ankles If you get Deet on nylon it’s shot it turns into sticky mess that doesn’t dry Rub dirt on your hands after putting on your bug spray Pick up some afterbite to take the sting away they come in containers a little bigger than a pen. Bring lots of friends they might find them more delicious

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It keeps your sleeve ends closed !  Works on trousers too. Strip of Velcro is better, does not cut off the circulation. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, You will be feeding the little buggers. Some tips: rubber bands around wrists. Rubber bands around wrists??? Inquiring minds want to know.      - Ken — "That said, I *am* an unabashed Animal Rights supporter. I *WOULD*  vote to make C&R illegal." – Tim Walker "Ethical conduct is purely a personal thing, and the only  arbiter of personal ethics is your own conscience."  - Mike Connor

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, You will be feeding the little buggers. Some tips: rubber bands around wrists. Rubber bands around wrists??? Inquiring minds want to know.      - Ken the rubber bands cut off all circulation, making the hands numb and unable to feel any bites <G.   chris

Hell, if THAT works, then smokin’ a blunt will work even better. /daytripper (I mean, if *numb* is what you want…)

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I’m planning to do some fishing in the central and northern Adirondacks this summer and am trying to get up there when the dreaded black flies aren’t.   Anyone have any experience with this little monster?   If I were there, say, end of June, would I be slaughtered? Thanks Dave

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The worst day I ever had with black flies was in 1975 in Franklin Landing were Great Bear River flows out of Great Bear Lake. There was no breeze to keep the flies down. Everywhere you looked you saw little black dots the white walls of the ship were black with flies one of the deckhands had to be taken by the hand to his room as his eyes had swollen shut from black fly bites. I put two sweaters on to try and add more distance between me and the flies they would burrow through the wool and still bite. I think I went through two or three cans of bug spray.I’ve been all over the North and that was hellish day. If it’s a dead calm day I would think twice about a hike through the bush.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m planning to do some fishing in the central and northern Adirondacks this summer and am trying to get up there when the dreaded black flies aren’t. Anyone have any experience with this little monster? If I were there, say, end of June, would I be slaughtered? Thanks Dave

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DJ     Generally speaking, blackflies in areas that far North have already peaked and are more likely to be just a mild nuisance in the evening. I take my vacation 4th of July week here in Maine, partly because the worst of the blackflies is past, and partly because there’s still good surface activity on our trout ponds. Late June should be bearable in that regard.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m planning to do some fishing in the central and northern Adirondacks this summer and am trying to get up there when the dreaded black flies aren’t. Anyone have any experience with this little monster? If I were there, say, end of June, would I be slaughtered? Thanks Dave

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Yes, You will be feeding the little buggers. Some tips: don’t wear anything blue. don’t use anything scented (soaps, etc) rubber bands around wrists. Where abouts are you planning on fishing. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m planning to do some fishing in the central and northern Adirondacks this summer and am trying to get up there when the dreaded black flies aren’t. Anyone have any experience with this little monster? If I were there, say, end of June, would I be slaughtered? Thanks Dave

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Yes, You will be feeding the little buggers. Some tips: rubber bands around wrists.

Rubber bands around wrists??? Inquiring minds want to know.      - Ken — "That said, I *am* an unabashed Animal Rights supporter. I *WOULD*  vote to make C&R illegal." – Tim Walker "Ethical conduct is purely a personal thing, and the only  arbiter of personal ethics is your own conscience."  - Mike Connor

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Rubber bands around wrists??? Inquiring minds want to know.

Long sleeve shirts AND rubber bands around wrists. I recommend a head net also if you absolutely must go into the northwoods during blackfly season. I do not. I don’t go after late May or before late August. Not the Adirondacks but northern Ontario. — Ken Fortenberry

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Dave writes-re: Blackflies I’m planning to do some fishing in the central and northern Adirondacks this summer and am trying to get up there when the dreaded black flies aren’t.   Anyone have any experience with this little monster?   If I were there, say, end of June, would I be slaughtered?

Yes. Prepare yourself with a pure-DEET type repellant, plus cigars and cigarettes keep them back a few feet. Despite all efforts, if out for a days fishing, expect to be bitten heavily. It’s worth noting, some of my best fishing for trout, both in PA and New England have been when blackflies were fierce….they are aquatic hatches as well.                           Tom Littleton

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My favorite river appears to have a hatch of what somebody told me was Crane Flys.  The insects torso hangs below the wings and the bottom of the torso comes around and looks like it connects with the thorax.  Imagine a flying J with wings on the top part of the J and you have the insect I am talking about. Does anybody have any information on these insects and if so, what patterns best imitate them. Thanks! Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

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FlyFis4fun: <<Does anybody have any information on these insects and if so, what patterns best imitate them. Patterns are in "Fly Patterns of Umpqua Feather Merchants", and Stewrt/Allen’s "Flies for trout".  Both adult and larva patterns are listed.  I can not imagine the crane fly as a major hatch, but if you say so…… Dave LaCourse

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My favorite river appears to have a hatch of what somebody told me was Crane Flys.  The insects torso hangs below the wings and the bottom of the torso comes around and looks like it connects with the thorax.  Imagine a flying J with wings on the top part of the J and you have the insect I am talking about.

If they are indeed crane flies, also know as "daddy long legs" they belong to the family tipulidae, and are terrestrials which often fall on the water in considerable numbers, especially when it is windy,  being very clumsy fliers.  They are often imitated using long trailing knotted pheasant tail or nylon legs, body, hackle, and hackle tip spent wings to match the colour, usually from light tan to dark brown, but olive and yellow variations are also common.  An excellent pattern may be made using detached buoyant mayfly bodies. TL MC

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Thanks for the information gentleman but it appears that the insect that I am seeing is something other then the Crane Fly.   The insect in question, as afore mentioned, is a pale tan to whiteish tan and flys with its torso bent around to connect near its thorax.  It hatches in fair numbers though I must admit, I have never seen any of them actually land on the water.  The primary food on this river is Stone Flys so this is more of a question exploration then anything else. Thanks for the help so far. Mike

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the information gentleman but it appears that the insect that I am seeing is something other then the Crane Fly. The insect in question, as afore mentioned, is a pale tan to whiteish tan and flys with its torso bent around to connect near its thorax.  It hatches in fair numbers though I must admit, I have never seen any of them actually land on the water.  The primary food on this river is Stone Flys so this is more of a question exploration then anything else. Thanks for the help so far. Mike

Hi Mike, how big is this insect ?  Does it hatch from the water, or does it just appear on the water ? TL MC

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Many Crane Fly species are terrestial, living in damp soil.  Aquatic species are usually found in streams with bottoms of fine gravel silt or sand.  Pupation usually takes place in damp soil along stream margins and is therefore of little account to the flyfisherperson. The larvae are simple and tube like and usually not available to fish as they burrow rather deeply and have no swimming abilities.  They are available during spates and may be represented by wooly worms.  The "Muskrat", an old Polly Rosborough pattern is another Crane Fly larva imitation.  Adults seem to be more available during light summer rains and may be represented by any appropriately sized and colored dry fly. As I write this I am watching a hiuge cranefly llumbering around the room….here in the Northwest there is a species that frequents lawns(well watered) and in climax years actually causes quite a bit of damage to the turf. Thanks for the information gentleman but it appears that the insect that I am seeing is something other then the Crane Fly.   The insect in question, as afore mentioned, is a pale tan to whiteish tan and flys with its torso bent around to connect near its thorax.  It hatches in fair numbers though I must admit, I have never seen any of them actually land on the water.  The primary food on this river is Stone Flys so this is more of a question exploration then anything else. Thanks for the help so far. Mike

– Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                          Tom McGuane

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The insect in question, as afore mentioned, is a pale tan to whiteish tan and flys with its torso bent around to connect near its thorax.  It hatches in fair numbers though I must admit, I have never seen any of them actually land on the water.  The primary food on this river is Stone Flys so this is more of a question exploration then anything else. Thanks for the help so far. Mike

Hello Mike, I sometimes fish a limestone stream in Eastern Pennsylvania  where Orange Craneflys (orange head) gather in clusters all along the stream banks and edge of water.  The locals have an easy to tie pattern for the orange cranefly that is very effective..  Basically, your going to tie a dry fly without a tail or wings — just body, legs, & head.   Very lightly dubbed muskrat body with Dun colored hackle, use orange thread and build a small head.  I hope this helps. Dave

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My favorite river appears to have a hatch of what somebody told me was Crane Flys.  The insects torso hangs below the wings and the bottom of the torso comes around and looks like it connects with the thorax.  Imagine a flying J with wings on the top part of the J and you have the insect I am talking about. If they are indeed crane flies, also know as "daddy long legs"

I don’t know about where you live, Mike, but in the US Crane Flies and Daddy Long Legs are not at all the same thing. Crane Flies actually have wings and fly. They look like gigantic mosquitoes, but they don’t bite. Daddy Long Legs look like large spiders (but they aren’t spiders). They don’t have wings.

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Crane Flies:   When I was in Ireland a few summers ago, the gillie taught me how to "dibble" for salmon: He put a relatively heavy wet fly at the end of my leader, and then a bushy dry fly on a dropper, about 6′ up from the tippet.   The idea was to use the wet fly as an anchor, and then bob the rod tip, so the dry fly danced on the surface of the water…on the surface one second, then suddenly 6" above, like a big bug jumping up and down on the water.   So I haven’t tried this over hear yet, frankly, but talking about it did lead to some interesting new information. I told this story to George Anderson,   and he said  "Sure, the guys over in Dillon (MT) have been fishing the crane fly hatch on the Beaverhead that way for years!" — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0  * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy  */

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They look like giant mosquitoes…so how about a size 2 mosquito??? George

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Fish the larvae The trout eat them Lots easier to tie too… a Beaver leech — Free Lake Fly Fishing On-Line Magazine Lake Fly Fishing CD’s, Videos, Books http://www.rural.escape.ca/angling_north/fishing/organz.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All,     I must first say that have been reading ROFF rather religiously the past couple weeks and have found it to be extremely beneficial to my fly fishing. Many of my own queries have been addressed here.  Thank you.     Anyway, now to my question.  I have been fishing a particular stream with nice smallmouth in it for years now.  I have exclusively used ultra-light takle for this stream and have been extremely successful.  Now that I am more into flyfishing, I now want move on and try out some flys on this stream, but being as I have mainly flyfished for the rainbows of East Tennessee, I am somewhat at a loss for what types of flys to use.     I was wondering if anyone would have some suggestions for what are some good, general, "ol’ trusty" flys for catching smallmouth out of streams? Any bit of information will be greatly appreciated!                                                                 Thanks *BOB*

Hi Bob, I prefer to take them on top if I can. I would try something about one inch long like a hopper or dry muddler.  A friend that was working back East for a few years found out they liked the steelhead dry fly called the ‘Bomber’. It is spun and clipped grey deer hair body with a grizzly palmered hackle in about a size #6 or 8. I also used a light colored medium sized hard bodied popper on the lower umpqua River in Oregon. Early morning and late evening is best on top. Under water I would try a Whitlock Near-nuff Crayfish, weighted brown Wolly Bugger, Clouser Minnow or Big brown Rubberleg Nymph. Something weighted that is big, buggy and black or brown? I have also heard that they can be caught on most trout patterns at times.

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   I must first say that have been reading ROFF rather religiously the past couple weeks and have found it to be extremely beneficial to my fly fishing.

LOL! We must be slipping! [snipped]    I was wondering if anyone would have some suggestions for what are some good, general, "ol’ trusty" flys for catching smallmouth out of streams? Any bit of information will be greatly appreciated!

My experience with stream smallies (eg: Housatonic, Contoocook) has been that whatever I’m using for trout will generally work with the small mouths (in fact when I’m aiming for the trout the smallies seem to get to my fly first). If I’m aiming to hook up with small mouths, big flies (especially soggy ones) seem to work best. Woolly Buggers/Bombers, Deceivers, Matukas, Muddlers (my favorite), Wool-head Sculpins, etc. For dry flies, terrestrials (hoppers, beetles, flying ants, etc) have worked for me, along with the more "trouty" patterns. hth! /daytripper

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    Anyway, now to my question.  I have been fishing a particular stream with nice smallmouth in it for years now.  I have exclusively used ultra-light takle for this stream and have been extremely successful.

What did you use that was so sucessful?  Try imitating it.  Crayfish? Try a crayfish pattern (complicated to tie) or just a weighted woolybugger fished slowly in  crayfish colors.  Appropriately colored (weighted if necessary) wooly buggers can also imitate hellgramites or leeches. Floating Rapalas? A streamer in the colors of your most sucessful plugs might do the trick- a generic baitfish imitation will have a light underside and dark back, maybe some flashabou or a tinsel wrapped hooked or mylar body.  I find that smallmouths will eagerly strike dries and nymphs if drifting nearby, but are more likely to chase larger flies over some distance.  A floating muddler minnow, slightly waking the surface at the end of the downstream swing sometimes works really well.  In general I’ve had the best experiences with down-n-across presentations.  Since you have been an ultralight fisherman, you should be familiar with a "color" available in soft plastics called "pumpkinseed".  Some folks really like chartreuse but I typically stick to earth tones.  Was that too vague?  My best wooly bugger this year: #8 2x streamer hook.  Light olive, medium sized chenille body.  Very light olive (almost appears yellow in the water) marabou tail with (soft) red palmered hackle. Mu Young Lee             Ann Arbor, MI   USA

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Try size 8-4 clousers in brown orange and Chartreuse and white. Also, Woolly Buggers in brown, black, and olive in sizes 10-6 are good. And you can’t go wrong with deer hair bugs DAYGLOW York Team DBE

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Hello All,     I must first say that have been reading ROFF rather religiously the past couple weeks and have found it to be extremely beneficial to my fly fishing. Many of my own queries have been addressed here.  Thank you.     Anyway, now to my question.  I have been fishing a particular stream with nice smallmouth in it for years now.  I have exclusively used ultra-light takle for this stream and have been extremely successful.  Now that I am more into flyfishing, I now want move on and try out some flys on this stream, but being as I have mainly flyfished for the rainbows of East Tennessee, I am somewhat at a loss for what types of flys to use.     I was wondering if anyone would have some suggestions for what are some good, general, "ol’ trusty" flys for catching smallmouth out of streams? Any bit of information will be greatly appreciated!                                                                 Thanks *BOB*

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I’ve had luck with such flies as Bitch Creek, Wooly Buggers, and streamers. I kinda concoct my own fly that is basically a bunch of dubbing wrapped aound the shank of the hook with a maribou tail, usually in black, size 4-6. You can weight them for deeper waters if needed. Minnow patterns usually work good, I’ll make that same fly and add some flashabou to it as an attractor. Hope that helps. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All,     I must first say that have been reading ROFF rather religiously the past couple weeks and have found it to be extremely beneficial to my fly fishing. Many of my own queries have been addressed here.  Thank you.     Anyway, now to my question.  I have been fishing a particular stream with nice smallmouth in it for years now.  I have exclusively used ultra-light takle for this stream and have been extremely successful.  Now that I am more into flyfishing, I now want move on and try out some flys on this stream, but being as I have mainly flyfished for the rainbows of East Tennessee, I am somewhat at a loss for what types of flys to use.     I was wondering if anyone would have some suggestions for what are some good, general, "ol’ trusty" flys for catching smallmouth out of streams? Any bit of information will be greatly appreciated!                                                                 Thanks *BOB*

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download headers until you get to the thread posted by Todd Arnold on July 15….folks responded pretty goo to that one and it contains a variety of tips… and then look for a book titled, "Smallmouth strategies for the

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I’ve been using an old Minn Kota 28 lb transom mount electric, thinking of buying a new trolling motor for more power and better ability through weeds. Mostly fish bass and muskies, casting toward shore and working through weeds and around stumps.The boat is 16′ aluminum, side console, powered by 30 horse motor. I think I’ll need at least 48" shaft if I go bowmount, probably 36-42 pound thrust, 12 V. Any experience with the various electric (laser, radio, wire) motor steer style vs pedal with cable steering or hand control? Convenience, durability, reliability, etc? I like to fly fish, am concerned about wrapping line around cables and pedals. Is a bow mount worth the significant extra expense over a transom mount? Appreciate any recommendations you can offer. Thanks in advance.

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I’ve been using an old Minn Kota 28 lb transom mount electric, thinking of buying a new trolling motor for more power and better ability through weeds. Mostly fish bass and muskies, casting toward shore and working through weeds and around stumps.The boat is 16′ aluminum, side console, powered by 30 horse motor. I think I’ll need at least 48" shaft if I go bowmount, probably 36-42 pound thrust, 12 V. Any experience with the various electric (laser, radio, wire) motor steer style vs pedal with cable steering or hand control? Convenience, durability, reliability, etc? I like to fly fish, am concerned about wrapping line around cables and pedals. Is a bow mount worth the significant extra expense over a transom mount? Appreciate any recommendations you can offer. Thanks in advance.

Hi John, I’ve used a 24V Minn Kota Autopilot model 824 for the last 2 years on a 14.5 ft aluminium boat with a 35hp motor. The 824 is 48lb thrust and has a remote electric foot control (wire). For flyfishing, a  bow mount with remote control is essential if you are fishing structure for bass etc as you seem to be doing, esp. if your fishing with a partner. You can put the foot control on the rear casting deck but still steer from the front. The auto pilot option keeps pointing to a fixed heading (even though the boat may be pivoting around it). For fly fishing, this option means if you hook a big one close to snags you can point the motor to power away from the snag and then fight the fish without needing to make any other adjustments to your course (you need to fish with someone set up with it to believe it). I may up-grade to the wireless remote version (easy to do) which will get rid of the control wire, but if I coil the wire up carefully it is only a small, fairly snag free obstruction. I got 24v in preference to 12v because 2 x 12v batteries in 24v draw less current than 2 x 12v batteries at 12v. Lower current draw gives higher efficiency (longer life). Let me know if you want more detail. Cheers John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders’

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I just wanted to pass on this information. I posted here about two weeks ago that I was selling a Bantam Curado reel and received an e-mail from a man by the name of Warren Hansen.  He claimed that he was interested and made me a good offer to buy the reel.  He suggested that we agree on a day, and send the payment check and reel in the mail.  I was wary of this because I didn’t know if I could trust him.  When I e-mailed him saying I would send it C.O.D. thru UPS so that he couldn’t get the reel until he paid, I never heard back from him.  I can only assume that he had no intention of paying me since he bailed out as soon as I suggest a method thatwould force him to pay me.  Just letting you know in case this guy is doing this to other people.

   I’d be reluctant to slander the guy based on the scenario you’ve presented. I wouldn’t go for a UPS COD deal either. No one is home to receive and pay for the merchandise. When I’ve bought/sold stuff on the net the technique was to send the merchandise on receipt of a check or MO. In that case the buyer is at risk, but I’ve never had any problems. — Charlie   Newark, DE To reply by email please remove antispam "TY" from address.

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snip previous post Good point George, Does anyone know if it’s possible to open the package and check the contents before accepting shipment?  This is still assuming UPS COD as the method of transaction.  Is COD payment always in cash? Leny

As far as UPS goes, you can’t open it until you accept it.  UPS accepts checks. — Mark Cahill For E-mail remove the _Remove_This from the reply to address. http://www.geocities.com/Baja/3297/fishing.htm Mark Cahill’s Fishing New Engand -Daily Fishing News http://www.reel-time.com/ The Internet Journal of Saltwater Fly Fishing – Metropolitan Boston Regional Editor

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You were right to be wary. Never do business where the transaction can be costly to you. You made a very good suggestion on how to do it right. However, you should have posted a message describing what happened, leaving out the name. Informing others is useful but wrongly accusing (a suspect he certainly is) an individual is not.                         Cal– ****To reply e-mail remove the "_Remove_This " from the return address. ***** There is always free cheese in a mousetrap.

Nope…still a potential problem.  You are assuming that the seller really has something to sell.  UPS could show up (with a box full of rocks) and collect my cash…then who got cheated?  A con could work either way. Actually, in the original post, there was another unsubstantiated (how’s that for an engineer?) allegation: "He’s doing this to others." (paraphrased).  How does Noah know that? Just a little fodder for thought. George B.

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Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children read these postings.

Please be advised. If kids are anywhere near the usenet there are far worse things then swear words.  alt.fishing is mighty close to alt.f***ing in my news group list. I have not set up my account on my home system for this very reason.   TimW

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Nope…still a potential problem.  You are assuming that the seller really has something to sell.  UPS could show up (with a box full of rocks) and collect my cash…then who got cheated?  A con could work either way. ……snip……. George B.

Good point George, Does anyone know if it’s possible to open the package and check the contents before accepting shipment?  This is still assuming UPS COD as the method of transaction.  Is COD payment always in cash? Leny

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What is the new group?  Is there a rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.vulgar? -Mark Vinsel In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you can’t stand this….then don’t read any of the posting in the New group!!!      And I bet you are encouraging your kids to use vulgarity all the time IF YOU ARE EVER IN DOUBT…….CALL SOMEONE CLOSE TO YOU     Steve, Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children read these postings. Neil McNerney yeah, so if you keep it clean here odds are that they will never hear that kind of talk.

–   new web address:  http://www.vinsel.com

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: Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children : read these postings. No shit.

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Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children read these postings. Please be advised. If kids are anywhere near the usenet there are far worse things then swear words.  alt.fishing is mighty close to alt.f***ing in my news group list. TimW

This whole issue of profanity is not to protect the children from learning words they’re going to learn anyway it’s a matter of decency and setting an example.   The more examples children see, especially of those they look up to, the more they are going to repeat the behavior in the examples. They WILL learn those words.  Their behavior with regard to those words will be taught by us. Set a good example. gamma Daniels                                    / /                                   ((o o))                            —oOOo-(Y)<-oOOo— University Computing Services   <`)))<      <`)))<  71533,1011 University of Southern California      <`)))<      <`)))< I love the smell of baitfish in the morning.  Smells like… Saturday!!

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Being of Irish extraction ( 1/2 by blood), I can peel wallpaper with a good cussing but this is not the place for it. — Michael J Barnett

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You were right to be wary. Never do business where the transaction can be costly to you. You made a very good suggestion on how to do it right. However, you should have posted a message describing what happened, leaving out the name. Informing others is useful but wrongly accusing (a suspect he certainly is) an individual is not.                         Cal– ****To reply e-mail remove the "_Remove_This " from the return address. ***** There is always free cheese in a mousetrap.

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If you can’t stand this….then don’t read any of the posting in the New group!!!      And I bet you are encouraging your kids to use vulgarity all the time IF YOU ARE EVER IN DOUBT…….CALL SOMEONE CLOSE TO YOU     – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve, Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children read these postings. Neil McNerney yeah, so if you keep it clean here odds are that they will never hear that kind of talk.

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Some people just don’t know any better as that is the way they were brough up and live now. — Kent Prescott  D.A.V. & Mr. Mom  Remove the # before replying. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Being of Irish extraction ( 1/2 by blood), I can peel wallpaper with a good cussing but this is not the place for it. — Michael J Barnett

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Please refrain from letting your children read these postings.  Some people use profanity to get their point across.

Profanity is tasteless in newsgroups. Its also a waste of good profanity. Profanity should be saved up for when you lose a good fish. stev — stev_ix_netcom_com is a fake. Sorry, Im tired of all the crap I get in the mail.    

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The scary part is the guy posting with an "EDU" domain has the worst grammar.  Quit reading the news groups and study your freshman English homework. Of course, you could be an engineering student and then we would understand. — Michael J Barnett

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"Mama told me not to come…" Three Dog Night.

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Neil, Please refrain from letting your children read these postings.  Some people use profanity to get their point across.

Yeah, gawddammit! </c

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Profanity is tasteless in newsgroups. Its also a waste of good profanity. Profanity should be saved up for when you lose a good fish. stev

That’s right!!

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Noah- I guess it pays to be a little cautious but my experience has been very different than yours.   I have sold three reels to different people in the past two years.  In each case I insisted on sending them the reel first so they could evaluate and see that it was to their satisfaction. In each case I received a perfectly good check by return mail.   I corresponded with each of these people by e-mail and simply chose to trust the honesty of my fellow man.  I am not saying I would make the same decision in every case.  But after corresponding with each of these people that was the decision I made. It worked out well for me. Michael To reply please remove "nospam" from my address. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just wanted to pass on this information. I posted here about two weeks ago that I was selling a Bantam Curado reel and received an e-mail from a man by the name of Warren Hansen.  He claimed that he was interested and made me a good offer to buy the reel.  He suggested that we agree on a day, and send the payment check and reel in the mail.  I was wary of this because I didn’t know if I could trust him.  When I e-mailed him saying I would send it C.O.D. thru UPS so that he couldn’t get the reel until he paid, I never heard back from him.  I can only assume that he had no intention of paying me since he bailed out as soon as I suggest a method thatwould force him to pay me.  Just letting you know in case this guy is doing this to other people.                                                         -Noah Rollins                                                          http://grove.ufl.edu/~noahr                              "Should we, or should we not,                        follow the advice of the galactically stupid?"                           -Tom Cruise, "A Few Good Men"

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Steve, Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children read these postings. Neil McNerney

yeah, so if you keep it clean here odds are that they will never hear that kind of talk.

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You are a little, little man. Noah. People back out on deals all the time — a shame, but that’s doing business on the internet. He did not cheat you. You did not lose your reel….Why slander someone senselessly? For all you know, the poor SOB is in a hospital, after a car wreck, and it’s just taking him a long time to reply to your COD arrangement, since he’s having to type with a golf-pencil taped to his fucking TONGUE!

 Uh, Steve… I think maybe you are getting a little carried away here. Noah was just trying to help.  Maybe you should lay off the Mountain Dew??

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : ….. I can only assume that he had no : intention of paying me since he bailed out as soon as I suggest a method : thatwould force him to pay me.  Just letting you know in case this guy is : doing this to other people. You are a little, little man. Noah. People back out on deals all the time — a shame, but that’s doing business on the internet. He did not cheat you. You did not lose your reel….Why slander someone senselessly? For all you know, the poor SOB is in a hospital, after a car wreck, and it’s just taking him a long time to reply to your COD arrangement, since he’s having to type with a golf-pencil taped to his fucking TONGUE!

Steve, Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children read these postings. Neil McNerney

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  Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children   read these postings.   Neil McNerney

Neil, Please refrain from letting your children read these postings.  Some people use profanity to get their point across. -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html email: replace the "this_address_is_wrong" with "tgades"

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I just wanted to pass on this information. I posted here about two weeks ago that I was selling a Bantam Curado reel and received an e-mail from a man by the name of Warren Hansen.  He claimed that he was interested and made me a good offer to buy the reel.  He suggested that we agree on a day, and send the payment check and reel in the mail.  I was wary of this because I didn’t know if I could trust him.  When I e-mailed him saying I would send it C.O.D. thru UPS so that he couldn’t get the reel until he paid, I never heard back from him.  I can only assume that he had no intention of paying me since he bailed out as soon as I suggest a method thatwould force him to pay me.  Just letting you know in case this guy is doing this to other people.                                                         -Noah Rollins                                                          http://grove.ufl.edu/~noahr                              "Should we, or should we not,                        follow the advice of the galactically stupid?"                           -Tom Cruise, "A Few Good Men"

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: ….. I can only assume that he had no : intention of paying me since he bailed out as soon as I suggest a method : thatwould force him to pay me.  Just letting you know in case this guy is : doing this to other people. You are a little, little man. Noah. People back out on deals all the time — a shame, but that’s doing business on the internet. He did not cheat you. You did not lose your reel….Why slander someone senselessly? For all you know, the poor SOB is in a hospital, after a car wreck, and it’s just taking him a long time to reply to your COD arrangement, since he’s having to type with a golf-pencil taped to his fucking TONGUE!

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Will, Find a phone book when you get there, Call the nearest flyshop and ask where the fall run chinook are on the Rogue or Where it is open on the Umpqua (North and Main Stream). — Bob Crossley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m gonna be in Roseburg for a few weeks (the rest of this month thru the first week of Oct.). Any info on flyfishng in that area or on the coast would be appreciated. Will

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will, Find a phone book when you get there, Call the nearest flyshop and ask where the fall run chinook are on the Rogue or Where it is open on the Umpqua (North and Main Stream). — Bob Crossley I’m gonna be in Roseburg for a few weeks (the rest of this month thru the first week of Oct.). Any info on flyfishng in that area or on the coast would be appreciated. Will

Fall run Chinook…or Spring run or any run Chinook don’t readily take to flies.  (And when they do, you don’t want to mess with a forty pound fish spawning salmon who’s flesh is melting off right in front your eyes.  If you don’t break your rod, you’ll go into shock when you see what an ugly mess you’ve hauled in.) Steelhead, on the other hand, that’s a different story. The Umpqua is a wonderful Steelhead river with 30 miles of flyfishing only water.  That said, you should find a guide the first day or two. Steamboat Inn has guides, or try Joe Howell’s Fly shop in Idylwild. Good luck, Kevin

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I’m gonna be in Roseburg for a few weeks (the rest of this month thru the first week of Oct.). Any info on flyfishng in that area or on the coast would be appreciated. Will

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I have to agree with Keith, it is better to check all of the facts before sending replys.  I have fished the bighole for 11 yrs and live in Idaho where many mines have conducted operations with little or now adverse effect on the watersheds.  Much more damage comes from new home developement such as on the north shore of Henry’s Lake.   Doug

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I have to agree with Keith, it is better to check all of the facts before sending replys.  I have fished the bighole for 11 yrs and live in Idaho where many mines have conducted operations with little or now adverse effect on the watersheds.  Much more damage comes from new home developement such as on the north shore of Henry’s Lake.  

Yes, there are some good mining operations, but much mining is very environmentally harmful.  When you consider that mining companies pay next to nothing for the privilege, it’s especially disturbing.  There’s a reason that Butte, MT and the Clark Fork River constitute one of the largest Superfund sites in the U.S., compliments of Anaconda. John Woodling Sacramento, CA

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[text indicating belief in the Big Hole Big Lie SWALLOWED by  the Big Bit Bucket] Sandy just carved another notch in his 6WT computer keyboard. Nice catch ! TimW

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. . snip . Reading this is gut wrenching, to say the least. As I read this, I think . of the battle raging over the proposed mine at the headwaters of Penns . Creek. I have fished both the Big Hole and Penns, and they are both the . kind of waters trout fisherman dream of. I’m sure the management of the . mining company responsible for the Big Hole tragedy assured the local . sportsmen that no harm would come of the watersheds as a result of their . work. Alas, a promise made on paper will not prevent the kind of mishap Jennifer, Please check your facts before you spout off.  Sandy Pittendrigh’s Big Hole tragedy was a farce.  It did not happen.  Regular readers of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly are aware of this.  You owe an apology to the mining company you wrongly lambasted.  Do I really expect one?  No, self-proclaimed "enviromentalists" rarely have that level of integrity. – Keith

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You’re seriously believing this nonsense?  Mail me a copy of the article from the newspaper and THEN I’ll believe you. Jeff

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Yesterday’s Billing’s Gazette and Bozeman report the incredible loss

of the Bi g Hole River, due to a mining accident at Maidenrock. Miners at the

Rhoene Polen c talc mine, at Maidenrock canyon, apparently broke into a heretofore unknown labyrinth of cavernous, underground limestone chambers. The sudden

change in a ir pressure apparently caused an explosion, which collapsed the roof of

the limes tone chamber, and swallowed the entire flow of the Big Hole river,

approximately 5 miles upstream from Melrose.    Montana State University researchers estimate it will take 3-5

months for t he river to fill this massive underground cave system, and then resurface again, somewhere downstream, near Twin Bridges. Twelve to fifteen miles of

the Big Ho le river, it appears, will be permanently lost to this insideous

underground flow ! Sandy: I suppose I should say thanks for the information, but it somehow sticks in my throat.  I have fished in that area several times in recent years, and was planning to return this September.  Any further information on this devastating event would be appreciated for those of us here in the east.              Mark Faulkner Reading this is gut wrenching, to say the least. As I read this, I think of the battle raging over the proposed mine at the headwaters of Penns Creek. I have fished both the Big Hole and Penns, and they are both the kind of waters trout fisherman dream of. I’m sure the management of the mining company responsible for the Big Hole tragedy assured the local sportsmen that no harm would come of the watersheds as a result of their work. Alas, a promise made on paper will not prevent the kind of mishap which has taken down this great river. To those of you living and fishing this part of the Bighole, our hearts go out to you. To those of us living and fishing Penns Creek, I say this; let this be a lesson to all of us. The mining company doesn’t give a rats ass about the watershed or the sportsman who call it a friend. Let this serve as a call to arms. As much as I would love to kick somebody (Gov. Ridge) right in the nuts over this, it would do no good. The battlefield will be a court of law, and that requires money. The Orvis Company is spearheading the defense of Penns Creek. Any contributions to the defense fund sent to the following address will be matched by Orvis. Make check or money order payable to; Penns Valley Conservation Association and send it to; Penns Valley Defense Fund C/O Orvis, Historic Route 7A Manchester VT, 05254 Any donation over $200 is tax deductible. Thanx for the bandwidth Tom

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If you respond to his post *please* don’t include his web site address again. That means he will just get more responses to his post… Good diving… Sam . This is not an advertisement!!! . . I just stumbled upon the site and wanted to let everyone know . that you can save a ton of money if you purchase lightsticks by A perusal of deja news shows unequivocally that Brian Cimins is directly involved with the light sticks.  Therefore he is a liar. – Keith

–          http://www.tdl.com/~sam 1) Download and preview "Giant Stride Divelog" for Windows 2) SCUBA trivia with new trivia each time you access it…

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. . This is not an advertisement!!! . . Aren’t you the same bonehead that was here a month or so ago? . Still full of crap I see……. .Yes Mike, Brian Cimins is the same.  When I pointed out that he is a liar he .responded via e-mail thus: .        Re: This web site can save you money!!! .    To: .Does it bother you that I am making more money on every posting that I make?? .Even if people, like yourself, with no life and obviously a terrible vocabulary, .continue to haggle me I will continue to make money….SO GET A LIFE OR GET A .JOB!!! .BYE NOW!! .This is an automatic response to idiots…please do not respond!! Judge for yourself whether "Brian Cimins" is a liar. – Keith

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On Monday, July 15, 1996, Brian Cimins wrote…  I dive, fish, camp and charter a boat and I go through lightsticks like water, and it was a pleasant suprise to come across a company whosells FACTORY DIRECT.  PLEASE DO NOT PASS THIS SITE UP!!

Where do you recycle all those lightsticks?

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This is not an advertisement!!! I just stumbled upon the site

Dann, I have been using CMB software’s slideshow5.1 for quite a while now, for the money invested, (only $20.00) it has alot of features! handles all major formats, include wav files, but the best thing about it, is how easy to use it is. Slide shows can be made in a matter of minutes!!!! I currrently have all my ocean shots running at work. Check it out at: ftp://ftp.mcs.net/mcsnet.users/cmbsoft/sldsho51.zip http://www.mcs.net/~cmbsoft/sldsho51.zip c’ya!

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following to rec.[outdoors.[fishing.fly,fishing.saltwater,marketplace],scouting,scuba]: This is not an advertisement!!!

Of course not.  We didn’t think it for a moment. I just stumbled upon the site and wanted to let everyone know…

Just stumbled upon it?  Kind of like I just stumbled upon this post from you back in May, before Netcome tossed you… | If you are a camper, boy scout, or leader please e-mail me for a | wonderful giveaway for this summer’s youth scouting camps. | | Sincerely, | Brian Cimins | Kailume Lightsticks | http://www.lightsticks.com Now, please stop your commercial advertising on Usenet. — Dan Masi Mentor Graphics Corp.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – . This is not an advertisement!!! . . CHEAP PRICES!!! WEB SITE: . . http://www.lightsticks.com . . This web site offers lightsticks for WHOLESALE PRICES!! . I just stumbled upon the site and wanted to let everyone know . that you can save a ton of money if you purchase lightsticks by . visiting this site.  I dive, fish, camp and charter a boat and I . go through lightsticks like water, and it was a pleasant suprise . to come across a company whosells FACTORY DIRECT.  PLEASE DO NOT . PASS THIS SITE UP!! . . http://www.lightsticks.com . . Peace to all you pioneers out there and BE SAFE!!! A perusal of deja news shows unequivocally that Brian Cimins is directly involved with the light sticks.  Therefore he is a liar.

This just goes to show that advertising using Usenet is not always a free ride.  Brian Cimins has chosen to use deception in order to get potential customers to check out a product that he sells.  Unfortunatly, now that he has been exposed, lots of potential customers will not consider purchasing *anything* from him in the future.   I don’t generally even investigate any web page that looks like it’s going to be from someone trying to get me to buy something.  If they choose to participate in the discussion group (because that is what this is) and include a reference that they might be in a related business I might check it out if I’ve them make some contributions to the group. Those that merely post here and ask for my business will never get it. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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On Monday, July 15, 1996, Brian Cimins wrote…  I dive, fish, camp and charter a boat and I go through lightsticks like water, and it was a pleasant suprise to come across a company whosells FACTORY DIRECT.  PLEASE DO NOT PASS THIS SITE UP!! Where do you recycle all those lightsticks?

in the last 48 hours, he has posted several dozen posts to many newsgroups, including several looking for distributors. This is an ad and it is his. He just plain lies. — Queens College, Computing and Information Technology Services Photography, Diving, Flying, Delphi RAD addict Diving Long Island Sound in Fairfield County, CT

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Now if I was an rude advertiser as he is, I would have 2 big concerns… a) he presents a WWW form for ordering, and uses COD as one form of shipment… I wonder what happens to his profits if lots of those orders turn out to be incorrect addresses (and he has to "eat" the shipping costs) and the product is returned to him. b) I wonder what happens if you call the provided phone number (908-929-8202) and try to order at say 3am (in the middle of the night).  I wonder who staffs the phone at those hours?  That could be quite annoying if he runs this business out of his house, wouldn’t you think? that might be a good time to tell him what you think of his ads. Mike — *My opinions, not Alcatel’s*      [] NC Diving: http://www.vnet.com/scuba/ A is A.    Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it.

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This is not an advertisement!!!

Aren’t you the same bonehead that was here a month or so ago? Still full of crap I see…….

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. This is not an advertisement!!! . . CHEAP PRICES!!! WEB SITE: . . http://www.lightsticks.com . . This web site offers lightsticks for WHOLESALE PRICES!! . I just stumbled upon the site and wanted to let everyone know . that you can save a ton of money if you purchase lightsticks by . visiting this site.  I dive, fish, camp and charter a boat and I . go through lightsticks like water, and it was a pleasant suprise . to come across a company whosells FACTORY DIRECT.  PLEASE DO NOT . PASS THIS SITE UP!! . . http://www.lightsticks.com . . Peace to all you pioneers out there and BE SAFE!!! A perusal of deja news shows unequivocally that Brian Cimins is directly involved with the light sticks.  Therefore he is a liar. – Keith

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This is not an advertisement!!! Aren’t you the same bonehead that was here a month or so ago? Still full of crap I see…….

I did a yahoo usenet search and found 7 posts to groups by this dodo, with this subject. — Queens College, Computing and Information Technology Services Photography, Diving, Flying, Delphi RAD addict Diving Long Island Sound in Fairfield County, CT

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This is not an advertisement!!! CHEAP PRICES!!! WEB SITE: http://www.lightsticks.com This web site offers lightsticks for WHOLESALE PRICES!! I just stumbled upon the site and wanted to let everyone know that you can save a ton of money if you purchase lightsticks by visiting this site.  I dive, fish, camp and charter a boat and I go through lightsticks like water, and it was a pleasant suprise to come across a company whosells FACTORY DIRECT.  PLEASE DO NOT PASS THIS SITE UP!! http://www.lightsticks.com Peace to all you pioneers out there and BE SAFE!!!

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This is not an advertisement!!!

It certainly do looks like one…

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This is not an advertisement!!! I just stumbled upon the site

same bozo, same bullshit pretending to be uninvolved, a few months later… | Chuck Narad — diver/adventurer/engineer                         | |                                                                  | |   "Yesterday is history.  Tomorrow is a mystery.  And today?     | |   Today is a gift.  That’s why we call it The Present."          | |                         – Babatunde Olatunji                     |

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Whats the best model/brand fly line? (wf5-floating)

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Whats the best model/brand fly line? (wf5-floating)

My vote is for the Ultra 3 by Scientific Anglers. Take Care,

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Whats the best model/brand fly line? (wf5-floating) My vote is for the Ultra 3 by Scientific Anglers.

Considering price as well, Cortland 333 (2nd choice 444) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I don’t know what the best line is but I can tell you to stay away from Courtlands Lazer Line.  I’ve got a DT5F that casts great….unfortunately it floats like a brick.  If I wanted a sinking line I would have bought one.  

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: Whats the best model/brand fly line? (wf5-floating) I am about to try out a WF6-F Mastery XPS.  Several fishing buddies and acquaintances think it is "the best". Cortland 444 lines last forever.  Cortland 444 SL lines tend to get sticky.  The Masterline series from Great Britain is not bad. — Burnaby, BC

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Whats the best model/brand fly line? (wf5-floating)

Hello William,         There are many good fly lines available to the angler today.  All of them have attributes that may or may not be what you are looking for. I don’t think you can go wrong with any of the cortland lines.  The SL lines float well and sag very little in the eyes of your rod.  The Lazer lines have small dimples in the texture,(much like a golfball) to give you the maximum distance.  My favorite line is by Scientific Anglers.  It is the Mastery XPS.  It  is a supple line allowing great control.  Not a distance line, but I am not a distance guy.  You should go into your local shop and have them explain these subtleties. They may even haave these lines available for you to cast.  Good Luck. Paul J.

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You bet! I’m Mike Jackson and I’m headed back to the 59th parallel, North Seal River flowage, in far northern Manitoba this summer. I was there last year in late July and my friend and I caught hundreds of pike between 25 and 30 lbs.  I am certain this is the year we will catch pike over 30 lbs., either on a fly rod, spoons, bucktails or surface baits. I am an outdoor writer in the Chicago area. I also host an outdoor radio talk show every week and travel around Canada looking for monster pike. This fantastic fishing is at Gangler’s Steven’s-Nicklin Lake 5-star outpost camp. We’ll stay overnight in Winnipeg, Manitoba Fri., Aug. 16. At around 6:30 Sat. morning, we’ll board Gangler’s private jet and fly to Lynn Lake, Manitoba. From there, we’ll transfer to  a twin-engine float plan which takes us to the Steven’s-Nicklin outpost. We’ll be into trophy pike by late morning. This 5-star outpost outshines many of the main lodges I’ve visited over the last 30 years. This beautiful location boasts two new oversized cabins with two separate bedrooms each, for parties of 4. There’s a full kitchen, bathroom, living room, with couches and screened porch in each cabin. All food is included. 24 hour electricity and a camp manager is on hand as well. I have room for 8 people the week of Aug. 16-24. The cost for 7 days of trophy pike, lake trout and grayling angling is $1,995. That includes airfare from Winnipeg.  There are always bargain flights available to Winnipeg from many locations in the midwest. The hotel and the flight to Winnipeg are the only added expense. If you’re interested, call Gangler’s Lodges, 1-800-23-LODGE and tell them you want go fishing with Mike Jackson the week of Aug. 16-24. This is the fresh water pike trip of a lifetime!                                   ******

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=You bet! =I’m Mike Jackson and I’m headed back to the 59th parallel, North =Seal River flowage, in far northern Manitoba this summer. I was Sigh, another ad….. Keep the ads out of these newsgroups, dude! =there last year in late July and my friend and I caught hundreds =of pike between 25 and 30 lbs.  I am certain this is the year we I personally doubt that you caught _hundreds_ of pike between 25 and 30 lbs, but none over 30 pounds. If there were that many just under 30 there would also have been some over 30, methinks. You could also say that hundreds of pike under 30 pounds but none sofar _over_ 30 seems to indicate that those waters don’t hold any bigger pike than that, possibly because there isn’t enough food for them to grow any bigger….. [snip] =If you’re interested, call Gangler’s Lodges, 1-800-xx-xxxxx and =tell them you want go fishing with Mike Jackson the week of Aug. =16-24. This is the fresh water pike trip of a lifetime! Nah. If you _really_ want to have a go at monster pike you should go to Sweden. Some of the best, if not _the_ best pike fishing in the world can be found among the hundreds of islands in the archipelago east of Stockholm (in the brackish coastal waters of the Baltic Sea). The current record pike is over 60 pounds, and a number of 45-pounders are caught every year….. — S.Wendel

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