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"Mona" <thehappyw…@myrealbox.com> wrote in message

news:af4vqd$b5noo$10@ID-95032.news.dfncis.de… > <snicker snort> So basically…MS was the gulf war syndrome of WW > II, where passenger pigeons were frequently used.. > — > Laura

LOL  8^) Rob

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"Michael" <muirh…@island.net> wrote in message

news:af53n602v6@drn.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <wFiR8.22952$uH2.2…@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Stef > says… > >"Michael" <muirh…@island.net> wrote in message > >news:af45gj018ce@drn.newsguy.com… > >> In article <iagR8.22066$uH2….@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Stef > >says… > >> That would make the Queen Charlotte > >> Islands among the greatest MS hotspots on the planet… which I can assure > >you > >> they are not now, nor have they ever been. > >Why would it make Queen Charlotte a hot spot?  Whats the weather like? What > >state is it in even? > You’ve shown your ignorance of so many things in the post to which I’m replying > that I have to just pick one and stick to it… so I’ll pick the one I like to > talk about. > I’ve got news for you, Rob.  Not every place on Earth is in a US State.

I know you arent American. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Queen Charlottte Islands are a Canadian island archipelago in the North > Pacific, centred at 53

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Nah, If you were really Welsh we wouldn’t have understood a thing you said! ) — Wayne (the Welsh invented Welshe’s Grape Juice….now, the Scotch on the other hand, made themselves useful!!!) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

I’m Welsh, and from your comments – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – above, Wales doesn’t exist! Seriously the Foot & Mouth epidemic is causing us a lot of problems.  I have organised a day out for a group of disabled anglers next week, and as the access to the fishery is via a farm, the outing has been cancelled.  Most public rights of way are closed. Some closures may seem a bit "knee-jerk", but F & M is serious, so we’ll put up with the inconvenience. I’m sure there are contingency plans for the admission of people (not just anglers) to the USA. — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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Wayne (the Welsh invented Welshe’s Grape Juice….now, the Scotch on the other hand, made themselves useful!!!)

They invented tape? ,      - Ken

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Nah, If you were really Welsh we wouldn’t have understood a thing you said!

ROTFL — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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Christopher Thomas emigrated to the colonies around 1634, from County Cairmarthen.  His parents were Tristram and Elizabeth Thomas.  I am not implying that you should have known any of these folk. <BG

Well, I live about half an hour from Carmarthen Town, of course the county is considerably larger. Thomas is quite a common name in Wales, though I’m surprised to hear the name Tristram as far back as 1634. — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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Let’s just say we’re talking after W.W. II and before the end of the Vietnam War.  Those 9 cases were where?

Before 1929, when the last was reported (as of that edition).  There were cases, 1 in Mexico and 1 in Canada, in the fifties that resulted in border quarantines.  If there were experiments with it pre-1975 and let’s say, for argument’s sake, post Dien Bien Phu, I’d suspect these were to release on SE Asia to mess up the buf population.  I just don’t see it being as that big an issue in the US (well, really, as a current naturally-active virus, anywhere in the Americas, a few parts of SA excepted, and as a weapon, the possible exception of parts of Mexico and CA) anymore.  Plus, it can be vacc’ed out. There are numerous reasons UK and Continental herds seem to get hit with this type of thing (or MCD, etc.), and some of it herd management practices, but some is space-related, and perhaps surprisingly, some is actually caused by the EU and politics. IMO, ranching practices in the Americas are such that it could and would be quickly contained because it would start and initially remain highly localized.  It could be economically bad for industry segments, but it wouldn’t cause a total collapse of the food supply, nor a strain on the agricultural output because of the extremely limited use of working cattle. TC, R

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Richard, did you receive the e-mail I sent you of the leather fly wallet a week of so ago?  If so, was it similar to the one that you have? — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

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Richard, did you receive the e-mail I sent you of the leather fly wallet a week of so ago?  If so, was it similar to the one that you have?

Well, you obviously didn’t get my response <G.  Yes, I did, and thanks – I sent you an email in response, but our ISP was purchased by Prodigy, and we have been going through the "take-over" process, so I’m not 100% certain of what gets to me or out on this account. Anyway, I had some questions and possible info, so when I can get back to the msg. I sent, I’ll resend.  Basically, it appears similar, but it was hard to tell, sorry.  IIRC, you were wondering about age, as well, and based on what I can deduce from my situation, mine is from the very late 1800’s or first quarter of the 1900’s.  As of yet, I haven’t gathered any real history on mine.  Was your dad able to shed any further light on yours? Along the same, er,  "lines" <G:  Willi, if you read this, where are we on the "conversation" resend and have you gotten the NL from OGJ? I hadn’t heard either way. TC, R

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As widespread as this tragedy is, it appears the whole country is under seige.  People are being arrested for possible quarantine violations and a sense of panic emerges.  The last outbreak in the early 90’s didn’t get quite so much attention here in the US as this one.  I think public awareness of HaM as a bio-warfare agent is greater.  We can only hope this comes under control quickly. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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"Tragedy"  is not really the right word in my opinion.  This and other similar things are simply the result of pre-programmed catastrophes waiting to happen.   Keeping massive quantities of livestock in unsuitable conditions, feeding them on questionable substances, well laced with all sorts of growth hormones, including various other wide-band medication, legal and otherwise, all in the name of profit. Is the main reason for such outbreaks. Couple this with the "free-trade" in such stuff, and you have the perfect scenario for a catastrophe. The only thing that really surprises me is that we do not have a lot more of the same, especially considering the conditions and circumstances in which other animals are kept and raised.  To call this "farming" is a sad joke. Perhaps our tofu days are nearer than we think? TL MC — "Curiosity is not necessarily a sign of intelligence" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As widespread as this tragedy is, it appears the whole country is under seige.  People are being arrested for possible quarantine violations and a sense of panic emerges.  The last outbreak in the early 90’s didn’t get quite so much attention here in the US as this one.  I think public awareness of HaM as a bio-warfare agent is greater.  We can only hope this comes under control quickly. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Bill, my dad has said that his side of the family are of Welsh/Irish decent. I believe it was my paternal Grandmother’s family.  They are Thomas’.  My paternal Grandfather was a Bowen–as, DUH– and they were from Ireland.  Do you know any Thomas’?  I believe we are descended from the Christopher Thomas line.  Christopher Thomas emigrated to the colonies around 1634, from County Cairmarthen.  His parents were Tristram and Elizabeth Thomas.  I am not implying that you should have known any of these folk. <BG Mark Harrington Bowen  a/k/a The Postmaster

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes With the outbreak of hoof and mouth disease in England, Scotland, and Ireland, closurers of farmland to hikers are taking place.  What will be the impact on fishermen of these closurers for the immediate future and will the approaching spring season be endangered by events?  This brings into question whether fly fishermen from infected regions should be permitted into the US to fish US waters.  I fish a spring creek where fishermen are in close proximity to cattle. I’m not going to answer, because I’m Welsh, and from your comments above, Wales doesn’t exist! Seriously the Foot & Mouth epidemic is causing us a lot of problems.  I have organised a day out for a group of disabled anglers next week, and as the access to the fishery is via a farm, the outing has been cancelled.  Most public rights of way are closed. Some closures may seem a bit "knee-jerk", but F & M is serious, so we’ll put up with the inconvenience. I’m sure there are contingency plans for the admission of people (not just anglers) to the USA. — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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Dad said he believed that the wallet came from either England or Scotland, due to the no. marking and that he believed it to have been made about the same time period as you stated for yours. Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, you obviously didn’t get my response <G.  Yes, I did, and thanks – –snippage… IIRC, you were wondering about age, as well, and based on what I can deduce from my situation, mine is from the very late 1800’s or first quarter of the 1900’s.   TC, R

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writes With the outbreak of hoof and mouth disease in England, Scotland, and Ireland, closurers of farmland to hikers are taking place.  What will be the impact on fishermen of these closurers for the immediate future and will the approaching spring season be endangered by events?  This brings into question whether fly fishermen from infected regions should be permitted into the US to fish US waters.  I fish a spring creek where fishermen are in close proximity to cattle.

I’m not going to answer, because I’m Welsh, and from your comments above, Wales doesn’t exist! Seriously the Foot & Mouth epidemic is causing us a lot of problems.  I have organised a day out for a group of disabled anglers next week, and as the access to the fishery is via a farm, the outing has been cancelled.  Most public rights of way are closed. Some closures may seem a bit "knee-jerk", but F & M is serious, so we’ll put up with the inconvenience. I’m sure there are contingency plans for the admission of people (not just anglers) to the USA. — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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As widespread as this tragedy is, it appears the whole country is under seige.  People are being arrested for possible quarantine violations and a sense of panic emerges.  The last outbreak in the early 90’s didn’t get quite so much attention here in the US as this one.  I think public awareness of HaM as a bio-warfare agent is greater.  We can only hope this comes under control quickly.

HUH!?  Foot and Mouth as a "bio-warfare agent?"  It really doesn’t affect the US, and it isn’t really fatal (OK, _maybe_ as some odd, hoping-for-damage form of "bio-terrorism"), but as warfare, it would be like one force sneezing on the other’s troops in battle and hoping they came down with really bad colds.  Are you sure you aren’t talking about anthrax?   TC, R

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The first experiments were with hoof-and-mouth because of its dispersement properties.  It was believed an intensified and more virulent strain could be developed which would incapacitate enemy troops and have a short life span to permit rapid occupation. — Wayne (not that I have any knowledge of such development or dispersement experiments) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HUH!?  Foot and Mouth as a "bio-warfare agent?"  It really doesn’t affect the US, and it isn’t really fatal (OK, _maybe_ as some odd, hoping-for-damage form of "bio-terrorism"), but as warfare, it would be like one force sneezing on the other’s troops in battle and hoping they came down with really bad colds.  Are you sure you aren’t talking about anthrax? TC, R

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The first experiments were with hoof-and-mouth because of its dispersement properties.  It was believed an intensified and more virulent strain could be developed which would incapacitate enemy troops and have a short life span to permit rapid occupation.

Um, are we talking WWI here (seriously)?  I can’t imagine using this virus, even "hopped" up (well, I guess it depends HOW hopped up).  I understand it just isn’t all that bad in its er, untampered-with form, as B/C’s go, and its danger in humans is even less than in bovine/ovine/equine pops.  It is basically non-existent in the US – most current RM texts that I have only give it a mention at best, but a early sixties edition of "Stockman’s" talks of 9 cases being reported in the US up to that point.  To the best of knowledge, I’ve never even seen it, in the US or otherwise.  It would seem its damage is mostly herd economics, rather than "danger" in the "mad cow" sense. TC, R

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With the outbreak of hoof and mouth disease in England, Scotland, and Ireland, closurers of farmland to hikers are taking place.  What will be the impact on fishermen of these closurers for the immediate future and will the approaching spring season be endangered by events?  This brings into question whether fly fishermen from infected regions should be permitted into the US to fish US waters.  I fish a spring creek where fishermen are in close proximity to cattle. Wayne to fish is human….to release divine!!  —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  —–   http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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Practically all fishing is closed as of now. Most waters are closed, and will remain so for some time.  Access to farmland etc is also extremely restricted. Many measures are being implemented to prevent the spread of the disease. Experience suggests that most will be ineffective. This is unfortunate, but a fact. Attempting to stop the spread of such viral diseases in this day and age of extremely high traffic in all directions is more or less impossible. Transport mechanisms for these diseases are in any case not fully understood. If you need more info on this, there is plenty flying around.  Specific fishing info may be obtained from the groups: uk.rec.fishing.coarse uk.rec.fishing.game uk.rec.fishing sea One assumes that special disinfectionary measures will be introduced in many places, as is already implemented at channel crossings etc. Trucks are obliged to drive through disinfection troughs etc etc. Whether such measures prove effective is a moot point. It remains to be seen whether America and other countries implement specific measures. TL MC — "Curiosity is not necessarily a sign of intelligence" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With the outbreak of hoof and mouth disease in England, Scotland, and Ireland, closurers of farmland to hikers are taking place.  What will be the impact on fishermen of these closurers for the immediate future and will the approaching spring season be endangered by events?  This brings into question whether fly fishermen from infected regions should be permitted into the US to fish US waters.  I fish a spring creek where fishermen are in close proximity to cattle. Wayne to fish is human….to release divine!!  —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the eb  —–   http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email

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Let’s just say we’re talking after W.W. II and before the end of the Vietnam War.  Those 9 cases were where? — Wayne (just guessing at these dates and possible derivative strains) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Mike, we are all party to the development of cheap food production procedures, even unwittingly. I am not convinced that this is the problem at all. Frequent transportation IMO is more likely: why do sheep need to be transported to Germany, then on to Belgium and from there to Italy.? This is madness. Surely the most economical method would be to kill near origin and ship as carcases? It would remove all the suffering, too. Or does transportation attract a subsidy? I know for a fact that car panels, made in Shropshire are shipped to Italy for labelling, then reimported to the UK because they then gain a subsidy. What about all the pollution caused by the lorry transprot over those distances? All unneccessary. All part of the EC madness. Chris

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Tragedy"  is not really the right word in my opinion.  This and other similar things are simply the result of pre-programmed catastrophes waiting to happen.   Keeping massive quantities of livestock in unsuitable conditions, feeding them on questionable substances, well laced with all sorts of growth hormones, including various other wide-band medication, legal and otherwise, all in the name of profit. Is the main reason for such outbreaks. Couple this with the "free-trade" in such stuff, and you have the perfect scenario for a catastrophe.

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I am in the market for a trailerable boat in the 22-26 foot range to be used in the ocean around the Channel Islands to mostly cruise and dive from.  I don’t really do that much fishing but would use it do dive but also be comfortable to sleep preferably up to 4 people.  I have always liked the Skipjacks and heard they are good in the ocean and enjoy the fly bridge.  I am looking for a good solid sea-worthy craft.  Single engine or double, im open on that.  Would love to take it someday up to the inner waterways up North of Washington and do a nice trip that way. Any recommendations on makes and models would be greatly appreciated. James

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Expensive, but nice.  Davis Boats in Morro Bay.  Rock Harbor 36. Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am in the market for a trailerable boat in the 22-26 foot range to be used in the ocean around the Channel Islands to mostly cruise and dive from.  I don’t really do that much fishing but would use it do dive but also be comfortable to sleep preferably up to 4 people.  I have always liked the Skipjacks and heard they are good in the ocean and enjoy the fly bridge.  I am looking for a good solid sea-worthy craft.  Single engine or double, im open on that.  Would love to take it someday up to the inner waterways up North of Washington and do a nice trip that way. Any recommendations on makes and models would be greatly appreciated. James

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OOPs Make that the Rock Harbor 25.  Bad fingers. Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Expensive, but nice.  Davis Boats in Morro Bay.  Rock Harbor 36. Bill I am in the market for a trailerable boat in the 22-26 foot range to be used in the ocean around the Channel Islands to mostly cruise and dive from.  I don’t really do that much fishing but would use it do dive but also be comfortable to sleep preferably up to 4 people.  I have always liked the Skipjacks and heard they are good in the ocean and enjoy the fly bridge.  I am looking for a good solid sea-worthy craft.  Single engine or double, im open on that.  Would love to take it someday up to the inner waterways up North of Washington and do a nice trip that way. Any recommendations on makes and models would be greatly appreciated. James

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Not to knock them, but they have a lower apeal after so many of them.

A real fish for once!   One day you too, will come to love those "Unreal Fish"  What a great morning to be alive!  Bruce Congratulations jim

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<snip a great story The second cast found the blues scattering violently as a dork figure surged from under the moss toward the cricket.

This is just begging for a joke. Nice story Qwezy.

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Finally got the bugger landed….my very first smallmouth bass (I think!) on a fly.  

It had to be a Largemouth. Well done. I’m far from a bass expert, but if I were you I’d try some poppers and other surface lures that are large enough that the bluegill can’t take them. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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as a dork figure surged from under the moss toward the cricket. This is just begging for a joke.

Well, hell…..that explains all the trouble with my casting today!  If I would Bruce

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Nice story QwezyR.  Thanks for providing the imagery that my day lacked and my mind desperately needed. Had to remember the posts about pulling back too hard on the line and/or pole…only an inch needed to anchor the hook

  One suggestion though, try using a fly rod instead of a pole when fly fishing.  You can cast a lot better with a fly rod than a pole.  HTH? Warren X#-[

Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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Finally got the bugger landed….my very first smallmouth bass (I think!) on a fly.  

Congrats— But it was a largemouth…….As far as I know there are no smallmouths in the Orlando area, and unless there are some in the panhandle I don’t know about, none in Florida! Lloyd Heilbrunn Palm Beach Gardens, FL.

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I’ve been learning this fly fishing craft for about a year now…with little chance to catch anything other than bluegill.  Not to knock them, but they have a lower apeal after so many of them.  That all changed today for me.  Picture, A stereotypical lazy, dark, Oak/Spanish moss covered central Florida stream…black water, moss on the banks, other aquatic vegitation here and there, black, still waters.  My newfound favorite hole for the time being. Been stalking whatever may be in there for a couple weks now.  Even learned the value of not stepping on the resident gator’s favorite hole.  On my K-mart trip this week for diapers, I got the urge to pick up some new flies.  A nice box of terrestrials looked enticing. Armed with my newfound cricket, I approached a shallow cove in the stream, dark waters broken slightly by shafts of light through the oaks.  The first cast across the stream to the opposite bank of moss with the cricket drew some attention of the bluegills….no bite.  The second cast found the blues scattering violently as a dork figure surged from under the moss toward the cricket.  This is it, I thought….the moment for which I’ve been lurking in this news group…all the lessons and thoughts of others culminating in this one dark fugure heading to my fly.  BAM!!!!!!  Much harder strike than any bluegill I ever had on the line!  Had to remember the posts about pulling back too hard on the line and/or pole…only an inch needed to anchor the hook.  And off on a fun ride we went!  THIS is what it’s all about, I thought for the couple minutes I played the fish, hoping I don’t lose my first real one. Finally got the bugger landed….my very first smallmouth bass (I think!) on a fly.  About 10-12 inches long (I have no idea how much that size would weigh) God, how exhilerating.  A real fish for once!  I remembered my vow to keep and grill the first real fish I ever caught on that rod…and thought again, "No…I’ll meet you again, little fishy!  Maybe next time, but thanks for the fun today!" What a great morning to be alive! Bruce

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Hi Corey,  have a look at these URL

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0] : Vision is very important in flyfishing. : …. : I wear "progressive" bifocals for everyday getting around, but at 8", my : knot-tying distance, I can see best with no glasses at all. That’s why I : find it most convenvient to wear single-prescription (not bifocal) : glasses for fishing. They’re securely fastened around my head with a : strap. I just drop them to my chest to tie knots or extract hooks from fish. : I wear contact lenses for one and only one activity — playing tennis. : They’re just perfect for that, but they’d be awful for fishing. I can’t : see close-up with contacts, so I’d have to wear an "extra strong" pair : of reading glasses for close work. That means I’d need (1) contact : lenses, (2) nonprescription sunglasses, and (3) extra-strong reading : glasses. Why bother? : — rw to be ornery, I’ll disagree with you. I wear contacts for about -4 diopter nearsightedness and am in my 50’s, so I have about the same problem as you. I prefer the hard contacts because they pretty much take out some considerable astigmatism I would otherwise have. My solution is to use your items (2) and (3) combined in one package which is sold as "Fisherman’s Bifocals"–polarized window glass on top and clear +3 diopter magnifiers in the bottom. Which brings up a point, that for knot tying, hook threading etc., what’s needed is considerably more magnification than is wanted for comfortable reading, in my case about +2. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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I wear contact lenses for one and only one activity — playing tennis. They’re just perfect for that, but they’d be awful for fishing. I can’t see close-up with contacts, so I’d have to wear an "extra strong" pair of reading glasses for close work. That means I’d need (1) contact lenses, (2) nonprescription sunglasses, and (3) extra-strong reading glasses. Why bother?

        hell fire, i am in complete accord.  before i’d go through all that song and dance just to tie on an adams, i’d just go back to the cabin, drink about half a fifth of absolut, and forget about the fishin. wayno

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Tripper: Exactly my situation.  I just ordered my first pair of bifocals last week, but ordered my new polarized sunglasses in single vision.  I have a flip focal on my hat that works great for knot tying.  Before I got it I was always having to take off my lenses to tie knots and last season I had to clean the bottom-of-the-canoe gunk from them a few times (fortunately never dropped them in a stream yet). I don’t bother flipping the flip-focals though – I find they are too distracting to have on a brim in the flipped-up state, and since I use a wide brimmed hat, not a baseball type hat, I just have them pinned on the back brim and rotate the whole hat when I need the magnifiers. I get a lot of curious looks from people who wonder why I have lenses on the back of my hat. –Stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My solution: a pair of wide-field prescription polaroids (glass) and a pair of those flip-down magnifiers that clip onto my hat bill.

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My solution: a pair of wide-field prescription polaroids (glass) and a pair of those flip-down magnifiers that clip onto my hat bill. Effective, cheap, and low risk.

With my prescription, the lenses would be an inch thick at the edges of ‘wide-field’ glasses. — Charlie…

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aw heck, you fellas with bad eyesight obviously haven’t heard of the pj prescription. pj’s eyesight for tying a knot is abysmal, or so he claims…so, whoever happens to be "lucky" enough to fish with him is conscripted to tie on his flies.  I’ve witnessed Peter Charles submit to the pj selective service on Snowbird Creek, even tied on a dropper as i recall…ain’t no more powerful prescription out there. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t see close-up with contacts, so I’d have to wear an "extra strong" pair of reading glasses for close work. That means I’d need (1) contact lenses, (2) nonprescription sunglasses, and (3) extra-strong reading glasses. Why bother? That’s basically what I use and, to me, it’s worth the bother just for the additional peripheral vision. I can read ‘normal’ sized print without reading glasses, but that’s right at my limit. I’ve been wearing glasses since third grade (44 years) and I plain do *not* like bifocals, especially for climbing over/under things and wading. I guess it’s just a matter of what you consider the bother is; to me distorted peripheral vision is more of a bother than an extra pair of glasses. Well, here’s a third take. I’ve been nearsighted enough to need glasses to drive since high school. And now that I’m almost half as old as Louie ;^) I’m starting to have trouble threading flies (I can read books without trouble – just can’t find the damned eye with the tippet without a struggle). And I won’t risk my eyes to any potential  injury/infection/whatever by using contact lenses. My solution: a pair of wide-field prescription polaroids (glass) and a pair of those flip-down magnifiers that clip onto my hat bill. Effective, cheap, and low risk. /daytripper

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My solution: a pair of wide-field prescription polaroids (glass) and a pair of those flip-down magnifiers that clip onto my hat bill. Effective, cheap, and low risk.

        plus, having spent a full day with you on hazel creek,  i can testify that they do a helluva job as a stand-in for a groucho disguise. wayno

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, here’s a third take. I’ve been nearsighted enough to need glasses to drive since high school. And now that I’m almost half as old as Louie ;^) I’m starting to have trouble threading flies (I can read books without trouble – just can’t find the damned eye with the tippet without a struggle). And I won’t risk my eyes to any potential  injury/infection/whatever by using contact lenses. My solution: a pair of wide-field prescription polaroids (glass) and a pair of those flip-down magnifiers that clip onto my hat bill. Effective, cheap, and low risk. /daytripper

Yep.  That’s exactly what I use.  Sometimes, I interpose Orvis sunglasses with the built-in magnifiers but contacts I will never use. All of my hats have a flip down magnifier attached. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC HEATHEN, n. A benighted creature who has the folly to worship something that he can see and feel.                – Ambrose Bierce: The Devil’s Dictionary

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My solution: a pair of wide-field prescription polaroids (glass) and a pair of those flip-down magnifiers that clip onto my hat bill. Effective, cheap, and low risk.    plus, having spent a full day with you on hazel creek,  i can testify that they do a helluva job as a stand-in for a groucho disguise.

Hell, with my beak, ’stache, and dark eyebrows,  I *am* Groucho! /daytripper ("Say the secret word and I’ll kick your Roe-Ann County arse!" ;^)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t see close-up with contacts, so I’d have to wear an "extra strong" pair of reading glasses for close work. That means I’d need (1) contact lenses, (2) nonprescription sunglasses, and (3) extra-strong reading glasses. Why bother? That’s basically what I use and, to me, it’s worth the bother just for the additional peripheral vision. I can read ‘normal’ sized print without reading glasses, but that’s right at my limit. I’ve been wearing glasses since third grade (44 years) and I plain do *not* like bifocals, especially for climbing over/under things and wading. I guess it’s just a matter of what you consider the bother is; to me distorted peripheral vision is more of a bother than an extra pair of glasses.

Well, here’s a third take. I’ve been nearsighted enough to need glasses to drive since high school. And now that I’m almost half as old as Louie ;^) I’m starting to have trouble threading flies (I can read books without trouble – just can’t find the damned eye with the tippet without a struggle). And I won’t risk my eyes to any potential  injury/infection/whatever by using contact lenses. My solution: a pair of wide-field prescription polaroids (glass) and a pair of those flip-down magnifiers that clip onto my hat bill. Effective, cheap, and low risk. /daytripper

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I can’t see close-up with contacts, so I’d have to wear an "extra strong" pair of reading glasses for close work. That means I’d need (1) contact lenses, (2) nonprescription sunglasses, and (3) extra-strong reading glasses. Why bother?

That’s basically what I use and, to me, it’s worth the bother just for the additional peripheral vision. I can read ‘normal’ sized print without reading glasses, but that’s right at my limit. I’ve been wearing glasses since third grade (44 years) and I plain do *not* like bifocals, especially for climbing over/under things and wading. I guess it’s just a matter of what you consider the bother is; to me distorted peripheral vision is more of a bother than an extra pair of glasses. — Charlie…

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Vision is very important in flyfishing. The flyfisherman not only has to see tiny flies far away in sometimes turbulent water against the glare of the sun, but he has to thread spiderweb-like tippets through the eyes of those tiny flies, and then tie intricate knots. It’s pretty hard for people with impaired vision to cope with the demands of flyfishing, especially as we get older. People who are nearsighted can’t see things far away; people who are farsighted can’t see things close up. If you’re nearsighted you need a negative correction; if you’re far sighted you need a positive correction. Nearsightedness often starts at an early age (4th grade for me), but nearly everyone becomes farsighted with advancing age, as the lenses loses flexibility and the means to change focal length, so nearsighted people eventually need bifocals. I wear "progressive" bifocals for everyday getting around, but at 8", my knot-tying distance, I can see best with no glasses at all. That’s why I find it most convenvient to wear single-prescription (not bifocal) glasses for fishing. They’re securely fastened around my head with a strap. I just drop them to my chest to tie knots or extract hooks from fish. I wear contact lenses for one and only one activity — playing tennis. They’re just perfect for that, but they’d be awful for fishing. I can’t see close-up with contacts, so I’d have to wear an "extra strong" pair of reading glasses for close work. That means I’d need (1) contact lenses, (2) nonprescription sunglasses, and (3) extra-strong reading glasses. Why bother? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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What does everyone use, if at all, for a thermometer?

Numbers are only necessary for bragging.

Of course, they are! For winter camping only, I like to carry one of those minimum registering thermometers that you lay down horizontally beside your sleeping bag. Makes for great stories when you get home! There are so few of us that enjoy winter camping and most of the people in the office really believe that anyone who sleeps outside in the winter is right off their rocker.

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A note regarding those of us who have Garmin GPS’. Some models are able to display temperature inside the case. This was intended specifically for internal calibration functions, but I’ve found it very accurate. It means letting the unit sit awhile in the environment you wish to measure. It can be accessed by specific combined key-presses. For more info, the following address should be enlightening. http://www.celia.mehaffey.com/dale/secret.htm jr

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Actually we are using this for a couple of reasons. — 1. Fun toy 2. Gathering data for the conditions during igloo building with our Icebox product. We do not feel giving inaccurate info to possible customers is right. It is a very nice unit but overkill for most unless you like gadgets.

I love gadgets. How big is this one, and how much does it cost? Adam Marx "Why must I fail at all my attempts at masonry?"

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The Suunto Vector has a thermoeter that seems to be pretty accurate. Along with the thermoeter, you get an altimeter, a compass, and a timepiece with stopwatch and 3 alarms (for cooking chili).

way kewl. how low does the thermometer read? how much do they cost and where can they be had? Cheaper than dirt sells a little coleman zipperpull, thermometer, compass, windchill chart for $2.97, but from the picture it appears it only goes down to about 0F. http://www.campmor.com campmor seems to have the best selection including digital (reads down to -58F), pen shaped (-50F) and keychain/compass(-30F).

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There are so few of us that enjoy winter camping and most of the people in the office really believe that anyone who sleeps outside in the winter is right off their rocker.

Paul,    Mmmmmm! Don’t the respect feel good? "You gotta be nuts".    Ed Huesers    http://www.grandshelters.com

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I have owned several, and while they may be pretty accurate, they will NOT give you an accurate indication of surrounding temperature until some time (manufacturer’s recommendations vary, but they seem to require at least 20 min.) after they are removed from your body (wrist)

I don’t usually take much note of the temp, but a couple of weeks ago I had my Avocet lying on the ground as I set up camp and cooked dinner. As I was starting to clean up I noticed that the Avocet read 39 F while my water bottle had frozen nearly half way from the bottom (I always prop the bottle upside down). I’d guess that for ice to form in your bottle just about fast enough to see it, it must be near 20. Guess it’s time for servicing, unless they are this innacurate by default. — Spammers NOTE: Your email to me is prohibited except for submissions for my proofreading services, for which my fee is $500 per email.

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What kind of experience do you folks have with digital thermometers? I would think they don’t work very well in cold (like 0 degrees fahrenheit) considering reduced battery output and lcd displays are probably very sensitive to cold temperatures.

Well, it does take a while for the display to display what it is displaying at 0F.  Also, the chronometer loses a bit of time at those temperatures.  After a week at shirt-sleeve temperatures, it’s less than a half-second off.  After three nights at 0F, it’s a second or two off. So, is it better to stick with old reliable liquid thermometers?

Better?  Different.  More reliable?  They are easier to break. — Jim Fuller

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What does everyone use, if at all, for a thermometer?

I used to use a little thermometer, but it was in-accurate. I then realized that I didn’t need that kind of accuracy anyway.  Numbers are only necessary for bragging. I have a few indicators.  Water…  If its liquid it’s above freezing, solid below.    If the trees are cracking from the cold it’s even colder.  Inhale through the nose.  If the nose-hairs freeze together, its quite cold.  The volume of the sound when walking on snow gives an indication as well. All these give me enough of an indication of the temperature for practical purposes. -Pete — Fight Spam! Join CAUCE (Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email)                  at http://www.cauce.org/  It is there as an experiment to see if email spammers scan content — Pete Hickey               |                         |       VEIWIT University of Ottawa      |                         |      mirrors for Ottawa,Ont. Canada K1N 6N5|  (613) 562-5800×1008    |       dyslexics.

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    What does everyone use, if at all, for a thermometer?     I used to use a little thermometer, but it was in-accurate.   I then realized that I didn’t need that kind of accuracy   anyway.  Numbers are only necessary for bragging.   Of course, they are! For winter camping only, I like to carry one of those minimum registering thermometers that you lay down horizontally beside your sleeping bag. Makes for great stories when you get home! There are so few of us that enjoy winter camping and most of the people in the office really believe that anyone who sleeps outside in the winter is right off their rocker. — Cheers, Paul Weiss Personal Home Page: http://www.netaccess.on.ca/~cpweiss/ Quote: "To you, it’s a six-pack … to me, it’s a support group!"            "Don’t take life too seriously … nobody gets out alive!"                                                        

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  We use a kestrel 3000, Wind speed,temp,wind chill,barameter,dew point,   humidity, heat stress index.   This is a very nice unit and very light. I can get temp readings in 5 to   10 seconds.   — Oooohhh … now doesn’t that sound like one sexy toy!! — Cheers, Paul Weiss Personal Home Page: http://www.netaccess.on.ca/~cpweiss/ Quote: "To you, it’s a six-pack … to me, it’s a support group!"            "Don’t take life too seriously … nobody gets out alive!"                                                        

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Actually we are using this for a couple of reasons. — 1. Fun toy 2. Gathering data for the conditions during igloo building with our Icebox product. We do not feel giving inaccurate info to possible customers is right. It is a very nice unit but overkill for most unless you like gadgets. — Guy (Gadget Boy) Menge http://www.grandshelters.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We use a kestrel 3000, Wind speed,temp,wind chill,barameter,dew point, humidity, heat stress index. This is a very nice unit and very light. I can get temp readings in 5 to 10 seconds. Wow!  What are you doing?  Hiking or waxing for an olympic XC ski event? — Fight Spam! Join CAUCE (Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email)                  at http://www.cauce.org/  It is there as an experiment to see if email spammers scan content — Pete Hickey               |                         |       VEIWIT University of Ottawa      |                         |      mirrors for Ottawa,Ont. Canada K1N 6N5|  (613) 562-5800×1008    |       dyslexics.

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What does everyone use, if at all, for a thermometer? I am interested in getting one, a digital readout would be nice……any suggestions?

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What does everyone use, if at all, for a thermometer? I am interested in getting one, a digital readout would be nice……any suggestions?

Temperature, for me, has been more of a curiosity than something I need to know.  On a cold winter morning, I like to say, "Golleee, it’s down to 10 degrees out here." I have had two nice liquid-filled thermometers that came in a plastic case. I broke both of them.  Dropped one, and one broke in the pack.  Right now I have a little liquid filled one about an inch long that is sort of a zipper pull, and I put it on one of my pack zippers.  No problem yet. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Visit  http://members.aol.com/MarvWelte/index.html for backpacking info.

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What does everyone use, if at all, for a thermometer? I am interested in getting one, a digital readout would be nice……any suggestions?

The Suunto Vector has a thermoeter that seems to be pretty accurate. Along with the thermoeter, you get an altimeter, a compass, and a timepiece with stopwatch and 3 alarms (for cooking chili). You can get a reasonably good metal-cased conventional "stream" thermometer at almost any fly-fishing outfitter for less cost. — Jim Fuller

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The Suunto Vector has a thermoeter that seems to be pretty accurate. Along with the thermoeter, you get an altimeter, a compass, and a timepiece with stopwatch and 3 alarms (for cooking chili).

Just one thing about those "wristwatch thermometers."  I have owned several, and while they may be pretty accurate, they will NOT give you an accurate indication of surrounding temperature until some time (manufacturer’s recommendations vary, but they seem to require at least 20 min.) after they are removed from your body (wrist).                   The pen is mighter than the devil’s playground              

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We use a kestrel 3000, Wind speed,temp,wind chill,barameter,dew point, humidity, heat stress index. This is a very nice unit and very light. I can get temp readings in 5 to 10 seconds. — Guy Menge http://www.grandshelters.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What does everyone use, if at all, for a thermometer? I am interested in getting one, a digital readout would be nice……any suggestions?

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We use a kestrel 3000, Wind speed,temp,wind chill,barameter,dew point, humidity, heat stress index. This is a very nice unit and very light. I can get temp readings in 5 to 10 seconds.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you.  A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow.  I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27.  So everone in town heard about my "27 in." fish.  There’s even a plack on the wall of the Sisters Fly Shop with my name and the data on the fish.  Arrgh!  Oh well….

Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway.   TimW

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Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway.

Reminds me of one: "Fishing is a delusion completely surrounded by liars in old clothes"–Don Marquis

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Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. Reminds me of one: "Fishing is a delusion completely surrounded by liars in old clothes"–Don Marquis

Howabout, "All fishermen are liars, except you and me….. And, I’m not too sure about you." Charley

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you.  A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow.  I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27.  So everone in town heard Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway.   TimW

Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Burton

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Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. Reminds me of one: "Fishing is a delusion completely surrounded by liars in old clothes"–Don Marquis

That’s pretty good!  I like my "state of delusion"! -Burton

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you.  A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow.  I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27.  So everone in town heard Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. TimW Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us.

Well then post ‘em in alt.binaries.pictures.fishin !!!!! Course, you coulda used that ’stretch’ tool in PhotoShop !!! Hell, I have a picture of a fur-bearing trout on the wall.   Therefore they must exist, right… TimW

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  Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway.   TimW Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Burton

The voyuer in me wants to see it on alt.binaries.pictures.fishning but my ISP is slow on the switch so I’ll have to use my imagination! Mike

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Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Well then post ‘em in alt.binaries.pictures.fishin !!!!! Course, you coulda used that ’stretch’ tool in PhotoShop !!! Hell, I have a picture of a fur-bearing trout on the wall.   Therefore they must exist, right… TimW

Sure, sure!  Sort of like a jackalope, huh! Burton

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway.   TimW Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Burton The voyuer in me wants to see it on alt.binaries.pictures.fishning but my ISP is slow on the switch so I’ll have to use my imagination! Mike

Hi Mike, Just to help your imagination, she had more dark spots on her olive back than I have ever seen on a fish before.  And the bright band of scarlet running down her side must have been an inch and half wide.  Her gill plates bright scarlet all over and even the pectoral and anal fins were red.  A great example of spawning colors.  The fish took a #14 tan-olive scud.  When I saw that yaw as she took the fly, I thought I was going to faint. -Burton

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You know, the apron-ruler on my JW tube begins with a ‘1′ on the very first mark.  I don’t even need to lie, usually. Dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The voyuer in me wants to see it on alt.binaries.pictures.fishning but my ISP is slow on the switch so I’ll have to use my imagination! Mike Hi Mike, Just to help your imagination, she had more dark spots on her olive back than I have ever seen on a fish before.  And the bright band of scarlet running down her side must have been an inch and half wide.  Her gill plates bright scarlet all over and even the pectoral and anal fins were red.  A great example of spawning colors.  The fish took a #14 tan-olive scud.  When I saw that yaw as she took the fly, I thought I was going to faint. -Burton

Hell, I almost fainted when you got to the pectoral and anal fins.  WHEW, gotta get out more.   Thanks for the cheap thrill!  : Mike

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Well then post ‘em in alt.binaries.pictures.fishin !!!!! Course, you coulda used that ’stretch’ tool in PhotoShop !!! Hell, I have a picture of a fur-bearing trout on the wall. Therefore they must exist, right… TimW Sure, sure!  Sort of like a jackalope, huh!

I’ve got one of those on the wall too.   Nice 6 point buck. TimW

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You know, the apron-ruler on my JW tube begins with a ‘1′ on the very first mark.  I don’t even need to lie, usually.

Oh…, that’s really good!  An automatic liar built in.  I had better go check my Buck’s Bag.  ;-) -Burton

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====== Sure, sure!  Sort of like a jackalope, huh! I’ve got one of those on the wall too.   TimW

Whoa, you are too cool dude!! -Burton

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Howabout, "All fishermen are liars, except you and me….. And, I’m not too sure about you."

Or one of my recent favorites (paraphrasing at this point), "The only doubt cast upon the miracles of Jesus is that they were all witnessed by fishermen." I don’t know why, but that really cracks me up… "I swear to you, it was wine, man. I was there!!!" Ross Wilson (no email at the moment)

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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.

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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.

Hi Great though! — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.

I’ve long supported catch & release management of our fisheries. Most of the fish I catch are simply too heavy to carry anyway.                                                        __ john quill taylor                                     / / writer at large                                      / /   Hewlett-Packard, Storage Systems Division    __     /_/ / Boise, Idaho U.S.A.                         /_/  __ _ Telephone: (208) 396-2328 (MST = GMT – 7)     /  \  / Snail Mail: Hewlett-Packard                    / \             11413 Chinden Blvd                 \             Boise, Idaho 83714                   _/             Mailstop 852                            _/                                                   _/       "When in doubt, do as doubters do." – jqt –                   china, haiti, rwanda, cuba, bosnia, … we have a list,              where is our schindler?

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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.

…but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW

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God, don’t let me fuck up. (yours truly, when playing a 20" brown in the Firehole last July.) -AR

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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW

Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you.  A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow.  I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27.  So everone in town heard about my "27 in." fish.  There’s even a plack on the wall of the Sisters Fly Shop with my name and the data on the fish.  Arrgh!  Oh well…. -Burton

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I am curious.  I have trolled some large blue water flies for marlin, Dorado, Wahoo.  Is it best to troll the fly with the popper head on it?         The last time out I was having the best luck trolling Large white flash flies, But were trolling a lot before any hook ups.  None had poppers on them.            This time I will also have flies rigged on other rods sitting on the boat for fast casting while fish are being landed.  I saw a swarm of fish whenever we caught fish last time we were in Mexico.  It seemed to me that this was the way to go.  That way my wife or I can grab them and hopefully get some hook ups while we are stopped and fighting fish.         I am new at blue water fishing, and have only got 4 trips under my belt so far.  Any information on ways to improve my blue water experience would be greatly appreciated.           I have seen a lot of videos talking about running teasers to bring fish in.  Can anybody give me some information on putting together teasers and what to use for them, Fish Feathers Beer cans Bananas?                        Thanks for any help you may have.                               Randy Pugh

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Try trolling hookless baits, and throwing the fly at any fish that come up. Strip out 50 feet of line into a bucket so you are ready for instant casts. Jeff Schaeffer

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Hi.  I just moved to West Lafayette Indiana from Wyoming.  I am here to finish my degree (Resort management) and will be here until June.   Does anybody know of a place nearby where I can fly fish?  I used to (well, 3 weeks ago) fish almost everyday and I desperately miss it.  Thanks!! Shannon WYShan.aol.com

Just practice catch and release, and don’t eat the fish anyway. You are somewhat lucky in that you have a number of rivers and creeks up there that have some nice smallmouth fishing. You can float the Tippy or find some smaller streams for wading. Ask around, and check in at some bait shops. I don’t know of FFng clubs in the Purdue area, but there are further north. Also there is some good farm pond fishing for Largemouth and bluegill. As far as trout go, do as I do and go to Mich or out west. Kevin Williams

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You ain’t that far from Missouri or Arkansas. A 3 day expedition to the Ozarks will help you get over your leaving Wyoming blues. I have fished both of these states pretty heavily in the last year (after moving here from Summit Co. Colorado) and have been smitten by the unspoiled beauty, the "pure strain McCloud Rainbows" (available nowhere else in the U.S.) and the relative lack of pressure in the Wild Trout management areas. If you would like some more information and/or would like to get together and see what there is in Missouri, feel free to e-mail me at: Tight Lines and Keep the Faith. Joe Sandone

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HI SHANNON, YOU ARE NOT TOO FAR FROM SOME OF THE BEST FALL RUN GREAT LAKES FISHING IN THE MIDWEST.  PROBALBLY ABOUT AN HOUR. IN THE TOWN OF PORTAGE IS THE LITTLE CALUMET RIVER AND SALT CREEK AND  ABOUT A MONTH FROM NOW THE FISH WILL BEGIN TO MOVE IN. BRING YOUR 9WT.  LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED FURTHER DETAILS.

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Let me offer a few suggestions. Trail Creek (and Salt Creek and the Little Calumet River) in Michigan City, about 2 hours from West Lafayette, offers some good steelhead fishing pretty much year round.  In the fall, chinooks, cohos, and browns are also available.  Obviously, they’re all hatchery fish, so I never feel guilty about keeping one every now and then.  I’ve taken steelhead up to 17 pounds, though bait fisherman get them over twenty pounds in the fall with some regularity.  The chinooks may top 30 lbs.  Careful, though, most of the southern shore of Lake Michigan and surrounding area reminds me of a toxic, industrial wasteland.  Damn, it ain’t Wyoming.  I gotta move. Let me also suggest the Pigeon River near Howe.  It’s probably 3 hours from Lafayette.  It’s a fairly pretty river with browns and rainbows, some of them pretty big, but all hatchery raised.  Indiana has a problem getting its trout to reproduce in the wild.  Anyway, for more info or suggestions, contact me. Bruce

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Shannon – how far are you from South Bend? You can come up and fish for steelhead and salmon in the St. Joseph River right in Leper Park. Other spots in southwest Michigan too. email me for more info. Ann

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: Hi.  I just moved to West Lafayette Indiana from Wyoming.  I am here to : finish my degree (Resort management) and will be here until June.   Does : anybody know of a place nearby where I can fly fish?  I used to (well, 3 : weeks ago) fish almost everyday and I desperately miss it.  Thanks!! : Shannon : WYShan.aol.com Well, you are 30 (maybe less) miles from the Middle Fork Illinois State Fish and Game Reserve. It’s just north of Kick-a-poo state park and NW of Danville (Both Illinois) As a indiana resident, you’ll need a non-resident license, (i think it’s under $25 for a year or around $15 for 10 days) I think your 50+ miles from Lake Michigan, but you should be near Sugar Creek (which runs thru that section of indiana). You should call the Indiana DNR, they should have free information that they’ll mail you (I’m sure they have set-aside areas too)       Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page:  http://www.ripco.com/~jwn/

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<snip : One warning:  Get a copy of the regs and carefully read the consumption : advisories– there is *no* water in Indiana that is not under some level : of consumption advisory for toxins like heavy metals, pesticides, dioxin, : etc.  On some waters you shouldn’t eat anything, on others it’s okay to : have 1-2 meals a week; pregnant women are advised not to eat any fish : caught here at all.  I’ve got the full EPA data on these advisories and : think it’s actually worse than the state regs let on– I won’t eat any : fish caught in Indiana water.   <snip On the Illinois DNR page, they have divided fish into 3 catagories, one that you can eat a few times a week, one that you can never eat, and my favorite catagory (group II) which shouldn’t be consumed by males under 16, females who ever anticipate giving birth, and there are a few other people who, depending on their health, can’t eat group II fish.  (i just always liked the "ever anticpate" clause).       Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page:  http://www.ripco.com/~jwn/

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You poor soul.  I have pity on you.  Wyoming to Indiana.  That’s probably worse than what we did– Oregon/Idaho to Indiana.  If you want to fish here it’ll be panfish, bass, and perhaps the hybrids they call "wipers." The best fishing is in farm ponds, though the large reserviors have produced a number of record bass and catfish.  Down south (where I am) there are monster catfish in some of the old quarries (seen Breaking Away?).  There are basically no salmonids at all though, with the exception of the Lake Michigan fishery and some stockers they put in a couple of creeks as sacrifices.  It’s a whole ‘nuther ballgame out here, let me tell you.  My steelhead gear and trout flies went into storage long ago, and only come out when I’m lucky enough to make it back West. One warning:  Get a copy of the regs and carefully read the consumption advisories– there is *no* water in Indiana that is not under some level of consumption advisory for toxins like heavy metals, pesticides, dioxin, etc.  On some waters you shouldn’t eat anything, on others it’s okay to have 1-2 meals a week; pregnant women are advised not to eat any fish caught here at all.  I’ve got the full EPA data on these advisories and think it’s actually worse than the state regs let on– I won’t eat any fish caught in Indiana water.   All that said, it’s good fun to learn to panfish, and I’ve found that bluegill or small bass on a #4 line can be a load of fun.  You’ll want to check out Turkey Run State Park and the Willow Slough, Lasalle, Hillenbrand, Winamac, and Kanakee fish and wildlife areas up in your corner of the state.  If you have time, drive up to Michigan for the real fishing; we did over Memmorial Day and it was well worth the 8 hour drive, if only to see running water that wasn’t brown. Good luck- — Derek R. Larson           Indiana University       Department of History   "Eastward I go by force, but Westward I go free!"  -H. D. Thoreau

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Shannon, Depending on how close you are to Lake Michigan you are within a short drive of year-round steelhead fishing. Pick up a fly fishing mag and check the ads. I bet there is an outfitter close by.

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Hi.  I just moved to West Lafayette Indiana from Wyoming.  I am here to finish my degree (Resort management) and will be here until June.   Does anybody know of a place nearby where I can fly fish?  I used to (well, 3 weeks ago) fish almost everyday and I desperately miss it.  Thanks!! Shannon WYShan.aol.com

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