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Not Bill McNeese, but Dave McNeese.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Adam, The clear intermediate slow sinking tropical lines are designed for fishing in the warm weather out of a boat. I would overline one size larger than your rod size so it will handle those larger flies better. I would use an SA/Mastery "Tarpon" monocore slow sinking clear WF10S on a #9 rod for your trip. I would also do the same thing with a WF10F Mastery "Tarpon" floater for poppers. Or you could put a WF11 on a #10 rod ? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

Hi Marilyn, Your response brought up one more question: My 9 wt is a Sage 3-pc saltwater RPLX (I think, it’s about 6 years old), and I am a reasonable caster, do you still recommend overlining the rod.  I’ve had my rods built by Bill McNeese (steelhead fisherman out of Seattle) and he has always told me to use the same wt line. Regards, Adam

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For that kind of fishing I have been using the intermediate tip lines. made by everybody now and I use Cortland.  Really helps to load the line and when fishing with big streamers is really a help, especially when blind casting all day.

What are the casting qualities of an intermediate tipped line?  Does it hinge?  Do they do well in warm water. Do I have to bring it all the way to the boat.  My concern here is that as I fish the shore, will I be able to pick the line up and get it back to the shore the way one can do it with a floating line (ie, will I be able to keep the distance from the boat to shore relatively constant)?  About how deep will it go, do they have the regular 1-2"/minute sink rates? Thanks, Adam

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Hi Adam, The clear intermediate slow sinking tropical lines are designed for fishing in the warm weather out of a boat. I would overline one size larger than your rod size so it will handle those larger flies better. I would use an SA/Mastery "Tarpon" monocore slow sinking clear WF10S on a #9 rod for your trip. I would also do the same thing with a WF10F Mastery "Tarpon" floater for poppers. Or you could put a WF11 on a #10 rod ? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going to Amazon to fly fish for peacock bass.  It has been suggested to use an intermediate sinking monocore line.  I’ll be casting large, but hopefully not too wind resistant streamers (6-8", made from Kinky Fibre Deceiver type-no feathers and poppers (1/2 to 3/4" closed foam cell heads).  I’ve never used this line and before I get one, I’d like to know the characteristics (pluses and minuses, if you will) of this line when used in warm water and largish flies.  Thanks, Adam —

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Going to Amazon to fly fish for peacock bass.  It has been suggested to use an intermediate sinking monocore line.  I’ll be casting large, but hopefully not too wind resistant streamers (6-8", made from Kinky Fibre Deceiver type-no feathers and poppers (1/2 to 3/4" closed foam cell heads).  I’ve never used this line and before I get one, I’d like to know the characteristics (pluses and minuses, if you will) of this line when used in warm water and largish flies.  Thanks, Adam —

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For that kind of fishing I have been using the intermediate tip lines.   made by everybody now and I use Cortland.  Really helps to load the line and when fishing with big streamers is really a help, especially when blind casting all day. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going to Amazon to fly fish for peacock bass.  It has been suggested to use an intermediate sinking monocore line.  I’ll be casting large, but hopefully not too wind resistant streamers (6-8", made from Kinky Fibre Deceiver type-no feathers and poppers (1/2 to 3/4" closed foam cell heads).  I’ve never used this line and before I get one, I’d like to know the characteristics (pluses and minuses, if you will) of this line when used in warm water and largish flies.  Thanks, Adam —

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How far from the fly should it be? 1.5 times the depth of the area you are fishing.

1.5 is at the low end of where mine seems to end up in slower water.   For faster water, I seem to get closer to 2x to keep the fly from dragging the indicator under.   OTOH, that’s only a guess, since I’m never really that sure how deep the water is in some cases. Joe F.

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1.5 is at the low end of where mine seems to end up in slower water.   For faster water, I seem to get closer to 2x to keep the fly from dragging the indicator under.   OTOH, that’s only a guess, since I’m never really that sure how deep the water is in some cases.

Very true.  Current does matter.  I can’t remember where I read 1.5x, but it did seem like a good estimate of the "average" for most conditions.  I think the biggest key here is getting the flies to the desired depth.   Sometimes using a dry fly as an indicator is much better than using a yarn/foam/cork type indicator because the fish are feeding closer to the surface and you may want to present an adult version with a emerger or nymph trailing below.  Perhaps the best answer would have been "as conditions dictate?" — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have some questions: First is it necessary for the indicator to float all the time if you can see it readily under water? IMO, no. How far from the fly should it be? 1.5 times the depth of the area you are fishing. Somewhere I have seen directions on how to make your own indicator with poly or macram

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The drift IS the presentation.

You took the words right out of my mouth.  Maybe he means the cast?? FiddleAway

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The drift IS the presentation. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

yup, you guys are too sharp. <g and…. dang, them oregon rogues (dead guy ale) last night surely worked their magic on this poboy. –ww

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Substitute "fly selection" for "presentation" and I still say Waldo’s dead on right. At least on the wild streams of NC anyway. –Steve

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The drift IS the presentation. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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…. dang, them oregon rogues (dead guy ale) last night surely worked their magic on this poboy.

I like the 22 ouncers.  You can hang the empties on your belt for ballast.  Makes falling into bed (or somewhere near it anyway) a lot easier. Wolfgang and they glow in the dark!!

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some may argue, pointless and without scope i may respectively add, that the drift is secondary to the presentation. i present, wickedly, that the drift is omnipotent. in scope….. jo jo left his home… (sorry, beatles cd in player) argue.. bitch.. cuss if you feel it necessary…. the drift is the cause, the glory, the prescience. doubt? surely you have observed the subtle twitch, the soft turn, the, the… the take…. on the proper drift. been there…. enuff to be comfortable with this knowledge…. –wataugan walt

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TROLL! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – some may argue, pointless and without scope i may respectively add, that the drift is secondary to the presentation. i present, wickedly, that the drift is omnipotent. in scope….. jo jo left his home… (sorry, beatles cd in player) argue.. bitch.. cuss if you feel it necessary…. the drift is the cause, the glory, the prescience. doubt? surely you have observed the subtle twitch, the soft turn, the, the… the take…. on the proper drift. been there…. enuff to be comfortable with this knowledge…. –wataugan walt

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You are right.  The Drift/Mend are one and the same, or put another way, "The Mend" is part of the cast.  I always mend on every cast even if I’m fishing straight down stream. Trust me.  You don’t want to go there.  For example, when one is fly fishing downstream and they lift their fly rod to drag their fly back upstream, that is the cast and then when they pull the fly a little right or left to align the fly along a current seam and then they lower the rod to start the fly drifting down again, that is the mend. Walter, you have it down cold as I know you are a very savvy fly fisherman All’s Fair With Fur or Feather gg

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some may argue, pointless and without scope i may respectively add, that the drift is secondary to the presentation. i present, wickedly, that the drift is omnipotent.

<SNIP Hopefully somebody got your drift. TL MC

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some may argue, pointless and without scope i may respectively add, that the drift is secondary to the presentation. i present, wickedly, that the drift is omnipotent. <SNIP Hopefully somebody got your drift.

The drift…er, well, he sounds like he in his cups, or at least, under the boardwalk, lusting after a rose in Spanish Harlem….well, as long as he doesn’t go up on the roof…. TC, R …down by the sea….

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The drift IS the presentation. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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some may argue, pointless and without scope i may respectively add, that the drift is secondary to the presentation. i present, wickedly, that the drift is omnipotent.

<SNIP Wailing, weeping, moaning, the sounds of weary lamentation, drifting down the stream, result of  fairly wicked presentation, argument and cursing, floating eerily, with but little hope, t

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Fellow Fly Fishers     I am starting a web site and would like to know what information and features are imortant to you. Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Paul Koulouris Shelburne, Vermont "The true joy of pursuing trout is that they live in such beautiful places"

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This sounds like a great idea!! It would be good to know where the fishing is hot..and where it is not!! { In New Zealand that is!} Sharing what size trout everyone caught over the weekend and what fly they used!! I’m keen for this site!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fellow Fly Fishers     I am starting a web site and would like to know what information and features are imortant to you. Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Paul Koulouris Shelburne, Vermont "The true joy of pursuing trout is that they live in such beautiful places"

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The fishing inside the park was great when was there.  I saw two others fishing in a week. Lots of little Brookies. Crystal clear feeder brooks. Didn’t crawl way up into the high country so can’t say about that, and the only water of any size is paralleled by the main park road. Lots of easy access but you are kind of in a fish bowl as half of New Jersey drives by. But again the fishing was great.  Seem to remember some interesting water back in off the Cade’s Cove area. Don’t know why you would need a guide, just decent maps. The town itself and "Dollywood" could use a good cleaning out with a flame thrower. A real indictment of private sector greed and Babbitry. Or on the positive thinking side, it "offers many entertaining and shopping adventures" for the non-fishers in your party.  The park itself is magnificent. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!         there are plenty places in gatlinburg to provide you with the style of fishing you deserve.  and if you don’t find the answer there, drive east to cherokee, n.c., and they will fix you right up. Try old smoky outfitters in Gatlinburg, The creel in Knoxville and The Little river outfitters in Townsend. I know the old smoky outfitters are online at http://thesmokies.com/oldsmoky_outfitters/

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Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!

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Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!

        there are plenty places in gatlinburg to provide you with the style of fishing you deserve.  and if you don’t find the answer there, drive east to cherokee, n.c., and they will fix you right up.

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Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!         there are plenty places in gatlinburg to provide you with the style of fishing you deserve.  and if you don’t find the answer there, drive east to cherokee, n.c., and they will fix you right up.

Try old smoky outfitters in Gatlinburg, The creel in Knoxville and The Little river outfitters in Townsend. I know the old smoky outfitters are online at http://thesmokies.com/oldsmoky_outfitters/

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Peter: I have the same rod and use TT 6/7. 80 feet overhead cast and 50 feet roll cast are easily made with this combination. Because of the continuous taper of TT, delicate presentation is also easily done. If you need a floating line, I would recommend TT 6/7. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am new to fly-fishing.  I own a St. Croix Imperial 9′ 5/6 weight travel rod with a Colorado #2 Ross reel.  I wonder if my rod will work well with a 6WF line.  I am thinking about ordering the Cabela’s Prestige 6WF F/S VI (IPS = 6.5-7, with 10′ sinking tip) for shad fishing in California rivers.  I like to hear your opinion on this selection.  Please let me know if you would suggest another line or another setup for this purpose. I also wonder if I should begin learning fly-fishing with a 5 WF line or a 5 DT line.  I have seen a few postings here recommending novice caster learning on a DT line.  I wonder what the reasoning is behind it. BTW, I plan to do most of my fishing in Yosemite National Park. Thanks for all your help. Peter

– Shinji Unno                     Karaoke Party in Seattle, WA, USA? Also a steelhead fly fisher               http://www.sbkaraoke.com

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Hi, I am new to fly-fishing.  I own a St. Croix Imperial 9′ 5/6 weight travel rod with a Colorado #2 Ross reel.  I wonder if my rod will work well with a 6WF line.  I am thinking about ordering the Cabela’s Prestige 6WF F/S VI (IPS = 6.5-7, with 10′ sinking tip) for shad fishing in California rivers.  I like to hear your opinion on this selection.  Please let me know if you would suggest another line or another setup for this purpose. I also wonder if I should begin learning fly-fishing with a 5 WF line or a 5 DT line.  I have seen a few postings here recommending novice caster learning on a DT line.  I wonder what the reasoning is behind it.   BTW, I plan to do most of my fishing in Yosemite National Park. Thanks for all your help. Peter

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Ok… Phil baby has told me about the billfish tragedy and that maybe I should not eat them.  He has also suggested that sharks should not be eaten, because of the rapes of that industry. Is there anything (except wild fish that I catch myself) that I can still feel good about eating ?   Lobsters ? Better not… Dolphin…? Whoops !!!! Grouper…? Getting thin… Salmon…? Not in this newsgroup, puhlease… Shark, turbot, wahoo, mackeral, cats, specks, reds, cod, perch, ????? Brook Trout !!! Yeah baby ! Plenty O’ Them !! TimW What is becoming of our world ?

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Ok… Phil baby has told me about the billfish tragedy and that maybe I should not eat them.  He has also suggested that sharks should not be eaten, because of the rapes of that industry. Is there anything (except wild fish that I catch myself) that I can still feel good about eating ? TimW What is becoming of our world ?

Hi Tim Yes I do release most of the trout I catch but I do keep a few Mountain White Fish for dinner. I like them cleaned (a good idea), then fill the body cavity with a couple of slices of onion, butter, a small wedge of lemon, and salt/other stuff to taste. Roll all this up in a tin-foil wrapper, place it "near" the coals of a quiet/calm campfire and cook it 8 minutes on the first side and 4 minutes on the second (adjust more or less according to the size of the white fish)OR on a regular grill for the same times. Good Tying & … — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Hi Al, The Roaring Fork is a really excellent whitefish river.   It’s funny, but I’ve never just ‘cooked them up’.  I do smoke them though.  This I do only once or twice a year as I think the smoke is not all that healthy to eat.   Charlie Quinton is coming down this weekend from Laramie to fish, so I went scouting last sunday afternoon.  I caught a 22 inch brown on the 3rd cast. Released it and hooked it’s big sister on the next, which got off in the current.  Started catching whiteys after that, big bruiser ones. Did not catch a single bow.  I was really suprised.  I’m not sure if the spawn is over or gearing up to go.   I hiked up the 3 mile trib and saw none.  (I would NOT have fished to them had I…) Might have to try simply ‘cooking one up’.  Thanks. TimW

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: Lobsters ? Better not… : "Lobsters"? Is this because your pals at PETA had a "lobster rescue" last : year (PE)T(A)-Bone? (oops I mean "Moe") Stop.  C’mon now… this has gone on long enough.  Stop.  Really. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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ld ? Of all the pressing problems in this world, do you really think C&R fishing is an important issue?

Obviously not! It’s pedantic nonsense! Ralph H

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Is there anything (except wild fish that I catch myself) that I can still feel good about eating ? TimW

you can eat all the BC Pink salmon you want. They’re delicious, easy to catch and all the ones in the fish shop are wild … and relatively cheap. Ralph H

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When I want fish to eat, I go to a small local lake which is heavily stocked.  It’s fun to catch even stupid fish.  I still get away from the grind.  And I feel just fine about keeping what I catch, since I paid for it to be put there for me…a lot like a visit to the supermarket except you don’t have to keep unhooking bag boys from your backcast. — Laboratory for Applied Logic    Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho             www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzDtvLEAAAEEAKAC21G2Be0K0DMgjLpxrwLmsYfCz8rWcfgyABjr3Ryfk1dO nV7fFFpUF3xohR7die+/B2V9oqRQzTLeSF2ECKlsTY/yUyw2kn+P2ju1umh4Fwzd cVTvc+H69q1+Ft3kmw/PE0Pan+g0PUGGJ43stw3q4OgBHdixbRd/f9giJFDxAAUR tCZKYW1lcyBBLiBGb3N0ZXIgPGZvc3RlckBjcy51aWRhaG8uZWR1PokAlQMFEDIR FaeEvoC3uR1YOQEBOlAEAKIGMgrGku99CVdMKNvme4F2diQBFiDtL7Nyz0c9wVK5 QMQinayA4za6hcJRvFZU663JPjegRxbbjoUkiUTs2G+BXMSM7WI+raywqlBd+dQx zZTMkEzpYeuuyci4aKAvmk7PGuJGw5kRWUbMSdSNiGRWqo6CoW74M2kGsKuSA6ME iQCVAwUQMPxF4Rd/f9giJFDxAQEWsAP/YAW5FZwP/cwQ0LeokwL86vWrGSeOQrtS /5MN/Ysc85gYcFsb0/Ja5dDyh/QN34ljB/+3OU71iTWzXNN2KR+uJqTbUVbRsKiT EMiEDebKmlkhkNZUD0LK8Nge4/kiLU2QG+hxpvzXcnMMtkD7SJU3mx5sZv3NJdHh lrjuGWuId48= =G/K7 —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—–

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(Al and Tim are talking about eating whitefish) Yeah, you know, I think I’ll try some this year myself. One question, though:  Have either of you ever noticed a difference in eatin’ quality between fish caught at different times of the year?  I hear folks up in Wa. go after them in the winter but not so much in the summer.  Why? I did keep a 19 incher a few years back during the summer, froze it, and then tried to eat it later but when it thawed it was just a bag of goo… Any idea if that was from the freezing, or just because it was a summer fish? —- A sign of what’s becoming of our world? – the new Oregon regs has a list of waters growing fish that are not safe to eat, basically.  It’s a new section Dave DeLacey Corvallis, Or.

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Hi Al, .  I caught a 22 inch brown on the 3rd cast. Released it and hooked it’s big sister on the next, which got off in the current.  . TimW OH MY GOD! WHO EVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT POSSIBLE?

I was, uh, hunting whitefish at the time I *accidentally* caught this magnificent wild fish.   Plus, uh, my Grill_Lux II Pro-Sports Model Outdoor 145K BTU with the Smoker attachment and Bean spinner only has a 20 inch opening. TimW [Damn !!! I meant to send this private email to Al...]

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Stop.  C’mon now… this has gone on long enough.  Stop.  Really. — Rick

Yeah: 1) we all catch fish; 2) almost all of us like to take a fish home for supper (any disagreement there0 3) some of see this as an essential part of the support; they are entitled    to their opinion and should be allowed to practice this aspect of the    pursuit 4) we all agree that is necessary to release fish for a variety of reasons 5) we all agree that a lot of excellent waters are over fished and have too    much angling pressure. combine that with a lot of c&r and many report    the fish and the fishing suffer. 6) some primarily c&r anglers catch and release slake their fish lust to      excess. 7) given 5 & 6 (and a variety of other issues) angling ethics and regulation    must continue to evolve to preserve the sport. So maybe we can agree on some fundamentals and end this? Can even the prophet(s) among us agree on this? Ralph H

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Hi Al, .  I caught a 22 inch brown on the 3rd cast. Released it and hooked it’s big sister on the next, which got off in the current.  . TimW

OH MY GOD! WHO EVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT POSSIBLE? Ralph H 8^)

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  I have heard they are good smoked, but never have been able to keep them lit. No good will become a fellow who smokes a whitefish. Spinolio

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Is there anything (except wild fish that I catch myself) that I can still feel good about eating ? Lobsters ? Better not… "Lobsters"? Is this because your pals at PETA had a "lobster rescue" last year (PE)T(A)-Bone? (oops I mean "Moe")

Actually, yes. I believe that they did highlight the scientific communities findings that the number of spiny lobsters making the migration has declined in devastating numbers and noone is quite sure why.  This is a huge disaster that any lover of wildlife (which you claim to be) should be interested in. [rest of (PE)T(A)-Bone's, oops "Moe's", stupid list snipped]

How can a list be ’stupid’ ? It is just a list, eh… What is becoming of our world ? Of all the pressing problems in this world, do you really think C&R fishing is an important issue? Besides with annoying AR-loons like yourself, that is.

Uh…excuse me Doug Mackenzie, eh…but if I see pure C&R as the only handhold PETA will need to bring sportfishing down crashing around us, well then it does rank up there as pretty significant in this NG.  But, I guess after a couple of Molsons the ‘Loomis Vs. Sage’ thread would seem pretty damned important, eh ? TimW

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Al, .  I caught a 22 inch brown on the 3rd cast. Released it and hooked it’s big sister on the next, which got off in the current.  . TimW OH MY GOD! WHO EVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT POSSIBLE? I was, uh, hunting whitefish at the time I *accidentally* caught this magnificent wild fish.   Plus, uh, my Grill_Lux II Pro-Sports Model Outdoor 145K BTU with the Smoker attachment and Bean spinner only has a 20 inch opening. TimW [Damn !!! I meant to send this private email to Al...]

ROTFL! What a sport! Ralph H

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OH MY GOD! WHO EVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT POSSIBLE? I was, uh, hunting whitefish at the time I *accidentally* caught this magnificent wild fish.   Plus, uh, my Grill_Lux II Pro-Sports Model Outdoor 145K BTU with the Smoker attachment and Bean spinner only has a 20 inch opening. TimW [Damn !!! I meant to send this private email to Al...]

I’ve looked high and low for one of them bean spinners.  Where’d you find yours? Mike

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  I have heard they are good smoked, but never have been able to keep them lit. No good will become a fellow who smokes a whitefish.

…the tears are rolling down my cheeks…you are a sick and funny man steve… TimW

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(Al and Tim are talking about eating whitefish) Yeah, you know, I think I’ll try some this year myself. One question, though:  Have either of you ever noticed a difference in eatin’ quality between fish caught at different times of the year?  I hear folks up in Wa. go after them in the winter but not so much in the summer.  Why?

Definately, but it depends on the situation.  The poor trout suffer through long winters in some places and are in poor condition for fighten’ or eatin’ in the spring.  The same lake might have pike that are perfect at iceout, from eating the trout.  I think that browns suffer from competetion from the rainbows and whitefish here in the winter and are in better shape by the end of summer.  High mountain areas, the fish are in the best shape in the middle of summer. TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OH MY GOD! WHO EVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT POSSIBLE? I was, uh, hunting whitefish at the time I *accidentally* caught this magnificent wild fish. Plus, uh, my Grill_Lux II Pro-Sports Model Outdoor 145K BTU with the Smoker attachment and Bean spinner only has a 20 inch opening. TimW [Damn !!! I meant to send this private email to Al...] I’ve looked high and low for one of them bean spinners.  Where’d you find yours?

In a pretty dark corner Mike…. 8^) TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OH MY GOD! WHO EVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT POSSIBLE? I was, uh, hunting whitefish at the time I *accidentally* caught this magnificent wild fish. Plus, uh, my Grill_Lux II Pro-Sports Model Outdoor 145K BTU with the Smoker attachment and Bean spinner only has a 20 inch opening. TimW [Damn !!! I meant to send this private email to Al...]

So.  My conspiracy theory that Ralph Cutter and George Gherke are one and the same person, and that this new Moe person has kidnapped and is posing as T-bone is off base hunh?  Would the real T-bone admit to C&R and using Orvis in his lifetime, let alone in the same week!?  Hunh?  I thought not.  Case closed.  Next week I’ll discuss the black Orvis Edition Ford Explorers and what they’re doing cruising around our best tailwaters at night.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OH MY GOD! WHO EVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT POSSIBLE? I was, uh, hunting whitefish at the time I *accidentally* caught this magnificent wild fish. Plus, uh, my Grill_Lux II Pro-Sports Model Outdoor 145K BTU with the Smoker attachment and Bean spinner only has a 20 inch opening. TimW [Damn !!! I meant to send this private email to Al...] So.  My conspiracy theory that Ralph Cutter and George Gherke are one and the same person, and that this new Moe person has kidnapped and is posing as T-bone is off base hunh?  Would the real T-bone admit to C&R and using Orvis in his lifetime, let alone in the same week!?  Hunh?  I thought not.  Case closed.  Next week I’ll discuss the black Orvis Edition Ford Explorers and what they’re doing cruising around our best tailwaters at night.

You forgot about the barking dogs, Sherlock… TimW

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So.  My conspiracy theory that Ralph Cutter and George Gherke are one and the same person, and that this new Moe person has kidnapped and is posing as T-bone is off base hunh?  Would the real T-bone admit to C&R and using Orvis in his lifetime, let alone in the same week!?  Hunh?  I thought not.  Case closed.  Next week I’ll discuss the black Orvis Edition Ford Explorers and what they’re doing cruising around our best tailwaters at night.

WARNING: If you do! They might have to kill you! BE CAREFUL, I know who’s driving that Ford..and his dog doesn’t like people either..;) SWEET DREAMS… ..NAK

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  I have heard they are good smoked, but never have been able to keep them lit. No good will become a fellow who smokes a whitefish. …the tears are rolling down my cheeks…you are a sick and funny man steve… TimW

You don’t inhale do you Moe? Michael Smith

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Is there anything (except wild fish that I catch myself) that I can still feel good about eating ? Yes I do release most of the trout I catch but I do keep a few Mountain White Fish for dinner. I like them cleaned (a good idea), then fill the  ^^^^^ ^^^^

I have heard they are good smoked, but never have been able to keep them lit. -Burton

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  I have heard they are good smoked, but never have been able to keep them lit. No good will become a fellow who smokes a whitefish. Spinolio

Guess I’m lucky they wouldn’t stay lit! -Burton — L. Burton Hawley           2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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No man can lose what he never had.           Chap. v. The Compleate Angler – Izaak Walton. 1593-1683. I guess that’s why its called fishing and not catching Tight lines Julian

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Bad news….16 inches isn’t a monster.  It’s a nice fish, but not worth  crying over.  Hope this makes you feel better.

I beg to differ…it was probably a speck (brook trout), in which case 16 inches is DEFINITELY worth crying over. The biggest brookie I’ve caught so far was only 10 inches. "Oh, once in a while you’ll tie into a big one, say seven or eight inches long, but you’ll need to use live bait and Ford Fenders for one of those." – Jeff Ohman, Fear of Fly fishing. My condolences, Pierre…but look on the bright side…you saw it, you felt it. You may run into it again, in which case say hello from me. — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank – fish enthusiast – Toronto, Ontario, Canada see my illustrations at http://www.mackerel.com/fish/home.html

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16" may be a big brookie on some small stream, but on large lakes and rivers in northern Ontario, and especially Quebec, a 16" brookie doesn’t even entitle you to braggin rights.  IMHO.  Tight lines.  

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Yesterday, I was fishing near my home in Quebec with my girlfriend’s father I was using a little green Muddler. After I had caught 10 trouts, some have 11 inches long, I saw this MONSTER at the end of my line. It was at least 16 inches. But I just can’t bring it on the ground I had no net and I lost it. Since yesterday I can’t stop tinking about this fish. Help me

Congratulate yourself on effecting a humane and brilliantly executed long distance release, tie another muddler and get on with your life.

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Yesterday, I was fishing near my home in Quebec with my girlfriend’s father I was using a little green Muddler. After I had caught 10 trouts, some have 11 inches long, I saw this MONSTER at the end of my line. It was at least 16 inches. But I just can’t bring it on the ground I had no net and I lost it. Since yesterday I can’t stop tinking about this fish. Help me

it was the spirits of 10 fishies haunting you.   you must cleanse yourself by UPS’ing me all of your fishing stuff. it is the only way. TimW

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Yesterday, I was fishing near my home in Quebec with my girlfriend’s father I was using a little green Muddler. After I had caught 10 trouts, some have 11 inches long, I saw this MONSTER at the end of my line. It was at least 16 inches. But I just can’t bring it on the ground I had no net and I lost it. Since yesterday I can’t stop tinking about this fish. Help me

Pierre,  Congratulations!! You haven’t "lost" your monster trout, you have successfully completed one of the most difficult type of humane releases a Catch and Release Fly Fisher can accomplish — The Long Distance – No Hands Release. What you experienced is not a failure but a magnificent success. Non, mon ami you don’t need therapy —  YOU NEED A NET!!!!!! jg

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You need more than a net.  You need to re-define "big" trout. A big trout is 5 lbs or better IMHO. 16" trout are a dime a dozen.  Great fighters at that size, though.

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Bad news….16 inches isn’t a monster.  It’s a nice fish, but not worth crying over.  Hope this makes you feel better.

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IMHO, the size of a "great" trout depends on the river or watershed and your experience catching and releasing that fish.  In a number of fisheries a 16" fish may represent the best that that ecosystem is capable of producing and sustaining. Dave Donahue

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Since yesterday I can’t stop tinking about this fish. Help me

Pierre, this is a malady that effects us all.  The demons of the deep (sometimes shallow) will continue to haunt us all for as long as we fish and then some.  I myself have a similiar re-occuring nightmare where I lost a 28in, 6-6 1/2 lb brown on a size 22 nymph when the knot came loose.  I have dreamed about that fish at least once a month for the last two years.  But a wise man once said, "It is better to have fished and lost than never to have fished before!"  Keep on trying and remember "Love ‘em and Leave ‘em."

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Yesterday, I was fishing near my home in Quebec with my girlfriend’s father I was using a little green Muddler. After I had caught 10 trouts, some have 11 inches long, I saw this MONSTER at the end of my line. It was at least 16 inches. But I just can’t bring it on the ground I had no net and I lost it. Since yesterday I can’t stop tinking about this fish. Help me

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Harrison, You may be right.  I believe I observed Jim and Kelly Watt on the tele one Sat. morning years ago.  For the life of me I can’t remember what ol’ Jimbo looks like BUT I have a vivid picture of Kelly, lips and all.   "Epoxylips", I need to remember that one.  Thank you for correcting me. Stephen Hiner

Stephen:         Just to set you straight, Jimbo is the one who laughs all the time – every nightclub comedians dream. His vocabulary also seems to consist of a single phrase, "oooooooh, NICE FISH". The other member of the dynamic duo squeals a lot and also has a limited vocabulary, i.e., "ooooooooh, THANK YOU FISH". Sometimes they get confused and say things like "THANK YOU, oooooooooh, NICE FISH", or even "NICE, ooooooh, YOU FISH THANK which isn’t in the script. Then they are difficult to tell apart. I think the double XX member of duo wears pink neoprenes, but I haven’t watched the show in years, so maybe I am mistaken.                                 Harrison

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A sure sign – the apocalypse is near!!!! Stephen Hiner

I’m not sure you meant "apocalypse". Didn’t you mean "epoxylips?"                                                 HRS

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Harrison, You may be right.  I believe I observed Jim and Kelly Watt on the tele one Sat. morning years ago.  For the life of me I can’t remember what ol’ Jimbo looks like BUT I have a vivid picture of Kelly, lips and all.  "Epoxylips", I need to remember that one.  Thank you for correcting me. Stephen Hiner

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Folks, most of you are probably aware of the Forum over at the Virtual Flyshop, (chat room, message boards, etc), but our ‘Experts’ board has been down for some time. We’re pleased to announce tha it is back up again, and we have some excellent fly fishermen willing to field your questions, including Gary LaFontaine, Jim Teeny, Jim & Kelly Watt, Dan Wright, Ian Martin and others. Please feel free to make use of this service! The URL for the VFS Forum is http://www.flyshop.com/Forum Thanks, — Mike Tucker-  The Virtual Flyshop Web: http://www.flyshop.com Phone: 970/225-6445

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A sure sign – the apocalypse is near!!!! Stephen Hiner

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Does anyone go fly fishing in Orance County at any of the local beaches?   (*particularly Huntington Beach)  I’d much rather drive 10 minutes to the beach rather than an hour to the nearest fresh water for trout. Jae

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The best salt water fly fishing nearest you, in my opinion, would be in Redondo Beach; King Harbour. Go to Daves Rocky Point at 6:30 am, rent a skiff ($40 for half day) and fish your brains out for Bonita in the harbour. Be sure to have a reel with a drag system and at least an 8-9 rod. Sinking line is considered best, but I have outfished my buddies with a floating line. A 10 lb tippet will do and the Bonita is considered the "Jack Dempsey" of the tuna family. Bonita on the fly is an amazing thing!! Up in the Ventura Co., there is also some great salt water fly fishing from shore. Be sure to have a line tray! the Spy on the Fly

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