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boy what a way to ruin my enjoyment of fishing reports. Blah! Memphis Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Gang, I looked out the widow this morning and knew it was going to waaaaaay too nice not to head out and do some fishing. I checked the tides and the afternoon was the ticket, I could get out around 3:30, get the last few hours of incoming and then catch the first few hours of outgoing, the perfect tide. Did not have to go far in the Choptank to find the breaking fish everywhere. Got the long rod out and started catching. Most fish were 16-18, I did get a few keepers. I ran into a few other Tidal Fish guys, John T and Jimbo who joined in the action. After about an hour of that I decided to go hunt some bigger fish in shallow water. The perfect day for it, light breeze and air temp. I headed off in the Choptank and as soon as I pulled up and cast my fly I hooked up. Caught steady for about 2 1/2 hours working the shorelines, most fish were 14-17 inches. Then just as I was getting ready to work my way back in towards the Tred Avon I got a huge hit, the fly just stopped, I thought I was stuck on rocks, I looked down and it was about 2 feet deep, figured I caught a rock, then it pulled back, then an instant later the line goes free…..”Big Fish”, I say to myself. Make the same cast…strip..strip..strip..pause..BANG! I set the hook, feels like a good fish, but I figure it is a runt with a lot of energy, then like a freight train it takes off, I cleared the line and got him on the reel. After a good fight, some juggling and Rest of the report is posted at TidalFish.com (http://www.TidalFish.com) Exact URL to my report is:

http://www.tidalfish.com/boards2/viewthread.asp?forum=AMB_AP332285722… 15 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good Fishing!

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Hi Gang, I looked out the widow this morning and knew it was going to waaaaaay too nice not to head out and do some fishing. I checked the tides and the afternoon was the ticket, I could get out around 3:30, get the last few hours of incoming and then catch the first few hours of outgoing, the perfect tide. Did not have to go far in the Choptank to find the breaking fish everywhere. Got the long rod out and started catching. Most fish were 16-18, I did get a few keepers. I ran into a few other Tidal Fish guys, John T and Jimbo who joined in the action. After about an hour of that I decided to go hunt some bigger fish in shallow water. The perfect day for it, light breeze and air temp. I headed off in the Choptank and as soon as I pulled up and cast my fly I hooked up. Caught steady for about 2 1/2 hours working the shorelines, most fish were 14-17 inches. Then just as I was getting ready to work my way back in towards the Tred Avon I got a huge hit, the fly just stopped, I thought I was stuck on rocks, I looked down and it was about 2 feet deep, figured I caught a rock, then it pulled back, then an instant later the line goes free

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Bloody horrible tasting,

I’m, surprised……I was told they taste like bald eagle….. and they cost a fortune.. about $5000 if you get caught with one.

….well, about the same price per pound, anyway. Of course the trick is not to get caught with one. hmmm maybe I could start a new franchise business KFK

Too late.  Already been done…..they just changed the name.       Wolfgang well, ya got yer kaka, and then ya got yer caca……and it don’t taste like chicken to me.

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Wolfgang well, ya got yer kaka, and then ya got yer caca……and it don’t taste like chicken to me.

It may be art, though. From the London Telegraph: —— The Tate values excrement more highly than gold By Catherine Milner, Arts Correspondent (Filed: 30/06/2002) Critics of modern art will at least applaud the irony. The Tate Gallery has paid

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If you have been here fishing, I’d appreciate hearing of your experiences and getting all advice you can spare. Thanks!

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Hi Tim, Summer months are best for fly fishing for most of us. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA http://www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you have been here fishing, I’d appreciate hearing of your experiences and getting all advice you can spare. Thanks!

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Can’t go wrong with the Orvis Silver Label series

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Hello, I am looking for a 5 weight 8 1/2′ rod, and am looking for a good quality rod without breaking the bank. I am considering a low to mid end G Loomis or Orvis, and have also heard good things about St. Croix. Has anybody had any experience with the Bass Pro Shops White River Series? All input appreciated, John.

I  occasionally wander in to Bass Pro main store in Springfield, MO  (ha! it’s like a big vacuum cleaner, sucks me right off the Interstate as I go by)  They do have a decent fly shop, and that’s the first place I head for. However, I can’t say much for the White River fly rods that I hefted.  They all felt tip-heavy to me. I recommend the St Croix folks in Park Falls, WI.  They make a fine fly pole at very reasonable prices.  There are others, for ex:  Redington, which I have no experience with. For those regulars who keep seeing me recommend St Croix, this must sound like a broken record, but, this is a fine little outfit, they give excellent service and make top-notch rods without inflating prices to the ridiculous levels of the "big name"  rod manufacturers. IMO, they deserve to stay in business, and prosper and keep these other guys honest. Good luck in your quest…. — Frank Church Elkhart, IN

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First, what do you have as a price range? "Breaking the bank" means different things to different people. Also, you may find that the fly reel and line may be just as expensive, or more, then the rod. Therefore you might want to ask about an inexpensive balanced outfit from say Cortland, Scientific Angler, (hate to say this) Orvis, or some combination a reputable flyshop can arrange for you. Ask about the ‘action’. You are probably better off with a medium action for your first flyrod.  If at all posible try to get a demonstration and cast the outfit. See how the rod feels. Have the salesperson cast the rod and watch how much or how little effort it takes for that person to cast with the rod. If it looks like he/she is having a hard time imagine how difficult it will be for you. Good luck.

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Therefore you might want to ask about an inexpensive balanced outfit from say Cortland, Scientific Angler, (hate to say this) Orvis, or some combination a reputable flyshop can arrange for you.

How can you send a newbie to Orvis?  Maybe their new entry-level outfits are OK, I wouldn’t know (but those of a few years ago were just AWFUL).  But consistently Orvis delivers the worst value for money of any fly fishing brand I know.  As an example:  a friend of mine purchased a oiled-cotton jacket at a sporting goods store for $85.  The exact same jacket, found in the Orvis store with the original mfg’s label taken out, and an Orvis label sewn in:  $129!

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Mike, the reason I mentioned Orvis is because many people like their equipment. Personally, I do not and I certainly agree that Orvis jacks up the price of items just for their label. My response to the ‘newbie’ offered assistance. Your response didn’t offer anything.

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I am looking for a 5 weight 8 1/2′ rod, and am looking for a good quality rod without breaking the bank. I am considering a low to mid end G Loomis or Orvis, and have also heard good things about St. Croix. Has anybody had any experience with the Bass Pro Shops White River Series?

St. Croix Pro Graphite (their low end rod) is a good rod and definitely won’t break the bank (less than $100).  The Redington RedStart rods are also excellent – a bit faster action, and a little pricier (around $150, I think).  I got a four-pice RedStart to take over from my St. Croix only because the St. Croix is a two-piece rod and I can no longer sandwich it into the car now that we have two car seats (and two kids to put in them .  I hope this helps. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Thanks for the replies…. The most I had planned on spending (for the rod only) is about $175 to $200.  Probably mid range of something! John. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, the reason I mentioned Orvis is because many people like their equipment. Personally, I do not and I certainly agree that Orvis jacks up the price of items just for their label. My response to the ‘newbie’ offered assistance. Your response didn’t offer anything.

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Thanks for the replies…. The most I had planned on spending (for the rod only) is about $175 to $200.  Probably mid range of something! anything.

The St. Croix Legend Ultra series, which I mentioned in my original post, is the top of the St. Croix line, and great value at $250 (compared to say a Sage SP, which they compete against, at $530) . The St. Croix Avid line is brand new.  Haven’t cast it, but would imagine it’s very good.  Somewhat slower action than the Ultra series, which as someone pointed out, isn’t bad for a beginner.  They go for $160-180 in trout weights. The tough thing about buying a rod is that you’d don’t really know what you’re buying until you gain a reasonable casting proficiency, and even then what you like tends to change over time.  I started with an Orvis HLS, which I "loved" for years — but didn’t know how to cast.  Now I find it unforgivably slow and spongy. With the ULTRA, you’d be getting a rod that would be a bit harder to cast with, but would probably last you for the rest of your life.  The Avid is cheaper, might work better now, but you might replace it in a few years. Michael You might also

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What kind of fishing will you do? My wife has a 4wt ultra legend St Croix and loves it, but its really only good for drys and very small nymphs. If you plan on fishing big rivers or larger weighted nymphs or buggers I’d suggest the Loomis GL-3 which has a little more backbone. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I am looking for a 5 weight 8 1/2′ rod, and am looking for a good quality rod without breaking the bank. I am considering a low to mid end G Loomis or Orvis, and have also heard good things about St. Croix. Has anybody had any experience with the Bass Pro Shops White River Series? All input appreciated, John.

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What kind of fishing will you do? My wife has a 4wt ultra legend St Croix and loves it, but its really only good for drys and very small nymphs. If you plan on fishing big rivers or larger weighted nymphs or buggers I’d suggest the Loomis GL-3 which has a little more backbone.

GregH.

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J.Cook wrote St. Croix also has two or three even cheaper lines of rods, which are still great for the price. I think the Imperial line is the cheapest, about $60-90 each.

"Pro Graphite" is their bottom of the line in the $85-$90 range.  Very good for the money. "Imperial" is the next one up from "ProGraphite" I believe in the $120-$140 range. Excellent for the money. Joel Axelrad

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John, I’ve got a Sage 580 DS (8 ft. 5 wt.) that I’ve been very happy with. Not a fast rod, more in the middle range somewhere, it is very forgiving for the beginner and doesn’t cost an arm and a leg. It was the first fly rod I owned and although I have 5 or 6 rods now, I still enjoy fishing with that rod. I own 2 G Loomis rods and would not recommend them, primarily for the warranty. The 3 wt. GL3 is a beautiful casting rod as is my 9wt GL3 but IMHO, Loomis rods without warranties are generally more expensive than their unconditional-lifetime-warrantied counterparts from other manufacturers. Might as well save the extra bucks and put it towards some other equipment. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I am looking for a 5 weight 8 1/2′ rod, and am looking for a good quality rod without breaking the bank. I am considering a low to mid end G Loomis or Orvis, and have also heard good things about St. Croix. Has anybody had any experience with the Bass Pro Shops White River Series? All input appreciated, John.

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Thanks to all for the input; I just bought a St. Croix Avid, and am very pleased.  Without a lot of experience, it was somewhat of a guess, but so far so good! John.

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Thanks to all for the input; I just bought a St. Croix Avid, and am very pleased.  Without a lot of experience, it was somewhat of a guess, but so far so good! fished with to my son Greg but that sucker soon was stolen . . . naturally.  Be proud, you have a good one.

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gentle snip.. We figure renting a car and heading south towards Punta Allen would be a good idea (you mentioned a spot fishable without boat at the bridge of Boca Paila).

Check out the bonefish on http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mmhodg I am standing on the Boca Paila bridge.  That was my first and only bonefish.  If I can catch one anyone can as I am totally clueless. Good luck and don’t forget your snorkle gear it should be great anywhere that time of year. mikeh

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Yes, there are some small flats near the bridge.  Much of the rest of the bay is muddy but there are spots you can reach on foot.  Legally you need a fishing license from the Boca Paila lodge owner. (he is also a warden, but historically he has ignored non-guided fishermen with good manners.  He has been known to call the marines to arrest fishermen w/o permits who cut off his guides.) I caught my first and only permit by the bridge. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – gentle snip.. We figure renting a car and heading south towards Punta Allen would be a good idea (you mentioned a spot fishable without boat at the bridge of Boca Paila). Check out the bonefish on http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mmhodg I am standing on the Boca Paila bridge.  That was my first and only bonefish.  If I can catch one anyone can as I am totally clueless. Good luck and don’t forget your snorkle gear it should be great anywhere that time of year. mikeh

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – gentle snip.. We figure renting a car and heading south towards Punta Allen would be a good idea (you mentioned a spot fishable without boat at the bridge of Boca Paila). Check out the bonefish on http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mmhodg I am standing on the Boca Paila bridge.  That was my first and only bonefish.  If I can catch one anyone can as I am totally clueless. Good luck and don’t forget your snorkle gear it should be great anywhere that time of year. mikeh

Hi Mike, You have a real special site. I saved it and will go back when I have more time. Your photos are very beautiful. Thanks. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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I would welcome anybodys opinions on the best fly pattern’s, sizes, colors, etc. for fishing Yucatan bonefish and barracuda.  Thanks.

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I would welcome anybodys opinions on the best fly pattern’s, sizes, colors, etc. for fishing Yucatan bonefish and barracuda.  Thanks.

Hi U, Take a look at the Crazy Charlie in pearl, gold, pink and root beer. Snapping Shrimp are good in tan, brown, olive, pink and chartreuse. The Bonefish Bitters is good in root beer and olive. Try some small ‘dime size’ crabs in tan or olive. The hook/fly size depends on the brand of hook. I use TMC800S in #6 and #8. In Mustad 3407 or 34007 I use #4 and 6. If the bones are heavily fished, I use smaller flies. On turtle grass I use no eyes or weight. On sand I like bead chain eyes. If I am in moving water or water that is deeper that 2′, I use lead eyes. If the bones are moving then lead them a little. If they are tailing, try to get straight upwind and cast 6" in front of their head. Try to stay on a light colored bottom in shallow water (12" to 18").  Any kind of a tide movement is good. For Barracuda most use a  8" long  green over white synthetic hair streamer with a wire tippet. Don’t cast at the fishes head. Cast in front of him and move it very fast. They can be very lazy if the tide is not moving. They seem to hit their prey in the middle, so most recommend a tandem hook in the rear of the fly. We are also using poppers for cudas. Many are caught while trolling if it is real windy or dark and cloudy. If you have any questions about the MX Yucatan or Belize let me know as it is my favorite subject. I am fishing 3 to 4 different places down there every year. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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The standard patterns are pretty good.  For Bones I like the Bonefish Bitter patterns in amber and olive (chartreuse works sometimes too) and I like smaller flies #6, even #8 too.  There is a pattern called the Squimp that i did very well with also.  For Cudas, the needlefish patterns in Chartreuse are good, and so are the Blanton Flashtail Whistlers. Have fun.

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If you have any questions about the MX Yucatan or Belize let me know as it is my favorite subject. I am fishing 3 to 4 different places down there every year.

Well, it seems me and my fishing pal are headed for Yucatan. We’ll be arriving on March the 30th., and we’ll stay a week in Playa del Carmen. We’re pretty much clueless when it comes to fishing for bones and the Yucatan area. Going with guides or staying at a fishing lodge would solve all our problems, but we trying to keep this at a budget level. We figure, we can afford guides one or two days, but we are unsure of who and where to go. My web searches mainly turned up some all-inclusive lodges, with steep prices. I did, however, search Dejanews for some pointers as well, and I found a bunch of your posts, which, as usual, were extremely helpful. We figure renting a car and heading south towards Punta Allen would be a good idea (you mentioned a spot fishable without boat at the bridge of Boca Paila). Going into Punta Allen itself also sounds exciting, perhaps spending a night there, trying to hook up with a guide or something, but we don’t speak Spanish (we speak English and German). An interesting fact was that in a guidebook, we found that the Bonefishing Club of Ascension Bay is run by a mr. Jan Persson, and that as Swedish sounding as names come. That would definitely be something to check up on when we get there..? So, we must decide how to spend our limited, precious guided time. Should we try a guide in Playa del Carmen or save our money for the Punta Allen area?  Or there any possibilities for fly fishing in Playa del Carmen at all?   Any pointers or recommendations on this would be greatly appreciated. (we already got a hotel, bundled with air fare) I think we got the gear situation under control, except for flies. Do you sell flies at your shop, Bill? We’d be _very_ happy to buy a set of your recommended flies. I will be needing one good set of flies, and one crappy set, looking good, for my friend.. (this is probably better suited for email, I guess) Our primary target is bonefish, but permit and even tarpon would be worth a shot, if the conditions favor it. We assume one can wade wet in normal clothes (thin long pants or shorts, shirt, sneakers), bringing a chest pack with water and fly fishing gear. Is that recommended for this time of year? (in terms of water temperature). How about a fishing license? Is that an issue at all? All hints and tips greatly appreciated. El Figen

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I just wanted to pass on this information. I posted here about two weeks ago that I was selling a Bantam Curado reel and received an e-mail from a man by the name of Warren Hansen.  He claimed that he was interested and made me a good offer to buy the reel.  He suggested that we agree on a day, and send the payment check and reel in the mail.  I was wary of this because I didn’t know if I could trust him.  When I e-mailed him saying I would send it C.O.D. thru UPS so that he couldn’t get the reel until he paid, I never heard back from him.  I can only assume that he had no intention of paying me since he bailed out as soon as I suggest a method thatwould force him to pay me.  Just letting you know in case this guy is doing this to other people.

   I’d be reluctant to slander the guy based on the scenario you’ve presented. I wouldn’t go for a UPS COD deal either. No one is home to receive and pay for the merchandise. When I’ve bought/sold stuff on the net the technique was to send the merchandise on receipt of a check or MO. In that case the buyer is at risk, but I’ve never had any problems. — Charlie   Newark, DE To reply by email please remove antispam "TY" from address.

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snip previous post Good point George, Does anyone know if it’s possible to open the package and check the contents before accepting shipment?  This is still assuming UPS COD as the method of transaction.  Is COD payment always in cash? Leny

As far as UPS goes, you can’t open it until you accept it.  UPS accepts checks. — Mark Cahill For E-mail remove the _Remove_This from the reply to address. http://www.geocities.com/Baja/3297/fishing.htm Mark Cahill’s Fishing New Engand -Daily Fishing News http://www.reel-time.com/ The Internet Journal of Saltwater Fly Fishing – Metropolitan Boston Regional Editor

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You were right to be wary. Never do business where the transaction can be costly to you. You made a very good suggestion on how to do it right. However, you should have posted a message describing what happened, leaving out the name. Informing others is useful but wrongly accusing (a suspect he certainly is) an individual is not.                         Cal– ****To reply e-mail remove the "_Remove_This " from the return address. ***** There is always free cheese in a mousetrap.

Nope…still a potential problem.  You are assuming that the seller really has something to sell.  UPS could show up (with a box full of rocks) and collect my cash…then who got cheated?  A con could work either way. Actually, in the original post, there was another unsubstantiated (how’s that for an engineer?) allegation: "He’s doing this to others." (paraphrased).  How does Noah know that? Just a little fodder for thought. George B.

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Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children read these postings.

Please be advised. If kids are anywhere near the usenet there are far worse things then swear words.  alt.fishing is mighty close to alt.f***ing in my news group list. I have not set up my account on my home system for this very reason.   TimW

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Nope…still a potential problem.  You are assuming that the seller really has something to sell.  UPS could show up (with a box full of rocks) and collect my cash…then who got cheated?  A con could work either way. ……snip……. George B.

Good point George, Does anyone know if it’s possible to open the package and check the contents before accepting shipment?  This is still assuming UPS COD as the method of transaction.  Is COD payment always in cash? Leny

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What is the new group?  Is there a rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.vulgar? -Mark Vinsel In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you can’t stand this….then don’t read any of the posting in the New group!!!      And I bet you are encouraging your kids to use vulgarity all the time IF YOU ARE EVER IN DOUBT…….CALL SOMEONE CLOSE TO YOU     Steve, Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children read these postings. Neil McNerney yeah, so if you keep it clean here odds are that they will never hear that kind of talk.

–   new web address:  http://www.vinsel.com

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: Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children : read these postings. No shit.

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Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children read these postings. Please be advised. If kids are anywhere near the usenet there are far worse things then swear words.  alt.fishing is mighty close to alt.f***ing in my news group list. TimW

This whole issue of profanity is not to protect the children from learning words they’re going to learn anyway it’s a matter of decency and setting an example.   The more examples children see, especially of those they look up to, the more they are going to repeat the behavior in the examples. They WILL learn those words.  Their behavior with regard to those words will be taught by us. Set a good example. gamma Daniels                                    / /                                   ((o o))                            —oOOo-(Y)<-oOOo— University Computing Services   <`)))<      <`)))<  71533,1011 University of Southern California      <`)))<      <`)))< I love the smell of baitfish in the morning.  Smells like… Saturday!!

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Being of Irish extraction ( 1/2 by blood), I can peel wallpaper with a good cussing but this is not the place for it. — Michael J Barnett

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You were right to be wary. Never do business where the transaction can be costly to you. You made a very good suggestion on how to do it right. However, you should have posted a message describing what happened, leaving out the name. Informing others is useful but wrongly accusing (a suspect he certainly is) an individual is not.                         Cal– ****To reply e-mail remove the "_Remove_This " from the return address. ***** There is always free cheese in a mousetrap.

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If you can’t stand this….then don’t read any of the posting in the New group!!!      And I bet you are encouraging your kids to use vulgarity all the time IF YOU ARE EVER IN DOUBT…….CALL SOMEONE CLOSE TO YOU     – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve, Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children read these postings. Neil McNerney yeah, so if you keep it clean here odds are that they will never hear that kind of talk.

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Some people just don’t know any better as that is the way they were brough up and live now. — Kent Prescott  D.A.V. & Mr. Mom  Remove the # before replying. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Being of Irish extraction ( 1/2 by blood), I can peel wallpaper with a good cussing but this is not the place for it. — Michael J Barnett

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Please refrain from letting your children read these postings.  Some people use profanity to get their point across.

Profanity is tasteless in newsgroups. Its also a waste of good profanity. Profanity should be saved up for when you lose a good fish. stev — stev_ix_netcom_com is a fake. Sorry, Im tired of all the crap I get in the mail.    

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The scary part is the guy posting with an "EDU" domain has the worst grammar.  Quit reading the news groups and study your freshman English homework. Of course, you could be an engineering student and then we would understand. — Michael J Barnett

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"Mama told me not to come…" Three Dog Night.

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Neil, Please refrain from letting your children read these postings.  Some people use profanity to get their point across.

Yeah, gawddammit! </c

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Profanity is tasteless in newsgroups. Its also a waste of good profanity. Profanity should be saved up for when you lose a good fish. stev

That’s right!!

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Noah- I guess it pays to be a little cautious but my experience has been very different than yours.   I have sold three reels to different people in the past two years.  In each case I insisted on sending them the reel first so they could evaluate and see that it was to their satisfaction. In each case I received a perfectly good check by return mail.   I corresponded with each of these people by e-mail and simply chose to trust the honesty of my fellow man.  I am not saying I would make the same decision in every case.  But after corresponding with each of these people that was the decision I made. It worked out well for me. Michael To reply please remove "nospam" from my address. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just wanted to pass on this information. I posted here about two weeks ago that I was selling a Bantam Curado reel and received an e-mail from a man by the name of Warren Hansen.  He claimed that he was interested and made me a good offer to buy the reel.  He suggested that we agree on a day, and send the payment check and reel in the mail.  I was wary of this because I didn’t know if I could trust him.  When I e-mailed him saying I would send it C.O.D. thru UPS so that he couldn’t get the reel until he paid, I never heard back from him.  I can only assume that he had no intention of paying me since he bailed out as soon as I suggest a method thatwould force him to pay me.  Just letting you know in case this guy is doing this to other people.                                                         -Noah Rollins                                                          http://grove.ufl.edu/~noahr                              "Should we, or should we not,                        follow the advice of the galactically stupid?"                           -Tom Cruise, "A Few Good Men"

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Steve, Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children read these postings. Neil McNerney

yeah, so if you keep it clean here odds are that they will never hear that kind of talk.

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You are a little, little man. Noah. People back out on deals all the time — a shame, but that’s doing business on the internet. He did not cheat you. You did not lose your reel….Why slander someone senselessly? For all you know, the poor SOB is in a hospital, after a car wreck, and it’s just taking him a long time to reply to your COD arrangement, since he’s having to type with a golf-pencil taped to his fucking TONGUE!

 Uh, Steve… I think maybe you are getting a little carried away here. Noah was just trying to help.  Maybe you should lay off the Mountain Dew??

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : ….. I can only assume that he had no : intention of paying me since he bailed out as soon as I suggest a method : thatwould force him to pay me.  Just letting you know in case this guy is : doing this to other people. You are a little, little man. Noah. People back out on deals all the time — a shame, but that’s doing business on the internet. He did not cheat you. You did not lose your reel….Why slander someone senselessly? For all you know, the poor SOB is in a hospital, after a car wreck, and it’s just taking him a long time to reply to your COD arrangement, since he’s having to type with a golf-pencil taped to his fucking TONGUE!

Steve, Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children read these postings. Neil McNerney

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  Please refrain from using profanity to get your point across.  Children   read these postings.   Neil McNerney

Neil, Please refrain from letting your children read these postings.  Some people use profanity to get their point across. -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html email: replace the "this_address_is_wrong" with "tgades"

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I just wanted to pass on this information. I posted here about two weeks ago that I was selling a Bantam Curado reel and received an e-mail from a man by the name of Warren Hansen.  He claimed that he was interested and made me a good offer to buy the reel.  He suggested that we agree on a day, and send the payment check and reel in the mail.  I was wary of this because I didn’t know if I could trust him.  When I e-mailed him saying I would send it C.O.D. thru UPS so that he couldn’t get the reel until he paid, I never heard back from him.  I can only assume that he had no intention of paying me since he bailed out as soon as I suggest a method thatwould force him to pay me.  Just letting you know in case this guy is doing this to other people.                                                         -Noah Rollins                                                          http://grove.ufl.edu/~noahr                              "Should we, or should we not,                        follow the advice of the galactically stupid?"                           -Tom Cruise, "A Few Good Men"

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: ….. I can only assume that he had no : intention of paying me since he bailed out as soon as I suggest a method : thatwould force him to pay me.  Just letting you know in case this guy is : doing this to other people. You are a little, little man. Noah. People back out on deals all the time — a shame, but that’s doing business on the internet. He did not cheat you. You did not lose your reel….Why slander someone senselessly? For all you know, the poor SOB is in a hospital, after a car wreck, and it’s just taking him a long time to reply to your COD arrangement, since he’s having to type with a golf-pencil taped to his fucking TONGUE!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A mate of mine has an old green heart rod that he has had from childhood in england(about 50 years ago). It has a tip section made from split cane. the rod is a five peice and casts about a size five line. The question is, does any one know if it is a normal thing for such a rod to have a different type of tip or it is a hybrid. He still catches fish on it when he feels nostalgic. Any help would be gratefully received. Neil Grose Tasmania Australia

Hi Neil Day before yesterday I was in the International Fly Fishing Center in Livingston looking at the rod display and observed a green heart rod with a split bamboo tip. I should have paid more attention when reading the information on the rod but I thing this practice was fairly common. Take care & … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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writes: A mate of mine has an old green heart rod that he has had from childhood in england(about 50 years ago). It has a tip section made from split cane. the rod is a five peice and casts about a size five line. The question is, does any one know if it is a normal thing for such a rod to have a different type of tip or it is a hybrid. He still catches fish on it when he feels nostalgic. Any help would be gratefully received. Neil Grose

Hi Neil, Before Hiram Leonard popularized the 6-strip split cane rod in the 1870’s, almost all of the "bamboo" rods were combinations of a split cane tip with the rest of the rod made from hardwoods such as greenheart, lancewood, monkeywood,etc.  Originally these tips were 3 strip tip sections, then 4, and finally 6 strip pieces.  Although the tips were made out of strips, the edges were rounded off to make it blend in with the rest of the rod. These tips were also made out of Calcutta cane as Tonkin cane was not introduced for rod building until about the turn of the century.  It was not until the 6 strip entire cane rod was popularized that the builders stopped rounding off the edges leaving the hexagonal shape that we are now so familiar with.   If the tip section of your rod has rounded edges or is made from only 3 or 4 strips you may have a much older rod in your possession.                                Hope this helps,                                       Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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A mate of mine has an old green heart rod that he has had from childhood in england(about 50 years ago). It has a tip section made from split cane. the rod is a five peice and casts about a size five line. The question is, does any one know if it is a normal thing for such a rod to have a different type of tip or it is a hybrid. He still catches fish on it when he feels nostalgic. Day before yesterday I was in the International Fly Fishing Center in Livingston looking at the rod display and observed a green heart rod with a split bamboo tip. I should have paid more attention when reading the information on the rod but I thing this practice was fairly common.

This was pretty standard design, greenheart doesn’t behave well in very thin sections whilst well built cane does.  Another common variation was whole cane bottom/built cane top – especially in spinning and worming tackle, bait fishers often used Whole Tonkin cane/Built cane/Whole Spanish reed combinations. Modern composites are not immune from this sort of thing, I still have a rod with glassfibre butt and carbon fibre top. I haven’t used it for a few years, must dig it out sometime and give it a try. As long as the cane is kept well varnished, you inspect it frequently and avoid overloading it, the rod should be good for another 50 years.  Now; does he have a silk line to cast with it? —

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A mate of mine has an old green heart rod that he has had from childhood in england(about 50 years ago). Now; does he have a silk line to cast with it? Derek Moody

How about a horse hair line ? Ernie Harrison

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A mate of mine has an old green heart rod that he has had from childhood in england(about 50 years ago). Now; does he have a silk line to cast with it? Derek Moody How about a horse hair line ? Ernie Harrison

nope, neither. An old buggered cortland D/T #5 is what he casts on it.

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How is Crane Prairie fishing these days. I plan to be there on the 25th of June. Any dry fly action? I have never fished it and was wondering if it is necessary to have a boat as I am not bringing along any flotation devices but am told I can rent a boat from the small store there. — David and B.J. Weitl Poulsbo, Washington http://www.nwfishing.com/dweitl

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How is Crane Prairie fishing these days.

As usual for this time of year, one day is excellent, next is dead.   Folks over the past two weeks have been doing decent (Rock Creek Campground area). Any dry fly action?

Some.  Usually damsels in the surface film are best, but a few mayflies should be present.  Dredging leeches (brandy-wine color) usually produces the most. … was wondering if it is necessary to have a boat …

Fishing from the bank is extremely limited, if at all.  You can rent boats at the resort.  At least the crowd I fish with tend to be in the Rock Creek / Quinn Channel areas, which are farthest from the Resort, so if you go with a rental, ask questions about the Deschutes Channel or make sure you have enough gas to make it across the reservior. Thomas Gilg

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Lars You got through to the newsgroup just fine. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products On line catalog – tips & tricks at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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-I’d like to go for trout in summertime in the mountains. -maybe somebody know a lodge for rent, nice places (colorado?) -and other useful tips?

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-I’d like to go for trout in summertime in the mountains. -maybe somebody know a lodge for rent, nice places (colorado?) -and other useful tips?

Clara: Explore TroutNet.  You’ll find all you requested and more. Have fun. Go trout fishin’. Bob O…<<…<<…<<….

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The Durango area in SW Colo has numerous great trout streams (San Juan, Dolores, Los Pinos, Animas, Florida rivers). For an upscale place to stay, with outstanding golf course, horse back riding, etc, try the Tamarron Hilton (800-678-1000), and call Duranglers Fly Shop (970-385-4081) for information and the best fly fishing guides in the area. For a more rustic small cabin, with kitchen facilities etc, located right on a fantastic trout stream (Florida River) call The O-Bar-O Guest Cabins through Durango info

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