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7)  Why do geese have those white cheeks? Mr. G.

Why is it when geese make those long " Vs" to fly north and south each year one side of the "V" is longer than the other? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ans: There’s more geese on that   side.

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Duh… Water would get in their buttholes otherwise…

That’s why salmon don’t use Japanese toilets, too… — Charlie…

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Ari?  You’re question which is only a few words is like asking, "Why is an orange?"

Or, "you are question" — Gary (Email address is munged with x’s)

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If I were a "smart" salmon I’d just stay in the ocean and grow to a gargantuan size. Unfortunately, I wouldn’t pass my "smart"" genes on to any more salmon.

Ya wouldn’t get any sex either Darin

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Not all salmon do travel upstream. Chum salmon spawn in the lower reaches of the streams. Darin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the urge to spawn upstream all about? Ari?  You’re question which is only a few words is like asking, "Why is an orange?" Do your really expect anyone here to give you the full biological aspects and possibilities on "Why Do Salmon Spawn Way Up Rivers?" There are a thousand reasons why and control mechanisms that determine not only the why of it but the who, where, when, and how of it. There are the following controlling and/or influencing aspects that can and do affect all mammals on this earth. 1)  The phases of the moon. 2)  The position of the earth around the sun which is a seasonal aspect 3)  Earth temperatures 4)  Length of the day that sunshine baths this planet in the hemispheres. 5)  Magnetic lines of incidence 6)  Magnetic declination 7)  Why do geese have those white cheeks?  Water temperatures 9)  Water scents and/or minerals that salmon smell and home in on. 10) Those god awful dams that used to NOT be there. 11) All those stinking chemicals man puts in water today salmon are expected to overcome. 12) Your toilet and your bowels and that it all goes down hill. 13) Clearcutting and over sedimentation of your stream beds. 14) The  lowering of the water tables that stop springs from bubbling UP in streams anymore where REDDS ‘used’ to be. 15) The long liners and Japanese fishing theives in you Gulf of Alaska and over fishing. 16) No natural, UNRESTRICTED fish ladders AROUND ALL dams. 17) Over commericial fishing. 18) Those greedy, Indian Gill Nets that choke all the rivers from the ocean so the big ones don’t get by. 19) This causes the weakening of the species becausze the strong genes are destroyed for money. 20) I hate you for asking this unresponsible question because it serves no purpose and you’re not going to do a thing about it. 21) I hope termites eat your house up. 22) The monkey barks at midnight. 23) The dog ate my homework. 24) Que sera sera. 25) Kay Ballard 26) Wanna buy some redhots? 27) Oompa loompa doompety do. Wolfgang more to come……betcha a shiny new nickel.    

28) The temperature inside the Little Brown Trucks 29) How much Gink could a Dumb Dink Drink if a Dumb Dink Could Drink Gink? 30) The Trilateral Commission /daytripper (Ha hah! Bet you didn’t see that last one coming

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If I were a "smart" salmon I’d just stay in the ocean and grow to a gargantuan size. Unfortunately, I wouldn’t pass my "smart"" genes on to any more salmon. Ya wouldn’t get any sex either

So basically things would be the same for him if he were a salmon. <g — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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28) The temperature inside the Little Brown Trucks 29) How much Gink could a Dumb Dink Drink if a Dumb Dink Could Drink Gink? 30) The Trilateral Commission

31) They’re trying to smoke what is in Daytripper’s peace pipe. 32) They want to take away Wolfgang’s dictionary! 33) Waldo wading in the surf and so they ran to the rivers to get away from the smell! 34) They are trying to come and watch LaCourse play with his goat 35) They heard that RW would try and snag them on the redds and thought it was an urban legend so came anyways — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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If I were a "smart" salmon I’d just stay in the ocean and grow to a gargantuan size. Unfortunately, I wouldn’t pass my "smart"" genes on to any more salmon. Ya wouldn’t get any sex either So basically things would be the same for him if he were a salmon. <g

Well, maybe that, but look on the bright side. I wouldn’t be slowly dying in shallow water, being eaten alive by eagles and crows, and dogs wouldn’t be rolling in my stinking carcass. (BTW, we had a big salmon run this year and I’ve had to wash Arlo with tomato juice frequently.) When you get out to Stanley next time, Warren, there’s a fat chick I want to set you up with. Bring some hip boots if you have them, and I suspect you do, if you know what I mean.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the urge to spawn upstream all about? Ari?  You’re question which is only a few words is like asking, "Why is an orange?" Do your really expect anyone here to give you the full biological aspects and possibilities on "Why Do Salmon Spawn Way Up Rivers?" There are a thousand reasons why and control mechanisms that determine not only the why of it but the who, where, when, and how of it. There are the following controlling and/or influencing aspects that can and do affect all mammals on this earth. 1)  The phases of the moon. 2)  The position of the earth around the sun which is a seasonal aspect 3)  Earth temperatures 4)  Length of the day that sunshine baths this planet in the hemispheres. 5)  Magnetic lines of incidence 6)  Magnetic declination 7)  Why do geese have those white cheeks?  Water temperatures 9)  Water scents and/or minerals that salmon smell and home in on. 10) Those god awful dams that used to NOT be there. 11) All those stinking chemicals man puts in water today salmon are expected to overcome. 12) Your toilet and your bowels and that it all goes down hill. 13) Clearcutting and over sedimentation of your stream beds. 14) The  lowering of the water tables that stop springs from bubbling UP in streams anymore where REDDS ‘used’ to be. 15) The long liners and Japanese fishing theives in you Gulf of Alaska and over fishing. 16) No natural, UNRESTRICTED fish ladders AROUND ALL dams. 17) Over commericial fishing. 18) Those greedy, Indian Gill Nets that choke all the rivers from the ocean so the big ones don’t get by. 19) This causes the weakening of the species becausze the strong genes are destroyed for money. 20) I hate you for asking this unresponsible question because it serves no purpose and you’re not going to do a thing about it. 21) I hope termites eat your house up.

22) The monkey barks at midnight. 23) The dog ate my homework. 24) Que sera sera. 25) Kay Ballard 26) Wanna buy some redhots? 27) Oompa loompa doompety do. Wolfgang more to come……betcha a shiny new nickel.    

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What is the urge to spawn upstream all about?

Ari?  You’re question which is only a few words is like asking, "Why is an orange?" Do your really expect anyone here to give you the full biological aspects and possibilities on "Why Do Salmon Spawn Way Up Rivers?" There are a thousand reasons why and control mechanisms that determine not only the why of it but the who, where, when, and how of it. There are the following controlling and/or influencing aspects that can and do affect all mammals on this earth. 1)  The phases of the moon. 2)  The position of the earth around the sun which is a seasonal aspect 3)  Earth temperatures 4)  Length of the day that sunshine baths this planet in the hemispheres. 5)  Magnetic lines of incidence 6)  Magnetic declination 7)  Why do geese have those white cheeks?  Water temperatures 9)  Water scents and/or minerals that salmon smell and home in on. 10) Those god awful dams that used to NOT be there. 11) All those stinking chemicals man puts in water today salmon are expected to overcome. 12) Your toilet and your bowels and that it all goes down hill. 13) Clearcutting and over sedimentation of your stream beds. 14) The  lowering of the water tables that stop springs from bubbling UP in streams anymore where REDDS ‘used’ to be. 15) The long liners and Japanese fishing theives in you Gulf of Alaska and over fishing. 16) No natural, UNRESTRICTED fish ladders AROUND ALL dams. 17) Over commericial fishing. 18) Those greedy, Indian Gill Nets that choke all the rivers from the ocean so the big ones don’t get by. 19) This causes the weakening of the species becausze the strong genes are destroyed for money. 20) I hate you for asking this unresponsible question because it serves no purpose and you’re not going to do a thing about it. 21) I hope termites eat your house up. Mr. G.

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Duh… Water would get in their buttholes otherwise… — TBone

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Fish head in all sorts of directions. * Anadromous – natal-rear/spawn in freshwater, adult-rear in sea – eg, salmon * Catadromous – natal-rear/spawn in sea, adult-rear in freshwater – eg, eels * Potadromous (aka Adfluvial) – natal-rear/spawn in headwater    streams, adult-rear in lakes – eg, bull trout, rainbow * Fluvial – natal-rear/spawn in headwater streams, adult-rear in mainstem    stream – eg, bull trout, rainbow, cutthroat * Resident – natal-rear/adult-rear/spawn in stream, no migration * Panadromous – natal-rear/adult-rear somewhere, caught and cooked in frying pan Thomas Gilg

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I currently live in a fairly large city in a fairly flat area, yet I yearn to be back in my home of the mountains. The pull is great. I consider that instinct and love for my homeland. Drew

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The other thing is that the Smolts must live in the river in their early stages. The further up the river they hatch the more mature and robust they should be when they hit the perils of the Ocean. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also flooding in such areas would be less severe and of shorter duration, possibly helping the redds stay in tact. Clark I would suspect that it has to do with better spawning habitat being found in the headwaters of salmon rivers. The gradient would usually be greater meaning better oxygenation, less siltation, better egg protecting substrate (gravel and cobble)  and cooler water temps. Just my opinion though. G.Cleveland What is the urge to spawn upstream all about? Zoologically speaking of course, allthough very obviously it’s to feed the bears of course – don’t you watch National Geographic? Jokes aside though, I recently discovered that we have our own upstream migration of Yellowfish every spring, even leaping over man made weirs and other natural structures. Surely the higher you go, the less water you will encounter. Also the further you have to swim downstream, the worse your chance of success, as chance of meeting predators or other dangers become. Also the further you have to swim upstream, the less chance you have of having enough energy to mate and spawn. Or is it a case of, the further you have to swim downstream, the more chance you will have of picking up food along the way and thus being better equipped to handle and survive the dangers of the final? destination. Or maybe a female will prefer a mate who is "fitter" than the rest and has proved that by making an more arduous journey? Does anybody out there know – we didn’t quite study salmon & trout ecology down in this part of the world, and I had never known about our own yellowfish habits until now. Ari Ari Bert Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903 +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230 Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax) Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za         Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa

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It reminds me of my weekend Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why do you pay for dinner on a date? Salmon spawn in shallow, well-oxygenated, gravel-bottomed, flowing water. The farther upstream they go the more of it they find. As to "why" they do it, the salmon aren’t "thinking" about "why" they do it. They just do it. And then they die. It seems to work for them. If I were a "smart" salmon I’d just stay in the ocean and grow to a gargantuan size. Unfortunately, I wouldn’t pass my "smart"" genes on to any more salmon. The most remarkable thing about spawning salmon and steelhead, to me, is just how single-minded they are about spawning. It reminds me of my youth.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It also seems likely that there would be an evolutionary drive to get further upstream to reduce competition.  If you get further up than any of the other salmon, your offspring will have all the food in their neighborhood to themselves. Reasonable enough. Then too, the further upstream, the smaller the potential predators. Quite possibly less of them too. Only those in the river.   I’d be willing to bet one of your shiny nickels that the grizzlies, otters, & eagles are the same size upstream as down. Further (not farther), traveling upstream may expose the salmon to more predators than if he/she stayed put.

I wasn’t thinking of the mama and the papa salmon, but rather the itty bitty babies.  Neither and eagle nor a grizzly is going to get too excited over a quarter inch long fish.  Nor would I for that matter.     Wolfgang

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Why do you pay for dinner on a date? Salmon spawn in shallow, well-oxygenated, gravel-bottomed, flowing water. The farther upstream they go the more of it they find. As to "why" they do it, the salmon aren’t "thinking" about "why" they do it. They just do it. And then they die. It seems to work for them. If I were a "smart" salmon I’d just stay in the ocean and grow to a gargantuan size. Unfortunately, I wouldn’t pass my "smart"" genes on to any more salmon. The most remarkable thing about spawning salmon and steelhead, to me, is just how single-minded they are about spawning. It reminds me of my youth.

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It is a survival thing.  Salmon will try to occupy the whole river as a hedge against any particular part of the river having problems (drought, flood, predators etc).   It is similar to the Atlantic salmon’s strategy of returning at different times and the resultant offspring becoming spring (multi-seawinter) fish, grilse or summer/autumn (fall) fish. It is in order to maximise survival of the species.  Hope this helps. Martin. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the urge to spawn upstream all about? Zoologically speaking of course, allthough very obviously it’s to feed the bears of course – don’t you watch National Geographic? Jokes aside though, I recently discovered that we have our own upstream migration of Yellowfish every spring, even leaping over man made weirs and other natural structures. Surely the higher you go, the less water you will encounter. Also the further you have to swim downstream, the worse your chance of success, as chance of meeting predators or other dangers become. Also the further you have to swim upstream, the less chance you have of having enough energy to mate and spawn. Or is it a case of, the further you have to swim downstream, the more chance you will have of picking up food along the way and thus being better equipped to handle and survive the dangers of the final? destination. Or maybe a female will prefer a mate who is "fitter" than the rest and has proved that by making an more arduous journey? Does anybody out there know – we didn’t quite study salmon & trout ecology down in this part of the world, and I had never known about our own yellowfish habits until now. Ari Ari Bert     Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903    +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230    Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)   Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za            Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa

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Also flooding in such areas would be less severe and of shorter duration, possibly helping the redds stay in tact. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would suspect that it has to do with better spawning habitat being found in the headwaters of salmon rivers. The gradient would usually be greater meaning better oxygenation, less siltation, better egg protecting substrate (gravel and cobble)  and cooler water temps. Just my opinion though. G.Cleveland What is the urge to spawn upstream all about? Zoologically speaking of course, allthough very obviously it’s to feed the bears of course – don’t you watch National Geographic? Jokes aside though, I recently discovered that we have our own upstream migration of Yellowfish every spring, even leaping over man made weirs and other natural structures. Surely the higher you go, the less water you will encounter. Also the further you have to swim downstream, the worse your chance of success, as chance of meeting predators or other dangers become. Also the further you have to swim upstream, the less chance you have of having enough energy to mate and spawn. Or is it a case of, the further you have to swim downstream, the more chance you will have of picking up food along the way and thus being better equipped to handle and survive the dangers of the final? destination. Or maybe a female will prefer a mate who is "fitter" than the rest and has proved that by making an more arduous journey? Does anybody out there know – we didn’t quite study salmon & trout ecology down in this part of the world, and I had never known about our own yellowfish habits until now. Ari Ari Bert Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903 +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230 Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax) Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za         Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa

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@news.worldonline.co.za: Because they’ve done all there is to do downstream Scott

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I would suspect that it has to do with better spawning habitat being found in the headwaters of salmon rivers. The gradient would usually be greater meaning better oxygenation, less siltation, better egg protecting substrate (gravel and cobble)  and cooler water temps. Just my opinion though.

It also seems likely that there would be an evolutionary drive to get further upstream to reduce competition.  If you get further up than any of the other salmon, your offspring will have all the food in their neighborhood to themselves. Then too, the further upstream, the smaller the potential predators.  Quite possibly less of them too. Wolfgang

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It also seems likely that there would be an evolutionary drive to get further upstream to reduce competition.  If you get further up than any of the other salmon, your offspring will have all the food in their neighborhood to themselves.

Reasonable enough. Then too, the further upstream, the smaller the potential predators. Quite possibly less of them too.

Only those in the river.   I’d be willing to bet one of your shiny nickels that the grizzlies, otters, & eagles are the same size upstream as down. Further (not farther), traveling upstream may expose the salmon to more predators than if he/she stayed put. IMHO, I have absolutely no idea *why* they do it, but I’d expect that the farther (not further) a fish makes it upstream would be directly proportional to its health & strength. Joe F.

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I would suspect that it has to do with better spawning habitat being found in the headwaters of salmon rivers. The gradient would usually be greater meaning better oxygenation, less siltation, better egg protecting substrate (gravel and cobble)  and cooler water temps. Just my opinion though. G.Cleveland   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -What is the urge to spawn upstream all about? Zoologically speaking of course, allthough very obviously it’s to feed the bears of course – don’t you watch National Geographic? Jokes aside though, I recently discovered that we have our own upstream migration of Yellowfish every spring, even leaping over man made weirs and other natural structures. Surely the higher you go, the less water you will encounter. Also the further you have to swim downstream, the worse your chance of success, as chance of meeting predators or other dangers become. Also the further you have to swim upstream, the less chance you have of having enough energy to mate and spawn. Or is it a case of, the further you have to swim downstream, the more chance you will have of picking up food along the way and thus being better equipped to handle and survive the dangers of the final? destination. Or maybe a female will prefer a mate who is "fitter" than the rest and has proved that by making an more arduous journey? Does anybody out there know – we didn’t quite study salmon & trout ecology down in this part of the world, and I had never known about our own yellowfish habits until now. Ari Ari Bert                                    Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903                         +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230                         Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                   Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za                            Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa

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What is the urge to spawn upstream all about? Zoologically speaking of course, allthough very obviously it’s to feed the bears of course – don’t you watch National Geographic? Jokes aside though, I recently discovered that we have our own upstream migration of Yellowfish every spring, even leaping over man made weirs and other natural structures. Surely the higher you go, the less water you will encounter. Also the further you have to swim downstream, the worse your chance of success, as chance of meeting predators or other dangers become. Also the further you have to swim upstream, the less chance you have of having enough energy to mate and spawn. Or is it a case of, the further you have to swim downstream, the more chance you will have of picking up food along the way and thus being better equipped to handle and survive the dangers of the final? destination. Or maybe a female will prefer a mate who is "fitter" than the rest and has proved that by making an more arduous journey? Does anybody out there know – we didn’t quite study salmon & trout ecology down in this part of the world, and I had never known about our own yellowfish habits until now. Ari Ari Bert                                        Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903                             +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230                             Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                       Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za                                Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa

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I expect to take golf up again after a haitius of 25+ years. (The walking did me in:)) The plan is is to start off on weekdays at in the fall, on carts, by myself at a Publinx. I expect to have trouble breaking 200 for starters:) I expect though to get better if I stick with it. However I would not be suprised if I never get the equivilent of a 100 on a real hard championship course. But I am going to do it to enjoy myself and the nice weather when there is nice weather. (Dry, between 60 and 75 degrees, no wind, a little warmer with wind. I wonder if most people have lost the ability to enjoy some of life’s simpler pleasures? I wonder if it would happen to me?:) I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend until YOUR DEATH your right to say it! –Austin 3:17 JOHN A. MONTGOMERY

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I expect to take golf up again after a haitius of 25+ years. (The walking did me in:)) The plan is is to start off on weekdays at in the fall, on carts, by myself at a Publinx. I expect to have trouble breaking 200 for starters:) I expect though to get better if I stick with it. However I would not be suprised if I never get the equivilent of a 100 on a real hard championship course. But I am going to do it to enjoy myself and the nice weather when there is nice weather. (Dry, between 60 and 75 degrees, no wind, a little warmer with wind. I wonder if most people have lost the ability to enjoy some of life’s simpler pleasures? I wonder if it would happen to me?:)

Nah. Just look at the ones going to organized RSG events. ‘Cept for Ken, who loves winning a bet with someone. Get back to playing, and enjoy the ~4 hours of therapy. I’m going for my session tomorrow (Where are you Thor?) -T- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend until YOUR DEATH your right to say it! –Austin 3:17 JOHN A. MONTGOMERY

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Do people take golf too seriously?

Why, I should kill you for even asking such a silly question!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I expect to take golf up again after a haitius of 25+ years. (The walking did me in:)) The plan is is to start off on weekdays at in the fall, on carts, by myself at a Publinx. I expect to have trouble breaking 200 for starters:) I expect though to get better if I stick with it. However I would not be suprised if I never get the equivilent of a 100 on a real hard championship course. But I am going to do it to enjoy myself and the nice weather when there is nice weather. (Dry, between 60 and 75 degrees, no wind, a little warmer with wind. I wonder if most people have lost the ability to enjoy some of life’s simpler pleasures? I wonder if it would happen to me?:)

In fly fishing, there’s a saying that maybe the mark of a fisherman should not be how big of a fish will satisfy him, but how small of a fish he can catch and be satisfied.  I suppose there’s something similar in golf.  Good luck, doesn’t work for me

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In fly fishing, there’s a saying that maybe the mark of a fisherman should not be how big of a fish will satisfy him, but how small of a fish he can catch and be satisfied.  

With me, probably anything with over a pound of filet in it. Last time I ever fished was 40 years from a boat in a like, caufgt zilch. I can’t remember if I ever caught a keeper in my life:) I read somewhere that fish often bite for people who smell good to them:) I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend until YOUR DEATH your right to say it! –Austin 3:17 JOHN A. MONTGOMERY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I expect to take golf up again after a haitius of 25+ years. (The walking did me in:)) The plan is is to start off on weekdays at in the fall, on carts, by myself at a Publinx. I expect to have trouble breaking 200 for starters:) I expect though to get better if I stick with it. However I would not be suprised if I never get the equivilent of a 100 on a real hard championship course. But I am going to do it to enjoy myself and the nice weather when there is nice weather. (Dry, between 60 and 75 degrees, no wind, a little warmer with wind. I wonder if most people have lost the ability to enjoy some of life’s simpler pleasures? I wonder if it would happen to me?:) I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend until YOUR DEATH your right to say it! –Austin 3:17 JOHN A. MONTGOMERY

 hey john what’s your POD, oops this isn’t shwi.  but seriously, do some people take golf too seriously, nah  cursing, throwing clubs is just their way of unwinding  bud

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Someone asked… Do people take golf too seriously? Well… I try… dsc

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Teresa please do yourself a great favor by reading the golfswinger course and practice what it teaches to the letter…exercise is important for your swing to work properly and naturally…get in shape and stay in shape. Tell me in 6 months that you are a low handicapper. Al http://golfswinger.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I expect to take golf up again after a haitius of 25+ years. (The walking did me in:)) The plan is is to start off on weekdays at in the fall, on carts, by myself at a Publinx. I expect to have trouble breaking 200 for starters:) I expect though to get better if I stick with it. However I would not be suprised if I never get the equivilent of a 100 on a real hard championship course. But I am going to do it to enjoy myself and the nice weather when there is nice weather. (Dry, between 60 and 75 degrees, no wind, a little warmer with wind. I wonder if most people have lost the ability to enjoy some of life’s simpler pleasures? I wonder if it would happen to me?:) Nah. Just look at the ones going to organized RSG events. ‘Cept for Ken, who loves winning a bet with someone. Get back to playing, and enjoy the ~4 hours of therapy. I’m going for my session tomorrow (Where are you Thor?) -T- I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend until YOUR DEATH your right to say it! –Austin 3:17 JOHN A. MONTGOMERY

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Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? -T-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Teresa please do yourself a great favor by reading the golfswinger course and practice what it teaches to the letter…exercise is important for your swing to work properly and naturally…get in shape and stay in shape. Tell me in 6 months that you are a low handicapper. Al http://golfswinger.com I expect to take golf up again after a haitius of 25+ years. (The walking did me in:)) The plan is is to start off on weekdays at in the fall, on carts, by myself at a Publinx. I expect to have trouble breaking 200 for starters:) I expect though to get better if I stick with it. However I would not be suprised if I never get the equivilent of a 100 on a real hard championship course. But I am going to do it to enjoy myself and the nice weather when there is nice weather. (Dry, between 60 and 75 degrees, no wind, a little warmer with wind. I wonder if most people have lost the ability to enjoy some of life’s simpler pleasures? I wonder if it would happen to me?:) Nah. Just look at the ones going to organized RSG events. ‘Cept for Ken, who loves winning a bet with someone. Get back to playing, and enjoy the ~4 hours of therapy. I’m going for my session tomorrow (Where are you Thor?) -T- I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend until YOUR DEATH your right to say it! –Austin 3:17 JOHN A. MONTGOMERY

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Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to?

He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. Hey Al, do us a favor…get lost. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/claryd.htm

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Come on, is it possible to take golf too seriously?

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Teresa please do yourself a great favor by reading the golfswinger course and practice what it teaches to the letter…exercise is important for your swing to work properly and naturally…get in shape and stay in shape. Tell me in 6 months that you are a low handicapper. Al

Buzz off with this crap Al!

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Oh I know…. I was trying to be a nice person instead of saying F&*^ off! When in doubt, kill them with kindness. -T-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. Hey Al, do us a favor…get lost. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/claryd.htm

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Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads.

I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer.  Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer.  Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. -T-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer.  Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al "Jeff Connelly" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer. Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al

Is my server screwing up, or is Al losing it?  This seems like "Groundhog Day".

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I’ve tried being nice, and you won’t get the hint. F*** OFF! I am not interested in your S****! Sincerely, -T-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al "Jeff Connelly" Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer. Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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Aw come on, tell him what you really think – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve tried being nice, and you won’t get the hint. F*** OFF! I am not interested in your S****! Sincerely, -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al "Jeff Connelly" in Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer. Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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I’ve tried being nice, and you won’t get the hint. F*** OFF! I am not interested in your S****! Sincerely, -T-

Nicely done!  Now I really hope to meet you at RSG DFW.  You not only look like Bruce Willis, you can cuss like him!

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Teresa……what balls do you play with? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve tried being nice, and you won’t get the hint. F*** OFF! I am not interested in your S****! Sincerely, -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al "Jeff Connelly" Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer. Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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I believe when she wrote "F*** OFF! I am not interested in your S****!" she was attempting to put an end to your unsolicited advice.  Your question as to what balls she plays with seems to me to be a continuation of said adivce.  I get the feeling no matter what balls she uses you will tell her to read the golfswinger course.  Perhaps it would be a good idea for you to follow her suggestion… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Teresa……what balls do you play with? I’ve tried being nice, and you won’t get the hint. F*** OFF! I am not interested in your S****! Sincerely, -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al "Jeff Connelly" Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. -T- You are most likely continuously correcting faults in the basis of your swing instead of learning how to have a great swing forever. Try it, it can’t hurt you. Simple and uncomplicated. It will only improve you. Show it to you "Professional" as I.I’m sure he too will benefit.Al Excuse me, sir, but I have a professional working with me on my game. I am afraid to listen to more than one teacher who might confuse what he is instructing me on. Thank you for your efforts. Secondly, what were you refering to? He’s referring to a website that he has promoted in no less than five different threads. I think she was being funny – referring to the old thread where a woman (different woman?) asked for advice for when somebody on the driving range tries to help with her swing and won’t take no for an answer. Teresa’s post is basically one of the replies that woman got

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Teresa……what balls do you play with? I’ve tried being nice, and you won’t get the hint. F*** OFF! I am not interested in your S****!

Al: You’re jacking with one of the favorite posters on this ng, and a super lady.  I suggest that you stop.   ___,     o        |       /      .   "Someone likes every shot" bk

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Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

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<< Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? I would have to say more time on my home waters in North Central Washington State would be ideal for next year.  (I know its a boring answer but it is where I love to fish and I never get enough time there.) << Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? A little river in British Columbia that I spent hours on as a teenager.  I fish it 2-6 times a year but it is never enough.  Wild rainbows, no other fisherman in sight and incredible scenary. << Where in South America? Don’t know much about South America but I would love to give fishing a try in and around Cozumel or Roatan, Honduras.  I visited both this summer and didn’t get a chance to fish. Mike

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<<Where the ROFFians gather. You politician, you. dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – only if my son was fishing with me. , when my arms didn’t ache, and my legs were wading staffs, I never considered the condition of my heart, and there was always a good fish waiting in the next run. wayno Wayno.I’m know some places in S.A. where the rum is cheap and the beer is definitely  factor in to your heart consideration……the fish bite river…..    Reading your response made think about fishing just a little

        well, hell, john, let’s go find that next pool.  maybe the ladies will welcome our canoe. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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What would be your number one destination?

Ambergris Caye, Belize, CA. — Charlie…

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After Codemarine’s post of his Monster Bluegill and the picture of it I would have to say my number one destination would be Steve’s Pond. Big Dale  

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Or the couch in my office. Steve Zimmerman

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After Codemarine’s post of his Monster Bluegill and the picture of it I would have to say my number one destination would be Steve’s Pond. Big Dale

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If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)?

I don’t know why not, especially given many of the great reports here; but I don’t really long for far-off places.  There’s good fishing right in my backyard (sorry, Dorothy).    Instead, I long for more and better times on the streams I know, from the local Gunpowder Falls to Maine’s great rivers such as the Penobscot, Kennebec, and a few others. There are a few rivers which are but a fable to me, that I’d like to fish sometime.   The rivers of Idaho, Montana, Colorado, and Wyoming have a lure, but I’d also like to fish the Miramichi for salmon and an English chalk stream at least once, just for the history. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

I’d like to visit Newfoundland. Where in South America?

Don’t know enough to pick. What would be your number one destination?

As long as I’m on a good stream with a fly rod in my hand, it’s location on the earth is important only as tourism.   I’d love to visit Australia, though. Joe F.

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If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

 With time travel ;The Upper Dean, 20 years ago. Today, most of Montana Where in South America? no desire What would be your number one destination?

The Sunlite Basin Area,Wyoming Harry E. Mason www.Troutflies.com

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1) The North Umpqua River 2) The Kispiox River 3) Only been to Costa Rica and Panama 4) Pinoi River Good Question!!! Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

Before you buy.

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Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

   If I could I’d go to El Pescador in Belize for tarpon.   –tony

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Cape Lookout, NC from October to Thanksgiving!!!!!!  :-) — Flyfish NC                                                   Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com                                                                  

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2ivf0fk.dialup.mindspring.com, Cape Lookout, NC from October to Thanksgiving!!!!!!  :-)

Gordon: That brings up a question.  Has the hurricane made any difference in your "normal" fishing pattern there?  Water temps, species, timing on migratory fish, anything like that? BTW, what would you be catching from October to Thanksgiving? Bob Before you buy.

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Charlie – you will therefore understand my regret that I have been to Belize twice on business for 2 weeks each time and did not flyfish because I was still a worm drowner.  Now I just think what I missed, not once but twice! I even had a boat of my own whilst there and stayed on St Georges and San Pedro. Dohh!!

I do understand. Great country. I hope you at least fished off the reef and got in a little snorkeling. — Charlie…

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Charlie – you will therefore understand my regret that I have been to Belize twice on business for 2 weeks each time and did not flyfish because I was still a worm drowner.  Now I just think what I missed, not once but twice! I even had a boat of my own whilst there and stayed on St Georges and San Pedro. Dohh!! David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What would be your number one destination? Ambergris Caye, Belize, CA. — Charlie…

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1.  US: Wherever any of you US ROFF chaps really recommended. 2.  N America: Labrador (fuelled by your posts!) (and I can fish the Miramichi anytime without a guide anyway!) 3.  S America:  Belize, partly for opportunities lost (see post elsewhere in thread) 4.  Anywhere:  The Falkland Islands because they are the reason I got into flyfishing in the first place (and then at the last minute before a 4 month trip there I did not go!) and because a good friend of mine has just returned from 6 months there and keeps regaling me with tales of rivers full of sea trout that have never been fished before.  Actually I got engaged to my wife just before the trip that was cancelled so it gave me a wife and fly fishing in one go! David reflecting on what might have been and what may yet be! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

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If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing

The McCloud, the Upper Sac., Hat Creek, about 15-20 years ago. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

Baja California, both the Pacific side and the Sea of Cortez.  Or British Columbia 40 years ago. Where in South America?

Someplace soft and green, where the women perfume their breasts. What would be your number one destination?

Somewhere, anywhere, 15 minutes from home. Anglerboy. — Trout fear me, Women want me.

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Where in South America? Someplace soft and green, where the women perfume their breasts.

        well, ol boy, if you *ever* need a fishin partner, just give ol wayno a call.  3362751231.  thankyaverymuch. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Anglerboy. — Trout fear me, Women want me.

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Bob Peters: <<That brings up a question.  Has the hurricane made any difference in your "normal" fishing pattern there?  Water temps, species, timing on migratory fish, anything like that? According to tonight’s evening news, Floyd’s floods in NC have washed all sorts of bad things into Pamlico Sound.  There is great worry about the entire area becoming a "dead zone". Dave L.

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Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)?

        four mile creek, colorado; but only if my son was fishing with me. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination?

        hazel creek, with the clock turned back to 1980, when my arms didn’t ache, and my legs were wading staffs, i never considered the condition of my heart, and there was always a good fish waiting in the next run.         wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dave L.

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Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)?

Yellowstone, but please excuse me if I don’t name the stream. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

Labrador, if I could paddle my canoe into the backcountry and fish without a guide. Where in South America?

Not a clue. What would be your number one destination?

Where the ROFFians gather. — Ken Fortenberry Illini 3 – Tar Heels 1

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only if my son was fishing with me. , when my arms didn’t ache, and my legs were wading staffs, I never considered the condition of my heart, and there was always a good fish waiting in the next run. wayno

Wayno.I’m know some places in S.A. where the rum is cheap and the beer is definitely  factor in to your heart consideration……the fish bite river…..     Reading your response made think about fishing just a little

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Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

The Stellako River, in BC.  beautiful river, a long F’ing way from anywhere.  Or the Blackwater. Where in South America?

I hope that someday I have the experience to answer this question. What would be your number one destination?

Well, you disqualified Alaska, but that’s my favorite.  Sleep with the bears at night, catch enormous fish during the day.  Live the way folks used to.  See www.aa.net/andrewbr/~alaska99/ to see what I mean. Dave L.

– Andrew Brunette

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Lower 48 Rivers flowing out of the Blue Mountains in SE Washington State, and the rivers flowing out of the Willowas mountains in NE Oregon, plus the Imnaha. North America Kobuk river drainage East of Kotzebue South America Ive heard there are some great streams flowing out of the Andes in Tuccucom Province in Argentina. Number One Kobuk, just because I was offered a guiding slot there once by a friend and have always wondered what I passed up. Too old now. Have no idea if the fishing would be good or bad or whatever. Dave

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I would simply ask for more time to fish.. Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

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I am going to Lake Tahoe for a week in one week. Does anyone know anything about the fishing conditions this time of year? Is there any stream fishing in the vicinity in Late October?

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Depends which end of the lake you are going to.  It’s been in the teen’s at night, so will be cold in the morning.  At North Shore (Tahoe City) there is the Truckee, and out of south Shore there are some streams, and the East Carson over the hill hwy 88.  Contact Trout Creek Fly’s in South Shore for up to date info on stream fishing.  The lake fishing will be good for Mackinaws, there are some charter boats available.  Kokanee will be heading up the streams.  Be sure to go to the stream chamber at Taylor Creek state park (near South Shore) to see the run.  Have an underwater viewing window. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am going to Lake Tahoe for a week in one week. Does anyone know anything about the fishing conditions this time of year? Is there any stream fishing in the vicinity in Late October?

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I didn’t even mention her cloaca.

But you thought about it.  You have a one-track mind. azure

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I don’t think anyone "grilled" Julia for anything – she ASKED for what people here thought. The only vaguely rude post I saw at all was Eric Cordian’s.

What did you find rude about my post?   I didn’t even mention her cloaca. — Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Well I have been drinking more water lately, but even without it I’d still think this situation could have been handled better.  It seems to have calmed down though, despite this attempt of yours to get me going again. Rats.  It didn’t work.

LOLOLOL!  And it’s a good thing too…posting cuts into my bathroom time! You’ve no idea the strain a mere 2 gallons of water puts on my poor abused innards! azure

Ravenna, having a much needed laugh —       Kristen Kohlbecker    And I would choose to be with you                             But you can make decisions too       A Tyger and a Lady    And you can have this heart to break

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x-no-archive: yes Holy Macheral andy, that was easy!  :-)         – Panther (glad to see ole andy back)

Groannnnnnnn Bwahahahahahhaaaaa /tigerbunny rolls on the floor, drowning in tears of laughter I thought I was gonna bust a gut laughing over the image of averti as Foghorn Leghorn in green suede shoes ("That’s a JOKE, son") oh, you people really are too much! tigerbunny

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Yoah heah! yoah heah!  Let the bells ring out and the banners fly! Its too good to be true! but yoah heah!!!! Hey Tigerbunny! great to see your smiling face! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes Holy Macheral andy, that was easy!  :-)         – Panther (glad to see ole andy back) Groannnnnnnn Bwahahahahahhaaaaa /tigerbunny rolls on the floor, drowning in tears of laughter I thought I was gonna bust a gut laughing over the image of averti as Foghorn Leghorn in green suede shoes ("That’s a JOKE, son") oh, you people really are too much! tigerbunny

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Well I have been drinking more water lately, but even without it I’d still think this situation could have been handled better.  It seems to have calmed down though, despite this attempt of yours to get me going again.

Rats.  It didn’t work. azure

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x-no archive: yes Hi Panther; Ok I’m back, with poster’s remorse. Moving on, to stage 3(?) Flame yourself. I feel Averti is giving "andy" far too much credit, 51%? Well perhaps that is true 49% of the time, on a very good day. And just who the hell does this "andy" think he is, anyway? All that fuss’n and a stomp’n. Snagged in the back I lack an attack. Well, that nasty remose, is over now. andy (Trout Mac Finnagan) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes Come back lil Sheba.

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I have sold my tools and materials, now I am offering my books and magazines.  $35.00 + shipping takes all. "Expert Fly-Tying,"  Paul Fling & Donald Puturbaugh, 1986 "Favorite Flies and Their Histories," Mary Orvis Marbury, 1892 (1995 reprint) "Fly-Tyer Pattern Bible," 1985 "Creative Fly-Tying & Fly Fishing," Rex Gerlach, 1974 "Practical Flies & Their Construction," Lacey Gee & Erwin Sias, 1966 My homemade note book with appx. 675 patterns, most with color pictures "Fly Tyer"  Aug ‘84, Nov ‘84, Spring ‘85, Fall ‘85 "American Fly Tyer:"  Spring ‘86-Winter ‘87, most issues "American Angler & Fly Tyer"  Spring ‘88-Fall ‘90, most issues "American Angler"  jan’91-June ‘91 If interested, email Jim at the above email address

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Thanks to all of you who responded.  I sold the books to the first e-mail response I received. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have sold my tools and materials, now I am offering my books and magazines.  $35.00 + shipping takes all.

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        Despite five years of closure in the commercial net fishery in Newfoundland, initial returns to most rivers have been very dissapointing. Fishway counts are running at 33% of last years on average and fishing generally poor on the island.  Water levels are also falling and temperatures rising which does not bode well either.  Explanations abound with candidates ranging from ‘mother nature’ her/himself (cold ocean temperatures, etc.) to more usual ‘whipping creatures’ such as seals, first nation fisheries and/or legitimate commercial fishers pursuing other species.         At the same time, salmon fishing is beginning to become more epxensive.  The Gander River in central Newfoundland has just institute a special $20 fee to fish it alone (with another $20 if you wish to partake of a potential Fall fishery for one month).  Other rivers are rumoured to follow suit.  I might not mind if there were a few fish!!  Recent trip to the Gander River suggested to me that there are fewer fish in the river now than when the commercial fishery were operating.  Any ideas as to what is going on?  ’hostile marine conditions just doesn’t seem to cut it having heard virutally every fishery downturn around here attriubted to it for the last five years.  Larry Felt, St. John’s, Newfoundland

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need some help here.  My 9 yr old son wants to learn to fly fish and<edit go with me when I’m out.  <edit <<<AL BT wrote Take a good look at the rod. Your rod is probably an 8 or 9 foot rod. You might consider a shorter rod for your son like a 7 or 7 1/2 foot. Your local fly shop should be able to help. Go there and try a few rods and get a couple of pointers from a resident expert. It could be time well spent. Good luck & … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

Heed Al’s Advice he always has good insightful obsevations and ideas. I have an 8 year old who also loves to fish. He’s been fishing since he was 3 with spincasting gear. This year I showed him how to roll cast and he did well. He even could false cast about 15 feet.  Start off slow, he will pick it up just like riding a bike, plaing baseball and all the other great things boys do.  Most of us learned by roll casting first so maybe he needs to start there.  Sounds like you have a great kid.  There should be more Dads like us. If Ido say so myself! Tight Lines:

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Take a good look at the rod. Your rod is probably an 8 or 9 foot rod. You might consider a shorter rod for your son like a 7 or 7 1/2 foot.

I disagree…he’ll only have to work harder to get the same distance… The longer rod will give him a lot of advantages in the ‘long’ run and should not be appreciably more heavy or unwieldy. In fact the longer rod might just keeping him from hooking his eyeball… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I need some help here.  My 9 yr old son wants to learn to fly fish and go with me when I’m out.  I myself have just finished a course and am beginning to feel comfortable casting. Not to be unkind but if, as you say, you are only now getting comfortable with casting, perhaps you need to get whoever taught you to work with your son. There is a big difference between doing and teaching, and it is another step yet to be able to diagnose a casting stroke and adjust it to be more effective within the capabilities and limits of any individual.

He’s right, you’ll BOTH learn faster if you go for lessons together.  It really helps a learner to see an instructor working with someone else, and he’ll be able to spot if the error recurs on the water – and bring the lesson back to mind. Next, video each other casting.  It’s amazing how many of your own faults you’ll see and rectify if you watch a video.  You don’t have to let the rest of the family see the result. Then compete with each other – on equal terms (sort of, you put up the prizes, he wins most of ‘em; in family terms this IS equal).  Don’t compete for distance, it wouldn’t be fair and it’s of little use in any case. Compete for accuracy, you are going ‘target casting’  Start with a hula-hoop

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Hey Cliff, make sure you tell him to stop by Chessman on his way to RMNP so he gets a good dose of WD on his waders to take with him. Mike Miller

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I will be in Rocky Mountain National Park the 3rd week of july. Does anybody have any suggestions about what water should be good and which flies usually work best? Thanks, Larry.

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writes: I will be in Rocky Mountain National Park the 3rd week of july. Does anybody have any suggestions about what water should be good and which flies usually work best? Thanks, Larry.

Larry, Estes Park, Colorado is located just outside the Park gates. They also have a flyshop complete with guide services, ect… I’m not sure of the name though, but their the only flyshop in Estes, Co. Needless to say, don’t miss Estes. Nice place to visit.

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writes: I will be in Rocky Mountain National Park the 3rd week of july. Does anybody have any suggestions about what water should be good and which flies usually work best? Thanks, Larry.

Larry, I would try "Anglers All" Flyshop in Littleton, Colorado. The guy that runs it is a friend of "Jack Dennis." His wife is probably the best flyshop assistant available. Anyway, they are a first class flyshop and will have everything you need. Ph: (303) 794-1104.                             Best of luck, Cliff

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Larry, Estes has several excellent fly shops including the estes angler and colo. wilderness shop. The river will be at normal levels and fishing well by that time. The lakes such as sprague and lily will be typical for brookies. That is small flies and brassies will get you a load of 10" to 12" fish in a short time. For larger browns and rainbows try the thompson below the town. Stop by and ask Dave at Colo. wilderness for specifics. good luck B. griggers

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I turned back to the 444SL after I tried othrs. The LASER line is very nice to cast and floats very high (makes line pickup easier), but: all this only for a very short time (I used it for only one season!). The hard coating is worn out very fast and you have to replace the line. The Wulf Triangel taper is very nice to fish, too. I used it in the 3/4 and 5/6 weight. Rollcasting is much fun and, especially with the 3/4, presentation of drys to very shy trout is terrific. The disadvantage, especially for the 3/4, is that it is very hard to transport heavier or more wind resistant flies. I now returned to the 444SL which can do the job much better: Very long casts are much easier with the 444SL, rollcasting nearly as good as with the TT, but if the situation requires it, I can also tie on a heavy stremer or a heavy weigthed nymph with a few split shots with still comfortable casting.                             Thomas

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If anyone needs a Cortland Fly line or has any questions about

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I used a 444SL for many trouble-free years.  In fact, I wore it out — the first line that I ever killed.  I’ve been thinking about giving the Lazer line a try, but have been playing around with Lee Wulf’s Triangle taper, as well as a few others.  Give me your pros and cons on the 444SL and the Lazer Line, with regard to durability, floatability.  Thanks.

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I used a 444SL for many trouble-free years.  In fact, I wore it out — the first line that I ever killed.  I’ve been thinking about giving the Lazer line a try, but have been playing around with Lee Wulf’s Triangle taper, as well as a few others.  Give me your pros and cons on the 444SL and the Lazer Line, with regard to durability, floatability.  Thanks.

According to the folks at FEATHER-CRAFT Fly Fishing in St. Louis, 444SL is designed specifically for fast-action rods, is stiffer than most lines and is considered 1/4 weight higher than it’s rating.  The Lazer line are supposed to be best for light action rods because it loads the rod quickly for short casts.  

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I just wanted to know what the law says about me giving way a few bottles of homebrew to my friends. Thanks, Steve — //         Stephen W. Berrick               Voice: (301) 982-3700            // // Research and Data Systems Corporation           (301) 982-3748            // //     7855 Walker Drive, Suite 460           Fax: (301) 982-3749            //

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: I just wanted to know what the law says about me giving way a few : bottles of homebrew to my friends. Each state is a bit different, but most places, as long as you don’t sell it in any way, giving a few out to friends is perfectly OK.  And going to competitions with your wonderful concotions doesn’t need any license either (as far as I know, anyway). — Bloomington, IN  47406            (812) 855-1415 —- All opinions are my own — you know the drill. —– "I could get much more work done if I had a bigger wastebasket." "Deja brew — we have all been beer before." "Use the Brew, Luke."

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The law says relax…well you know the rest. Please keep in mind that this post is from an outlaw. Matt

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: I just wanted to know what the law says about me giving way a few : bottles of homebrew to my friends. Each state is a bit different, but most places, as long as you don’t sell it in any way, giving a few out to friends is perfectly OK.  And going to competitions with your wonderful concotions doesn’t need any license either (as far as I know, anyway).

Careful here. Steve, you should only trust legal advice from an attorney which you hires, but… I don’t have it in front of me, but my memory of the FEDERAL regulation that permits homebrewing is that the brew may [legally] be consumed in the household in which it is produced. In addition, the brew may be taken to clubs and competitions for sampling. Further, my interpretation is that giving beer to your friends is a "gray area." In other words, the regulation is not expicit and can be interpreted either way. I would like to point out that I believe in some states (notably Alabama) homebrewing is not legal at all. Does that mean if you give your friends some brews that the ATF or the state police will be breaking down your door. I doubt it. I give away brews or take them to party’s all the time. But if you give it away for some service that you would normally pay money for , or are intending to run for political office, or be a presidential appointee, then I would recommend caution. The bottom line is the only way to find out the answer to Steve’s question for sure is to hire an attorney to find out. –Russ

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ltpsun2.gsfc.nasa.gov): Each state is a bit different, but most places, as long as you don’t sell it in any way, giving a few out to friends is perfectly OK.  And going to competitions with your wonderful concotions doesn’t need any license either (as far as I know, anyway).

Here’s another for all the jailhouse lawyers out there: Can I *donate* homebrew to my favorite non-profit groups?  I’m a member of a group that seems to do much of its fundraising at the chapter level through raffles and auctions of donated merchandise (hint: when I’m done here, I’m headed over to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly).  In other chapters, members have donated homebrew, cleverly named, which the chapter then auctions or raffles off and keeps the proceedes.  I see at least three knotty issues:    o   Can I donate my beer?    o   Can my chapter make money by raffling or auctioning it?    o   Can I (and this is r-e-a-l-l-y a stretch) take any tax deduction,        even if just for the raw materials? Has anyone looked into this, or are you willing to take a wild guess and get me into real trouble with the IRS, BATF, and other assorted authority figures?

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OK, how about this one then: Is it legal to serve homebrew to someone in your home if they are under 21 but over legal drinking age for the country they are visiting from… Yep, this came up as a real issue. –arne

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AT ATOK, how about this one then: AT ATIs it legal to serve homebrew to someone in your home if they are under AT21 but over legal drinking age for the country they are visiting from… AT ATYep, this came up as a real issue. AT AT–arne Easy Arne, The issue here is not homebrew but rather serving alcohol to an underaged person.  Each state is going to be different, but the home country of the underaged person will (without exception I’d be willing to bet) be irrelevant.  A person "lives and dies" according to the local law. Here in Ohio, the only circumstances under which an underaged person may drink alcoholic beverages is when he/she is "accompanied by a parent, spouse who is not an underaged person, or legal guardian, or [when] the beer or intoxicating liquor is given by a physician in the regular line of his practice or given for established religious purposes." Ohio Rev. Code Sec. 4301.69(E). I hope this clears it up for you. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: : Jeff Pyatt                     Cincinnati, OH   : :                                                 : :   "Times like this make me wish I could fly!"   : ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: … Reality is an illusion caused by lack of alcohol. — . TLX v3.30 . — . SLMR 2.1 .

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The bottom line is the only way to find out the answer to Steve’s question for sure is to hire an attorney to find out.

And then only trust his/her advice as far as you can throw him/her! Matt

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Here’s another for all the jailhouse lawyers out there: Can I *donate* homebrew to my favorite non-profit groups?  I’m a member of a group that seems to do much of its fundraising at the chapter level through raffles and auctions of donated merchandise (hint: when I’m done here, I’m headed over to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly).  In other chapters, members have donated homebrew, cleverly named, which the chapter then auctions or raffles off and keeps the proceedes.  I see at least three knotty issues:    o   Can I donate my beer?    o   Can my chapter make money by raffling or auctioning it?    o   Can I (and this is r-e-a-l-l-y a stretch) take any tax deduction,        even if just for the raw materials? Has anyone looked into this, or are you willing to take a wild guess and get me into real trouble with the IRS, BATF, and other assorted authority figures?

I imagine that this would vary by state.  In MA, as of 1992, I found mention of donating wine to auctions, yet not beer (homebrewed or otherwise). This may not sound like the best idea, but I would feign ignorance and raffle/auction the beer as a vitamin supplement. .marc — Human temporal perceptions are completely inadequate, all the really cool beings hang out in fast forward.

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OK, how about this one then: Is it legal to serve homebrew to someone in your home if they are under 21 but over legal drinking age for the country they are visiting from…

I think this depends on the locality and the fact that the alcoholic beverage is homebrew, and the underage person foreign are irrelevent. While most Europenas consider this American law to be utterly ridiculous, it is worth remembering that the USA also had prohibition, and possession of small amount of certain chemicals is a more serious crime in many states that assault and rape and stuff.  I think it may stem from too much democracy, with democracy meaning the right of people who are intereseted and give a shit to run for government office, and in general these hitlerwannabees get their rocks off by restricting freedom.  A friend who lives in Palatine, IL informed me that the city of Arlington Heights recently passed a law making it illegal to give any alcoholic beverages to anybody under 21. I guess they’ll back this up with East German type quizzing of kids in school. Don’t wrroy about legality.  Worry about what you think is right and wrong and if these don’t quite gel, worry about whether you can get caught.  My impression here is that Americans seem to be way too concerned about legalily rather than morality.  How often do you hear a politician defending his corrupt behaviour by saying he did nothing illegal?   ‘There was a  master come unto the earth, | Ulick Stafford,                    born in the holy land of Indiana,      | Dept of Chemical Engineering,   in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne’.| Notre Dame, IN 46556          

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: OK, how about this one then: : Is it legal to serve homebrew to someone in your home if they are under : 21 but over legal drinking age for the country they are visiting from… Would it be legal for you to supply him with drugs if he was Dutch?    N’Yawk, N’Yawk                                           =o&o

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OK, how about this one then: Is it legal to serve homebrew to someone in your home if they are under 21 but over legal drinking age for the country they are visiting from…

Probably not, but then how would anyone know? In general everyone must obey the laws of the country they are in. If I go to Sinapore and vandlize some cars, can I avoid caning if I’m from the US? –Russ

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OK, how about this one then: Is it legal to serve homebrew to someone in your home if they are under 21 but over legal drinking age for the country they are visiting from… Yep, this came up as a real issue.

only if you are in the country they are visiting from… —       WA9BVE            | No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms.  The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government.                                         – Thomas Jefferson

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OK, how about this one then: Is it legal to serve homebrew to someone in your home if they are under 21 but over legal drinking age for the country they are visiting from… Yep, this came up as a real issue. –arne

In Australia it is legal to serve alcohol to anyone in your own home as long as you have the permision of whoever is responsible for them.  Although I am sure there are limits to this …I really don’t know….

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Don’t wrroy about legality.  Worry about what you think is right and wrong and if these don’t quite gel, worry about whether you can get caught.  My impression here is that Americans seem to be way too concerned about legalily rather than morality.  How often do you hear a politician defending his corrupt behaviour by saying he did nothing illegal?

Sorry to waste bandwidth on a not strictly related to brewing thread, but I must say a hearty "Well said" to Ulick.  I am not sure I’ve ever heard my own feelings put so succinctly (certainly, I have never done so well). Of course, one must always keep in mind what to do if one does get caught doing what the law considers inappopriate . . . (no officer, those are shitake mushrooms – oh, yes, they are quite a gourmet delicacy – here, have a few – don’t worry about that strange dizzy sensation . . . Seriously, a person is not likely to get hassled for giving alcohol to children or under-aged guests in the privacy of their own home, unless they are actually throwing an underage drinking party.  My parents always permitted me to drink wine with them since I was 9 or so (probably would have let me try it earlier if I had asked) and I expect to do the same with my kids, whenever I have them. Space Processor Software Engineering  |   Loral Federal Systems, Manassas, VA   |  (703) 367-6171

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I am not a tax lawyer, so can only offer my own opinion. I work for a well known agency of the Treasury, and my interpretation is that any acceptance of remuneration in exchange for untaxed alcoholic beverage is illegal. No matter how you disguise the transfer, even involving a third party who may be tax exempt, you have exchanged homebrew for economic gain. That is a NO NO! For a legal opinion that might count, consult a tax attorney or contact the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms through the Treasury Dept. Your own state’s Alcoholic Beverage Control Board (or whatever they call themselves) will also give you an opinion. Remember, opinions, no matter how impressive the credentials of the giver, are only opinions. The real test comes when you actually go to court.

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Here’s another for all the jailhouse lawyers out there: Can I *donate* homebrew to my favorite non-profit groups?  I’m a member of a group that seems to do much of its fundraising at the chapter level through raffles and auctions of donated merchandise (hint: when I’m done here, I’m headed over to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly).  In other chapters, members have donated homebrew, cleverly named, which the chapter then auctions or raffles off and keeps the proceedes.  I see at least three knotty issues:

If anyone is familiar with the Society for Creative Anacronism at an event in the Boston Area we had an auction a while ago to raise money for our group. The action was conducted by two master brewers. And the "Box" that the brewers donated went for quite a bit. Zach (for more info on the SCA e-mail me)

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