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I have updated my site designed around collecting, fishing, and repair of bamboo and fiberglass fly rods. I have new articles, stories, photos, and information. The forum is a good source of information about the above topics, and there is a board to get a free appraisal as well as a board to list classic tackle that you have for sale or you wish to buy, which is also free. You can visit the site at  http://www.clarksrods.com Hope you enjoy the site. Regards Clark

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Nice site. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have updated my site designed around collecting, fishing, and repair of bamboo and fiberglass fly rods. I have new articles, stories, photos, and information. The forum is a good source of information about the above topics, and there is a board to get a free appraisal as well as a board to list classic tackle that you have for sale or you wish to buy, which is also free. You can visit the site at  http://www.clarksrods.com Hope you enjoy the site. Regards Clark

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Now *that* is a nice site! Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have updated my site, added many new graphics, information, stories, improved the forum, and added some rods to the list that are for sale or trade. If you are interested in collecting, fishing, or repairing classic fly rods, you might be interested in visiting the site. The url is http://www.clarksrods.com  Hope you enjoy the site, and if you have any suggestions for improvement, please email me.

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I have updated my site, added many new graphics, information, stories, improved the forum, and added some rods to the list that are for sale or trade. If you are interested in collecting, fishing, or repairing classic fly rods, you might be interested in visiting the site. The url is http://www.clarksrods.com  Hope you enjoy the site, and if you have any suggestions for improvement, please email me.

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Those damn ducks! Yesterday around 6:00 p.m. I finally finished getting the boat ready for guests for the OpSail parade.  Hosed off the finger piers real nice, too. The local ducks must prefer a clean head because they jumped right up and christened my neatly-Flemished dockline.

   The damn crows "christened" Stinky’s new seat – which was inside the boat, with the top up. They either went inside the boat, let one go, and said "whew! something stinks in here!" and left, or did a Luke Skywalker dive-bomb and pull-up in the side window. Lloyd Sumpter "Stinky" Fibrecraft 14 — It’s better to be at the dock, wishing you were at sea, than at sea, wishing you were at the dock.

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or you could just feed ‘em Alka-Seltzer…..   In our years of boating we’ve tried fake owls and snakes, wind socks and conical piling tops but there seems to be no permanent solution to these gulls who leave huge droppings on our clean and polished decks. Then they fly by overhead laughing at us!  There is no solution to the problem but now there is revenge.  A colleague has developed a shareware PC game called "Gullblaster".  It features rendered seashore scenes and sounds and a sky littered with the enemy seagulls.  Now you can blast them out of the sky without legal implications.   There is also a screen saver called "Picture Saver" available on Steve’s web site.  It is a "slide show" viewer that allows you to display your favorite seashore scenes or boating and fishing pictures that are saved on your PC as graphic images.  Check it out at:   Freeware and shareware screen savers, games, and utilities   If you have problems with this as a link, just paste this site into your viewer’s location window – http://webshed.webjump.com/   —   Regards,   John G.   —   NJ Coastal and ICW – Somers Point / Ocean City

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In our years of boating we’ve tried fake owls and snakes, wind socks and conical piling tops but there seems to be no permanent solution to these gulls who leave huge droppings on our clean and polished decks. Then they fly by overhead laughing at us!  There is no solution to the problem but now there is revenge.  A colleague has developed a shareware PC game called "Gullblaster".  It features rendered seashore scenes and sounds and a sky littered with the enemy seagulls.  Now you can blast them out of the sky without legal implications. There is also a screen saver called "Picture Saver" available on Steve’s web site.  It is a "slide show" viewer that allows you to display your favorite seashore scenes or boating and fishing pictures that are saved on your PC as graphic images.  Check it out at: Freeware and shareware screen savers, games, and utilities If you have problems with this as a link, just paste this site into your viewer’s location window – http://webshed.webjump.com/ — Regards, John G. — NJ Coastal and ICW – Somers Point / Ocean City

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You know they taste like chicken!!

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Those damn ducks! Yesterday around 6:00 p.m. I finally finished getting the boat ready for guests for the OpSail parade.  Hosed off the finger piers real nice, too. The local ducks must prefer a clean head because they jumped right up and christened my neatly-Flemished dockline.

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First of all, don’t use the terms *hook* &  *worm* and flyfishin’ in the same post. There’s a great little book which covers novice info, put out by, "Trailside Adventure," titled Flyfishing.  You may be familiar with the PBS series. The book covers knots, casting, types of flyfishin’, flys, ect…  Orvis also has a great beginners book, don’t recall the name presently.  Should be on their web site! Hang around and much advice will likely follow.  I’d offer to help, but I don’t fish so good, so my advice is limited to books. Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing I got a real nice rod and reel for a present but i’m not sure how put together the leader and the line and make it work.  Can somebody help me out here?  I love catching those little brookies but I have only done it on a hook and worm. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot , i just havent done a whole lot of fly fishing. Thanks for your time, Darrin

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I love catching those little brookies but I have only done it on a hook and worm. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot , …

If catching is what you love, worms are the way to go. You’ll catch far more brookies with worms than with any other method save dynamite or rotenone. For flyfishing we generally recommend _The Curtis Creek Manifesto_ by Sheridan Anderson, Frank Amato Pubns; ISBN: 0936608064 Some think there’s more to flyfishing than catching, YMMV. Good luck. — Ken Fortenberry

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Orvis also has a great beginners book, don’t recall the name presently.  Should be on their web site!

Also here http://www.crosswinds.net/~brbg/books/brbg-gen-ff.html.  This book is by Tom Rosenbauer, who wrote a couple other books I know of "Reading Troutstreams" and "Prospecting for Trout".  He’s a good writer and after you check out a basic book, you might want to look at one of these 2 next. Regards, Jeff

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If catching is what you love, worms are the way to go. You’ll catch far more brookies with worms than with any other method save dynamite or rotenone. Some think there’s more to flyfishing than catching, YMMV. Ken Fortenberry

Ahmen Brother!!! Wayne & Dianna enjoying the flyfishing. To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Some think there’s more to flyfishing than catching, YMMV.

Sometimes hiking is a pain I gotta go through to get to the fish, but then there are the times where I feel like carrying my fly rod is just good excuse for hiking up some beautiful paths and streams. Regards, Jeff

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Can somebody help me out here?

You have received some good advice here. IMHO, once you have a good book and an idea of what the sport is about, seek out a flyfishing club and ask for their help getting started. In all likelihood someone will mentor you and explain the things that books and pictures can’t. If there are no clubs nearby, approach people you meet on the stream and ask questions. If you approach them in the same manner you entered ROFF, I’m sure they will help. Keep posting your questions here as well, and keep us informed as to your progress. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Marge, I believe it is proper to identify yourself as an agent of the "suggested" business you are providing a link to. I’m surprised you just don’t use your normal isp address instead of an anonymous one. Just a friendly suggestion. Have a nice day, Walt ezflyfish.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is a pretty good place to start. http://www.bluequillangler.com/learning_flyfishing.html Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing Before you buy.

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Here is a pretty good place to start. http://www.bluequillangler.com/learning_flyfishing.html Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing

Before you buy.

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www.troutfishing.co.za & click on lessons. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing I got a real nice rod and reel for a present but i’m not sure how put together the leader and the line and make it work. Can somebody help me out here?  I love catching those little brookies but I have only done it on a hook and worm. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot , i just havent done a whole lot of fly fishing. Thanks for your time, Darrin

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Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing I got a real nice rod and reel for a present but i’m not sure how put together the leader and the line and make it work.  Can somebody help me out here?  I love catching those little brookies but I have only done it on a hook and worm. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot , i just havent done a whole lot of fly fishing. Thanks for your time, Darrin

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I got a real nice rod and reel

At least you didn’t call it a pole. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot

Good!  Sometimes that helps.  :-) http://www.virtualflyshop.com/ Has a ton of good information, from basic to advanced. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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Good luck in a fun new "sport."  hit a local library and search fir fly fishing.. hell, if i learned how that way, you can too.  see if you can find some poor sucker around where you live to help you out.. and , get a bunch of flies, go to a stream, and practice.  you will need a bunc of flies cause you can expect to lose many of them your first time out. that will end, dont panic. edwin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing I got a real nice rod and reel for a present but i’m not sure how put together the leader and the line and make it work.  Can somebody help me out here?  I love catching those little brookies but I have only done it on a hook and worm. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot , i just havent done a whole lot of fly fishing. Thanks for your time, Darrin

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Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing

Darrin,  You are going to need some supplies to get started.  I would take what you have and head to the nearest flyshop.  Tell them what is going on and they will most likely show you have to put the line together and attach a leader, tippet, ect.  Buy some stuff to let them know you are serious.  Maybe a flybox and some flies, tippet, ect.  Be ready to spend about $100 (I know I have a hard time leaving without spending at least $50 and that is being conservative). Ask about classes they offer.  Most shops offer beginner courses in casting, ect.  Some shops can be really helpful in getting a beginner started.  Not only will they obviously sell you what you need, but will give you enough advice to keep you coming back to spend more money.  Make a few friends with some people who fly fish as well.  It helps having someone around you can get some free advice from. Books and stuff are okay, but you cannot beat personal instruction, especially when it is free.  There are a lot of good websites out there with info on knots, ect.  Check them out and practice what you learn.  Practice casting on your lawn or at a park.  Sounds stupid, but lawn fishing can save you some frustration out on the water. HTH. Warren X#-[

Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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The Ranch has been sold to a private party who will be closing it up to ANY access by non-rich, non-friends-of -his. They will be open through June and the fishing is terrific.  You might even consider a guide for a half day to accellerate your success on stream.  I would recommend Kevin who books out of the Trout Fly in Mammoth. Have a great time. Bob

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The Ranch has been sold to a private party who will be closing it up to ANY access by non-rich, non-friends-of -his.

I just spoke to the Ranch, and it is NOT sold.  It is, however, in escrow. It may or may not close escrow…  The Ranch will honor ALL reservations that have made a deposit through the entire 1998 season. Regards, Wes

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Great News.  I hope it falls through and the Nature Conservancy picks it up.  I did not intend to pass along a false rumor. Bob

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Can anyone tell me if they have fished at this private ranch in the Sierras? It is above Bishop on the Owens River, and I am curious as to what flies may be effective.  Thanks.

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Can anyone tell me if they have fished at this private ranch in the

Sierras?  I am curious as to what flies may be effective.

I have caught huge browns on olive matukas and hornburgs. Talk to Bill Nichols, he’s the ranch manager at 760 648-7807.  He’s always willing to talk fishing and will tell you the straight scoop. Wes

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The is a good article on fishing in the Owens river in Americal Angler magazine May/June 1998.         Nate Liskov – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone tell me if they have fished at this private ranch in the Sierras? It is above Bishop on the Owens River, and I am curious as to what flies may be effective.  Thanks.

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(Rkru) writes: Can anyone tell me if they have fished at this private ranch in the Sierras? It is above Bishop on the Owens River, and I am curious as to what flies may be effective.  Thanks.

Sure,  taught schools there for about 6 or 7 years including 3 schools there last August. The ranch is an amazing place to fish.  Small alpine (7200 ft. elevation) spring creek with a meandering course, mostly wide open meadow.  Water is slow to medium speed throughout and supports ridiculously large numbers of fish.  It is very dry there, drink lots of water and don’t forget the sunblock. Recently saw an article claiming the Upper Owens had 11,000 fish per mile. That number came from an electro-shock survey in 1985 on the Arcularius Ranch and *does not apply* to the rest of the Upper Owens,  just the ranch section. This huge number includes fingerlings as well as monsters. The public access section of the Upper Owens fishes best in spring during the Rainbow’s spawning run out of Lake Crowley, and again in the fall when the Browns make their run upriver.  June, July and August are tough, although there does seem to be an increase in the resident population in the lower section over the last few years. Just because there are large numbers of fish at the Arc doesn’t mean they’re easy to catch.  Fish are spooky, there is almost no cover throughout most of the river, and you better get an absolute dead drift if you want to catch fish.  Walk softly, be sneaky, and carry a long rod. Many times people fishing at the ranch will tell you that you that "this is the only fly that works".   Not so.  the river is full of insects: #18 – #20 baetis all season, #10 Green Drakes in June and sometimes July, Caddis all season (size 14 to 18), little yellow stones june through September, midges all season, sporadic PMD’s May – July, ants – all season, hoppers sometimes as early as mid-July (more commomly mid-August), scuds – all season (#12 and #16 green and also gray),  crane flys oviposit in late August through mid-September.  The list goes on, but those are most of the important ones.  I had three students, catch 5 fish on five different flys one day there.  They used: #18 PT nymph, #12 olive flashback scud, #20 midge pupa,  #16 olive elk hair caddis, and a #10 Hopper. The crane flys in September are a real kick.  They drag their legs behind them as they oviposit on the water and the trout really bust them.  The trout don’t successfully catch many of them, but not for lack of trying.  Fun to see a fish bust the surface three or four times trying to catch one of them.   You need to skate your imitation across the surface to imitate them and this is about the only time you can catch fish without a dead drift.  Last couple of hours of light is usually the best time for this. Some of the largest fish each year are also taken in low light conditions (early morning, late evening, or just overcast all day) with large streamers. Won’t catch as many fish with streamers, but there are some monsters and many of the really big browns don’t even become active until just before dark. There was huge amount of water that blasted through the Arc a couple of years ago and it scoured the river bottom out and changed a number of the holes.  The Bedsprings Hole which used to be 6 feet deep is now gravelled over.  I think the river is in better shape because of it. Usually the big trout are well hidden and you have to fish the right water to get them. Last year In August there were a lot of very large fish in pretty shallow water.  Found a number of 18 to 20" bows and browns in bathtub or washtub sized depressions near shore last year.  Unusual to find the big trout exposed like that.  Still tough to catch and easily spooked, but you could sight-fish to them. Although Dotty and Ken are no longer hosting the ranch, Bill Nichols, who is now the manager, is extremely knowledgable and helpful.  Don’t hesitate to ask him for tips and pointers if what you’re doing doesn’t work.  He’ll give it to you straight. Enjoy your trip, it’s a great (though challenging) place to fish.                                            Hope this helps,                                                     Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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We’re planning a trip to St. Barth’s in May and wondered about the fly fishing possibilities.  Any suggestions, anyone?

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whenever i travelled to the caribbean i would bring along the spinning gear (now into flyfishing)…. i caught baby tarpon on st.maarten and ventured over to st.barts….i didnt have too much luck there but heard from some people there that there are tarpon there at the right time of year…whenever that is…so i assume the other normal fishing will apply….ie. barracuda and bonefish etc…i think it would be worth the effort….let me know how you do ok   frank in brrrboston

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In leader formulas do the lengths of the sections that are reccomended include the extra length needed to tie the connecting knots or are they reccomending that that length be the finished/after knot length.  Also, nail knot, surgeon’s, or blood knots? Bob

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In leader formulas do the lengths of the sections that are reccomended include the extra length needed to tie the connecting knots or are they reccomending that that length be the finished/after knot length.  Also, nail knot, surgeon’s, or blood knots?

I have always assumed that the formulae refer to the finished length of the sections.  I allow about 1 1/2" for the knots, and this seems to work fine.  The nail knot is used to attach the leader butt to the tip of the flyline.  I use the blood knot, except for the tippet (last) knot, where I use the surgeon’s knot (three-turn version — I think the British call this a water knot.)  FWIW, my own experiments show that the surgeon’s knot, if perfectly tied, is stronger than the blood knot, but leaders tied with blood knots turn over better.  Since most breaks occur at the fly or the tippet knot, I believe that my system is a good compromise.  I have found that blood knots cinch up best when you tie them with one less turn of the heavier material than the lighter.  With the Maxima I use, 4/5 turns on the heavy butt sections and 5/6 turns on the lighter material seems to work well.  Heavy material requires a jerk or tug to properly tighten; the other knots should be pulled gently.  I am sure that I learned much of this from books or magazines, but my old brain can’t cite references.  Hope this helps.  –Roger

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In leader formulas do the lengths of the sections that are reccomended include the extra length needed to tie the connecting knots or are they reccomending that that length be the finished/after knot length.  Also, nail knot, surgeon’s, or blood knots?

Most formula’s I’ve seen are finished length. I usually add about six inches for a knot on each end. You could probably use less, but I find it much less frustrating if I have plenty of material to hold onto when tightening my knots. As for knots, I usually use blood knots on the thicker sections. On the smaller diameter material I do something a little different. I tie a nail knot with the smaller material, but I don’t tighten it completely. I then take the larger diameter material and tie a nail knot with it on the smaller material. I now have two knots that will snug together when I pull on the opposite ends of the material. (I’m not sure if that description makes much sense, but it’s the best I can do!). This technique is admittedly a pain in the ass, but I find  it to be the strongest connection there is. When tied this way, I have NEVER broken a tippet off right at the knot. Surgeon’s or blood knots break at the knot quite often in my experience. Typically, I use this technique when I make up my leaders at home. If I am tying or repairing a leader on the river, I usually use the surgeon’s knot to save time. Tim — To reply by e-mail, remove "sick of spam" from my return address!

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In leader formulas do the lengths of the sections that are reccomended include the extra length needed to tie the connecting knots or are they reccomending that that length be the finished/after knot length.  Also, nail knot, surgeon’s, or blood knots? Bob

I would think most formulas are finished lengths. You will have to give yourself what extra length it will take you to tie the knots. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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As for knots, I usually use blood knots on the thicker sections. On the smaller diameter material I do something a little different. I tie a nail knot with the smaller material, but I don’t tighten it completely. I then take the larger diameter material and tie a nail knot with it on the smaller material. I now have two knots that will snug together when I pull on the opposite ends of the material. (I’m not sure if that description makes much sense, but it’s the best I can do!). This technique is admittedly a pain in the ass, but I find  it to be the strongest connection there is. When tied this way, I have NEVER broken a tippet off right at the knot. Surgeon’s or blood knots break at the knot quite often in my experience.

I also use the double nail knot for my leaders…mainly because I never learned to tie a proper bloodknot and the double nail is easy with a knot-tying tool (they almost all have instructions on how to tie the double nail). I’ve never heard anyone talk about which is stronger, and assumed it was the bloodknot since that’s what everyone recommends. Typically, I use this technique when I make up my leaders at home. If I am tying or repairing a leader on the river, I usually use the surgeon’s knot to save time.

Same here. Ric

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In leader formulas do the lengths of the sections that are reccomended include the extra length needed to tie the connecting knots or are they reccomending that that length be the finished/after knot length.  Also, nail knot, surgeon’s, or blood knots?

Hi Bob, In leader formulas the length is the finished length.  Don’t get too anal about it though, if you’re off by an inch or so it will still work.  The idea in the tapering sections is to smoothly transmit the power from the fly line down through the leader to the tippet without hinging.  You just need enough line in each section to make that transition.  Try to keep the proportions close as that is the most important (proportion of butt section to tapering section to tippet section) and has the most affect on the performance of the leader. I like to use the nail knot to attach my leader to the fly line (smallest, smoothest connection), the blood knot for the knots in the butt and tapering section (smallest, smoothest connection again), and either the double surgeon’s knot or the Orvis tippet knot for the tippet (extra bulk doesn’t matter here – strength does). When using the blood knot, use only 3 to a maximum or 4 turns in the butt section, 5 turns in the tapering section, and, if you insist on using the blood knot with your tippets, 6 turns with 6X and 7 turns with 7X.  The more turns you use, the more secure the knot is *IF* you can seat it correctly and completely.  Smaller material uses more turns, thicker material demands fewer turns.   A five turn blood knot is almost impossible to seat well in .021" material and will easily slip after soaking in the water for a few minutes if not totally seated.  I typically use a 3 turn blood knot in the butt section and never have it fail. Beware of using other knots in the heavy part of your leader.  The blood knot is the smallest knot you can tie in monofilament, and the easiest to move through the guides.  A double surgeon’s knot is twice as bulky, and although very slightly stronger than a blood knot, also tends to get caught in the corners of the snake guides when that big fish makes one final lunge.  This results in broken-off fish, zippered-off line guides, broken rod as it gets stuck in the tip-top, or all of the above.  Not a good choice in the heavy section of the leader.  The extra bulk is no big deal in the fine part of the leader because it is just a little bump in the line with little chance of moving through the line guides let alone getting stuck in them.                                           Hope this helps,                                                     Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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I also use the double nail knot for my leaders…mainly because I never learned to tie a proper bloodknot and the double nail is easy with a knot-tying tool (they almost all have instructions on how to tie the double nail). I’ve never heard anyone talk about which is stronger, and assumed it was the bloodknot since that’s what everyone recommends.

I started using the double nail knot because it is so similar to a knot that I used many years ago when I was a rock climber. The climbing knot was considered one of the strongest because it relies on the force of the knots opposing each other rather than simply on tightening itself under a load. I don’t know which one is actually stronger, but I do know that I have never broken at the knot with the double nail, but I have with the blood knot. In all honesty though, I’ve used te blood knot longer than the double nail so it just may be a matter of time. I’m sticking with the double nail for now. Tim — To reply by e-mail, remove "sick of spam" from my return address!

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Dan Gracia, Your explanations of casting and rod flex finally tell me what have caused my problems going back and forth between different rods.   What is the Orvis tippet knot?  If its for connecting tippet to leader rather than tippet to hook is there a picture on the web or in a book?                                                  Doug Campbell

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Dan Gracia, Your explanations of casting and rod flex finally tell me what have caused my problems going back and forth between different rods.   What is the Orvis tippet knot?  If its for connecting tippet to leader rather than tippet to hook is there a picture on the web or in a book?                                               Doug Campbell

Hi Doug, There is a description of it in the Waterproof Knot Booklet that Orvis sells for around $5.  It’s a slight variation of the Orvis knot to tie on the fly. Basically a figure 8 knot with two turns through the  second loop.  I’ll see if I can scan a copy of it and e-mail it to you.  If you ever get an Orvis knotless leader and send in that little blue card,  they’ll send you a plastic wallet size card with the tippet to hook knot on one side and the leader to tippet knot on the other – no charge.                                  Good Fishing,                                         Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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  I am from the Hartford ,CT. area and do most of my fishing either on the CT./RI. line out of the Pawcatuck River where I launch my boat and fish the Watch Hill,RI. area., or near the mouth of the CT. River in Old Saybrook,CT. where I have another residence to go to but I would like some pointers on where to go (with or without  the  boat) on the western Sound because of the late season world class Striper fishery to be found there. My preference is fly fishing but I also do some three waying,trolling and bait drifting.               Thanks;                                                 Glen

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I grew up fishing the Greenwich shoreline, which offers excellent casting opportunities.  The stretch from the mouth of the Mianus River, including Goose, Bluff and Diving Islands, all the way to Greenwich harbor is particularly "prime."  Best tide:  Half tide falling.  Second choice: Half tide rising.  A trout fisherman would feel quite at home in the river mouth/island areas, as striped bass position themselves behind boulders, islands, points, etc. and wait for bait to be swept toward them by the current (tide).  There is a large fly fishing community in this area. Greenwich Cove area also is good–usually for smaller fish.  Here, it is a sod bank/quiet water environment.  Best tide:  3 hours either side of high.

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Can anyone out there tell me the dates etc. of the Southfield Michigan Fly Fishing Show,  Help, Help. David E. Kerridge

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Dave, The show will be held on sta&sun March 16&17 in Southfield, Mi.   See you there! tight lines DWH

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Dave, Second post, my computer died while sending the first post. Here it is again: The Southfied show will be March 16 & 17 thght lines Dave

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Howdy, I’m going to be in Salt Lake City the week of March 18th for Brainshare. I’m staying over for the weekend   following, and I’d like to fish a little. I’ll be able to take along a travel rod, but I won’t be able to   take waders. I’d appreciate any recommendations for spots in the area where I can fish from the bank. What   kind of flies should I use? How much is a one day (or two, or whatever they have) non-resident permit? Any   good shops there where I could pick up some flies? Thanks a bunch, Jay Jay Freeman WT9S                            Life Member, NRA

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        Jay,         First off you’re going to love Brainshare.  Novell does a really nice job with the show.  Many of my friends are in charge of it so I am a little bias. As far as fishing is concerned I would suggest many of the unheard of streams around the valley.  Many people go to the Provo or the Weber, both of those two rivers have very nice Browns, but unfortunately the whole rest of SLC knows this too.  Soooo if you like fishing shoulder to shoulder then go to the Provo. I would be glad to share a little of my secrets with you.  That is if you like to have 20 to 25 fish days. "Fish On!" Stacy Hale

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Try the Provo or the Green.  Try Steve Schmidt at Western Rivers for Provo information and guides – 801-521-6424.  For the Green, I call Denny Breer at Trout Creek – 801-889-3735.  

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Jay, There is not that much good fly fishing within a short drive of Salt Lake City, particulary in March.  The best bet is the Provo River, which is about a 45 min drive south on I 15, exit 275 just before you get to Provo.  Fishing can be tremendous on this river.  It is loaded with brown trout.  Many times the fishing varies with the flow level of the river, but in March the river should be fishable.  However, I’m not sure how much success you would have fishing from the shore.  To get to some of the productive holes and runs you have to wade and there are not that many clear bank areas along the river that allow you to easily toss your fly into good water.  Even if you don’t wade it’s worth the time to go down anyway.  Provo canyon is pretty.  As for flies I would recommend small nymphs, size 16 and up.  Keep the flies simple, just some pink or lite grey yarn wrapped around a hook will produce on this river.  Hare’s ears are good, brassies, pheasant tail, scuds, and serendipidities are very productive.  Be sure to weigth the nympth enough to get it to the bottom.  You’ll only occassionally see fish rise in this river.  As for a license.   I don’t remember what a non-resident day pass costs.  But I do know that Utah is not aggressive in ensuring people have fishing licenses.  For more info on where to fish contact Anglers Inn in Salt Lake or Western Rivers Fly Shop in Salt Lake.  I hope you have fun.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy, I’m going to be in Salt Lake City the week of March 18th for Brainshare. I’m staying over for the weekend following, and I’d like to fish a little. I’ll be able to take along a travel rod, but I won’t be able to take waders. I’d appreciate any recommendations for spots in the area where I can fish from the bank. What kind of flies should I use? How much is a one day (or two, or whatever they have) non-resident permit? Any good shops there where I could pick up some flies? Thanks a bunch, Jay Jay Freeman WT9S                            Life Member, NRA

– Jay,   I work in a fly shop here in Provo and fish the Provo two to three times a week and its not too shabby.  Your time frame should put you in excellent shape for the spring baetis hatch.  A one day none resident liscence is $5 or $15 for three days.  The Provo is also good for non-waders in a lot of spots.  Its probalbly one of my favorite rivers to fish.  This weekend I picked up a lot of nice fish with midges on top.  Nothing beats dry fly action in the winter.  Check out my fly page for the latest info when you come.  Our shop is called Great Basin Fly and is located at 120 W Center ST in Provo.  We can fix you up with some good flies and info. Curtis Fry Fry’s Utah Fly Fishing Page http://www.et.byu.edu/~fryc

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Don’t forget the Bone’s on the flats of Great Salt lake…I hear it’s excellent that time of year with large schools of hungry bonefish finin’ just off shore!

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Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group?

As soon as I get off my butt and get my web page finished, you’ll have a place to view nice pictures of flys, including the pattern recipe. Steve

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Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group?

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I would love to see a Fly Tying Newsgroup.  I tie about 6000 flies per year and enjoy learning and sharing the skills and lore with others. I hope that it comes together. AuSable1

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Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group?

I started a RFD (Request For Discussion) awhile back using the appropriate channels.  In order to create a new newsgroup there is a standard procedure which needs to be followed which includes a discussion period.  I posted the initial article which should have prompted the discussion but there wasn’t a single response.  I suppose theoretically the discussion period is over and I could post a CFV (Call For Votes).  In order for the group to pass it requires 100 more yes votes then no votes.   — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group?

Recipes?..like chocolate chip nymphs? Oatmeal and rasin caddis?…I know, Tuna-streamer cassarole…I know you meant PATTERNS, but my mind is temporarily warped!!!! I guess I smoked too much dope at the PETA rally. (Hee Hee…)….NEVER MIND!!!    

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Sorry I missed the original post.  I hope you go ahead with the CFV – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group? I started a RFD (Request For Discussion) awhile back using the appropriate channels.  In order to create a new newsgroup there is a standard procedure which needs to be followed which includes a discussion period.  I posted the initial article which should have prompted the discussion but there wasn’t a single response.  I suppose theoretically the discussion period is over and I could post a CFV (Call For Votes).  In order for the group to pass it requires 100 more yes votes then no votes.   — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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call for the vote. — Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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I would love to see a Fly Tying Newsgroup.  I tie about 6000 flies per year and enjoy learning and sharing the skills and lore with others. I hope that it comes together. AuSable1

I agree with the tying and sharing but disagree with a new newsgroup about fly tying. I think this is absolutely the right newsgroup (I am talking about the flyfishing newsgr.!) for the discussion of our tying problems or to post tips. How far should we go- a separate newsgroup saltwater and freshwater fly tying, as special group for tying leaders, another newsgroup about tying knots, maybe divided in subgroups how to tie on saltwater or freshwater flies! I think this is getting way to far! IMO this newsgroup should promote our skills and enhance our joy at the water, not waste our time switching between newsgroup. If finding the right artikles is an issue, we might think about abbreviations in fron of the subject line which marks special topics, like ft=freshwater tying, st=saltwater tying, e=equipment, c=casting etc… Only if you get the full range of information, you will get to be an really proficient flyfisher/tyer.     My opinion, sorry folks                     cheers,    Thomas

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I’m in for this one too.  Let me know if I can help.  I think I saw a rod building newsgroup somewhere, if they can pull that off fly tying should certainly fly. Catch and Release Dave Wood Ravenna OH

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Sounds good to me, count me in

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Me too Oliver Inverness-shire;  Scotland "Lead me not into temptation – I can do it myself"

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John Count me in, sounds great and about time. Dave

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Would be interested if it includes salt water flies.

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I think it would be a great idea as this newsgroup is getting almost too big. It would certainly facilitate finding articles of interest for us tying fools. Need something to help us hang on until April…Joel

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I would love to see a Fly Tying Newsgroup.  I tie about 6000 flies per year and enjoy learning and sharing the skills and lore with others. I hope that it comes together. AuSable1

Set it up and see if there is any response.

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I would also like to see a newsgroup devoted to Fly Tying. Cheers, Dave.

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Count my vote as YES!!!

        Tom Rude

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group? I started a RFD (Request For Discussion) awhile back using the appropriate channels.  In order to create a new newsgroup there is a standard procedure which needs to be followed which includes a discussion period.  I posted the initial article which should have prompted the discussion but there wasn’t a single response.  I suppose theoretically the discussion period is over and I could post a CFV (Call For Votes).  In order for the group to pass it requires 100 more yes votes then no votes.   — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

I would certainly vote for a fly tying newsgroup. It sounds like a great idea.   —Catch & Release— To catch a fish is human,     To release it is divine!

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Absolutely one of the best ideas posted in this newsgroup! I’d vote you for president if I could (luckily I’m in Finland BR, Eki

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Gets My Vote. Count me in

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Ya think this will fly? Hope it dose dwh

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group? I started a RFD (Request For Discussion) awhile back using the appropriate channels.  In order to create a new newsgroup there is a standard procedure which needs to be followed which includes a discussion period.  I posted the initial article which should have prompted the discussion but there wasn’t a single response.  I suppose theoretically the discussion period is over and I could post a CFV (Call For Votes).  In order for the group to pass it requires 100 more yes votes then no votes.   — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group?

I say no.  Fly fishing and fly tying are so closely allied that it makes sense to me to keep them in the same group.  It is easier for me to check out the fishing and the tying posts at the same time. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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Count my vote as YES!!! Fly Fisher/ Homebrewer

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Count my vote as YES!!!

I received several other "votes" via email.  In order to create a new newsgroup that procedure dictates that votes do not count until a CFV (Call For Votes) has been posted to news.groups, and then only after the RFD (Request For Discussion) has taken place. Even then, votes are only counted which have been sent *via email* to a specific address used to count them.   I will check out if I can issue the CFV and if so the voting period and where to send your votes will be announced. It does no good to announce your votes over Usenet. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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