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"Bugger" As I suspected. Why don’t you guys just tell newcomers in the beginning that they are not welcome? This group is clearly a waste of time. Bug

Not sure that’s fair. In my time here (relatively short) I have been called a spammer, an asshole, a pompous git, a wanker, and a myriad of other things, but no one ever said I wasn’t welcome. Of course, I wouldn’t give a shit either way. It seems your response is a bit premature as you certainly don’t seem to have achieved a consensus about your being welcome or not at a clave. In fact I think you should turn up, I might actually spring for an airfare for that one myself. Clark

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    Not sure that’s fair. In my time here (relatively short) I have been called   a spammer, an asshole, a pompous git, a wanker, and a myriad of other   things, but no one ever said I wasn’t welcome.     Of course, I wouldn’t give a shit either way. It seems your response is a   bit premature as you certainly don’t seem to have achieved a consensus about   your being welcome or not at a clave. In fact I think you should turn up, I   might actually spring for an airfare for that one myself. I’d make a point of being there too. I’d like to fish with you. Willi

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Congrats, Mark. Keep the log book up to date, keep it between the lines, Just Say No To Overdrive, and best of luck. /daytripper (Hey! Now I can say "some of my best friends are truckers"!

Thank you kindly good sir! I will heed your advice, and look for you on my trips up North. yfitons, Op  –plagarist, just this once–

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As I suspected. Why don’t you guys just tell newcomers in the beginning that they are not welcome? This group is clearly a waste of time. Bug

You seem to have discounted my reply? I suggest that you just show up at a ‘clave and be your *real* self.  Just ask Jeff C. about it. Op

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This group is clearly a waste of time.

That’s why we stick around. Mu

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This group is clearly a waste of time. That’s why we stick around. Mu

"What?  Did he expect Ichor?" GG :  ) www.gink.com

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"What?  Did he expect Ichor?"

You mean Marty Feldman’s character in Young Frankenstein? Mu

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If I am following this thread reasonably accurately, it appears that if I have the balls to show up, I will be granted some modicum of tolerance to demonstrate that the *real* me is very different from the *virtual* me. Feel free to correct me. (Rhetorical.) Bug et al. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They sound like they could be a lot of fun. Are they by invitation only? Bug

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If I am following this thread reasonably accurately, it appears that if I have the balls to show up, I will be granted some modicum of tolerance to demonstrate that the *real* me is very different from the *virtual* me.

I think eees got it! I think eeezzzzz got it! Now wherez the rhain in Spain? "In the p____!" (Fill in) "In the p____!" (Fill in) (Just don’t volunteer to run the raffle) Dave

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(Just don’t volunteer to run the raffle)

And everyone count your fingers after shaking hands with him.

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They sound like they could be a lot of fun. Are they by invitation only? Bug

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They sound like they could be a lot of fun. Are they by invitation only? Bug

Not since I’ve been a part of ROFF! Just show-up and fish with lots-o-good folk. Op

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They sound like they could be a lot of fun.

They are. Are they by invitation only? Bug

Yes.   Die. Wolfgang

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They sound like they could be a lot of fun. They are. Are they by invitation only? Bug Yes. Die. Wolfgang

Now, now Wolfie.  I find it hard to believe that your last statement is heart-felt? Op  –say it ain’t so, Please.–

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They sound like they could be a lot of fun. Are they by invitation only? Bug

Just do me one small favor, please, Collier. Stick to the claves out East.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They sound like they could be a lot of fun. They are. Are they by invitation only? Bug Yes. Die. Wolfgang Now, now Wolfie.  I find it hard to believe that your last statement is heart-felt? Op  –say it ain’t so, Please.–

Sorry, Op, it’s my name.  I take it very seriously. Wolfgang and i mean it.

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Sorry, Op, it’s my name.  I take it very seriously. Wolfgang and i mean it.

My mistake!  I was talkin’ about the other last statement, as you know I would never make light of you name.  Well not since the first and last time I did when first I found ROFF.  You remember, I’m sure. Op  –nonetheless, sure wish I could have made it to the anti-clave this year– P.S.  I begin truckin’ on the 19th of Nov., if all goes well with drug test, health exam (not mental, thankfully), and road test.  So I may be in your neck of the woods in the near future, as Cargo Transporters go everywhere in the US and Canada…..OK, they don’t do Hawaii or Alaska.

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Sorry, Op, it’s my name.  I take it very seriously. Wolfgang and i mean it. My mistake!  I was talkin’ about the other last statement,

Oh, that.  Now, why in the world would anyone care what someone says to a tetherball? as you know I would never make light of you name.  

Well, as I said, I take it seriously.  That said though, I can’t imagine why anyone else should. Well not since the first and last time I did when first I found ROFF.  You remember, I’m sure.

Ah, those were some days, ainna?    :) Op  –nonetheless, sure wish I could have made it to the anti-clave this year–

P.S.  I begin truckin’ on the 19th of Nov., if all goes well with drug test, health exam (not mental, thankfully), and road test.  So I may be in your neck of the woods in the near future, as Cargo Transporters go everywhere in the US and Canada…..OK, they don’t do Hawaii or Alaska.

The next month or so will still allow swinging a fly line in much of Wisconsin (although opportunities to chase trout are severely limited) but after that it’s pretty much hard water fishing till some time in late March or April.  You get up this way, give us a holler.  We’ll see if we can roust Joel, George, and maybe even Kim out of hibernation for a bit…….they’re apt to be a bit surly when awakened at this late season but they can usually be calmed down with a handful of berries or a marmot or something. Wolfgang

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They sound like they could be a lot of fun. They are. Are they by invitation only? Bug Yes.   Die.

<splork!

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They sound like they could be a lot of fun. Are they by invitation only? Bug

Let’s just say you can be "not invited".

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They sound like they could be a lot of fun. Are they by invitation only? Bug Just do me one small favor, please, Collier. Stick to the claves out East.

I dunno. He could be big on spontaneity. <g — TL, Tim

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P.S.  I begin truckin’ on the 19th of Nov., if all goes well with drug test, health exam (not mental, thankfully), and road test.  So I may be in your neck of the woods in the near future, as Cargo Transporters go everywhere in the US and Canada…..OK, they don’t do Hawaii or Alaska.

Congrats, Mark. Keep the log book up to date, keep it between the lines, Just Say No To Overdrive, and best of luck. /daytripper (Hey! Now I can say "some of my best friends are truckers"!

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As I suspected. Why don’t you guys just tell newcomers in the beginning that they are not welcome? This group is clearly a waste of time. Bug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They sound like they could be a lot of fun. Are they by invitation only? Bug Let’s just say you can be "not invited".

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As I suspected. Why don’t you guys just tell newcomers in the beginning that they are not welcome?

    in your case, that condition should have been immediately clear.  This group is clearly a waste of time.

    no doubt. Bug

awh

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We tell virtually all newcomers right from the start that they *are* welcome.  hint hint But what the hell – just show up and prove us all wrong.

As I suspected. Why don’t you guys just tell newcomers in the beginning that they are not welcome? This group is clearly a waste of time. Bug

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They sound like they could be a lot of fun. Are they by invitation only? Bug Let’s just say you can be "not invited".

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Hey Folks, Does anyone have any advice on where to go in Southern Wisconsin for a short flyfishing trip. Don’t know much about the area and I’m traeling from Western Indiana. Thanks in advance. Elliott

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"ilmbaba" wrote… Hey Folks, Does anyone have any advice on where to go in Southern Wisconsin for a short flyfishing trip. Don’t know much about the area and I’m traeling from Western Indiana. Thanks in advance. Elliott

What is your definition of Souther Wisconsin? What is your definition of a short flyfishing trip? Are you fishing for trout or other species? From Madison west to the Mississippi. From 30 miles south of Madison to over 100 miles north of Madison are 100 trout streams or more. Contact the Wisc. DNR. Contact the Madison Chapter of TU.   Get on the web and do a search.   You’ll find something I’m sure. Good luck. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "ilmbaba" wrote… Hey Folks, Does anyone have any advice on where to go in Southern Wisconsin for a short flyfishing trip. Don’t know much about the area and I’m traeling from Western Indiana. Thanks in advance. Elliott What is your definition of Souther Wisconsin? What is your definition of a short flyfishing trip? Are you fishing for trout or other species? From Madison west to the Mississippi. From 30 miles south of Madison to over 100 miles north of Madison are 100 trout streams or more. Contact the Wisc. DNR. Contact the Madison Chapter of TU.   Get on the web and do a search.   You’ll find something I’m sure. Good luck.

Or you could just contact Wolfgang since he thinks telling everybody about the streams he fishes is okay.  He doesn’t mind the impact and enjoys the company. Perhaps he can even recommend some good books or magazines too. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "ilmbaba" wrote… Hey Folks, Does anyone have any advice on where to go in Southern Wisconsin for a short flyfishing trip. Don’t know much about the area and I’m traeling from Western Indiana. Thanks in advance. Elliott What is your definition of Souther Wisconsin? What is your definition of a short flyfishing trip? Are you fishing for trout or other species? From Madison west to the Mississippi. From 30 miles south of Madison to over 100 miles north of Madison are 100 trout streams or more. Contact the Wisc. DNR. Contact the Madison Chapter of TU. Get on the web and do a search. You’ll find something I’m sure. Good luck. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

Sorry for being so vague. Southern Wisconsin would be from a little above Madison or so. I am aiming for trout (or getting laughed at by same said trout). Short would be two to 2 1/2 days including travel. I have done alot of research and there are, as you said, alot of streams. I guess what I’m looking for is info from folks that have fished some of them and if anyone has an idea of which ones to try first or avoid.

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Hi guys! I just a gift certificate to Academy for my birthday, and was wondering if I should get a fly pole setup and some string and lures, or an Uzi. I saw some real slick guy in a movie fishing like this, and it sure looked like fun.  Here’s the thing: I fished for bass or something once at a company picnic with a bait pole, but the guy that lent it to me couldn’t seem to help me from getting "backlasted" I think he called it. It had something to do with my thumb.  Anyway, I checked and fly fishing doesn’t need a thumb on the string on the reel, right?  I should be ok there.  Anyway, I live near water, so what pole setup should I get?  How about lures?  How long is a piece of fly string?  How far is up?  Where do clouds go?  What kind of beer do real fly people drink?  How do the lures float?  What sort of religion should I join?  Wanna buy some freaky Commie porn?  Why do the English drink warm beer?  Wanna see my war wounds?  How do you spell cat?  Do blonds have more fun?  Can I watch? Thanks! Norm F.

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Uh Norm, go for the Uzi. {:-) George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi guys! I just a gift certificate to Academy for my birthday, and was wondering if I should get a fly pole setup and some string and lures, or an Uzi. I saw some real slick guy in a movie fishing like this, and it sure looked like fun.  Here’s the thing: I fished for bass or something once at a company picnic with a bait pole, but the guy that lent it to me couldn’t seem to help me from getting "backlasted" I think he called it. It had something to do with my thumb.  Anyway, I checked and fly fishing doesn’t need a thumb on the string on the reel, right?  I should be ok there.  Anyway, I live near water, so what pole setup should I get?  How about lures?  How long is a piece of fly string?  How far is up?  Where do clouds go?  What kind of beer do real fly people drink?  How do the lures float?  What sort of religion should I join?  Wanna buy some freaky Commie porn?  Why do the English drink warm beer?  Wanna see my war wounds?  How do you spell cat?  Do blonds have more fun?  Can I watch? Thanks! Norm F.

Could’ve been written by the infamous Tony Germunga. /daytripper (Right, "R"? ;^)

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Hi guys! I just a gift certificate to Academy for my birthday, and was wondering if I should get a fly pole setup and some string and lures, or an Uzi.

Go with the Uzi. Vegetables aren’t food. Vegetables are what the food eats.

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Don’t worry too much about the rod, reel, line, flies, etc., but spend a lot of time carefully picking out some really great vests, hats, wading sticks, etc.   As my (fly fishing) sister is fond of saying, "It doesn’t matter if you catch fish as long as you *look* cool." Real fly fishermen don’t drink beer, unless it is a custom brew that no one else knows about.   The name of the game is ‘one-upmanship,’ which, again, is far more important than the fish you catch (which you can lie about, anyway). Yes, blondes have more fun – they’re easier to find in the dark. Enjoy the Uzi.  Try not to shoot your eye out. Max Before you buy.

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Git the Uzi.  Don’t ferget, to cleen the packing greese out of the barrell you need to pack sand from 1/2 inch above the chamber to the muzzle before the first round, oderwise the greese might ruin de rifling. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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pack sand from 1/2 inch above the chamber to the muzzle before the first round

With a troll name like that (invective?), the barrel of a gun is not where he needs to pound sand.                Frank Before you buy.

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Could’ve been written by the infamous Tony Germunga. /daytripper (Right, "R"? ;^)

Yeah, flash.net and Agent kinda give it away<g. — Charlie…

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Could’ve been written by the infamous Tony Germunga. /daytripper (Right, "R"? ;^) Yeah, flash.net and Agent kinda give it away<g. — Charlie…

They are meant to…an occasional "joke munge" is OK, but a true forgery never is.   As to Tony, I _was not_ the infamous Tony "Lil’ Pussy" Germunga.  In fact, I rather like Coleman products. <G R

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They are meant to…

Understood, I never expected you were really trying to hide – that’s too easily done<g. — Charlie…

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I need to organise a flyfishing competition for fathers day and I need a couple of ideas on how to go about it. We’re doing this in a shopping mall parking lot so we’re just concentrating on casting (distance or accuracy). Does any body have any suggestions that will allow novices as well as experts to have a good time? Ari

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I need to organise a flyfishing competition for fathers day and I need a couple of ideas on how to go about it. We’re doing this in a shopping mall parking lot so we’re just concentrating on casting (distance or accuracy). Does any body have any suggestions that will allow novices as well as experts to have a good time? Ari

        1.  paint a strip of the parking lot various shades of blue and green in an "s" curve about 90′ long.         2.  drag a few rocks from nearby rural areas into the parking lot and place them randomly within your painted area.         3.  cut out "fish" profiles from 1/4 inch plywood, paint them silver with a big red stripe down the middle and place them near the rocks.         4.  have large signs painted with the word "mountains" on them, and direct several beautiful, nubile women to hold them above their heads from time to time, placing the women on either side of the painted area.         5.  purchase a roff clave t-shirt for each of the women, ban or burn their bras, and hose them down every 5 or 10 minutes with tepid water.  the shirts can be purchased from little wayno’s outfitters (we never close) for the paltry sum of $50 each, including shipping.         6.  serve "carolina see-throughs" (vodka, tonic, no lime) to each contestant upon demand.         if you will follow those simple instructions, you won’t have to worry about silly impediments like rules or prizes.         as forty would say, "you’re welcome". for the firm wayno

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Thanks Man, Sounds cool for a sunny day but we’re in the middle of bloody winter over here and all the nubile girls round here know how rude it is to point. Oh and if we could attend any of your competitions over there that would be just great. Cheers Ari – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to organise a flyfishing competition for fathers day and I need a couple of ideas on how to go about it. We’re doing this in a shopping mall parking lot so we’re just concentrating on casting (distance or accuracy). Does any body have any suggestions that will allow novices as well as experts to have a good time? Ari    1.  paint a strip of the parking lot various shades of blue and green in an "s" curve about 90′ long.    2.  drag a few rocks from nearby rural areas into the parking lot and place them randomly within your painted area.    3.  cut out "fish" profiles from 1/4 inch plywood, paint them silver with a big red stripe down the middle and place them near the rocks.    4.  have large signs painted with the word "mountains" on them, and direct several beautiful, nubile women to hold them above their heads from time to time, placing the women on either side of the painted area.    5.  purchase a roff clave t-shirt for each of the women, ban or burn their bras, and hose them down every 5 or 10 minutes with tepid water.  the shirts can be purchased from little wayno’s outfitters (we never close) for the paltry sum of $50 each, including shipping.    6.  serve "carolina see-throughs" (vodka, tonic, no lime) to each contestant upon demand.    if you will follow those simple instructions, you won’t have to worry about silly impediments like rules or prizes.    as forty would say, "you’re welcome". for the firm wayno

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 Saw one where they put a Hulahoop on a ten foot pole and you have to cast through it, i.e. your whole loop.  The pole is 15 foot in front of the caster.  Prizes for those who make it through the most time in succession.                 Frank Reid

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Ari, some of the following have worked well in the past: whip some rings on a broomstick, and have a distance competition with this. ( Use cheap line ! ) Obtain a plastic blow up animal such as is used on the beach, or a rocking horse, or similar. Contestants must cast to dinner plates placed at suitable distances while a couple of guys "rock the boat". Ten, twenty, thirty feet, etc. Tie a twenty foot  length of limp string to a garden cane, and a leader to this. Accuracy is the goal here. Cast only with the butt of a two piece rod.  And then only with the tip. Distance cast "from the hand", no rod or reel allowed. Casting with two rods simultaneously to two separate targets. A knot tying competition. Blindfold casting.  The rod is placed in the blindfolded persons hand, he is "turned around fast a few times", and has to try and hit the target from memory. " The golden shot", same as the blindfold, but one person gives directions to the caster, using only the words "left", "right", "cast". Get a washing up bowl or similar, attach this to a piece of string, this is pulled along by two volunteers, and the caster must hit the moving target. Roll casting a hosepipe. ( Be careful you have plenty of space here, if it hits anybody it hurts ! ). Roll casting a rope. There are lots of others, but these have always worked well and provided a lot of amusement, and some surprises. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Hi Ari, some of the following have worked well in the past: whip some rings on a broomstick, and have a distance competition with this. ( Use cheap line ! ) Obtain a plastic blow up animal such as is used on the beach, or a rocking horse, or similar. Contestants must cast to dinner plates placed at suitable distances while a couple of guys "rock the boat". Ten, twenty, thirty feet, etc. Tie a twenty foot  length of limp string to a garden cane, and a leader to this. Accuracy is the goal here. Cast only with the butt of a two piece rod.  And then only with the tip. Distance cast "from the hand", no rod or reel allowed. Casting with two rods simultaneously to two separate targets. A knot tying competition. Blindfold casting.  The rod is placed in the blindfolded persons hand, he is "turned around fast a few times", and has to try and hit the target from memory. " The golden shot", same as the blindfold, but one person gives directions to the caster, using only the words "left", "right", "cast". Get a washing up bowl or similar, attach this to a piece of string, this is pulled along by two volunteers, and the caster must hit the moving target. Roll casting a hosepipe. ( Be careful you have plenty of space here, if it hits anybody it hurts ! ). Roll casting a rope. There are lots of others, but these have always worked well and provided a lot of amusement, and some surprises. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Hi Bob Have a look in  our fly catalog. Let us know what you think. www.popularfishingflies.com Popular Fishing Flies Robert Lindberg. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

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Check out the site http://www.virtualflybox.com.  They have a LOT of flies and pics there. David T. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

http://www.mwflytying.com/default.html http://www.flyanglersonline.com http://members.mint.net/raske.index.html http://killroys.com/default.htm#sitemenu

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Sorry I missed the backslash off   http://members.mint-net/raske/index.html

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Pix of flies at http://www.f-deans.freeserve.co.uk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

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Take a look at these locations: http://www.flyline.com/flys/patrns.htm http://www.flyanglersonline.com/ http://globalflyfisher.com/patterns/list.html#Stream Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pix of flies at http://www.f-deans.freeserve.co.uk Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

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Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

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I don’t have a Web site suggestion. Instead, may I suggest a book: The Classic Guide to Fly-Fishing for Trout Charles Jardine ISBN 0-394-58719-7 It was published in 1991 in Great Britain, so it doesn’t have all the patterns you’ll come across, but it does have 60 full color pages of flies (about 8 flies per page) as well as a complete directory of fly dressings (i.e. what hook sizes and materials are used to tie each fly). For your viewing pleasure, I scanned a page of the book (warning: 200K image) and put it at: http://www.ipass.net/~stevez/images/flypics.jpg Any discoloration in fly patterns is likely an artifact of my scanner, not the author. I invite the input of experienced fly fishermen to comment on this book, but I love it. It is an absolutely beautiful hardcover book that I keep alternately on my coffee table at home and on the desk in my office. Steve Zimmerman

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

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Okay, I’m headed to Fort Meyers/Sanibel in early December.  I’ve fly fished quite a bit from shore down there before, but never at that time of year.  What can I expect?  Will there be reds, snook, trout, tarpon? Is it even worth bringing my tarpon rod? Also, I’m interested in what the most productive patterns for these species are at this time of year.   When I’m there, I generally fish Blind Pass, the flats along the Sanibel Causeway and the Estero Backwater.   Thanks in advance for your help. — Mark Cahill For E-mail remove the _Remove_This from the reply to address. http://www.geocities.com/Baja/3297/fishing.htm Mark Cahill’s Fishing New England – Daily Fishing News http://www.reel-time.com/ The Internet Journal of Saltwater Fly Fishing – Metropolitan Boston Regional Editor

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, I’m headed to Fort Meyers/Sanibel in early December.  I’ve fly fished quite a bit from shore down there before, but never at that time of year.  What can I expect?  Will there be reds, snook, trout, tarpon? Is it even worth bringing my tarpon rod? Also, I’m interested in what the most productive patterns for these species are at this time of year. When I’m there, I generally fish Blind Pass, the flats along the Sanibel Causeway and the Estero Backwater. Thanks in advance for your help. — Mark Cahill For E-mail remove the _Remove_This from the reply to address. http://www.geocities.com/Baja/3297/fishing.htm Mark Cahill’s Fishing New England – Daily Fishing News http://www.reel-time.com/ The Internet Journal of Saltwater Fly Fishing – Metropolitan Boston Regional Editor

  There will most likely be NO tarpon at that time of year. Glenn

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I will be fishing the Rock Creek Area the first week of August and am looking for an area with accomodations and good fishing someplace in between there and Seattle. I don’t want to "double-back" ie: fish the madison then go back towards Missoula. Any ideas?

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I will be fishing the Rock Creek Area the first week of August and am looking for an area with accomodations and good fishing someplace in between there and Seattle. I don’t want to "double-back" ie: fish the madison then go back towards Missoula. Any ideas?

I don’t follow what you’re saying…Rock Creek..the one I know…is only 20 miles east of Missoula..the madison is 200 miles southeast…so are you saying you want to fish Rock Creek and then head down to the Madison and then on to Seattle?  If you fish Rock Creek stay with Doug at the Rock Creek Mercantile…down on the Madison the West Fork cabins are an excellent place to stay..between the Madison and Seattle i think you’ll find that it’s difficult to get there from there…have fun trying though…you’ll drive by some pretty good fishing in Idaho while you figure out the easiest way to cross that state from east to west.

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: I will be fishing the Rock Creek Area the first week of August and am : looking for an area with accomodations and good fishing someplace in : between there and Seattle. I don’t want to "double-back" ie: fish the : madison then go back towards Missoula. Any ideas? : I don’t follow what you’re saying…Rock Creek..the one I know…is only : 20 miles east of Missoula..the madison is 200 miles southeast…so are : you saying you want to fish Rock Creek and then head down to the Madison : and then on to Seattle?   I think he is saying he wants to fish Rock Creek then head west.  Two options… stay on I-90 past Kellogg-Wallace, then head south down a bad road to the St. Joe.  Lots of tunnels blasted through rock and wonderful to drive, except when it washes out, which is often.  Look closely at a map and you will see the road I suggest.  There are some cabins down at the St. Joe Inn, but don’t expect a palace.   The easier (and I think you will find better fishing than Rock Creek) is to go through Missoula down to Lolo and head over into Idaho on Highway 12. This will run you along the Lochsa, which joins the Selway to form the Middle Clearwater which joins the South Fork, then the North Fork to form the Clearwater, which joins the Snake, which joins the Columbia which fills the entire Pacific Ocean.  As you might imagine, great fishing is found all along the road but it changes from a small stream to a fairly large stream (g) the farther you go. As for accomodations, I suggest you spend a day or two at Three Rivers Lodge, located at the bottom of the Lochsa at the confluence with the Selway.  This lodge is located about 90 miles from Missoula and has budget cabins or less modest cabins.  It is right on the Lochsa river, but you can also follow the Selway with a road that continues for 20 miles until it reaches the wilderness boundary.  There is also camping available all along the rivers.  The fishing tends to be better for cutthroat and ‘bows the higher you go on any of these rivers.  I should also mention there is the largest steelhead hatchery in the US on the Clearwater near Orofino and there is also a salmon hatchery near Kooskia on the same river.  (Salmon are extremely rare to find, though, but steelhead are a major trophy during the right time of the year.  The Clearwater is fairly large, and a drift boat is recommended.)  Both the Lochsa and the Selway are among the best whitewater rivers in the US.   To get back on the route to Seattle, you can take the long way along the Columbia river, or when you get to Lewiston take highway 195 to Pullman and then continue back up to I-90 in Spokane.  (Or take Highway 26 out of Colfax.)  Look at a map… but the fishing is great in N. Idaho. There you have it… better than a travel agent or and "adventure guide." — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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To get back on the route to Seattle, you can take the long way along the Columbia river, or when you get to Lewiston take highway 195 to Pullman and then continue back up to I-90 in Spokane.  (Or take Highway 26 out of Colfax.)  Look at a map… but the fishing is great in N. Idaho. There you have it… better than a travel agent or and "adventure guide." — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

There ya go! And you never mentioned fishing in my favorite M*nt*n* stream the B** *ol* !!

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This has been a real useful thread so far. How about lines for a minute?  I have a bass bug taper floating line but want to get a sink tip (I guess) for rivers like the James and Susquehanna.   What would y’all recommend for getting to the bottom?  Thanks for your ideas. Kurt

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I’m primarily a smallmouth fisherman on the Potomac River. I generally use either a 6-weight or an 8-weight.  The Potomac, like the Delaware and Susquehanna, is a wide, often windy river. I spend much of my time throwing l-o-n-g casts (often all the way down to my backing) with the aid of a good double haul. I also generally use big Clouser minnows. I find the 8-weight is ideal for these conditions, especially when it’s windy. Having said that, however, I also enjoy using my 6-weight, especially on calmer days when fishing dries or small nymphs. On smaller rivers like the Shenandoah, I use my 6-weight almost exclusively. Scott Wilkinson

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I’ll see all those fives and sixes and raise an eight– The susky is the least delicate smallie river I know of.  I regularly fish from the Chemung to the New and I have a different view.  I tie and fish flies that range from large to huge for smallmouth to muskies, and the susky is the largest zone.  My best fish have come on very large poppers (a whole 1/2" banger-foam cylinder’s worth and two large worm rattles) and the Butch Minnow, which is a lead-eyed hair-bodied diving. . .thing. . .we use around here a lot.  I fish big, and that seems to work well in the susquehanna.  So I fish an 8 mainly, and it’s not pretty all the time, I admit it. As for lines:  I like the Wulff triangle bug tapers, most weight-forward thing I can find; with my big guns (8wt PM10 and Scott STS) I will line-up a notch to the 9-wt.  I don’t recommend this; it has disqualified me from membership in most flyfishing clubs and gotten me frowns in the orvis shop, but so has tying and fishing flies that cast reasonably well on a baitcaster.  I do move a fair number of the higher echelon of fish in the James, New, Potomac, ‘Doah, and Susquehanna, and people also give me a wide berth on the river. In short:  there’s a "big" faction out here, too. Dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Joe Ellis writes: A seven weight for smallmouth?? Rod/line weight is determined more by the size fly you’re using and the wind resistance and delicacy of presentation desired, not the size fish you’re after. Exactly. I use a Pac Bay 9′ 6wt rod which really is closer to a 7wt and find it just right for tossing poppers, heavy nymphs, and big streamers for smallmouth. Especially on a big river like the Susquehanna where the occasional long cast is required. I feel like I’m working too hard when I try casting these flies with a 4/5wt rod, and that just leads to a sore arm after awhile. I find it much easier to fish all day with my 6/7wt than struggle with the 4/5. But I tend to use chunky flies for smallies, so that obviously affects my decisions. I guess I should have pointed that out in my original post. Bob Petti

Another alternative is to use the SA 6 weight headstart line on the 4/5.  I do.  The headstart line has such a short belly (23′) and tapers that it short casts very well without overloading the rod. Once you are well into the running line, the total weight of the line in the air is much less than a regular WF 6 F due to its short belly so you are never in danger of oveloading the rod.  With 50′ of line in the air, its total weight is probably no greater than a DT 4.  The short, chunky, heavy belly does a great job on big fat poppers and buggers, yet the 8 foot 4/5 won’t wear your arm out. My 4/5 Diawa is very sensitive to  overloading, a DT 5 F will kill it, but the WF 6 headstart causes no problems, It feels just like a WF 5 or a DT 4.  I regularly cast number 4 wooly buggers over 60′ with it. In fact it has proved to be the best line for the rod. Peter

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This has been a real useful thread so far. How about lines for a minute?  I have a bass bug taper floating line but want to get a sink tip (I guess) for rivers like the James and Susquehanna.   What would y’all recommend for getting to the bottom?  Thanks for your ideas. Kurt

Kurt, I use SA sink tip lines in various sink rates, and another option (less expensive) is the loop to loop Orvis Mini Lead Heads (2 to a package, 12" & 24" length) and their "super instant sink tip system", which are also loop to loop 6′ sections. These are (1) fast sink tip and (2) super fast sink tip. These will set you back about 10 bucks, and do work in getting your bugger down. Of course, in order to use this system you have to go to the loop to loop method, which I happen to like for the ease it affords in changing leaders, and putting on/taking off the aforementioned Lead Heads. Obviously, the weight of the sink tip you use is determined by several factors, current, depth you’re trying to get to, and weight of your streamer (Clouser deep minnow vs unweighted wooley bugger, for example) Using the Orvis system first might give you a better idea of what weight sink tip line you might end up buying, and at considerably less cost. Good luck on your search. Regards, Frank Church Elkhart, IN

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This has been a real useful thread so far. How about lines for a minute?   I have a bass bug taper floating line but want to get a sink tip (I guess) for rivers like the James and Susquehanna.   What would y’all recommend for getting to the bottom?  Thanks for your ideas.

The only sink tip I own is an old Cortland 444SL WF6F/S type IV with a 10 foot tip (man, that’s a mouthful). I really don’t like it much, as it just feels clunky. I’m sure that’s more a result of my casting (poor casting) than the line, but I’ve been thinking of getting a full sinking line or something like a Teeny. Whatever you do (or think), TEST THE LINE before you buy. Most shops should be able to put a line on a reel for you to test cast with. By all means, do so (with a leader and fly). With the premium price on lines these days, make sure you’re getting what you want before you bring it home. Bob Petti

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Anyone out there own or use an Orvis DXR with Anti-Reverse?  I’d appreciate your feedback.  Thanks.

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  I am looking for a fly rod for fishing smallmouth on the Susquehanna   river in Pennsylvania.  What size and weight rod should I be looking   at?  Any suggestions?  Also what should I expect to spend?   Any help is appreciated.  Tim,     I’d  have to agree with the last post recommending that 6 weight rod. That’s a good all rounder. Something like a 8′5" or 9′ rod for a bid river like the Susq. would fit the bill nicely. Your should be able to find a decent rod under $150. I have an Orvis Clearwater, and two Cortland rods, all were under $150, with reel, flyline and backing included. I fish for smallies on the Shenadoah and the Potomac Rivers. Keith in Waterford, VA

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This has been a real useful thread so far. How about lines for a minute?  I have a bass bug taper floating line but want to get a sink tip (I guess) for rivers like the James and Susquehanna.   What would y’all recommend for getting to the bottom?  Thanks for your ideas. Kurt

Kurt,    I fish most with my floating line… My 10 ft sink tip gets very little use. Most of the time a weigthed nymph will get close enough to the bottom to get interest. Smallmouth are aggressive fish and in shallow streams ( most of  my fishing is in 6 ft or less of water)    they will chase the fly if they are interested). A split shot or two can be added if necessary . If you wade fish like I do, and cover several miles in a trip you learn to bring the laast but most  versatile equipment. The floating line also gives you the equipment to fish popper, etc.  Bottom line… I can get my fly near the bottom with my floating line but I can’t really fish near the top with my sink-tip.. And I don’t want to weight myself with excess equipment… that crap gets heavy after a while.    hope that helps !                                                                                             Jody

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As for lines:  I like the Wulff triangle bug tapers, most weight-forward thing I can find; with my big guns (8wt PM10 and Scott STS) I will line-up a notch to the 9-wt.  I don’t recommend this; it has disqualified me from membership in most flyfishing clubs and gotten me frowns in the orvis shop, but so has tying and fishing flies that cast reasonably well on a baitcaster.  I do move a fair number of the higher echelon of fish in the James, New, Potomac, ‘Doah, and Susquehanna, and people also give me a wide berth on the river. In short:  there’s a "big" faction out here, too.

Alright, Dave!  I second your posting. I’m a firm believer in casting flies the size of mice 70+ feet with big rods! What I find amusing is how, in flyfishing circles, there is a perception that the "saltwater guys" who go after bonefish and the like are the only ones who throw long casts with big rods in windy conditions. I might remind some saltwater types that when the wind comes roaring down a wide river valley like the Potomac or Susquehana, conditions can be every bit as harsh as rough day on the ocean! Scott Wilkinson Bethesda, MD

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I am looking for a fly rod for fishing smallmouth on the Susquehanna river in Pennsylvania.  What size and weight rod should I be looking at?  Any suggestions?  Also what should I expect to spend? Any help is appreciated.

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I am looking for a fly rod for fishing smallmouth on the Susquehanna river in Pennsylvania.  What size and weight rod should I be looking at?  Any suggestions?  Also what should I expect to spend? Any help is appreciated.

Tim, while I have fished *almost* exclusively for smallies for some years now, I am by no means an expert on what rod to use, but FWIW, I have used as my #1 smallie rod a 6 wt Sage and starting last year, a 6 wt 4 piece St Croix travel rod. I changed to the St Croix because the Sage is a little faster action than I’m comfortable with. There are those who will tell you to use a 7 wt….that’s fine too, because you will, every now and then, hook into a 5 pounder that’ll give you and your rod a workout. While I have never fished the Susky, I know it to be a fine smallmouth fishery. As to what to expect to spend, it depends on what brand…the the big name rods (Sage, Winston, Scott, etc.) will set you back 400+ bucks. Until you get some experience at this, I would suggest starting lower on the scale with either a St Croix or Redington. These are both in the 100 dollar area, and are fine rods, with a lifetime replacement guarantee. There are, of course, even cheaper rods, Wal-Mart/K-Mart specials, package deals aimed at getting you started, with everything included, reel, line, etc. These are definitely on the low end of the scale, quality-wise, and I question whether this is the best way to go. Spend a little more, get a good quality line, which to me is more important than the reel you use. If you need more info on the St Croix, contact me offline.  Good luck. Regards,

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Tim Engle writes: I am looking for a fly rod for fishing smallmouth on the Susquehanna river in Pennsylvania.  What size and weight rod should I be looking at?  Any suggestions?  Also what should I expect to spend? Any help is appreciated.

I’d suggest a 9′ 7wt. I wouldn’t think you’d need to spend much over a hundred bucks. The St. Croix Imperial or St. Croix Legend series would be just fine. Bob Petti

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Tim Engle writes: I am looking for a fly rod for fishing smallmouth on the Susquehanna river in Pennsylvania.  What size and weight rod should I be looking at?  Any suggestions?  Also what should I expect to spend? Any help is appreciated. I’d suggest a 9′ 7wt. I wouldn’t think you’d need to spend much over a hundred bucks. The St. Croix Imperial or St. Croix Legend series would be just fine.

 I’ll second the St.Croix reccommendation. They’re very good rods at a reasonable price. However… A seven weight for smallmouth?? Rod/line weight is determined more by the size fly you’re using and the wind resistance and delicacy of presentation desired, not the size fish you’re after. If you are planning on using 1/0 heavy Clouser Minnows or big Dahlberg rabbit strip divers, a 7wt MIGHT be becessary… but for all my stream fishing in the southern Ohio/northern Kentucky area a _4wt_ is plenty of rod. I only use my 8wt for largemouth/northern/muskie, when I’m throwing the BIG flies. I still use heavy enough leader that I can land and release a fish quickly, but it’s not necessary to use a telephone pole rod either! <GRIN — Joe Ellis     o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |  TesserAct Studios ()XDarwin(;        Now on the Web at      | Cincinnati, OH 45240 / /~LL~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 |New Dimensions In Filk! Unsolicited commercial E-mail will be proofread at $25 hr/2 hr min.

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Joe Ellis writes: A seven weight for smallmouth?? Rod/line weight is determined more by the size fly you’re using and the wind resistance and delicacy of presentation desired, not the size fish you’re after.

Exactly. I use a Pac Bay 9′ 6wt rod which really is closer to a 7wt and find it just right for tossing poppers, heavy nymphs, and big streamers for smallmouth. Especially on a big river like the Susquehanna where the occasional long cast is required. I feel like I’m working too hard when I try casting these flies with a 4/5wt rod, and that just leads to a sore arm after awhile. I find it much easier to fish all day with my 6/7wt than struggle with the 4/5. But I tend to use chunky flies for smallies, so that obviously affects my decisions. I guess I should have pointed that out in my original post. Bob Petti

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Joe Ellis writes: A seven weight for smallmouth??

I use a 9′ 6/7 graphite/boron rod.  When I’m out on a trout stream, I use a DT6-F.  For bass and panfish I use a WF7-F or a WF-6 with a sinking tip.  These combinations work quite well.  I’m accustomed to tossing weighted Woolly Buggers, weighted streamers, and hair bugs in sizes 4 to 10. Bob — —– Bob Perkins, Director of Institutional Research and Planning Methodist College Fayetteville, NC  28311                          Office: 910-630-7037

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Joe Ellis writes: A seven weight for smallmouth?? Rod/line weight is determined more by the size fly you’re using and the wind resistance and delicacy of presentation desired, not the size fish you’re after. Exactly. I use a Pac Bay 9′ 6wt rod which really is closer to a 7wt and find it just right for tossing poppers, heavy nymphs, and big streamers for smallmouth. Especially on a big river like the Susquehanna where the occasional long cast is required. I feel like I’m working too hard when I try casting these flies with a 4/5wt rod, and that just leads to a sore arm after awhile. I find it much easier to fish all day with my 6/7wt than struggle with the 4/5. But I tend to use chunky flies for smallies, so that obviously affects my decisions. I guess I should have pointed that out in my original post. Bob Petti

Bob, when I first started flyrodding, it was the largemouth I was homing in on, and after checking out those neat hairbugs with all the feathers, rubber legs, etc. I thought that was what was required to get ‘em to hit on the surface. Some years of flailing those bulky bugs with an 8 wt produced bass, but at the end of the day, my arm/wrist was tired from throwing those danged puffballs. Have since learned from others(in this to get a hit. So I’ve stepped down to a 6 wt and now throw basically "clean" bugs, no tail feathers, and a cleaner, smaller profile. As a matter of fact, the Sneaky Pete is nothing more than a bullet shaped head with rubber legs and a tad of hackle, and it has been one of my most successful lures at getting smallmouth to hit. (with a vengence, I might add!) I still have the bulky hairbugs, but they reside in the tackle bag and almost never get used now. Regards,

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Frank Church writes: So I’ve stepped down to a 6 wt and now throw basically "clean" bugs, no tail feathers, and a cleaner, smaller profile.

Good point, Frank. My problem with lighter rods is casting heavy flies like big buggers and clousers. I find it much easier to control the cast with a heavier line. Most of my smallmouth fishing is done with weighted streamers and "bottom bouncers", so I guess that dictates my choice of tackle. However, I’ve been known to visit a few small creeks with my little 8 footer and cast tiny clousers and unweighted marabou streamers and bucktails for the "dinks". That can make for an enjoyable evening. Lord knows there are many many more 6 inch bass in the streams that 16 inchers. Targetting the small guys and selecting appropriate tackle and flies can be great fun. Bob Petti

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I am looking for a fly rod for fishing smallmouth on the Susquehanna river in Pennsylvania.  What size and weight rod should I be looking at?  Any suggestions?  Also what should I expect to spend? Any help is appreciated.

Tim,    I have been haunting the Delaware ( probably the best wadeable smallie stream in the US) for 3 decades armed with a flyrod ….. perhaps 1000 trips now if I had to count with 95 % of them wet wading.. I have three rods for this type of fishing…. an old fenwick graphite wt 5  ( for caddis fly hatches) and a wt 6  for pencil poppers and a wt 7 for heavier stuff like weighted crayfish imitations, wooly buggers, etc. I also use my wt 7 for the big river stripers encountered in the late spring , especially towards evening . This way I can fish for both species with one rod. I lived many years with a Fenwick HMG graphite (Wt 5 and wt 7) with the 9 ft wt 7 my standard outfit and have been and still am very happy with those rods ( my son still uses them) Granted they are old technology and slower than the very fast modern rods but since I learned to flycast with fiberglass their slower action suit me. I think they cost about $ 150 bucks now.. I currently fish at  a very fast scott but this is my shad rod ( something you may also want to consider) – a scott sts  9 ft wt 6 as well as  a Sage rpl+ 9.5 ft wt 7. I absolutely love my Sage  because it feesl like an extremely improved fenwick (action wise, which it had replaced) except it can effortlessly  cast 70 feet when necessary. If you had ~ $ 400 I would recommend the wt 6 or wt 7 sage RPL+ 9-9.5 ft long. I am currently entertaining the idea of a Sage RPL+ 9 ft wt 4 or lighter   for really light smallie fishing…                                                   Jody

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I recieved a kit for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good book that will help me learn how to tie flies? I am a avid flyfisherman and love to learn more about fly tieing. If anyone has any good paterns please send me a few to try and I will send you one of the finished products to see if I got it right. Thanks Alot Chuck Hester

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I recieved a kit for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good book that will help me learn how to tie flies?

I have Eric Leiser’s book on fly tying and like it.  (Sorry, I can’t remember the name of the book, but it is something obvious, like "Fly Tying."  It has a blue cover with pictures of flies on it.) This book walks you through dries, wets, streamers, etc., in different chapters.  It teaches a basic fly (with some variations) in each chapter, then lists patterns for several more flies that can be tied in the same way.  I like the book, and have only found two drawbacks so far.  First, it is a bit old–1970’s, I think.  The age affects the discussion of materials.  There is little mention of synthetic furs and he says that no substitute is necessary for polar bear hair. Second, there are no color photographs (other than on the cover). They would help mostly to get a better idea of how the final product should look. One of my standards for checking how well the author knows his (her) craft is the discussion of the whip finish.  If a book says that the whip finish is too hard to do and and that you should buy a tool to do it, I put the book down and move on.  The book should teach you how to do a whip finish by hand.  Also, in general, the book should not try to turn you into a "tool junkie."  Many tools you either don’t need or can make yourself.  For example, if an author tells you that you can make a dubbing needle yourself or can buy a potter’s needle tool cheaper than a "flytyer’s dubbing needle," then I rate that book higher than one that only names the tool. All of that said, I will now admit that I am fairly new to flytying. I also took a class at a local community Adult Ed. to help me along. (I got really lucky there.  The instructor was Ray Salminen, who is an excellent tyer and has been tying flies for 60 years!) Good luck! Dave

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I recieved a kit for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good book that will help me learn how to tie flies? I am a avid flyfisherman and love to learn more about fly tieing. If anyone has any good paterns please send me a few to try and I will send you one of the finished products to see if I got it right. Thanks Alot Chuck Hester

Two decent beginner books are those written by Jack Dennis.  Although they were written for Western trout, I dont think that Eastern trout will mind.   These books have the majority of basic long honored patterns, and cute stories that go with each.  In addition, the photographs should help the beginner do well right off the bat.  I would suggest, however, that you take a class in fly tying.  Many community based programs exist, as well as classes taught at fly shops or sporting goods stores. Good luck

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I recieved a kit for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good book that will help me learn how to tie flies? I am a avid flyfisherman and love to learn more about fly tieing. If anyone has any good paterns please send me a few to try and I will send you one of the finished products to see if I got it right. Thanks Alot Chuck Hester

I have been tying for about two years. I have two fly tying books that work well for me. 1. Fly Tying Adventures in Fur, Feathers and Fun by John F. McKim.     Great illustrations and a good selection of fly patterns. 2. Tying Flies with Jack Dennis and Friends.     Uses good photographs and very good on the step-by-step process. Happy tying, John

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I have Eric Leiser’s book on fly tying and like it.  (Sorry, I can’t remember the name of the book, but it is something obvious, like "Fly Tying."  It has a blue cover with pictures of flies on it.)

The title is "The Complete Book of Fly Tying" & despite its relative vintage & lack of discussion of a lot of the new synthetics (mylar tubing was pretty avant garde at the time ) it’s a good & thorough guide to many basic & fairly advanced tying techniques. Great drawings. cheers, — Blair Sharpe Ottawa, ON, Canada

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writes: As an alternative to books, one of the better ways to learn tying techniques is to buy or rent a few video tapes.  You’ll learn a lot more watching it being done than you will from looking a couple of still photos and reading a description.

I agree. Gary Borger’s Tying Trout Flies (part of the 3M Scientific Angler series) is quite good. I’m a relatively new tier, also. I, too, have and like Leiser’s Complete Book of Fly Tying. His "The Book of Fly Patterns" isn’t bad, either. It contains tying instructions as well as lots of patterns. I don’t have Randall Kaufmann’s books, but Tying Nymphs, Tying Dry Flies, and Fly Tyer’s Nymph Manual all look like good beginners. Books. Probably my favorite so far is Gary Borger’s Designing Trout Flies. Dave Guinee

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Hello All!     Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet:  K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.

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Hello All!    Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet:  K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.

Yes, try rec. outddors fishing flytying    Tom

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Hello All!    Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet:  K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.

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Using the correct syntax will make it easier to find: It’s rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All!    Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet:  K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. Yes, try rec. outddors fishing flytying    Tom Using the correct syntax will make it easier to find: It’s rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY I couldn’t find the group you suiggested above for fly tying. Do I need to do soemthing special to subscribe? David Merkel

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All!    Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet:  K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. Yes, try rec. outddors fishing flytying    Tom

Try rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying instead.

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I have a CD on fly-tying, interactive and with 900 photos of what they look like and how to tie them, plus much more. It took the authors 5 yars to develop it.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone ever tried this? It occurred to me while watching Charlie West’s fly fishing show on the Outdoor Life Channel. They had such good photos of aquatic insects or their aquatic forms, I wondered how they were obtained. It occurred to me that it might be possible to collect a few nymphs from a local stream and "grow" them in a home aquarium. I could even design an aquarium in a devil’s food, cake-pan shape to allow some sort of stream flow imitation in case they need moving water. Any ideas? In a regular aquarium, the normal inhabitants wouldn’t even have to be evicted if I were to use caddis nymphs. No tetra in it’s right mind would attack something that size that is also covered in gravel Maybe I could thin out the fish population in the tank with dragonfly larvae. Fun to watch and I would have a biological model for fly tying! This could become an interesting thread! Thanks, David Buschhorn

Hi David-    We’ve been raising aquatic insects for over 15 years. Let me know exactly what kind of bugs you want to grow and hatch and I’m sure we can help you out.    -Ralph —

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Has anyone ever tried this?

. . . Thanks, David Buschhorn

David, I know of at least two reference books on hatches in which the authors report having raised mayflies, stoneflies, and caddis in an aquarium. In both "Hatches II" by Caucci & Nastasi and "Western Hatches" by Hafele & Hughes the authors make several references to raising and observing mayflies in their home aquariums. I think there may be some pointers included on how to actually raise aquatic insects in an aquarium yourself, so I’d highly recommend these two sources as a starting point. Regards, Fred

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David. Growing your own nymphs is a piece of cake. Clean water, a sandy or silt bottom to the tank, aeration, and some plant life from where you collected your nymphs are really all that is required. Your nymphs will feed off the plants or detritus, and you’ll even see the nymphs grazing from any algae that grows on the side of the tank. I’ve reared many species here in England. The principals would be the same where you are. Best of all is the ability to watch nymphs hatch just inches away from your face. So too is the feature of watching the sub imago change to imago. Caddisfly larvae and dragonfly larvae will eat anything else in your tank so be careful which species you stock with. If you are into photography you’ll also get great shots of the emerging nymphs and the various stages of adult fly life. You might find also that this side of your hobby will be as enjoyable as actually fishing. Good Luck. Dave. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Has anyone ever tried this? It occurred to me while watching Charlie West’s fly fishing show on the Outdoor Life Channel. They had such good photos of aquatic insects or their aquatic forms, I wondered how they were obtained. It occurred to me that it might be possible to collect a few nymphs from a local stream and "grow" them in a home aquarium. I could even design an aquarium in a devil’s food, cake-pan shape to allow some sort of stream flow imitation in case they need moving water. Any ideas? In a regular aquarium, the normal inhabitants wouldn’t even have to be evicted if I were to use caddis nymphs. No tetra in it’s right mind would attack something that size that is also covered in gravel Maybe I could thin out the fish population in the tank with dragonfly larvae. Fun to watch and I would have a biological model for fly tying! This could become an interesting thread! Thanks, David Buschhorn

– dave tait

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone ever tried this? It occurred to me while watching Charlie West’s fly fishing show on the Outdoor Life Channel. They had such good photos of aquatic insects or their aquatic forms, I wondered how they were obtained. It occurred to me that it might be possible to collect a few nymphs from a local stream and "grow" them in a home aquarium. I could even design an aquarium in a devil’s food, cake-pan shape to allow some sort of stream flow imitation in case they need moving water. Any ideas? In a regular aquarium, the normal inhabitants wouldn’t even have to be evicted if I were to use caddis nymphs. No tetra in it’s right mind would attack something that size that is also covered in gravel Maybe I could thin out the fish population in the tank with dragonfly larvae. Fun to watch and I would have a biological model for fly tying! This could become an interesting thread! Thanks, David Buschhorn

David, Grow enough of them and you can create your own hatches! Seriously, Swisher and Richard’s book:  "Selective Trout" goes into detail on this subject.  It’s a great book. Jack

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Has anyone ever tried this? It occurred to me while watching Charlie West’s fly fishing show on the Outdoor Life Channel.

<snip It occurred to me that it might be possible to collect a few nymphs from a local stream and "grow" them in a home aquarium. <snip Any ideas?

<snip  Fun to watch and I would have a biological model for This could become an interesting thread! Thanks, David Buschhorn

Greetings, David, yes, this might get interesting.  I can’t help you much, however, I would suggest you cross-post this to the news groups:                                    sci.bio.fisheries or possibly the group:             sci. aquaria                 Someone in these groups should have some valuable information for you in this regard.  _Good luck on your project, and keep us informed on its progress!_ Cheers, and tight lines -Mark

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Has anyone ever tried this? It occurred to me while watching Charlie West’s fly fishing show on the Outdoor Life Channel. They had such good photos of aquatic insects or their aquatic forms, I wondered how they were obtained. It occurred to me that it might be possible to collect a few nymphs from a local stream and "grow" them in a home aquarium. I could even design an aquarium in a devil’s food, cake-pan shape to allow some sort of stream flow imitation in case they need moving water. Any ideas? In a regular aquarium, the normal inhabitants wouldn’t even have to be evicted if I were to use caddis nymphs. No tetra in it’s right mind would attack something that size that is also covered in gravel Maybe I could thin out the fish population in the tank with dragonfly larvae. Fun to watch and I would have a biological model for fly tying! This could become an interesting thread! Thanks, David Buschhorn

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