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Michael: I know I may be venturing into dangerous territory with this next question, because I’m a catch & release practitioner about 92% of the time. But, are any of these fish edible? I seem to recall reading something about a toxin in bonefish caught in that part of the world. Doug

Bonefish and tarpon are no good for the table at all: absolutely stuffed with small bones.  That’s probably why there seem to be more of these two species around than the more edible fish.  Jack are pretty tasty indeed and so long as you only eat the smaller ones <4lbs you won’t get the cigatera (spelling??) poisoning.  Apparently the larger fish have more toxin accumulated in their flesh and are best to be avoided.  A really nice fish to eat is any snapper:  the mangroves will be full of them upto 5lbs or so. Baracuda are also a good eating fish,  but again only eat the smaller ones <8lbs to avoid the cigatera poison risk.  The toxins originate in some algae or other that the little reef fish eat.  The toxins don’t affect the fish, but gets accumulated in fish flesh.  When a baracuda eats the flesh of fish that have been eating the algae, the toxins are transferred to the baracuda. The toxins have a fairly nasty effect on humans that can last for years, so it is best to avoid eating big reef predator fish in these tropical waters. Regards, Michael.

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Michael: Thanks for the info! Doug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Michael: I know I may be venturing into dangerous territory with this next question, because I’m a catch & release practitioner about 92% of the time. But, are any of these fish edible? I seem to recall reading something about a toxin in bonefish caught in that part of the world. Doug Bonefish and tarpon are no good for the table at all: absolutely stuffed with small bones.  That’s probably why there seem to be more of these two species around than the more edible fish.  Jack are pretty tasty indeed and so long as you only eat the smaller ones <4lbs you won’t get the cigatera (spelling??) poisoning.  Apparently the larger fish have more toxin accumulated in their flesh and are best to be avoided.  A really nice fish to eat is any snapper:  the mangroves will be full of them upto 5lbs or so. Baracuda are also a good eating fish,  but again only eat the smaller ones <8lbs to avoid the cigatera poison risk.  The toxins originate in some algae or other that the little reef fish eat.  The toxins don’t affect the fish, but gets accumulated in fish flesh.  When a baracuda eats the flesh of fish that have been eating the algae, the toxins are transferred to the baracuda. The toxins have a fairly nasty effect on humans that can last for years, so it is best to avoid eating big reef predator fish in these tropical waters. Regards, Michael.

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Michael: I know I may be venturing into dangerous territory with this next question, because I’m a catch & release practitioner about 92% of the time. But, are any of these fish edible? I seem to recall reading something about a toxin in bonefish caught in that part of the world. Doug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In late July, I’ll be visiting friends in Puerto Rico (southwest part of the island), and I’m curious whether anyone here has done any beach/jetty fishing there. What kinds & sizes of fish might I expect to find? I need this info so I can evaluate whether my existing equipment will be appropriate, or whether it’s time to invest in something different (always a pleasurable idea!). Doug if anything there are probably going to be some jacks (bar, horse-eye & yellow) lurking around beaches & jetties.  These can be had on 7 weights at a minimum, although if you have anything heavier than this (10 weight is preferred as there may be small tarpon ~  <60lb  around), then take that in preference to the no. 7.  For catching  jack,  you will need at least 150 yards of backing on your reel, preferably more, and I recommend 30lb gel spun braid for backing.  Jacks are absolutely excellent fun on a fly rod, and a 10lb fish will be a severe opponent:  don’t let them get snagged up in a coral head, or else you’ll lose some line and possibly damage your flyline too.  Flies are more or less steamers (deceivers and so on) 2" – 4" in length, and you need to be able to fish as deep as 15 feet or so at times, so be sure to have an outfit that can cover surface waters to 15 feet as appropriate. Simply fishing for jacks is enough fun for me in tropical waters, though you can suppliment the jack with occasional forays into the bonefish flats or tarpon mangroves for variety.  I take a 4 piece 9 foot 10 weight rod with a big 10/11 reel with me to tropical waters.  I also have an 8 weight 9′ 4 piecer as a back-up / bonefish special. For leaders I simply use a 6 foot length of 15 lb mono for the jacks on the surface, and tapered leader (8lb tippet) for bonefish,  and a reverse tapered leader  for the tarpon (i.e. 5 ft  20lb leader butt section and 1 foot 60lb shock tippet.  Tarpon have very abrasive jaws (no teeth as such, but very finely serrated) that can seriously chafe away at the tippet. For fishing deeper down the choices are a sinking polyleader attached to your regular floater, a commercial sink tip, or a variable tip line / shooting head assembly  (though I have not yet tried this, I like this concept and will be aiming to have one reel that is comprised of a big reel that also has a lot of backing and a decent drag, and upon which I have a length of running line terminating in a loop.  I wish to have a number of shooting heads that singularly link up to this loop so that I can have one reel that will fulfil a great number of roles). Flies vary from 1 to 2/0 in hook size.  It is sensible to be sure to have a pair of polarising sunglasses so that you can see into the water better; with these you can study where the fish are and watch how they behave when they see your fly being presented to them. Have fun,  and tightlines, Michael.

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In late July, I’ll be visiting friends in Puerto Rico (southwest part of the island), and I’m curious whether anyone here has done any beach/jetty fishing there. What kinds & sizes of fish might I expect to find? I need this info so I can evaluate whether my existing equipment will be appropriate, or whether it’s time to invest in something different (always a pleasurable idea!). Doug

if anything there are probably going to be some jacks (bar, horse-eye & yellow) lurking around beaches & jetties.  These can be had on 7 weights at a minimum, although if you have anything heavier than this (10 weight is preferred as there may be small tarpon ~  <60lb  around), then take that in preference to the no. 7.  For catching  jack,  you will need at least 150 yards of backing on your reel, preferably more, and I recommend 30lb gel spun braid for backing.  Jacks are absolutely excellent fun on a fly rod, and a 10lb fish will be a severe opponent:  don’t let them get snagged up in a coral head, or else you’ll lose some line and possibly damage your flyline too.  Flies are more or less steamers (deceivers and so on) 2" – 4" in length, and you need to be able to fish as deep as 15 feet or so at times, so be sure to have an outfit that can cover surface waters to 15 feet as appropriate. Simply fishing for jacks is enough fun for me in tropical waters, though you can suppliment the jack with occasional forays into the bonefish flats or tarpon mangroves for variety.  I take a 4 piece 9 foot 10 weight rod with a big 10/11 reel with me to tropical waters.  I also have an 8 weight 9′ 4 piecer as a back-up / bonefish special. For leaders I simply use a 6 foot length of 15 lb mono for the jacks on the surface, and tapered leader (8lb tippet) for bonefish,  and a reverse tapered leader  for the tarpon (i.e. 5 ft  20lb leader butt section and 1 foot 60lb shock tippet.  Tarpon have very abrasive jaws (no teeth as such, but very finely serrated) that can seriously chafe away at the tippet. For fishing deeper down the choices are a sinking polyleader attached to your regular floater, a commercial sink tip, or a variable tip line / shooting head assembly  (though I have not yet tried this, I like this concept and will be aiming to have one reel that is comprised of a big reel that also has a lot of backing and a decent drag, and upon which I have a length of running line terminating in a loop.  I wish to have a number of shooting heads that singularly link up to this loop so that I can have one reel that will fulfil a great number of roles). Flies vary from 1 to 2/0 in hook size.  It is sensible to be sure to have a pair of polarising sunglasses so that you can see into the water better; with these you can study where the fish are and watch how they behave when they see your fly being presented to them. Have fun,  and tightlines, Michael.

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In late July, I’ll be visiting friends in Puerto Rico (southwest part of the island), and I’m curious whether anyone here has done any beach/jetty fishing there. What kinds & sizes of fish might I expect to find? I need this info so I can evaluate whether my existing equipment will be appropriate, or whether it’s time to invest in something different (always a pleasurable idea!). Doug

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Actually, flyrods are more since that was quoted correctly.  Secondary part costs have increased dramatically since the Clinton defascoes and Greenspan screw ups with the economy.

So until you give me a new figure let’s work with a  100% increase on costs over the past four years (although I can’t beleive it should be this high). That still implies a helathy profit of several 100%. You have not used the correct price at all.  Most of the fly rods are around $500 – $700.  

Check your own website. I clearly stated I was using the MSRP which is quoted at $1620 to $3000. This is the price you expect a retailer to charge for your rods. or did you post a hugely inflated MSRP in order to make your rods appear to be worth more tahn they really are. Surely that would be unethical… George Gehrke "bamboosan" http://www.gink.com George Gehrke "lowest priced bamboo fly rods regardless"

And this is wrong too. Your MSRPs for your product line rods are higher (and in some cases considerably higher) than the price of most handmade rods which, as you have admitted yourself in the past, have higher quality.

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The Cortland "444 Clear Camo" is the most popular here in California, USA, planet earth.

For those in the know (such as my cat) the inter-galactic postal service now requires both "Galaxy" AND "ZIP + AZ + RA" for speedy delivery… K

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  Where the fuck are those guys in white coats when you need them? Playing Poker over at Wayne Harrison’s house:  Joker’s Wild? Glad to see you’re not brain dead yet by responding to my troll of vulgarity. My apologies for the civilized language. Mr.G. "back to regular casting"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually, flyrods are more since that was quoted correctly.  Secondary  part costs have increased dramatically since the Clinton defascoes and  Greenspan screw ups with the economy. So until you give me a new figure let’s work with a  100% increase on costs over the past four years (although I can’t beleive it should be this high). That still implies a helathy profit of several 100%. You have not used the correct price at all.  Most of the fly rods are  around $500 – $700. Check your own website. I clearly stated I was using the MSRP which is quoted at $1620 to $3000. This is the price you expect a retailer to charge for your rods. or did you post a hugely inflated MSRP in order to make your rods appear to be worth more tahn they really are. Surely that would be unethical… Whoa, right here ass hole.  You don’t know for jack shit the quality of our fly rods.  Admit it!  Where is your source of knowledge derived from?? Other assholes?

You should learn to read and comprehend and control your infamous short-temper. You are supposed to be a mature adult, so why not start acting like one. I did not say your rods are of bad quality. I asked if they were really worth $1600 to $3000, which are prices commanded by top quality, hand made rods, constructed by gentlemen with many years of craftmanship behind them. You have often commneted yourself that your rods are of porduction line quality, and, while they may or may not be the best production line rods in the world, I find it hard to believe they are of the same quality level as the handmade rods, and therefore worth an equivalent amount. So, I ask you, would you put your rod with a MSRP of $3000 (note, I said MSRP, not "special online price") up against a hand-made rod charged at $3000? Would you gurantee your rod to be of the same quality and standard as that handmade rod? I’ll tell you what.  I dare you, if you wish to see a beautiful bamboo to order one and in your case you will pay in advance for a Bastard for a bastard.  I will defy you to  be able to find fault with it compared to any other bamboo fly rod in the world. Okay, you chicken shit son of a bitch.  What say you? George Gehrke bamboosan

I have no wish whatsoever to do business with a man who uses such language and shows such obvious contempt for his "customers". I am very choosy about who I give my money to. Sorry.

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Some people wonder why the hell little bottles of Floatant sell for $20 NZ here…

Is there money to be made smuggling Albolene to NZ? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Some people wonder why the hell little bottles of Floatant sell for $20 NZ here… Clark

You can always order factory direct as ours don’t sell for that there Clark. Even the cost of postage would be cheaper than what it takes you to drive to the store. Your Pal, George

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Some people wonder why the hell little bottles of Floatant sell for $20 NZ here… Clark

Um, isn’t that about 8.00USD?  Granted, more expensive than in the US, but considering the costs involved versus the market, that doesn’t, on the face of it, sound so outrageous.  Of course, if it’s Ginkle’s Gunk, I can see the basis for your confusion… TC, R

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Rusty?  I did an extensive article with drawings on how fly lines are made. The engineering has been paid for long ago and that deals with line tapers mainly.  What does change are coatings and finishes.  That is all. The process is so simple as to boggle the mind and the cost of making a fly line is indeed one of the lowest in American Manufacturing in the industry. This is why one can readily appreciate HOW a company like Cortland can afford full page ads in magazines.  The profit margin is so vast as to be literally obnoxious and unfair.  Just like Frog Butt, the fly fishermen of America are NOT getting a square or honest deal when it comes to fly lines. No joke.  Fly lines from all the manufacturers are over priced.  I mean, WAY over priced! Consider this.  A Cortland 333 or 444 could be bought in Wal-Mart here in Lewiston Idaho just a week ago and  for several years for the low, Low, LOW price of only $11.57.  Would you like to hear the rest of the story? The new (and I wonder about this term as a hype bite) 555 Cortland costs no more to make than any other Cortland Fly Line.  If they cost more, okay; I’ll let you increase that factor about what this article is worth.  How about .02 Cents? George Gehrke Each of these fly lines all cast the same, believe it or not.  It’s nothing to get excited about.  Fly lines are expendable and as far as I’m concerned, the 555 should sell for LESS THAN Twenty dollars per line. You know everyone?  I keep saying this time and time again.  The packaging costs more than what it takes to make a fly line and the labor required is not much at all, but for some odd reason this fact just doesn’t soak in. Fly line companies need to be boycotted if you want to get them back into the honesty game, like it or not.  Thing is, it’s all I mainly fish with is Cortland Fly Lines but I use only the fairly priced ones and always will. George Gehrke "Inside Trade Secrets"

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Yep! Clark

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Yep basically but my point was, even at $8.00 US, for what it is some people just are not in a position to be bitching about how Cortland prices its lines, apart from the obvious factors already pointed out about the engineering and development and manufacture of new lines. Cortland didn’t just find a material used to keep ladies knickers up and repackage it as an expensive fly line. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some people wonder why the hell little bottles of Floatant sell for $20 NZ here… Clark Um, isn’t that about 8.00USD?  Granted, more expensive than in the US, but considering the costs involved versus the market, that doesn’t, on the face of it, sound so outrageous.  Of course, if it’s Ginkle’s Gunk, I can see the basis for your confusion… TC, R

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Yep basically but my point was, even at $8.00 US, for what it is some people just are not in a position to be bitching about how Cortland prices its lines, apart from the obvious factors already pointed out about the engineering and development and manufacture of new lines. Cortland didn’t just find a material used to keep ladies knickers up and repackage it as an expensive fly line.

My article on how easy it is to put some PVC plastic on a string apart from engineering which has been done years ago and paid for ten thousand times over, machinery that hasn’t changed in fifty years in making the web core and the automated ejection dies that cost a dime a dozen, is long ago paid for. It is just the change of plastic advances.  Cortland or S.Anglers all buy the plastics by the thousand pound box lots and it’s cheap.  The cost of the plastic coating the fly line you’re using today is about a 1/20th of a cent worth, if that. I know what a fair price for a fly line is and you don’t Clark.  I’m telling you that you can make it sound extravagant but it isn’t.  The art work on a fly line box is more extravagant than the line, believe that.  My point is simple.  Fly lines are over priced. George Gehrke The exchange rate where you are is indeed just numbers.  You have the same buying power and that is not America’s fault now, is it?  How much money is good wages per hour there?  A hundred dollars an hour or three dollars an hour?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rusty?  I did an extensive article with drawings on how fly lines are made. The engineering has been paid for long ago and that deals with line tapers mainly.  What does change are coatings and finishes.  That is all. The process is so simple as to boggle the mind and the cost of making a fly line is indeed one of the lowest in American Manufacturing in the industry. This is why one can readily appreciate HOW a company like Cortland can afford full page ads in magazines.  The profit margin is so vast as to be literally obnoxious and unfair.  Just like Frog Butt, the fly fishermen of America are NOT getting a square or honest deal when it comes to fly lines. No joke.  Fly lines from all the manufacturers are over priced.  I mean, WAY over priced! Consider this.  A Cortland 333 or 444 could be bought in Wal-Mart here in Lewiston Idaho just a week ago and  for several years for the low, Low, LOW price of only $11.57.  Would you like to hear the rest of the story? The new (and I wonder about this term as a hype bite) 555 Cortland costs no more to make than any other Cortland Fly Line.  If they cost more, okay; I’ll let you increase that factor about what this article is worth.  How about .02 Cents? George Gehrke Each of these fly lines all cast the same, believe it or not.  It’s nothing to get excited about.  Fly lines are expendable and as far as I’m concerned, the 555 should sell for LESS THAN Twenty dollars per line. You know everyone?  I keep saying this time and time again.  The packaging costs more than what it takes to make a fly line and the labor required is not much at all, but for some odd reason this fact just doesn’t soak in. Fly line companies need to be boycotted if you want to get them back into the honesty game, like it or not.  Thing is, it’s all I mainly fish with is Cortland Fly Lines but I use only the fairly priced ones and always will. George Gehrke "Inside Trade Secrets"

"I assure everyone here, you can build the finest bamboo fly rod in the world for less then $50 – $65 dollars. " George Gehrke, 31 December 1998 Quoted _retail price_ on www.gink.com  = $1620 Profit = 1620 – 80  = $1540  (allowing for some inflation!) % Profit = almost 2000 %.  That’s quite some markup! Note: This is not the "special offer if you buy via the internet price", but the manufacturer’s suggested retail price for a Blonde model. If you want a Black Raven at MDRP of $3000, the markup is closer to 3650 %. It is up to the reader to decide whether these are the "finest bamboo" in the world. What should we think about such high markups? "The more commercial you become the lower the manufacturing costs UP to a CERTAIN point. Then things average out to around $49.95 each. THAT rod is now being sold for $2500! Which is such a con job as to require all of us to march upon Orvis and other Overpricing Fly Rod Manufacturers who are "Over-Charging" and we should slap them silly. " George Gehrke,  31 December 1998 What can we do but agree with this sage advice. The line forms on my right…

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"Rapscallion"   YOU!  You chickenshit sonofabitch, who doesn’t have the balls to present your own real name dares to challenge me, the God and Ruler of Roff?  I’m George Gehrke, the one and only.  Who are you.  Nothing? George Gehrke "a somebody" And proud of it.

Where the fuck are those guys in white coats when you need them?

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"Rapscallion"   YOU!  You chickenshit sonofabitch, who doesn’t have the balls to present your own real name dares to challenge me, the God and Ruler of Roff?  I’m George Gehrke, the one and only.  Who are you.  Nothing? George Gehrke "a somebody" And proud of it.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually, flyrods are more since that was quoted correctly.  Secondary part costs have increased dramatically since the Clinton defascoes and Greenspan screw ups with the economy. So until you give me a new figure let’s work with a  100% increase on costs over the past four years (although I can’t beleive it should be this high). That still implies a helathy profit of several 100%. You have not used the correct price at all.  Most of the fly rods are around $500 – $700. Check your own website. I clearly stated I was using the MSRP which is quoted at $1620 to $3000. This is the price you expect a retailer to charge for your rods. or did you post a hugely inflated MSRP in order to make your rods appear to be worth more tahn they really are. Surely that would be unethical…

Whoa, right here ass hole.  You don’t know for jack shit the quality of our fly rods.  Admit it!  Where is your source of knowledge derived from?? Other assholes? I’ll tell you what.  I dare you, if you wish to see a beautiful bamboo to order one and in your case you will pay in advance for a Bastard for a bastard.  I will defy you to  be able to find fault with it compared to any other bamboo fly rod in the world. Okay, you chicken shit son of a bitch.  What say you? George Gehrke bamboosan

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For just about any manufactured goods, the cost of raw materials is minor compared to the costs incurred in research and development, manufacture, distribution, and promotion. Basing the "fair price" of a flyline on the cost of bulk PVC is about the same as saying that split-cane flyrods shouldn’t cost any more than 20 or 30 dollars because they are made of little more than bamboo, cork, steel, and nickel. Besides that, there is currently enough competition in the fly line market that I seriously doubt that an artificially high price would last for very long.

This is very true, but misleading and not entirely correct.  The general rule of thumb that I have found is that wholesale is roughly half of retail and wholesale is over two times the cost of production.  You are basically paying for the manufacturer to make a profit and then the retailer to make a profit.  My friend was signed up with several business that had guide programs and I got to see some of the price sheets for Orvis and others.  What was costing me $5 (brass beads), he was getting for $1.50 or so.  If you knew the mark up on stuff like hackle, fly rods, etc you would shit your pants, which wouldn’t be a problem if you were paying wholesale because you could afford a pair just to crap in.  The glasses I wanted that were $150, he could get for $45.  Unlike other industries, the mark ups on fly fishing gear is huge.  Those that are able to afford it do so.  Those that can’t afford it but still want it sacrifice and buy it anyways.  Those that can’t afford it buy something that is a good substitute but within their price range.  I think the fly fishing industry has basically nickled and dimed us over the years to find the upper limits of what we are willing to pay as consumers and have been very effective at doing so.  The few manufacturers that start off at discounted prices eventually join up with the rest and start charging the same as everyone else.  Look at rod prices for instance. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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Actually, flyrods are more since that was quoted correctly.  Secondary part costs have increased dramatically since the Clinton defascoes and Greenspan screw ups with the economy. You have not used the correct price at all.  Most of the fly rods are around $500 – $700.  Just the ferrules which are all American Made  usually are nearly $200 worth.  That is not my idea of fair pricing either.  Then there are the Agate Guides, snake guides, reel seat, cork, labor. No, we don’t over charge but you sure do know how to blue sky and put things out of context.  As a Roffian, you fit right in. George Gehrke "bamboosan" http://www.gink.com George Gehrke "lowest priced bamboo fly rods regardless"

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I know what a fair price for a fly line is and you don’t Clark.  I’m telling you that you can make it sound extravagant but it isn’t.  The art work on a fly line box is more extravagant than the line, believe that.  My point is simple.  Fly lines are over priced.

For just about any manufactured goods, the cost of raw materials is minor compared to the costs incurred in research and development, manufacture, distribution, and promotion. Basing the "fair price" of a flyline on the cost of bulk PVC is about the same as saying that split-cane flyrods shouldn’t cost any more than 20 or 30 dollars because they are made of little more than bamboo, cork, steel, and nickel. Besides that, there is currently enough competition in the fly line market that I seriously doubt that an artificially high price would last for very long. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know what a fair price for a fly line is and you don’t Clark.  I’m telling you that you can make it sound extravagant but it isn’t.  The art work on a fly line box is more extravagant than the line, believe that.  My point is simple.  Fly lines are over priced. For just about any manufactured goods, the cost of raw materials is minor compared to the costs incurred in research and development, manufacture, distribution, and promotion. Basing the "fair price" of a flyline on the cost of bulk PVC is about the same as saying that split-cane flyrods shouldn’t cost any more than 20 or 30 dollars because they are made of little more than bamboo, cork, steel, and nickel. Besides that, there is currently enough competition in the fly line market that I seriously doubt that an artificially high price would last for very long. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

You make a compelling point and I bow to it. George

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Any opinions on the best full sinking line for stillwater applications? steve haun sioux falls

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Any opinions on the best full sinking line for stillwater applications?

Depends what you require of it. We do a lot of reservoir fishing from boats here in the U.K. We use everything from neutral density (barely breaks through the surface) through to some fairly scary high density fly lines (e.g. Airflo DI7 and DI8). Note that these last named are proper casting tapers, not just lengths of lead core trolling line. If I were to pick only one sinking line, I’d probably choose a 3M Scientific Anglers WetCel 1 intermediate – popularly known here by its colour: the ‘Kelly Green’. It’s a nice line to cast and generally useful. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Some people wonder why the hell little bottles of Floatant sell for $20 NZ here… Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bill?  I went to my favorite or nearest Fly Shop and looked at the Cortland 555 and for $60 Cortland isn’t offering much for something that only cost them .87 Cents to make.  Hell, the packaging cost more! I just wish there was more honesty in fly line pricing than what is taking place in America today.  These fly lines should not be retailing for any more than about $15 each and this is the truth… The 555 is a new line, and the people who developed it, advertise it, distribute it, etc, all need to get paid. If they sold for only $15, the engineers (and others) currently in the flyfishing industry would move on to greener pastures, or the companies would go out of business. Maybe both. With the kind of fishing I do, and the kind of budget I’m currently living with, the budget lines made by Cortland and SA suit me just fine. OTOH, it’s nice to know that they (and others) are constantly innovating. There is a price to pay for having the newest, slickest line, but judging by the sales of high-end fly tackle, there are plenty of customers who are willing to pay for it, just as there are plenty of others who are willing to stay with the older-generation lines in order to save money for other things. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Bill?  I went to my favorite or nearest Fly Shop and looked at the Cortland 555 and for $60 Cortland isn’t offering much for something that only cost them .87 Cents to make.  Hell, the packaging cost more! I just wish there was more honesty in fly line pricing than what is taking place in America today.  These fly lines should not be retailing for any more than about $15 each and this is the truth…

The 555 is a new line, and the people who developed it, advertise it, distribute it, etc, all need to get paid. If they sold for only $15, the engineers (and others) currently in the flyfishing industry would move on to greener pastures, or the companies would go out of business. Maybe both. With the kind of fishing I do, and the kind of budget I’m currently living with, the budget lines made by Cortland and SA suit me just fine. OTOH, it’s nice to know that they (and others) are constantly innovating. There is a price to pay for having the newest, slickest line, but judging by the sales of high-end fly tackle, there are plenty of customers who are willing to pay for it, just as there are plenty of others who are willing to stay with the older-generation lines in order to save money for other things. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Hi Steve, We sell most the full sinking weight forward slow sinking clear lines for a lakes. The Cortland "444 Clear Camo" is the most popular here in California, USA, planet earth. Years ago the WF6S type 2,  SA or Cortland was the most popular lake line. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop

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Bill?  I went to my favorite or nearest Fly Shop and looked at the Cortland 555 and for $60 Cortland isn’t offering much for something that only cost them .87 Cents to make.  Hell, the packaging cost more! I just wish there was more honesty in fly line pricing than what is taking place in America today.  These fly lines should not be retailing for any more than about $15 each and this is the truth. I walked into Lewiston’s Wal-Mart to buy some Cortland 444 fly lines for about the same low price of around $15 and this store said that Wal-Mart pulled not only the Cortland Fly Lines and ALL Fly Line brands but the leaders.  I no sooner got outside to my electronics center (Pick Up) and called 1-800-Wal-Mart and we had a serious discussion about this issue. Seems their light bulb may have come back on.  We will see. George

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I wouldn’t think of hassling Dave!  He’s quite the fine gentleman.  I was just interested in his thoughts on the subject.  I didn’t get into the URL, but from the gist of the statement posted I gathered that out-of-staters were less than welcome under the bill. Could pose serious difficulties for ‘clavers, if all states pursue such a practice.  Like Ken said, kind of hard to discuss a subject–intelligently– with so little info.  Not that I could do so with all the facts. — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The man’s angry, Mark. It’s all right. He has a right to his feelings. He’s usually a reasonable fellow. He’ll calm down. Let him be. Maybe it’s my glasses. Some people just get pissed of about my glasses… Just curious Dave, but what outraged you about this post.  Seriously. — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

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damn. you were one of the ’some’. Lennie writes: Warmest regards to some of you, To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

O.K., then BLOW ME. Wolfgang

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To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. O.K., then BLOW ME.

Man am I embarrassed!! To think that I’ve forgotten the obvious history behind these responses. I feel so stupid! Or, perhaps it was before my time. Hmmm… Anyone wanna fill me in or am I going to have to do a Deja search to find the source of this latent hostility? –Steve

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To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. O.K., then BLOW ME. Man am I embarrassed!! To think that I’ve forgotten the obvious history behind these responses. I feel so stupid! Or, perhaps it was before my time. Hmmm… Anyone wanna fill me in or am I going to have to do a Deja search to find the source of this latent hostility?

I don’t think there’s any latent hostility. Lennie had a bit of a troll going on in his closing remark, Dave gave him a short but sweet swat for his troubles, and Wolfgang – well, that’s just Wolfgang doing his part to keep the rest of the group from sleeping… /daytripper (ie: same shite/different day

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Some people are unable to distinguish between an event happening NEAR them and happening TO them. If they saw the movie "Back to School" they probably got pissed off when Rodney Dangerfield told his secretary to hold *some* of his calls. I didn’t wake up yesterday with an agenda to piss anybody off and if I had known that what I was going to write would have that effect I wouldn’t have done it. But some folks see perceive everything as a slight. They act like a few words on a computer display is the equivalent of trying to set their fucking house on fire. I find the prevailing mindset of this group to be so contentious and adversarial that it’s not worth my time. Wolfgang and Dave, LIGHTEN UP, for Pete’s sake.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. O.K., then BLOW ME. Man am I embarrassed!! To think that I’ve forgotten the obvious history behind these responses. I feel so stupid! Or, perhaps it was before my time. Hmmm… Anyone wanna fill me in or am I going to have to do a Deja search to find the source of this latent hostility? I don’t think there’s any latent hostility. Lennie had a bit of a troll going on in his closing remark, Dave gave him a short but sweet swat for his troubles, and Wolfgang – well, that’s just Wolfgang doing his part to keep the rest of the group from sleeping… /daytripper (ie: same shite/different day

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Wolfgang and Dave, LIGHTEN UP, for Pete’s sake.

Who the hell is this Pete guy? What makes him think he’s better than anyone else? <g — Charlie…

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than anyone else? <g — Charlie…

I don’t know why anyone is getting their panties iin a tightwad. Telling someone to blow me is the way I have talked since I was about six years old. I think this kind of talk is why South Park is so popular; the kids talk the same way we all have for all of our lives. There ain’t no reason to lighten up. We are just having a good time. Don’t take all this shit so serious, just enjoy it. Big Dale

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Don’t take all this shit so serious, just enjoy it.

Me? Serious? <g — Charlie…

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— Charlie…

Not you Charlie weknow you better than that. I meant the jerk that had his panties in a tightwad. Big Dale

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Some people are unable to distinguish between an event happening NEAR them and happening TO them. If they saw the movie "Back to School" they probably got pissed off when Rodney Dangerfield told his secretary to hold *some* of his calls. I didn’t wake up yesterday with an agenda to piss anybody off and if I had known that what I was going to write would have that effect I wouldn’t have done it. But some folks see perceive everything as a slight. They act like a few words on a computer display is the equivalent of trying to set their fucking house on fire.

Look, asshole – are you threatening to burn my house down?  Sheesh, some people….  And just why are calling some school secretary and telling her to hold my calls?  And don’t pull any of that coy, "Oh, I didn’t mean you" bullshit.  I may be paranoid, but I can read between the lines (well, I can when I have on my thick glasses and can see my monitor)….. I find the prevailing mindset of this group to be so contentious and adversarial that it’s not worth my time.

Well, yeah, there’s that, of course.  This contentiously adversarial attitude is slyly hidden from those who read ROFF before posting, therefore insuring a fresh supply of concerned citizens for Wolfgang and Dave to eat for lunch…. Wolfgang and Dave, LIGHTEN UP, for Pete’s sake.

It’s the rich diet and winter inactivity – typing, apparently, ain’t exercise… R

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Big Guy writes: Not you Charlie weknow you better than that. I meant the jerk that had his panties in a tightwad.

I didn’t know Peter wore panties!   Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Not you Charlie weknow you better than that. I meant the jerk that had his panties in a tightwad.

Oh, you mean LaPlac… <G — Charlie…

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Uh Dave, can you move me out of *that* cabin? Frank (no crossdresser here) Church

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Big Guy writes: Not you Charlie weknow you better than that. I meant the jerk that had his panties in a tightwad. I didn’t know Peter wore panties! Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Some people are unable to distinguish between an event happening NEAR them and happening TO them. If they saw the movie "Back to School" they probably got pissed off when Rodney Dangerfield told his secretary to hold *some* of his calls.

Actually, I liked the hot tub scene better: RD:"So, what’s your major?" Girl: "Literature" RD: "Great.   Maybe you can help me straighten out my Longfellow." Joe F.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some people are unable to distinguish between an event happening NEAR them and happening TO them. If they saw the movie "Back to School" they probably got pissed off when Rodney Dangerfield told his secretary to hold *some* of his calls. I didn’t wake up yesterday with an agenda to piss anybody off and if I had known that what I was going to write would have that effect I wouldn’t have done it. But some folks see perceive everything as a slight. They act like a few words on a computer display is the equivalent of trying to set their fucking house on fire. I find the prevailing mindset of this group to be so contentious and adversarial that it’s not worth my time. Wolfgang and Dave, LIGHTEN UP, for Pete’s sake.

Some people are unable to distinguish between an event happening NEAR them and happening TO them. If they saw the movie "Back to School" they probably got pissed off when Rodney Dangerfield told his secretary to hold *some* of his calls. I didn’t wake up yesterday with an agenda to piss anybody off but if I had known that what I was going to write would have that effect I probably would have done it anyway. But some folks perceive everything as a slight. They act like a few words on a computer display is the equivalent of trying to set their fucking house on fire.  Life is a two way street Lennie.  Lighten up, for your own sake. Wolfgang back at ya

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Big Guy writes: Not you Charlie weknow you better than that. I meant the jerk that had his panties in a tightwad. I didn’t know Peter wore panties!   Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

Don’t worry sweetiekins, I’m not bringing any of the ones with knots in them. Peter (who is really touched by all of the concern over his feelings.)

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I wouldn’t want to side with the flyshops and the outfitters on this one without being much more informed on the issues.

I asked my Dad, who is the outdoors columnist for the Montana Standard in Butte, MT, about this, and this is part of his response: <begin quote The FOAM people have also been among the most difficult people to deal with every time someone tries to put a lid on outfitting.  They’ll be invited to work on committees, and they’ll be disruptive on the committee, and after the committees try to come up with something all can agree on, they’ll renege on the deal.  Their total goal is growth of the outfitting industry and to hell with the ordinary guy from Butte–or anywhere else. My recommendation is to send Judy Martz an email to do the opposite of what Robin Cunningham says. <end quote

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The man’s angry, Mark. It’s all right. He has a right to his feelings. He’s usually a reasonable fellow. He’ll calm down. Let him be. Maybe it’s my glasses. Some people just get pissed of about my glasses… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just curious Dave, but what outraged you about this post.  Seriously. — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

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Sorry about that URL. I tried the damned thing again and they’ve put some password protection on it. Hm. Interesting what you said about Robin Cunningham and his constituency. Makes good sense.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … If you would like to help defeat this bill … Robin Cunningham represents the interests of the Fishing Outfitters Association of Montana, FOAM. The interests of the fishing outfitters do not necessarily coincide with the interests of the fishery or even with the interests of out-of-state fishermen. I discussed this issue at length with Robin this past summer and I can see where he’s coming from in representing his constituency but the URL http://laws.leg.state.mt.us:8000/laws01_pref/plsql/law0203w$.startup doesn’t work for me so I can’t see what form this most contentious legislation has finally taken. I wouldn’t want to side with the flyshops and the outfitters on this one without being much more informed on the issues. — Ken Fortenberry

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… If you would like to help defeat this bill …

Robin Cunningham represents the interests of the Fishing Outfitters Association of Montana, FOAM. The interests of the fishing outfitters do not necessarily coincide with the interests of the fishery or even with the interests of out-of-state fishermen. I discussed this issue at length with Robin this past summer and I can see where he’s coming from in representing his constituency but the URL http://laws.leg.state.mt.us:8000/laws01_pref/plsql/law0203w$.startup doesn’t work for me so I can’t see what form this most contentious legislation has finally taken. I wouldn’t want to side with the flyshops and the outfitters on this one without being much more informed on the issues. — Ken Fortenberry

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Sorry. Did I write "some"? I meant "several".

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lennie writes: Warmest regards to some of you, To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Lennie writes: Warmest regards to some of you,

To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Just curious Dave, but what outraged you about this post.  Seriously. — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lennie writes: Warmest regards to some of you, To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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damn. you were one of the ’some’.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lennie writes: Warmest regards to some of you, To "some" of us?  How about bitin’ me, Lennie. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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This was forwarded to me by the owner of a fly shop in Missoula: If you would like to help defeat this bill there is a phone number below you can call and leave a message. To email Governor Martz, go to http://www.discoveringmontana.com:88/gov/mailform3.htm. Warmest regards to some of you, LR below is a msg I received from the fishing outfitters association of Montana regarding a move to limit non-resident fishing license — make no mistake – the fish and game commision of Montana doesn’t give a damn about what is best for the resource; they are only concerned that someone from Butte can go to the river without seeing someone not from Montana, and they have no business deciding this huge economic question for the state…. what can you do? read the memo below – if you are from Montana, please contact the proper legislators and let them know that if MT is ever to move from an extractive economy this is no way to go about it, and let the new governor, Judy Martz, know the same (at the same #)– if you live out of state please let the Governor know the amount of $ you pour into the local economy every year and also mention the amount of donations you’ve made toward conservation efforts in MT, because of folks just like you the fishing here is as good as it is!! Thank you for your time John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - —–Original Message—– To: FOAM outfitter : ; <FOAM outfitter : ; Folks: On Tuesday, Jan. 16, in room 152 of the Capitol building in Helena, Rep. Dan Fuchs (R), Billings, will introduce his HB 228 intended to authorize the FWP Commission to make rules to control the number of nonresident anglers who may fish on a river subject to an FWP management plan.  The nonresidents may be required to purchase one of a limited number of annual "trophy water permits" via a drawing.  The commission will be authorized to determine the number of permits, the cost, and must "document" the need for limits on angling use on "designated waters" during "some part of a license year."  You can get a copy of the bill at: http://laws.leg.state.mt.us:8000/laws01_pref/plsql/law0203w$.startup Communities around the state that depend on nonresident angler dollars are upset about this idea.  And, for outfitters, a drawing would spell slow death to our regular customers.  Please contact your legislator on TUESDAY (Monday’s a state and fed. holiday) by calling 406-444-4800 and leaving a message.  Key legislators are those on the House Fish & Game Committee: Dan Fuchs (Billings) Joe Balyeat (Bozeman) George Golie (Great Falls) Keith Bales (Otter) Debby Barrett (Dillon) Paul Clark (Trout Creek) Ron Devlin (Terry) Tom Facey (Missoula) Steve Gallus (Butte) Gail Gutsche (Missoula) Larry Jent (Bozeman) Jeff Laszloffy (Laurel) Diane Rice (Harrison) Nancy Rice Fritz (Missoula) Rick Ripley (Wolf Creek) Allen Rome (Garrison) Jim Shockley (Victor) Don Steinbesser (Sidney) Bill Thomas (Hobson) Brett Tramelli (Great Falls) Let these people hear from you!  Start leaving messages after 7:30 a.m. at 406-444-4800.  Just tell the operator which legislator you want the message to go to and keep it brief. Thanks. Robin

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I am looking for some new leader formulas for dry fly fishing. I want a 16-18 ft overall leader with tippit ( I use a long tippet, about 31/2 to 4 ft). I am fishing a 3 wt and 4 wt line at the present. Any suggestions? George

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http://globalflyfisher.com/fishbetter/leadercalc/index.html It might take awhile to digest, but there is an interesting leader formula program in there. Regards, Jeff

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Dear Steve, I read your inquiry regarding the CMR-Reel and I’m sure you’ll be very pleased with it, should you decide to purchase one. You can get all the technical information about all Marryat products including the CMR reel on the Web page at: www.marryat.com Regards, Roger Ritter, Marryat staff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When fly fishing for trout in Sweden, I saw someone fishing with the new Marryat CMR reel made in Switzerland. This guy was extremly pleased with its performance. Before buying one, I would like to hear how others feel about this new product. Steve Turner

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When fly fishing for trout in Sweden, I saw someone fishing with the new Marryat CMR reel made in Switzerland. This guy was extremly pleased with its performance. Before buying one, I would like to hear how others feel about this new product. Steve Turner

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW Go fer it!

Sure – but while you’re at it, how about "Going for" rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.endless.advocacies? Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus            Maynard, Massachusetts   < <        Charter Member of "Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely             to be shared by my employer, etc…

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

Damn the bandwidth… Full speed ahead! I bet there a lot of great pics out there. Maybe we could develop a huge base of FF related clip art. The newletter people could alway use a good photo or drawing. dawsonH

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload?

A binary is generally a misnomer when it comes to how they appear on newsgroups.  A "binary" will generally be stored in uuencoded format or be a MIME attachment.  In either case, it will appear as ascii characters but not readable.  Once it’s decoded it becomes a binary.  A scanner is useful for *creating* binaries but there are other alternatives.  Places like Kinko’s will scan pictures for you and put the binary on a floppy. A lot of photo developing places now offer your pictures digitized into gif/jpeg files and returned on a floppy.  There is a place near hear that does it for $4 a roll of 24 exposures.  On the other hand, scanners are starting to get pretty cheap. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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: : I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : : What say ye all ? : : TimW : Hey, T-Bone, ole’ buddy, if you are so hot for this why not do it your self. Like John did for rofft. I’ll bet John will give some pointers on how to go about it. keep ‘em dry

Tim is proposing a group in the alt hierarchy which means that the creation process is much easier then a group proposed in one of the *Big Eight* newsgroup hierarchies.  My first suggestion would be to take a look in alt.config and it should provide a newsgroup creation process.   It does no good whatsoever to post an "I vote yes" article here.   — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : : What say ye all ? : : TimW : Hey, T-Bone, ole’ buddy, if you are so hot for this why not do it your self. Like John did for rofft. I’ll bet John will give some pointers on how to go about it. keep ‘em dry

If there is interest, I will.  Thanks. TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW Go fer it! Sure – but while you’re at it, how about "Going for" rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.endless.advocacies?

And this little troll ? <g Where’e the smiley dave ? Hey Dave… I *tried*.  But was defeated by those much. much wiser then I. I *tried* hard to get a talk or politics subgroup in lieu of .tying, and was humiliated for my efforts… Don’t blame me, that’s fer damned sure… TimW

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      Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not   sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner   to upload?     No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format.     You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera   or video capture.     After that, it’s really easy.     TimW Sounds like a good idea to me. Getting something like a "Snappy" and your camcorder might be the cheapest way to go… Ted…

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload? No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format. You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera or video capture. After that, it’s really easy. TimWUsing binaries may seem scary at first but you can buy an Epson Photo PC

camera for less than a quality rangefinder automatic and it is truly automatic. Plus there are no film charges. The output is straight to the screen VGA in living 24 bit color. No scanning. No film and no prints. I use on a LOT and most of the closeups in Master Angler were done with one. Resolution problems? I dont think so! The insects look like they might bite and you can see every hair on a fly pattern. When you figure what you pay for a roll of film and development the camera pays for itself in a few months if you do any sort of photography. Hand scanners are dirt cheap now and they have excellent resolution. I have 3 scanners and any of them can scan a print and if your steady with the hand scanner you cant tell the difference from the flatbeds. Video capture is quite easy now but this would be my last choice. It works but not like the camera or the scanner. Digital video has come a long way and is a boon to those of us who want to keep our copyrighted videos from piracy as you get in VHS but the quality is not as good and either are the video captures made with the boards. If the lighting is good however they are very acceptable. Alt binaries is a medium we need to fill in the blanks. There are nuances in fly patterns tht will never be transmitted via a written materials list. I would vote yes Bob S — Bob Sheedy Arctic Fire Software Home of THE FISHING LOG and MASTER ANGLER http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm

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I think maybe we should expand this to be alt.binaries.pictures.flyfishing, so that we can post all kinds of things, inclusive of flies. TimW

I agree.  Then we could post pictures of fish we caught, places we fished, whatever… Nicolo

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: I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance I think maybe we should expand this to be alt.binaries.pictures.flyfishing, so that we can post all kinds of things, inclusive of flies. TimW

Even better! Ever try to tie a new knot from typed instructions? — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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The response seems to favor it.   I tell ya what…if it’s an alt group, it seems like it would be not at all hard to do.   In order to get some respect in that area…we’d have to get on some scans and get some traffic going.   As it stands, the ng would be between .erotica and .fine_arts, not a bad place to be, but I can see a few of us getting lost up or downstream… I might just go ahead and create it.   TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW Go fer it! Sure – but while you’re at it, how about "Going for" rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.endless.advocacies? Cheers! /dave

Go fer it! Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

I’d vote yes. Charlie…

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW I’d vote yes. Charlie…

Same here. – August Kristoferson Watercolor Fish Art http://www.eskimo.com/~augustk

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: I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : What say ye all ? I think the traffic will be slow… really slow.  Why not just email any photos to the few who will want them? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Great idea, and I must say its nice to see you off the dogma kick. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

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: : I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : : What say ye all ? : : TimW : Hey, T-Bone, ole’ buddy, if you are so hot for this why not do it your self. Like John did for rofft. I’ll bet John will give some pointers on how to go about it. keep ‘em dry lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

 Sounds good to me  HM

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

Great idea. Mike

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: I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : What say ye all ? I think the traffic will be slow… really slow.  Why not just email any photos to the few who will want them?

Buy me a scanner Rick and the traffic will not be slow.   I would like to have the newsgroup in my list, when there is an image, I would almost certainly view it…wouldn’t you ?  I’d bet there is some incredible photo talent out there.  Even to be graced by some images of incredible watercolors I’ve seen by some of or friends. I think maybe we should expand this to be alt.binaries.pictures.flyfishing, so that we can post all kinds of things, inclusive of flies. TimW

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

Go fer it! — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload? jg

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload? No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format. You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera or video capture.

or simply have them developed onto a photo CD. TimW

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload?

No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format.   You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera or video capture. After that, it’s really easy. TimW

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This is really addressed to manufacturers and fly shop owners/operators. Are there any trade publications geared to the fly fishing industry? I’m familiar with all of the consumer titles, but would be interested to find out about any trade/industry titles. Thanks for your help.

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‘Fly Tackle Dealer"  Contact the people at ‘Rod & Reel’. A.J.Thramer

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I am thinking of moving to Phoenix, but I want o know if there is anywhere to flyfish out there.  If anyone could help me I would appreciate it.

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I am thinking of moving to Phoenix, but I want o know if there is anywhere to flyfish out there.  If anyone could help me I would appreciate it.

By out there, I assume you mean Arizona in general. There are at least a dozen bass lakes within 1-2 hours of Phoenix, most of which support largemouth, smallmouth, crappies, panfish, whitebass, etc. Within 2-3 hours you can reach the Flagstaff Area which is surrounded by one of the largest Ponderosa Pine forests in the U.S. (7000+ ft elevation). There are a variety of lakes with rainbows, browns, walleye, northern pike and a few streams (rainbows/browns) in the area. Then 3-4 hours will bring you to the White Mountains/Apache Indian Reservation and some of the best fishing in the state. There are many lakes/streams/creeks in the area which support browns, rainbows, grayling, and native species such as the Apache and Gila trout. Recent fishing reports have mentioned quite a few 3-5 pound rainbows being caught (and hopefully released) at some of the White Mountain lakes. I shouldn’t fail to mention Lee’s Ferry on the Colorado River, 4-5 hours from Phoenix, a definite Blue-Ribbon tailwater fishery (barbless hooks, fly/artifical lure only, and slot limits). Of course, 6-10 hours will get you to quite a few places in Utah, New Mexico, and Colorado including San Juan, Animas, Boulder Mountain, etc. And don’t forget, AZ is close to Mexico and saltwater flyfishing If you want some more specific information you can contact the folks at Canyon Creek Anglers (a flyshop in Phoenix) at 602-277-8195.

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Help!  I can’t make my rod tiptop stay put.  I am considering epoxy.  Do any of you rod-building types out there have advice on the subject?   Thanks! Randy Walsh

Make sure that you use 5 minute epoxy, and nothing stronger!!  Should you ever be required to replace the tiptop and you have used rgular epoxie, you will most likely damage the blank attempting to remove the tiptop.  It also may be a good idea before you attempt to epoxy the top in place that you clean the area of the tip where the top will be. Any dirt or grease will definitely affect the bonding ability of the epoxy.  As well you want to ensure that there is no shine where the epoxy will be.  If that section of the blank is shiny scuff it with a plastic type scouring pad.  A good product for this is something called smooth scuff.  All you want to do is scuff the finish.  You do NOT want to remove the finish and risk cutting into the fibre of the blank.  This is why you should not use sandpaper.  To clean the blank, just use a little rubbing or denatured alcohol and let it dry before you apply the 5 minute epoxy. Ian Scott Wishbone Custom Rods 2 Henry St.,  RR 1 Grand Valley, Ont., 519-928-2906

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There is some risk with 5-min epoxy for tip-top attachment. Depending on the polymer mixture used (including Devcon’s), the epoxy may not retain its flexibility and the tip may fatigue and snap over repeated hook sets, fish etc. I would recommend going to a polymer which provides some flexibility when cured and retains elasticity under high loads (epoxy, on the other hand, loses elasticity at high loads upon curing and can result in a "brittle" fracture not unlike cast iron). One such product is manufactured by Flex Coat and comes in a solid "stick" form which is melted with head and rubbed onto the tip of the rod prior to application. Ryan Jordan

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Help!  I can’t make my rod tiptop stay put.  I am considering epoxy.  Do any of you rod-building types out there have advice on the subject? Thanks! Randy Walsh

Devcon 5 MINUTE epoxy. Phil Koenig Mattan Custom Tackle http://fishdoc.com./

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Help!  I can’t make my rod tiptop stay put.  I am considering epoxy.  Do any of you rod-building types out there have advice on the subject? Thanks! Randy Walsh Devcon 5 MINUTE epoxy. Phil Koenig Mattan Custom Tackle http://fishdoc.com./

I use the same medium cure epoxy I use on the rod seat and cork handle. Don’t could on the flex coat and wrap to hold it on. My tip tops tack a lot of beating in trees etc.

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Help!  I can’t make my rod tiptop stay put.  I am considering epoxy.  Do any of you rod-building types out there have advice on the subject?   Thanks! Randy Walsh

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Randy Walsh writes: Help!  I can’t make my rod tiptop stay put.  I am considering epoxy.  Do any of you rod-building types out there have advice on the subject?   Thanks!

Try 5 minute epoxy. It will hold and is reversable with heat. Jonathan Clarke

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Help!  I can’t make my rod tiptop stay put.  I am considering epoxy.  Do any of you rod-building types out there have advice on the subject?   Thanks! Randy Walsh

Flexcoat sells tip top adhesive that you apply with heat.  Then, if the tip’s not on proper, or you want to remove it, just heat it up and fix it, or take it off.  You can find it in most fly fishing catalogs.  The problem with epoxy is that if you get it on crooked, too bad. Steve

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Help!  I can’t make my rod tiptop stay put.  I am considering epoxy.  Do any of you rod-building types out there have advice on the subject?   Thanks! Randy Walsh

You should be using epoxy, the 5 minute type. This will allow you to remove the tip or replace the tip with a little heat. Good luck Dennis & George

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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Help!  I can’t make my rod tiptop stay put.  I am considering epoxy. Do any of you rod-building types out there have advice on the subject?   Thanks! Randy Walsh You should be using epoxy, the 5 minute type. This will allow you to remove the tip or replace the tip with a little heat. Good luck Dennis & George

The other consideration (I think) might be the fit.  I have had problems in the past if the tip was Just a little too large.  I’ve used the hot glue method for years and had no serious problems if the fit was right…. Steve

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We have a TU group  going into Alaska this summer to flyfish. It’s expensive but the quality is sensational. The attached letter was sent to this year’s participants. If you have any interest please e-mail me. Copy of letter:

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If you send me an e-mail I will send you copy of my letter containing all the info on trip. Thanks!

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