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Tell Charlie and the others to be more respectful in the future and you will see all this nonsense disappear from this point on.

Just when you thought they couldn’t get funnier… — Charlie…

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____  I can take ass chewing when its justified, but you like everyone else don’t do your homework.  Why don’t you go back to the beginning and realize that I don’t take anyone on unless they attack me unjustly. That has been the case every time.  Check the treads Tom. If what you say about Wayne is true, then I’ve been duped by him and now you. Frankly, your attack on me is also off base.  Roff has turned into a vile place and has been needing a moderator for several years now.  I can assure you, starting from scratch, I’d be the last one a moderator would need to correct. If there is correcting to do, I’d say you’re off base on this one.  If you go back and TAKE INVENTORY my friend, you will see that it was Wayne that started writing dribble to me when in fact up to that point I never did that and if so in the past, it was so minor as to be just humorous and friendly barbs about lawyers.   Go back and check Tom.  If you dare.  I never attacked Wayne because he never provoked me until the posts prior to my challenge on what possibly could cause a reasonable man to say the things he said.  Consider this. If anyone in the future, from this POINT on . . . smart mouths me, which I won’t instigate, you take note of it pal.  I don’t call you Brownie, I don’t demean your name, I don’t call you any kind of names and I’ve always treated you with respect.  But when you come charging at me fighting other people’s battles which THEY start, then I say you’re sticking your nose where it doesn’t belong and you do not know the treads or those who start them. So, politely leave me alone regarding retorts.  I’m not here to impress you or to talk ill of you.  I would do that in private.  So you and the other feeding sharks who have no idea what the hell you’re doing, should do your home work before you. Again, from this point on, read the posts Tom before you get on my case.  I’m the the bad guy here.  Tell Charlie and the others to be more respectful in the future and you will see all this nonsense disappear from this point on. Let’s see, who throws the first stone after you Tom. I promise, it is never me. Get back to fly fishing everyone and clean up your acts before you start trying to correct me.  And don’t dig up old stuff out of context.  That also doesn’t fly anymore as it is self serving and those NEVER show the instigators I have challenged. Lately, do me a favor Tom.  Do everyone here a favor.  If EVER anyone demeans anyone in the slightest way, why don’t you point that out immediately in the future?   You be a test moderator and let’s see who gets to 10 points first. Think about it. Again, I’m not the bad guy here. Okay? — George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

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Again, from this point on, read the posts Tom before you get on my case.  I’m the the bad guy here.   Again, I’m not the bad guy here. Okay?

so which is it?  bad or not bad? <G cb

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 when i lived in tx, everyone just assumed that if you had interaction with any wild animal, BAM, it was rabies time.  

BAM pretty much describes the typical Texan’s wild animal interactions, doesn’t it<g. — Charlie…

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Wolfgang, and others.. let me add just one more bit of info, not definitive, but what the hell quote " Since 1980, 17 of 32 cases of human rabies in the United States have been associated with bat-related virus variants. Noteworthy, only one of these patients had a definite bite history. These cases and recent findings suggest that limited or insignificant physical contact with rabid bats may cause infection, even without a clear history of animal bite. " (this from Center for diseas control and precention, http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/fact/rabies.htm   ) while all told, it is a very small numer of total cases, it is a signifacnt percentage of that total. All told however, I suspect that wolfgang is correct in noting that bats wont get ya sick. and for the record, I think bats are very cool, and have had, not now but in the past, bat boxes set up in my yard. cheers, edwin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, so let me be the paranoid one.. but…. I hope you didnt actually touch the bat with your fingers.  In most parts of the US, it is assumed that any bat one comes in contact with has rabies, and unless you can be sure otherwise, rabies treatment is in order… very alarmist, of course.. but hey, why risk it… probably nothing to worry about tho. Bats are no more likely than any other mammal to carry rabies.  They also happen to be highly susceptible to the effects of the disease once they contract it.  In other words, once they are infected they succumb rather quickly, thus making them less likely than other animals to pass it on.  The notion that bats are high risk rabies transmitters is just another of the many unsupported myths surrounding these most useful  and interesting animals.

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Charlie, Almost.  I believe the word you were looking for was BANG. cheers, edwin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  when i lived in tx, everyone just assumed that if you had interaction with any wild animal, BAM, it was rabies time. BAM pretty much describes the typical Texan’s wild animal interactions, doesn’t it<g. — Charlie…

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Almost.  I believe the word you were looking for was BANG.

Depends on the caliber<g. — Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wolfgang, and others.. let me add just one more bit of info, not definitive, but what the hell quote " Since 1980, 17 of 32 cases of human rabies in the United States have been associated with bat-related virus variants. Noteworthy, only one of these patients had a definite bite history. These cases and recent findings suggest that limited or insignificant physical contact with rabid bats may cause infection, even without a clear history of animal bite. " (this from Center for diseas control and precention, http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/fact/rabies.htm   ) while all told, it is a very small numer of total cases, it is a signifacnt percentage of that total. All told however, I suspect that wolfgang is correct in noting that bats wont get ya sick. and for the record, I think bats are very cool, and have had, not now but in the past, bat boxes set up in my yard.

Very interesting.  This is the first I have ever heard about the possible transmission of rabies without a bite, and it does change the equation considerably.  Despite the irrational fear and dread so many people feel for bats, I suspect that they are more frequently handled than most other wild mammals.  Very few people are likely to handle a wild raccoon or skunk for example, regardless of the possibility of the animal being rabid, because of the comparatively high likelihood of being bitten.  Bats, on the other hand, are typically very small and much less formidable.  And, since they are frequently found in relatively large numbers in and around people’s yards, not to mention trout streams, contact must be more frequent. No reasonable person would recommend handling bats or any other wild animals unnecessarily.  And, of course, when handling bats is deemed necessary (for example, when one has gotten hold of your last good hex imitation) it should be done while wearing heavy leather gloves.  Nevertheless, as you pointed out, the risk is small enough that bats should not be stigmatized and persecuted as they so often are. I put up a bat box on a friend’s house about three years ago.  Unfortunately, the yard is heavily shaded, and there is no good place to put a box to take advantage of early morning sunshine which, I have read, is a necessary condition for attracting the bats.

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Taste good they do.  I used to fish for them at night (they are very active at night), when they often come into shallower water, with diving Rapalas.  Good fun.  Interestingly, we used to see bats flying over our heads. I believe some call walleye yellow pike??? Walleye have to be about the most misnamed fish there is. They’re members of the perch family. Walleye fishing is like a religion in Minnesota, but I didn’t much care for them when I lived there. They don’t fight hard and you have to fish deep. Live minnows and jigs work best. They taste good, though. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

– Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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So, what happened to the bat?

He floated off the swim deck and out into the lake a few minutes after I put him down.  He was still alive as near as I could tell. Natty

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ok, so let me be the paranoid one.. but…. I hope you didnt actually touch the bat with your fingers.  In most parts of the US, it is assumed that any bat one comes in contact with has rabies, and unless you can be sure otherwise, rabies treatment is in order… very alarmist, of course.. but hey, why risk it… probably nothing to worry about tho. edwin

I appreciate your concern….I put on a pair of thick neoprene  (sealz skin type) gloves before I handled him.  His little mouth was going a mile a minute trying to get a bite! Natty

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So, what happened to the bat? He floated off the swim deck and out into the lake a few minutes after I put him down.  He was still alive as near as I could tell.

Eek!  I read somewhere long ago that ALL animals can swim……but I don’t know….bats?…..emus?…..or are they still extinct?….hm….. Wolfgang

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So, what happened to the bat? He floated off the swim deck and out into the lake a few minutes after I put him down.  He was still alive as near as I could tell.

Bats are nothing. My fishing partner caught an albatross at Christmas Island, and I have the photo to prove it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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you have a better chance of getting rabbies from a cow

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, so let me be the paranoid one.. but…. I hope you didnt actually touch the bat with your fingers.  In most parts of the US, it is assumed that any bat one comes in contact with has rabies, and unless you can be sure otherwise, rabies treatment is in order… very alarmist, of course.. but hey, why risk it… probably nothing to worry about tho. edwin I appreciate your concern….I put on a pair of thick neoprene  (sealz skin type) gloves before I handled him.  His little mouth was going a mile a minute trying to get a bite! Natty

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Yeah, really, and we all know rabbies don’t eat anything that’s not kosher. you have a better chance of getting rabbies from a cow

– Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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[snipped a batty story] Natty

Natty – question. What’s a pickerel? In the Great White North, we call walleye, pickerel.  Is this a pike in your part of the world? Peter

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Natty – question. What’s a pickerel? In the Great White North, we call walleye, pickerel.  Is this a pike in your part of the world?

Yes, pickerel are a member of the pike family though plain pickerel are usually smaller than walleye.  There are a few types but the one I most commonly run into is just a plain pickerel or sometimes referred to as a grass pickerel (not to be confused with a chain pickerel which is much larger and a highly sought after game fish).  They have rounded, elongated bodies with a kind of flat, duck billed head/mouth. They are sort of greenish in color with dark brown/black thick vertical stripes that stretch from the top of their backs to about 2/3 down to the belly.  Oh yea, don’t mess with the teeth.  They are like daggers and can leave a permanent scar (told from experience).  They are a fun fish to catch, very strong and fast swimmers  though not at all acrobatic.  Once hooked they mostly try to go deep or straight away… I’ve never seen one jump. For more of a textbook type description check out http://members.tripod.com/~huntingfishing/grasspickerel.htm I don’t know what family of fish walleye are in (or if they are related to the pike or pickerel.  That’s pretty interesting though that walleye are called pickerel in your neck of the woods.  I’m gong to do some research..you’ve peaked my interest. Natty

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forgot – many years ago I caught a big northern while trolling and it did a tail walk right in front of an old couple sitting in a row boat, worm dunking for perch.  Shocked the hell out of ‘em.   They’re not shy about leaving the water, here.

Boy would I love to hook a nice northern!  That must have been some show that fish gave those folks.  Last year while on a hunting trip near Shefferville I passed on a chance to go out with one of the local natives and a few others for northerns.  I was having so much fun catching speckled trout (thats what the camp cook called them) out of a canoe in the lake right in camp that I didn’t want to leave.  After two more days of catching and releasing about 100 of these beatiful little trout I wish I had gone out for a chance at the big guys. Don’t know why I’ve never seen a pickerel jump.  Maybe the way I played them or maybe that’s just a difference between the pickerel and their bigger cousing the northerns.  I have seen shows and pictures with northerns doing the tail walk, just never been lucky enough to have a pickerel do one for me. Natty

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A friend invited me out on his boat for a nighttime fishing outing specifically to land walleye.  His boat, a beautiful 18 footer, is docked at a nearby lake which is the largest lake in the state.  Years ago the state decided to stock walleye and tiger muskies to add to the pickerel, channel cats, bass and other abundant species of game fish in the hopes of creating a world class trophy lake….they’ve succeeded to a degree. We set out just after dark, despite a sporadic misty rain. The water was like glass and it was quite warm and as a result, the pvc rain suit was a bit uncomfortable.  My friend had a ready supply of herring for bait which had been working for him the last few weeks.  I was eager to try out the new Okuma 5/6 disc drag on my old Fenwick 6 wt. in a setting that was completely unchartered for me.  Thanks to Walt, I also had some very nice streamers which are quite convincing herring imitations and a few clousers in varying colors and sizes.  Another first for me was the addition of a 4ft, lead core braided sink tip added onto my WF-F6 line.  I anticipated quite a different casting experience between the sink tip and the heavy streamer….chuck and duck! We got to our spot, the mist had stopped and my rig was all ready to fish.  A few false casts to get some line out and MAN, this was different!  That darn sink tip was really loading the rod and it made the streamers feel even heavier than they were.  After a minute or two of fooling around with the casting stroke and timing, I had it down well enough to be functional. My friend had his two poles already in rod holders with the baitfish doing their jobs well under the surface.  He was now engaged in lighting a cigar and tending to the cooler full of ale.  I on the other hand, was working the streamer and dealing with the sink tip during the casts. Thirty minutes into the fishing and visibility was now about 3 feet. A dense fog had descended on the water and the mist picked up again. Our Coleman fluorescent lanterns seemed to be the only visible light anywhere on the huge lake. It was quite a setting.  I noticed the line had become even harder to cast so I brought it in for a check.  Ah, no wonder….a clump of weeds were on the streamer.  As I brought the streamer to hand it emitted a screech and shook violently.  AAGGGHH, it nearly sent me to the deck as I stumbled over the bait bucket.  It was a bat!  Apparently, during a false cast this bat thought he had hit the mother load of juicy bugs and swooped in for the kill.  He wasn’t hooked but the leader had wrapped around him and he was subject to at least 2 or 3 more casts and being drug through the water as bait before I realized something was amiss.  I carefully unwrapped him and placed him on the swim platform on the back of the boat where he sat dazed but alive. Throughout the rest of the evening neither of us managed to catch a walleye.  I did catch two decent pickerel (the Okuma disc drag was up to the task)and my friend caught a huge catfish on the herring. Still, nothing will ever compare to my first terrestrial! Natty

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wolfgang, now now.. dont get bent out of shape.  I noted i was assuming the most possibly alarmist role I could. I suppose that it also depends on where one lives.. in the "rabies belt" of the US, people make all kinds of assumptions about wild animals having rabies.  when i lived in tx, everyone just assumed that if you had interaction with any wild animal, BAM, it was rabies time.  likely not the same assumptions elsewhere. cheers, edwin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, so let me be the paranoid one.. but…. I hope you didnt actually touch the bat with your fingers.  In most parts of the US, it is assumed that any bat one comes in contact with has rabies, and unless you can be sure otherwise, rabies treatment is in order… very alarmist, of course.. but hey, why risk it… probably nothing to worry about tho. Bats are no more likely than any other mammal to carry rabies.  They also happen to be highly susceptible to the effects of the disease once they contract it.  In other words, once they are infected they succumb rather quickly, thus making them less likely than other animals to pass it on.  The notion that bats are high risk rabies transmitters is just another of the many unsupported myths surrounding these most useful  and interesting animals.

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ok, so let me be the paranoid one.. but…. I hope you didnt actually touch the bat with your fingers.  In most parts of the US, it is assumed that any bat one comes in contact with has rabies, and unless you can be sure otherwise, rabies treatment is in order… very alarmist, of course.. but hey, why risk it… probably nothing to worry about tho. edwin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend invited me out on his boat for a nighttime fishing outing specifically to land walleye.  His boat, a beautiful 18 footer, is docked at a nearby lake which is the largest lake in the state.  Years ago the state decided to stock walleye and tiger muskies to add to the pickerel, channel cats, bass and other abundant species of game fish in the hopes of creating a world class trophy lake….they’ve succeeded to a degree. We set out just after dark, despite a sporadic misty rain. The water was like glass and it was quite warm and as a result, the pvc rain suit was a bit uncomfortable.  My friend had a ready supply of herring for bait which had been working for him the last few weeks.  I was eager to try out the new Okuma 5/6 disc drag on my old Fenwick 6 wt. in a setting that was completely unchartered for me.  Thanks to Walt, I also had some very nice streamers which are quite convincing herring imitations and a few clousers in varying colors and sizes.  Another first for me was the addition of a 4ft, lead core braided sink tip added onto my WF-F6 line.  I anticipated quite a different casting experience between the sink tip and the heavy streamer….chuck and duck! We got to our spot, the mist had stopped and my rig was all ready to fish.  A few false casts to get some line out and MAN, this was different!  That darn sink tip was really loading the rod and it made the streamers feel even heavier than they were.  After a minute or two of fooling around with the casting stroke and timing, I had it down well enough to be functional. My friend had his two poles already in rod holders with the baitfish doing their jobs well under the surface.  He was now engaged in lighting a cigar and tending to the cooler full of ale.  I on the other hand, was working the streamer and dealing with the sink tip during the casts. Thirty minutes into the fishing and visibility was now about 3 feet. A dense fog had descended on the water and the mist picked up again. Our Coleman fluorescent lanterns seemed to be the only visible light anywhere on the huge lake. It was quite a setting.  I noticed the line had become even harder to cast so I brought it in for a check.  Ah, no wonder….a clump of weeds were on the streamer.  As I brought the streamer to hand it emitted a screech and shook violently.  AAGGGHH, it nearly sent me to the deck as I stumbled over the bait bucket.  It was a bat!  Apparently, during a false cast this bat thought he had hit the mother load of juicy bugs and swooped in for the kill.  He wasn’t hooked but the leader had wrapped around him and he was subject to at least 2 or 3 more casts and being drug through the water as bait before I realized something was amiss.  I carefully unwrapped him and placed him on the swim platform on the back of the boat where he sat dazed but alive. Throughout the rest of the evening neither of us managed to catch a walleye.  I did catch two decent pickerel (the Okuma disc drag was up to the task)and my friend caught a huge catfish on the herring. Still, nothing will ever compare to my first terrestrial! Natty

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I believe some call walleye yellow pike??? Thanks – sounds like what we’d call grass pike and northern pike – the grass pike being the smaller.  Here, pickerel are walleye – same fish – different name.  Some of the Canadian TV fishing personalities have been using the American terms and the name ‘pickerel’ is starting to fall into disuse.

Regards, Jeff

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[snip] Thanks – sounds like what we’d call grass pike and northern pike – the grass pike being the smaller.  Here, pickerel are walleye – same fish – different name.  Some of the Canadian TV fishing personalities have been using the American terms and the name ‘pickerel’ is starting to fall into disuse. Peter

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forgot – many years ago I caught a big northern while trolling and it did a tail walk right in front of an old couple sitting in a row boat, worm dunking for perch.  Shocked the hell out of ‘em.   They’re not shy about leaving the water, here. Peter

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I believe some call walleye yellow pike???

Walleye have to be about the most misnamed fish there is. They’re members of the perch family. Walleye fishing is like a religion in Minnesota, but I didn’t much care for them when I lived there. They don’t fight hard and you have to fish deep. Live minnows and jigs work best. They taste good, though. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – forgot – many years ago I caught a big northern while trolling and it did a tail walk right in front of an old couple sitting in a row boat, worm dunking for perch.  Shocked the hell out of ‘em.   They’re not shy about leaving the water, here. Boy would I love to hook a nice northern!  That must have been some show that fish gave those folks.  Last year while on a hunting trip near Shefferville I passed on a chance to go out with one of the local natives and a few others for northerns.  I was having so much fun catching speckled trout (thats what the camp cook called them) out of a canoe in the lake right in camp that I didn’t want to leave.  After two more days of catching and releasing about 100 of these beatiful little trout I wish I had gone out for a chance at the big guys. Don’t know why I’ve never seen a pickerel jump.  Maybe the way I played them or maybe that’s just a difference between the pickerel and their bigger cousing the northerns.  I have seen shows and pictures with northerns doing the tail walk, just never been lucky enough to have a pickerel do one for me.

The pickerel we catch in New England have the "jump, shake, and toss the hook" move down to a science… /daytripper

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ok, so let me be the paranoid one.. but…. I hope you didnt actually touch the bat with your fingers.  In most parts of the US, it is assumed that any bat one comes in contact with has rabies, and unless you can be sure otherwise, rabies treatment is in order… very alarmist, of course.. but hey, why risk it… probably nothing to worry about tho.

Bats are no more likely than any other mammal to carry rabies.  They also happen to be highly susceptible to the effects of the disease once they contract it.  In other words, once they are infected they succumb rather quickly, thus making them less likely than other animals to pass it on.  The notion that bats are high risk rabies transmitters is just another of the many unsupported myths surrounding these most useful  and interesting animals.

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<snipped interesting tale of chiropteran catch So, what happened to the bat? Wolfgang fledermaus fan

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I’ll see what I can do, PSU tickets between the 20s are hard to find. I’d love to go to any PSU home game this year, and if I can get tickets I’ll contact you.  How much prior notice do you require?

I’m workin’ on a ticket in the visitors section from this end as well. Unfortunately, I’m well down the pecking order of Illini alums and probably won’t get one. If I do, I’d be very grateful and appreciative of the opportunity to have you show me some of those great PA streams around the ballgame. If we can pull this off, we’ll need to hijack Mark Faulkner and force him to fish with us. As far as prior notice, … hell, I don’t know, depends on what’s happening at the time. Don’t go to any expense on my account, the game will be on the tube anyway. — Ken Fortenberry

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This has the makings of an miniclave in central PA.  Let’s work on some tickets and see what happens.  After the so-called "Fighting Illini" get sent back to the playpen by the Nittany Lions – led by the quarterback now proudly known as the "defendant" – we can get to some serious fishing. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m workin’ on a ticket in the visitors section from this end as well. Unfortunately, I’m well down the pecking order of Illini alums and probably won’t get one. If I do, I’d be very grateful and appreciative of the opportunity to have you show me some of those great PA streams around the ballgame. If we can pull this off, we’ll need to hijack Mark Faulkner and force him to fish with us.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll see what I can do, PSU tickets between the 20s are hard to find.  I’d love to go to any PSU home game this year, and if I can get tickets I’ll contact you.  How much prior notice do you require? I’m workin’ on a ticket in the visitors section from this end as well. Unfortunately, I’m well down the pecking order of Illini alums and probably won’t get one. If I do, I’d be very grateful and appreciative of the opportunity to have you show me some of those great PA streams around the ballgame. If we can pull this off, we’ll need to hijack Mark Faulkner and force him to fish with us. As far as prior notice, … hell, I don’t know, depends on what’s happening at the time. Don’t go to any expense on my account, the game will be on the tube anyway. — Ken Fortenberry

Well, I had been looking for PSU tickets for any home game already.  If I can get them, I’m sure that I will be able to find somebody around here that would want to go with me if you are unavailable.  The most available tickets are always in the student section (of course) which is at the wrong end of the field for an Illini fan…  Usually you can find tickets in the newspaper or on eBay in the week or two immediately prior to the game.  Nothing personal, but a game vs. Illinios isn’t like a game against Michigan or OSU so finding tickets may not be impossible. Tom perhaps we should be looking for the Big Ten newsgroup? Before you buy.

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So I’m hoping that one of you ROFFians can help me…  Or maybe you just know somebody who might.  Anybody who fishes in the Centre/Clinton/Lycoming county region who would be willing to throw away a few hours of their time giving me a few pointers would be a blessing.  Hell, I’ll bring the food AND the beer. Thanks, Tom Before you buy.

Tom It just so happens that I will spending Labor Day weekend at my cabin along Slate Run in Lycoming County. I will arriving on Thur the 31st and departing Mon morning Sep 4. Slate Run is a beautiful wild trout stream in a remote wilderness setting as are Cedar Run and Young Womens Creek all near by. Maybe we could hookup sometime over the weekend for a little dry fly fishing. I probaby dry fly fish 95% of the time so maybe I could help you out a little there. Drop me a email message if you are interested. We would have to pick a time and place to meet before hand as there is no phone in the cabin. John Mimnall Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll see what I can do, PSU tickets between the 20s are hard to find. I’d love to go to any PSU home game this year, and if I can get tickets I’ll contact you.  How much prior notice do you require? I’m workin’ on a ticket in the visitors section from this end as well. Unfortunately, I’m well down the pecking order of Illini alums and probably won’t get one. If I do, I’d be very grateful and appreciative of the opportunity to have you show me some of those great PA streams around the ballgame. If we can pull this off, we’ll need to hijack Mark Faulkner and force him to fish with us. — Ken Fortenberry

Hell Ken you could probaby be on the stream by halftime as the soon to be convict PSU quarterback will probaby run circles around the Illini defense and there would be no question as to the outcome of the game by that time. Before you buy.

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Nothing personal, but a game vs. Illinios isn’t

like a game against Michigan or OSU so finding tickets may not be impossible.< Going at cut rate prices, one would assume. <g

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It just so happens that I will spending Labor Day weekend at my cabin along Slate Run in Lycoming County… Slate Run is a beautiful wild trout stream in a remote wilderness setting as are Cedar Run and Young Womens Creek all near by.

John, John, John. I’m afraid you might have just inadvertently invited one Anthony Wayne Harrison, Esquire to be a permanent house guest at your cabin. Tell me–how far exactly is it to Young Womens from your cabin? –Steve

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 Nothing personal, but a game vs. Illinios isn’t like a game against Michigan or OSU

    bwaaaaahaaaa!     truth always rings clear, even though the sound might be painful to certain ears. wayno

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It just so happens that I will spending Labor Day weekend at my cabin along Slate Run in Lycoming County… Slate Run is a beautiful wild trout stream in a remote wilderness setting as are Cedar Run and Young Womens Creek all near by. John, John, John. I’m afraid you might have just inadvertently invited one Anthony Wayne Harrison, Esquire to be a permanent house guest at your cabin. Tell me–how far exactly is it to Young Womens from your cabin? –Steve

No need for Mr. Harrison’s help as I already saw to it that all the young women along the creek are ‘changed’ and only have eye’s for me. Actually I think the creek was named after a young indian girl that was lost along it. Before you buy.

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Nothing personal, but a game vs. Illinios isn’t like a game against Michigan or OSU so finding tickets may not be impossible. Going at cut rate prices, one would assume. <g     bwaaaaahaaaa!     truth always rings clear, even though the sound might be painful to certain ears.

All this Illini razzing is music to my ears, especially from the Buckeye and Tarheel contingent who happened to be THE major source of college football Laphroaig last season. — Ken Fortenberry

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No need for Mr. Harrison’s help as I already saw to it that all the young women along the creek are ‘changed’ and only have eye’s for me.

        pretty work.  so many creeks; so little time. wayno

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All this Illini razzing is music to my ears, especially from the

Buckeye and Tarheel contingent who happened to be THE major source of college football Laphroaig last season. < Hey, Wayne.  Did you reseal your bottle the way I advised?  Gives Laphroaig a decent flavor.  0

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All this Illini razzing is music to my ears, especially from the Buckeye and Tarheel contingent who happened to be THE major source of college football Laphroaig last season. —

"college football Laphroaig"??? isn’t that a team in texas?  no wait that’s the horned phroaigs…  oh hell, can we at least have a better quality bet this year fellas??  with Laphroaig as the trophy, it’s no wonder the heels lost and wayno paid up…who’d want that cadaver juice?  ’cept ken, of course… <G jeff

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"college football Laphroaig"??? isn’t that a team in texas?  no wait that’s the horned phroaigs…  

Maybe you’re thinking of a different Forty, the north Dallas one perhaps? <g — Charlie…

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"college football Laphroaig"??? isn’t that a team in texas?  no wait that’s the horned phroaigs…  oh hell, can we at least have a better quality bet this year fellas??  with Laphroaig as the trophy, it’s no wonder the heels lost and wayno paid up…who’d want that cadaver juice?  ’cept ken, of course… <G

The Laphroaig is my winnings. If the Tarheels ever put together a football squad, I’d owe Wayno some horribly expensive chardonnay. If the Buckeyes were to get real lucky I’d have to get Harry a bottle of Cardhu. In the spirit of "you can never have too much Laphroaig" I should find a sucker^H^H^H^H^H^H  football fan of the Nittany Lion persuasion to swindle^H^H^H^H^H^H^H  bet with this year. — Ken Fortenberry

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Does anyone know what happened to my Barnoculars? Lost them sometime in college in California early 80’s… absolute necessity for college football where they frisk you as you enter… as a Democrat who encourages diversity, I’d put single malt in one half, bourbon in the other…

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I am, I guess, a newbie in many respects. I’ve owned a fly rod since 1990 or so, but

Hell, I’ll bring the food AND the beer. Tom

 Hell, if you bring the food and beer…….well, I’ll be there. I live a few hours away from Happy Valley  but try to get out that way as often as time allows. My last trip was probably a month ago so I’m due for another any weekend. Around Oct 9 I have five days free and plan on fishing/drinking my time away. Depending on my $$$ flow, I will be floating the Deleware, trying my luck at Striper fishing, searching for Salmon or camping at Hemlock Acres, which is in your neck of the woods. I’d be more than happy to give you a few pointers if I’m out that way. Have you tried Flyfishers Paradise? There’s a spot there I call the trough. Its the channel of water that flows out of the hatchery ponds. There are *big* fish there year round sipping on midges. The day before Christmas I was there- 24 degrees out and they were feeding! I’ve taught several of my friends how to midge fish there. My friend Phil caught his first fish on a fly there- a 17 inch bow on a sz. 26 midge. Its a good place to learn because the fish are immune to human presence. You can cast to them all day and they dont move. The key is to use small flies. Sz. 22 or smaller. And as long as I’m there to teach someone else, I don’t feel guilty about hooking a few myself  If I head that way, I’ll drop you a line. Tight Lines… Matt M.

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I am, I guess, a newbie in many respects. I’ve owned a fly rod since 1990 or so, but have only begun fly fishing (almost) exclusively this summer.  I grew up here in central PA (Clinton Co.) fishing with spinners and salmon eggs.  I can usually catch trout quite successfully in PA streams with a Panther Martin spinner…  This is my first summer fly fishing in PA. I am woefully inept with dry flies, 95% of my fly fishing experience being in Alaska, where the notorious ‘egg hatch’ is the only hatch worth worrying about.  Of the remaining 5%, 4% is pond fishing with small poppers for bass/crappie/bream in NC and 1% has been this summer here in central PA.  Due to this experience my casting is awful (I can roll cast REAL GOOD) and I have no idea which flies to use when. So far, my luck with dry flies has been not so great.  I caught two chubs a couple of weeks ago, and I’ve gone through several leaders and plenty of tippet material trying to catch a trout.  I was surprised by the chubs–I never even considered the possibility of catching a chub on a dry fly.  Or catching chubs at all, for that matter. I only know two people that fly fish, and neither of them very seriously.  One, my aunt’s husband, probably hasn’t fished in 5 years or more.  He may have been fairly adept at it at one time but he no longer seems to have any interest.  The other, the husband of a friend of the same aunt, hasn’t been fly fishing for very long and he is strictly a nymph fisherman. So I’m hoping that one of you ROFFians can help me…  Or maybe you just know somebody who might.  Anybody who fishes in the Centre/Clinton/Lycoming county region who would be willing to throw away a few hours of their time giving me a few pointers would be a blessing.  Hell, I’ll bring the food AND the beer. Just to keep you from digging up my ‘ROFFians: who the hell are these folks?’ post, I am: 33 years old. White. Male. 5′11". 240lbs. (I carry it well, ha ha) Married. (with child, a 15 month old girl) Employed. (Systems Consultant, i.e. glorified computer sales guy) Homeowner. (100-year old Victorian house that requires a LOT of time) I can listen to almost anything, music-wise, but prefer rock-n-roll. I don’t have the most flexible schedule (see above), but I am available practically every weekend.  Saturday or Sunday–no preference here. Penn’s Creek, Spring Creek, Fishing Creek, Kettle Creek, Pine Creek, wherever.  Let’s go fishing! Thanks, Tom Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …  Hell, I’ll bring the food AND the beer. FREE beer ?! Just to fish with you ? Don’t know which of us will get there first, me or Waldo. If it turns out to be Waldo, FER THE LUV OF GAWD, HIDE THE BEER ! If you let Waldo have the beer BEFORE fishing, you gotta drag him around by his groaty old waders all day. He’s a MUCH better fishing partner if you make him wait til the end of the day to start chugging beers. Hmmmmm, my calendar shows that the Illini are scheduled to whup the snot out of the Nittany Lions on Oct 21. If you were to fix me up with a decent seat, say between the 20’s, on Saturday, I would gladly teach you more than a few bad dry fly fishing habits on Sunday. — Ken Fortenberry

I’ll see what I can do, PSU tickets between the 20s are hard to find. I’d love to go to any PSU home game this year, and if I can get tickets I’ll contact you.  How much prior notice do you require? Tom Before you buy.

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…  Hell, I’ll bring the food AND the beer.

FREE beer ?! Just to fish with you ? Don’t know which of us will get there first, me or Waldo. If it turns out to be Waldo, FER THE LUV OF GAWD, HIDE THE BEER ! If you let Waldo have the beer BEFORE fishing, you gotta drag him around by his groaty old waders all day. He’s a MUCH better fishing partner if you make him wait til the end of the day to start chugging beers. Hmmmmm, my calendar shows that the Illini are scheduled to whup the snot out of the Nittany Lions on Oct 21. If you were to fix me up with a decent seat, say between the 20’s, on Saturday, I would gladly teach you more than a few bad dry fly fishing habits on Sunday.   — Ken Fortenberry

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If you let Waldo have the beer BEFORE fishing, you gotta drag him around by his groaty old waders all day.

I always wondered how you spell "groaty". Regards, Jeff

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If you let Waldo have the beer BEFORE fishing, you gotta drag him around by his groaty old waders all day. I always wondered how you spell "groaty".

G  R  O  A  T  Y Groady, on the other hand, is spelled with a d. Wolfgang W  O  L  F  G  A  N  G

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am, I guess, a newbie in many respects. I’ve owned a fly rod since 1990 or so, but have only begun fly fishing (almost) exclusively this summer.  I grew up here in central PA (Clinton Co.) fishing with spinners and salmon eggs.  I can usually catch trout quite successfully in PA streams with a Panther Martin spinner…  This is my first summer fly fishing in PA. I am woefully inept with dry flies, 95% of my fly fishing experience being in Alaska, where the notorious ‘egg hatch’ is the only hatch worth worrying about.  Of the remaining 5%, 4% is pond fishing with small poppers for bass/crappie/bream in NC and 1% has been this summer here in central PA.  Due to this experience my casting is awful (I can roll cast REAL GOOD) and I have no idea which flies to use when. So far, my luck with dry flies has been not so great.  I caught two chubs a couple of weeks ago, and I’ve gone through several leaders and plenty of tippet material trying to catch a trout.  I was surprised by the chubs–I never even considered the possibility of catching a chub on a dry fly.  Or catching chubs at all, for that matter. I only know two people that fly fish, and neither of them very seriously.  One, my aunt’s husband, probably hasn’t fished in 5 years or more.  He may have been fairly adept at it at one time but he no longer seems to have any interest.  The other, the husband of a friend of the same aunt, hasn’t been fly fishing for very long and he is strictly a nymph fisherman. So I’m hoping that one of you ROFFians can help me…  Or maybe you just know somebody who might.  Anybody who fishes in the Centre/Clinton/Lycoming county region who would be willing to throw away a few hours of their time giving me a few pointers would be a blessing.  Hell, I’ll bring the food AND the beer. Just to keep you from digging up my ‘ROFFians: who the hell are these folks?’ post, I am: 33 years old. White. Male. 5′11". 240lbs. (I carry it well, ha ha) Married. (with child, a 15 month old girl) Employed. (Systems Consultant, i.e. glorified computer sales guy) Homeowner. (100-year old Victorian house that requires a LOT of time) I can listen to almost anything, music-wise, but prefer rock-n-roll. I don’t have the most flexible schedule (see above), but I am available practically every weekend.  Saturday or Sunday–no preference here. Penn’s Creek, Spring Creek, Fishing Creek, Kettle Creek, Pine Creek, wherever.  Let’s go fishing! Thanks, Tom Before you buy.

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I am, I guess, a newbie in many respects. I’ve owned a fly rod since 1990 or so, but have only begun fly fishing (almost) exclusively this summer.  I grew up here in central PA (Clinton Co.) fishing with spinners and salmon eggs.  I can usually catch trout quite successfully in PA streams with a Panther Martin spinner…  This is my first summer fly fishing in PA.

(woes and travails of the flyfisher snipped) Tom – Contact me be email and I’ll see if I can help.  A bit limited in my activities these days – at least for the short term – but let’s see. Mark Faulkner

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This has been a very different Spring, pre-runoff season here in Colorado. My local river is fishing more like it normally does in late Summer than during a typical Spring. They are beginning to draw water for the farmers and runoff hasn’t started. Weather has been warm and the river is VERY low and warm for this time of year. Hatches have started but are limited in variety. BWO’s, heavy on cloudy days and sporadic on sunny ones. Midges pretty consistent. No caddis or stoneflies. Just like late summer. I really enjoy this type of fishing. All day on cloudy days and in the morning and late in the day on sunny ones, the fish move into the heads of the pools and feed. They are surface feeding as well as chasing nymphs, often leaving wakes while feeding in water less than a foot in depth. This is slow, meticulous fishing that suits my unasked for "maturity."  Stalking, crawling, and creeping into casting position without spooking the fish is the first requirement for success. This can frequently take up to ten minutes, resting the fish after each short crawl. Long tapered leaders that can turn over a long light tippet are a help as is a slow rod that will cast a long leader with little or no line beyond the tip. Slow careful approaches that get you close enough for a short cast with very little line on the water are much more effective than longer casts that can line cruising fish. In situations that require longer casts, I really like the new, for me, Cortland Clear Creek line with its long front taper.     Many of these fish are cruising the slack shallow water picking off whatever they find instead of setting up feeding stations like the fish feeding in areas with current. These are the toughest ones. It’s hard to predict where they will feed next and the lack of current give them a long look at your fly. Any line slap near them, sends them scurrying off leaving a wake, often putting the other fish down. The fish feeding in the tongues of current are much easier. The current helps hide imperfect presentations and the fish don’t have the time to scrutinize your fly. The rule of fishing the fish closest to you really applies in this situation. Spooking a fish near you will often results in a ruckus that will put down the other fish or even send them all off to deeper water. Playing a hooked fish without spooking the rest takes some luck and some strategy. I find that steady sideways pressure leading the fish away from the others and toward deeper water immediately after the strike SOMETIMES works. If it doesn’t, you generally have two choices, rest the fish and hope they’ll return to feeding or look for a new pod of fish. I’ve caught some surprisingly large fish during these shallow water feeding sprees. Catching a 20+ inch fish in water this shallow is a kick! Willi

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This may be old info, and I can’t vouch for the truth in it, but I found this to be funny. An article I read recently said that PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) had not copyrighted "PETA" acronym. By not doing so, it was left open to be used by any other group that might choose to copyright it.      (Snip)    How about ‘People Enraged at the Tactics of Assholes’?

Dee Crabtree

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Dear All; PETA humor is an oxymoron.  PETA people have no sense of humor. Popping Extra Tumms Antacids Perpetually Engendered to Thoughtless Activities Profanity, Epithets and Terrorist Activities Geez, I’m out!  (That first one is pretty far out there!  It’s funny if you keep reading it or saying it over to yourself.  Handgrenade humour.) Sincerely JB

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This may be old info, and I can’t vouch for the truth in it, but I found this to be funny. An article I read recently said that PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) had not copyrighted "PETA" acronym. By not doing so, it was left open to be used by any other group that might choose to copyright it.      (Snip)    How about ‘People Enraged at the Tactics of Assholes’?

check out www.peta.org (people eating tasty animals) I think.. -Dan-

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Please join my PETA group today !!! "Persons Enjoying Trout Almondine " TimW

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Iwould like to start a local chapter of PETA; People Extremely Tired of Assholes Dale

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Iwould like to start a local chapter of PETA; People Extremely Tired of Assholes Dale

And who would make up the charter membership, Dan ??? Dee Crabtree

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Quoting fuscor6285 from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    < An article I read recently said that PETA (People for the Ethical    < Treatment of Animals) had not copyrighted "PETA" acronym. By not    < doing so, it was left open to be used by any other group that might    < choose to copyright it.    <    <     (Snip)    <     How about ‘People Enraged at the Tactics of Assholes’? You can check out the web page of that other group "People Eating Tasty Animals" at http://www.peta.org/ Jim Carlisle

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And someone did, creating a PETA group (People Eating Tasty Animals). Supposedly the old peta is trying to force the new peta to relinquish the acronym. Whether true or not, it is humorous, and sums up my attitude towards PETA. It is true and there is a web page dedicated to it’s proliferation. I just can’t remember what it is though!

Try http://www.peta.org Dennis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gary McMeekin

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This may be old info, and I can’t vouch for the truth in it, but I found this to be funny. An article I read recently said that PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) had not copyrighted "PETA" acronym. By not doing so, it was left open to be used by any other group that might choose to copyright it.      (Snip)    How about ‘People Enraged at the Tactics of Assholes’?

i can’t see the past posts so i may be repeating but there is a home page already using the peta name …people eating tasty animals…try http://www.peta.org or something like that and you will see why peta wishes they had regestered their name…  ;) jeff

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This may be old info, and I can’t vouch for the truth in it, but I found this to be funny. An article I read recently said that PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) had not copyrighted "PETA" acronym. By not doing so, it was left open to be used by any other group that might choose to copyright it.   And someone did, creating a PETA group (People Eating Tasty Animals). Supposedly the old peta is trying to force the new peta to relinquish the acronym. Whether true or not, it is humorous, and sums up my attitude towards PETA.

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And someone did, creating a PETA group (People Eating Tasty Animals). Supposedly the old peta is trying to force the new peta to relinquish the acronym. Whether true or not, it is humorous, and sums up my attitude towards PETA.

It is true and there is a web page dedicated to it’s proliferation. I just can’t remember what it is though! Gary McMeekin

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This may be old info, and I can’t vouch for the truth in it, but I found this to be funny. An article I read recently said that PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) had not copyrighted "PETA" acronym. By not doing so, it was left open to be used by any other group that might choose to copyright it.  

        (Snip)         How about ‘People Enraged at the Tactics of Assholes’?

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It’s Friday at 3+ pm on th ewest coast and I just finished reading all my mail and catching up my newsgroups. I’m submitting this post because of an alarming trend I’ve noticed lately….you know, these 3 groups (alt.fishing, rec.outdoors.fishing, rec.outdoors.fishing.fly) seem to get POSTED TO MORE ON THE WEEKENDS than any of the others I’m involved with! I remember my Dad telling me when I was a kid "the reason you don’t catch any fish is your’re too busy fartin’ around instead of fishin’" Well ladies and gents, the same applies to the rest of you out there..fish at least for a coupla’ hours this weekend or teach some kid how to cast or tie a fly, tie a clinch, blood or surgeon’s knot or cast with a bait casting reel….BUT STAY OFF THE NET….the holes are too big, and the fish SLIPP rihght through…. My thoughts, I’m going to the Delta tonight for cats..wish me luck! Larry  #:)#

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I had a boss once who was fond of saying you don’t catch any fish unless you have a line in the water.  The older I get, the wiser he sounds.

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Larry!  I  thought you were coming up to Chico to catch some shad this weekend!  I’ve went out to the river Thursday  and  Friday nights to look for you — no Larry. Oh well.  Nothing lost.  Mike only caught 20 something shad on Thursday night, while I only caught in the teens… Friday was slower — I only caught 4 shad in the 45 minutes before darkness fell.  Some damned striper fisherman was hogging my hotspot fishing for them dumb critters, so I didn’t get as many  shad as I could have. He managed to catch a  13 inch rainbow on a striper hook with a piece of anchovy.  But no stripers.  Weirdest thing I ever saw.  (Well, not quite.) — Jim McElroy Calif. State Univ., Chico

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I had a boss once who was fond of saying you don’t catch any fish unless you have a line in the water.  The older I get, the wiser he sounds.

He sounds pretty stupid to me.  You better have a lure or a hook and bait out there too.   Been plenty of times when all I had was a line in  the water and I never got a fish, not once. — Jim McElroy Calif. State Univ., Chico

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  I want to know if there are any good flyfishing at good prices in Montana, Idaho, Orgen, and my state Washington.

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HI. i was just going to leave a message to the whole newsgroug about Montana Fly  Fishing at my Dude Ranch Hawley Mountain  near McLeod, Mt on the Boulder River. You can call 406-932-5791 or E-Mail me your address and I ll send you a Brochure. See my Message under GONE FISHING TO MONTANA. BBlewett

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello,    I don’t know if anyone out there suffers from the same complex as I,  but i have become a lure collector rather than a versitile fisherman. I have filled multiple tackle boxes that are so big that  it is a major procedure to go for a simple pond fishing outing. I bring my 30 pound ( I have a lure for every situation) tackle box where ever I go. Well, this Christmas I received a fanny pack fishing box. For hours I have sorted and contemplated which lures and tackle should be included in my limeted space carrrying pack. Any suggestions? BTW, this fanny pack is great! Pockets galour. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Note: I open water fly fish, bass fish and fish for crappy when the bass aren’t hitting. Thanks, Paul              

I use the fanny pack method myself when bank fishing local lakes, ponds, and rivers.  It beats hell out of luggin around a heavy tackle box.  My fanny pack is not specifically designed for fishing, it’s just a square shaped pack that’s big enough to hold a couple of Plano Mini-Magmum boxes or a few zip-lock bags of Power Worms/Lizards/Grubs.  It has a smaller pocket for a hook remover or stringer (if I happen to catch one I want to keep  I have my Gerber Multi-Plers on the pack’s belt with a safety lanyard in case I drop them. What I do is load my fanny pack for each trip depending on what I’m fishing for and what tackle I’m using.  If I’m wormin’, I put in a few bags of worms and/or lizards and a Mini-Magnum with worm hooks, sinkers, beads, swivels, etc.  I also usually throw in a buzz bait, in case the mood strikes. I suggest you try this method.  Use your big tackle boxes to store the stuff, and, when you are getting ready to go fishing, pick out what you want to use for the day and put that in the fanny pack.  You can take a tackle box along and leave it in the car in case you loose something or if you find out they’re hitting something else that day. If you’re boat fishing, you can take a big box and leave the fanny pack at home if you want. I’m working on a way to carry a second rod & reel without tying up my other hand so I can switch easily between bait casting and spinning.  I’ll let you know on this newsgroup when I come up with a good method. Richard

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: : Hello, :  I don’t know if anyone out there suffers from the same complex as I, :  but i have become a lure collector rather than a versitile fisherman. I have : filled multiple tackle boxes that are so big that  it is a major procedure to : go : for a simple pond fishing outing. I bring my 30 pound ( I have a lure for : every : situation) tackle box where ever I go. Well, this Christmas I received a : fanny : pack fishing box. For hours I have sorted and contemplated which lures and : tackle should be included in my limeted space carrrying pack. Any : suggestions? : BTW, this fanny pack is great! Pockets galour. : Any advice would be greatly appreciated. : Note: I open water fly fish, bass fish and fish for crappy when the bass : aren’t : hitting. : Thanks, : Paul             : I use the fanny pack method myself when bank fishing local lakes, ponds, and : rivers.  It beats hell out of luggin around a heavy tackle box.  My fanny pack : is not specifically designed for fishing, it’s just a square shaped pack that’s : big enough to hold a couple of Plano Mini-Magmum boxes or a few zip-lock bags : of Power Worms/Lizards/Grubs.  It has a smaller pocket for a hook remover or : stringer (if I happen to catch one I want to keep  I have my Gerber : Multi-Plers on the pack’s belt with a safety lanyard in case I drop them. : What I do is load my fanny pack for each trip depending on what I’m fishing for : and what tackle I’m using.  If I’m wormin’, I put in a few bags of worms and/or : lizards and a Mini-Magnum with worm hooks, sinkers, beads, swivels, etc.  I : also usually throw in a buzz bait, in case the mood strikes. : I suggest you try this method.  Use your big tackle boxes to store the stuff, : and, when you are getting ready to go fishing, pick out what you want to use : for the day and put that in the fanny pack.  You can take a tackle box along : and leave it in the car in case you loose something or if you find out : they’re hitting something else that day. : If you’re boat fishing, you can take a big box and leave the fanny pack at home : if you want. : I’m working on a way to carry a second rod & reel without tying up my other : hand so I can switch easily between bait casting and spinning.  I’ll let you : know on this newsgroup when I come up with a good method. : Richard Rubber worms, a couple of spoons, a pack of perch hooks, several weighted head hooks (texas rig), couple a’ packs of hooks of various sizes, plastic minnows, a crank bait, and a spinner or two.  If you can’t find something they’ll bite on in that bunch, they ain’t bitin’.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello,    I don’t know if anyone out there suffers from the same complex as I, but i have become a lure collector rather than a versitile fisherman. I have filled multiple tackle boxes that are so big that  it is a major procedure to go for a simple pond fishing outing. I bring my 30 pound ( I have a lure for every situation) tackle box where ever I go. Well, this Christmas I received a fanny pack fishing box. For hours I have sorted and contemplated which lures and tackle should be included in my limeted space carrrying pack. Any suggestions? BTW, this fanny pack is great! Pockets galour. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Note: I open water fly fish, bass fish and fish for crappy when the bass aren’t hitting. Thanks, Paul                I wholeheartedly would take a Rapala minnow(s) (rainbow trout or

black/silver or black/gold) with me. They work great on top and as a shallow crankbait. Big bream love the smaller size, too. Also take a jointed minnow. And you can’t go wrong with a spinnerbait or two (one yellow and one blue/black)  good luck, –   JASON

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Could someone post a primer on steelhead fishing on the Lake Ontario Tributaries?  Where, what flys, what other types of bait/rig are used (not that I would use anything but a fly, but I have an 8 year old who dreams of landing a big fish and he spins), how to work the fly and the stream.  I’ve read that they haven’t yet come in but we are waiting none too patiently.  Thanks in advance. — Jeffrey D. Morris Applied Math and Statistics Kodak Research Labs Rochester, NY 14650-2205

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Could someone post a primer on steelhead fishing on the Lake Ontario Tributaries?  Where, what flys, what other types of bait/rig are used (not that I would use anything but a fly, but I have an 8 year old who dreams of landing a big fish and he spins), how to work the fly and the stream.  I’ve read that they haven’t yet come in but we are waiting none too patiently.  Thanks in advance. — Jeffrey D. Morris Applied Math and Statistics Kodak Research Labs Rochester, NY 14650-2205

        I believe most people use a roe sac with a bobber and just drift it downstream. Flyfishing is not something I would recommend if the fish are running. Any stream with a hint of movement is covered with anglers crowded almost shoulder to shoulder. If the fish are not in season and you are hoping to pick up stragglers you might be better off.  Most of the flyfishermen I have talked to in the area find that larger bucktails seem to work better than most. keep the hook sharp and the tip up

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Lafleur) writes:

Extreme crowded conditions are the norm during the king salmon runs of September-October.  Steelhead enter the tribs from mid-Oct. all the way until April.  The Salmon River in Pulaski NY is often crowded but if you arrive on a weekday there are most certainly places to fish.  The lower few miles of the river is a private  pay to fish section ($10 weekdays, $15 weekends) and only a a certain number of people are allowed on this property each day.  Overall, the crowds are not bad after the salmon runs are over.  The best bait rig to use is a small salmon egg sac on a #6-10 egg hook dead drifted on bottom using very light line (2-8lb) and a long (9-12 foot) limber rod, called noodle rods around here.  The best fly patterns this time of year are anything that looks like a salmon egg in sizes #6-10 (ex. glow bugs, yarn flies, ect…).  The best colors are usually chartreuse, orange, and a combination of chart. and blue (yup I said blue). These should be fished on a 9-11 ft. rod (slow action preferred), and 2-5x tippets.  The Salmon River is deep and fast, several flyfishers in the area have developed a technique in which 2-4 weight floating lines are used in order to decrease drag caused by heavier lines.  I have not graduated to this level and still use 5-7 weight floating lines.  You will need lots of lead, especially if the waters up, I would suggest purchasing what are called slinky sinkers.  They dont snag on bottom nearly as much as regular split shot and will save you lots of time and money.  Casting with lots  of lead on your line ain’t easy, but it is the only way to get to the fish on some days (we call the casting technique the "chuck and duck"). Hope this was helpfull.                                   Mark Arrigo                                  SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry                                   Syracuse NY 13210

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