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NRA FILES CIVIL RIGHTS SUIT On Tuesday, the National Rifle Association filed a civil rights lawsuit on behalf of 12-year-old Virginia NRA member Alan Newsom. The lawsuit charges the principal and vice-principal of the Jack Jouett Middle School and the Albemarle County (Va.) School Board Superintendent and Board members with violating Newsom’s First Amendment rights when they banned him from wearing an NRA Youth Sports Shooting Camp shirt, bearing NRA’s logo, to school last year. Newsom was forced to remove his T-shirt by the vice-principal and told to turn it inside out. She considered the shirt’s illustrations of individuals involved in shooting sports to violate school policy, even though at the time there was no rule that prohibited such clothing. When NRA notified school authorities that their action violated the student’ s civil rights, the school subsequently added a provision for the 2002-2003 school year barring any clothing associated with "weapons" and "violence." "The facts are clear. Alan Newsom was singled-out by the vice-principal because he was wearing an NRA T-shirt," said NRA’s Executive Vice-President Wayne LaPierre. "The T-shirt clearly depicts individuals involved in shooting sports. The images are in no way inappropriate or violent. This is a blatant infringement of young Alan’s constitutional rights. I was dumbfounded when I learned of the facts of this case after Alan’s parents contacted us, and didn’t hesitate to take up this challenge. I am proud to say that NRA stands proudly with this brave young man," LaPierre said. The lawsuit, which seeks $100,000 in damages and $50,000 in punitive damages plus legal costs, was filed in the U.S. Federal District Court for Western District of Virginia, Charlottesville Division. Among the 12 counts included in the federal suit are free speech and due process violations under federal and state constitutions. "NRA wholeheartedly supports the reasonable prohibition of images on clothing depicting violence in a school setting. However, to preclude a student from wearing an article of clothing because it may run counter to the viewpoints or political beliefs of some school officials is deplorable," LaPierre added. In Tinker v. Des Moines School District, the U.S. Supreme Court held "[i]n order for the State in the person of the school officials to justify prohibition of a particular expressed opinion, it must be able to show that its actions were caused by something more than a mere desire to avoid the discomfort and unpleasantness that always accompany an unpopular viewpoint." NRA’s lawsuit also challenges the ambiguity of the new school rule which will not only affect all NRA logos, but also the Great Seal of the United States, the United States Army logo, and the seal of the Commonwealth of Virginia-all with images of "weapons" that would fall within the prohibitions of the school’s new policy. "This is clearly a case of political-correctness running unchecked," LaPierre added. "Alan is a good student who has no disciplinary problems in school. He developed an affinity for shooting sports and his father enrolled him in a NRA Youth Safety Camp to learn basic firearm safety. Alan aspires to represent his country in the Olympics someday. The school authorities harassed and breached Alan’s First Amendment rights merely for his interest in the NRA and shooting sports." The lawsuit noted that, ironically, Jack Jouett Middle School is named for an American Revolutionary War hero who is known for his famous ride on June 3, 1781, in which despite the potential for personal peril, he rode through the night to warn Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and others that British troops were on their way to arrest patriots for signing the Declaration of Independence. In appreciation for this act of bravery, the Virginia Legislature awarded Captain Jack Jouett a sword and a pair of pistols. For more information on this case, and other cases that NRA-ILA is pursuing, please call (800) 392-8683.

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where’s the fly fishing in this story? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NRA FILES CIVIL RIGHTS SUIT On Tuesday, the National Rifle Association filed a civil rights lawsuit on behalf of 12-year-old Virginia NRA member Alan Newsom. The lawsuit charges the principal and vice-principal of the Jack Jouett Middle School and the Albemarle County (Va.) School Board Superintendent and Board members with violating Newsom’s First Amendment rights when they banned him from wearing an NRA Youth Sports Shooting Camp shirt, bearing NRA’s logo, to school last year. Newsom was forced to remove his T-shirt by the vice-principal and told to turn it inside out. She considered the shirt’s illustrations of individuals involved in shooting sports to violate school policy, even though at the time there was no rule that prohibited such clothing. When NRA notified school authorities that their action violated the student’ s civil rights, the school subsequently added a provision for the 2002-2003 school year barring any clothing associated with "weapons" and "violence." "The facts are clear. Alan Newsom was singled-out by the vice-principal because he was wearing an NRA T-shirt," said NRA’s Executive Vice-President Wayne LaPierre. "The T-shirt clearly depicts individuals involved in shooting sports. The images are in no way inappropriate or violent. This is a blatant infringement of young Alan’s constitutional rights. I was dumbfounded when I learned of the facts of this case after Alan’s parents contacted us, and didn’t hesitate to take up this challenge. I am proud to say that NRA stands proudly with this brave young man," LaPierre said. The lawsuit, which seeks $100,000 in damages and $50,000 in punitive damages plus legal costs, was filed in the U.S. Federal District Court for Western District of Virginia, Charlottesville Division. Among the 12 counts included in the federal suit are free speech and due process violations under federal and state constitutions. "NRA wholeheartedly supports the reasonable prohibition of images on clothing depicting violence in a school setting. However, to preclude a student from wearing an article of clothing because it may run counter to the viewpoints or political beliefs of some school officials is deplorable," LaPierre added. In Tinker v. Des Moines School District, the U.S. Supreme Court held "[i]n order for the State in the person of the school officials to justify prohibition of a particular expressed opinion, it must be able to show that its actions were caused by something more than a mere desire to avoid the discomfort and unpleasantness that always accompany an unpopular viewpoint." NRA’s lawsuit also challenges the ambiguity of the new school rule which will not only affect all NRA logos, but also the Great Seal of the United States, the United States Army logo, and the seal of the Commonwealth of Virginia-all with images of "weapons" that would fall within the prohibitions of the school’s new policy. "This is clearly a case of political-correctness running unchecked," LaPierre added. "Alan is a good student who has no disciplinary problems in school. He developed an affinity for shooting sports and his father enrolled him in a NRA Youth Safety Camp to learn basic firearm safety. Alan aspires to represent his country in the Olympics someday. The school authorities harassed and breached Alan’s First Amendment rights merely for his interest in the NRA and shooting sports." The lawsuit noted that, ironically, Jack Jouett Middle School is named for an American Revolutionary War hero who is known for his famous ride on June 3, 1781, in which despite the potential for personal peril, he rode through the night to warn Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and others that British troops were on their way to arrest patriots for signing the Declaration of Independence. In appreciation for this act of bravery, the Virginia Legislature awarded Captain Jack Jouett a sword and a pair of pistols. For more information on this case, and other cases that NRA-ILA is pursuing, please call (800) 392-8683.

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<SNIP Errr . . .  this is why I posed it as a question, not a statement. Someone once said, I believe on this newsgroup, that punctuation was something to which particular attention should be paid. Therefore, by using a question mark, I was not giving a glimpse into the future, but was asking for one. Tim It’s STILL just a NG – sheeeesh PS: You can call me Tim.

Yes, well Tim, an excellent point, in retrospect. Although you intimated that you detected something. I do wish you would make up your mind, are you a detective? A detector? a fortune teller? or maybe even a cape seller?   I would like "Horn", if its still available, although perhaps "of Good Hope" might be more appropriate. If I could give glimpses into the future, I would know the names of the horses already, and this whole conversation would be as superfluous as a cape. The importance or otherwise of any particular thing, is in the eye of the beholder.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <SNIP Errr . . .  this is why I posed it as a question, not a statement. Someone once said, I believe on this newsgroup, that punctuation was something to which particular attention should be paid. Therefore, by using a question mark, I was not giving a glimpse into the future, but was asking for one. Tim It’s STILL just a NG – sheeeesh PS: You can call me Tim. Yes, well Tim, an excellent point, in retrospect. Although you intimated that you detected something.

I also remember someone, I believe on this NG, saying that people shouldn’t infer intent. I do wish you would make up your mind, are you a detective? A detector? a fortune teller? or maybe even a cape seller? I would like "Horn", if its still available, although perhaps "of Good Hope" might be more appropriate.

Since this is a fishing NG, "Cod" is the going commodity. C’mon, MC, stay on topic.  ;-) Tim

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<SNIP Since this is a fishing NG, "Cod" is the going commodity. C’mon, MC, stay on topic.  ;-) Tim

Just be grateful I don

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And then I got it. Sorry long day in the sun without any fish…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You what? Yes, well, I bet you don

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I have followed this newsgroup for quite awhile now and some of you guys that complain the most about spaming always promote your own web site, now what is this??? Is this spaming???  When I post something here or anywhere else I do not put my web address down and I have not told anybody here or any other board that I am selling Bastard Bamboo, St.Croix , GLoomis, Eastbranch rods, Phillipson, Goodwin & Grangers Heddons, Southbends, H&I, Montagues, Orvis, or any other product I sell… When I posted that I really liked the Black Raven I was telling the truth about the rod.. I was really impressed with this rod.. AIt casted real smooth..When I go fly fishing it is adventure for me because I am in a wheelchair and I always have a hand full of rods to fish with and I usually fish with all the rods I take fishing with me, and I have to admit Banboo Flyrods are the funniest to fish with..  Actually I just started flyfishing and I caught my first trout on an Bamboo Flyrod, Whoops it was a Bastard  flyrod maybe this is an ilegal word here, but I really dont care what is an ilegal word..   I am really sorry if I am spaming about my Heddons,Phillipsons,Southbends,ETC..   Come on guys forget the past and lets jsut talk about fishing and if that Word Bastard come up just let it go, because a Bastard can catch fish just like an Orvis rod can catch fish..  Come on Guys lets just caych some fish on your favorite rod and your favorite fly…   Later dave

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        (blah blah blah)  Come on Guys lets just caych some fish on your favorite rod and your favorite fly…   Later dave

        dave, just go mix another drink, and forget about it.         wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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[snipped] Dave, it’s been explained to you already, but once more for emphasis: you’d never been seen here before, and suddenly a post from out of nowhere appears, overflowing with ebullient praise for a rod built by someone that had thoroughly worn out his welcome here. And adding the bit about "buying ten of them" was like waving a red flag in the face of many folks here. Thus the reaction. But it appears that those same folks might owe you an apology… [el snippo] I have to admit Banboo Flyrods are the funniest to fish with..

LOL! Welll…..No comment ;^) Stick around, Dave. /daytripper

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

Phooey. It’s an election year, politics is on our minds and we speak our minds. (Those of us that actually HAVE minds, anyway.:-) Tell that large, hairy, mustachioed man wearing the fishnet stockings and high heels who forces you to read political posts to put down the cat-o’-nine-tails and get back to work on the heirheads debate strategy. (Unless you really like that sort of thing.) — Ken Fortenberry

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else.

I wish I was young, rich and attractive. Thank *you*. — Charlie…

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

Yeah, wish in one hand and shit in the other.  Let us know which one fills up faster. Wolfgang Director, ROFF Office of Research

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

I wish people would quit reading what they don’t want to, so there you go…  I think we are about equal in our chances of getting our wishes. HTH? You’re Welcome R (who knows Slim just stole None’s horse, and is border-bound…)

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I like your new word, spaming. Maybe spame is a good name for off topic posts! Personnally, I’ve been very pleased that recently people have put "off topic" posts under appropriate headers.  They are very easy to ignore if you’re not interested. What bothers me is when you click on a fishing related subject line and you get garbage. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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Yeah, wish in one hand and shit in the other.  Let us know which one fills up faster.

My grandma always said wish in one hand, shit in the other… and see which weighs more. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

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I wish people would stop wishing, as it is very difficult to prove whether one’s wish actually came to fruition or not! — Opie  –I *hope* this doesn’t piss the wrong people off– – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I like your new word, spaming. Maybe spame is a good name for off topic posts! Personnally, I’ve been very pleased that recently people have put "off topic" posts under appropriate headers.  They are very easy to ignore if you’re not interested. What bothers me is when you click on a fishing related subject line and you get garbage. Willi I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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I wish people would stop wishing, as it is very difficult to prove whether one’s wish actually came to fruition or not!

I can tell you I keep closing my eyes and clicking my heels but somehow I keep getting stuck in Kansas. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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I can tell you I keep closing my eyes and clicking my heels but somehow I keep getting stuck in Kansas.

Ah, that’s the problem: that only works to get you back *to* Kansas, you need a tornado to get you out<g. — Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You Phooey. It’s an election year, politics is on our minds and we speak our minds. (Those of us that actually HAVE minds, anyway.:-) Tell that large, hairy, mustachioed man wearing the fishnet stockings and high heels who forces you to read political posts to put down the cat-o’-nine-tails and get back to work on the heirheads debate strategy. (Unless you really like that sort of thing.)

When did Louie grow a mustache? /daytripper (OK, now I gotta run and hide. Buh byeeeeeee! ;^)

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R wrote snip::I wish people would quit reading what they don’t want to, so there you go…

The only way to get the damn thing to go away is to hit read msg. Big Dale

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It is about fishing.  If big oil get’s their empty suit in the White House look forward to clear cuts,  cynaide leach mines,  oil spills in ANWF and all imaginable kinds of hell loosed upon the earth.  The forces of greed want your fishing hole. BJC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else. Thank You

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Yeah, wish in one hand and shit in the other.  Let us know which one fills up faster. My grandma always said wish in one hand, shit in the other… and see which weighs more.

My kinda grandma!  Never got to know any of my own.  Can I borrow yours some time? Wolfgang over the river and through the woods

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I wish that people in this newsgroup would keep their political spaming somewhere else.

I wish I had a better benefits package, a bigger apartment, three redheaded Tri-Delt mistresses, and a beer. We all got needs, pal. You’re welcome. "My father said to be strong, that a good man could never do wrong  in a dream I had last night in America" -Los Lobos

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Why, do they not make Tri-Delts anymore, or was there only one window in time when they were universally considered desirable?  I know in my undergraduate days (69-73) they were thought (and I believe thought themselves) hotter than heat. Me, I never saw it:  preferred hippy girls in peasant shirts and jeans. BTW, are we allowed to talk about women here, or only politics? JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     "Tri-Delts" gives your approximate age away. [an assumption, but held until informed.] (MC’s comment snipped for space) I wish I had a better benefits package, a bigger apartment, three redheaded Tri-Delt mistresses, and a beer. We all got needs, pal.

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     I don’t know, it seems odd to be fixated on redheads, but even more outr

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Hi All, We went to BC last week and the water was high because they have had a lot of  unusual rain the past month or so. I had a customer by that lives in Great Falls, MT and he said they were in a draught? What is happening out your way? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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My favorite rivers flooded last week, so we fished bluegills and went out for draughts afterwards (BBC Pale Ale – heavy on the Cascade hops this summer).  Definitely no drought in Massachusetts this year.  It hasn’t hit 90 degrees (F) in over a month.

Raining like heck in Juneau, Alaska and it hasn’t hit 90 degrees since we’ve been keeping records.

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It is still hot in Dallas. Duh!! remember we are not all that far from Wichita Falls which has the claim of one of the most appropriately named bicycle races in a few weeks, The Hotter Than Hell 100. Lake Lewisville is still over 13 feet low. Big Dale .

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My favorite rivers flooded last week, so we fished bluegills and went out for draughts afterwards (BBC Pale Ale – heavy on the Cascade hops this summer).  Definitely no drought in Massachusetts this year.  It hasn’t hit 90 degrees (F) in over a month.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We went to BC last week and the water was high because they have had a lot of  unusual rain the past month or so. I had a customer by that lives in Great Falls, MT and he said they were in a draught? What is happening out your way? Bill Kiene

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What is happening out your way?

Serious drought in Georgia. — Charlie…

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Wet and cool in Ontario – all of the rivers are high and we’ve had a few floods. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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What is happening out your way?

reporting from north carolina:         it’s been a great year for bermuda grass.  the golf course fairways are lush and green.  of course, i live in paradise.  in fact, there is a little town about 20 miles northwest of here by the name of "eden". wayno

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Hi All, What is happening out your way?

Big Dale covered the DFW area (hotter’n hell, 11 or 12 days over 100, and dry) and it was hot (mid 90s), with a little rain in Orlando area, raining to beat all hell on the MS/AL Gulf Coast, particularly Mobile. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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Well, in Ohio farmers are expecting exceptional corn crops…….spring rains have been the pits. Of course this is smallmouth bas country which is some fine fishing.  This spring as the fishing started to heat up we began having rains.  Oh, you could find a place to fish but my usual haunts were high and muddy.  About the time you thought you could go fishing tomorrow, put a hurtin on me. So for a month I was unable to fish….and this while the wife and little girl were out of town.  By the time the water was fishable again, boom, summer was here….algae, green water the whole bit. Early morning and late evening were the ticket….I just missed out on a whole spring of fishing…….john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, We went to BC last week and the water was high because they have had a lot of  unusual rain the past month or so. I had a customer by that lives in Great Falls, MT and he said they were in a draught? What is happening out your way? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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Lotta Summer rain here in Maryland.  Some of the stockies are still around, as the rain has kept the rivers cool.  Temp was in the 70s yesterday.  Nebraska on the other hand is in draught and its sizzlin’ hot in the 100s.        Frank Reid Before you buy.

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 in fact, there is a little town about 20 miles northwest of here by the name of "eden".

When I lived in Kansas I used to fish by a little town named ‘Climax’ not far from ‘Eureka’. — Charlie…

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 in fact, there is a little town about 20 miles northwest of here by the name of "eden". When I lived in Kansas I used to fish by a little town named ‘Climax’ not far from ‘Eureka’. — Charlie…

        "climax" is about 15 miles southeast.  in the nether regions, one might say. wayno

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 in fact, there is a little town about 20 miles northwest of here by the name of "eden". When I lived in Kansas I used to fish by a little town named ‘Climax’ not far from ‘Eureka’. — Charlie…

Not far from Friends University, I take it? <G R

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When I lived in Kansas I used to fish by a little town named ‘Climax’ not far from ‘Eureka’. — Charlie…

  When I lived in Nebraska and owned a 90 hp Super Cub, my flying buddy and I talked about establishing a record for the quickest time in a Super Cub on a flight from Colon, Nebraska to Athol, Kansas:) Bob Skinner   Buffalo, WY — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Ya’ll keep your pre-verted towns away from the home of my dear, sainted mother.  She lives in Virgin, UT.  As a matter of fact, I was jus’ thinkin’.  There’s this lady, lives down the street, name’s Mary.  Then again, she CAN’T be that Mary, ’cause she moved up from Las Vegas.    Virgin is the only place in the world with an actual Virgin Recycling Center.                       Frank Reid Before you buy.

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The trout in Northern California are plentiful and in great condition after four years of good rain and snowfall.  River runoff has reduced to the point where dry fly fishing is good and will remain that way for the rest of the year.  This is the year for those 100 trout days. Ernie

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Not far from Friends University, I take it?

About 75mi (or so) east of Friends University of Central Kansas<g. (not the officially sanction name of the school). — Charlie…

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   "climax" is about 15 miles southeast.  in the nether regions, one might say.

Ah, you’ve been there<g. — Charlie…

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What is happening out your way?

Its looking like drought in CO.  Streams not controlled by dam releases are running quite low and warm, at least on the eastern slope.  Hopefully at least some of the fish will survive.

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Up here in the Lakes District it has been raining off and on all summer. The last 5 days or so it’s been sunny. I haven’t been to any rivers in a couple of weeks just fishing the lake so I can’t say how they are. One plus though if the water is high it usually brings record runs for the fall.             Ian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi All, We went to BC last week and the water was high because they have had a lot of  unusual rain the past month or so. I had a customer by that lives in Great Falls, MT and he said they were in a draught? What is happening out your way? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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What is happening out your way?

I have only been able to fly fish our local river on two occasions in the last three months becasue it’s so muddy.  We watered the lawn only once this entire summer.  Not flood per se, but steady precipitation. Mu

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What is happening out your way? I have only been able to fly fish our local river on two occasions in the last three months becasue it’s so muddy.  We watered the lawn only once this entire summer.  Not flood per se, but steady precipitation. Mu

Today, will be (provided we don’t get rain) the  144th consecutive day without measurable precipitation in Las Vegas – Going for the record of 150 set in 1950!  So I guess you could say that we are having a drought.  BUT!  20 minutes after it starts raining, we will be in a flood.  I normally fish in Utah – about 3 hours north of here.  Creeks and ponds in that area are near or at record lows.  Fire danger is rated at Extreme+.  

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What is happening out your way? In The Southern Tier of Vermont,  We had three months of nearly

continuous rains.  The rivers and streams were quite high and not very fishable.  This has settled quite a bit in the past month and the fishing is the best that it has been in my experiance. There has been a fairly steady Sulfur hatch and #10 & #12 sulfers are highly reliable and productive. The Trout are very numerous, well distributed, and in excellent health.   They are deep, broad, and remarkably brightly colored.  They are also guite long winded, makeing for some outstandingly long fights.  Some of the jumps are spectacular. The health of the fisheries is probably due to higher than average streamflows. In fact, fishermen should be extra aware of the weather. Because of the high water table, flash flooding can be an important consideration.  You want to be sure that you leave yourself a ready escape if you are fishing in the rain. If it has rained, the rivers and streams will be high for a couple of days.  The best times to fish are when the water has cleared and receded some.  Evening is the best time, with the last hour of light being the peak time.   So, just choose a water and hang on!                                     Mike Don’t forget to let them go.

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Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? Sounds like a good product to me but can’t find any (maybe that means it’s not such a good product idea). I am considering the Cabela’s Three Forks Featherlights, anyone have experience/comment on these or recommendations for other brands. Must be Y2K compliant. jim

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Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? Sounds like a good product to me but can’t find any (maybe that means it’s not such a good product idea).

The only waist high waders I have seen have been either breathable or neoprene. — Charlie…

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Jim,    I use featherweight stocking foot hip waders, but have never seen any Waist High’s. Ernie Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? Sounds like a good product to me but can’t find any (maybe that means it’s not such a good product idea). I am considering the Cabela’s Three Forks Featherlights, anyone have experience/comment on these or recommendations for other brands. Must be Y2K compliant. jim

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I use a pair from a company called OS systems.  I love ‘em, but don’t know where you can get them.  Maybe try Henry’s Fork Anglers, a friends nephew used to guide for them and might have gotten em from there ….. Tight Lines, Ed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? Sounds like a good product to me but can’t find any (maybe that means it’s not such a good product idea). I am considering the Cabela’s Three Forks Featherlights, anyone have experience/comment on these or recommendations for other brands. Must be Y2K compliant. jim

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Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders

Red Ball used to make them, (maybe still do),. Try Hook & Hackle. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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I Have contacted several fly shops and outfitters and no one has ever seen waist high featherlights, so I guess they don’t exist. I did go to Cabela’s web site and found last years Chest feathers on sale for $24.00. This years catalogue lists them for $49.00 with neoprene socks and improved stitching. Does anyone have the older ones, was there a problem with the feet? $24.00 to me seems like a hell of deal, unless the feet leak, then they ain’t worth 24cents. jim

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Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders?

I don’t know which brand they were, but I recently saw some waist high waders at the Bass Pro Shop in Gurnee Illinois.  Bass Pro Shop does a lot of catalog sales and I’d be very much surprised if they don’t have a web site.  Might be a good place to start looking.

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I made a command decision and ordered the closeout featherlight stockingfoot waders from Cabela’s for $24.00 (price seems too good to be true). My wife is a pro with the sewing machine, when I get em I’m going to have her look at the possibility of lopping off the tops and installing belt loops. Probably another one of my brilliant ideas that will meet with utter failure. jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? I don’t know which brand they were, but I recently saw some waist high waders at the Bass Pro Shop in Gurnee Illinois.  Bass Pro Shop does a lot of catalog sales and I’d be very much surprised if they don’t have a web site.  Might be a good place to start looking.

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Damn good idea Wolfgang. I had been thinking about the belt and didn’t really like it, the suspenders is a far far better idea. My wife will look at both options. Having never had featherlights before, you may be right and all I have to do is roll em down. jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I made a command decision and ordered the closeout featherlight stockingfoot waders from Cabela’s for $24.00 (price seems too good to be true). My wife is a pro with the sewing machine, when I get em I’m going to have her look at the possibility of lopping off the tops and installing belt loops. Probably another one of my brilliant ideas that will meet with utter failure. It should work Jim, but why bother?  It’s easy enough to roll down the top of the waders in warmer weather.  The roll may look a bit odd but it should tighten the fabric enough around your waist to make a belt unnecessary.  And then in colder conditions you still have a full length set of waders.  If you do go ahead with your plan I would recommend suspenders rather than the belt for a couple of reasons.  If you are concerned about heat, suspenders would leave the top open to provide a bit of circulation unlike a belt which will effectively seal the top and thus hold in heat.  I think suspenders are a more positive way to hold the top in place.  Belts can slide up and down.  Belts also rub against the fabric and will cause more wear.  Good luck.

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I made a command decision and ordered the closeout featherlight stockingfoot waders from Cabela’s for $24.00 (price seems too good to be true). My wife is a pro with the sewing machine, when I get em I’m going to have her look at the possibility of lopping off the tops and installing belt loops. Probably another one of my brilliant ideas that will meet with utter failure.

It should work Jim, but why bother?  It’s easy enough to roll down the top of the waders in warmer weather.  The roll may look a bit odd but it should tighten the fabric enough around your waist to make a belt unnecessary.  And then in colder conditions you still have a full length set of waders.  If you do go ahead with your plan I would recommend suspenders rather than the belt for a couple of reasons.  If you are concerned about heat, suspenders would leave the top open to provide a bit of circulation unlike a belt which will effectively seal the top and thus hold in heat.  I think suspenders are a more positive way to hold the top in place.  Belts can slide up and down.  Belts also rub against the fabric and will cause more wear.  Good luck.

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try Cabelas… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe they’re not available. Has anyone seen Featherlight Waist High stocking foot waders? I don’t know which brand they were, but I recently saw some waist high waders at the Bass Pro Shop in Gurnee Illinois.  Bass Pro Shop does a lot of catalog sales and I’d be very much surprised if they don’t have a web site.  Might be a good place to start looking.

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I Have contacted several fly shops and outfitters and no one has ever seen waist high featherlights, so I guess they don’t exist. I did go to Cabela’s web site and found last years Chest feathers on sale for $24.00.

I don’t know what mine are but I did get a cheapy pair of waders from Cabelas a few years ago for that price.  It’s nylon fabric with PVC coating on the inside.  The seams looked like they were heat pressed together (no stitching).  They leaked after the 3rd day of fishing. Mu

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Well I received the chest featherlights from Cabela’s today and now know why they were so cheap and a closeout item. "What a Piece-O-C**p. 10 minutes later they were in the return mail back to Cabela’s. I thought $24.00 was too good to be true. The feet of these waders are beyond description… Maybe their new sewn neoprene foot waders are better. They were light…. jim

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Jim: Apart from any other consideration, make it a point to get neoprene foot waders.  There is a world of difference using those compared with lightweights that have feet out of the lightweight wader material.  If you can do it, spring for the "low end" Orvis or Hodgman breathables – you won’t regret it. Somewhat over $100, as I recall. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I received the chest featherlights from Cabela’s today and now know why they were so cheap and a closeout item. "What a Piece-O-C**p. 10 minutes later they were in the return mail back to Cabela’s. I thought $24.00 was too good to be true. The feet of these waders are beyond description… Maybe their new sewn neoprene foot waders are better. They were light…. jim

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Check the Orvis Website.  They have the 2mm stretch neoprene waders on sale. DP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim: Apart from any other consideration, make it a point to get neoprene foot waders.  There is a world of difference using those compared with lightweights that have feet out of the lightweight wader material.  If you can do it, spring for the "low end" Orvis or Hodgman breathables – you won’t regret it. Somewhat over $100, as I recall. Mark Faulkner Well I received the chest featherlights from Cabela’s today and now know why they were so cheap and a closeout item. "What a Piece-O-C**p. 10 minutes later they were in the return mail back to Cabela’s. I thought $24.00 was too good to be true. The feet of these waders are beyond description… Maybe their new sewn neoprene foot waders are better. They were light…. jim

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I fish almost daily in the lake in front of my house on a golf course using a fly rod with poppers.  I get hit often but my success rate in landing them is a joke.  It seems most often that the popper gets rolled on and disappears under water.  When I try to set the hook, I pull it out of the fish’s mouth or I hook it for a while only to lose the fish before landing it.  I have good success fishing with plastics or spinner baits using my baitcasting set up, but terrible results with the poppers.  I’ve tried waiting longer before setting the hook, setting it up, sideways, slower, harder … nothing seems to help.  I am using a barbless hook which I hand sharpen.  Any suggestions. Thanks ahead of time.

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The trouble might be the poppers you are using. Check and see how much

clearance you’ve got between the point of the hook and the underside ofthe popper.   Many poppers I’ve found sacrifice a bigger gap here, better a better "look", meaning more flashabou, rubber legs, hackle to form a skirt, etc.  When I tie my own or buy one, either hardbodied or deerhair, I’ll use a razor to trim as much hair or plastic or cork off the bottom at the back of the poppers body as I can and still have a good solid body, or I’ll use some needlenose pliers to bend the hook back a little to widen the gap. I’ve found this increases my hook-ups a lot. This wasn’t my idea, I got it from reading about flyfishing from lots of different folks. Bill C. "Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

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I fish almost daily in the lake in front of my house on a golf course using a fly rod with poppers.  I get hit often but my success rate in landing them is a joke.  It seems most often that the popper gets rolled on and disappears under water.  When I try to set the hook, I pull it out of the fish’s mouth or I hook it for a while only to lose the fish before landing it.  I have good success fishing with plastics or spinner baits using my baitcasting set up, but terrible results with the poppers.  I’ve tried waiting longer before setting the hook, setting it up, sideways, slower, harder … nothing seems to help.  I am using a barbless hook which I hand sharpen.  Any suggestions. Good luck Thanks ahead of time.

With a fly rod on bass the gape of the hook is important, as pointed out in another post. Main thing to remember is to set the hook as hard as you can. You must use a 7 or 8 weight if you are really going to set without problems. I use lighter tackle because its fun–a 5 wweight and have caught lots of 3 lb bass with it. also occasionaly larger ones. For the 5 i dont use the rod to hook-I use my left hand with the line . Its a better way as you get used to it and gives more power as you strike without endangering the rod.                  Angleral

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   It uses the GUARDHOOK – -an amazing new fishhook that acts like a pincher crab to prevent fish from throwing it.  It is a long shank Mustad with a built in weed guard.  Now you won’t believe all of its features.  It is totally all-terrain.  It never gets snagged in weeds or brush.  I have even tested them on land tossing them into brushpiles.  They have the North American Fisherman Clubs seal of approval.  100 out of 100 field testers said they would never fish without them.  The GUARDPOP is just one of many of my new all-terrain lures. You can buy a GUARDPOP (popper) from me or just buy GUARDHOOKS for your poppers.  The Guardhooks come in many sizes – a new size 6 is just now available.  They are doublehooks so they are quickchange hooks.  And they Lock out for Safe storage just like a safety pin cause the spring weed guard can be sprung over the hook tip.  I fish them barbless too by pinching down the barb so they are safer for you and safer for the fish. Ted Rydell-  see at www.foxynet.com/guardhook – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I fish almost daily in the lake in front of my house on a golf course using a fly rod with poppers.  I get hit often but my success rate in landing them is a joke.  It seems most often that the popper gets rolled on and disappears under water.  When I try to set the hook, I pull it out of the fish’s mouth or I hook it for a while only to lose the fish before landing it.  I have good success fishing with plastics or spinner baits using my baitcasting set up, but terrible results with the poppers.  I’ve tried waiting longer before setting the hook, setting it up, sideways, slower, harder … nothing seems to help.  I am using a barbless hook which I hand sharpen.  Any suggestions. Good luck Thanks ahead of time. With a fly rod on bass the gape of the hook is important, as pointed out in another post. Main thing to remember is to set the hook as hard as you can. You must use a 7 or 8 weight if you are really going to set without problems. I use lighter tackle because its fun–a 5 wweight and have caught lots of 3 lb bass with it. also occasionaly larger ones. For the 5 i dont use the rod to hook-I use my left hand with the line . Its a better way as you get used to it and gives more power as you strike without endangering the rod.                  Angleral

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In a couple of weeks, I will be taking a trip for a couple days of fishing on Dale Hollow then a couple of days at Table Rock.  I have never been on either one of them.  Anyone have any advice on how to fish and what to use.  Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks

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I am envious.  I have not been on table rock in 10 years.  Table rock is full of bass and a few rainbow’s.  There are a few main rivers that empty in to Table rock.  One is the white river.  This river has decent fishing, but it soon turns shallow.  The other river is the Roaring River.  Matter a fact I would recommend canning the trip to table rock and heading up to Roaring River State park.  Buy a day pass, at last check it was $3, and fish your heart out.  The state park stocks the river with trout from the hatchery at the end of the park every night.  The limit was 5 trout and they are mighty good eating.  Roaring river is about 5 miles from Eagle Rock landing on tablerock.  If you like to fly fish, you will not find a better place in which to practice the fine art. Let me know if you wand any further info on Roaring River. IF you still want to go to table rock you will find great coves with plenty of dead cover.  That is, plenty of trees and stumps.  The bass are thick as theives.  If you go down by the dam the water is about 150 feet deep.  This is good fishing.  The water gets pretty warm in the summer. So the fish tend to run deep in the daytime. I hope you have luck.  If you need any further recomendations please let me know.  This is where I spent my summers for years. Deon Smith

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: In a couple of weeks, I will be taking a trip for a couple days of fishing : on Dale Hollow then a couple of days at Table Rock.  I have never been on : either one of them.  Anyone have any advice on how to fish and what to : use.  Any ideas would be appreciated. I fished the B.A.S.S. Missouri Invitational on Table Rock a few weeks back and I love the lake. If you haven’t booked a place to stay yet I stayed at a place called the Lighthouse Lodge in Kimberling City. A guy named Dave owns it and I really liked him. He is a fair source for where the fish are too. And no I don’t get no kick back or anything else from him. Although I haven’t fished Dale Hollow I was up there this spring to look around and it LOOKED a bit like Table Rock. Judgement based on standing no shore and looking at the lake. So take it for what its worth. Back to Table Rock. Best pattern I saw was fishing CEDAR trees. I could catch nice fish by dragging a lure through the tree and coming in contact with the tree. Stopping right after it hits and I would get bit. This was in varying depths of water. Could be as little as 8 feet and as much as 40. One guys method was to crank a stick bait down into the tops of trees in DEEP water and let it sit there. Move it a bit and let it sit again. It was too slow a pattern for me. Another good lure/method was to through light line with no weight and a Zoom minnow imitation to the tops of trees and let it sink. Twitching once in a while. This was a killer combination IF you had the right color. Color was key here. Just keep trying colors till they start tearing your arms off. Next was gravel points. Look for pea gravel on points and I used jerk baits. This was my best pattern. Both lakes are extremely clear water so long casts are a must. And remember that conditions change and what was working last month may not this month. Oh and when we were there the fish were spawning. Many people caught limits by sight fishing beds. Good fishing, All About Computers      | (810) 456-3894 (work) 2887 Pontiac Ct.         | (810) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   | Single and not taking applications. 48326                    | Interviews maybe.

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Sir, Go to my web page and click on Resources.  Once there click on Champ Charters and email Captain Paul.  He is a great guy and an awesome togue and salmon fisherman.  He will certainly be able to help you.  Good luck. James Ehlers Underhill, Vermont And yes lakers are very deep in August…downriggers are a must. Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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every year i go to the northern maine woods to camp and fish. it has been three years and going again the first week in august. i have never even gotten a bite. i am from mas. and solely fish for bass which ifeel i am very good at. so im new to the lake fishing theres also salmon in maine lakes. i would appreciate any help or info on methods,time,weather on cathching them. this will be the first year that i will be using a downrigger in hopes it will work. not sure the proper depth but heard that

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I know Loomis does, they have told me so.  I don’t know who else however, but Sage is a good possibility.  Their rods are very nice. Burton On Tue, 29 Oct – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sort of off the subjet of previous posts in this thread, but: I know that Loomis used to make some of Bean’s top rods.  Recently some of them have been looking like Sages, others like Loomis.  Anybody know the skinny on who’s making LL’s rods lately? zeno

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Sort of off the subjet of previous posts in this thread, but: I know that Loomis used to make some of Bean’s top rods.  Recently some of them have been looking like Sages, others like Loomis.  Anybody know the skinny on who’s making LL’s rods lately? zeno

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LLBean is making their own rods now, I think they get their blanks from sage – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sort of off the subjet of previous posts in this thread, but: I know that Loomis used to make some of Bean’s top rods.  Recently some of them have been looking like Sages, others like Loomis.  Anybody know the skinny on who’s making LL’s rods lately? zeno

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Sort of off the subjet of previous posts in this thread, but: I know that Loomis used to make some of Bean’s top rods.  Recently some of them have been looking like Sages, others like Loomis.  Anybody know the skinny on who’s making LL’s rods lately? zeno

As of about 8 months ago I heard it was Loomis, but that report was from another fisherman, and we all know how reliable fisherman’s reports are. He said he called Bean, and they wouldn’t say exactly who manufactures their rods. Brett

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I have a 10ft. 5wt Double L designed for float tubes.  I use it for saltwater wade fishing.  Broke it once at the ferrule.  (may have been my fault but Bean replaced it.)  Has a medium fast action.  Works well for small snook and specks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m relatively new to the NG, so forgive me if I have missed a thread on this subject. However, does anyone have any experience with the Double L rods, specifically the two-piece 5-weight? – MM

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I’ve been considering an LL Bean Guide series rod.  They’re made with IM-6 graphite, have medium-fast action and run around $190.  This seems like a great deal when coupled with Bean’s 25-year free replacement guarantee. Any comments about Guide Series rods? Dave Anderson Columbia, Maryland

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Sort of off the subjet of previous posts in this thread, but: I know that Loomis used to make some of Bean’s top rods.  Recently some of them have been looking like Sages, others like Loomis.  Anybody know the skinny on who’s making LL’s rods lately? zeno

Don’t know who makes them, but I had a chance to fish the Double L "S" saltwater 9′ 10 weight and it *looked* more like a Sage. It was matched with a #10 Bean intermediate line and casts were some of the most effortless I’ve ever made. If I were to buy a production rod this would be very high on my list.                                                         jc

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MM, I have a 9 ft 6 wt LL rod.  Bought it at the Bean outlet in Nashua, NH. CAsts great, looks great.  I would buy another any time.  It has a medium/fast action, is fairly light in construction and nicely finished. Gerry Crow

Hi Gerry, I’ve found all of LL Bean’s equipment both fly fishing and other to be of excellent quality.  I too think their rods are an excellent peice of equipment.  I do have one and use it but still am partial to RPL and Scott rods as well. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/expo/specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I’m relatively new to the NG, so forgive me if I have missed a thread on this subject. However, does anyone have any experience with the Double L rods, specifically the two-piece 5-weight? – MM

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MM, I have a 9 ft 6 wt LL rod.  Bought it at the Bean outlet in Nashua, NH.   CAsts great, looks great.  I would buy another any time.  It has a medium/fast action, is fairly light in construction and nicely finished. Gerry Crow

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