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Email me just with dates. I have a commitment around the first.  But for me it’s drive up the river to the mouth of the Deschuets walk a couple of miles and fish.  There is a park and boat launch there. Send me a phone number where your staying and I’ll call.  We are going to Crater Lake one on those weekends.  BJC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ll be going to Portland,

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Theo: Portland may not be as beautiful as New Jersey, The Garden State (snicker, snicker), but you’ll like it fine. Actually, the above was sarcastic. Oregon is lovely, and in September it probably will either be hot (maybe even up to 100), or wonderful (60-70). You should be able to find steelhead in several local rivers or, if you have time to drive about 4 hrs, you can be on one of the world’s great steelhead streams, the Deschutes. Re-post or email me directly at the end of August to remind me — in the meantime I’ll check the migration status and let you know where the fish are. Your 7-8 wt rod will be perfect. Floating line (DT or WF) and fairly strong leaders. You’ll want to pick up some of the standard Northwest steelhead flies: Freight Train, Streetwalker and Skunks are the classics. Kaufmann’s Streamborne has them online, and I think Hill’s Discount Flies does too. You may want to email Kaufmann’s for advice, too. They’re expensive, but very helpful to travelling anglers. The standard approach for summer steelhead is very systematic: cast quartering downstream, let the line swing across the current until it’s straight downstream, strip in a couple of yards; take a big step downstream, pick up your line, and cast again. You end up covering the whole section of stream that way. The strikes usually come at the very end of the "swing" or during the first "strip." (The steelhead seem to follow the fly across the river, then pick it up when it stops.) There’s some basic info for you. Again, re-post your inquiry or email me when you get closer. You’ll have fun!! — Scoobey (Scott Bellows) "Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum." -Ambrose Bierce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never been to Portland, hence never done any flyfishing in that area (did some in New Jersey, last year, very nice).

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My favorite site to check on events around Oregon is http://www.westfly.com/cgi-bin/entryPage?state=OR Other sites include (in no particular order and no recommendation from me) http://www.flyfishingdeschutes.com/ http://www.deschutesoutfitters.com/Reports/index.html http://www.kman.com/ http://numb-butt.bendnet.com/ http://www.flyfishusa.com/index Rakane at gte dot net (remove the NOSPAM)

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If  its summer steelhead you want to fish for then check out the rivers around Tillamook, the Wilson, trask and not to forget the Nestucca, the Nestucca being my favorite river to fish for summer steelhead.  You might even be able to catch large fall chinook in the big Nehalem river.  There are plenty of places to fish around the area.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My favorite site to check on events around Oregon is http://www.westfly.com/cgi-bin/entryPage?state=OR Other sites include (in no particular order and no recommendation from me) http://www.flyfishingdeschutes.com/ http://www.deschutesoutfitters.com/Reports/index.html http://www.kman.com/ http://numb-butt.bendnet.com/ http://www.flyfishusa.com/index Rakane at gte dot net (remove the NOSPAM)

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The 2nd week of September should still be good weather.  The rains don’t usually start up until October. For steelhead, you might try the Sandy and Salmon rivers.  There’s a flyshop in Welches, OR (I forget the name but they are on the web) you should be able to give them a call or hire them as a guide. Best of luck,      - Ken

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I live in the Netherlands and, like you all, keen on flyfishing. I lurk around this newsgroup frequently and figured this is the place to ask some advice. I’ll be going to Portland, Oregon the second week of September, mostly for work. But,,,, I can squeeze in some time for fishing and, searching the web, found that it might actually be a good place for flyfishing, esp. steelhead. I’ve never been to Portland, hence never done any flyfishing in that area (did some in New Jersey, last year, very nice). So, any advice on spots (can rent a car), charters, gear (I’ve got a Shimano Chameleon traveller fly 9078, 9 feet #7-8, 4pcs. flyrod esp. for trips like this), flies to use, methods to use, you name it, is very much appreciated.

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Indeed we have wonderful weather usually the first part of September…When suggesting visiting the Portland, OR area, I recommend last 2 weeks of August first 2 weeks of September.  A great place to check the local fishing is with Kaufmann’s Streamborne Fly Shop in Tigard, OR (south of Portland a tiny bit) and they are on the web at www.kman.com Padishar Creel – It is over 80 today and clear in the Portland Oregon area, so there!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I live in the Netherlands and, like you all, keen on flyfishing. I lurk around this newsgroup frequently and figured this is the place to ask some advice. I’ll be going to Portland, Oregon the second week of September, mostly for work. But,,,, I can squeeze in some time for fishing and, searching the web, found that it might actually be a good place for flyfishing, esp. steelhead. I’ve never been to Portland, hence never done any flyfishing in that area (did some in New Jersey, last year, very nice). So, any advice on spots (can rent a car), charters, gear (I’ve got a Shimano Chameleon traveller fly 9078, 9 feet #7-8, 4pcs. flyrod esp. for trips like this), flies to use, methods to use, you name it, is very much appreciated. Cheers, Theo

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Hi, I live in the Netherlands and, like you all, keen on flyfishing. I lurk around this newsgroup frequently and figured this is the place to ask some advice. I’ll be going to Portland, Oregon the second week of September, mostly for work. But,,,, I can squeeze in some time for fishing and, searching the web, found that it might actually be a good place for flyfishing, esp. steelhead. I’ve never been to Portland, hence never done any flyfishing in that area (did some in New Jersey, last year, very nice). So, any advice on spots (can rent a car), charters, gear (I’ve got a Shimano Chameleon traveller fly 9078, 9 feet #7-8, 4pcs. flyrod esp. for trips like this), flies to use, methods to use, you name it, is very much appreciated. Cheers, Theo

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OK, I’m mostly a catch and release fisherman except for panfish, but I saw an article in an old flyfishing magazine that asked this question… What if you are fishing in a Gold Medal, C & R only trout stream and you catch a trout, bring it in, and it dies on you right in your hands? The author debates throwing it into the bushes or just letting it float down the river, but since it’s Gold Medal Water there is usually a crowd or wardens around and he’d get busted. He suggested making believe he was "reviving" the fish and digging a hole in the mud and putting some rocks on top of it.  He also made an observation that there seems to be a lot more rockpiles on Catch & Release waters than there used to be. I didn’t get to see the next issue to find out what the readers responses were, but it makes you think…. Dan Dow here http://www.angelfire.com/mac/dandow/kingfisher/homepage is my homepage… PS—found in Fly Rod & Reel Nov/Dec 1997

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OK, I’m mostly a catch and release fisherman except for panfish, but I saw an article in an old flyfishing magazine that asked this question…

Well, Dan the Man, this topic has been discussed ad nauseum here in the past, and I have no doubt that a Deja search of past ROFF posts for "C&R" will more than answer your question. My short opinion?   If the law says C&R, you’d better R.   There are, of course, more layers to be discussed, like why didn’t you bring it in fast enough to revive it?   Is it a foolish waste of a good fish to not eat it?   Blah, blah, blah, etc.   We been there, we done that. HTH, Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, I’m mostly a catch and release fisherman except for panfish, but I saw an article in an old flyfishing magazine that asked this question… What if you are fishing in a Gold Medal, C & R only trout stream and you catch a trout, bring it in, and it dies on you right in your hands? The author debates throwing it into the bushes or just letting it float down the river, but since it’s Gold Medal Water there is usually a crowd or wardens around and he’d get busted. He suggested making believe he was "reviving" the fish and digging a hole in the mud and putting some rocks on top of it.  He also made an observation that there seems to be a lot more rockpiles on Catch & Release waters than there used to be. I didn’t get to see the next issue to find out what the readers responses were, but it makes you think…. Dan Dow here http://www.angelfire.com/mac/dandow/kingfisher/homepage is my homepage… PS—found in Fly Rod & Reel Nov/Dec 1997

_____  Japanese always carry a razor sharp knife.  The rock piles are empty bottles of Soy Sauce. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, I’m mostly a catch and release fisherman except for panfish, but I saw an article in an old flyfishing magazine that asked this question… Well, Dan the Man, this topic has been discussed ad nauseum here in the past, and I have no doubt that a Deja search of past ROFF posts for "C&R" will more than answer your question. My short opinion?   If the law says C&R, you’d better R.   There are, of course, more layers to be discussed, like why didn’t you bring it in fast enough to revive it?   Is it a foolish waste of a good fish to not eat it?   Blah, blah, blah, etc.   We been there, we done that. HTH, Joe F.

OTOH, you could ask the question in the political thread which candidate should be C&R’d and which one should be C&K’d.  That way all the bullshit could be contained in one thread.  Neat, eh? Peter = always striving to be helpful

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Ice, rest and some sort of anti-inflamatory for the pain.  As for why it is happening, well that is hard to say.  Try to change your cast up a bit.  Did it happen before you started to fish 4 days/week?  If so than you may need to take some time off.  I would suggest changing your cast, bring your arm in closer to your body and don’t try too hard for distance.  Anyway, if the problem persists you should really rest otherwise it will become a cronic issue!! Good Luck! Forrest Arakawa FlyFishingREVIEW.com http://www.flyfishingreview.com I do a lot of flyfishing.  Since April I’ve fished (a lot of blind casting for bass and pickerel) on average 4 hours/day, 4-5 days a week, and now I’ve got elbow (left) problems that feel just like tennis elbow.  I’m a right handed caster and strip with my left hand.  Any helpful suggestions are appreciated. Adam

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Docs usually prescribe anti-inflamatories but I don’t find they work that great and the upset stomach, constipation and weight gain isn’t worth it.

Weight gain?  Geez, Peter, how many of those were you eating?

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the upset stomach, constipation and weight gain

That’s just middle age<g. — Charlie…

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There is a band that you can put on your arm above the elbow that helps greatly for tendonitis.  Ask a pharmacist about where to find one.  The advice on ice and anti inflamatory is good, but the band also helps. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do a lot of flyfishing.  Since April I’ve fished (a lot of blind casting for bass and pickerel) on average 4 hours/day, 4-5 days a week, and now I’ve got elbow (left) problems that feel just like tennis elbow.  I’m a right handed caster and strip with my left hand.  Any helpful suggestions are appreciated. Adam

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above or below the elbow?

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I’ve been wearing the this type of band for several years now, I wear it below the elbow.

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Adam, 4 hours/day, 4-5 days a week – A gruelling routine to have to stick to. I have no idea how old you are or what kind of shape your in, but I would suggest getting a job. Happy fishing John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders’ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do a lot of flyfishing.  Since April I’ve fished (a lot of blind casting for bass and pickerel) on average 4 hours/day, 4-5 days a week, and now I’ve got elbow (left) problems that feel just like tennis elbow.  I’m a right handed caster and strip with my left hand.  Any helpful suggestions are appreciated. Adam

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I do a lot of flyfishing.  Since April I’ve fished (a lot of blind casting for bass and pickerel) on average 4 hours/day, 4-5 days a week, and now I’ve got elbow (left) problems that feel just like tennis elbow.  I’m a right handed caster and strip with my left hand.  Any helpful suggestions are appreciated. Adam

Adam,  Rest, then seriously *change* your casting mechanics….somewhere in there you’re doing a lot of tightening up/muscleing.  After the rest…take it slow and easy…to RE-develop the casting stroke…I’ve done it..and if I can do it….I think anyone can…just takes a little thought BEFORE you start the pickup…and it needs to stay short & easy until you’ve gotten rid of the   uptight muscular memory….Breathe!…and use leverage …use your larger muscles more let your lower arm simply carry out the accuracy part.. ..sorry for the lonnng_winded sentence…read it again…and get the breathing happenning in between the run-on phrases;-);-) steve d.

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Years ago, after spending a lot of days casting shooting heads into the wind while up to my eyeballs in water and trying to turn over large flies for Winter Steelhead, I started developing elbow and shoulder problems.  I’m convinced that regardless of technique, after a certain amount of time, problems can develop…especially when casting distances with heavy lines for many hours at a time.  I fish with a friend who is a neurosurgeon.  He advised me that the only real cure was to spend less time fishing for Winter Steelhead.  I now keep plenty of painkillers in my vest and just keep fishing…in spite of his advice.  When the waters are too muddied to fish, then I rest.  I guess it’s all a matter of priorities.  Besides….if you don’t suffer a little and appease the fish gods, then you have no claim to the bigger fish <g Barry

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do a lot of flyfishing.  Since April I’ve fished (a lot of blind casting for bass and pickerel) on average 4 hours/day, 4-5 days a week, and now I’ve got elbow (left) problems that feel just like tennis elbow.  I’m a right handed caster and strip with my left hand.  Any helpful suggestions are appreciated. Adam Adam,  Rest, then seriously *change* your casting mechanics….somewhere in there you’re doing a lot of tightening up/muscleing.  After the rest…take it slow and easy…to RE-develop the casting stroke…I’ve done it..and if I can do it….I think anyone can…just takes a little thought BEFORE you start the pickup…and it needs to stay short & easy until you’ve gotten rid of the uptight muscular memory….Breathe!…and use leverage …use your larger muscles more let your lower arm simply carry out the accuracy part.. ..sorry for the lonnng_winded sentence…read it again…and get the breathing happenning in between the run-on phrases;-);-) steve d.

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Thanks for the advice.  Actually, I know that rest works, but I’m not going to stop fishing.  My problem is most likely due to stripping technique, as you alluded to.  Along these lines, your suggestion about using the rod tips is interesting.  However, I’d like to find out just what I am doing wrong and what is the best way to strip without over stressing the tendons (the cause of tennis elbow). Adam

I do a lot of streamer fishing and I’m a medical textbook when it comes to tendonitis (and lately arthritis) yet stripping doesn’t bother me and I believe it’s because the arm motion actually is mostly in the shoulder and in one plane.   You’re stripping down and to the side and placing stress on the elbow.  Then when it gets to the end of the motion (straight arm) you’re creating more stress in stopping. Try keeping your arm in an ‘L’ position and just pull straight back. It duplicates the normal arm swing as we walk, a very stress free motion. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html

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Thanks for the advice.  Actually, I know that rest works, but I’m not going to stop fishing.  My problem is most likely due to stripping technique, as you alluded to.  Along these lines, your suggestion about using the rod tips is interesting.  However, I’d like to find out just what I am doing wrong and what is the best way to strip without over stressing the tendons (the cause of tennis elbow). Adam

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Like Peter said, the best cure is rest. I am also prone to this problem. Try to reduce your power stripping and use the rod tip to impart action to the fly/streamer. The more you aggravate the elbow the slower the healing process. jim I do a lot of flyfishing.  Since April I’ve fished (a lot of blind casting for bass and pickerel) on average 4 hours/day, 4-5 days a week, and now I’ve got elbow (left) problems that feel just like tennis elbow.  I’m a right handed caster and strip with my left hand.  Any helpful suggestions are appreciated. Adam Tendonitis.  Ultrasound and cortisone works great.  For home therapy, try an ice pack.  It’s an inflamation so rest and ice will help.  Docs usually prescribe anti-inflamatories but I don’t find they work that great and the upset stomach, constipation and weight gain isn’t worth it. Good luck Peter

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I do a lot of flyfishing.  Since April I’ve fished (a lot of blind casting for bass and pickerel) on average 4 hours/day, 4-5 days a week, and now I’ve got elbow (left) problems that feel just like tennis elbow.  I’m a right handed caster and strip with my left hand.  Any helpful suggestions are appreciated. Adam

Tendonitis.  Ultrasound and cortisone works great.  For home therapy, try an ice pack.  It’s an inflamation so rest and ice will help.  Docs usually prescribe anti-inflamatories but I don’t find they work that great and the upset stomach, constipation and weight gain isn’t worth it. Good luck Peter

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As long as you just doing this catch as catch can type of fishing, you are going to have these problems.  They’ll disappear when you can start putting some serious hours in. In the meantime, Ibuprofen works pretty good for sore muscles…you want to get up there in the 800 – 1000 mg range. Also, quit casting blinds until duck season comes in to relieve the unnecessary stress. Switching back and forth between left and right hand casting helps keep both sides of your brain balanced….works for me…….john

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Like Peter said, the best cure is rest. I am also prone to this problem. Try to reduce your power stripping and use the rod tip to impart action to the fly/streamer. The more you aggravate the elbow the slower the healing process. jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do a lot of flyfishing.  Since April I’ve fished (a lot of blind casting for bass and pickerel) on average 4 hours/day, 4-5 days a week, and now I’ve got elbow (left) problems that feel just like tennis elbow.  I’m a right handed caster and strip with my left hand.  Any helpful suggestions are appreciated. Adam Tendonitis.  Ultrasound and cortisone works great.  For home therapy, try an ice pack.  It’s an inflamation so rest and ice will help.  Docs usually prescribe anti-inflamatories but I don’t find they work that great and the upset stomach, constipation and weight gain isn’t worth it. Good luck Peter

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I do a lot of flyfishing.  Since April I’ve fished (a lot of blind casting for bass and pickerel) on average 4 hours/day, 4-5 days a week, and now I’ve got elbow (left) problems that feel just like tennis elbow.  I’m a right handed caster and strip with my left hand.  Any helpful suggestions are appreciated. Adam

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Hello,  Steph, your geography is a fraction short. Quorn and Wilpena Pound are about 5 hours north of Adelaide, which is a good 9-10 hour drive west of Melbourne. Wilpena Pound and St Mary’s Peak are perhaps the best-known hiking trip in the Flinders Ranges, and are a spectacular walk. But take plenty of water (a litre an hour) and leave enough time to get back to camp, and take a hat. You probably won’t find much flowing water, let alone any trout in the Flinders in November! My suggestion to Cam is to try the Grampians (now known as Gariwerd as preferred by the original inhabitants of the country) for High Country. Have fun! Matthew – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November Altough it is relatively touristy and crowded (for an area where the next village can be 100 km away , you may check the area around Quorn and Wilpena Pound. It’s at the border of the outback, and still within reach from Melbourne. We didn’t have the time to backpack, but the area looked like a good place for it.   Stefanie Bruninghaus University of Pittsburgh                     Web: www.pitt.edu/~steffi 3939 O’Hara Street                           Phone:   (412) 624 – 6748 Pittsburgh, PA 15260 — USA                  Fax:     (412) 624 – 9149

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Try Sheepyard Flats, Howya Valley up in the Victorian high country – you’ll be fishing up on the Howya River for trout that are wild – they’ll be bloody wild when you catch them – no stockies in this little river as far as I know. They are small little browns, but a pleasure to fish to. I assume your fly fishing (?) – you’ll get them on small little flies with fine leaders – try a Red Tag, Geehi Beetle (Aus. pattern), Wulffs (sp?). Upstream and down is okay. If you’re spin fishing, try a #1 Celta lure on very fine line, trundled down the stream/river. If your landing in Melbourne, go downtown to the Compleat Angler and talk to the boys. Stock up on local flies and get some good oil from them. They might even suggest a better spot than I can. If you like fishing, get a book by David Scholes (Aussie author), or just get an aussie fly fishing book – worth a read – hell, get some aussie fly tying books – Peter Leuver’s one is good. Aussie patterns are good. One warning. Most Aussie bush crawls with snakes (absolutely deadly – they’ll make you really, really sick or just plain dead in a short time) and it’ll be bloody hot. Watch yourself – no hands down holes or stupid things, e.g. don’t rush when walking. Stomp around a bit. You’ll usually see plenty of snakes darting directly away from you. Don’t rush is the best bet – and you’ll be fine. Stand up on the log, look down and then stand down, rather than stepping over a log. Play it safe. Check your bedding, don’t leave your tent door unzipped. Take a hat, drink water, swim in the river and you’ll have a bloody wonderful time of it all. BTW you treat aussie snake bites differently than North American ones – learn how to treat  - (the venom acts differently, and certainly not locally – if I’m right). One other warning – don’t drink Foster’s Lager because its the worst beer on the planet and it’ll make you terribly sick (joking – about the terribly sick part, not joking about it being shitty, shitty beer). There are other better beers that don’t see the light outside of Aus. Have a great time Cam. anon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better. Thanks in advance, Cam Please respond to:

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I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better. Thanks in advance, Cam Please respond to:

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Try http://www.bushwalking.org.au/ Bear in mind that it can be quite dangerous alone in unfamiliar bush, Rescue is not around the corner. There are tourist deaths every year. I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better. Thanks in advance, Cam Please respond to:

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I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better.

Altough it is relatively touristy and crowded (for an area where the next village can be 100 km away , you may check the area around Quorn and Wilpena Pound. It’s at the border of the outback, and still within reach from Melbourne. We didn’t have the time to backpack, but the area looked like a good place for it.   Stefanie Bruninghaus University of Pittsburgh                     Web: www.pitt.edu/~steffi 3939 O’Hara Street                           Phone:   (412) 624 – 6748 Pittsburgh, PA 15260 — USA                  Fax:     (412) 624 – 9149

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I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there.

You found no guidance because Sage has a dirty little secret.  They do not make any rods in Seattle.  All they do is relabel Orvis’s seconds. All the best conspiracy theories are utterly groundless. Keep your stick on the ice, Thos.

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Anybody know if GLoomis does factory tours / sells seconds(blems) since they are also in Washington (abeit the Southern end). Hatch – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there. Thanks in advance, Sid remove thisaint for email

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there. You found no guidance because Sage has a dirty little secret.  They do not make any rods in Seattle.  All they do is relabel Orvis’s seconds. All the best conspiracy theories are utterly groundless. Keep your stick on the ice, Thos.

Orvis rods are built by St. Croix.

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Yea they do, but I am not sure there prices are all that great.  If you are real serious and can build something with your hands, then you need to look at Sage seconds on their blanks.  A store in Seattle, I beleive it is Anthony’s Fly Shop (if that ends up being wrong, let me know and I will see if I can dig up the correct info) used to sell Sage second blanks for $80.  I built my first one this way and I love it. Just a thought, Curtis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody know if GLoomis does factory tours / sells seconds(blems) since they are also in Washington (abeit the Southern end). Hatch I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there. Thanks in advance, Sid remove thisaint for email

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I believe it is actually Patrick’s Fly Shop in Seattle (on Eastlake Avenue) that sells Sage seconds. They’re pretty close to the Eastlake Zoo tavern, if that helps (and I know it helps me). Sid remove thisain for email replies – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yea they do, but I am not sure there prices are all that great.  If you are real serious and can build something with your hands, then you need to look at Sage seconds on their blanks.  A store in Seattle, I beleive it is Anthony’s Fly Shop (if that ends up being wrong, let me know and I will see if I can dig up the correct info) used to sell Sage second blanks for $80.  I built my first one this way and I love it. Just a thought, Curtis Anybody know if GLoomis does factory tours / sells seconds(blems) since they are also in Washington (abeit the Southern end). Hatch I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there. Thanks in advance, Sid remove thisaint for email

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I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there.

I stopped by the Sage factory yesterday. Nice place with a casting pool behind. Does anyone know how a rod factory got built in such prime land. Ron Looi www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/

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I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there. Thanks in advance, Sid remove thisaint for email

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I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there. Thanks in advance, Sid remove thisaint for email

Hi Sid, Sage does not sell direct or from the factory. The best bet is to get a blank if you are looking to save money. Get a part time job in a fly shop? Open a fly shop? Date a girl who’s father has a fly shop? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Do you have a daugther available?   On second thought, my wife my object and she’s been pretty supportive of my fishing "habit" so far.  ;-) Hatch – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there. Thanks in advance, Sid remove thisaint for email Hi Sid, Sage does not sell direct or from the factory. The best bet is to get a blank if you are looking to save money. Get a part time job in a fly shop? Open a fly shop? Date a girl who’s father has a fly shop? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, … and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Date a girl who’s father has a fly shop?

Rather few and far between! most of the fly shop owners proprietors of my acquaintence are too obsessed with FF to have time for things as mundane as wives, families or sex. Ralph H

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Hi, I just started packing my fishing gears for a 3-day vacation heading Reno/Tahoe area. Can someone tell me where I can find the best resource, ie, books, guides etc. which show the hot fishing spots in that area, or maybe you can do better than those books. I don’t do fly-fishing, and I’d prefer not to use the charter. Your help will be greatly appreciated.

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Hello, Try http://www.fishsniffer.com ~~~^^~~Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I just started packing my fishing gears for a 3-day vacation heading Reno/Tahoe area. Can someone tell me where I can find the best resource, ie, books, guides etc. which show the hot fishing spots in that area, or maybe you can do better than those books. I don’t do fly-fishing, and I’d prefer not to use the charter. Your help will be greatly appreciated.

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I fished Lewis Creek last Sunday with a couple of friends. Water was very high and muddy, no fish caught or seen. Rumor on the stream was one 5lb steelie taken the day before below the ‘falls’. Appreciate any info on other Champlain activity- Bouquet, Ausable, Saranac? Thanks — John Preston         *                                                                                   <`}}}}=< Ponhook F&G                                             <`}}}}=< Charleston, NS      <`}}}}=< **Please help save the Margaree !  If you’re interested, visit this website:      <<<  http://chebucto.ns.ca/Environment/CPAWS/jcb.html  

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John, Nothing happening yet on this side of the lake….haven’t heard of much on the other side(NY) either.  Water temps on Lewis are still far too cold (mid-30’s). Perhaps end of next week though. Good luck. James Ehlers                                                               Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings

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The talc miner in charge of the operation was reported to have said: "Now this REALLY chaps my ass" As the river was sucked into the abyss. TimW

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Did the Big Hole river have any major damage a few months back when the talc miners blew into an underground cavern somewhere, thus diverting the stream.  What is the update on that? -Paul

Paul, The fellow who made the original post, Sandy Pittendrigh, played a practical joke, sort of a "War of the Worlds" type deal.  Nothing happened to the Big Hole at all.  I fished it several times this season, and it was in fine shape! — Dave Kumlien Montana Troutfitters 1716 W. Main St. Bozeman, MT 59715 http://www.gomontana.com/Business/Trout/trout.html

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What about the demolition derby?!!! Sure would hate to lose that All-American event as well. Jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wiped out the town of Dillon as well….no Labor Day rodeo this year Did the Big Hole river have any major damage a few months back when the talc miners blew into an underground cavern somewhere, thus diverting the stream.  What is the update on that? -Paul

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Wiped out the town of Dillon as well….no Labor Day rodeo this year – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did the Big Hole river have any major damage a few months back when the talc miners blew into an underground cavern somewhere, thus diverting the stream.  What is the update on that? -Paul

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Did the Big Hole river have any major damage a few months back when the talc miners blew into an underground cavern somewhere, thus diverting the stream.  What is the update on that?

The leak was plugged by the thousands of refugee beavers fleeing Sandy’s Montana estate. — -Wayne Trzyna

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For a few minutes though it sure created a stir.  So much so for me I jumped in the truck and drop two hours to be sure if it was there or not. So, was it still there, and if it is, how much talc is in the water? Have the browns become "whitefish?" Charlie Quinton Laramie, Wyoming

I just fished the Big Hole last weekend and found the sub-terranian section to be especially productive.  The best pattern was a blind cave shrimp imitation. Hell of a boat ride though. Don Kelly Butte  MT

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Did the Big Hole river have any major damage a few months back when the talc miners blew into an underground cavern somewhere, thus diverting the stream.  What is the update on that? -Paul

Hi Paul, That story was a joke/hoax.  For a few minutes though it sure created a stir.  So much so for me I jumped in the truck and drop two hours to be sure if it was there or not. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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For a few minutes though it sure created a stir.  So much so for me I jumped in the truck and drop two hours to be sure if it was there or not.

So, was it still there, and if it is, how much talc is in the water? Have the browns become "whitefish?" Charlie Quinton Laramie, Wyoming

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Did the Big Hole river have any major damage a few months back when the talc miners blew into an underground cavern somewhere, thus diverting the stream.  What is the update on that? -Paul

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: Did the Big Hole river have any major damage a few months back when the : talc miners blew into an underground cavern somewhere, thus diverting the : stream.  What is the update on that? A few weeks ago, it reappeared above ground, forming a new branch of DePuy’s Spring Creek. But I don’t know how the piranhas got in there. — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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I will be travelling to Michigans’ Upper Peninsula in early July and am looking for good trout rivers/streams near Ironwood (Western UP on the Wisconsin border).  Also, What are the predominant hatches in the area? Thanks in advance, DJ

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I will be travelling to Michigans’ Upper Peninsula in early July and am looking for good trout rivers/streams near Ironwood (Western UP on the Wisconsin border).  Also, What are the predominant hatches in the area? Thanks in advance,

DJ – I don’t have the answers to your questions, but there is a classic book about fly-fishing the UP 50 years ago.  If you read it, you might find the trip more interesting.  It’s called Trout Madness by Robert Travers.  Have a great trip.       Gene

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The original remark may be humorous to a man, but not to many of the women who may be exploring fly fishing on the internet. This type of attitude and mind set on the stream or anywhere else is not always comfortable to everyone.

I dont’s intend to speak for everyone nor to make everyone comfortable.  All I know is that I only read one response (yours) that took offense at my little joke.  I know that there are quite a few women that read this group and none of them seemed to take offense at it either.  I did, however, see at least one response from a woman that takes offense that the industry seems intent on selling equipment "designed" specifically for women.  I contend that trying to turn flyfishing into a non-gender neutral sport is more damaging then my little joke could ever be.  I’d also like to believe that a sense of humor is a gender neutral attribute as well. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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The original remark may be humorous to a man, but not to many of the women who may be exploring fly fishing on the internet. This type of attitude and mind set on the stream or anywhere else is not always comfortable to everyone.

Uh Oh, someone’s going to save us all from the evils of politically incorrectness.  Lighten up. Jerry Cobb Nashville, TN

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Lighten up?…NO I DON’T THINK SO….saying something like tits on the grips is not funny, it’s not mature, and it doesn’t belong here.

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Seems to be any rod that can be taken apart has a male AND a female end!

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 guess some women just, want to be "Fashion Barbie"…

I’d like to point out that women have been less than pleased with the manufacturers who have tried to make them into "Fashion Barbie."   It has to be the most negative comments I’ve hear at women’s flyfishing club meeting.  Most, being conservationists, are into greens and browns and wouldn’t be caught dead in pink or purple on a stream.

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You ought to see what has happened to the diving equipment industry. All these wild colors for wet suits, fins, masks, snorkles, tanks, regulators, knives, gauges, bc’s. You’re supposed to be color co- ordinated for the fish! An then you go down…..guess what happens to all those colors at 80 feet? Yup, unless you have a strobe flash on all that fancy equipment, it all looks the same.  :) What you are seeing in ffing equipment is the same thing except it doesn’t go away when it goes into the woods. Bees and yellow- jackets do like yellow and pink, though. :OOO– Bill Fashion plate of leftover GI olive drab equipment…..

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The original remark may be humorous to a man, but not to many of the women who may be exploring fly fishing on the internet. This type of attitude and mind set on the stream or anywhere else is not always comfortable to everyone.

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Your remark regarding women’s rods possibly having breasts is rather ignorant…one would like to believe that even you would see that there is no place for that sort of comment in the fly fishing community. Good grief, are you suggesting that the "fly fishing community" is humorless? You know, now that I consider a good protion of the posts

Sexism, bigotry, and general boorishness is NOT considered humor in a public place.  This is a public forum, not the locker room.  Some humor will always be appropriate in the locker room and nowhere else.  It might serve some of you well to learn when and where such humor is appropriate. —— Mike Tucker-  The Virtual Flyshop Web: http://www.flyshop.com Phone: 970/225-6445

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The largest diameter grip I ever made on a fly rod was for a woman. The lady in question had tendonitus (sp?) in her hand and the small diameter grips on her factory made rods made it much worse. After using the rod I built her, she came back and had me replace the grips on all of her rods. Trying to generalize by gender is, IMNSHO, Bullsh*t. — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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Your remark regarding women’s rods possibly having breasts is rather ignorant…one would like to believe that even you would see that there is no place for that sort of comment in the fly fishing community.

Oh give me a break.  It was a joke, actually one I stole from George Carlin from his observation in describing a brand of womens cigarettes. I agree with the other person that mentioned that creating a flyrod for women is just a bit insulting.  Flyfishing is as a gender neutral sport as you can get and I don’t understand why people are trying to turn it into something otherwise.  Actually, I do.  Equipment manufacturers are just trying to sell more merchandise.  Women step into their waders the same way I do and can fart around on the stream as well as the next guy. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sounds like hype to me…a little sand paper will make the grip smaller…I can almost live with the mauve vest, and the burgandy waders, but this idea that fishing has to be *marketed* to women seems like an insult to women to me.  When Orvis says "here you go women, a flyrod just for you", they sound as if they are saying all our other rods are for men and not for you. It’s a nothing but an insulting gimmick in my mind DAMN RIGHT, Craig.. All Orvis did was put on a smaller grip..Like ALL women have little hands (like Frenchmen;)). I don’t think so!!!! If I can handle a SAGE 9′8Wt .. and 7+" of real man;).. like most REAL outdoors women can.. and have done for years…It is down right insulting! It’s like Walker says,"A cash flow runs through it". By the way, I have brown waders and a green vest, I look like a cute little tree on the stream,(stealth…it’s an Art!); not like "Barney". I guess some women just, want to be "Fashion Barbie"…

Who knows.  Maybe there will be a market for "Catskill Barbie" and "Catskill Ken". I personally want to catch fish..that’s why it’s called fishing….that’s why I’m out there, and none of my equipment has a cute little white "O" on it!! ….and NO,John F. the rods don’t have little breasts on them..the grips are still the basic "penis" shape, they have always been… Tickles, &"Bear "hugs for Charley

And as someone pointed out awhile back,  "queer" flyfishers like to hold the rod with the other hand because it feels like someone else is holding it. In flyfishing size doesn’t matter. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Your remark regarding women’s rods possibly having breasts is rather ignorant…one would like to believe that even you would see that there is no place for that sort of comment in the fly fishing community.

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Sounds like hype to me…a little sand paper will make the grip smaller…I can almost live with the mauve vest, and the burgandy waders, but this idea that fishing has to be *marketed* to women seems like an insult to women to me.  When Orvis says "here you go women, a flyrod just for you", they sound as if they are saying all our other rods are for men and not for you. It’s a nothing but an insulting gimmick in my mind

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Your remark regarding women’s rods possibly having breasts is rather ignorant…one would like to believe that even you would see that there is no place for that sort of comment in the fly fishing community.

Good grief, are you suggesting that the "fly fishing community" is humorless? You know, now that I consider a good protion of the posts to this group you may be right. It seems that the computerized fly fisherman spending time on this group are endowed with an excess of selfimportance and no fun whatsoever. How about we all take a giant step back and a look at the big picture. We are really just a small, insignificant piece of that picture.  Just enjoy you days astream and not make it into more than it is – fishing.

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Sounds like hype to me…a little sand paper will make the grip smaller…I can almost live with the mauve vest, and the burgandy waders, but this idea that fishing has to be *marketed* to women seems like an insult to women to me.  When Orvis says "here you go women, a flyrod just for you", they sound as if they are saying all our other rods are for men and not for you. It’s a nothing but an insulting gimmick in my mind

DAMN RIGHT, Craig.. All Orvis did was put on a smaller grip..Like ALL women have little hands (like Frenchmen;)). I don’t think so!!!! If I can handle a SAGE 9′8Wt .. and 7+" of real man;).. like most REAL outdoors women can.. and have done for years…It is down right insulting! It’s like Walker says,"A cash flow runs through it". By the way, I have brown waders and a green vest, I look like a cute little tree on the stream,(stealth…it’s an Art!); not like "Barney". I guess some women just, want to be "Fashion Barbie"…I personally want to catch fish..that’s why it’s called fishing….that’s why I’m out there, and none of my equipment has a cute little white "O" on it!! ….and NO,John F. the rods don’t have little breasts on them..the grips are still the basic "penis" shape, they have always been… Tickles, &"Bear "hugs for Charley …..N.

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.Your remark regarding women’s rods possibly having breasts is rather ignorant…one would like to believe that even you would see that there is no place for that sort of comment in the fly fishing community.

First Day being a P.C. Cop in Owl Creek…Huh? Honey, if you think John’s comment was ignorant..maybe you should haul your ass over to R.O.F.F.PC ONLY!!! or R.O.F.F.H. (humorless);…  (Tim, these weren’t on your list…please add.) Some of us aren’t PC on the P.C., but don’t worry, after we die, we will burn in Hell….Remember, life’s a bitch, and 7X tippet breaks….. Tickles;) …N.  

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(PWullenweb) writes: A few brands offer a women’s version (e.g. Orvis’ Mary Orvis Marbury), but I’m not sure if there is a significant or logical reason to go with those other than the lighter weight.

Th only difference between the Orvis "MOM" rod and the Orvis "Trout" rod is the handle.  Both are 8 ft. 6 wt. fullflex rods made out of the same blank.  The MOM rod has a handle that has been turned down for smaller hands.   You would be best served by casting the appropriate rods for the conditions you will fish until you find one you like, and if you want a smaller handle on it, any custom rod maker can turn the handle smaller for just a few $.  Size and weight is not a problem. All three of my kids started with 8 1/2 to 9  foot rods when they were between 9 and 11 years old.                                                            Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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Hi Pluck, The ‘womens rod’ is a silly idea. I don’t believe that a rods purpose or application changes with gender. The rods purpose is to cast a line and play a fish. Seems as silly as a ’soft periwinkle’ fishing vest. My ideas on rods are governed by the fact that I build bamboo but for trout a 7 1/2 ft 4 or 5 in a fast action is a good place to start. For smallmouth bass I woul choose an 8ft parabolic action rod for a  5/6 weight. Good fishing, A.J. Thramer

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I’m new to fly fishing and am looking to buy a rod.  A few brands offer a women’s version (e.g. Orvis’ Mary Orvis Marbury), but I’m not sure if there is a significant or logical reason to go with those other than the lighter weight.  I’d like to make this rod somewhat of an "all arounder", at least for the present.  Most of the time I’ll be on a small upstate NY lake, fishing from shore or in a boat for panfish, trout, as well as smallmouth and largemouth bass.  I’d like though to be able to take this rod to fish in some nearby streams.  Info on length, line weight and/or model would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance. Puck Wullenweber Ithaca, NY

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Pluck, Women can fly fish better then men and its not the rod!! I suggest a week vacation in July, Aug. or Sept at the Hawley MT. Ranch, where you can Fly Fish, ride horese,hike or just read a book, Its just 25 miles north of Yellowstone Park.   We do a lot of things other than fishing. Just ask!!! BBlewett

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I’m new to fly fishing and am looking to buy a rod.  A few brands offer a women’s version (e.g. Orvis’ Mary Orvis Marbury), but I’m not sure if there is a significant or logical reason to go with those other than the lighter weight.  I’d like to make this rod somewhat of an "all arounder", at least for the present.  Most of the time I’ll be on a small upstate NY lake, fishing from shore or in a boat for panfish, trout, as well as smallmouth and largemouth bass.  I’d like though to be able to take this rod to fish in some nearby streams.  Info on length, line weight and/or model would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance. Puck Wullenweber Ithaca, NY

I think lighter weight is one critical factor, the other being the size of the grip. Rods not designed for women may have grips that are larger than you are comfortable with (depending of course on whether you have large hands.) If you can find a comfortable grip you can use it – most quality rods are pretty light anyways.

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The possible difference with woman’s rods would be in the grip.  Possibly smaller than normal.  I would suspect that it is generally hype and marketing.  Try both and let me know.   For suggestions for a rod, I would suggest a 5 or 6 weight.  You are asking a lot for a rod to do all you want it to do and still be fun.   I lean towards the 5wt for the fun factor with trout and panfish.  You would have to use small poppers & deerhair bugs with the 5 wt due to the wind resistance.  Also, make sure the rod is 9′. If your starting out you’ll ask for 1 rod to do it all.  After a few years thought, you’ll own about 4 rods (trust me, I’ve been there)!

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I’m new to fly fishing and am looking to buy a rod.  A few brands offer a women’s version (e.g. Orvis’ Mary Orvis Marbury), but I’m not sure if there is a significant or logical reason to go with those other than the lighter weight.

<snip Hi, My recommendation would be for you to locate a reputable local dealer and cast as many rods as possible in your price range. The rod that ends up working the best for you may or may not be a women’s version. I think it’s much more important how the fly rod works than what it says on the label. I hope this helps,   Alan.   Alan Barnard   Kiene’s Fly Shop   Sacramento, California   WWW Fly Tyer   http://www.ns.net/~barnard

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Pluck, Women can fly fish better then men and its not the rod!! I suggest a week vacation in July, Aug. or Sept at the Hawley MT. Ranch, where you can Fly Fish, ride horese,hike or just read a book, Its just 25 miles north of Yellowstone Park.   We do a lot of things other than fishing. Just ask!!!

Womens fly rods?  What, do they have little breasts on them or something? Just to clarify a couple of things.  The name was "Puck", not "Pluck". Since I also live in Ithaca I know that we can flyfish (a five minute walk for me to the nearest stream from my front door), ride horses (there’s a B&B place about 1000′ down the road of me that is a horse ranch), hike (across my driveway and 100′ in the other direction from the B&B are trailheads which go into a wildlife reserve, and I can read a book just about anywhere.  I’ll let you sleep on my couch for half of what your ranch charges. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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