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Well, it’s been a couple weeks since the idea lit up, caught fire briefly and fizzled, so I thought I’d try posting a reminder. For you newbies: I am compiling a directory of ROFF members, initially to allow ROFF members travelling to another state to maybe look up a fellow member to share some local knowledge, some time on a stream or a cold beer together.   To participate, send me your screen name and state.   Other info, such as you real name, home city, age, home waters, occupation, etc. is optional (most so far have shared most of these).   You can surrender as little anonymity as you are comfortable with.   None of this info will be shared by me outside this group or with commercial concerns. For the "experienced" ROFFians: Awright goddammit, where the hell are ya?   A lousy 50 names in three weeks? What about the rest of ya?   You know who you are!   Seriously though, I am hoping some of the discussions about file size, databases or other esoteric computer shit didn’t put anybody off (responses dropped like a stone shortly after that).   I’d like to see this grow to a potentially useful tool for everybody.   If you post regularly or even occasionally, send me your info (see above). Joe F.

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Ok Joe, Didn’t see the last thread, musta been fishn’ or drinkn’ or sleeping as far as I know? Tim Apple Rockford IL Good smallmouth and some trout(top secret on the trout thing, about 5 people in the world know where they are.) Also finally figured out how to get walleye on the fly, good fishing for em’ to. I’d give you my address but I’m going in the Coast Guard soon and it wouldn’t do ya much good unless you cruise by in the next 2 months or so. see ya Tim Apple — "Bamboo is Better"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, it’s been a couple weeks since the idea lit up, caught fire briefly and fizzled, so I thought I’d try posting a reminder. For you newbies: I am compiling a directory of ROFF members, initially to allow ROFF members travelling to another state to maybe look up a fellow member to share some local knowledge, some time on a stream or a cold beer together.   To participate, send me your screen name and state.   Other info, such as you real name, home city, age, home waters, occupation, etc. is optional (most so far have shared most of these).   You can surrender as little anonymity as you are comfortable with.   None of this info will be shared by me outside this group or with commercial concerns. For the "experienced" ROFFians: Awright goddammit, where the hell are ya?   A lousy 50 names in three weeks? What about the rest of ya?   You know who you are!   Seriously though, I am hoping some of the discussions about file size, databases or other esoteric computer shit didn’t put anybody off (responses dropped like a stone shortly after that).   I’d like to see this grow to a potentially useful tool for everybody.   If you post regularly or even occasionally, send me your info (see above). Joe F.

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I was in Orlando on business a couple of months ago. I looked in the Yellow Pages for fishing guides and was just overwhelmed. There were so many that I just couldn’t pick one. Orlando is such a tourist trap that I felt my chances of picking a loser at random were too great. My only other trip to Orlando was about 45 years ago when I was a child. I recall it as a sleepy little place, but it’s sure changed, and much for the worse. If there’s anything in Orlando that isn’t a Disney-like fake I never found it. Their convention center is so big you’d better take a bicycle or roller skates. What’s happened to much of Florida is sad. Do we really need umpteen billion people on the planet? All the good places are being trashed, one after the other. Pretty soon you’ll have to be a billionare to enjoy anything decent. Rant mode off. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Florida has many sites on the net.  Check out Florida in the Unitred States section at http://www.davisbrown.com/ffgeo.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am going to Orlando, Florida the 30 of January and I am going to stay there for 6 weeks. I am considering to bring my flyrod, if the flyfishing are good. I’m also looking for a good flyshop with a wide range. If you can help me, I would appreciate it. Tight lines. Jon Arne

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Stick with the Fly Fisherman.  That is unless your in the market for expensive clothing, then by all means Downeast. Regards, David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – By all means bring the rods, there are some great places to FF within an hour or two of orlando.Both fresh and saltwater.Try these: The Fly Fisherman Inc. 1213 N. Orange Avenue Orlando, FL 32804 (407) 898 1989 and Downeast 538 Park Avenue South Orlando-Winter Park, FL 32789 (407) 645 5100 — Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish, goes home through the alley. Anonymous http://fish-n-net.com/

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I am going to Orlando, Florida the 30 of January and I am going to stay there for 6 weeks. I am considering to bring my flyrod, if the flyfishing are good. I’m also looking for a good flyshop with a wide range. If you can help me, I would appreciate it. Tight lines. Jon Arne

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By all means bring the rods, there are some great places to FF within an hour or two of orlando.Both fresh and saltwater.Try these: The Fly Fisherman Inc. 1213 N. Orange Avenue Orlando, FL 32804 (407) 898 1989 and Downeast 538 Park Avenue South Orlando-Winter Park, FL 32789 (407) 645 5100 — Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish, goes home through the alley. Anonymous http://fish-n-net.com/

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I am going to Orlando, Florida the 30 of January and I am going to stay there for 6 weeks. I am considering to bring my flyrod, if the flyfishing are good. I’m also looking for a good flyshop with a wide range. If you can help me, I would appreciate it. Tight lines. Jon Arne

   !’st off, the Orlando area is comprised of other towns nestled together. Being north of Orlando proper 2 shops come to mind, an Orvis (small shop) in Winter Park, there is a larger shop just north of the junction of 434 and 17/92 and I also believe there is a shop in one of the Disney villages. Have no idea from your post as to the type fishing you are interested in. From Orlando you have the choice of the space coast flats on the east coast to bass and panfish in the St.Johns to the north to the Gulf coast to the west. Orlando also has an extensive group of lakes in it’s area ranging from small 1 acre to 20 or more acres, lake info is available from the Fl. game and fish commision on thier site under the heading "fish orlando". Also lake Okachoby (headwaters of the glades(biiiig bass) isn’t all that far. That time span is rather early in the season for fresh but you never know. Good luck.                                                            John Popp                                                         in Sanford Fl.

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To: All Oregon Fly Fishers This is an invitation to *all* who are interested in fly fishing in Oregon to join the Oregon Council Federation of Fly Fishers’ new e-mail listserv. The purpose of the listserv is to create a forum focused on fly fishing in Oregon.  Since snail mail and newsletters to the Oregon Council’s 2,200 members will take some time, I encourage you to forward this notice to anyone interested. To subscribe, send e-mail as follows:      subscribe orcfff-l Note that the subject line if left blank, and the command "subscribe orcfff-l" is placed all alone on the first line of the message body. Soon thereafter you will receive a "confirmation" number which you must return to complete the subscription (it prevents malicious people from signing you on and off the list without your consent). To obtain more information before subscribing, send e-mail:      info orcfff-l In addition to the open "general" list, there is a closed "conservation" list for those deeply dedicated to fish and habitat conservation matters. I will screen applicants to those who actively engage private, state and federal entities in fish conservation matters (e.g. ODFW basin plans, ODF Forest Practices Act, Option 9, ESA, stream gravel removal). The conservation list is "orcfff-cons-l". Thomas Gilg VP Conservation, Oregon Council of the Federation of Fly Fishers Chair, Mid-Willamette Fly Fishers

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If you’re having problems subscribing, note the following:    - The last character in "orcfff-l" is a lower case "L",      not the number "1" (one).  If your mailer is like mine,      the font is exactly the same    - Unlike many mail lists, the orcfff lists add an      extra step in the subscription process (see *):            with a line in it that looks something like         4) Your subscription should be complete. If you still can’t get through, please let me know. Thomas Gilg

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Of course, I haven’t fished California that often at all.  Maybe twice in my life.  Your trails are just too chucked full of broken rods.  ;)    - Just kiddin, just kiddin!

That’s cuz when we break a rod, we just Chuck it! Charley

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Gosh, but it works for me just fine.  Your bushes are THAT thick there, huh?  I never find it probable enough to change directions with ‘that many’ hang-ups Charlie.  I frankly would rather do it this way than stumble forward onto a rod or jamming the tip into exactly what you don’t like . . . thick bushes.  What I do, if and when on those rare occassions it IS that thick, is the rod simply is dangling on my finger-tips.  It it hangs up it pulls enough for me to stop immediately and wiggle it loose.

I almost always carry mine with rod tip trailing, with a loose grip, for the same reasons GG mentions.  If the brush is very thick and the trail meanders (like willow thickets), I somtimes carry the rod pointing straight up.  I rarely carry it tip first; too easy to snap a rod.  Also, when traveling on a hillside, the rod should always be carried on the downhill side.  That way, if your feet slide out from under you, you won’t fall on your rod and ruin your day. Charlie Quinton

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Always walk down a trail with your rod butt in your hand and your rod trailing after. It is then a simple matter to unhook your upper fly and bingo! You already have enought line to cast and feed out. Mr. Gink

George,         I was with you right up to here.  In the pacific north west and California, it’s just too damn brushy for this.  I always carry my rod so I can see the tip and keep it out of trouble.  Invariably, when I try to trail it behind an eye or the line catches on a branch, and I end up retracing my steps to get it unwound.  Nice theory, haven’t gotten it to work here. Charley

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Always walk down a trail with your rod butt in your hand and your rod trailing after. It is then a simple matter to unhook your upper fly and bingo! You already have enought line to cast and feed out. Mr. Gink George,         I was with you right up to here.  In the pacific north west and California, it’s just too damn brushy for this.  I always carry my rod so I can see the tip and keep it out of trouble.  Invariably, when I try to trail it behind an eye or the line catches on a branch, and I end up retracing my steps to get it unwound.  Nice theory, haven’t gotten it to work here. Charley

thick there, huh?  I never find it probable enough to change directions with ‘that many’ hang-ups Charlie.  I frankly would rather do it this way than stumble forward onto a rod or jamming the tip into exactly what you don’t like . . . thick bushes.  What I do, if and when on those rare occassions it IS that thick, is the rod simply is dangling on my finger-tips.  It it hangs up it pulls enough for me to stop immediately and wiggle it loose.  I simply just don’t get hung up that often Chuck to worry about it.  Of course, I haven’t fished California that often at all.  Maybe twice in my life.  Your trails are just too chucked full of broken rods.  ;)    - Just kiddin, just kiddin!

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I have to admit, I’m in the ‘hold the rod forward’ school myself…I have read and been told that this is not the best way, but when I tally the thing behind me, I always ball it up on the bushes like Charley.   TimW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Always walk down a trail with your rod butt in your hand and your rod trailing after. It is then a simple matter to unhook your upper fly and bingo! You already have enought line to cast and feed out. Mr. Gink George,         I was with you right up to here.  In the pacific north west and California, it’s just too damn brushy for this.  I always carry my rod so I can see the tip and keep it out of trouble.  Invariably, when I try to trail it behind an eye or the line catches on a branch, and I end up retracing my steps to get it unwound.  Nice theory, haven’t gotten it to work here. Charley thick there, huh?  I never find it probable enough to change directions with ‘that many’ hang-ups Charlie.  I frankly would rather do it this way than stumble forward onto a rod or jamming the tip into exactly what you don’t like . . . thick bushes.  What I do, if and when on those rare occassions it IS that thick, is the rod simply is dangling on my finger-tips.  It it hangs up it pulls enough for me to stop immediately and wiggle it loose.  I simply just don’t get hung up that often Chuck to worry about it.  Of course, I haven’t fished California that often at all.  Maybe twice in my life.  Your trails are just too chucked full of broken rods.  ;)    - Just kiddin, just kiddin!

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Two comments: 1. Rain forests of Pacific Northwest sometimes limit this method when bushwacking to the next pool. I often have to take the rod down to avoid breakage when working through foilage with jungle like characteristics. This applies to about 5% of my fishing. Otherwise it works. 2. DO NOT BEND THE END OF THE ROD when doing this. You can break it. There is a tendancy to pull the line from the reel end when hooking the guide. Rather one should pull the line straight out from the tip. Next time you have a fish on (or are snagged) look at the last foot or so of your rod. You will notice it is straight, while the rest of the rod bends. B.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going to move to a different fishing location? Or walk down a trail with your flyline? Here is a tip on how to string up your leader and flyline for travel. Take the fly and do not hook it on the fly guide. This is a waste of time. Rather, take your fly and hook it about two or three guides below the Rod Tip. Bring your hand back on the loop and and loop your leader/flyline around the reel housing and then reel up the remaining slack. What this does, when done correctly is keep your leader out of the tip guide. Here is how it should look. Your fly line comes out of the tip, changes into your leader which goes directly down to and around your reel and back up to your fly which is hooked in a guide up near your rod tip. Always walk down a trail with your rod butt in your hand and your rod trailing after. It is then a simple matter to unhook your upper fly and bingo! You already have enought line to cast and feed out. Mr. Gink

Hi George, I’ve used this system for years and you are right it’s a great way transport a "rigged rod."  Also it keeps you, your friends, or clients from ending up with a fly hook snagged in the carry hand.  I can’t tell you the number of time each year I get to remove hooks from clients hands who chose to use the hook keeper rather than the system you suggest. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Going to move to a different fishing location? Or walk down a trail with your flyline? Here is a tip on how to string up your leader and flyline for travel. Take the fly and do not hook it on the fly guide. This is a waste of time. Rather, take your fly and hook it about two or three guides below the Rod Tip. Bring your hand back on the loop and and loop your leader/flyline around the reel housing and then reel up the remaining slack. What this does, when done correctly is keep your leader out of the tip guide. Here is how it should look. Your fly line comes out of the tip, changes into your leader which goes directly down to and around your reel and back up to your fly which is hooked in a guide up near your rod tip. Always walk down a trail with your rod butt in your hand and your rod trailing after. It is then a simple matter to unhook your upper fly and bingo! You already have enought line to cast and feed out.

Two comments: – check the reel foot before you do this – many have quite sharp corners and will definitely eat into the leader. All of my CFO’s (which use a machined reel foot) needed a light touchup with a bit of sandpaper to take the edge off them (most of my Hardy’s needed a similar buffing job). – most flyfisherpeople I know have been doing this for decades… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus            Maynard, Massachusetts   < <        Charter Member of "Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely             to be shared by my employer, etc…

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Going to move to a different fishing location? Or walk down a trail with your flyline? Here is a tip on how to string up your leader and flyline for travel. Take the fly and do not hook it on the fly guide. This is a waste of time. Rather, take your fly and hook it about two or three guides below the Rod Tip. Bring your hand back on the loop and and loop your leader/flyline around the reel housing and then reel up the remaining slack. What this does, when done correctly is keep your leader out of the tip guide. Here is how it should look. Your fly line comes out of the tip, changes into your leader which goes directly down to and around your reel and back up to your fly which is hooked in a guide up near your rod tip. Always walk down a trail with your rod butt in your hand and your rod trailing after. It is then a simple matter to unhook your upper fly and bingo! You already have enought line to cast and feed out. Mr. Gink

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I’ll be in Miami the first week in October.  What’s running in the northern Keys or Biscanne Bay?  I’ve flyrodded these flats before and alothough I know big bones are there, we saw very few fish.  Of course it could have been, and probably was a bad fish day, but I might try again. Any suggestion for guides out of Miami? Adam

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Try Luis Cruz at 305-262-4330. His beeper is 305-313-8491 (when tone rings just enter your phone number including area code there is no voice message). I’ve fished with many of the best guides in the Keys, including some of the famous legends. Luis is young, knowledgeable, hardworking, and has put me into fish every trip…I’ll be doing some flyfishing for permit with him in mid-September. He’s a number one guide who knows Key Biscayne like his back yard. Bob Elliott, Rochester, NY

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I’ll be in Miami the first week in October.  What’s running in the northern Keys or Biscanne Bay?  I’ve flyrodded these flats before and alothough I know big bones are there, we saw very few fish.  Of course it could have been, and probably was a bad fish day, but I might try again. Any suggestion for guides out of Miami? Adam

This is a good time to fish because it is cooling a little and the flats are not so crowded. You might find some baby tarpon ( 10 to 30#), bonefish, permit or redfish. This is the second season, Oct/Nov. The spring, April/May/June, is the most popular time to fish southern Florida. At this time you also have the big migration of tarpon. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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I have lost the info on how to unsubscribe please tell me how thanks Serge

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I have lost the info on how to unsubscribe please tell me how

You cannot subscribe or unsubscribe from an open newsgroup (e.g. rec.outdoors.fishing.fly).  It is always there, whether you go into it or not.  If you have used your Internet node software to select some "favourite" newsgroups that are speedily retrieved for you, you should be able to revise it to suit yourself. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I have lost the info on how to unsubscribe please tell me how thanks Serge

functions of the software that you’re using.  For instance, in Navigator, you just ‘uncheck’ the group name. — Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON, Canada **new**     http://home.ican.net/~rlundy/

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I suspect the dye you used was a problem – too many salts or something else.  Try a pure acid dye, and after dying, make sure to rinse the heck out of the hide. Thomas Gilg

It was RIT DYE….

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writes: Rit dye gives fairly good results but tough colors like black Rit is not very good for fur or feathers. Of course there may be someone on the group who has good luck with Rit, my hats off to them

To get a good black with rit dye you need to add some brown dye to it. Now if I could only remember how much!                                                    Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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Hi Sandy, I have a bunch of EVA ZOTE closed cell foam I bought from a dealer at the Fly Tackle Dealer Show a couple of years ago. I don’t avertize it in my catalog but I’ve got it if you need some. Give me a holler at 585-0745. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I have found some good foam for bugs by searching the boxes we regularly receive here at work.  Alot of the computer companies use good quality closed cell foam for shipping.  Soft and floats well. I’ve accumulated more than I’ll use in a very long time. It’s kind of like finding road kill foam. Seek and ye shall find. You can also find adhesivfoam in Hardware Stores (used to stop drafts)-

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I want some advice on different glues to use on foam body bugs.  I have tried head cement and it seems to work somewhat, but doesn’t bond the hook to the foam.

The strongest glue for anything will always be epoxy. Model airplane shops sell *thin* 5 minute epoxy that works well for fly tying. 20-minute epoxy will be more flexible and stronger yet, however. Super glue is handy, also sold at model airplane shops, along with ‘instant’ hardening catalyst. I make a lot of foam flies. I use cheap, open-cell polyurethane foam for soft-bodied nymphs and streamers, and EVA (ethyl-vinyl-acetate) closed-cell foam for grass hopper bodies, etc. Big, soft foam streamers are interesting because fish don’t spit them out. They bite down and say ‘yes, this is what I thought.’ Where do you get closed-cell EVA foam? I dunno, for sure. John Betts used to sell under an ‘Evazote’ trade name, but he never had colors. I get it from a wholesaler. But most folks can’t do that. I don’t use foam strips, I cut out a hopper body, wrap it lightly with thread to segment it, and then tie it on *loosely* with thread, and then use super glue. One last note: Not all closed-cell foam is worth anything. Some is so dense it hardly floats. You need to find *lightweight* foam to make unsinkable dry flies. Most fly shops sell strands of ’round-in-cross-section’ closed-cell foam (made by ??) that looks really handy. But the damn stuff is so heavy it’s more like rubber, and hardly floats.

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I would like you to take note of my new e-address <My old one has expired and I guess I was on a demo period

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For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy)

Hmmm…I wonder where they all are when I’m visiting my family in Berkeley and environs?  Mine is the only whitewater boat I ever see on top of a car or next to a house in any of my family members’ and friends’ neighborhoods…which is fine by me.  Who wants to boat in a crowd anyway? — Chris

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(Robert Mault) writes: For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy) Hmmm…I wonder where they all are when I’m visiting my family in Berkeley and environs?  Mine is the only whitewater boat I ever see on top of a car or next to a house in any of my family members’ and friends’ neighborhoods…which is fine by me.  Who wants to boat in a crowd anyway? — Chris

Ya’ see, we keep our boats inside mosta’ tha time ’cause a all that great Cal sunshine! Ain’t ta’ good for the plastic and glass. I remember livin’ in Charlotte and it wasn’t nothin’ like here. Hey wait, I just saw a boat out in downtown San Jose! He was paddlin’ main street!  ’Kay, sometimes we get a bit a rain… Later, Aaron — "Nothing more is needed to destroy a man, than the conviction that his life’s work is useless."  -Antonin Artaud

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For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy) based organization with a POB & Voice Mail in Marin County and meetings at the University of California on Parnassus Ave. in San Francisco. More Info: (415) 435-7936 and/or read above message. "Go w/the flow"-"Z".

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For those who couldn’t discern our location-CFS is a San Francisco Bay Area (reputed to have the largest concentration of whitewater boaters in the galaxy)

Funny…every diversion that I’m into seems to have the most interest base in the bay area. Flyfishing, Astronomy, and Kayaking all have more participants in the bay area than anywhere else in the country (as a group). Too bad it costs so damn much to live there. Kai

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