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The panga fishing is much more fun for flyfishing.  Cruisers are for offshore marlin and such.  We went with Beto Nunez on Pangas a couple months ago and had a grand time with Sierra Mackeral.  I used my 10wt becuase it could cast farther. This time of year the roosterfish should be available.  You’ll want the 10wt and lots of backing for these guys. They’re good folks who speak English and catch fish. Chas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Group! This message is also crossposted to rec.outdoors.fishing, and rec.outdoors.fishing.fly I’m headed to Los Cabos for a few days in early June with my brothers. Of the three attending, none are really fishermen. What would be a good experience for them- catching fish but not necessarily spending all day ion a boat offshore? Now for me: Can anyone define the experiences of  panga vs. cruiser? How’s the inshore fishing? Should I take along a 10 wt? Would it do me any good? I like to catch fish, they don’t necessarily have to monsters, in fact I prefer a light tackle for spirited light fish rather than cranking a coffee can with a behemoth  attached 10 miles out- although I enjoy that as well. That said, I know marlin and billfish are the real sportsmen’s game in Cabo – what else completes the Cabo fishing experience? We really only have two full days, so any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks Cow

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Hi Group! This message is also crossposted to rec.outdoors.fishing, and rec.outdoors.fishing.fly I’m headed to Los Cabos for a few days in early June with my brothers. Of the three attending, none are really fishermen. What would be a good experience for them- catching fish but not necessarily spending all day ion a boat offshore? Now for me: Can anyone define the experiences of  panga vs. cruiser? How’s the inshore fishing? Should I take along a 10 wt? Would it do me any good? I like to catch fish, they don’t necessarily have to monsters, in fact I prefer a light tackle for spirited light fish rather than cranking a coffee can with a behemoth  attached 10 miles out- although I enjoy that as well. That said, I know marlin and billfish are the real sportsmen’s game in Cabo – what else completes the Cabo fishing experience? We really only have two full days, so any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks Cow

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I’ve been to East Cape, 3 times and have only used the super pangos because they have a canvas top and room for 2 fishermen. You’ll fry in the heat without a top. A lot depends on your guide, they all seem to want to fish for marlin, it’s the macho thing plus they like to sell the meat. I release mine. By the way, I haven’t fly fished there. I prefer to fish for dorado (dolphin) and I think it would be a blast to fish for them with a fly rod, but I haven’t been back since I took up fly fishing. I’ve caught rooster fish using bait and fishing deep. In the morning you can see them working bait fish in the surf, you might be able to do a little shore fishing for them. I tried with rubber lures and the needle fish tore them up on every cast. I don’t know how a fly would hold up. Your friends could stay on shore and get drunk, play in the pool, if your hotel has one, and snorkel. East Cape is more remote than Cabo with only fish camps and no shopping. Ron

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Group! This message is also crossposted to rec.outdoors.fishing, and rec.outdoors.fishing.fly I’m headed to Los Cabos for a few days in early June with my brothers. Of the three attending, none are really fishermen. What would be a good experience for them- catching fish but not necessarily spending all day ion a boat offshore? Now for me: Can anyone define the experiences of  panga vs. cruiser? How’s the inshore fishing? Should I take along a 10 wt? Would it do me any good? I like to catch fish, they don’t necessarily have to monsters, in fact I prefer a light tackle for spirited light fish rather than cranking a coffee can with a behemoth  attached 10 miles out- although I enjoy that as well. That said, I know marlin and billfish are the real sportsmen’s game in Cabo – what else completes the Cabo fishing experience? We really only have two full days, so any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks Cow

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Golf the Nicklaus coures. Go to the Giggling Marlin. Get a taco from one of the little places. Go to The Office and sit outside for happy hour. Huge fried shrimp and a bucket of cold ones to go with amazing scenery on many levels.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Group! This message is also crossposted to rec.outdoors.fishing, and rec.outdoors.fishing.fly I’m headed to Los Cabos for a few days in early June with my brothers. Of the three attending, none are really fishermen. What would be a good experience for them- catching fish but not necessarily spending all day ion a boat offshore? Now for me: Can anyone define the experiences of  panga vs. cruiser? How’s the inshore fishing? Should I take along a 10 wt? Would it do me any good? I like to catch fish, they don’t necessarily have to monsters, in fact I prefer a light tackle for spirited light fish rather than cranking a coffee can with a behemoth  attached 10 miles out- although I enjoy that as well. That said, I know marlin and billfish are the real sportsmen’s game in Cabo – what else completes the Cabo fishing experience? We really only have two full days, so any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks Cow

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My friends on FF at are trying to describe a clave  to folks in NZ. Thought you might enjoy although I recognize no Roffians there V Lets be frank Richard American clave fishing is a misnomer.

        i love the smell of envy in the morning…         wayno, the first clavemeister

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My friends on FF at are trying to describe a clave  to folks in NZ. Thought you might enjoy although I recognize no Roffians there V Lets be frank Richard American clave fishing is a misnomer.  I have yet to see a decent fish on post Clave website photo opportunity postings, By decent I mean anything over 3 inches. Lots of shots of folk enjoying themselves eating & drinking & telling lies. In various stages of unshaven dishevelment. & thats just the mud wrestlers (I withdraw yr honour) But not fish in hand. Nor are there multitudinous tales of C&R. Which leads me to believe that any fishing is an accidental byproduct of the weekend.  - There appear to be 2 styles of American Clave fishing when a misguided attempt is made to put fly on or in water  - The raft hunt.  - The gang fish. The Raft Hunt The former arises because, for some unknown reason, many claves are scheduled to coincide with college holidays. The end result is that the occasional aberrant Clavee that actually crawls to the water , rod in hand, post stomach pump, post detox, post the shock of the early morning visit by the chicken skin toupee’d or the stuffed pig  - usually casts to a river full of tubing & rafting pissed as a rat students. No fish about mind you, but lots of movement on the river. Once it is known that the hills & waters are alive with rafters & tubers & other alcoholics, the scene then degenerates into the pissed as a rat clavees pulling their deckchairs or Motahomes up on the river bank &  cans in hands, (22 in the cooler  underneath the seat), they spend many happy hours yelling encouragement to the passing tubers & rafters. Many of whom are minimally clad. Particularly the female ones. Which brings out the best in male Clavees. Hence their  boisterous but friendly exhortations to – "Get yr gear off!!" Such is the elegance  and sophistication of American clave fishing. Gang fishing The other, more pernicious style, is known as the gang fish. Of this I have seen evidence on the Internet. Photos of a Canadian angler midstream wielding a blotched & overused purple rod with fish drawings on the butt, attempting delicate dry fly placement whilst 15 Clavees in various stages of intoxication or food poisoning stand on the bank & offer advice. Loudly. Some also chunder for him.  & as he stands midstream he is no doubt hoping that if they must that at least they  divest themselves downstream of his 3 wt elegant efforts as opposed to creating an upstream tide of Ball Buster, which he knows, just knows in his heart, will dissolve his waders should he be unfortunate enough to be caught in the flow. "There it is ", they  scream, jumping up and down on the bank in excitement pointing to a small twig stuck on the bottom of the waters. "No, no, cast closer into the tree!!"  they exhort & so it goes on. Now is this fair  to the fish? Is it fair to the angler? What chance does he have with 15 experts with a bell curve distribution of states of intoxication offering advice. In very loud voices. That make the ground tremble & the trees sway. But they are wearing the T shirt. So its ok. Usually it prevails until one of the happily pissed falls into the water & discovers that the fish have long since departed. At which juncture the tribe repairs to the campsite to consume more Ball Buster & Bourbon by way of commiseration with fishless purple rod. Now, I have missed out Socialising as a stand alone topic, but I trust you will agree with me that an American Clave is merely an excuse for participants to socialise to the max. & I think this is a good thing. It is de facto fish conservation. & there is a lot of this because Claves have a habit of attracting rain. So attendees get to huddle together for comfort & what can one do in those circumstances but eat, drink & tell lies.  Outrageous untruths. Veritable supercharged bull dust. All about fishing None of which is actually undertaken. In fact most, if not all Clavees would not even notice if they left their rods at home.<g GS NZ We seem to be missing the women who bring their own batteries in case sex is needed. Indfian Joe

OMG — this is hilarious!!  Thanks — you made my day!! Sandy

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I’ve been away from the vise for a while, & I must be getting rusty.   Tied two flies today & snipped off my tying thread three times.   I hate when that happens.  :-) Joe F.

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I’ve been away from the vise for a while, & I must be getting rusty.   Tied two flies today & snipped off my tying thread three times.   I hate when that happens.  :-) Joe F.

Greetings:   Well Joe, you’re not alone.  Every Fall, around November or so when I start spending more time indoors, it takes me a while to get back "into it."  I’m a total fumblefingers.  Just out of habit, I usually tie flys by the dozen.  So for example if I tie a dozen #14 Adams, I end up throwing two or three away in disgust.  After a few sessions at the bench, I seem to get over it (thankfully!) I snip off the tying thread, I snip off the wings, I poke myself when I reach up to grab the beer and the scissors are still in my hand – (I tell ya’ it’s a good thing I have to wear glasses when tying now days!)  :-/   What helps me a little is to tie the larger and simpler patterns I need first, then move on the small and more complex ones as I get "warmed up" again.  Lastly, when I’ve got everything I _think_ I need tied up for the coming season, I experiment with new patterns.   Of course, it’s not _just_ the tying skills that need refreshing, rather it’s the combination of related, simultaneous activities.  In my case, those include one or more of the following: 1)    Drinking beer 2)    Watching sporting events with one eye. 3)    Petting the lap cat (who remains blissfully unaware of how dangerous I can       be with a small pair of small sharp scissors on my fingers!)   Bottom Line:  Multi-tasking can be both messy and dangerous.  Happy tying season.   Cheers,  -Mark

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I’ve been away from the vise for a while, & I must be getting rusty.   Tied two flies today & snipped off my tying thread three times.   I hate when that happens.  :-)

Use a sharp single-edge razor instead of scissors and that’ll happen a lot less…

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My friends on FF at are trying to describe a clave  to folks in NZ. Thought you might enjoy although I recognize no Roffians there V Lets be frank Richard American clave fishing is a misnomer.  I have yet to see a decent fish on post Clave website photo opportunity postings, By decent I mean anything over 3 inches. Lots of shots of folk enjoying themselves eating & drinking & telling lies. In various stages of unshaven dishevelment. & thats just the mud wrestlers (I withdraw yr honour) But not fish in hand. Nor are there multitudinous tales of C&R. Which leads me to believe that any fishing is an accidental byproduct of the weekend.  - There appear to be 2 styles of American Clave fishing when a misguided attempt is made to put fly on or in water  - The raft hunt.  - The gang fish. The Raft Hunt The former arises because, for some unknown reason, many claves are scheduled to coincide with college holidays. The end result is that the occasional aberrant Clavee that actually crawls to the water , rod in hand, post stomach pump, post detox, post the shock of the early morning visit by the chicken skin toupee’d or the stuffed pig  - usually casts to a river full of tubing & rafting pissed as a rat students. No fish about mind you, but lots of movement on the river. Once it is known that the hills & waters are alive with rafters & tubers & other alcoholics, the scene then degenerates into the pissed as a rat clavees pulling their deckchairs or Motahomes up on the river bank &  cans in hands, (22 in the cooler  underneath the seat), they spend many happy hours yelling encouragement to the passing tubers & rafters. Many of whom are minimally clad. Particularly the female ones. Which brings out the best in male Clavees. Hence their  boisterous but friendly exhortations to – "Get yr gear off!!" Such is the elegance  and sophistication of American clave fishing. Gang fishing The other, more pernicious style, is known as the gang fish. Of this I have seen evidence on the Internet. Photos of a Canadian angler midstream wielding a blotched & overused  purple rod with fish drawings on the butt, attempting delicate dry fly placement whilst 15 Clavees in various stages of intoxication or food poisoning stand on the bank & offer advice. Loudly. Some also chunder for him.  & as he stands midstream he is no doubt hoping that if they must that at least they  divest themselves downstream of his 3 wt elegant efforts as opposed to creating an upstream tide of Ball Buster, which he knows, just knows in his heart, will dissolve his waders should he be unfortunate enough to be caught in the flow. "There it is ", they  scream, jumping up and down on the bank in excitement pointing to a small twig stuck on the bottom of the waters. "No, no, cast closer into the tree!!"  they exhort & so it goes on. Now is this fair  to the fish? Is it fair to the angler? What chance does he have with 15 experts with a bell curve distribution of states of intoxication offering advice. In very loud voices. That make the ground tremble & the trees sway. But they are wearing the T shirt. So its ok. Usually it prevails until one of the happily pissed falls into the water & discovers that the fish have long since departed. At which juncture the tribe repairs to the campsite to consume more Ball Buster & Bourbon by way of commiseration with fishless purple rod. Now, I have missed out Socialising as a stand alone topic, but I trust you will agree with me that an American Clave is merely an excuse for participants to socialise to the max. & I think this is a good thing. It is de facto fish conservation. & there is a lot of this because Claves have a habit of attracting rain. So attendees get to huddle together for comfort & what can one do in those circumstances but eat, drink & tell lies.  Outrageous untruths. Veritable supercharged bull dust. All about fishing None of which is actually undertaken. In fact most, if not all Clavees would not even notice if they left their rods at home.<g GS NZ We seem to be missing the women who bring their own batteries in case sex is needed. Indfian Joe

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I’ll be in Sydney the end of Feb and should be able to manage at least one free day for fishing. I’ll be staying by Sydney Harbour near the Convention center. Any suggestions on where to go and what equipment to bring? Thanks. — Charlie…

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You might try this link, should give you all the info required. One of the members ( John Knight? ) used to subscribe here, perhaps he is still around? http://www.sydneyflyrodders.com.au/index.html TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be in Sydney the end of Feb and should be able to manage at least one free day for fishing. I’ll be staying by Sydney Harbour near the Convention center. Any suggestions on where to go and what equipment to bring? Thanks. — Charlie…

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You might try this link, should give you all the info required. One of the members ( John Knight? ) used to subscribe here, perhaps he is still around? http://www.sydneyflyrodders.com.au/index.html

Thanks, I did look there first. Not knowing the area, some of the places could be 30 minutes or 30 days away from where I will be<g. I do recall John but haven’t seen him post in a while. — Charlie…

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Perfectly true, I also started with a seven weight rod. Far too heavy for most things I do, but I had no choice at the time, and was completely uninformed in any case.  I do feel that people tend to divorce the equipment from the intended purpose too much.  It may well be easier for a beginner to cast with a nine foot six weight rod and a weight forward line, but this is rarely the optimum equipment for actually fishing. If possible for stream fishing, I would probably choose a four weight about eight feet in length, if I was restricted to one rod. This offers delicacy and lightness, which are more conducive to stealthy fishing. I have several six weight rods, and although I do use them occasionally, I have not used them for stream fishing for a long time, they are just too heavy. This is not to say that they can not be used, but for me the experience is enhanced by the use of light delicate equipment which is suited to the job at hand. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de This is not directly about rod choice, but indirectly it is.  Especially

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This is not directly about rod choice, but indirectly it is.  Especially for someone fishing small to medium sizes streams and rivers for trout, distance casting is not as important as the ability to place a short cast where you want it and in a relatively delicate, controlled manner. When trying out a new rod, the natural inclination seems to be to see how long of a cast you can make with the rod.  The fact is most of your fishing is going to be on casts thirty feet or less. The rod that is best for belting a cast may not be the best for you at close distances.   Based on my definition of a small to medium stream or river, I would recommend a four or five weight to start. I started with a six weight but now find it is either too heavy or too light for most fishing. It is my least used rod. For me, control in close is easier with a moderate or slower action rod. Willi

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 I would start with an 8 1/2′ five weight. You can fish almost any water with that size rod and fish it comfortably.

….a rod like this one Wayne?    john http://www.ezflyfish.com/grfoutfits.html

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….a rod like this one Wayne?    john http://www.ezflyfish.com/grfoutfits.html

Tis what I started with. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas

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As an instructor (ahem) I find that most of my adult male clients prefer a fast actioned 9′0 5/6wt rod. Floating line (because of its bright colour) is usually easier to see – and I reckon for a beginner FF is an extremely visual sport. Ladies seem prefer a lighter rod to start with. Around 8′0 and 4/5 wt is ideal. Not meaning to be sexist but I find that the ladies don’t like to wave a heavier rod around for too long. The longer you can keep the rod in their hands, the easier it is to keep them interested. Kids up to the age of 10ish or 11ish go for the shorter rods – 7′6" 3/4 wts. They understand that you don’t have to cast too far out to catch a fish. I spent an interesting weekend watching a 5 year old cast tighter (and further) loops on his 2/3wt 7′0 rod than most adults could. Allways fast actioned is the secret though in my opinion. Most beginners hava a tendency to false cast too rapidly, which can be a problem on slow rods. Ari Ari Bert                                        Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903                             +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230                             Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                       Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za                                Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa

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With all the manufacturers to choose from, I can sure use some assistance. I’ve  read all kinds of interesting things about what to purchase. Here’s what I’mlooking for. I fish small to medium sized streams for trout. I read that an 8′6wt is a perfect first setup. I also read that if you’re over 5′8, buy 8.5′rod and under 5′8 buy a 7.5 rod. All advise a slow to med action rod.

First off, forget that height to rod length crap unless you’re 10 years old. Myth Second, While I personally beleive a slow-medium action rod is a better rod, until you have a casting stroke it is a moot point. There are some people who say a fast action rod is a better rod to learn to fish on. Third, eventually several folks will ring in suggesting everything from a Cabelas to a top of the line Sage, In your price range there are several good rod and reel combos available from many makers. But each rod is a little different and each will require an adjustment from the fisherman. What might be a good rod to your buddy or one of us could be a poor tool for you. I would ignore and stay away from the Cabelas and the Bass Pro’s unless you are near one of the stores, because one, I have a minority view that they are pieces of crap and secondly read the next paragraph. I believe the best way to learn to fly fish is to obtain lessons from someone, while some colleges and clubs offer lessons, and some folks can even learn from video, the place you are going to get the most help initially is probably your local fly shop. If you must, buy your third and fourth, etc (its’ a disease I own some 30+ rods and reels)from the mail houses, but to start use a local dealer, have them give you the basic lessons in how to get started, (many schools or shops with lessons supply the equipment), try as many rods as you can once you get the basic stroke down and then decide what fits your needs and your style. You can save yourself a big headache later. I’ve been eyeing the Orvis Clearwater and the St. Crouix Pro- graphite.

About 6 years ago, St. Croix rods had a breakage problem, but they have a good following, Orvis speaks for itself. Also look at Reddington, Scott Alpha, Sage Discovery, T&T Emerger and Courtland among others. I would start with an 8 1/2′ five weight. You can fish almost any water with that size rod and fish it comfortably. – Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas

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With all the manufacturers to choose from, I can sure use some assistance. I’ve read all kinds of interesting things about what to purchase. Here’s what I’m looking for. I fish small to medium sized streams for trout. I read that an 8′ / 6wt is a perfect first setup. I also read that if you’re over 5′8, buy 8.5′ rod and under 5′8 buy a 7.5 rod. All advise a slow to med action rod.

An 8′ 6wt??? Really? How big is "medium sized" for crying out loud? To me, small stream means there are certain sections I can jump across. Medium means I can’t jump across, but I can wade across just about anywhere. Large means, well, I have no idea what "large stream" means Regardless, unless you’re planning to fish exclusively with streamers or very-heavily-weighted nymphs, a 4wt or a 5wt would be better. In fact, based on *my* definitions of small and medium, I prefer something on the order of a 7.5′ 3wt or 4wt. –Steve

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With all the manufacturers to choose from, I can sure use some assistance. I’ve read all kinds of interesting things about what to purchase. Here’s what I’m looking for. I fish small to medium sized streams for trout. I read that an 8′ / 6wt is a perfect first setup. I also read that if you’re over 5′8, buy 8.5′ rod and under 5′8 buy a 7.5 rod. All advise a slow to med action rod. I’ve been eyeing the Orvis Clearwater and the St. Crouix Pro-graphite. I’m looking to spend around $200 for rod/reel combo. Since this is my first fly outfit, any advise on what to look at would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Not to knock them, but they have a lower apeal after so many of them.

A real fish for once!   One day you too, will come to love those "Unreal Fish"  What a great morning to be alive!  Bruce Congratulations jim

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<snip a great story The second cast found the blues scattering violently as a dork figure surged from under the moss toward the cricket.

This is just begging for a joke. Nice story Qwezy.

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Finally got the bugger landed….my very first smallmouth bass (I think!) on a fly.  

It had to be a Largemouth. Well done. I’m far from a bass expert, but if I were you I’d try some poppers and other surface lures that are large enough that the bluegill can’t take them. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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as a dork figure surged from under the moss toward the cricket. This is just begging for a joke.

Well, hell…..that explains all the trouble with my casting today!  If I would Bruce

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Nice story QwezyR.  Thanks for providing the imagery that my day lacked and my mind desperately needed. Had to remember the posts about pulling back too hard on the line and/or pole…only an inch needed to anchor the hook

  One suggestion though, try using a fly rod instead of a pole when fly fishing.  You can cast a lot better with a fly rod than a pole.  HTH? Warren X#-[

Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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Finally got the bugger landed….my very first smallmouth bass (I think!) on a fly.  

Congrats— But it was a largemouth…….As far as I know there are no smallmouths in the Orlando area, and unless there are some in the panhandle I don’t know about, none in Florida! Lloyd Heilbrunn Palm Beach Gardens, FL.

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I’ve been learning this fly fishing craft for about a year now…with little chance to catch anything other than bluegill.  Not to knock them, but they have a lower apeal after so many of them.  That all changed today for me.  Picture, A stereotypical lazy, dark, Oak/Spanish moss covered central Florida stream…black water, moss on the banks, other aquatic vegitation here and there, black, still waters.  My newfound favorite hole for the time being. Been stalking whatever may be in there for a couple weks now.  Even learned the value of not stepping on the resident gator’s favorite hole.  On my K-mart trip this week for diapers, I got the urge to pick up some new flies.  A nice box of terrestrials looked enticing. Armed with my newfound cricket, I approached a shallow cove in the stream, dark waters broken slightly by shafts of light through the oaks.  The first cast across the stream to the opposite bank of moss with the cricket drew some attention of the bluegills….no bite.  The second cast found the blues scattering violently as a dork figure surged from under the moss toward the cricket.  This is it, I thought….the moment for which I’ve been lurking in this news group…all the lessons and thoughts of others culminating in this one dark fugure heading to my fly.  BAM!!!!!!  Much harder strike than any bluegill I ever had on the line!  Had to remember the posts about pulling back too hard on the line and/or pole…only an inch needed to anchor the hook.  And off on a fun ride we went!  THIS is what it’s all about, I thought for the couple minutes I played the fish, hoping I don’t lose my first real one. Finally got the bugger landed….my very first smallmouth bass (I think!) on a fly.  About 10-12 inches long (I have no idea how much that size would weigh) God, how exhilerating.  A real fish for once!  I remembered my vow to keep and grill the first real fish I ever caught on that rod…and thought again, "No…I’ll meet you again, little fishy!  Maybe next time, but thanks for the fun today!" What a great morning to be alive! Bruce

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I really like AMERICAN FLY TYING MANUAL, by Dave Hughes, l986 originally, pub. by Frank Amato Publications, (PH# 503-653-8108), outstanding color photos of nearly 300 patterns, with full description of materials used and some info on how to tie them.  I bought  my copy several years ago at GI Joes store in Portland, Oregon. Good Luck!

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http://www.kbrcomm.com/btwc/flytyingbooks.html It is a great resource. But does anybody know who stocks the binder version at a discount? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<I’d like to find a good book that has good color  pictures of the different fly patterns commonly used in the West.  What are your recommendations? "Fly Patterns of Umpqua Feather Merchants" by Randall Kaufmann. Get the ring binder version — it lies flat.  I do not like the way the fly patterns are displayed – alphabetically, rather than by type, (i.e. caddis, mayfly, stonefly, etc.) but the photos are excellent. Dave LaCourse

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I’d like to find a good book that has good color  pictures of the different fly patterns commonly used in the West.  What are your recommendations? I’ve been fly fishing a very short time and still have diffculty recognizing the different patterns.  So, when I go into a shop and see that pattern x is hot, I don’t know what it looks like, or if I already have some.

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<<I’d like to find a good book that has good color  pictures of the different fly patterns commonly used in the West.  What are your recommendations? "Fly Patterns of Umpqua Feather Merchants" by Randall Kaufmann. Get the ring binder version — it lies flat.  I do not like the way the fly patterns are displayed – alphabetically, rather than by type, (i.e. caddis, mayfly, stonefly, etc.) but the photos are excellent. Dave LaCourse

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Hi: Wasn’t able to make my Belize trip this spring and I’m affraid of the variable weather conditions in the Fall, so I’m thinking about Christmas Is.  I like Belize because of the opportunity to catch various species and the Belize River Lodge guides fish you to death, but I’ve never wade fished and they do say one should go to CI before they die.  What kind of weather conditions can one expect between September and November??? Thanks, Adam

It fishes well 12 months of the year and is 100% wading for bones. The Bahamas, Ascension Bay in Mexico,  Turneffe Flats in Belize and Los Roques in Venezuela are also great bonefish destinations. Belize River Lodge has some of the best tarpon fishing in Central America and also has 3 big boats to take you down south for permit. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Hi: Wasn’t able to make my Belize trip this spring and I’m affraid of the variable weather conditions in the Fall, so I’m thinking about Christmas Is.  I like Belize because of the opportunity to catch various species and the Belize River Lodge guides fish you to death, but I’ve never wade fished and they do say one should go to CI before they die.  What kind of weather conditions can one expect between September and November??? Thanks, Adam

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The guys at Marriott’s Shop in Fullerton have had some advice on So.Cal. saltwater chances in the past.  Their telephone is 714-525-1827.  Address is 2700 West Orangethorpe.Last time I was in there they had a stack of orange and grey flies designed to immitate some sort of surf crab.  They will also, of course, recommend King Harbor. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am interested in saltwater fly fishing in the Los Angeles and Santa Barbara area in early March.  Are there stripers in the aqeduct and how does one get access?  Is there any beach fishing and wading?  What fish and what flies.  Thanks King Harbor at Redondo Beach can be good at that time.  Rent a skiff from Rocky Point marine and throw deceivers or other anchovy-like flies on fast sinking shooting heads for bonito and calico bass.  Let me know if you need more info. John Woodling Sacramento, CA

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While we are at salt water fly fishing, what is a salt water fly like? I have some idea of fresh water fly fishing, but knows absolutely nothing about salt water fly fishing.  Obviously, at least seems to me, something like the little fresh water flies will not attract too many fish, at least nothing big.  If you do use something bigger or heavier, then you can’t really call it a fly any more, can you?  Do you still use a fly reel?  I am not a fly fisherman, but I am interested in any kind of fishing, just haven’t gotten to fly fishing yet. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -King Harbor at Redondo Beach can be good at that time.  Rent a skiff from Rocky Point marine and throw deceivers or other anchovy-like flies on fast sinking shooting heads for bonito and calico bass.  Let me know if you need more info. John Woodling Sacramento, CA

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I am interested in saltwater fly fishing in the Los Angeles and Santa Barbara area in early March.  Are there stripers in the aqeduct and how does one get access?  Is there any beach fishing and wading?  What fish and what flies.  Thanks

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I am interested in saltwater fly fishing in the Los Angeles and Santa Barbara area in early March.  Are there stripers in the aqeduct and how does one get access?  Is there any beach fishing and wading?  What fish and what flies.  Thanks

King Harbor at Redondo Beach can be good at that time.  Rent a skiff from Rocky Point marine and throw deceivers or other anchovy-like flies on fast sinking shooting heads for bonito and calico bass.  Let me know if you need more info. John Woodling Sacramento, CA

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Keywords: Chile or Peru Hot Spots Re:Fly Fisihing in Peru or Chile. I am going to these countries next week and would like to do some fly fishing.  Anyone know of som hot spots?

I have a good friend in Santiago, Chile who owns a store called Fly Shop Ltda. He has many contacts with different fishing camps and lodges throughout Chile.  The best thing is to send him a fax with any questions or request and he will respond promptly.   Gonzalo Cortes de la Cerda Av. Manquehue Norte 1260 Santiago Chile Phone Fax  011-56-2-2018571   Good Luck!! Chile is a Great Place!!                       Marcos Vergara                       Fly & Field, Inc.                       1-800-328-9753

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Re:Fly Fisihing in Peru or Chile. I am going to these countries next week and would like to do some fly fishing.  Anyone know of som hot spots?

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I am trying to answer the following fishing facts, that maybe some of you have the answers to: 1.      What is the current world record for King Salmon? Where was it caught and when? 2.      What is the current world record for Rainbow Trout and when was it caught? 3.      The Rainbow Trout world record used to be something like 42 lbs from Lake Pend Oreille. If that record does not still hold, what were the details surrounding that old record? If you know any of these, please e-mail to *                                                                       * * "Sedulously eschew obfuscatory hyperverbosity or prolixity."          *

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1.     What is the current world record for King Salmon? Where was it caught and when?  97 1/4 lbs, 1986.  This was in an article in this month’s Salmon, Trout,  and Steelheader magazine.  greg pavlov

…and, caught on the Kenai River, AK.  It was a big second-run king. -tgades

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1.  What is the current world record for King Salmon? Where was it caught and when?

The record sport-caught King was ninety some pounds, caught in Alaska’s Kenai River.  The record commercially-netted king was in excess of 120 lbs, as I recall, caught in the Cook Inlet. Several years ago a sport fisherman on the Kenai tied into what experienced guides believed was a King exceeding 120 lbs.  The guy played it for several days (sic) before it finally broke off.  It was kind of fun to check the newspaper every morning and see how the fight was going. — -Wayne Trzyna

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While where on the record… Does anyone know the flyfishing record for arctic grayling?  I can only find an all tackle record. Thanks, Lynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am trying to answer the following fishing facts, that maybe some of you have the answers to: 1. What is the current world record for King Salmon? Where was it caught and when? 2. What is the current world record for Rainbow Trout and when was it caught? 3. The Rainbow Trout world record used to be something like 42 lbs from Lake Pend Oreille. If that record does not still hold, what were the details surrounding that old record? If you know any of these, please e-mail to *                                                                       * * "Sedulously eschew obfuscatory hyperverbosity or prolixity."          *

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