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Federation of Fly Fishers Code of Angling Ethics

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I don’t know what on earth you’re talking about. …  From an old argument where you just discounted a dictionary definition (several of them, in fact) …

Still don’t know what on earth you’re talking about. Could it be that you’ve just got a bug up your ass ? — Ken Fortenberry- rhetorical question Willi, I know you’ve got a                   high horse up your ass.

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      Still don’t know what on earth you’re talking about.     Could it be that you’ve just got a bug up your ass ?     Ken Fortenberry- rhetorical question Willi, I know you’ve got a      high horse up your ass. better be careful…… you’re losing control….. your fascination with other mens’ asses is starting to roll….. Willi

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  <pedantic diatribe which boils down to a misunderstanding of the word ethics To wit: (from Merriam-Webster) the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group — Ken Fortenberry

Much as I would like to contest your in depth analysis, I have to admit I’ve always been a sucker for rigorous scholarship and meticulous research.  Oh sure, there’s always a bit of lingering resentment…..I mean, shit, a guy spends a lifetime reading books and thinking about these things (sometimes for whole minutes at a time!), only to be trumped by an obscure and unlooked for datum whose very existence no one could have foreseen or predicted, but still, one simply has to admire the insouciant ease of the dismissal.  But then, I guess it’s easy when you’ve got a distillation of the world’s wisdom at your fingertips in a single volume.      :( Wolfgang gotta get me one’a them webster thingys one’s these days.

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Cat fight!

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  Now *that’s* the Ken we know and love. — TL, Tim     ain’t it the truth, timj !  :) yfitons wayno

You bad, bad dry fly fisherman.  You KNOWWW he’s going to rise to THAT fly Wayne. Shame on you. Mr.G.

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Cat fight!

Heh, heh, heh. Hey Ken!  Fresh meat!      :) Wolfgang

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Bozeman, Montana, November 18, 2002:  For immediate release. The Federation of Flyfishers announced today the publication of its Code of Angling Ethics.  FFF is an international organization whose mission is to lead activities that enhance and support the fly fishing experience for all anglers who fish with the artificial fly. FFF Treasurer Gary Grant, who spearheaded the effort to develop the Code of Angling Ethics, said that FFF decided to examine this issue about two years ago.  "Articles and discussions about ethical behavior by anglers have surfaced from time to time, and it was time to see if a common set of guidelines with unifying themes could be developed." The FFF Code expresses the belief that ethical behavior is a key component of the angling experience, and that anglers must behave ethically towards each other, non-anglers, and the environment.  Grant concluded:  "Ethical angling behavior is not a destination for one to boost about reaching.  Rather, it is a continuous journey that will improve the overall angling experience." To learn more about the Federation of Fly Fishers, view the FFF website at: www.fedflyfishers.org< or contact FFF Executive Director Jim Rainey at 406-585-7592.

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Bozeman, Montana, November 18, 2002:  For immediate release. The Federation of Flyfishers announced today the publication of its Code of Angling Ethics.

<snip Phew! For a minute there I thought they were going to impose ethical standards on roff. :) It’s too bad that the only people who will read this code of ethics are people who probably already adhere to stronger standards. — TL, Tim

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Bozeman, Montana, November 18, 2002:  For immediate release. The Federation of Flyfishers announced today the publication of its Code of Angling Ethics.

Is there anything in there about leaving empty worm containers streamside? :-)

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Phew! For a minute there I thought they were going to impose ethical standards on roff. :)

Yeah, right after they bring Cary Grant back to life.  :-) Joe F.

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It’s too bad that the only people who will read this code of ethics are people who probably already adhere to stronger standards.

Or to put it another way, the problem with codes of ethics is that they are inherently unethical.  They are either coercive or they are meaningless. Wolfgang

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The Federation of Flyfishers announced today the publication of its Code of Angling Ethics.

rw asks: Is there anything in there about leaving empty worm containers streamside? :-)

The ethical angler always leaves a worm or two for the next guy. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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It’s too bad that the only people who will read this code of ethics are people who probably already adhere to stronger standards. Or to put it another way, the problem with codes of ethics is that they are inherently unethical.  They are either coercive or they are meaningless.

True, but how does that make them different from the regs?  The State coerces compliance with the regs; other anglers coerce compliance to a code, formal or informal, written or unwritten. JR

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It’s too bad that the only people who will read this code of ethics are people who probably already adhere to stronger standards. Or to put it another way, the problem with codes of ethics is that they are inherently unethical.  They are either coercive or they are meaningless. True, but how does that make them different from the regs?  The State coerces compliance with the regs; other anglers coerce compliance to a code, formal or informal, written or unwritten.

I see two major differences, one practical and the other philosophical. Practically speaking, a coercive code of ethics, in this instance at least (and I’ll look at others in a moment), has no teeth.  The worst that an organization like FFF can do to a violator is revoke membership, which has absolutely no effect on one’s ability or opportunities to go out and fish, ethically or otherwise.  State regulations, on the other hand, have very real and often severe coercive power; violations can result in lost privileges, fines, confiscation of equipment and, in serious cases, even imprisonment. Philosophically, the difference gets right to the heart of what ethics is about.  In essence, ethical behavior is doing what is right simply because it is the right thing to do.  In other words, ethical behavior is characterized expressly by the LACK of coercion and even , in some cases, despite coercive regulations to the contrary.  For example, fishing regulations virtually everywhere state that any fish which may not be legally kept must immediately be returned to the water unharmed.  Obviously, any ethical and/or law abiding fisher will do so whenever possible….but there’s the rub.  We have all encountered situations when a fish which may not be legally kept (due to size restrictions, for instance) is mortally injured by a hook and cannot be released unharmed, and the vast majority of us believe that delivering a quick coup de grace is preferable to allowing the fish to slowly bleed to death.  Clearly, anyone who believes this is ethically bound to kill the fish, contrary to the dictates of the law. As I suggested earlier, there are some situations when what is referred to as a code of ethics can be backed by real authority.  Unlike the case of the FFF, there are many individuals and organizations in a position to impose such a code and punish breaches with more than just a symbolic slap on the wrist.  Employers and associations like the AMA come readily to mind.  The problem here is that such codes fly in the face of what ethics are all about.  That is to say that if one accepts the notion that ethics is about doing the right thing for its own sake, then a code is superfluous at best and antithetical to the whole purpose of ethics in any case.  This whole mess arises through a misuse of the term ethics.  What people are actually being asked (or, more often, TOLD) to subscribe to should more correctly be referred to as a code of conduct…..ethics simply don’t enter into the equation except insofar as one is willing to concede that whoever is doing the dictating has taken an ethical stance.  The irony is that people in a position to dictate "ethics" to someone else are, typically, well educated. They certainly SHOULD know that you cannot dictate ethics and that any pretence to doing so is deceitful and hence, as most thinking persons would likely agree, unethical. Wolfgang

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  <pedantic diatribe which boils down to a misunderstanding of the word ethics To wit: (from Merriam-Webster) the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group — Ken Fortenberry

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  <pedantic diatribe which boils down to a misunderstanding of the word ethics To wit: (from Merriam-Webster) the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group

Hmmm. This is what I got  from Merriam-Webster Collegiate: 1 : the discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation — TL, Tim (me thinks Wolfgang is correct)

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          <pedantic diatribe which boils down to a misunderstanding of the word   ethics     To wit: (from Merriam-Webster)     the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group     Thought you didn’t accept dictionary definitions or is that just when they disagree with what you believe? Willi

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Hmmm. This is what I got  from Merriam-Webster Collegiate: 1 : …

Keep on reading. All the way down to 2 c:. (me thinks Wolfgang is correct)

And methinks you can’t even spell methinks. — Ken Fortenberry- you’ve got a dictionary, fer cryin’ out loud USE the damn thing

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Thought you didn’t accept dictionary definitions …

I don’t know what on earth you’re talking about. Which dictionary definition am I supposed to not accept ? — Ken Fortenberry

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Hmmm. This is what I got  from Merriam-Webster Collegiate: 1 : … Keep on reading. All the way down to 2 c:.

I saw it, but by the time the definitions get to "2c" they’re getting pretty weak. 1 trumps 2c.  ;-) (me thinks Wolfgang is correct) And methinks you can’t even spell methinks. — Ken Fortenberry- you’ve got a dictionary, fer cryin’ out loud USE the damn

thing Now *that’s* the Ken we know and love. — TL, Tim (my dictionary says you misspelled fur)

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correct) And methinks you can’t even spell methinks. — Ken Fortenberry- you’ve got a dictionary, fer cryin’ out loud USE the damn thing Now *that’s* the Ken we know and love. — TL, Tim

    ain’t it the truth, timj !  :) yfitons wayno

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    Thought you didn’t accept dictionary definitions …         I don’t know what on earth you’re talking about. Which dictionary   definition am I supposed to not accept ?     From an old argument where you just discounted a dictionary definition (several of them, in fact) because their definitions didn’t agree with your position. Willi

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Reel » Puerto Vallarta fly fishing?

Puerto Vallarta fly fishing?

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If a person were to find themselves in Puerto Vallarta for a week, how, and where would one go about arranging to fly fish?  What equipment would you be able (or should) take with you?  What does a charter cost?  etc. Thanks, Steve

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I’d take a 10 or 9 wt.  Prefer at 10.  Take a sinking line and a floater and a basket.  Take flies surf fishermen use in california and big poppers.  You may not be able to find an experienced fly guide but you can catch fish. Possibilities should include Roosters, and Dorado,  Robalo (Snook),  Corvina (like a Red but in the surf and tricker.)  You may have to guide the guide but you should be able to find a Panga and a guia who can find fish.

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MR  Neeley  There are a number of charter boats at PV . You  will truely be in a fishing paradise . PLEASE take advantage of every moment .,  I have seen little kids go out on dugout like  canoes and catch 20 pound dolphin , on hand lines . The other pratice it for the locals to go out in their long boats with nets streches inbetween the boats . they can   vacumm a bay in a matter of hours . the bottom there is rocky , with the shore line with small pebbles . and some sand thrown in too . In addition to a fly rod i would bring a nice  light tackle spin outfit …and a good  a medium action bait reel.. i use the penn 965 . For Fly fishing i would  go to a  a surfing hot spot north of town called Punta de Mita .  there is a little bay right at the point . .  Wade out like 100 yards , on the rocky  bottom , and climb on top on one of the many bolders in the surf . In the incoming tide you can cast 360 degrees above and out of the water . It is unlimited what you can catch there in about 4 feet of water , but it includes , rock bass , little tuna , dolphin , and tarpon . I have seen sharks there also . The wave will come in and the water will be 6 feet deep , and as it passes  the water level will drop 2 feet. I have had the most luck in a incoming tide . In fact it is like a light switch .  Plug fishing is really great too .I like the small two gang  hook mirrorlures . The bottom is rocky , you have to have a very tough leader . Also , it is a long walk out , be sure to talk everything you need , cause it takes a while to walk back inshore .  Also just north of town , where  the ferry docks are , there is a great jetty , which is good for typical jetty fishig .   The boats there are , or have been quite old , all wood , look like they were made in the 30’s . BUT  this is slowly getting better. But their fishing gear on the boat is all very heavy duty . They are great guys , and will fish the way you want if you want to tease a fish and cast a fly at it . The marlin are only a few miles off shore .  This is a paradise , research it , and make the most out of your trip . Hale Savannah

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Tiny Bead Heads

Tiny Bead Heads

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<snipped Vittorio, Do you have any craft or needle point stores in your area?  I have found some extra small beads this way.  I just did a search with google.com and found these sites: http://www.netway.com/~flyshop/catalog/beads.htm http://www.kman.com/Catalog/Page87/Page87.htm http://www.mwflytying.com/new_stuff/ns_materials.html Hope this helps. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin I don’t care who you are, you are not walking on the water while I’m fishing.

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Hi folks. I am looking for a source of tiny metal (NOT glass) beads to tie size 20-24 bead head flies.  I picked up a few BW-WD40 size 22 in Montana this summer and they seem to work around here too ! Most beads I found around are too large for such small hooks. However, the fly shop in MT must have found their beads somewhere. Any suggestion ? I posted this query to ROFFT, and someone there suggested to post it here too, as many knowledgeable anglers post here but not on ROFFT. Cheers, -Vittorio

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Hi folks. I am looking for a source of tiny metal (NOT glass) beads to tie size 20-24 bead head flies.  I picked up a few BW-WD40 size 22 in Montana this summer and they seem to work around here too ! Most beads I found around are too large for such small hooks. However, the fly shop in MT must have found their beads somewhere. Any suggestion ?

ones in several types (brass, lead, ect) or try Then there is always National Feathercraft in St. Louis but I won’t recommend em. <g — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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Although you specified not glass. There are indeed quite a number of metallised glass beads available in a fair range of sizes.  For very small flies I have not been able to find anything as good as these in metal.  They have a number of advantages I think, They do not tarnish, they are available in a range of metallic colours, and they certainly provide enough weight on small flies. Durability does not seem to be a problem, as though I broke a few when putting them on the hooks, none have so far broken under actual fishing conditions. They are available at a lot of places, and they are cheap compared to metal beads. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks. I am looking for a source of tiny metal (NOT glass) beads to tie size 20-24 bead head flies.  I picked up a few BW-WD40 size 22 in Montana this summer and they seem to work around here too ! Most beads I found around are too large for such small hooks. However, the fly shop in MT must have found their beads somewhere. Any suggestion ? I posted this query to ROFFT, and someone there suggested to post it here too, as many knowledgeable anglers post here but not on ROFFT. Cheers, -Vittorio

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Flyfishing for steelhead

Flyfishing for steelhead

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It is still early for the steelhead season, but we finally had a week with no rain.  I am wondering if anyone has had a chance to get out to one of the Oregon coastal streams yet and if so, how is the water looking? — Terry Http://flyfishonline.web.com/

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Slid away from the Silicon Forest and went to the Wilson Tuesday afternoon. Conditions were marginal, still recovering from heavy rains of last week. Water lower in the lower basin was still off color. A few hardware fishermen were about and doing no better than the Spey Rod. Been cool and dry since then, should be very fishable now. Best of Y2K to all, — Jeff www.teleport.com/~salmo/jp.htm

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Reel » Tennessee fly-fishing

Tennessee fly-fishing

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Hi,     I’m a newbie to this group, so please bare with me.  I have been going to school at Vanderbilt University in Nashville for 4 years now and for one reason or another have never tried fly fishing in Tennessee.  I’m from Texas where I fish saltwater often, but I can probably count the times I’ve gone fly fishing in the past 5 years on one hand.  Like many beginners, I spent no more than $100 bucks on rod, reel, and line combined.  After a relatively unsuccessful trip to the Frio river in the Texas hill country, I realized that I might have been missing out on some pretty decent fishing in East Tennessee.  I know the basics of the sport and what it entails, but there is so much more for me to learn.  If anyone out there is willing to help me out, some advice on the following things would be greatly appreciated:     1)  where in eastern Tennessee to fish     2)  what tackle works best for the fish here (fly line, leaders, tippet, flies,          fly sizes, etc.)     3)  recommended fly-casting teachers (I’m O.K., but could definitely use some help)     4)  outfitters in the Nashville area     5)  books/videos on fly fishing and fly tying     5)  anything else that would be helpful Thanks,     Tyler McAfee

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If anyone out there is willing to help me out, some advice on the following things would be greatly appreciated:    1)  where in eastern Tennessee to fish    2)  what tackle works best for the fish here (fly line, leaders, tippet, flies,          fly sizes, etc.)    3)  recommended fly-casting teachers (I’m O.K., but could definitely use some help)    4)  outfitters in the Nashville area    5)  books/videos on fly fishing and fly tying    5)  anything else that would be helpful

Waters…within close proximity to you,,,the Clinch, the Hiwassee, the Tellico WMA, the Smokies….the Holston, Tailwaters a 5wt is nice. Teachers and outfitters, right next to your school, the West End Transit Company on West End Avenue, nice fly shop in back, with a member of the newsgroup working there on Fridays, Jack Schmitt (I hope I got that right)., Active TN TU chapters are a good place to start. The TN TU chapter even put out a small booklet of maps on the TN trout streams. theres another outfitter nearby, combination gun and tackle shop but the name escapes me right now. But go see Jack, he’s a good guy and won’t steer you wrong. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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Hi Wayne, I appreciate the kind remarks. The shop is Cumberland Transit and is next to Vanderbilt. Due to circumstances, I will be in the shop irregularly over the next 2 months. My wife and I plan to travel the West. Jim Mauries from Colorado is there full-time and will be glad to help if I am not there. Best wishes and tight lines. Jack.

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writes: The shop is Cumberland Transit and is

Sorry Jack, brain fart. have fun out west. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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I’m a newbie to this group, so please bare with me.                                            ^^^^ No thanks.

Saving yourself for T-Bone :-) (just kidding Jimbo-really) Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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X-no-archive: yes     I’m a newbie to this group, so please bare with me.                                            ^^^^ No thanks.

        good god.  the first inkling of humor in your roff life.  this may be a memorable occasion. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Talyllyn Lake

Talyllyn Lake

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Where is Talyllyn Lake

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dwyfor.ac.uk writes Has anyone had any experience of fly fishing on Talyllyn Lake?

Famous for it Olive hatches. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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Has anyone had any experience of fly fishing on Talyllyn Lake?

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Does anyone have any experience of fishing on Talyllyn Lake?

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dwyfor.ac.uk writes Does anyone have any experience of fishing on Talyllyn Lake?

Not actually fished it, but know a man who has:-) I’ve been told the fishing is not that good these days, but what fish there are, will happily take an olive nymph or lake olive. I’d go for local B&B if you’re intent on staying in  the area for a day or two – Ty’n y Cornel is a bit pricey but good. The food is very good! — Bill

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fish » Baffin island

Baffin island

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will be in northwest territories, Nunavut, and will have opportunity to fly fish for char and what ever.  Any advice as to flies, techniques, equipment???

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will be in northwest territories, Nunavut, and will have opportunity to fly fish for char and what ever.  Any advice as to flies, techniques, equipment???

        Think I recall an article about a year or so ago by the "political" columist for one of the FF mags whose name is Ted Williams though, of course, he’s not the baseball guy. At any rate, he talked about fishing for arctic char, but I’ve forgotten what mag he writes for. Maybe someone here will tell us and then you can call them and get a copy of the issue with that article in it. As I recall it, it was a good article, and it struck me that they weren’t all that different from fishing for brookies, esp. as Williams said that contrary to what he had heard, they do indeed take flies off the surface. I’d think streamers would be your best bet for day-to-day fishing for these guys, maybe with a 6 or 7 wt so as to fight the wind? And you might want to take along a 4 or 5 wt if you are going somewhere with grayling, plus lots of dryflies for them. Other than that I suspect there’s lake trout in the inland lakes, and way up there I suspect you might get them on the surface during the right time of year. In fact I’ve seen lakers taking stuff off the surface right after ice-out in Canada, and heard of guys catching them that way, though I didn’t have my flyrod when I saw it and was catching them on spinners right below the surface though.         Good luck, and let us know how it goes. tgb

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » The Gila and Gila Trout

The Gila and Gila Trout

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The Gila River and tributaries within the Gila National Forest has about two hundred miles of stream that contain Gila trout and Gila-rainbow highbreds. About 45 miles of these are now considered pure Gila trout and are protected. If this population can be expanded and stabilized Gila trout may soon be down listed and fishing allowed in the future. In the mean time one can fish for Gila-rainbow highbreds in many streams. Brown trout are found in several streams and brook trout in Whitewater Creek and South Fork Whitewater Creek. Smallmouth are found in the Mainstream, East Fork, Middle Fork, and Beaver Creek. Almost all of the good flyfishing is found in the wildness and requires hiking. Ron

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information on the locations of gila trout are in the nm fishing regulations as restricted waters.  the u.s. fish and wildlife are listed as saving these trout during the forest fire season and may provide referrences.

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First a note:  How do I get the text of the post I’m responding to included?  Everyone else does it, and all I ever get is a blank screen for my post.  Makes it harder to peg in my reply for the casual reader. Anyhow, I can only say a little about the Gila trout, and that indirectly.  Earlier this week, I attended and testified at a hearing (in Socorro, NM) about the reintroduction of the Mexican wolf.  On that occasion, I had the "opportunity" to hear the positions of a variety of New Mexican cattle ranchers from that area.  And there were aspersions cast on the trout, as another gosh darn way people interfere with ranchers (the ONLY people who actually *work* for a living — everyone else is on "welfare", including but not limited to government employees, corporate employees and anyone involved in education).  Not a comment that gives you much of an answer, but at least you know somebody’s out there, reading your post… BTW, I think that reintroduction of the wolves would be good for trout, a la Leopold’s "Thinking Like a Mountain".  Vegetation is GOOD for watersheds, hydrological regimes, water quality, etc. etc.  When you "think like a mountain", you get nervous about ways of doing things that denude the countryside.   E.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rods » Requesting Rod Recommendations

Requesting Rod Recommendations

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I’m looking for a high quality 9-weight rod I can use for saltwater (blues and stripers) and freshwater (bass)? Any recommendations other than Orvis and Sage?

I use a custom built rod using a GLoomis IMX 9.5′/9wt 2pc blank (model FR1149, if I remember correctly). This is a cannon of a rod and is able to punch soggy 2/0 flies into the typical New England ocean winds with aplomb, and fight the big guys to the beach. I’ve landed some good-size bluefish (14~15 lbs) against an outgoing tide at the mouth of the Merrimack with this rod. It casts more like a 10wt than a 9 so I’ve overloaded it by one line size, and I’ve used a Teeny T500 (the ultimate depth charge) on it with no surprises. If you have the forearm for it, I highly recommend a similar rod for grownup blues and stripers… /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <           "Read this and nobody gets hurt"           < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Try Scott, they make a beautiful rod to cast

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Ken Lindsay Fly Fishing Online http://www.flyfishing-online.com

Ken: Your Web page is dysfunctional; it apparently needs a little virtual therapy, or perhaps some head cement. I have a little GL3– a 78" for 3, but prefer my Loomis IMX rods for the bigger rivers, longer casts and heavier winds.

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I’m looking for a high quality 9-weight rod I can use for saltwater (blues and stripers) and freshwater (bass)? Any recommendations other than Orvis and Sage? Thanks. David

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Winston… it’s the only rod.  See other’s comments in "What do you think of Winston Rods" subject messages Karl the Bass

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Try the Loomis GLX series. They are really powerful. Another rod   to try would be the Redingtons. THe price is considerably lower   than the big boys and they have super actions. Good Luck, Ken Lindsay Fly Fishing Online http://www.flyfishing-online.com

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I’m looking for a high quality 9-weight rod I can use for saltwater (blues and stripers) and freshwater (bass)? Any recommendations other than Orvis and Sage? Thanks. David

You should take a good look at Powell Rods. They are very high quality and a goof bargan for the quality.

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I’m looking for a high quality 9-weight rod I can use for saltwater (blues and stripers) and freshwater (bass)? Any recommendations other than Orvis and Sage?

Loomis makes some great rods.  Both the GLX (high end) and GL3 ( mid range) are good values fo rthe money.  The GL3 is the fastest rod I know of in the 200-250 price range.                  /                 /                   John Woodling                /                    Sacramento, CA                   <     <

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I’m looking for a high quality 9-weight rod I can use for saltwater (blues and stripers) and freshwater (bass)? Any recommendations other than Orvis and Sage? Thanks. David

I like the J.K. Fisher GT40 9/10, very powerful. My friend’s Scott Heli Ply seems real nice too. Fin Nor is selling rods under their name built on GT40 blanks too. Neither of these rods are cheap, but they’re both fine sticks.                                                         john cloyd

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I’m looking for a high quality 9-weight rod I can use for saltwater (blues and stripers) and freshwater (bass)? Any recommendations other than Orvis and Sage? Thanks. David

One of the best  rods for the money is a ST Croix Legend. They are made in Wis. and have a lifetime warrantee.  The list price for a  9′ 8/9 wt is $210.  IM-6 type  42,000,000 modulus.

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Help with FF in Colorado with kids

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I live in Colorado and would like to introduce flyfishing to my son who is 9 years old.  I have been here for 6 years and have fished the S. Platte, Arkansas, Rio Grande, etc.  But I am looking for recommendations for small streams with good access, and easy fishing (preferably dry fly) for small fish. Any recommendations you might have would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Ron Welborne

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Ron, I good place for this might by the exit waters of Pueblo Resovoir.  It is always open and very easy to catch fish.  There is not of lot of River to fish but it might be ideal for your situation.  Right under the dam are some good holes.  Again not alot of fishing but it should produce results and is warmer and more consistent for a nine year old.Good Luck!! Tom

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Well flyfishing with kids is not easy, but it can be done. You’ll need some large sproat hooks.  Lash the kids to the hooks with 20Lb Amnesia Stiff Monofilimant.  Duct tape their mouths, unless fishing for musky or pike.  See the article on Tarpon Leaders and tie a few of those.  You’ll need a large double handed spey rod and with any luck you should be able to chuck the little buggers 40-50 feet.   Tim Walker (Just kidding…i love children…they’re delicious…)

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