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Does anybody have experience using sink-tip lines and weighted leaders?  Is there a difference?  I’m contemplating trying one or both to get down to the deeper holes yet still have natural nymph action. I don’t like rocks with fur and feathers attached.

I wouldn’t use a sink tip or a fast sink leader for deep nymphing, except on stillwater. Try using a really long tippet (NOT a tapered leader) below the indicator, assuming you use one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I wouldn’t use a sink tip or a fast sink leader for deep nymphing, except on stillwater. Try using a really long tippet (NOT a tapered leader) below the indicator, assuming you use one.

Charlie Brooks caught lots of big trout by deep nymphing with a full-sinking line. OTOH, he mentioned in one of his books that the technique isn’t very popular, even among those who have learned it well, because most fishermen don’t find it all that enjoyable. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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I wouldn’t use a sink tip or a fast sink leader for deep nymphing, except on stillwater. Try using a really long tippet (NOT a tapered leader) below the indicator, assuming you use one. Charlie Brooks caught lots of big trout by deep nymphing with a full-sinking line. OTOH, he mentioned in one of his books that the technique isn’t very popular, even among those who have learned it well, because most fishermen don’t find it all that enjoyable.

My problem with it isn’t that it’s not enjoyable, Rusty. I’ll take an occasional big fish over "enjoyment" any time. My problem is that it’s much harder, if not impossible, to get a drag-free drift in moving water with a sink tip. In stillwater you usually want to put action on the nymph, so it’s not a problem. It seems to me like the best approach, if you want a drag free drift, is to use tippet all the way from the top to the bottom. BTW, I don’t claim to be any good at getting drag free drifts. I’m still learning, and probably always will be. P.S. I loved your retort to Phillipo. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Does anybody have experience using sink-tip lines and weighted leaders?  Is there a difference?  I’m contemplating trying one or both to get down to the deeper holes yet still have natural nymph action. I don’t like rocks with fur and feathers attached.

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Jim Benenson writes: Does anybody have experience using sink-tip lines and weighted leaders?  Is there a difference?  I’m contemplating trying one or both to get down to the deeper holes yet still have natural nymph action. I don’t like rocks with fur and feathers attached.

Either will get you down to the deeper holes, but the sink tip line will be more difficult to mend.  I generally use a 9 foot leader/tippet and split shot to get the nymph down.  However, if you are talking deeper runs, a 12 foot leader might be a better choice.  I try to keep as much line off (or in) the water as possible when nymphing – it gives a better drift and makes strikes easier to see.   Dave

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Does anybody have experience using sink-tip lines and weighted leaders?  Is there a difference?  I’m contemplating trying one or both to get down to the deeper holes yet still have natural nymph action. I don’t like rocks with fur and feathers attached.

I think that it’s difficult to get a dead drift, if that’s what you’re after, in a stream or river using a sinking line.  A sinking line is going to put lots of drag on the fly which can be useful for fishing streamers or in a FEW nymphing situations, but overall weight on the leader works better. Willi

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<SNIP The aspiration for ‘reasonable contentment’ is one we probably all share, Mike. I’m not sure it’s been the driving force behind mankind’s most impressive achievements, though.

War has usually been the driving force for man

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You can say that again!  I don’t suppose anyone gets out as much as they would like.  

I didn’t mean you, I meant daytripper. The HWMNBN stuff is probably hard to follow if you’re new around here (aka still sane). <g — Charlie…

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You can say that again!  I don’t suppose anyone gets out as much as they would like.   I didn’t mean you, I meant daytripper. The HWMNBN stuff is probably hard to follow if you’re new around here (aka still sane). <g

He’s even a little hard to follow if you’re grizzled and insane

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(HWMNBN won’t be able to trot *that* canard out anymore)…

Ah, the trotting of the canards… I used to be a fan until that night in Marseilles when I had a grand on a mallard to place at 12-1.  It was running neck and neck with the leader until the home stretch, where the goddam thing came up lame and couldn’t finish the race.  That’s when I realized the whole thing was fixed. Kevin, still disillusioned.

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(HWMNBN won’t be able to trot *that* canard out anymore)… Ah, the trotting of the canards… I used to be a fan until that night in Marseilles when I had a grand on a mallard to place at 12-1.  It was running neck and neck with the leader until the home stretch, where the goddam thing came up lame and couldn’t finish the race.  That’s when I realized the whole thing was fixed. Kevin, still disillusioned.

Still, it’s better than running with the canards at Pamplona……boy could get culled doing that.    :( Wolfgang

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That’s when I realized the whole thing was fixed.

And why most just lope their mule… <g — Charlie…

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I can only say that nothing I have read would make me reluctant to post to ROFF.  As a matter of fact, I would expect any group interested in Fly fishing to have a disproportionate number of curmudgeons. Welcome, Jim!  Everyone here (with the exception of a troll) has been exceedingly kind and helpful to me, despite the fact I am very new to fly fishing

Geez! All of this good karma made me post again, after having nuked myself pretty much out of existence here other than lurking – Sandy, if you can put up with what you have, then I see no reason for me keep lurking, especially since the salmon and steelheading is going so well here in Southern Oregon – a buddy of mine landed a 33" (28lb +/-) hen chinook on a 6wt Saturday (#6 Beadhead CDC Prince), gave one of the flies to a guy just upstream, then helped that guy land what had to be a 32-35 lb jack… and they were fishing for steelhead. Jim, Welcome. -Gus http://gstrandesigns.tripod.com/flyfishing.htm

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Geez! All of this good karma made me post again, after having nuked myself pretty much out of existence here other than lurking – Sandy, if you can put up with what you have, then I see no reason for me keep lurking, especially since the salmon and steelheading is going so well here in Southern Oregon – a buddy of mine landed a 33" (28lb +/-) hen chinook on a 6wt Saturday (#6 Beadhead CDC Prince), gave one of the flies to a guy just upstream, then helped that guy land what had to be a 32-35 lb jack… and they were fishing for steelhead.

Cool!  Then we’ll expect TRs and maybe even photos posted to alt.binaries.pictures.fishing very soon.  :^)  Welcome back, Gus.  Don’t sweat the small stuff.  Fishing and fun and friends are what’s important, and there’s plenty of that here. Sandy — "…the sport and game of angling is the true means and cause that brings a man into a merry spirit, which…makes a flowering age and a long one." ~~ Dame Juliana Berners 1496

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here in Southern Oregon – a buddy of mine landed a 33" (28lb +/-) hen chinook

Whoa! That is a fat fish! Mu

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Kissass. — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cool!  Then we’ll expect TRs and maybe even photos posted to alt.binaries.pictures.fishing very soon.  :^)  Welcome back, Gus.  Don’t sweat the small stuff.  Fishing and fun and friends are what’s important, and there’s plenty of that here. Sandy —

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I have only posted to this group once, so I guess it would be fair to say I am a newbie.  I guess I could also be considered a Lurker because I have continued to follow threads hear and there for the last couple months, as time permits, but I have not contributed. I can only say that nothing I have read would make me reluctant to post to ROFF.  As a matter of fact, I would expect any group interested in Fly fishing to have a disproportionate number of curmudgeons.  This is not meant as a slight, I enjoy and respect many crurmudgeons.  When someone takes heat on this group, they usually deserve it and the criticism teaches newbies, like me, simple lessons.  (Posting shamless marketing or large pictures is a no-no.)  The lessons are also entertaining. My position as a Lurker will probably erode over time.  At this point in time, my major limitation is time.  My kids keep me quite busy and it is fun to be with them.  I guess you could call them my primary hobby.  Reading a few post here and there is quick and I can do it at odd hours.  I sometimes cannot look at ROFF for weeks, so my contributions would be disjoint at best.  I really enjoy trip reports and many are truly works of art.  The only thing I find intimidating about ROFF would be to producing a a small whitefish trip report in a riffle loaded with quality trout. I have learned much from this group.  (For example: I need to give the Henry’s Fork another try and now I know why it appears that I catch more than twice the number of trout when I use a dropper.  I guess I can thank Bruce for both.) I will go fishing with my brothers in a few weeks and I hope the trip gives me enough material for a good report.  The thing I need most to contribute to ROFF is content.

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I will go fishing with my brothers in a few weeks and I hope the trip gives me enough material for a good report.  The thing I need most to contribute to ROFF is content.

Actually, Jim, all you need is a Sage rod for sale and a couple of alter egos. But seriously, it’s nice to here from you! –Steve

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"Jim …..Posting shamless marketing or large pictures is a no-no.

I, for one, don’t think shamless marketing is all that bad……best kind there is, as a matter of fact.     …The only thing I find intimidating about ROFF would be to producing a a small whitefish trip report in a riffle loaded with quality trout….

Pretty metaphor.  You got nuthin to worry about. Wolfgang oh yeah, welcome aboard!

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Good post. Many will agree.  ;-) Seriously, thanks for the post, Jim. You’ve refuted the "popular opinion" (actually, held by just the one guy, afaik) that ROFF is an uninviting place. (HWMNBN won’t be able to trot *that* canard out anymore)… /daytripper (You’re off to a good start! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have only posted to this group once, so I guess it would be fair to say I am a newbie.  I guess I could also be considered a Lurker because I have continued to follow threads hear and there for the last couple months, as time permits, but I have not contributed. I can only say that nothing I have read would make me reluctant to post to ROFF.  As a matter of fact, I would expect any group interested in Fly fishing to have a disproportionate number of curmudgeons.  This is not meant as a slight, I enjoy and respect many crurmudgeons.  When someone takes heat on this group, they usually deserve it and the criticism teaches newbies, like me, simple lessons.  (Posting shamless marketing or large pictures is a no-no.)  The lessons are also entertaining. My position as a Lurker will probably erode over time.  At this point in time, my major limitation is time.  My kids keep me quite busy and it is fun to be with them.  I guess you could call them my primary hobby.  Reading a few post here and there is quick and I can do it at odd hours.  I sometimes cannot look at ROFF for weeks, so my contributions would be disjoint at best.  I really enjoy trip reports and many are truly works of art.  The only thing I find intimidating about ROFF would be to producing a a small whitefish trip report in a riffle loaded with quality trout. I have learned much from this group.  (For example: I need to give the Henry’s Fork another try and now I know why it appears that I catch more than twice the number of trout when I use a dropper.  I guess I can thank Bruce for both.) I will go fishing with my brothers in a few weeks and I hope the trip gives me enough material for a good report.  The thing I need most to contribute to ROFF is content.

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"Jim" wrote My position as a Lurker will probably erode over time.  At this point in time, my major limitation is time.  My kids keep me quite busy and it is fun to be with them.  I guess you could call them my primary hobby.  Reading a few post here and there is quick and I can do it at odd hours.  I sometimes cannot look at ROFF for weeks, so my contributions would be disjoint at best. ……

Even the most curmudgeonly and cantankerous here won’t ever fault you for having your priorities so properly ordered.  Hope you find the time to post more often–maybe even a TR of the up-coming trip with your brothers.  ;) JR

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(HWMNBN won’t be able to trot *that* canard out anymore)… Uh, you don’t get out much do you. <g — Charlie…

You can say that again!  I don’t suppose anyone gets out as much as they would like.  Thats why I lurk around here and live vicariously though others.  It also gives me a chance to learn, although I would rather be learning on a river.

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(HWMNBN won’t be able to trot *that* canard out anymore)…

Uh, you don’t get out much do you. <g — Charlie…

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I will go fishing with my brothers in a few weeks and I hope the trip gives me enough material for a good report.  The thing I need most to contribute to ROFF is content.

You can always theorize or trivialize (?).  Keeps me busy in the long lulls between fishing trips

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(HWMNBN won’t be able to trot *that* canard out anymore)… Uh, you don’t get out much do you. <g

What was I thinking?!?

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He should definately cul that canard. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (HWMNBN won’t be able to trot *that* canard out anymore)… Uh, you don’t get out much do you. <g What was I thinking?!?

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I can only say that nothing I have read would make me reluctant to post to ROFF.  As a matter of fact, I would expect any group interested in Fly fishing to have a disproportionate number of curmudgeons.

Welcome, Jim!  Everyone here (with the exception of a troll) has been exceedingly kind and helpful to me, despite the fact I am very new to fly fishing.  I don’t always have info to add to discussions, but I read every one and have learned a wealth of information here, and have made some very nice friends. I will go fishing with my brothers in a few weeks and I hope the trip gives me enough material for a good report.

Please do post when you get back.  All the trout in Arizona streams seem to be boiled from the extended summer heat and I’m living vicariously through trip reports on ROFF until conditions improve.  <g Sandy — "…the sport and game of angling is the true means and cause that brings a man into a merry spirit, which…makes a flowering age and a long one." ~~ Dame Juliana Berners 1496

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That’s what I usually do, too, but sometimes the tippet is too long and I just want a knot in the right place, and not to join two lines together. The Float Stop knot at http://www.fishingcairns.com.au/page6-1.html that Guyz-N-Flyz pointed out looks perfect.

Ah that looks like a perfect knot then.  Good illustrations of knots too. Is this for deep water nymphing? bc. — I don’t care who you are, you are not walking on the water while I’m fishing.

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http://www.fishingcairns.com.au/page6-1.html

An alternative would be a uni-knot made with a spare length of fishing line.  The standard slip-bobber knot used by bait fisherman actually is a nail knot and one can purchase individually prepared knots wrapped around plastic tubes.  But since most fly anglers can tie nail knots it would seem ridiculous to pay $3 for a package of three knots. I’d recommend that you use dacron (12 lb is good) becasue mono on mono could cause your leader, expecially where it’s composed of lighter test material, to curl from the heat if you decide to slide the knot to a different position. One problem with dacron however is that since it’s much thicker in diamter than mono and the desired result is that the finished knot form a barrel around the mono, it may be difficult to prevent the mono from kinking as you form the dacron knot unless you can maintain tension on the mono while simultaneously tying the knot.  Or yould tie the stopper knot at a relatively thick/stiff section of your leader, then slide it down to the desired position and then just pull on the tag ends to tighten.  But really, why bother with all that? Personally I like to use weighted putty instead of split shot. Mu

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rw, I use a triple surgeons knot to tie on my tippet and place the split shot just above that.  http://www.flyshop.com/Tactics/12-96Knots/surgeon.html

That’s what I usually do, too, but sometimes the tippet is too long and I just want a knot in the right place, and not to join two lines together. The Float Stop knot at http://www.fishingcairns.com.au/page6-1.html that Guyz-N-Flyz pointed out looks perfect. BTW, I usually use a double surgeon’s knot, except when I’m joining fluorcarbon to regular mono, and then I use a triple. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I would worry that the float stop knot would slip under the pressure from a split shot…  Wouldn’t a figure eight knot do the trick?  It won’t move, it will hold a split shot from sliding down, you can’t really expect to untie it, and the line strength is not reduced much.  I have used the figure eight as a stopper on ropes for years – never on fishing line.  On ropes there’s the advantage that it *is* pretty easily untied.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s what I usually do, too, but sometimes the tippet is too long and I just want a knot in the right place, and not to join two lines together. The Float Stop knot at http://www.fishingcairns.com.au/page6-1.html that Guyz-N-Flyz pointed out looks perfect.

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I’m looking for a knot that I’ve never seen described and that may not even exist. The situation is that you have a very long tippet or an unknotted leader, and you want to add some splitshot not too far above the fly. To keep the splitshot from slipping, you want a knot, but what knot can you tie into the mono that doesn’t weaken it substantially? It seems like there should be one, but I’ve never heard of it.

Um, maybe this is some new-fangled terminal tackle problem, but if I understand what you mean by "splitshot," why not just crimp it down? I suspect I’m not altogether sure of what you mean, however, because….  Why would you put "some" (as in several?) on a tippet? TC, R

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Um, maybe this is some new-fangled terminal tackle problem, but if I understand what you mean by "splitshot," why not just crimp it down?

I don’t like to "crimp down" splitshot onto fine tippet (meaning crimp down HARD). I suspect I’m not altogether sure of what you mean, however, because….  Why would you put "some" (as in several?) on a tippet?

It’s common to vary the weight frequently. We were sure doing that on the San Juan. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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rw, I use a triple surgeons knot to tie on my tippet and place the split shot just above that.  http://www.flyshop.com/Tactics/12-96Knots/surgeon.html There is also a good article here on nymphing: http://web.utk.edu/~ldecuir/tu/96oct.htm Do a page search on Henry’s FAQ. Don’t know if that is what you are looking for. bc. — I don’t care who you are, you are not walking on the water while I’m fishing.

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rw, That sounds like the "Running Half Tangle" to me.

That one I know! I can tie it with my eyes shut, and often do. I don’t need one of your fancy tools to help me with that knot, Ernie. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Check out the Float Stop knot at the site below. http://www.fishingcairns.com.au/page6-1.html

All right! That’s exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, Opie. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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rw, That sounds like the "Running Half Tangle" to me.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for a knot that I’ve never seen described and that may not even exist. The situation is that you have a very long tippet or an unknotted leader, and you want to add some splitshot not too far above the fly. To keep the splitshot from slipping, you want a knot, but what knot can you tie into the mono that doesn’t weaken it substantially? It seems like there should be one, but I’ve never heard of it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Check out the Float Stop knot at the site below. http://www.fishingcairns.com.au/page6-1.html Opie  **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!**

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for a knot that I’ve never seen described and that may not even exist. The situation is that you have a very long tippet or an unknotted leader, and you want to add some splitshot not too far above the fly. To keep the splitshot from slipping, you want a knot, but what knot can you tie into the mono that doesn’t weaken it substantially? It seems like there should be one, but I’ve never heard of it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I’m looking for a knot that I’ve never seen described and that may not even exist. The situation is that you have a very long tippet or an unknotted leader, and you want to add some splitshot not too far above the fly. To keep the splitshot from slipping, you want a knot, but what knot can you tie into the mono that doesn’t weaken it substantially? It seems like there should be one, but I’ve never heard of it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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The situation is that you have a very long tippet or an unknotted leader, and you want to add some splitshot not too far above the fly. To keep the splitshot from slipping, you want a knot, but what knot can you tie into the mono that doesn’t weaken it substantially? It seems like there should be one, but I’ve never heard of it.

Just tie an additional piece of tippet to the end of your leader of same diameter as leader tippet using double surgeons or barrel knot and pinch the split over the knot. Good luck. Joel Axelrad

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The fall is a great time for fishing the West. My wife and I do our annual regular 2 week car bum in Sept/Oct. Best time for avoiding crowds and in the NW in particular is argueably the best season. Suggest you read Ted Leason’s book for a rundown on the basics of year rounded fishing in the NW. Dave

Hey George, I don’t think David is any sort of traitor. Hell, I’ve bummed around a good part of Idaho for the last 15 years, kayaking and fishing in the summer. I’ve also been on this newsgroup since quite a while before you started posting here. I don’t post much now because I’m making my own bamboo rods and don’t intend to go the Bastard route, I’ve had my fill of the C&R debate so mainly I lurk now with an occasional comment. Hell man, I even have a bottle of Gink on my vest!! Watch out, I may even drop in on your facility unannounced one day! Cheers. Jon

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thought I’d probe you guys for a few suggestions. My wife and I are going out west in early fall to scope out some property. As part of this trip, we want to take a week for flyfishing (both are avid ff). I am looking for some suggestions as to good places to try. We have fished Montana extensively in the summer but never in the fall. We figured we could go to the Red Lodge or Bozeman area and bum around or perhaps get a guide to float the Yellowstone. Is this a good time (or even worthwhile) to float the Yellowstone (I figure around the big bend area might be best; this is one river we have never fished)? Suggestions? Our other thought is to go to Oregon. We have friends there and could combine the goals of the trip. Again, is this a decent time to go and where would you suggest? We have some free airline tickets coming up and are pretty flexible. The main thing we want to avoid is being shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of people (its OK for us to be around people, I just would prefer to avoid being in a crowd of urban maniacs going after some standard steelhead run near a metropolitan area, if you know what I mean). Anyway, all suggestions are appreciated. We are both pretty comfortable with doing exploratories and the general wilderness adventure scene. I know this request is pretty general. Its the fall season fishing that we are relatively unfamiliar with out there. Thanks for any input. Jon McAnulty

–Jon, If you have never fished the Deschutes river (Oregon) in the fall your missing one of the best rivers in the world to catch steelhead on a fly on the surface.   There will be plenty of room without many fishermen if you go in Oct.   October is when the big "B" class Idaho fish enter the river (15-25lb).   A 20lb steelhead in a fast moving river on a fly rod is a fish of a life time.   Drop me a line if you want more info. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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The full title is "The Habit of Rivers," (Reflections on Trout Streams and Fly Fishing), by Ted Leeson. Its literate and then some, and a useful perspective on NW fishing. Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks for the reply. Any title on that book? I suspect it is obvious but an exact title would help as I will probably have to order it. Thanks again. Jon

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The fall is a great time for fishing the West. My wife and I do our annual regular 2 week car bum in Sept/Oct. Best time for avoiding crowds and in the NW in particular is argueably the best season. Suggest you read Ted Leason’s book for a rundown on the basics of year rounded fishing in the NW. Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thought I’d probe you guys for a few suggestions. My wife and I are going out west in early fall to scope out some property. As part of this trip, we want to take a week for flyfishing (both are avid ff). I am looking for some suggestions as to good places to try. We have fished Montana extensively in the summer but never in the fall. We figured we could go to the Red Lodge or Bozeman area and bum around or perhaps get a guide to float the Yellowstone. Is this a good time (or even worthwhile) to float the Yellowstone (I figure around the big bend area might be best; this is one river we have never fished)? Suggestions? Our other thought is to go to Oregon. We have friends there and could combine the goals of the trip. Again, is this a decent time to go and where would you suggest? We have some free airline tickets coming up and are pretty flexible. The main thing we want to avoid is being shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of people (its OK for us to be around people, I just would prefer to avoid being in a crowd of urban maniacs going after some standard steelhead run near a metropolitan area, if you know what I mean). Anyway, all suggestions are appreciated. We are both pretty comfortable with doing exploratories and the general wilderness adventure scene. I know this request is pretty general. Its the fall season fishing that we are relatively unfamiliar with out there. Thanks for any input. Jon McAnulty

– Mr. G. ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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Bob, While not in the Akron area, I can give some advice re:  fly fishing in Ohio. Recommend you fish a stream in the tailwaters downstream from a dam.    Barring that, get in the middle of any rocky stream with riffles and fish the pools right up against the bank.  My fishing buddies and I are doing well with a 4 or 5 wt. rod with floating line.  We’re catching smallmouth bass, sunfish and crappie with size 6 or 8 surface pan poppers, Sneaky Pete’s and crickets.  I also have had some luck with a size 6 minnow streamer.  Best time is from sunup ’till late morning. Largemouth don’t appear to be at all active in this summer heat; you can try but I wouldn’t spend a lot of time on them.  It’s not Montana or Wyoming, but we’re having a lot of fun!  Forget the lakes; they’re for boat and bait fishing.  And contrary to what the shops tell you (remember, they sell bait), we fly flingers appear to be the only ones catching fish this summer!  The bait people aren’t doing so hot (unless you like catfish and carp), and people going for the big stuff are walking away empty handed.  Even a lot of the big, bad bass fishermen with their 4 quadrillion horsepower motors are docking their boats during July and August.  The only trout stream is the Mad River west of Columbus in the springtime and steelhead up by Lake Erie in the late Fall.  Good luck and good fishing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On my way to ohio for a week 1 Aug, anyone know of any flyfishing to be done there?  I have made some phone calls and the shops all seem to say bring my spinning outfit, which I don’t want to do.  I will be around the Akron area but I will travel to get to a good spot.  Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Bob

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On my way to ohio for a week 1 Aug, anyone know of any flyfishing to be done there?  I have made some phone calls and the shops all seem to say bring my spinning outfit, which I don’t want to do.  I will be around the Akron area but I will travel to get to a good spot.  Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Bob

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If you mean fly-fishing for trout, check out the Clear Fork (south of Mansfield) of the Mad River (around Urbana).  You can find a good write-up of both on the Virtual Flyshop at http://www.flyshop.com/Centers/Midwest/7-98Mad/index.html : On my way to ohio for a week 1 Aug, anyone know of any flyfishing to be done : there?  I have made some phone calls and the shops all seem to say bring my : spinning outfit, which I don’t want to do.  I will be around the Akron area but : I will travel to get to a good spot.  Any info would be greatly appreciated. : Thanks Bob —                        http://members.tripod.com/~trunculo/index

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Sorry to follow-up my own post, but I meant to say Clear Fork *or* Mad River. : If you mean fly-fishing for trout, check out the Clear Fork (south of : Mansfield) of the Mad River (around Urbana).  You can find a good              ^^ —                        http://members.tripod.com/~trunculo/index

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The Mad river is said to be one of the finest trout rivers in the state, however it is a several hour drive to get to it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On my way to ohio for a week 1 Aug, anyone know of any flyfishing to be done there?  I have made some phone calls and the shops all seem to say bring my spinning outfit, which I don’t want to do.  I will be around the Akron area but I will travel to get to a good spot.  Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Bob

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On my way to ohio for a week 1 Aug, anyone know of any flyfishing to be done there?  I have made some phone calls and the shops all seem to say bring my spinning outfit, which I don’t want to do.  I will be around the Akron area but I will travel to get to a good spot.  Any info would be greatly

appreciated. For trout your best shot in the near-Akron area would be the Clear Fork of the Mohican, down around Mansfield.  I’d guess that’s about 50 miles from Akron, though, so it’d be a long haul. Lately the pond and small lake fishing hasn’t been too good.  Bluegills will still bite, but of course bluegills will *always* bite.  The water has warmed up and the largemouths have developed lockjaw, although you might get lucky.  Try some of the ponds in the Cuyahoga Valley National Recreation Area north of Akron.  Stay OUT of the lower Cuyahoga River – too polluted to mess with. If you can get into the upper Cuyahoga (anywhere upstream of the dam in Cuyahoga Falls) you can probably do alright.  Best of luck. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent

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Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent

Not sure, but I think the server on which Ralph has his web site is down. I haven’t  been able to get through either for the last several days. FAS

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Hi-   We live- but our server has been unplugged. We were on the Adventure West Magazine server. Ad West, left for bigger digs in Seattle and in the process, apparently, unplugged their server. They have yet to answer my email or phone class regarding the situation. We WILL reappear, but I’m at a loss as to when, where and under what guise. -Ralph Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent Not sure, but I think the server on which Ralph has his web site is down. I haven’t  been able to get through either for the last several days. FAS

California School of Flyfishing. Fishing conditions, hatch charts, product reviews, tips, techniques and more.  http://www.FLYLINE.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi-   We live- but our server has been unplugged. We were on the Adventure West Magazine server. Ad West, left for bigger digs in Seattle and in the process, apparently, unplugged their server. They have yet to answer my email or phone class regarding the situation. We WILL reappear, but I’m at a loss as to when, where and under what guise. -Ralph Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent Not sure, but I think the server on which Ralph has his web site is down. I haven’t  been able to get through either for the last several days. FAS California School of Flyfishing. Fishing conditions, hatch charts, product reviews, tips, techniques and more.  http://www.FLYLINE.com

Ralph, Could you post a Tahoe area report here? Thanks, Michael Smith

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Anybody out there had any experience on Kelly Creek?  We’re planning a trip in early September and were wondering about fly patterns, sizes, etc.  Any tips? Thanks!

I haven’t fished Kelly since 1972, but back then, in Aug. and Sept. you couldn’t go wrong with any kind of hopper pattern. It’s possible that the fish are more sophisticated now, however. Jim

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Anybody out there had any experience on Kelly Creek?  We’re planning a trip in early September and were wondering about fly patterns, sizes, etc.  Any tips? Thanks!

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Anybody out there had any experience on Kelly Creek?  We’re planning a trip in early September and were wondering about fly patterns, sizes, etc.  Any tips? Thanks!

Hi Kelly creek is great that time of year. The normal flies work well like Wulffs, renegades, para-Adams, EHC, bead heads, compara-duns, H&L, etc. I particularly like an H&L with a renegade on a dropper. Don’t forget hopper for that time of year. Good luck and let us know how things turn out. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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I’m going to be visiting Door County, Wisconsin in mid-August.  We’d like to spend a couple days inland doing some fly fishing.  Can anyone recommend a good stream not too far (2-3 hours) from Green Bay, with some decent beginner water and preferably a good (not too wild) campground nearby?  I’ve read in a guide book of the Wolf River.  Any comments? TIA Greg

You might want to check out the Wisconsin Flyfishing page at http://www.dwave.net/~patrick/ for some useful info. Don’t forget about Green Bay itself, especially if you like to eat (and catch) walleye! — Richard W. (Dick) Lander; sportsman, Macintosh devotee, proponent of personal liberty. *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *   Another day…another chance something will be found hazardous to my health…

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I’m going to be visiting Door County, Wisconsin in mid-August.  We’d like to spend a couple days inland doing some fly fishing.  Can anyone recommend a good stream not too far (2-3 hours) from Green Bay, with some decent beginner water and preferably a good (not too wild) campground nearby?  I’ve read in a guide book of the Wolf River.  Any comments?   TIA Greg

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Wolf River gets pretty warm this time of year.  I’d try the four P’s just northwest of Green Bay…The Pike, Popple, Pine and Peshtigo.  Plenty of camping and BIG trout in those streams with plenty of access.  The Peshtigo gets pretty warm in the summer too though. TO WET LINES AND FULL TUMMYS, Chris Willman La Crosse, Wisconsin

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: Okay, what’s the best (and most frugal) slip bobber stop? : : I’ve always had pretty good luck using rubber bands.  Tie them bellow : the bobber at whatever depth you want and then trim off the excess with : toe-nail clippers. I’ve always used dental floss, tying it around the line using a uni-knot. The major advantage of using the dental floss is that IT NEVER INTERFERES WITH CASTING especially if the depth you set is more than 20′. Rubber bands, mono’s and braided lines will snag your line in the spool when you try long casts causing a backfire pull. There is a way to avoid this: everytime you reel your line you manually put the stop in the back of the spool so that it will not interfere with your casting. I always forget so I only use dental floss, but of course, there is a finesse technique to use it efficiently, otherwise it would come off often and may be more of a problem to a new user.

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Okay, what’s the best (and most frugal) slip bobber stop? I’ve always had pretty good luck using rubber bands.  Tie them bellow the bobber at whatever depth you want and then trim off the excess with toe-nail clippers. — xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jeff Mills                                                     xxx Lexis-Nexis                                                    xxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I usually use a small piece of mono…. Works great and there always some laying around the boat.

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Okay, what’s the best (and most frugal) slip bobber stop? I’ve always had pretty good luck using rubber bands.  Tie them bellow the bobber at whatever depth you want and then trim off the excess with toe-nail clippers. — xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jeff Mills                                                     xxx Lexis-Nexis                                                    xxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, what’s the best (and most frugal) slip bobber stop? I’ve always had pretty good luck using rubber bands.  Tie them bellow the bobber at whatever depth you want and then trim off the excess with toe-nail clippers. — xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jeff Mills                                                     xxx Lexis-Nexis                                                    xxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I usually use a small piece of mono…. Works great and there always some laying around the boat.

In regard to the best slip bobber stops, I feel that braided dacron fishing line of 18 lbs. test or less works well. Heck, even simple kite string has worked very well for me. However, in terms of the "best" and cheapest, I feel that Cortland’s braided "Micron" 20 lb test flyline backing makes the best stopper knots. Sold at most better fly shops, one spool will probably last one a lifetime of float fishing. I like it for its ability to grip the line well, and because it ties a nice, tight, compact, and easy-to-see stopper knot.      For storage on the river, I use six-inch lengths pre-cut and knotted to a size 5 barrel swivel, which is hooked through one of the D-rings or zipper pulls on my vest or rainjacket.This method,combined with the brilliant yellow color, always reminds me that I  have the stopper knot material with me! And I always know just how much of it I have.      Rubber bands work, and I have used them, but they sometimes grab on the guides or more disconcertingly, pop off and allow the weight to sink and snag up. I never did like rubber bands. I have even used 10 lb test monofilament. That works too, provided your floats or beads have small enough holes.

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