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well said I think. put another way: A $10000 body will produce the same results as a $100 one if you shoot the basics. Sunil www.lockon.f2s.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will probably be slammed by people thinking my reply is rude but here goes: If you have to ask this question you do not need an F5. An F5 is a professional camera. It is designed to withstand the rigors of pro use, and have the features we need when on location, regardless of the situation that comes up. Buy the F100 or possibly the 90s. Either of these cameras will save you close to $1000, and you can then buy better lenses. One of the funniest things I see when working is I will be standing there with my F5 and my 80-200 AF-S, and someone will come up to me with an F5 and a tamron 28-200 lens on it and want to talk shop, and he has no clue what an f-stop is. Seriously, save your money, don’t spend it just because you have it. You will be buying features you will NEVER use! Mike

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Your right.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am not upset. I just wanted to point out some thing you didn’t mention. No offense intended. Relax, he didn’t say what he needed the camera to do. He just asked if the F5 was worth the money. You act like I insulted your mother — not your camera. Jeez. The F5 has every feature available to a 35mm camera (as far as I know). You can do everything photographic with it. The F100 has limitations. To me the F5 is cheaper than the F100 because of a few features it has over the F100. The easily swappable focusing screens, mirror lock-up, interchangeable viewfinders, and 100% viewfinder are all virtually priceless features. I believe the F100 lacks DOF preview though I cannot be sure at the moment. Personally I would think Nikon could include at least a few of these features considering how expensive the F100 is. If you can cough up enough for the F100 then keep coughing until you get the F5 in your hands. There are two advantages to the F100, weight and price. If you need MLU, 100% viewfinder, etc go for the F5. If weight is an issue, the F100 is a great camera body. BTW the F100 has DOF preview. — Tom Thackrey tom at creative-light.com www.creative-light.com —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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What do you mean by "can’t use"?, is it not possible to mount an AI or AIS lens to the camera?, or does the matrix metering not function with MF lenses? If you are referring to Pre-AI lenses then I could see that they couldn’t be mounted to the camera (due to the AI tooth).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey greg, If you are going to recommend the N90s then why not the N80? I thought I read somewhere that the N80 is the only Nikon that can’t use the older lenses. If this is true IMO then that’s reason enough not to bother with one.

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Hey greg, If you are going to recommend the N90s then why not the N80? I thought I read somewhere that the N80 is the only Nikon that can’t use the older lenses. If this is true IMO then that’s reason enough not to bother with one.

The AI and AIS Nikkors will mount to the N80, but the meter is inoperative. — Tony Polson

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Not even the spot-meter!?!?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey greg, If you are going to recommend the N90s then why not the N80? I thought I read somewhere that the N80 is the only Nikon that can’t use the older lenses. If this is true IMO then that’s reason enough not to bother with one. The AI and AIS Nikkors will mount to the N80, but the meter is inoperative. — Tony Polson

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Not even the spot-meter!?!?

Not even the spot meter. The N80/F80 will meter only with lenses that have a built-in CPU. All AF lenses will meter, plus all AI-P lenses. Nothing else will meter. I found this very disappointing, as I think the N80/F80 is otherwise an excellent camera. Had it metered with AI/AIS lenses, I would have bought one as a second body to go with my F3. As it is, I bought an F4, sold the F3 and then bought an F4 as a second body to go with the first F4. And I’ve steadily replaced my lenses over the last 5 months to the point where all but two are AF Nikkors. So I’m now considering selling one F4 and replacing it with a smaller, lighter body, which includes just about every 35mm SLR camera ever made. <g It will be either a used F100 or a new F80. — Tony Polson

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The N80 is for the "new generation" of camera users. Those who start new in the AF line. It is not marketed as a retro camera. The camera’s metering system only works with AF lenses. Regards, Roger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you mean by "can’t use"?, is it not possible to mount an AI or AIS lens to the camera?, or does the matrix metering not function with MF lenses? If you are referring to Pre-AI lenses then I could see that they couldn’t be mounted to the camera (due to the AI tooth). Hey greg, If you are going to recommend the N90s then why not the N80? I thought I read somewhere that the N80 is the only Nikon that can’t use the older lenses. If this is true IMO then that’s reason enough not to bother with one.

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It will be either a used F100 or a new F80.

Why an F80 over an F90x?

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I guess he wants the more advanced AF. That’s the only thing these two camera have in common that the F90x lacks.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It will be either a used F100 or a new F80. Why an F80 over an F90x?

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The F5 will probably make a much better door stop …. then again, you might be able to throw the F100 farther ….. just depends upon your priorities – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will probably be slammed by people thinking my reply is rude but here goes: If you have to ask this question you do not need an F5. An F5 is a professional camera. It is designed to withstand the rigors of pro use, and have the features we need when on location, regardless of the situation that comes up. Buy the F100 or possibly the 90s. Either of these cameras will save you close to $1000, and you can then buy better lenses. One of the funniest things I see when working is I will be standing there with my F5 and my 80-200 AF-S, and someone will come up to me with an F5 and a tamron 28-200 lens on it and want to talk shop, and he has no clue what an f-stop is. Seriously, save your money, don’t spend it just because you have it. You will be buying features you will NEVER use! Mike

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Hey greg, If you are going to recommend the N90s then why not the N80? Wouldn’t it be more for the money for someone shopping around for the N90s?

Following this line of logic, I suggest an N65 or a used EM. — Tony Polson

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…or a $15 used Nikon L35AF. The AF is certainly fast enough. ;^)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey greg, If you are going to recommend the N90s then why not the N80? Wouldn’t it be more for the money for someone shopping around for the N90s? Following this line of logic, I suggest an N65 or a used EM. — Tony Polson

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Hey greg, If you are going to recommend the N90s then why not the N80?

I thought I read somewhere that the N80 is the only Nikon that can’t use the older lenses. If this is true IMO then that’s reason enough not to bother with one.

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I am not upset. I just wanted to point out some thing you didn’t mention. No offense intended. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Relax, he didn’t say what he needed the camera to do. He just asked if the F5 was worth the money. You act like I insulted your mother — not your camera. Jeez. The F5 has every feature available to a 35mm camera (as far as I know). You can do everything photographic with it. The F100 has limitations. To me the F5 is cheaper than the F100 because of a few features it has over the F100. The easily swappable focusing screens, mirror lock-up, interchangeable viewfinders, and 100% viewfinder are all virtually priceless features. I believe the F100 lacks DOF preview though I cannot be sure at the moment. Personally I would think Nikon could include at least a few of these features considering how expensive the F100 is. If you can cough up enough for the F100 then keep coughing until you get the F5 in your hands. There are two advantages to the F100, weight and price. If you need MLU, 100% viewfinder, etc go for the F5. If weight is an issue, the F100 is a great camera body. BTW the F100 has DOF preview.

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I will probably be slammed by people thinking my reply is rude but here goes: If you have to ask this question you do not need an F5. An F5 is a professional camera. It is designed to withstand the rigors of pro use, and have the features we need when on location, regardless of the situation that comes up. Buy the F100 or possibly the 90s. Either of these cameras will save you close to $1000, and you can then buy better lenses. One of the funniest things I see when working is I will be standing there with my F5 and my 80-200 AF-S, and someone will come up to me with an F5 and a tamron 28-200 lens on it and want to talk shop, and he has no clue what an f-stop is. Seriously, save your money, don’t spend it just because you have it. You will be buying features you will NEVER use! Mike

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I am planning to buy a new Nikon camra, question is if the F5 ist worth its money? The F100 is a cheaper and is it not as goog as the F5?

In some ways the F100 is better than the F5. They are slightly different cameras, aimed at a slightly different market. The F5 is the latest development of the professional F range, starting with the 1959 Nikon F. Like all its predecessors it has a 100% viewfinder, mirror lock up and easily interchangeable finders and focusing screens. The F100 is the latest development of the line that began with the F801 (N8008 in USA) and advanced through the F801s (N8008s), F90 (N90) and F90X (N90s) to the F100. Whilst the F801 was aimed at amateurs, it was attractive to pros as a more compact body than its contemporary in the F range, the bulky and heavy F4, so it was perfectly logical to develop the camera into the pro tool the F100 is. The F100 has a 96% viewfinder, no mirror lock up and a limited range of focusing screens which are not very easy to change. The other differences are mainly in the metering; the F5 has RGB Matrix metering whereas the F100 has the most advanced version of Nikon’s 3D Matrix metering. Both are state of the art metering systems, they are just different. The F5 has the reputation of getting the exposure right all the time, and the F100 nearly all of the time, but I would hesitate to conclude that one is significantly better than the other. If you want a pro system SLR with easily interchangeable viewfinders and screens, or mirror lock up is essential to you, or RGB matrix metering attracts you, go for the F5. If a lighter, more compact body (even with the MB-15 battery pack attached) attracts you, and mirror lock up is not absolutely vital, go for the F100. There is no wrong choice here; neither is "better". Both are amongst the finest 35mm SLR cameras made; both are high quality rugged pro tools; both can help a good photographer produce outstanding results. It’s a choice that many of us would like to have. Good luck! — Tony Polson

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Let’s take an F5 and make it run at 4.5 fps instead of 8. Then let’s get rid of the interchangeable prism and make it a fixed prism. Take away MLU and the color matrix meter, and you should be left with a camera that’s about $700+ cheaper. Sounds like an F100? Keep DOF in all modes however and add red color to hilite the area being focused on and the F100 seems quite reasonable. — Wes Jansen Feather Foto LaConner, WA

Personally I would think Nikon could – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – include at least a few of these features considering how expensive the F100 is.

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Relax, he didn’t say what he needed the camera to do. He just asked if the F5 was worth the money. You act like I insulted your mother — not your camera. Jeez.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The F5 has every feature available to a 35mm camera (as far as I know). You can do everything photographic with it. The F100 has limitations. To me the F5 is cheaper than the F100 because of a few features it has over the F100. The easily swappable focusing screens, mirror lock-up, interchangeable viewfinders, and 100% viewfinder are all virtually priceless features. I believe the F100 lacks DOF preview though I cannot be sure at the moment. Personally I would think Nikon could include at least a few of these features considering how expensive the F100 is. If you can cough up enough for the F100 then keep coughing until you get the F5 in your hands. There are two advantages to the F100, weight and price. If you need MLU, 100% viewfinder, etc go for the F5. If weight is an issue, the F100 is a great camera body. BTW the F100 has DOF preview. — Tom Thackrey tom at creative-light.com www.creative-light.com —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Tom There are two advantages to the F100, weight and price. Three, actually: The F100 can be set to focus on the closest of the five autofocus sensors, and the F5 cannot — you have to select a sensor by hand. —

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If you don’t need the AF speed then the Nikon F4 is a really great buy. The Nikon F3 or F2 with a handheld spot-meter would be a good buy too.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The F5 has every feature available to a 35mm camera (as far as I know). You can do everything photographic with it. The F100 has limitations. To me the F5 is cheaper than the F100 because of a few features it has over the F100. The easily swappable focusing screens, mirror lock-up, interchangeable viewfinders, and 100% viewfinder are all virtually priceless features. I believe the F100 lacks DOF preview though I cannot be sure at the moment. Personally I would think Nikon could include at least a few of these features considering how expensive the F100 is. If you can cough up enough for the F100 then keep coughing until you get the F5 in your hands. Regards, dat I am planning to buy a new Nikon camra, question is if the F5 ist worth its money? The F100 is a cheaper and is it not as goog as the F5? Ren

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I know exactly how you feel, I do this to my husband, and then I feel awful. We will go out and have a nice evening, and if I eat too much, I get angry and take it out on him. (Although he is usually the one who orders the extra food, and when it’s in front of me, I don’t have that much willpower.) But he realizes that I do not mean what I say, and that I love him. I think that because we are so close and comfortable with our SO we tend to go off on them more easily than we would someone else, or even ourselves, when it is really ourselves we are angry with. I’m sure he loves you and will forgive you. I try to not react so strongly and to hold back a little more now. It doesn’t always work, but most times it does. I take a second and think to myself, it’s really me I’m angry with, why should he pay. I know you can’t see him soon, but maybe you could send him a nice card, and write your feelings in that. Good luck. — -Ren

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Ted I found waders at a good price at Sports Authority on Manchester Road east of Weidman. they have both the sock foot model/neoprene and the rubber type with boots. No I don’t work fo SA I just shop around. Also live in St. Louis.

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I need a new reel and waders. Any suggestions on a reliable mail order house with competitive prices will be helpful. By the way, I found a good source for flies http://www.flymail.com/, located in the UK I received my order in about a week. Last year they were selling dry flies for about 0.33 USD Thanks, Ted Schepp St. Louis

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John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh

Sorry, but it does work. Smoking does also. Mosquettos like all other blood sucking insects home in on the carbon dioxide animals exhale, humans included. This is a known fact. It is also known that some perfumes including aftershave cause reactions among stinging insects. I suggest you research the subject a bit more. If you buy honey from a bee keeper ask what after shave he uses before working the hives. I’ve had, on occasion to work hives at night, moving them. Besides the usual precautions such as proper smoking of the hive and easy sure movements: tail lights are used for elumination and a weight on the brake pedal is best. Reason-bees cannot see red light. By the way Before I developed an allergy to bee stings I kept bees and would innoculate myself each spring with 3 or 4 stings. Even after the hives were calmed with smoke I never breathed directly on the frames of bees it would agitate them. I never used perfumed soaps or deoderant or aftershave for the same reason. John Popp in Sanford Fl.

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My experience with this goes back about 15 years ago, BC (before children). My best buddy and I were AVID backpackers, taking two one week trips and at least 4 long weekenders a year in the Sierras, mostly between 8,000 and 10,500 elevations. These were all summer and fall trips, and the mosquitos were brutal- the only saving grace was they were so big, you’d either see their lights or hear the landing gear dropping as they came in on you! =8^) But seriously folks…..when we went out for a week at a time, and KNEW we’d never see anyone else that we cared if we offended or not, we would start taking garlic OIL capsules two days before our trip and take them daily with every meal until two days before we came back out into the real world again. We had little if any problem with mosquitos on these trips, but did carry Cutter’s or OFF with us in the event of an unusually persistent swarm. Believe you me though, YOU WILL REEK all the while it’s in your system…you sweat it out bigtime and that’s why it keeps them off of you. When we returned and it was washtime for the trail clothes and sleeping bag…they STUNK of garlic something fierce. I think you may need to experiment with how much to use, everybody’s different, but make sure it’s the kind of garlic oil capsules that have the odor..some of them don’t. Larry #:)#

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[snip] Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking.

CO2 has no odor, but if you eat enough garlic you can smell it on your skin. As for smoking, I expect it’s the odor on your clothes that does it, not your breath. — Charlie…

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An interesting argument John, you state the fact that mosquitoes are attracted by carbon dioxide as if that proved garlic worked and wind up discussing bees. I think I will just stick to my Cutter’s mosquito repellent.:-) — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh Sorry, but it does work. Smoking does also. Mosquettos like all other blood sucking insects home in on the carbon dioxide animals exhale, humans included. This is a known fact. It is also known that some perfumes including aftershave cause reactions among stinging insects. I suggest you research the subject a bit more. If you buy honey from a bee keeper ask what after shave he uses before working the hives. I’ve had, on occasion to work hives at night, moving them. Besides the usual precautions such as proper smoking of the hive and easy sure movements: tail lights are used for elumination and a weight on the brake pedal is best. Reason-bees cannot see red light. By the way Before I developed an allergy to bee stings I kept bees and would innoculate myself each spring with 3 or 4 stings. Even after the hives were calmed with smoke I never breathed directly on the frames of bees it would agitate them. I never used perfumed soaps or deoderant or aftershave for the same reason. John Popp in Sanford Fl.

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writes It is recomended to crunch whole garlic cloves however it must be done at the beginning of a long weekend when your wife or girlfriend or both are out of town.

Hi John, why not start chewing on Thursday, that will guarantee the ladies will be out of town at the weekend. No more snakes I hope? Regards, — Bill

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An interesting argument John, you state the fact that mosquitoes are attracted by carbon dioxide as if that proved garlic worked and wind up discussing bees. I think I will just stick to my Cutter’s mosquito repellent.:-) — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh

Sorry about the digression, it was offered as other little known facts of insect behavior from personal experience. If cutters works for you that is fine. The question was "does garlic work and why". The answers were "yes" and "through masking of cabon dioxide in the breath." . This is also true of noseeums (sand gnats). John Popp in Sanford Fl.

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[snip] Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking. CO2 has no odor, but if you eat enough garlic you can smell it on your skin. As for smoking, I expect it’s the odor on your clothes that does it, not your breath. — Charlie…

There is no DETECTED odor (by humans). However the noseeum plague that has recently affected Fl. school yards has prompted studies that concluded "sand ghnates are attracted by carbon dioxide exhalations" a means has been developed whereby a microb emitting carbondioxide is used in traps around school yards to attract and trap the insects. It worked, it was also found that the traps contained mesquitos also, due to the same olfactory stimuli. It is an asumption on my part that the masking of the breath is the reason garlic or smoking work. It is however a plausable conclusion when if biting insects are bothering me, I light up and they go away as has happened many times as has chewing a few sections of garlic cloves before beginning mowing where I know there are gnats or mesquitos. I’m never bothered and don’t feel like a greased pig. John Popp in Sanford Fl.

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John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh Sorry, but it does work. Smoking does also. Mosquettos like all other blood sucking insects home in on the carbon dioxide animals exhale, humans included.

I am sorry, but I disagree. If this is the case, Koreans, Greek, and Italians who love garlic will never get bitten by mosquitos or will never get married. Garlic is not a good repelent. Smoking, on the other hand is a fairly good method of keeping people and mosquitos away. If you are not a smoker, however, you should stick to good old chemical repelent. Kanghoon Lee

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[deleted] I am sorry, but I disagree. If this is the case, Koreans, Greek, and Italians who love garlic will never get bitten by mosquitos or will never get married. Garlic is not a good repelent.

[deleted] Ya don’t eat it Kanghoon…you light it on fire and throw it at the little bastards… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] I am sorry, but I disagree. If this is the case, Koreans, Greek, and Italians who love garlic will never get bitten by mosquitos or will never get married. Garlic is not a good repelent. [deleted] Ya don’t eat it Kanghoon…you light it on fire and throw it at the little bastards… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

You mean, use it just like a stink bomb? I never thought of that Thanks. Kanghoon

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Anything that deters the moeskeeters must be worth a try — Regards Peter

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -While garlic may well work, anything with deet works better than any natural repellent etc. deet interfere with the CO2 receptors of the moskeeter’s.

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Do you want Garlic or do you want the best ? While garlic may well work, anything with deet works better than any natural repellent etc. deet interfere with the CO2 receptors of the moskeeter’s.

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Do you want Garlic or do you want the best ? While garlic may well work, anything with deet works better than any natural repellent etc. deet interfere with the CO2 receptors of the moskeeter’s.

Its also a known carcinogen. I love the stuff, but if garlic works (and its good for your heart)…. I’ll bite (bad pun)

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It works great for vampires, too. I’ve been using it for two years now and still haven’t been bitten!! Ed

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It works great for vampires, too. I’ve been using it for two years now and still haven’t been bitten!!

Ah! but have you been out at night, fishing for sea trout? Bewaaaare! The Vampire Coachman will get you. — Bill

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[snip] Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking.

Hi All, A friend of mine that lives in BC doesn’t have a problem with mosquitos himself. They bite him and nothing happens? I guess he is not effected by the anti- coagulants that they inject into you so they can keep the blood flowing. I guess the itchy bumps that we get are a reaction to the anti-coagulants? I like to stop in Williams, CA, just off Hwy I5, about an hour north of Sacramento for a garlic fix! We stop at Luie Ciro’s(sp) in the town of Williams for some of the best Italian food in the area. They have what they call ‘Luie Bread’. It is baked French bread with about a 1/2" of chopped fresh garlic on top. Wow, what a smell! Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I would welcome information from anyone with views on whether garlic keeps away mosquitoes. I have heard from several sources that it works, and have read that the British Army give garlic capsules to their troops in Belize. However, I am always sceptical about these remedies until enough people provide some type of proof. For a while people said that Vitamin B 12 was effective; but I feel that if it truly was, then we would all know by now. If someone has had experience of the effectiveness of garlic, then I would be keen to know if they think that the capsules are as effective as the real thing. John www.travelbooks.co.uk www.cheapflights.co.uk —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would welcome information from anyone with views on whether garlic keeps away mosquitoes. I have heard from several sources that it works, and have read that the British Army give garlic capsules to their troops in Belize. However, I am always sceptical about these remedies until enough people provide some type of proof. For a while people said that Vitamin B 12 was effective; but I feel that if it truly was, then we would all know by now. If someone has had experience of the effectiveness of garlic, then I would be keen to know if they think that the capsules are as effective as the real thing. John www.travelbooks.co.uk www.cheapflights.co.uk —

It is also said to keep away vampires and definatly keeps people out of your private space. Blood sucking varmits are attracted by carbon dioxide, masking your exhalation with garlic does work as does smoking. Here in florida "no seeums" are really bad during dry seasons but I am not bothered by them due to my smoking. Garlic will do wonders for your colesteral count and inhibit the pesky little critters. It is recomended to crunch whole garlic cloves however it must be done at the beginning of a long weekend when your wife or girlfriend or both are out of town. John Popp in Sanford Fl.

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John, garlic is good for keeping people away, but doesn’t work on mosquitoes. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would welcome information from anyone with views on whether garlic keeps away mosquitoes. I have heard from several sources that it works, and have read that the British Army give garlic capsules to their troops in Belize. However, I am always sceptical about these remedies until enough people provide some type of proof. For a while people said that Vitamin B 12 was effective; but I feel that if it truly was, then we would all know by now. If someone has had experience of the effectiveness of garlic, then I would be keen to know if they think that the capsules are as effective as the real thing. John www.travelbooks.co.uk www.cheapflights.co.uk —

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Your drift boat awaits you!

It is images of that which help me to ecsape these walls every day George…I thank you. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Groups …snip — Tim Walker, if I get close to your home (my travel plans are real loose and unscheduled) I’ll call a couple of days in advance — would love to meet you, maybe even fish. You all take care & … — snip — Damned right you look me up Al. Maybe some of it will rub off on me… — TimW Halfordian Golfer Your drift boat awaits you! GeorgeG Halfordian Caster

Ha! and *now* we know that George G. is actually Tim Walker! (or else it’s the other way around…) Tim

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Hi Groups I’ll be off line for the next week or ten days field testing products and researching articles in MT, ID, NV, UT, CO, WY, NM, & AZ. Tim Walker if I get close to your home (my travel plans are real loose and unscheduled) I’ll call a couple of days in advance — would love to meet you, maybe even fish. You all take care & … Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

just testing, sorry

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Tim Walker if I get close to your home (my travel plans are real loose and unscheduled) I’ll call a couple of days in advance — would love to meet you, maybe even fish. Damned right you look me up Al.

Al, When you get back, tell us what he’s like, what he’s really, really like! — Phil Jones

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Groups I’ll be off line for the next week or ten days field testing products and researching articles in MT, ID, NV, UT, CO, WY, NM, & AZ. Tim Walker if I get close to your home (my travel plans are real loose and unscheduled) I’ll call a couple of days in advance — would love to meet you, maybe even fish. You all take care & … Is this guy the ORIGINAL or what ? I’ve been developing mission critical software in a goddamned 6 x 6 windowless cubicle all spring and Al’s out field testing products and researching flyfishing articles… What a guy !!! Damned right you look me up Al. Maybe some of it will rub off on me… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

Your drift boat awaits you! GeorgeG Halfordian Caster

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Hi Groups I’ll be off line for the next week or ten days field testing products and researching articles in MT, ID, NV, UT, CO, WY, NM, & AZ. Tim Walker if I get close to your home (my travel plans are real loose and unscheduled) I’ll call a couple of days in advance — would love to meet you, maybe even fish. You all take care & …

Is this guy the ORIGINAL or what ? I’ve been developing mission critical software in a goddamned 6 x 6 windowless cubicle all spring and Al’s out field testing products and researching flyfishing articles… What a guy !!! Damned right you look me up Al. Maybe some of it will rub off on me… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Hi Groups I’ll be off line for the next week or ten days field testing products and researching articles in MT, ID, NV, UT, CO, WY, NM, & AZ. Tim Walker if I get close to your home (my travel plans are real loose and unscheduled) I’ll call a couple of days in advance — would love to meet you, maybe even fish. You all take care & … Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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…my leader had such a bad coil memory that if I had gotten a strike I wouldn’t have known it. How do you take the memory out of a leader?

Kevin — Run the leader quickly between your thumb and the index finger several times, each time increasing pressure. At some point the line will start burning your fingers. Back off on the pressure (or speeed) and repeat the exercise a couple more times. Keeping the temperature below the burning point will prevent you from ever overheating the leader. -AR

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Thanks for the comments here and in my email. …Now I have to figure out how to tye that little tiny black gnat/mesquito looking bug that they were hitting all around my fly. But alas that is another thread.

I’ll bet those tiny little bugs are midges, a great pattern to use for these is the Griffith’s Gnat which supposedly imitates a bunch of midges all stuck together, and takes about 2 minutes to tie: Hook: Dry fly, size 16-24 (I usually tie mine in size 18) Thread: Black Body: Peacock herl, a few strands wound into a rope then wrapped onto the hook Hackle: Grizzly, palmered the length of the body Have fun… — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

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I am new to flyfishing and need help. Yesterday I went out and practiced on a farm pond that was frozen over just a few days ago.

One thing I’d add to the sage advise of Dan and Bill: In my experience, cold weather/water just makes it that much harder to straighten leader butts, so I like to straighten it the moment I get where I’m going, and sometimes while I’m still in the nice, warm car. If you do it while the leader butt still has some of that road heat in it the job will be much easier. Sometimes I’ll do it once at home and then again when I get to point B, if it’s really cold and I don’t have far to drive. Dave DeLacey Corvallis, Or.

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and practiced on a farm pond that was frozen over just a few days ago. I was really just there for the casting practice, but my leader had such a bad coil memory that if I had gotten a strike I wouldn’t have known it. How do you take the memory out of a leader? Thanks in Advance Kevin W. Tharp Addicted angler and newbie fly fisher. Kevin, Most all leaders are made of nylon and this works for nylon. The easiest way is to take the leader in sections in your two hands and stretch it until you feel a slight give and hold that for a fixed number of seconds depending on temperature….. see table below…. what is happening is you are realigning the crystal structure of the nylon. nylon responds to this kind of tensile realignment…. other fibers may not… at 70 degrees F hold for 6 seconds at 60 degrees F hold for 12 seconds at 50 degrees F hold the stretch for 24 seconds at 40 degrees F hold for 48 seconds at 30 degrees…. go home…. The other advantage is this tests any knots you may have. I do not like the idea of holding the nylon in a piece of leather and pulling which does the same thing as above but at a higher temperature…… because the process stands a good chance of roughening and weakening a section of the nylon… tightlines, Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va *the trout teach many, lessons*

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Thanks for the comments here and in my email. I got a chance to go out yesterday afternoon and try the stretching. I am amazed at how well it actually works. Everyone who responded had a little different technique, and I will have to develop my own. I didn’t get any strikes, but if I had, I am much more confident I could have set the hook. Now I have to figure out how to tye that little tiny black gnat/mesquito looking bug that they were hitting all around my fly. But alas that is another thread. tight lines Kevin W. Tharp

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I am new to flyfishing and need help. Yesterday I went out and practiced on a farm pond that was frozen over just a few days ago. I was really just there for the casting practice, but my leader had such a bad coil memory that if I had gotten a strike I wouldn’t have known it. How do you take the memory out of a leader?

Hi Kevin, This is a common problem with a simple answer. First, anchor the butt end well in one hand, then intertwine it through a few fingers of your other hand and pull. If you let it slip through your fingers slowly it whould heat up and stretch the leader. If you pull too hard, you’ll burn your fingers a bit and stop pulling. If you don’t pull hard enough it won’t heat up. It does need to heat up to stretch and straighten it. As you get to the thinner part of the leader it takes less friction to heat and straighten it. This will straighten your leader without overheating it (bio-feedback, burns your fingers before it burns the leader). WARNING!! Don’t buy, make, or use a leader straightener. It will straighten out the leader just great but will overheat it and drop the breaking strength in half. Been there, done that, don’t recommend it. If you must use one, use it *very slowly*. Hope this helps, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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I am new to flyfishing and need help. Yesterday I went out and practiced on a farm pond that was frozen over just a few days ago. I was really just there for the casting practice, but my leader had such a bad coil memory that if I had gotten a strike I wouldn’t have known it. How do you take the memory out of a leader? Thanks in Advance Kevin W. Tharp Addicted angler and newbie fly fisher.

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I am new to flyfishing and need help. Yesterday I went out and practiced on a farm pond that was frozen over just a few days ago. I was really just there for the casting practice, but my leader had such a bad coil memory that if I had gotten a strike I wouldn’t have known it. How do you take the memory out of a leader? Thanks in Advance Kevin W. Tharp Addicted angler and newbie fly fisher.

A smart ass friend of mine says to catch a big Brown trout right off the bat. No, we really like to use the heat from our fingers from pulling the mono slowly between them. With the combination of the heat and the stretching it seems to do some good. With rubber or some other material you might burn or over heat and weaken your mono? Some old leaders might not straighten much. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you. A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow. I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27. So everone in town heard about my "27 in." fish. There’s even a plack on the wall of the Sisters Fly Shop with my name and the data on the fish. Arrgh! Oh well….

Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. TimW

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Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway.

Reminds me of one: "Fishing is a delusion completely surrounded by liars in old clothes"–Don Marquis

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Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. Reminds me of one: "Fishing is a delusion completely surrounded by liars in old clothes"–Don Marquis

Howabout, "All fishermen are liars, except you and me….. And, I’m not too sure about you." Charley

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you. A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow. I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27. So everone in town heard Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. TimW

Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Burton

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Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. Reminds me of one: "Fishing is a delusion completely surrounded by liars in old clothes"–Don Marquis

That’s pretty good! I like my "state of delusion"! -Burton

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you. A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow. I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27. So everone in town heard Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. TimW Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us.

Well then post ‘em in alt.binaries.pictures.fishin !!!!! Course, you coulda used that ’stretch’ tool in PhotoShop !!! Hell, I have a picture of a fur-bearing trout on the wall. Therefore they must exist, right… TimW

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Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. TimW Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Burton

The voyuer in me wants to see it on alt.binaries.pictures.fishning but my ISP is slow on the switch so I’ll have to use my imagination! Mike

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Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Well then post ‘em in alt.binaries.pictures.fishin !!!!! Course, you coulda used that ’stretch’ tool in PhotoShop !!! Hell, I have a picture of a fur-bearing trout on the wall. Therefore they must exist, right… TimW

Sure, sure! Sort of like a jackalope, huh! Burton

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Burton, go ahead and lie man. You’re an angler. If you told me the 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. TimW Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Burton The voyuer in me wants to see it on alt.binaries.pictures.fishning but my ISP is slow on the switch so I’ll have to use my imagination! Mike

Hi Mike, Just to help your imagination, she had more dark spots on her olive back than I have ever seen on a fish before. And the bright band of scarlet running down her side must have been an inch and half wide. Her gill plates bright scarlet all over and even the pectoral and anal fins were red. A great example of spawning colors. The fish took a #14 tan-olive scud. When I saw that yaw as she took the fly, I thought I was going to faint. -Burton

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You know, the apron-ruler on my JW tube begins with a ‘1′ on the very first mark. I don’t even need to lie, usually. Dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The voyuer in me wants to see it on alt.binaries.pictures.fishning but my ISP is slow on the switch so I’ll have to use my imagination! Mike Hi Mike, Just to help your imagination, she had more dark spots on her olive back than I have ever seen on a fish before. And the bright band of scarlet running down her side must have been an inch and half wide. Her gill plates bright scarlet all over and even the pectoral and anal fins were red. A great example of spawning colors. The fish took a #14 tan-olive scud. When I saw that yaw as she took the fly, I thought I was going to faint. -Burton

Hell, I almost fainted when you got to the pectoral and anal fins. WHEW, gotta get out more. Thanks for the cheap thrill! : Mike

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Well then post ‘em in alt.binaries.pictures.fishin !!!!! Course, you coulda used that ’stretch’ tool in PhotoShop !!! Hell, I have a picture of a fur-bearing trout on the wall. Therefore they must exist, right… TimW Sure, sure! Sort of like a jackalope, huh!

I’ve got one of those on the wall too. Nice 6 point buck. TimW

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You know, the apron-ruler on my JW tube begins with a ‘1′ on the very first mark. I don’t even need to lie, usually.

Oh…, that’s really good! An automatic liar built in. I had better go check my Buck’s Bag. ;-) -Burton

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====== Sure, sure! Sort of like a jackalope, huh! I’ve got one of those on the wall too. TimW

Whoa, you are too cool dude!! -Burton

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Howabout, "All fishermen are liars, except you and me….. And, I’m not too sure about you."

Or one of my recent favorites (paraphrasing at this point), "The only doubt cast upon the miracles of Jesus is that they were all witnessed by fishermen." I don’t know why, but that really cracks me up… "I swear to you, it was wine, man. I was there!!!" Ross Wilson (no email at the moment)

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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.

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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.

Hi Great though! — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.

I’ve long supported catch & release management of our fisheries. Most of the fish I catch are simply too heavy to carry anyway. __ john quill taylor / / writer at large / / Hewlett-Packard, Storage Systems Division __ /_/ / Boise, Idaho U.S.A. /_/ __ _ Telephone: (208) 396-2328 (MST = GMT – 7) / \ / Snail Mail: Hewlett-Packard / \ 11413 Chinden Blvd \ Boise, Idaho 83714 _/ Mailstop 852 _/ _/ "When in doubt, do as doubters do." – jqt – china, haiti, rwanda, cuba, bosnia, … we have a list, where is our schindler?

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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.

…but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW

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God, don’t let me fuck up. (yours truly, when playing a 20" brown in the Firehole last July.) -AR

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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW

Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you. A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow. I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27. So everone in town heard about my "27 in." fish. There’s even a plack on the wall of the Sisters Fly Shop with my name and the data on the fish. Arrgh! Oh well…. -Burton