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Do you get paid for the number of post you make?

Shit, if this were a payin’ gig, then Wolfgang would be posting from a beach cabana on Moorea, with a topless Polynesian babe taking dictation on one hand and another topping up his drink on the other. Kevin, filling out my application for the executive assistant position.

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Do you get paid for the number of post you make? Shit, if this were a payin’ gig, then Wolfgang would be posting from a beach cabana on Moorea, with a topless Polynesian babe taking dictation on one hand and another topping up his drink on the other.

Not much interested in the Pacific islands.  If this were a paying gig I would donate the proceeds to the Help Jeff Find a Poor Person Foundation. Wolfgang no charge for this one

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Do you get paid for the number of post you make? — Op "Look, strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.  Supreme executive power is derived from a mandate from the masses, not from some  farcical aquatic ceremony.  I mean, if I went around saying I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away. -Dennis the (Bloody) peasant-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are LOTS of reports and info on the Salmon River here: http://www.FishUSA.com/FishSalmonRiver/ Weeks of planning, rod building, fly tying, and preparations came to fruition on Thursday evening as Craig rolled up my driveway for a quick dinner. We’d been trying to stretch this weekend trip into three days, and this year SWMBO had conceded a Thursday night departure to allow us a full day of fishing on Friday. All systems were "go".   I was a bit apprehensive about the 6-hour, high-speed drive in Craig’s Ford Explorer with Firestone Wilderness AT tires; but throwing caution to the wind, we headed for the interstate.   By 1 a.m., we’d made N. Syracuse and found a cheap motel for a few hours of shuteye after taste testing a couple fine bourbons and draining a Sleemans or two.   So far, so good. Thanks to two travel alarms and a beeping wristwatch, we headed north before dawn and made Altmar, NY around 7:30.   Dave (ND#1) was to be just upstream from the Altmar bridge (same spot as his ROFF Faces photo), and after rigging the rods & suiting up, I walked out on the bridge to look for him.   Lots of fishermen, but I couldn’t make out anyone with a "roff on the Rapid" hat. In the river below, however, I could make out a few nice salmon holding in the pool above the bridge.   I’ll look for Dave later. Craig & I fished the pool for about a half hour with no luck.   My casting elbow was sore, and I took a break to walk upstream and checked for Dave again. Still no Dave; and I walked back down to the bridge.   I shouted downstream to Craig that I didn’t see anyone with a matching hat when someone says, "excuse me?" from across the river. It’s Dave.   We exchange greetings and introductions across the water; but not until we break for lunch do we get to shake hands and say hello.   After coaxing a few leftover chili dogs out of the lunch shack women, we sat and chatted a while in the 70 degree sunshine along the Salmon River.   It’s a beautiful day. Dave gives me a hint ("Wait ’til you get home") but is unspecific about some roff goings-on I’ve missed the evening before.   I have a pretty good idea about who’s at the center of it. After lunch, Dave takes me upstream to one of his "good spots".   The river joining from the left tumbles over a wide, rocky shallow into a fast rapid on the main stem.   At the confluence, a long narrow seam of slow water runs along the mouth.   Salmon heading upriver move through and hold in this area, and you can stand in the riffles above and watch them.   Dave’s using a sink tip, and he can skillfully place his orange comet right in their faces.   He gets a lot of hookups and lands a couple before I manage to get into the action myself. We’ re standing so close to the fish, I actually have to stand back from the flow and keep only about 18 inches of line past my tip top.   I’m using a floating line with a couple bb’s, and I have trouble getting down to the fish before the current sweeps my fly past. Eventually I figured out the right combination of location and drift, and I got a good hookup on an orange egg pattern.   After a relatively short and (thankfully) local fight, the salmon ended up in a snapshot before resuming its thoughts of reproduction.   In the last hour before sunset, the action got hot, and Dave and I had at least one double header going.   It would have made a nice roff picture, but with both of us leaning on bent-over rods, we couldn’t enlist another photographer before we lost the fish. Sundown and darkness came too soon, and we had to call it a day.   At Dave’s car, there was just enough light for me to check out his self-made cane rod. Damned nice.   I was sorry it was too dark to try it out.   Day one of the trip ended with us saying goodbye and hoping to meet again in the future. Day two…. Joe F.

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There are LOTS of reports and info on the Salmon River here: http://www.FishUSA.com/FishSalmonRiver/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Weeks of planning, rod building, fly tying, and preparations came to fruition on Thursday evening as Craig rolled up my driveway for a quick dinner.   We’d been trying to stretch this weekend trip into three days, and this year SWMBO had conceded a Thursday night departure to allow us a full day of fishing on Friday. All systems were "go".   I was a bit apprehensive about the 6-hour, high-speed drive in Craig’s Ford Explorer with Firestone Wilderness AT tires; but throwing caution to the wind, we headed for the interstate.   By 1 a.m., we’d made N. Syracuse and found a cheap motel for a few hours of shuteye after taste testing a couple fine bourbons and draining a Sleemans or two.   So far, so good. Thanks to two travel alarms and a beeping wristwatch, we headed north before dawn and made Altmar, NY around 7:30.   Dave (ND#1) was to be just upstream from the Altmar bridge (same spot as his ROFF Faces photo), and after rigging the rods & suiting up, I walked out on the bridge to look for him.   Lots of fishermen, but I couldn’t make out anyone with a "roff on the Rapid" hat.   In the river below, however, I could make out a few nice salmon holding in the pool above the bridge.   I’ll look for Dave later. Craig & I fished the pool for about a half hour with no luck.   My casting elbow was sore, and I took a break to walk upstream and checked for Dave again. Still no Dave; and I walked back down to the bridge.   I shouted downstream to Craig that I didn’t see anyone with a matching hat when someone says, "excuse me?" from across the river. It’s Dave.   We exchange greetings and introductions across the water; but not until we break for lunch do we get to shake hands and say hello.   After coaxing a few leftover chili dogs out of the lunch shack women, we sat and chatted a while in the 70 degree sunshine along the Salmon River.   It’s a beautiful day. Dave gives me a hint ("Wait ’til you get home") but is unspecific about some roff goings-on I’ve missed the evening before.   I have a pretty good idea about who’s at the center of it. After lunch, Dave takes me upstream to one of his "good spots".   The river joining from the left tumbles over a wide, rocky shallow into a fast rapid on the main stem.   At the confluence, a long narrow seam of slow water runs along the mouth.   Salmon heading upriver move through and hold in this area, and you can stand in the riffles above and watch them.   Dave’s using a sink tip, and he can skillfully place his orange comet right in their faces.   He gets a lot of hookups and lands a couple before I manage to get into the action myself.   We’ re standing so close to the fish, I actually have to stand back from the flow and keep only about 18 inches of line past my tip top.   I’m using a floating line with a couple bb’s, and I have trouble getting down to the fish before the current sweeps my fly past. Eventually I figured out the right combination of location and drift, and I got a good hookup on an orange egg pattern.   After a relatively short and (thankfully) local fight, the salmon ended up in a snapshot before resuming its thoughts of reproduction.   In the last hour before sunset, the action got hot, and Dave and I had at least one double header going.   It would have made a nice roff picture, but with both of us leaning on bent-over rods, we couldn’t enlist another photographer before we lost the fish. Sundown and darkness came too soon, and we had to call it a day.   At Dave’s car, there was just enough light for me to check out his self-made cane rod. Damned nice.   I was sorry it was too dark to try it out.   Day one of the trip ended with us saying goodbye and hoping to meet again in the future. Day two…. Joe F.

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I’d promised odd & interesting, but left one oddity out of my day 1 report. Tail hooking the sucker was odd enough, but I demonstrated another example of amazing fly fishing skill on this day.   I caught a rock. I know what you’re thinking, everybody catches rocks all the time.   True enough; but I actually managed to lasso a two-pound rock, reel it in, and land it with a fly rod.   On drifting my fly though a pool, I was able to masterfully swing the fly around the rock and hook it on the tippet in a perfect loop around the center of the rock.   Dave P. was kind enough to document this (actually, I couldn’t stop him) in one of his pics on ABPF. Joe F.

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I hear they tast like chicken

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d promised odd & interesting, but left one oddity out of my day 1 report. Tail hooking the sucker was odd enough, but I demonstrated another example of amazing fly fishing skill on this day.   I caught a rock. I know what you’re thinking, everybody catches rocks all the time.   True enough; but I actually managed to lasso a two-pound rock, reel it in, and land it with a fly rod.   On drifting my fly though a pool, I was able to masterfully swing the fly around the rock and hook it on the tippet in a perfect loop around the center of the rock.   Dave P. was kind enough to document this (actually, I couldn’t stop him) in one of his pics on ABPF. Joe F.

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Weeks of planning, rod building, fly tying, and preparations came to fruition on Thursday evening as Craig rolled up my driveway for a quick dinner.   We’d been trying to stretch this weekend trip into three days, and this year SWMBO had conceded a Thursday night departure to allow us a full day of fishing on Friday. All systems were "go".   I was a bit apprehensive about the 6-hour, high-speed drive in Craig’s Ford Explorer with Firestone Wilderness AT tires; but throwing caution to the wind, we headed for the interstate.   By 1 a.m., we’d made N. Syracuse and found a cheap motel for a few hours of shuteye after taste testing a couple fine bourbons and draining a Sleemans or two.   So far, so good. Thanks to two travel alarms and a beeping wristwatch, we headed north before dawn and made Altmar, NY around 7:30.   Dave (ND#1) was to be just upstream from the Altmar bridge (same spot as his ROFF Faces photo), and after rigging the rods & suiting up, I walked out on the bridge to look for him.   Lots of fishermen, but I couldn’t make out anyone with a "roff on the Rapid" hat.   In the river below, however, I could make out a few nice salmon holding in the pool above the bridge.   I’ll look for Dave later. Craig & I fished the pool for about a half hour with no luck.   My casting elbow was sore, and I took a break to walk upstream and checked for Dave again. Still no Dave; and I walked back down to the bridge.   I shouted downstream to Craig that I didn’t see anyone with a matching hat when someone says, "excuse me?" from across the river. It’s Dave.   We exchange greetings and introductions across the water; but not until we break for lunch do we get to shake hands and say hello.   After coaxing a few leftover chili dogs out of the lunch shack women, we sat and chatted a while in the 70 degree sunshine along the Salmon River.   It’s a beautiful day. Dave gives me a hint ("Wait ’til you get home") but is unspecific about some roff goings-on I’ve missed the evening before.   I have a pretty good idea about who’s at the center of it. After lunch, Dave takes me upstream to one of his "good spots".   The river joining from the left tumbles over a wide, rocky shallow into a fast rapid on the main stem.   At the confluence, a long narrow seam of slow water runs along the mouth.   Salmon heading upriver move through and hold in this area, and you can stand in the riffles above and watch them.   Dave’s using a sink tip, and he can skillfully place his orange comet right in their faces.   He gets a lot of hookups and lands a couple before I manage to get into the action myself.   We’ re standing so close to the fish, I actually have to stand back from the flow and keep only about 18 inches of line past my tip top.   I’m using a floating line with a couple bb’s, and I have trouble getting down to the fish before the current sweeps my fly past. Eventually I figured out the right combination of location and drift, and I got a good hookup on an orange egg pattern.   After a relatively short and (thankfully) local fight, the salmon ended up in a snapshot before resuming its thoughts of reproduction.   In the last hour before sunset, the action got hot, and Dave and I had at least one double header going.   It would have made a nice roff picture, but with both of us leaning on bent-over rods, we couldn’t enlist another photographer before we lost the fish. Sundown and darkness came too soon, and we had to call it a day.   At Dave’s car, there was just enough light for me to check out his self-made cane rod. Damned nice.   I was sorry it was too dark to try it out.   Day one of the trip ended with us saying goodbye and hoping to meet again in the future. Day two…. Joe F.

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As soon as the head is dry, I’ll scan in my first attempt at a neutral buoyancy perch fly and post it to ABPF. The recipe is: Hook:  Rangley 1/0 8X Thread: Uni-thread 3/0 olive Body:  Float foam cut to body shape and loosely tied on. Covered in braided silver mylar tube then covered with pearlescent translucent braided mylar tube. Throat:  Red Floss Belly:  White calf tail. Underwing:  Chartruese Krystal flash Wing:  Chartruese bucktail Overwing: Olive polar bear (substitute olive bucktail) Bars: black permanent marker. Eyes:  Gold and black stick-on We’ll see if it works on Saturday. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I’m an old pike and bass fisherman so it’ll be tough for me to get out of the habit of a firm set when I get that hard smash and big swirl from a big brown.

I trained myself to do this, against instinct, when fishing for bass with minnows on the bottom.  I would use a slip sinker and let the fish run with the minnow until it was "home" or wherever it took it and started to swallow it. The harder the strike, the faster I’d try to drop that rod tip.  A test of nerves, actually, for a young guy to watch that line go out and resist striking.  I’m not suggesting you let a trout run with a streamer, of course. Regards, Jeff

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I use a pattern for smallmouth bass that imitates a stunned, drifting minnow very well – Harry Murray’s Strymph in white. Streamer hook weight the body with lead wire white ostrich herl tail – 8-12 pieces dubbed rabbit fur body (loop dubbed for long shaggy look) long grizzly collar I use a little weight, more toward the head, to give the fly that injured minnow look. I bet it would work well at night – pushes a lot of water.

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I use a pattern for smallmouth bass that imitates a stunned, drifting minnow very well – Harry Murray’s Strymph in white. Streamer hook weight the body with lead wire white ostrich herl tail – 8-12 pieces dubbed rabbit fur body (loop dubbed for long shaggy look) long grizzly collar I use a little weight, more toward the head, to give the fly that injured minnow look. I bet it would work well at night – pushes a lot of water.

My son has had good success with browns at a local pond using white conehead woolly buggers – same general idea. Peter

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Sorry about the interruption. The last trip to the Grand produced a ton of strikes and few fish.  I was using a leftover green ghost from Maine and stripping it fast across current.  About two out of three casts produced a strike with one being hard enough to bend the hook shank yet I only hooked about a half-dozen.  The general consensus around the coffee pot at the flyshop was – the fly was moving so fast and shallow, the browns were whacking it to stun it so they could then swallow it at their lesiure. Since they discovered the fraud on the first hit, they never came back for seconds. This Saturday, I plan on working a weighted perch bucktail pattern much deeper and slower to see if the hookup rate improves.  Anybody else ever encounter this? Peter We now return you to your regularly scheduled political debate.

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Hi Peter, this is fairly common on stillwaters, and occasionally in rivers, most especially with brown trout.  They attack a baitfish to stun or maim it, and then return to leisurely mop it up.  The trick here is, as soon as you get a strike, slacken up, and even pay out line if necessary, so that your streamer tumbles and sinks as if wounded or stunned. Surprisingly this often results in a solid take, when the attacking fish returns to mop it up. Fish are sometimes hooked quite deeply doing this, as they take very confidently indeed, knowing that the "stunned" fish can not escape. The only difficulty involved sometimes, is actually detecting the take itself, although as I said, most such fish take so confidently and deeply, that you can not miss them, often you will see the slack line shooting away as the fish swims off with its prize, which it has taken "on the drop"..  I usually wait about fifteen seconds or so after "slackening up", fish the cast out dead drift, and then either strike when the line moves, or simply tighten up again, invariably the fish is on.  In fast water five seconds should be enough.  Once a fish hits a baitfish, it does not expect it to keep on swimming or "fleeing" as normal, and you are unlikely to get a second hit on the same streamer from the same fish using a "normal" fast retrieve. I think it unlikely that fish detect the fraud so easily on the take, especially with streamers, as many bait fish have hard fins etc, and this does not prevent the fish attacking them. If the fish is pricked on the first hit,( especially enough to bend a hook ),  it might not come back, but this has not been my experience.  Most of my really large fish have been caught in this manner, usually at night. This behaviour is most predominant when bait fish ( like minnows etc ) are shoaling, but may actually occur at any time. One stream I fish has a good population of bullheads, and a muddler minnow fished deep in this manner invariably accounts for a couple of good fish at any time. Nearly all the fish are taken "on the drop", after the first strike, although occasionally one is hooked directly, although often with a bad hookhold, which leads me to believe that the fish are not trying to take it the first time around, but stun, or kill it, with the specific intention of mopping up the result. Fishing deep and slow usually results in less hits in such circumstances, but more solid "direct" hook ups, the fish then being hooked when it strikes the first time.. TL MC — "If you have tried everything you know, and nothing works, then perhaps it is time to accept that you don

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make any difference what I write about.  They will always be there.  The idea is to learn how to nymph fish with words so as to avoid them.  I suppose I will have to nymph fish with just a bare hook from now on? LOL! Actually, WINTER is like fly fishing.  It is a contemplative man’s sport.  It is a good season and the time to get those flies tied and to clean out all the beat up flies and give them to our children.  (Or to those who don’t tie but still like to fly fish).   While the eastern sea board of this country enjoy the blanket of snow that has been so long overdue so that they can have a fresh water supply later into the year then of the recent past, I can visualize Walt Winter, Tom Brown, Wayne Harrison, Jeff Miller, and other gentlemen of the realm, sipping a libation and tying those diminutive little creations that fool very big fish. Fly-Maker’s Wax could/should be mentioned here because since Mike Overton’s untimely death, this is the improved product that originally was Wonder Wax.  What is amazing about having a nice wax on the fly tying bench is that these tubes last for over ten or more years for the majority of fly tiers.  For the commercial tier, they don’t last as long.  Maybe a year or a little more. What I want to talk about is fly tying wax at the vise site.  With the choice we use, there are some interesting features regarding the old and new formulas that cannot be found in any other waxes in the world.   When dubbing, the idea is to understand that "The Smaller the Fly, The Greater the Need" when it comes to using wax or not.  This is because greater control is required to lay the small amount of dubbing on a size #22 hook in such a manner as to form the body shape that is defined, not guessed at.   With the tube of wax right at hand, I have two basic choices on how to apply the wax and/or dubbing.  The first way is to simply stroke a little wax down the dubbing section of the thread to be used.  The second way is to take the shooting finger of your hand and simply rubbing it across the wax and then take a little dubbing and apply it to the thread, spinning in only one direction.   After one uses the latter method, a secret few know is if one has a little cloth on their lap, it is a simple matter to use just PRESSURE and the wax comes off the finger tips.  This wax grabs or releases depending upon the amount of pressure applied.  It is the only wax in the industry that will do this. I like perfectly formed flies.  They should almost look like the real thing.  The personality of fly tying materials are as varied as one could hope for.  Some of it needs to be forced into behaving correctly. A good Fly-Tying Wax will do that. A good wax will also help preserve the threads used that bind a fly for well over a hundred years.  The wax must have as near a neutral bouyance as possible.  In the water, it should not try to float the fly nor sink it.  That feature should be left up to other means. What about scents used in some brands of waxes is a personal choice, I suppose.  We don’t do that as our product has its own distinctive wax oder.  It comes from the base bee’s wax that is found in only one part of the United States and is a guarded secret.  To be perfectly frank, we suspect trout have no objection to ours on a sensory level.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained I suppose. If you wish to know more about fly tying waxes, visit the url below. Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/gg_flymakers.html http://www.gink.com/

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Gerkhe Gentlemen don’t spam the news groups to turn a buck.

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Gerkhe Gentlemen don’t spam the news groups to turn a buck.

______  If and when we do, I’ll let you know.  I’d appreciate it if you would stick to fly fishing Plado.   Thank you, Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/gg_flymakers.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Truly clueless.  Does not even realize what spam is.

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Something like this happened to me. As I am an avis fly fisherman for atlantic salmon and sea trout, I used to fish a remote strech of a river. Over the years I discovered many spots that regularily hold sea trouts but does not look appealing to fish so the majority of other fisherman pass over them without stopping. I teached a coworker how to fly fish and bring him there with me many time the first years together so he also knew my best spots. The year after he bring one of his friend and another one who bring another one…  This gave me a good lesson.When you want a secret to stay secret, keep it for you. — Carol Dugas Caplan Quebec

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Over the years I discovered many spots that regularily hold sea trouts but does not look appealing to fish so the majority of other fisherman pass over them without stopping.

In what way did it look unappealing?  What first made you decide to fish there? Mu

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Well, it’s been a couple weeks since the idea lit up, caught fire briefly and fizzled, so I thought I’d try posting a reminder. For you newbies: I am compiling a directory of ROFF members, initially to allow ROFF members travelling to another state to maybe look up a fellow member to share some local knowledge, some time on a stream or a cold beer together.   To participate, send me your screen name and state.   Other info, such as you real name, home city, age, home waters, occupation, etc. is optional (most so far have shared most of these).   You can surrender as little anonymity as you are comfortable with.   None of this info will be shared by me outside this group or with commercial concerns. For the "experienced" ROFFians: Awright goddammit, where the hell are ya?   A lousy 50 names in three weeks? What about the rest of ya?   You know who you are!   Seriously though, I am hoping some of the discussions about file size, databases or other esoteric computer shit didn’t put anybody off (responses dropped like a stone shortly after that).   I’d like to see this grow to a potentially useful tool for everybody.   If you post regularly or even occasionally, send me your info (see above). Joe F.

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Ok Joe, Didn’t see the last thread, musta been fishn’ or drinkn’ or sleeping as far as I know? Tim Apple Rockford IL Good smallmouth and some trout(top secret on the trout thing, about 5 people in the world know where they are.) Also finally figured out how to get walleye on the fly, good fishing for em’ to. I’d give you my address but I’m going in the Coast Guard soon and it wouldn’t do ya much good unless you cruise by in the next 2 months or so. see ya Tim Apple — "Bamboo is Better"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, it’s been a couple weeks since the idea lit up, caught fire briefly and fizzled, so I thought I’d try posting a reminder. For you newbies: I am compiling a directory of ROFF members, initially to allow ROFF members travelling to another state to maybe look up a fellow member to share some local knowledge, some time on a stream or a cold beer together.   To participate, send me your screen name and state.   Other info, such as you real name, home city, age, home waters, occupation, etc. is optional (most so far have shared most of these).   You can surrender as little anonymity as you are comfortable with.   None of this info will be shared by me outside this group or with commercial concerns. For the "experienced" ROFFians: Awright goddammit, where the hell are ya?   A lousy 50 names in three weeks? What about the rest of ya?   You know who you are!   Seriously though, I am hoping some of the discussions about file size, databases or other esoteric computer shit didn’t put anybody off (responses dropped like a stone shortly after that).   I’d like to see this grow to a potentially useful tool for everybody.   If you post regularly or even occasionally, send me your info (see above). Joe F.

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My current job allows me to travel just about anywhere on weekends.  So, I like to fly to Montana and go fly fishing.  The problem is not too many of my friends can join me.  So, I was wondering if there are people in Montana (Butte, Bozeman, Missoula areas) that would mind me joining them fly fishing on some weekends. Please E-mail me if your interested thanks John

Hi John This is always a possibility depending on weekend, work, etc. Stay in touch and we’ll see what happens. By the way, we have lots of snow pack this year so will probably have run-off well into the season. We had less snow last year and the Yellowstone did not really start fishing until the first of August. Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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My current job allows me to travel just about anywhere on weekends.  So, I like to fly to Montana and go fly fishing.  The problem is not too many of my friends can join me.  So, I was wondering if there are people in Montana (Butte, Bozeman, Missoula areas) that would mind me joining them fly fishing on some weekends. Please E-mail me if your interested thanks John

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Seeing the thread that started all this, it is rather clear that Mr. Gherke has confused ‘libel’ with ’satire’ and ‘parody’. He might wish to consider that his position as a ‘public figure’ here and as owner of the company makes it _much_ more difficult to prove libel, especially given his past posts, before further lining his attorney’s pockets to no avail.

I’m sure thousands of dollars are being spent in his lab right now to prove conclusively that the only way to serve papers is with the left hand, never never the right, and that those who do serve papers with the right loose their targets in the vital first few seconds of the process.  People just don’t appreciate what an atheletic feat it is to serve papers.

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[ Article crossposted from rec.arts.poems,rec.outdoors.fly.fishing ] [ Author was Tim Patterson ] Oops! I just noticed that you were worried about The Jerhk’s = reputation with regard to his PRODUCT. Now, you obviously weren’t referring to his execrable verse, so you must be talking = about his fishing products, in which case, you posted this on the wrong group, so I’ve sent it to where it belongs.

<<big snip Seeing the thread that started all this, it is rather clear that Mr. Gherke has confused ‘libel’ with ’satire’ and ‘parody’. He might wish to consider that his position as a ‘public figure’ here and as owner of the company makes it _much_ more difficult to prove libel, especially given his past posts, before further lining his attorney’s pockets to no avail. — Joe Ellis     o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |  TesserAct Studios ()XDarwin(;        Now on the Web at      | Cincinnati, OH 45240 / /~LL~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 |New Dimensions In Filk! Unsolicited commercial E-mail will be proofread at $25 hr/2 hr min.

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0] : [ Article crossposted from rec.arts.poems,rec.outdoors.fly.fishing ] : [ Author was Tim Patterson ] : : Oops! I just noticed that you were worried about The Jerhk’s = : reputation with regard to his PRODUCT. Now, you obviously : weren’t referring to his execrable verse, so you must be talking = : about his fishing products, in which case, you posted this on : the wrong group, so I’ve sent it to where it belongs. : <<big snip : Seeing the thread that started all this, it is rather clear that Mr. Gherke : has confused ‘libel’ with ’satire’ and ‘parody’. He might wish to consider : that his position as a ‘public figure’ here and as owner of the company : makes it _much_ more difficult to prove libel, especially given his past : posts, before further lining his attorney’s pockets to no avail. : — : Joe Ellis     o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |  TesserAct Studios : ()XDarwin(;        Now on the Web at      | Cincinnati, OH 45240 : / /~LL~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 |New Dimensions In Filk! : Unsolicited commercial E-mail will be proofread at $25 hr/2 hr min. While the original post was certainly scurrilous, Mr. G. may not wish to perform the necessary public demonstration to prove conclusively that it was libel Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (415)-857-5491               Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971

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[ Article crossposted from rec.arts.poems,rec.outdoors.fly.fishing ] [ Author was Tim Patterson ] Oops! I just noticed that you were worried about The Jerhk’s = reputation with regard to his PRODUCT. Now, you obviously weren’t referring to his execrable verse, so you must be talking = about his fishing products, in which case, you posted this on the wrong group, so I’ve sent it to where it belongs. Of course, you still have to show that the poem itself was libellous and that Gehrke’s penis size in some way relates to the quality of his product. You’ll probably also have to prove that his penis is not below avergae size, but I think that would require a specialist to determine (preferably a brave volunteer). This is all asuming that you were refering to my little ode and not one of the many other flames that "Mr. G." seems to have called down upon himself on rec.arts.poems. He sure has a winning way with folk, does ol’ George!         Tim the ever helpful  :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – = Your libalist poetry is something we don’t think we care to bring to Mr= =2E Gehrke’s attention for we are sure you are as close to a libelous, lega= l law suit as you can get . . . and I can state for all certainty, you do= not want to pursue this line of defamation on a man that makes his living producing wonderful products for the American People.  He doesn’= t do it to you and your products and it isn’t fair,  that you do such a low-down, unkind thing to this wonderful, warm, giving human being. That you think (for Mr. Gehrke) that he should not take offense only speaks ill of those standards that are below him and the staff here at this company. = I would cease and disist if I were you.  I would not dare show him this= insult to his integrity and coarse you have embarked upon.  It really serves no purpose.  You do not want to test this man in court.  I assur= e you of this sirs. = Again, I strongly advise that you stop this deflamation of character immediately and post a retraction for your SLANDEROUS remarks.  I canno= t stress this important point to you strong enough. This company will not= tolerate this public abuse on a world-wide format. =  li=B7bel (l=BA=93b=85l) Law. n. 1.a. A false publication in writing, p= rinting, or typewriting or in signs or pictures that maliciously damages a person’s reputation. b. The act or an instance of presenting such a statement to the public. 2. The written claims presented by a plaintiff= in an action at admiralty law or to an ecclesiastical court. –li=B7bel= tr.v. li=B7beled or li=B7belled, li=B7bel=B7ing or li=B7bel=B7ling, li=B7= bels or li=B7bels. To communicate a false statement about in writing or by mean= s of signs or pictures. –li=93bel=B7er or li=93bel=B7ist n. = Sincerely, = Mr. W.H. / Executive Secretary & Mrs Gladys M. Gehrke with copies sent:= cc/Mr. H. Cross / Patent Attorney cc/ B. Schroeder/ Law Firm/Spokane Washington Federal Law Division

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                     Thank you for stopping to read this       Hi, my name is Ash and I am currently doing reserch on the pschology of fly fishing. Through my reserch I found Abraham Maslow’s "hierarchy of needs" It is a pyramid which outlines our needs as humans. It states the following with physioloical needs being at the base. HIERARCHY OF NEEDS 1) Self-actualization needs     to find self- fulfillment amd realize one’s potential 2) Aesthetic  needs     symmetry, order, and beauty 3) Cognitive needs     to know, understand, and explore 4)  Esteem needs      to achieve, be competent, and gain approval and recognition 5)  Belongingness and love needs      to affiliate with others, be accepted, and belong 6)  Safety needs      feel secure and safe, out of danger 7)  Physiological needs      hunger, thirst, and so forth If you could please explain in detail how fly fishing meets these needs and if not why ?  What needs are being met by fly fishing. Thanks a lot for being apart of this. Once completed I will post my results on ths board so you may all see the results.

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Sorry pal, I’m to busy fly fishing and meeting my needs. Guess you’ll have to do the owrk yourself. Gone Fishing Lolo Mt

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7)  Physiological needs

In fly fishing, the difference between "want" and "need" is irrelevant.                                                 Randy Lutz

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Classic Sports International will hold several CME CAT.1 approved Medical-Dental-Legal seminars at great fly fishing locations this year including Peace & Plenty Bonefish Lodge,Exuma,Bahamas(May 29-June 2) Five Rivers Lodge, Montana(June 26-30) and King Salmon Lodge,Alaska

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Classic Sports International will hold several CME CAT.1 approved Medical-Dental-Legal seminars at great fly fishing locations this year including Peace & Plenty Bonefish Lodge,Exuma,Bahamas(May 29-June 2) Five Rivers Lodge, Montana(June 26-30) and King Salmon Lodge,Alaska

No Doctors or Attorneys wanted Please do not attempt to book trips with me After 20 years of outfitting I refuse to take Doc’s or Sharks Go to Montana and fish for no talent ,stupid cutthroat or Alaska,another If your looking to bilk us taxpayers for your fishing trips see above post As an American I can honestly say we are proud that you are so concerned about your continuing education that you feel WE should pay for it. Bend over America here come the Doc’s & Sharks

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   I am going to build some baitcasting rods and a flyrod.  Could somebody tell me the best way to order Sage blanks?  Can they be ordered directly from Sage?  Also where can I get rod components (cork, reel seat, guides, etc…) by mail order catalog. Thanks in advance, Chad — |          307 SW 16th Ave #349 G-ville, Fl 32601             | |                Voice: (904)377-3807                         | |                  Fax: (904)375-0357                         |

Dale Clemens (a mail order house) sells blanks, components, and training material.  Don’t have there address or number here at work but I’m sure someone on the net must.  None of the houses I know of sell Sage Blanks but our local Fly Fishing Speciality Shop does.  They also have some Sage Blem Blanks (at least they did a couple of weeks back).  Give them a call and tell them I sent you.  Ask for Dave, if he is in, but any of the guys there are very competent.  They also have all the components you might need.   The Angler’s Covey Inc.   917 W. Colorado Ave   Colorado Springs, CO. 80905   1-800-753-4746 Good Luck, Bryan Remember:  Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death.               It is much more important than that!            Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.               Teach a man to fish and you get rid of him on weekends. Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone. Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I’ve never let that stop me before.     P.O. BOX 2197             |    Many men go fishing all their lives without Colorado Springs, Co 80901|    knowing that it is not fish they are after.

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        I am going to build some baitcasting rods and a flyrod.  Could somebody tell me the best way to order Sage blanks?  Can they be ordered directly from Sage?  Also where can I get rod components (cork, reel seat, guides, etc…) by mail order catalog. Thanks in advance, Chad — |          307 SW 16th Ave #349 G-ville, Fl 32601             | |                Voice: (904)377-3807                         | |                  Fax: (904)375-0357                         |

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