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Things seemed to have calmed down between you and rw, yet you persist in stirring the pot once again.  What is to be gained from this? "It’s useless info, totally useless info, one way or the other, just like an indentation in the Budweiser can is totally useless info to a guy quaffing a beer." While I didn’t find the "haul and load" thread of much interest, as I am likely to be the least literate and/or intelligent Roffian on the face of the Earth, it seems that several other ROFFians were quite engaged in the discussion.  I rarely get involved in the more technical discussions pertaining to flyfishing, primarily because of my limited intellect, but I find it difficult to disparage others for doing so. Opie  —-

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Opie writes: While I didn’t find the "haul and load" thread of much interest, as I am likely to be the least literate and/or intelligent Roffian on the face of the Earth, it seems that several other ROFFians were quite engaged in the discussion.  I rarely get involved in the more technical discussions pertaining to flyfishing, primarily because of my limited intellect, but I find it difficult to disparage others for doing so. Opie  —-

You shouldn’t feel that way, Op.  Hell, someone is selling all my books and they have a thread about it "Pirate Book Sale".  Shoot, I haven’t finished looking at all the pictures yet and someone is selling all 4 of ‘em.  I just *know* Jo bought me  the FoF Fly Pattern Enclopedia and it has lots of pictures. Merry Christmas Dave L.

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Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Ok, make that the second least intelligent ROFFian on Earth! — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

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I just *know* Jo bought me  the FoF Fly Pattern Enclopedia and it has lots of pictures.

I hope you get that one. It looks like it would be a great book. — Charlie…

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Charlie: I just *know* Jo bought me  the FoF Fly Pattern Enclopedia and it has lots of pictures. I hope you get that one. It looks like it would be a great book. — Charlie…

I did!  And, it *is*! Dave

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I hope you get that one. It looks like it would be a great book.

It IS a great book. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas

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*know* Jo bought me  the FoF Fly Pattern Enclopedia and it has lots of pictures. I hope you get that one. It looks like it would be a great book. — Charlie…

It is a great book. I hope you get a chance to visit with the editors sometime. Al and Gretchen are some of the nicest people in the fly fishing business. If anyone is going to be in the Dallas area on Jan 13,  they are doing an all day seminar for the Dallas Flyfishers on that Saturday. Send me an e-mail iif you need further information. Al was the recepient of the Buzzack Award a couple of years ago, but I am not so sure that he ties any better than Gretchen. Big Dale

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I have followed this newsgroup for quite awhile now and some of you guys that complain the most about spaming always promote your own web site, now what is this??? Is this spaming???  When I post something here or anywhere else I do not put my web address down and I have not told anybody here or any other board that I am selling Bastard Bamboo, St.Croix , GLoomis, Eastbranch rods, Phillipson, Goodwin & Grangers Heddons, Southbends, H&I, Montagues, Orvis, or any other product I sell… When I posted that I really liked the Black Raven I was telling the truth about the rod.. I was really impressed with this rod.. AIt casted real smooth..When I go fly fishing it is adventure for me because I am in a wheelchair and I always have a hand full of rods to fish with and I usually fish with all the rods I take fishing with me, and I have to admit Banboo Flyrods are the funniest to fish with..  Actually I just started flyfishing and I caught my first trout on an Bamboo Flyrod, Whoops it was a Bastard  flyrod maybe this is an ilegal word here, but I really dont care what is an ilegal word..   I am really sorry if I am spaming about my Heddons,Phillipsons,Southbends,ETC..   Come on guys forget the past and lets jsut talk about fishing and if that Word Bastard come up just let it go, because a Bastard can catch fish just like an Orvis rod can catch fish..  Come on Guys lets just caych some fish on your favorite rod and your favorite fly…   Later dave

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        (blah blah blah)  Come on Guys lets just caych some fish on your favorite rod and your favorite fly…   Later dave

        dave, just go mix another drink, and forget about it.         wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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[snipped] Dave, it’s been explained to you already, but once more for emphasis: you’d never been seen here before, and suddenly a post from out of nowhere appears, overflowing with ebullient praise for a rod built by someone that had thoroughly worn out his welcome here. And adding the bit about "buying ten of them" was like waving a red flag in the face of many folks here. Thus the reaction. But it appears that those same folks might owe you an apology… [el snippo] I have to admit Banboo Flyrods are the funniest to fish with..

LOL! Welll…..No comment ;^) Stick around, Dave. /daytripper

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

Phooey. It’s an election year, politics is on our minds and we speak our minds. (Those of us that actually HAVE minds, anyway.:-) Tell that large, hairy, mustachioed man wearing the fishnet stockings and high heels who forces you to read political posts to put down the cat-o’-nine-tails and get back to work on the heirheads debate strategy. (Unless you really like that sort of thing.) — Ken Fortenberry

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else.

I wish I was young, rich and attractive. Thank *you*. — Charlie…

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

Yeah, wish in one hand and shit in the other.  Let us know which one fills up faster. Wolfgang Director, ROFF Office of Research

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

I wish people would quit reading what they don’t want to, so there you go…  I think we are about equal in our chances of getting our wishes. HTH? You’re Welcome R (who knows Slim just stole None’s horse, and is border-bound…)

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I like your new word, spaming. Maybe spame is a good name for off topic posts! Personnally, I’ve been very pleased that recently people have put "off topic" posts under appropriate headers.  They are very easy to ignore if you’re not interested. What bothers me is when you click on a fishing related subject line and you get garbage. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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Yeah, wish in one hand and shit in the other.  Let us know which one fills up faster.

My grandma always said wish in one hand, shit in the other… and see which weighs more. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

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I wish people would stop wishing, as it is very difficult to prove whether one’s wish actually came to fruition or not! — Opie  –I *hope* this doesn’t piss the wrong people off– – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I like your new word, spaming. Maybe spame is a good name for off topic posts! Personnally, I’ve been very pleased that recently people have put "off topic" posts under appropriate headers.  They are very easy to ignore if you’re not interested. What bothers me is when you click on a fishing related subject line and you get garbage. Willi I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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I wish people would stop wishing, as it is very difficult to prove whether one’s wish actually came to fruition or not!

I can tell you I keep closing my eyes and clicking my heels but somehow I keep getting stuck in Kansas. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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I can tell you I keep closing my eyes and clicking my heels but somehow I keep getting stuck in Kansas.

Ah, that’s the problem: that only works to get you back *to* Kansas, you need a tornado to get you out<g. — Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You Phooey. It’s an election year, politics is on our minds and we speak our minds. (Those of us that actually HAVE minds, anyway.:-) Tell that large, hairy, mustachioed man wearing the fishnet stockings and high heels who forces you to read political posts to put down the cat-o’-nine-tails and get back to work on the heirheads debate strategy. (Unless you really like that sort of thing.)

When did Louie grow a mustache? /daytripper (OK, now I gotta run and hide. Buh byeeeeeee! ;^)

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R wrote snip::I wish people would quit reading what they don’t want to, so there you go…

The only way to get the damn thing to go away is to hit read msg. Big Dale

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It is about fishing.  If big oil get’s their empty suit in the White House look forward to clear cuts,  cynaide leach mines,  oil spills in ANWF and all imaginable kinds of hell loosed upon the earth.  The forces of greed want your fishing hole. BJC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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Yeah, wish in one hand and shit in the other.  Let us know which one fills up faster. My grandma always said wish in one hand, shit in the other… and see which weighs more.

My kinda grandma!  Never got to know any of my own.  Can I borrow yours some time? Wolfgang over the river and through the woods

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else.

I wish I had a better benefits package, a bigger apartment, three redheaded Tri-Delt mistresses, and a beer. We all got needs, pal. You’re welcome. "My father said to be strong, that a good man could never do wrong  in a dream I had last night in America" -Los Lobos

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Why, do they not make Tri-Delts anymore, or was there only one window in time when they were universally considered desirable?  I know in my undergraduate days (69-73) they were thought (and I believe thought themselves) hotter than heat. Me, I never saw it:  preferred hippy girls in peasant shirts and jeans. BTW, are we allowed to talk about women here, or only politics? JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     "Tri-Delts" gives your approximate age away. [an assumption, but held until informed.] (MC’s comment snipped for space) I wish I had a better benefits package, a bigger apartment, three redheaded Tri-Delt mistresses, and a beer. We all got needs, pal.

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     I don’t know, it seems odd to be fixated on redheads, but even more outr

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Will be in the area of the Umpqua late spring.  Anyone know how the fishing is, season, access?  appreciate any input.

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Depending on how late in the Spring you will be there, the Shad run is usually fantastic. Also, Smallmouth fishing if very good, if the water warms up enough for them to chase a fly… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will be in the area of the Umpqua late spring.  Anyone know how the fishing is, season, access?  appreciate any input.

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Will be in the area of the Umpqua late spring. Anyone know how the fishing is, season, access? appreciate any input.

–It depends on what area your fishing.   The river has tide water fishing for sturgeon.  Small mouth fishing can be fantastic.  Some of my best days steelhead fishing was on the Umpqua.  And I think it has a fantastic run of fall and spring salmon. Lots of guides fish the river, a couple of the best is Kern Greives guide service or get a hold of the Big K Ranch, they both have web sites. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.

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The Umpqua River has pretty big population of Smallmouth Bass in the lower river west of Interstate 5. It also get a big run of American Shad in April, May, June. The Summer Steelhead start showing up in the upper river after the 4th of July and are usually good till it gets cold in October. This is one of the prettiest rivers in the West. Call the Blue Heron Fly Shop on the river for good info: 541/496-0448 — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA http://www.kiene.com

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Any information on the good holes or riffles would be appreciated!

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For a start look at Meck’s MID ATLANTIC TROUT STREAMS AND THEIR HATCHES. I fished Big Flatbrook last father’s day with my daughter. After 35 years away from it, its incredible what a good job NJ has done with this and some of its other streams. Advise: Get a very detailed map. The scale is deceptive if you are used to the West, ie lots of narrow winding roads, hidden crossroads, little villages, the NJ of my youth. The river is holy water and is truely a challenging experience compares more than favorably with any Eastern river I have ever fished. Locate the "ROY Bridge" and work up from it to get into a fly-only section. Work down from it and its just as good! Avoid the big holes, and avoid people its that simple. Walk in a ways and I think you will find some fine fishing and what I will swear are native Brookies in the 8-12 inch range. I think that’s incredible for a place maybe 50 crow miles from Manhatten. The fish I caught were back in what I call the "headon rootballs:" places where the current smacks right into a root obstruction. So if you are using drys (it was spring and I was using very small tan stimulators fished "damp") You are going to have to float your fly on this very fast water to about an inch of the tangles to get any action. You are going to lose flys but It works.  For Brookies I think your stalking is more important than your pattern. Dave Snedeker – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any information on the good holes or riffles would be appreciated!

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While you’re in the area, try the Little Flatbrook.  Lot’s of native brookies if you can get way back in away from the parking areas.  Beaver ponds are real hotspots. As for the Big Flatbrook, I wouldn’t start fishing it until the stocking season ends unless you like crowds.  By July, the wormers are gone and you have a better chance of having a stretch of river all to yourself. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any information on the good holes or riffles would be appreciated!

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Try "Millbrook"  -  it’s a few mile south of Flatbrook (on the same road.) Nice scenery and a real nice stream (at least it was 45 or 50 years ago!!) Tight lines, Ed

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Do you mean Millbrook Village?  I ‘ve never heard a stream by that name south of the Flatbrook.  Van Campens Brook is the only stream I’m aware of in that vacinity.  Perhaps they changed the name. Rich – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try "Millbrook"  -  it’s a few mile south of Flatbrook (on the same road.) Nice scenery and a real nice stream (at least it was 45 or 50 years ago!!) Tight lines, Ed

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Where did the word "redd" initiate…?

redd (r

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have the opportunity to teach up outside of Bethel.  I’m very much aware of the difference in geography and the general feel of the area. I’d be interested in any input from someone who has been there as to what sorts of outdoors activities can be done there.  Thanks. well, subsistence outdoor activities (hunting, fishing, gathering wild plant foods and medicines) are the culture in the area.  i mean those folks really do live off the land, and they usually waste absolutely nothing.  i mean that when they trap for muskrats, they not only sell the fur, they make muskrat soup and the meal is not considered over until everyone has cracked the bones and sucked out the marrow.  then the trapper returns the cleaned bones to the area where the animal was killed, to honor its spirit. this culture has very different values than you are probably used to, and a world view that is alien to most white folks.  if you are really considering moving to the YK delta to teach, you should immediately cross-cultural communication, a video of a college lecture series by father michael oleksa, a russian orthodox priest married to a yup’ik woman from aniak.   from a strictly "sports" point of view, this is a very wet river delta area, very rich in fish and wildlife.  small boats and float planes are the primary means of transportation in summer, and snowmobiles in the winter.  the kuskokwin and its tributaries are the primary transportation corridors. you’re starting a little late to move this year, because most folks order their winter groceries early in the spring so they can be delivered by boat during the summer. be prepared for *severe* culture shock.

I once had a chance to teach in Barrow.  But I turned it down and stayed in Kenai area instead.  I had heard it can be tough for a non-native to function up there, that it’s a very closed place to "foreigners" (although some of my friends love it out in the bush).  In the end, eventhough I love the outdoors, "cross-cultural" experiences, and am a fanatical wilderness camper, I just didn’t want to live somewhere where I couldn’t get in my car and leave once in the while on the weekend.  You do have to be willing to try to live there, get to know people, and don’t think just because you make a lot of money that you can afford to fly out of there anytime you want. I do recall that once in a biology class, we were dissecting cats and a Yup’ik girl said something to the effect, "Why don’t we do seals?"  She said she could cut up a seal in fairly short period of time (I don’t remember what it was).  To which I replied, "If we cut up a seal in the lab, we won’t be able to eat it since the lab is full of chemicals and stuff.  We’d have to throw it away."  She thought that was a pretty good answer. I now work with, at least, a couple of Apache students every year.  One of the most difficult things to get them to participate in the class.  They don’t talk much.  Although I admire the fact that, unlike whites, Apaches only talk when they really have something to say, don’t feel the need to impress everyone by being clever or running their gums constantly, and they spend a lot of time listening, it does kind of make white man educational methods a bit difficult to use. My most interesting native job prospect turned out to not be interesting.  I once applied for a job on the south rim of the Grand Canyon.  My thinking was that I could be in the boonies, maybe get to know some of the natives, but still be able to get away once in the while on the weekends.  I had a telephone interview which seemed to go pretty well.  But when I got out a map, I couldn’t find the town on it.  So I called back for that information, got it, and hung up.  About 30 minutes laters, a member of the search committee called me back and in a serious voice said, "The committee feels that there is something you need to know about this town.  Many of the people here are polygamous Mormons.  Your wife won’t be able to work here and you will probably want to live in St. George, UT which a more normal town."   Well, I decided I wasn’t quite that adventurous.  However, if either Barrow or northern Arizona call again, I think I’m ready for it. Quotes of the Week:   I have learned that the swiftest traveler is he that goes afoot." "To make a railroad round the world available to all mankind is equivalent to grading the whole surface of the planet." Walden, Henry David Thoreau

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I have the opportunity to teach up outside of Bethel.  I’m very much aware of the difference in geography and the general feel of the area. I’d be interested in any input from someone who has been there as to what sorts of outdoors activities can be done there.  Thanks.

well, subsistence outdoor activities (hunting, fishing, gathering wild plant foods and medicines) are the culture in the area.  i mean those folks really do live off the land, and they usually waste absolutely nothing.  i mean that when they trap for muskrats, they not only sell the fur, they make muskrat soup and the meal is not considered over until everyone has cracked the bones and sucked out the marrow.  then the trapper returns the cleaned bones to the area where the animal was killed, to honor its spirit. this culture has very different values than you are probably used to, and a world view that is alien to most white folks.  if you are really considering moving to the YK delta to teach, you should immediately cross-cultural communication, a video of a college lecture series by father michael oleksa, a russian orthodox priest married to a yup’ik woman from aniak.   from a strictly "sports" point of view, this is a very wet river delta area, very rich in fish and wildlife.  small boats and float planes are the primary means of transportation in summer, and snowmobiles in the winter.  the kuskokwin and its tributaries are the primary transportation corridors. you’re starting a little late to move this year, because most folks order their winter groceries early in the spring so they can be delivered by boat during the summer. be prepared for *severe* culture shock. Unsolicited commercial email to my corrected address is subject to prosecution under 47 USC 227(b)(1).  E-mail and Reply-to disguised to prevent Spam and to suggest that SPAMBOTs which harvest sigfiles will like replies Virtual Juneau          http://www.alaska.net/~dpharris

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snip  and Reply-to disguised to prevent Spam and to suggest that SPAMBOTs which harvest sigfiles will like replies Virtual Juneau          http://www.alaska.net/~dpharris

Dennis ‘hit the nail on the head’! By the way…which village is it? Steve

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I have the opportunity to teach up outside of Bethel.  I’m very much aware of the difference in geography and the general feel of the area. I’d be interested in any input from someone who has been there as to what sorts of outdoors activities can be done there.  Thanks.

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I just moved to Los Angeles and I’m desperately looking for some rivers to fish on the weekends. If anyone could suggest some rivers to check out, I would greatly appreciate any help. Thank you, Brian

Check out Sespe Creek behind Ventura.  Fishermen’s Spot in Van Nuys can direct you.  Surf fishing for perch ani’t to bad either…

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I just moved to Los Angeles and I’m desperately looking for some rivers to fish on the weekends. If anyone could suggest some rivers to check out, I would greatly appreciate any help. Thank you, Brian

  You might try looking at the downey fly fishers page http://www.pacificnet.net/~jas/dff.htm they have monthly trips and fish reports that can be helpful john aydelotte

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just moved to Los Angeles and I’m desperately looking for some rivers to fish on the weekends. If anyone could suggest some rivers to check out, I would greatly appreciate any help. Thank you, Brian   You might try looking at the downey fly fishers page http://www.pacificnet.net/~jas/dff.htm they have monthly trips and fish reports that can be helpful john aydelotte

There are atleast six trout streams that are less than a two hour drive from downtown LA, that have sections where wild trout are protected by special regulations. Regulations vary, but typically include, artifical lures, barbless hooks, and 2 to 0 take limits, on the protected portions of the streams.  The fish are typically not very large but suprisingly, abundant, and do take flies. There are also many lesser known spots without special regulations hidden away in the mountains arround LA. The protected streams I am refering to are: Bear Creek, Deep Creek, Piru Creek, San Antonio Creek, Sespe Creek, and the West Fork of the San Gabriel River. These are typically, small streams with alot of tree cover. But each one offers more fishing that you can cover in a day. Unlike the streams in the sierras, these streams are open to fishing year round. There are FFF clubs all arround the LA area, you might want to check out the one in your area. — David V. Green WWW.GreenFly Culver City,  CA

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I just moved to Los Angeles and I’m desperately looking for some rivers to fish on the weekends. If anyone could suggest some rivers to check out, I would greatly appreciate any help. Thank you, Brian

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iI would like to thank all who responded to my request for books on "fly patterns". I now have a realy good list to choose from. I’m sure it will keep me busy all winter. Thanks Again

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Hi Gerald Happy to help, that’s what this newsgroup is all about. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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To whom it may concern:     I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup.  Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.

     The "formula" for slinkies is something like the following (sometimes I make them; sometimes I buy them – I’m an amature at this):      You start with hollow nylon cord.  Strong cord is called parachute cord, but you can also find this in any hardware/Kmart/etc. as drapery cord.  I also got some from the camping section.  It is a woven nylon cord with another nylon string/cord inside.  You start by cutting it somewhere and extracting the inside cord, leaving a hollow core.      You need a small butane lihgter for the next steps.  the cord is cut into small lengths, ranging from 2 to 4" in length.  Take the butane lighter, heat one end of a strip to the melting point and close it.  You can use a piece of paper or cardboard to do this and prevent small burns and nylon sticking to your fingers.      Then you fill the tube with split shot, using size 6’s or 8’s.  The little tubes will take about 4, and the big tubes will take up to 8 or so.  In this manner, you will be able to adjust the weight you use, depending on the current where you are fishing.      The next step, of course, is to close the tube.  You push the spli shots down close to each other, against the closed end, and then you heat the other end.  Repeat the process for closing it up.      You can buy equipment and lay it all out (cut pieces, split shot, lighter, etc.), and make slinkies on a "production" basis – just like tying up 2 dozen flies of the same kind.      I suppose the next question will be how to attach them to your leader?

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writes:     You can buy equipment and lay it all out (cut pieces, split shot, lighter, etc.), and make slinkies on a "production" basis – just like tying up 2 dozen flies of the same kind.     I suppose the next question will be how to attach them to your

leader? I find it interesting what people will do just to say they are flyfishing.  There is a  perfect rig for this outfit, it is called spinning. Ernie Harrison

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To whom it may concern:     I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup.  Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.

If you’re not losing hooks and lead on the bottom, you are not trying hard enough. A simple way to go deep is to double a short length of nylon over your leader (with one shot to hold it in place) and add as many shots as you need to get the depth.  When they hang, with luck they will slide off the end and you’ll get most of your terminal tackle back. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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To whom it may concern:     I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup.  Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.    I was told parachute cord and buckshot.  I bought both and neither fit. Pls be as detailed as possible and it would be a big help if you could in- dicat where one could get some of the materials.

  Unless you’re into S&M, slinkys and flycasting don’t mix.     A better bet is to make small "mini heads" out of lead core trolling line. Cut the leadcore into several six and twelve inch segments. Whip a loop onto each end of these segments. You can now loop these to the end of your leader in any combination you please. To make an thirty inch head loop two twelve’s and six incher together and so on. Tie the tippet directly to the terminal loop of your head.    The result is a relatively easy mess to cast that will get you *down* and doesn’t tend to hang up. Excellent system when fishing surf on rocky coast lines where every cast gets wrapped in crud.    Tight lines and open loops, Ralph

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You can buy "Quick Kits" that include the cord, pre-stuffed with shot. Contact: Scott Eno, P.O. Box 373, N. Syracuse, NY 13212.  In some tackle shops, his one ounce kit sells for $6.95.  If you should decide to buy the shot and cord separately, I urge you NOT to cut the cord to length before stuffing the shot into them.  Do what Scott Eno has done: stuff the entire cord with shot (one end sealed with a lighter/candle) then just cut and singe to the size you desire.  Cutting the cord first leads to wasted cord as it readily unravels when you stuff the shot in.

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To whom it may concern:     I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup.  Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.    I was told parachute cord and buckshot.  I bought both and neither fit. Pls be as detailed as possible and it would be a big help if you could in- dicat where one could get some of the materials. Thanks, Bob Lyons

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Bob, in CA we take green paracute cord and singe the end with a match. Then stuff with BBs or other shot to desired weight and singe the remaining end.    Clip this onto a snap swivel to place on your line ahead of the lure or bait.  I never heard of this for fly fishing but it is popular with bait fisherman in salmon and steelhead water. To whom it may concern:     I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup.  Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.    I was told parachute cord and buckshot.  I bought both and neither fit. Pls be as detailed as possible and it would be a big help if you could in- dicat where one could get some of the materials. Thanks, Bob Lyons

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