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… my current batch of hiking pals are dropping fast or becomin a mite surly.

Well, not surly so much…. Wolfgang who misses ya sorely    :)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – get in shape zimbo.  i’ve still got a few places i’d like to prospect for ol’ mr. trout in graham and swain co… my current batch of hiking pals are dropping fast or becomin a mite surly. It’s a deal, Jeffie. I just bought me a Garmin eTrex Vista so’s I’ll be able to remember how to get back to all these beauty-filled streams Waldo’s taken me to over the last year. As for getting in shape, well I’m still a young-un and not old enough to know that fishing isn’t supposed to be a workout. You show me the trail and I’ll stay with ya. –Steve

well alrighty then… bring the digital camera too.   all too soon, as you’ll discover, with increasing age the mental pictures don’t last as long as they once did… let me know when you’d like to go… jeff

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…it was the best of times… looking forward to the next of times.  it hurts so good, gotta do it again soon… there’s another nc mountain paradise to visit.  it’s a short boat ride and a bit of a walk… but it’s sure to fill up your soul for a while. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … my current batch of hiking pals are dropping fast or becomin a mite surly. Well, not surly so much…. Wolfgang who misses ya sorely    :)

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…none of us knew when you were coming in or where you were staying. sorry we missed you. i was the last one out this afternoon. hope the rain let up for you…

How much rain did you get? Please lie and tell me it was the singular greatest fishing event of your entire life. That would sure help me sleep better at night. –Steve

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I lived in West Virginia where I taught school for one school year.

Did you ever happen to catch "The Dancin’ Outlaw" on PBS? Seriously surreal piece documenting the life and strange times of one Jesco White, the self-proclaimed "Last of the True Mountain Dancers." Guaranteed to make you laugh exactly at the same time you’re cringing (and if you like that feeling, check out the short fiction of George Saunders). You can get a small taste of Jesco at http://www.pelsor.com/jesco_white.htm, though a Google search will give you plenty of options to sample. – Sid not even sure you miss WV, but thought a kick was in the offing

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How much rain did you get? Please lie and tell me it was the singular greatest fishing event of your entire life. That would sure help me sleep better at night. –Steve

…well, this one is for you zimbo… the weather was great (til yesterday – my birthday, of course) and the fishin was incredible – the catchin, well… i haven’t been doin this as long as most around here, but if catching brookies and rainbows in nearly every pool promotes your sleep, i’ll wake you next week. …wolfgang has captured the essence of the week in his post, sorta.  he missed the boat trip across fontana lake to wayno’s "memento", but i made sure his hiking socks made it. i think they gave me a blister… get in shape zimbo.  i’ve still got a few places i’d like to prospect for ol’ mr. trout in graham and swain co… my current batch of hiking pals are dropping fast or becomin a mite surly. jeff

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get in shape zimbo.  i’ve still got a few places i’d like to prospect for ol’ mr. trout in graham and swain co… my current batch of hiking pals are dropping fast or becomin a mite surly.

It’s a deal, Jeffie. I just bought me a Garmin eTrex Vista so’s I’ll be able to remember how to get back to all these beauty-filled streams Waldo’s taken me to over the last year. As for getting in shape, well I’m still a young-un and not old enough to know that fishing isn’t supposed to be a workout. You show me the trail and I’ll stay with ya. –Steve

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Is that you George? Is that you Skunked?

Nice going Warren! Opie read this just before we went fishing on yet another stream no one would tell me the name of and was so depressed he jumped off the top of a 400 foot waterfall.  Nice pool at the bottom (I caught a beautiful 14 inch brown out of it a bit later) but he missed it by about 6 feet.  I am trying to console his mother while enjoying not only my own, but also Opie’s portion of the spaghetti she made for us. Wolfgang trying to save just a little room for dessert

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Trust me Opus.  What I don’t know about fly fishing is infinitely greater then what I know,

HAH! A fig for those who say you are incapable of telling the truth! and no, that wasn’t me Opus.  

And no, Georgie, it ain’t ME Opus either. I’m just a Ghost of Fly Fishing Past.   My name hangs on the winds of time.  

Your name has broken the wind of time. You know me, you just don’t understand the whispered words.

You know me.  You just cain’t figgur it out (the words are in English, unless I’m badly mistaken). Not Pete

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  Nice going Warren! Opie read this just before we went fishing on yet another stream no one would tell me the name of and was so depressed he jumped off the top of a 400 foot waterfall.  Nice pool at the bottom (I caught a beautiful 14 inch brown out of it a bit later) but he missed it by about 6 feet.  I am trying to console his mother while enjoying not only my own, but also Opie’s portion of the spaghetti she made for us. Wolfgang trying to save just a little room for dessert

Sounds like you are making due there Wolfie <g  Tell Opie he can catch fish tomorrow because I will say a small prayer to Norm, the god of fishing and luck, tonight asking him to watch over Opie. — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Who asked you anything guy? And this is Pete.

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 I lived in West Virginia where I taught school for one school year. Fall was immensely beautiful, but the rest of my experience there left much to be desired. Willi

        god made west virginia long before he came up with north carolina.  obviously, practice makes perfect. your friend in the old north state wayno

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…none of us knew when you were coming in or where you were staying. sorry we missed you. i was the last one out this afternoon. hope the rain let up for you… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    don’t know where them boys are at exactly, but I’ve got a Tracker comin up from Georgia and goin to meet me at Popeye’s Restaraunt in Robbinsville and we’re goin to find them…. Probably won’t get there until Fri or Sat nite…….they me have all left by then….Fri Sat and Sun I’ll be at http://www.atcampground.com/index.html john

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   don’t know where them boys are at exactly, but I’ve got a Tracker comin up from Georgia and goin to meet me at Popeye’s Restaraunt in Robbinsville and we’re goin to find them…. Probably won’t get there until Fri or Sat nite…….they me have all left by then….Fri Sat and Sun I’ll be at http://www.atcampground.com/index.html john

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  don’t know where them boys are at exactly, but I’ve got a Tracker comin up from Georgia and goin to meet me at Popeye’s Restaraunt in Robbinsville and we’re goin to find them…. Probably won’t get there until Fri or Sat nite…….they me have all left by then….Fri Sat and Sun I’ll be at http://www.atcampground.com/index.html

I just got back from there, not sure how many are staying into the weekend. Just head up towards the Snowbird back country area and you should find Opie and Wolfgang’s tent city encampment. Back down towards the paved road is IJ and Big Dales cabin (just across the bridge from the road and up to the left, 2nd or 3rd cabin). Before you get to the back country turnoff you will see a bed and breakfast sign on the left. Turn in there and keep left and you will find Jeff, Walt and Tom’s cabin. Wayno is in the luxurious San Ran Motel in Robbinsville. The weather was great the two days I was there, and fish were being caught (some wild, some native, some just passing through<g). — Charlie…

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Opie and Wolfgang have broken camp and just arrived back in Lenoir.  We will be fishing’s Upper Creek in the morn.  Tom has left, wayno and Walt will leave in the morn, but I think IJ, Big D, and Jeff will be stayin’ thru Sat. I won’t bore anyone with a piss poor TR, as I was the only one there that didn’t catch a fish! Op

  don’t know where them boys are at exactly, but I’ve got a Tracker comin up from Georgia and goin to meet me at Popeye’s Restaraunt in Robbinsville and we’re goin to find them…. Probably won’t get there until Fri or Sat nite…….they me have all left by then….Fri Sat and Sun I’ll be at

http://www.atcampground.com/index.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got back from there, not sure how many are staying into the weekend. Just head up towards the Snowbird back country area and you should find Opie and Wolfgang’s tent city encampment. Back down towards the paved road is IJ and Big Dales cabin (just across the bridge from the road and up to the left, 2nd or 3rd cabin). Before you get to the back country turnoff you will see a bed and breakfast sign on the left. Turn in there and keep left and you will find Jeff, Walt and Tom’s cabin. Wayno is in the luxurious San Ran Motel in Robbinsville. The weather was great the two days I was there, and fish were being caught (some wild, some native, some just passing through<g). — Charlie…

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I won’t bore anyone with a piss poor TR, as I was the only one there that didn’t catch a fish!

It’s okay Opie!  I am here for you!  It seems that another difference between us is that my mentors know how to fish and help me catch fish! Perhaps you can borrow one of mine like Willi, Brian Nelson, RW,  etc. Or even George might be able to teach you something! <bseg — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Is that you George? Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I won’t bore anyone with a piss poor TR, as I was the only one there that didn’t catch a fish! It’s okay Opie!  I am here for you!  It seems that another difference between us is that my mentors know how to fish and help me catch fish! Perhaps you can borrow one of mine like Willi, Brian Nelson, RW,  etc. Or even George might be able to teach you something! <bseg — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Well, looks like I’ll have some rain…..what were you fishin with? john

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Well, looks like I’ll have some rain…..what were you fishin with?

Mostly yellow humpies and parachute adams were what I used, not real sure about the others. Yellow typically works well there. My fall back fly up there is an orange stimulator but I didn’t try one this trip. — Charlie…

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Is that you George?

Is that you Skunked?

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Well, looks like I’ll have some rain…..what were you fishin with?

        a chemist from kansas by way of hotlanta, mostly.  tent shaped body and white hackle.  :)         naw, really, stimulators in both orange and royal style met with success on the beautiful little wild rainbows over on hazel. wolfgang, jeffie, and waldo slayed em (literally) on my former secret honey hole.         wayno         and if you don’t think carolina is just as pretty as colorado, come drive the cherohala skyway in mid october.

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        wayno         and if you don’t think carolina is just as pretty as colorado, come drive the cherohala skyway in mid october.

People in Colorado drive to the mountains to see the changing Aspen. The scene is nice but it is a shadow of fall’s spendor back east. I lived in West Virginia where I taught school for one school year. Fall was immensely beautiful, but the rest of my experience there left much to be desired. Willi

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   a chemist from kansas by way of hotlanta, mostly.  tent shaped body and white hackle.  :)

Certainly you meant to type "chiseled" and accidently typed "tent shaped". <g — Charlie…

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Trust me Opus.  What I don’t know about fly fishing is infinitely greater then what I know, and no, that wasn’t me Opus.  I’m just a Ghost of Fly Fishing Past.  My name hangs on the winds of time.  You know me, you just don’t understand the whispered words. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is that you George? Op I won’t bore anyone with a piss poor TR, as I was the only one there that didn’t catch a fish! It’s okay Opie!  I am here for you!  It seems that another difference between us is that my mentors know how to fish and help me catch fish! Perhaps you can borrow one of mine like Willi, Brian Nelson, RW,  etc. Or even George might be able to teach you something! <bseg — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Hi Likely to visit BC in Aug 2001. Have read a magazine article on pink salmon fishing, which sounds good. Is it really, or is this just magazine hype? Fishing on Harrison and Vedder rivers. Any advice on fishing, flies etc. much appreciated. Chris

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Haven’t experienced it, but apparently if you look up "crowded" in an illustrated dictionary, there’s a picture of the Vedder. JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Likely to visit BC in Aug 2001. Have read a magazine article on pink salmon fishing, which sounds good. Is it really, or is this just magazine hype? Fishing on Harrison and Vedder rivers. Any advice on fishing, flies etc. much appreciated.

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Hi Likely to visit BC in Aug 2001. Have read a magazine article on pink salmon fishing, which sounds good. Is it really, or is this just magazine hype? Fishing on Harrison and Vedder rivers. Any advice on fishing, flies etc. much appreciated. Chris

Chris, I lived in Alaska for a few years and Pacific Salmon fishing in BC should be about the same.  Try not to target Pink Salmon is you intend to eat what you catch.  Pink Salmon, especially after 3 minutes in fresh water, is barely about one step below most cat food.  In August, you may be able to get some early Silver/Coho Salmon which fight like a bastard and are excellent eating.  Whatever you do, don’t bother eating any Pink Salmon caught in fresh water. Most of the Salmon fishing I did with a fly rod was done with egg pattern flies.  This is about the only type of fly to use.  Dry flies would be an entire waste of time, and streamers wouldn’t be as effective.  A double-egger on a long-shank size 6 hook is good, these are commercially available and I wouldn’t bother tying my own.  They are certainly not works of art by any stretch of the imagination and will probably be worn out after half a dozen or so fish. Salmon rivers are usually subjected to a significant amount of fishing pressure, so you might not be all alone when you fish.  The general technique was a simple roll cast and drift.  Over and over and over. Some lead 12-24" from the ‘fly’, enough to keep the lead bouncing off of the bottom, is generally required to be successful.  If possible, fishing in tidal areas on incoming tides is best. Good luck, and enjoy your trip. Tom G Before you buy.

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It’s not hype. Hit the runs just right and you can hook 2 or 3 dozen fish in a few hours. The Harrison alone supports runs exceeding a million fish. The best fishing is from the last week of Sept into the 1st half of Oct. Flies are simple. Size #8 of bright pink or cerise. A sparse wing of bucktail or synthetic. A bright body of tinsel. Use a sink tip or a mono-core line. If you need additional advice email me at: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Likely to visit BC in Aug 2001. Have read a magazine article on pink salmon fishing, which sounds good. Is it really, or is this just magazine hype? Fishing on Harrison and Vedder rivers. Any advice on fishing, flies etc. much appreciated. Chris

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For several years we have gone to Vancouver Island about that time and fished  for pinks, and coho.  We have taken to using the fly rods for pinks and either trolling or casting flies from the boat in the bays.  Last trip 3 of us had over 30 pinks in an hour on the fly rods.  Pink and red hootchies in the smallest size worked well for trolling and egg flies when casting. There were so many at times that they fought over the flies. I second the motion on eating them. Don’t if they have been in fresh water at all and they aren’t very good still in salt either. Ted – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Likely to visit BC in Aug 2001. Have read a magazine article on pink salmon fishing, which sounds good. Is it really, or is this just magazine hype? Fishing on Harrison and Vedder rivers. Any advice on fishing, flies etc. much appreciated. Chris Chris, I lived in Alaska for a few years and Pacific Salmon fishing in BC should be about the same.  Try not to target Pink Salmon is you intend to eat what you catch.  Pink Salmon, especially after 3 minutes in fresh water, is barely about one step below most cat food.  In August, you may be able to get some early Silver/Coho Salmon which fight like a bastard and are excellent eating.  Whatever you do, don’t bother eating any Pink Salmon caught in fresh water. Most of the Salmon fishing I did with a fly rod was done with egg pattern flies.  This is about the only type of fly to use.  Dry flies would be an entire waste of time, and streamers wouldn’t be as effective.  A double-egger on a long-shank size 6 hook is good, these are commercially available and I wouldn’t bother tying my own.  They are certainly not works of art by any stretch of the imagination and will probably be worn out after half a dozen or so fish. Salmon rivers are usually subjected to a significant amount of fishing pressure, so you might not be all alone when you fish.  The general technique was a simple roll cast and drift.  Over and over and over. Some lead 12-24" from the ‘fly’, enough to keep the lead bouncing off of the bottom, is generally required to be successful.  If possible, fishing in tidal areas on incoming tides is best. Good luck, and enjoy your trip. Tom G Before you buy.

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I second the motion on eating them. Don’t if they have been in fresh water at all and they aren’t very good still in salt either. Ted

a saltwater pink salmon is fine to eat.  it is milder and less oily than coho.  the thing you must do is bleed the fish and get it on ice pronto… and eat it the same day. in the saltwater fisheries i fish, pinks are just by-catch during coho fishing. in august on the west coast of van. island the coho should be running pretty good.  while i fish the offshore waters between washington and van. island… i can bet the offshore fishing all down the west coast of the island will be pretty damn good… especially if next season resembles this past coho season.  i’m pretty sure there will also be some pink salmon fishing along many of the islands beaches. as for whether pinks are just magazine hype, it depends on who you ask.   cb

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I now wade the same water *without* the scarey vibrations.

I get the vibrations even with my Folstaf.  That tells me I better not walk into that water. Mu

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Hello: Who is the manufacturer of Folstaff wading staffs? Bob

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Hello: Who is the manufacturer of Folstaff wading staffs?

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If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether ?

Would it be edible ? — Ken Fortenberry

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If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether

    Certainly C&R, but I just got my smoker!!!  Fish is brain food!! JE

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If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

depends big guy….your last foray into robotics had quite a few bugs waldo

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If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether ? Tim Walker

Well Moe Timwalker, Sooner or later I figured you’d have to ask that question or a variant thereof. If we could develop virtual reality that plugged directly into our brains and appeared indistinguishable from "reality" would you give up living "normally"? Would you believe such a thing were possible eventually? Or would you just commit suicide if such a thing were ever developed?  Do you believe in the existence of a spirit inside living (or even inanimate) things? If we could develop a computer that was powerful enough to exceed the human brain in all aspects, would it have a soul?  Do we have souls? You are asking a question that is too deep for anyone to reply in a satisfactory manner on a newsgroup.  The responses will just end up being fodder in a feeding frenzy like so much food pellets being thrown into a pond full of hatchery trout(*).   Mu Young Lee         Ann Arbor, MI   USA (*)I have seen this at Kananaskis Lodge in Alberta.  The old guy with the feed pail from the gift shop walks out to the articifial pond.  Before he even chucks his first handful of fish chow, all the rainbow trout begin violently jockeying for position.

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If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether ?

If I could develop a robotic version of your wife, that would act very much like your real wife, but that would never nag you about the time you spend fishing, would you ever go home? — something bogus to avoid spam)

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If grasshoppers had machine-guns, would the birds fuck with them? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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anyone truly interested in this sort of question would do well to read Phillip K. Dick’s brillant sci-fi novel "Do Android’s Dream of Electric Sheep", the book that "Blade Runner" was based upon. But that movie struck me as warm pablum after the biting ambiguity of PK Dick. Ralphbot (who may or may not have a soul) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether

That’s all we need now,a Stepford trout. Ah, can we fish them with Walt’s

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If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether ?

Would there be little robotic birds and bugs and stuff? And maybe a robotic Ranger too? — Charlie…

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If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether

Only if it was mandatory catch and release.  A robotic trout is too valuable to catch only once.  :-)      - Ken — "To listen to some devout people, one would imagine that God never laughs."         – Ghose Aurobindo

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Ken Janik wrote If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether Only if it was mandatory catch and release.  A robotic trout is too valuable to catch only once.  :-)

Unfortunately, if T-bone is to be believed, the C&R’d robots wouldn’t give as good a fight on subsequent catchings because after all, they’re "very much like a real trout" and as we all know from sir Bone’s tracts, no trout once released is ever worth being caught again. But no, in answer to the original question.  I’d rather fish for the real thing. —                                                       -dnc-

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether ? Tim Walker Well Moe Timwalker, Sooner or later I figured you’d have to ask that question or a variant thereof. If we could develop virtual reality that plugged directly into our brains and appeared indistinguishable from "reality" would you give up living "normally"? Would you believe such a thing were possible eventually? Or would you just commit suicide if such a thing were ever developed?  Do you believe in the existence of a spirit inside living (or even inanimate) things? If we could develop a computer that was powerful enough to exceed the human brain in all aspects, would it have a soul?  Do we have souls? You are asking a question that is too deep for anyone to reply in a satisfactory manner on a newsgroup.  The responses will just end up being fodder in a feeding frenzy like so much food pellets being thrown into a pond full of hatchery trout(*).   Mu Young Lee         Ann Arbor, MI   USA

  I think you put a bit too much paint on that motionless rock Mu. The question didn’t seem to require a view into existence. More like a yes, no, or a maybe or what kind of chip… you know, mundane shit. (*)I have seen this at Kananaskis Lodge in Alberta.  The old guy with the feed pail from the gift shop walks out to the articifial pond.  Before he even chucks his first handful of fish chow, all the rainbow trout begin violently jockeying for position.

I have seen grown men reduced to fisticuffs on The Fork over a rising fish. I guess Pavlovian responses are in the eyes of the beholder, I know a few fish that are still laughing thief ventrals off at me. Hm

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If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether ? Tim Walker

        (snip)         the profundity of that question is breathtaking.  mu young is right.  i don’t know if one can formulate a full response in the newsgroup forum.  the image goes to the very heart of why we fish.  it makes jon’s signature (we are fishermen, we kill fish, or something like that) come into focus.  i say to all of you that the vast majority of us would answer tim’s question:  "no"; because a very important part of fishing is the act of "taking", either by subduing and releasing, or killing, the fish.  a bot fish could not be conquered, or killed.  it would not feel alive in our hands.  we would not be gods for a moment, which i think is at the heart of why we fish.         just a start. wayno

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether ? Tim Walker    (snip)    the profundity of that question is breathtaking.  mu young is right.  i don’t know if one can formulate a full response in the newsgroup forum.  the image goes to the very heart of why we fish.  it makes jon’s signature (we are fishermen, we kill fish, or something like that) come into focus.  i say to all of you that the vast majority of us would answer tim’s question:  "no"; because a very important part of fishing is the act of "taking", either by subduing and releasing, or killing, the fish.  a bot fish could not be conquered, or killed.  it would not feel alive in our hands.  we would not be gods for a moment, which i think is at the heart of why we fish.    just a start. wayno

No,  it would remove  feel from the touch, the heart from the act, the I from me.  It would be a handful of dirt in a domain of gold, of no value,no place  a continuation of a start HM

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Hey T-Bone,      If you made some robotic animals, maybe some of us blood thirsty people could shoot fake animals and tie flies with their wires to catch these magical robotic fish.  Then we could sit down to a wonderful feast of circuits, metal, and vegetables with our wonderful android wives.  Yeah, that is a great idea.  Try living in the real world with the rest of us for awhile, you dimwit.  Thanks for your time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I could develop a robotic trout that would act very much like a real trout and I put these things in pond and stream and allowed you to cast for them, would you consider quitting fishing for the living version altogether ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (snip) the profundity of that question is breathtaking.  mu young is right.  i don’t know if one can formulate a full response in the newsgroup forum.  the image goes to the very heart of why we fish.  it makes jon’s signature (we are fishermen, we kill fish, or something like that) come into focus.  i say to all of you that the vast majority of us would answer tim’s question:  "no"; because a very important part of fishing is the act of "taking", either by subduing and releasing, or killing, the fish.  a bot fish could not be conquered, or killed.  it would not feel alive in our hands.  we would not be gods for a moment, which i think is at the heart of why we fish. just a start. wayno

Amen! Wayne Tim Apple " Always one step closer to going Postal! "

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Hey T-Bone,     If you made some robotic animals, maybe some of us blood thirsty people could shoot fake animals and tie flies with their wires to catch these magical robotic fish.  Then we could sit down to a wonderful feast of circuits, metal, and vegetables with our wonderful android wives.  Yeah, that is a great idea.  Try living in the real world with the rest of us for awhile, you dimwit.  Thanks for your time.

While I appreciate the thoughtful and kind comments Rick… I’m dead serious.  We are currently soliciting venture capital for the research.  I currently have friends at the Trident submarine research center evaluating the economivc feasibility of the project.  As it stands now, we will need to get the production cost of each fishbot under about ~$2500 to make this venture profitable, and I am optimistic that we can do that.  I am really hoping that some of the people in the semiconducter and firmware businesses here will become partners once we have established their worthiness.  Ken Janik is fairly high on our candidacy list. With my ‘alive’ post I was looking for a little marketing input from this group of flyfishermen, who I trust will tell me the truth.  That is, would the engage in the sport at all.  Does the quarry have to be alive to make flyfishing interesting ?. This is proprietary, discussion, please leave it here (I trust you guys). I have developed a game…and posted the detailed rules over 8 years ago.  I will summarize it here for you.  I intend to name the game FLOG, for starters.  It will be conducted on a FLOG course and consist of a variety of challenging lies to test your flyfishing prowess.  As you approach a hole, be it a spring creek, pond, rapid or what have you, a small reset button is pressed and the fishbots are reset to an initial ‘unspooked’ state.  This will ensure parity on the course, for each player. Each hole will have a ‘par’ that is, the number of casts allowed. When you catch a fish, you stop and count your strokes and weigh the fish.  The winner is a combination of low strokes and pounds of fish released. We had originally intended to use living animals for this game, but they are too unpredictable to make it fair and we are afraid that this will cause us problems with animal rights groups in the future. Do you have any suggestions that might help us make this work ? Your pal, — TimW President Pisces Simulation Systems

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(unfair attack on a great american entrepernuer snipped) While I appreciate the thoughtful and kind comments Rick… I’m dead serious.  We are currently soliciting venture capital for the research.  I currently have friends at the Trident submarine research center evaluating the economivc feasibility of the project.  As it stands now, we will need to get the production cost of each fishbot under about ~$2500 to make this venture profitable, and I am optimistic that we can do that.  I am really hoping that some of the people in the semiconducter and firmware businesses here will become partners once we have established their worthiness.  Ken Janik is fairly high on our candidacy list.

        great choice, tim.  dr. janik is a legendary botboy. With my ‘alive’ post I was looking for a little marketing input from this group of flyfishermen, who I trust will tell me the truth.  That is, would the engage in the sport at all.  Does the quarry have to be alive to make flyfishing interesting ?. This is proprietary, discussion, please leave it here (I trust you guys).

        (fascinating proposal snipped)         we here at little wayno’s guide service (we never close) would certainly appreciate the opportunity to lend the considerable weight of our own capital resources to the exciting effort you at pisces systems have inaugurated.  it would be our hope that we might be considered as a franchise holder for the smokey mtn natl park.  while the exact amount of the investment must await approval by our board of directors, i think it is safe to predict a number sufficient to purchase the state of rhode island. for the firm wayno

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If I could develop a robotic version of your wife, that would act very much like your real wife, but that would never nag you about the time you spend fishing, would you ever go home?

    Is she programmable? JE – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — something bogus to avoid spam)

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depends big guy….your last foray into robotics had quite a few bugs

Yeah, but it looks like we’ve worked most of them out. And unlike the mythical story of (?) who escalated gift giving each time, I will stop now and simply say thank you for the early colorado mining images. They now grace my office wall. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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I’m dead serious.  We are currently soliciting venture capital for the research.  I currently have friends at the Trident submarine research center evaluating the economivc feasibility of the project.  As it stands now, we will need to get the production cost of each fishbot under about ~$2500 to make this venture profitable, and I am optimistic that we can do that.  I am

 <snip Please convince your backers to put up some money for development of fembot fishing wives. Mu Young Lee, feeling like 6 Million Dollars on a great winter day.

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Hey T-Bone,     If you made some robotic animals, maybe some of us blood thirsty I’m dead serious.  We are currently soliciting venture capital for the research.  I currently have friends at the Trident submarine research center evaluating the economivc feasibility of the project.  As it stands now, we will need to get the production cost of each fishbot under about ~$2500 to make this venture profitable, and I am optimistic that we can do that.  I am really hoping that some of the people in the semiconducter and firmware businesses here will become partners once we have established their worthiness.  Ken Janik is fairly high on our candidacy list.

I’m afraid I will have to decline.  Currently I’m working on a robotic PETA-droid.  It will post neverending articles to usenet to allow all lowlife hunters, fishermen, and meat-eaters to realize the horrible pain and torture they inflict on the poor innocent little creatures. Don’t tell anyone, but the code name is Tiresome-BOring Neverending Excrement. SSSHH, for your eyes only.      - Ken — "To listen to some devout people, one would imagine that God never laughs."         – Ghose Aurobindo

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Do you have any suggestions that might help us make this work ? Your pal, — TimW President Pisces Simulation Systems

Stay at home and play Trophy Rivers on your damn box. Now would I be ashamed to poach a few? May be with a hunting rifle from above the pool. Always willing to help out and change the odds. You ought to here about the gophers that I’m sending to the clave. — Doug Knight                                     metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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Without question, the greatest challenge in saltwater fly-fishing is the casting. To achieve consistent success, fly-fishers must be able to deliver a fly in excess of 50 feet–and usually they must be able to do this in the wind. Although there are a number of fly-casting tapes on the market, Saltwater Fly-Casting: 10 Steps to Distance and Power is the first video fly-casting program available: a detailed overview of the mechanics of distance fly-casting, coupled with a step-by-step practice program viewers can use to become more effective fly-casters. The program focuses on the specific needs of saltwater anglers, but is of value to all fly-fishers who wish to add distance and power to their casts. Hosted by George V. Roberts Jr., author of A Fly-Fisher

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Has anyone tried fly fishing for catfish? What type of flys did you use have suggestions.

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Has anyone tried fly fishing for catfish? What type of flys did you use have suggestions. Try hand grenades.  Be sure to use a tapered leader.

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For Immediate Release Announcing the Boca Grande Fly fishing School’s November Session Where:  Uncle Henry’s Marina Resort in Boca Grande, Fl When:  November 14 thru 16, 1997 Levels of Experience: all levels, novice thru expert Class Size: max. 12 Instructors:  3 Theme:  "Learn to Fly Fish, not just Fly Cast" Special Features:       1. Actual fishing with your instructors                         2. All instructors present at all times                         3. Minimum classroom time                         4. Instructional text book                         5. Finest Sage rods                         6. Saturday evening Bar-B-Que Includes:       1. All tackle                 2. Fishing license                 3. Lunch and refreshments                 4. Guided fishing with your instructor What to bring: hat, sunglasses, sunscreen, rain jacket, and a Sense of Humor Cost: $495.00 per angler (Family Rates available) Contact: Capt.. Pete Greenan 1-941-923-6095 or http://www.floridaflyfishing.com/FFSchools.html — http://www.floridaflyfishing.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For Immediate Release Announcing the Boca Grande Fly fishing School’s November Session Where:  Uncle Henry’s Marina Resort in Boca Grande, Fl When:  November 14 thru 16, 1997 Levels of Experience: all levels, novice thru expert Class Size: max. 12 Instructors:  3 Theme:  "Learn to Fly Fish, not just Fly Cast" Special Features:       1. Actual fishing with your instructors 2. All instructors present at all times                         3. Minimum classroom time                         4. Instructional text book                         5. Finest Sage rods                         6. Saturday evening Bar-B-Que Includes:       1. All tackle                 2. Fishing license                 3. Lunch and refreshments                 4. Guided fishing with your instructor What to bring: hat, sunglasses, sunscreen, rain jacket, and a Sense of Humor Cost: $495.00 per angler (Family Rates available) Contact: Capt.. Pete Greenan 1-941-923-6095 or http://www.floridaflyfishing.com/FFSchools.html — http://www.floridaflyfishing.com

OK Tim, this is an ad so I consider it fair game!   — William J. Hobson, CNE,CNA Network and Computing Support Services Texas Engineering Experiment Station Phone: (409) 845-5808

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PLEASE EVERY BODY dont wast your money on this, if you want real advise book a charter boat captian, they’ll teach you how to do all that with PRIVATE instruction and are usually CHEAPER. Here is one I know http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/toccoa/Default.htm#Captain -Paradoxal – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For Immediate Release Announcing the Boca Grande Fly fishing School’s November Session Where:  Uncle Henry’s Marina Resort in Boca Grande, Fl When:  November 14 thru 16, 1997 Levels of Experience: all levels, novice thru expert Class Size: max. 12 Instructors:  3 Theme:  "Learn to Fly Fish, not just Fly Cast" Special Features:       1. Actual fishing with your instructors 2. All instructors present at all times                         3. Minimum classroom time                         4. Instructional text book                         5. Finest Sage rods                         6. Saturday evening Bar-B-Que Includes:       1. All tackle                 2. Fishing license                 3. Lunch and refreshments                 4. Guided fishing with your instructor What to bring: hat, sunglasses, sunscreen, rain jacket, and a Sense of Humor Cost: $495.00 per angler (Family Rates available) Contact: Capt.. Pete Greenan 1-941-923-6095 or http://www.floridaflyfishing.com/FFSchools.html — http://www.floridaflyfishing.com

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[rip...] Boulder: A prime reason to resume above-ground nuclear weapons testing.

What do you think Rocky Flats is there for ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks.

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I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks.

if you read john gierach, you would get a pretty good idea of what the area is like…it is his haunt and he does talk about it a lot… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks. Saw Hill Ponds, off 75th st. in Boulder.  Big bluegill and lots of bass, some very large.  I know it ain’t trout, but the panfish action will be great this time of year.  Tell him to walk to the back ponds. JE

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: I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor : Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have : any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information : would be appreciated.  Thanks. Right under the library downtown.  I believe I’ve seen that big fish from Vail there… I guess it makes road trips.  (Will I ever stop flogging this horse?) — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor : Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have : any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information : would be appreciated.  Thanks. Right under the library downtown.  I believe I’ve seen that big fish from Vail there… I guess it makes road trips.  (Will I ever stop flogging this horse?)

If you go under the library, or downstream at the observatory, make sure it is well after midnight…those literary types get all bent out of shape when you creel a couple for dinner in front of them… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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: I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor : Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have : any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information : would be appreciated.  Thanks. Right under the library downtown.  I believe I’ve seen that big fish from Vail there… I guess it makes road trips.  (Will I ever stop flogging this horse?) If you go under the library, or downstream at the observatory, make sure it is well after midnight…those literary types get all bent out of shape when you creel a couple for dinner in front of them…

I would not try to smoke any tobacco products either.  They get pretty testy about that shit.  Noone will bug you if you decide to spark up a Fat One:-) though, in fact they may want to join you. I would also avoid taking dumpsters, lighting them on fire, and then rolling them down The Hill at policemen. You can, however, get away with murder in that town.  If you do kill someone, the police will posture for months and then bust some poor homeless guy on drugs instead. Boulder: A prime reason to resume above-ground nuclear weapons testing. </chaz

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Hi I live in Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur) and I would really like to go somewhere and do some fly fishing in Malaysia. The problem is that I have not been able to find anything about fly fishing here. It seems like this sport has not arrived here yet. Is there anyone out there who can help me on this. I started fly fishing in Sweden, but moved to Malaysia before I really got the hang of it. So I do need to get starting again. Also, is there a shop where I can buy stuff for tying my own flies here? Thanks for any replies /Bengt Thur

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Just bought a copy of Farrow Allen-Dick Stewart’s  book, Trout flies. It’s far and away obove the ORVIS book I’ve been using! Can’t get better pictures and descriptions…worth all of the 55$ Canadian I paid. Think of it. That’s only about 39.95$ US….. and what the hell has happened to our $. It’s no wonder we’re getting poorer. You USA residents cannot get a better vacation deal than coming to Canada. It’s a bargain when you use  US dollars! Not just the fishing but the meals, hotels etcetera. Hell, I went to Scotland this year and paid the equivalent of 150$US for a bed and breakfast! Nice, mind you but very pricey by comparison. No doubt in my mind, the best deals anywhere in the world are right here in North America and in particular.. Canada!

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Sounds pretty good!  How do I get a copy, I can’t find it in my local fly-fishing shop?

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