Question:

If you think that is weird, check out this; Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946. Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960. The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters. Both were particularly concerned with civil rights. Both wives lost their children while living in the White House. Both Presidents were shot on a Friday. Both were shot in the head. Lincoln’s secretary, Kennedy, warned him not to go to the theatre. Kennedy’s secretary, Lincoln, warned him not to go to Dallas. Both were assassinated by Southerners. Both were succeeded by Southerners. Both successors were named Johnson. Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908. John Wilkes Booth was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1939. Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names are comprised of fifteen letters Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse. Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater. Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials. Coincidence? Hardly… Your Bug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away. Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink.   Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly. Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream?

Response:

Thanks, Wayne, Frank, Dave.   She’s out of danger now, just getting meds adjusted and the doctors popping in with contradictory opinions on when she can go home.  I think some want to keep her until they can track down the cause, rather than just letting her go when she seems okay.   It’s just wearing when everything to do with my kids or pets is always emergencies (okay, myself, too.).   When even the cats wait to get sick until the regular vet is closed, you know you’ve got a pattern going.  Although the dog never required a vet ER and my husband never even sees a regular doctor.  I have now seen the ERs of 5 different hospitals (not counting the ones I worked for in the long ago.) for actual emergencies.  Some of them more than once.   She sympathized with me about camping and fishing.  Said if she were in my spot, she’d want to go, too.  Heck, even though she hates camping and has never fished, she’d probably rather be doing that then trying to con the nurses in to taking her out for a cigarette. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

Response:

cyli writes: BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though.  

You and I would get along very well.  Hope your daughter is better. Dave

Response:

You can’t imagine how much more I’d rather be camping and fishing than visiting a hospital.  Or listening to a getting well cranky adult around the house.  Okay, maybe you can.  20 randy old guys would be a breeze. BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless

My best to you and yours.  Hope all is better soonest. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

Response:

Mom and daughter both, HANG IN THERE!  Remember Nancy’s web site I sent you? Go there and drop her a note to let her know what’s going on with your daughter trial’s and tribulations.  I think you’ll find her a great person to "talk" to.  Her insights can be most enlightening. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks, but my next week promises to be almost as nasty as last, except it seems my daughter _is_ likely to live.  But the only day off she’s giving me from visiting her in the hospital is tomorrow (today? Sunday, anyway.).   What are the odds an apparently healthy 30 year old woman would suddenly come down with clots all over her body? Doctors are going nuts (always a good sign, means they’re working hard at discovering the cause.).  They thought she’d be coming home on about Monday or Tuesday, but complications have ensued. You can’t imagine how much more I’d rather be camping and fishing than visiting a hospital.  Or listening to a getting well cranky adult around the house.  Okay, maybe you can.  20 randy old guys would be a breeze. BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

Response:

Say, the guy who was supposed to go down to Cape Lookout with me this coming weekend has to fly to Europe instead.  Lots of False Albacore and camping on the beach.  If you can get to Richmond by Thursday evening and bring your basic camping stuff, I have an extra Albacore rig and room in the car.  Just think! 20 randy old guys out on a spit of sand in the Atlantic and ONE woman!! (do you cook?)   BTW, The invitation is for reel!

Thanks, but my next week promises to be almost as nasty as last, except it seems my daughter _is_ likely to live.  But the only day off she’s giving me from visiting her in the hospital is tomorrow (today? Sunday, anyway.).   What are the odds an apparently healthy 30 year old woman would suddenly come down with clots all over her body? Doctors are going nuts (always a good sign, means they’re working hard at discovering the cause.).  They thought she’d be coming home on about Monday or Tuesday, but complications have ensued. You can’t imagine how much more I’d rather be camping and fishing than visiting a hospital.  Or listening to a getting well cranky adult around the house.  Okay, maybe you can.  20 randy old guys would be a breeze.   BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though.   — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

Response:

Say, the guy who was supposed to go down to Cape Lookout with me this coming weekend has to fly to Europe instead.  Lots of False Albacore and camping on the beach.  If you can get to Richmond by Thursday evening and bring your basic camping stuff, I have an extra Albacore rig and room in the car.  Just think! 20 randy old guys out on a spit of sand in the Atlantic and ONE woman!! (do you cook?)   BTW, The invitation is for reel! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who cares? You came on with all the same errors he did, so whether or not you’re him is immaterial to those of us who are or are studying to be assholes. Maybe you were twins separated at birth? …and I`m not leaving. Okay. Your Bug Not mine.  It can take years of good posts and good manners to make me mellow out.   For my first 5 years or so of electronic communications I was regarded as kindly and forgiving.  I got over it.  For the next 5 years or so, I only took out after the occasional user who reminded me of a horde of black flies.  I got over that, too.  Now I can take offense at mere gnats, if their timing is right and their promise is of growth. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

Response:

Rest Your case! Without further checking of the accuracy of your facts, this obviously proves that the asassinations were planned and performed by the same "Firm", maybe they should be a bit more inventious in their planning… There is a lawyer in the house, what do You say?? Coincidence #2: John Kennedy (Toole) wrote of a confederacy of dunces, You wrote of a confederacy against John (F) Kennedy… Weird world this! Stefan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you think that is weird, check out this; Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946. Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960. The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters. Both were particularly concerned with civil rights. Both wives lost their children while living in the White House. Both Presidents were shot on a Friday. Both were shot in the head. Lincoln’s secretary, Kennedy, warned him not to go to the theatre. Kennedy’s secretary, Lincoln, warned him not to go to Dallas. Both were assassinated by Southerners. Both were succeeded by Southerners. Both successors were named Johnson. Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908. John Wilkes Booth was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1939. Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names are comprised of fifteen letters Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse. Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater. Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials. Coincidence? Hardly… Your Bug

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away. Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink. Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly. Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream?

Response:

Who cares?   You came on with all the same errors he did, so whether or not you’re him is immaterial to those of us who are or are studying to be assholes. Maybe you were twins separated at birth?   …and I`m not leaving.

Okay. Your Bug

Not mine.  It can take years of good posts and good manners to make me mellow out.   For my first 5 years or so of electronic communications I was regarded as kindly and forgiving.  I got over it.  For the next 5 years or so, I only took out after the occasional user who reminded me of a horde of black flies.  I got over that, too.  Now I can take offense at mere gnats, if their timing is right and their promise is of growth. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

Response:

…and I`m not leaving.

Wow, are you pathetic.  You even went to the trouble of locating the incorrect apostrophe on your keyboard.  Really sad.

Response:

Nicely done. Though, in truth, you needn’t have bothered, as with the possible exception of Citizen Luser himself, everyone here knew he and "nolio" were one and the same pathetic moron f*ckwit… /daytripper (On him from the jump.)

It’s kind of like a sore festering under a bandage.  You know it’s ugly, but you just have to lift the bandage to look anyway. — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

Response:

find other posts from this gentleman. He lives in Iowa. However, he did make a purchase on eBay… In fact, do a search on Michael Collier, and see how common that name is. Admittedly, the coincidence is stunning. Very sloppy investigative work, though. You did not complete your research. You would get torn apart on cross-examination. Anyway, good luck, Bug. We will see how long you can withstand the constant affronts to your common sense. This is one weird place. — Citizen Fisherman I promote Waterloo rods www.waterloorods.com

Response:

Snookered again Collier, you whacko.

I’ve come across some pathetic losers on Usenet, but Collier takes the prize.

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away. Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink.   Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly.

Nicely done. Though, in truth, you needn’t have bothered, as with the possible exception of Citizen Luser himself, everyone here knew he and "nolio" were one and the same pathetic moron f*ckwit… /daytripper (On him from the jump.)

Response:

…and I`m not leaving. Your Bug

Response:

…and I`m not leaving. Your Bug

Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away.

Response:

…and I`m not leaving.

Your stuff is much more interesting than the cross posted environmental drivel.

Response:

…and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away.

Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink.   Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly. Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream? — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

Response:

Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream?

It’s pretty popular actually.  Not something you would want to eat all the time, but it can be pretty tasty!

Response:

Question:

Not Bill McNeese, but Dave McNeese.

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Adam, The clear intermediate slow sinking tropical lines are designed for fishing in the warm weather out of a boat. I would overline one size larger than your rod size so it will handle those larger flies better. I would use an SA/Mastery "Tarpon" monocore slow sinking clear WF10S on a #9 rod for your trip. I would also do the same thing with a WF10F Mastery "Tarpon" floater for poppers. Or you could put a WF11 on a #10 rod ? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

Hi Marilyn, Your response brought up one more question: My 9 wt is a Sage 3-pc saltwater RPLX (I think, it’s about 6 years old), and I am a reasonable caster, do you still recommend overlining the rod.  I’ve had my rods built by Bill McNeese (steelhead fisherman out of Seattle) and he has always told me to use the same wt line. Regards, Adam

Response:

For that kind of fishing I have been using the intermediate tip lines. made by everybody now and I use Cortland.  Really helps to load the line and when fishing with big streamers is really a help, especially when blind casting all day.

What are the casting qualities of an intermediate tipped line?  Does it hinge?  Do they do well in warm water. Do I have to bring it all the way to the boat.  My concern here is that as I fish the shore, will I be able to pick the line up and get it back to the shore the way one can do it with a floating line (ie, will I be able to keep the distance from the boat to shore relatively constant)?  About how deep will it go, do they have the regular 1-2"/minute sink rates? Thanks, Adam

Response:

Hi Adam, The clear intermediate slow sinking tropical lines are designed for fishing in the warm weather out of a boat. I would overline one size larger than your rod size so it will handle those larger flies better. I would use an SA/Mastery "Tarpon" monocore slow sinking clear WF10S on a #9 rod for your trip. I would also do the same thing with a WF10F Mastery "Tarpon" floater for poppers. Or you could put a WF11 on a #10 rod ? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going to Amazon to fly fish for peacock bass.  It has been suggested to use an intermediate sinking monocore line.  I’ll be casting large, but hopefully not too wind resistant streamers (6-8", made from Kinky Fibre Deceiver type-no feathers and poppers (1/2 to 3/4" closed foam cell heads).  I’ve never used this line and before I get one, I’d like to know the characteristics (pluses and minuses, if you will) of this line when used in warm water and largish flies.  Thanks, Adam —

Response:

Going to Amazon to fly fish for peacock bass.  It has been suggested to use an intermediate sinking monocore line.  I’ll be casting large, but hopefully not too wind resistant streamers (6-8", made from Kinky Fibre Deceiver type-no feathers and poppers (1/2 to 3/4" closed foam cell heads).  I’ve never used this line and before I get one, I’d like to know the characteristics (pluses and minuses, if you will) of this line when used in warm water and largish flies.  Thanks, Adam —

Response:

For that kind of fishing I have been using the intermediate tip lines.   made by everybody now and I use Cortland.  Really helps to load the line and when fishing with big streamers is really a help, especially when blind casting all day. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going to Amazon to fly fish for peacock bass.  It has been suggested to use an intermediate sinking monocore line.  I’ll be casting large, but hopefully not too wind resistant streamers (6-8", made from Kinky Fibre Deceiver type-no feathers and poppers (1/2 to 3/4" closed foam cell heads).  I’ve never used this line and before I get one, I’d like to know the characteristics (pluses and minuses, if you will) of this line when used in warm water and largish flies.  Thanks, Adam —

Response:

Question:

Hello, I’m new to this group and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Tim Apple, I’m from Rockford Illinois. I’ve been on only a few excursions lasting over a week(excluding my time in the army). Due to my work schedule, it’s mostly weekend trips. And most of my trips are usually by water cuz my true love is FlyFishing. But in general would go anywhere. Just wanted to say hello. Tim Apple "Is a mirage real? Well it’s a real mirage." – Ed Abbey

Response:

Hello, I’m new to this group and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Tim Apple, I’m from Rockford Illinois. I’ve been on only a few excursions lasting over a week(excluding my time in the army). Due to my work schedule, it’s mostly weekend trips. And most of my trips are usually by water cuz my true love is FlyFishing. But in general would go anywhere. Just wanted to say hello.

    Well, High. :^) Sam (Hi, Higher, Heist) Sands – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tim Apple "Is a mirage real? Well it’s a real mirage." – Ed Abbey

Response:

Hello Tim, If you find any good places to go, let me know.  My son and I are just starting to get into backpacking.  We are in the Dundee/Elgin area.  Rick. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’m new to this group and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Tim Apple, I’m from Rockford Illinois. I’ve been on only a few excursions lasting over a week(excluding my time in the army). Due to my work schedule, it’s mostly weekend trips. And most of my trips are usually by water cuz my true love is FlyFishing. But in general would go anywhere. Just wanted to say hello.     Well, High. :^) Sam (Hi, Higher, Heist) Sands Tim Apple "Is a mirage real? Well it’s a real mirage." – Ed Abbey

Response:

bye — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

Response:

Question:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy.     come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse:  you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal.     wayno, grinnin through his grits Been there done that. But have you ever sat in the cool evening and watched the heat lightning over the plains ? Or the wind rippling the tall corn stalks as far as the eye could see? On reflection we in this country are blessed with such a variety of climes and beauty and in such variation. As we have users from other countrys try to imagine someone from say Austria trying to imagine the true beauty of the Sonora or the heat, dampness and abundance of wildlife of the everglades. God we are wondrously lucky. Every place I’ve been I’ve seen beauty beyond my poor ability to express. (end of sermon)                                                            John Popp                                               in beautyfull Sanford Fl.

Hi John, Here in the Swansea Valley South Wales if you can see the other side of the valley then it’s going to rain , if you can’t see it then it *is* raining!. — Bill

Response:

Hi John, Here in the Swansea Valley South Wales if you can see the other side of the valley then it’s going to rain , if you can’t see it then it *is* raining!. — Bill

Picture this Bill, I have a couch on my front porch. A hard road is about 26-30′ from the house. There is a chain link fence seperating the front yard from the road, along the fence I’ve planted roses from cuttings of two rose plants my late mother in law raised. They are all pink and deep red. The road runs due east/west. In the evening as the sun sets they seem to be all aglow. During the summer rains if a northerly I can watch the rain paint a line as it advances over the road. Besides the roses we have honey suckle, cofederate jasmun, and several citrus trees other fruit trees and a huge magnolia. Sometimes in the mornings when it is still the smells of the flowers is like the perfume of the earth godess. I wax poetic about this simple 5 acres because we are going to sell it. I’ll miss it. It’s zoned Industrial and sombody will just bulldoze it down and probably build a cane fly rod factory.                                                            John Popp                                                           in Sanford Fl.

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi John, Here in the Swansea Valley South Wales if you can see the other side of the valley then it’s going to rain , if you can’t see it then it *is* raining!. — Bill Picture this Bill, I have a couch on my front porch. A hard road is about 26-30′ from the house. There is a chain link fence seperating the front yard from the road, along the fence I’ve planted roses from cuttings of two rose plants my late mother in law raised. They are all pink and deep red. The road runs due east/west. In the evening as the sun sets they seem to be all aglow. During the summer rains if a northerly I can watch the rain paint a line as it advances over the road. Besides the roses we have honey suckle, cofederate jasmun, and several citrus trees other fruit trees and a huge magnolia. Sometimes in the mornings when it is still the smells of the flowers is like the perfume of the earth godess. I wax poetic about this simple 5 acres because we are going to sell it. I’ll miss it. It’s zoned Industrial and sombody will just bulldoze it down and probably build a cane fly rod factory.                                                           John Popp                                                          in Sanford Fl.

Certainly a bit different from the Swansea Valley – good luck with the sale. — Bill

Response:

(poetic stuff snipped) I wax poetic about this simple 5 acres because we are going to sell it.

John – why are you selling, if I may ask.  Don’t tell me you’re moving up to North Carolina! Mark Faulkner

Response:

In the decades since, all I can say is that I only regret having missed out on my first 23 years of eating this ambrosia.   While there are certainly many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them.

Absolutely agree with your assesment of sausage gravy and biscuits. Have to disagree about poking fun at southern cooking. It is almost impossible to avoid grits, no matter WHAT you order for breakfast, you get grits. Grits with eggs, oatmeal, french toast, if you ordered eggs sardou and oysters on the half shell they’d bring you a bowl of grits ! If you do not want grits, and what yankee ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy. — Ken Fortenberry

Response:

(snipped) <<  While there are certainly many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them. Amen to that, Joe.  My favorite is red-eye gravy and gen-u-wine country ham.  Of course my doctor frowns on it, but what the hell. Dave LaCourse

Response:

(snip) <<If you do not want grits, and what yankee ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy. True, but grits do not have to be uneatable.  Go to the mill in Helen, Georgia, and ask for some Georgia Ice Cream.  I will guarantee you will go back for seconds.  Yep — they’re grits.  And while you are there, stop by Unicoi Outfitters — very nice fly shop next door. Dave LaCourse

Response:

many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them.

How about chicken fried steaks, fried okra, green beans cooked with ham, and red-eye (ham) gravy?  If I lived in the south instead of being an occasional visitor I would weigh about 400lb with a cholesterol level of about 600. Absolutely love southern cooking! George Adams

Response:

ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy.

    come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse:  you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal.     wayno, grinnin through his grits

Response:

<<come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse:  you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal.     wayno, grinnin through his grits Wayno, you finally got one wrong.  Make that Sugar Corn Pops instead of oatmeal. Dave, loving his Georgia Ice Cream

Response:

ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy.     come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse:  you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal.     wayno, grinnin through his grits

Been there done that. But have you ever sat in the cool evening and watched the heat lightning over the plains ? Or the wind rippling the tall corn stalks as far as the eye could see? On reflection we in this country are blessed with such a variety of climes and beauty and in such variation. As we have users from other countrys try to imagine someone from say Austria trying to imagine the true beauty of the Sonora or the heat, dampness and abundance of wildlife of the everglades. God we are wondrously lucky. Every place I’ve been I’ve seen beauty beyond my poor ability to express. (end of sermon)                                                             John Popp                                                in beautyfull Sanford Fl.

Response:

 But have you ever sat in the cool evening and watched the heat lightning over the plains ? Or the wind rippling the tall corn stalks as far as the eye could see? On reflection we in this country are blessed with such a variety of climes and beauty and in such variation. As we have users from other countrys try to imagine someone from say Austria trying to imagine the true beauty of the Sonora or the heat, dampness and abundance of wildlife of the everglades. God we are wondrously lucky. Every place I’ve been I’ve seen beauty beyond my poor ability to express. (end of sermon)                                                            John Popp                                               in beautyfull Sanford Fl.

        right on, john.  america the beautiful.  no cliche’. wayno

Response:

And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of: instructional materiel snipped OK Dave, I got a lot to learn in a couple months.  Now, I’m off to the range  - need some work on the new .454.  By the way, do you think that’s enough gun? Mark Faulkner

I’ve made a few cyberfriends on this N.G. I just hope they will still be around after the clave:-) — Bill

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Simplest way to speak southern is to not say much, and when you do remember that the modifier gets the emphasis, as in: *cold* drink, *red* light, *tee* vee, etc. — Charlie…       *very* important to remember these responses for when *anything* goes wrong:  like when you break off a 12" rainbow in hazel creek, or you lose your last "secret weapon" on a backcast into a poplar tree:       "well i be goddam!"; or, my particular favorite, " well i’ll be a sonaofabitch!" wayno, who’s had a lotta practice.

Not forgetting "Taw Son" and "Twll dyn pob Yankee"….how about that Wayne? Just a couple of phrases for those occasions when the dialectual emphasis is incorrect! — Bill

Response:

The Director writes:

(snipped) <*    Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store.  Do not buy food at this store.

Considering some of the things that they eat in the south, it’s probably best to bring it with you. Actually, you are wrong, very wrong.  Southern cooking is some of the finest I’ve ever had.  I will eat well at the ‘clave, and if Wayno does the pig roast, or fish fry, I will eat *extremely* well. My post was meant to be satirical — your’s is down right insulting.   Dave LaCourse

Response:

<*    Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store. Do not buy food at this store. Considering some of the things that they eat in the south, it’s probably best to bring it with you. Actually, you are wrong, very wrong.  Southern cooking is some of the finest I’ve ever had.  I will eat well at the ‘clave, and if Wayno does the pig roast, or fish fry, I will eat *extremely* well.

Despite being born, raised, and presently residing south of the Mason-Dixon line, my southern upbringing was woefully neglected in many respects.   Most relevent to this post, however, is the fact that I never once saw nor heard of sausage gravy until I was nigh on 23 years old.   Perhaps it was because my mother grew up on a poultry farm so fried chicken was far more often on the table than pig. Anyhow, I was driving a truck south to Georgia that year and stopped at a roadside diner (Stuckeys?) where I went for the breakfast buffet.   There among the "normal" foods was a whitish, somewhat gelatinous, unrecognizable glop whose purpose or enjoyment I couldn’t fathom.   I learned later that this was sausage gravy, commonly spooned over fresh biscuits.   Being a huge lover of sausage, gravy and biscuits in other forms, I endeavored to try this stuff at my next opportunity. In the decades since, all I can say is that I only regret having missed out on my first 23 years of eating this ambrosia.   While there are certainly many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them. Joe

Response:

In response to our colorful speech a close pal of mine responds is  a wet minner schlick! If you don’t no what a minner is, they will turn into fish later! Tim(Smokyfly)Doyle

Response:

—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– While in non-compliance with local decency ordinances the world over, *    If you run your car into a ditch, don’t panic. Four men in a four-wheel drive pickup truck with a 12 pack of beer and a tow chain will be along shortly. Don’t try to help them, just stay out of their way. This is what they live for.

If they jump your battery, they’ll also all be someone’s brother in law. Don’t ask me why, but it’s a nationwide phenomenon that you rarely get a jump from someone who isn’t someone else’s brother in law. *    Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store.  Do not buy food at this store.

Considering some of the things that they eat in the south, it’s probably best to bring it with you. *    Be advised that "He needed killin’" is a valid defense here.

Is the burden then on you to prove that he did in fact need it, or on the prosecutor to prove that the deceased was a fine man, a pillar of the community, kind to kids and dogs, etc? *    If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store.  It doesn’t matter whether you need  anything or not. You just have to go.

That’s what I like about the south. One little flake hits somewhere in Jaw-gia, and they have riots in Atlanta. *    Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught them how to aim.

HAH! Is that why you never shoot your deer past maybe 100 yards and maybe not even and you need dogs to chase them anyway? *    If you do settle in the south and bear children, don’t think they will accept them as southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the oven, we wouldn’t call ‘em biscuits.

Actually, you’re right. We’d call it "meatloaf." —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNtoklJdiUzdLFqlpAQHybgf8CLl/3ejh3nboAY1js1Ib+kxpBXeUnFGJ OQKOgMKxBtWwxIBjcbQfM8/hhfTLwFtQBEeiLr3KzH442O79nFFtLhyFQ4xRWypq EBSfK/KXdLfPv8PU0oCBPu/tc2+n25YgW+DOvppxDJMk2SaKg5maF7hn6Yn+vK2W 7arWxs/vW5J3PiU6k5BVhbfQst/oTNEyKW9i2QYtbWINHb6vu8oK0PEsJIXtgiWk WLAdLqh1M6mpNmqBfC5ewmKpjJRDqLcw2yNF8iRDJVh68gWobviz5kLfTH0rtrDc DmHTKETQVzIaKjxi9Z0hls6dWygVMwlarJgUYrtqPOimcHCEW77A3w== =iswu —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz Maybe my life belongs to me. Maybe it belongs to some god. I’ll be f***ed if it belongs to the government.

Response:

And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of:

instructional materiel snipped OK Dave, I got a lot to learn in a couple months.  Now, I’m off to the range  - need some work on the new .454.  By the way, do you think that’s enough gun? Mark Faulkner

Response:

*    Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying, they can’t understand you either.

Strange but true. An old college buddy from Illinois flew into Huntsville airport. Before we headed to Guntersville, which was dry, we went to the state store in Huntsville for supplies. He wanted to pay with a travelers check and asked the clerk if travelers checks were OK. She looked at him like he was speaking martian and asked him what did he say. Jim returned the same look. I had to translate. My wife insists I still retain a southern accent, I prefer to think I’m just a capable translater. — Ken Fortenberry

Response:

I have been married to two Southern gals, one for NC and the other from Georgia.  And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of: *    If you run your car into a ditch, don’t panic. Four men in a four-wheel drive pickup truck with a 12 pack of beer and a tow chain will be along shortly. Don’t try to help them, just stay out of their way. This is what they live for. *    Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store.  Do not buy food at this store. *    Remember: "Ya’ll" is singular, "All ya’ll" is plural, and "All y’all’s" is plural possessive. *    Get used to hearing "You ain’t from around here, are ya?" *    You may hear a Southerner say "Ought!" to a dog or child. This is short for "Y’all oughta not do that!" and is the equivalent of saying "No!" *    Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying, they can’t understand you either. *    The first Southern expression to creep into a transplanted Northerner’s vocabulary is the adjective "big ‘ol," as in "big  ’ol truck" or "big ‘ol boy".  Most Northerners begin their new Southern-influenced dialect this way. All of them are in denial about it. *    The proper pronunciation you learned in school is no longer proper. *    Be advised that "He needed killin’" is a valid defense here. *    If you hear a Southerner exclaim "Hey, y’all, watch this," stay out of the way. These are likely to be the last words he’ll ever say. *    If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store.  It doesn’t matter whether you need anything or not. You just have to go. *    When you come up on a person driving 15 mph down the middle of the road, remember that most folks learn to drive on a John Deere and that this is the proper speed and position for that vehicle. *    Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught them how to aim. *    In the south we have found that the best way to grow a lush, green lawn is to pour gravel on it and call it a driveway. *    If you do settle in the south and bear children, don’t think they will accept them as southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the oven, we wouldn’t call ‘em biscuits. Dave "my hat is clean" LaCourse

Response:

Simplest way to speak southern is to not say much, and when you do remember that the modifier gets the emphasis, as in: *cold* drink, *red* light, *tee* vee, etc. — Charlie…

Response:

Simplest way to speak southern is to not say much, and when you do remember that the modifier gets the emphasis, as in: *cold* drink, *red* light, *tee* vee, etc. — Charlie…

        *very* important to remember these responses for when *anything* goes wrong:  like when you break off a 12" rainbow in hazel creek, or you lose your last "secret weapon" on a backcast into a poplar tree:         "well i be goddam!"; or, my particular favorite, " well i’ll be a sonaofabitch!" wayno, who’s had a lotta practice.

Response:

On Sa        *very* important to remember these responses for when *anything* goes wrong:  like when you break off a 12" rainbow in hazel creek, or you lose your last "secret weapon" on a backcast into a poplar tree:         "well i be goddam!"; or, my particular favorite, " well i’ll be a sonaofabitch!" wayno, who’s had a lotta practice.

mumbled at least four times earlier today up on wilson’s creek. waldo —          The Blue Ridge Book Gallery      P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604       http://www.mercury.net/~wgwinter to view our ongoing auctions at Ebay, click below… http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=blue…

Response:

What’s the difference between Y’all and Ya’ll? I heerd it in Lecester. which sounds like Lester – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been married to two Southern gals, one for NC and the other from Georgia.  And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of: *    If you run your car into a ditch, don’t panic. Four men in a four-wheel drive pickup truck with a 12 pack of beer and a tow chain will be along shortly. Don’t try to help them, just stay out of their way. This is what they live for. *    Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store.  Do not buy food at this store. *    Remember: "Ya’ll" is singular, "All ya’ll" is plural, and "All y’all’s" is plural possessive. *    Get used to hearing "You ain’t from around here, are ya?" *    You may hear a Southerner say "Ought!" to a dog or child. This is short for "Y’all oughta not do that!" and is the equivalent of saying "No!" *    Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying, they can’t understand you either. *    The first Southern expression to creep into a transplanted Northerner’s vocabulary is the adjective "big ‘ol," as in "big  ’ol truck" or "big ‘ol boy".  Most Northerners begin their new Southern-influenced dialect this way. All of them are in denial about it. *    The proper pronunciation you learned in school is no longer proper. *    Be advised that "He needed killin’" is a valid defense here. *    If you hear a Southerner exclaim "Hey, y’all, watch this," stay out of the way. These are likely to be the last words he’ll ever say. *    If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store.  It doesn’t matter whether you need anything or not. You just have to go. *    When you come up on a person driving 15 mph down the middle of the road, remember that most folks learn to drive on a John Deere and that this is the proper speed and position for that vehicle. *    Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught them how to aim. *    In the south we have found that the best way to grow a lush, green lawn is to pour gravel on it and call it a driveway. *    If you do settle in the south and bear children, don’t think they will accept them as southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the oven, we wouldn’t call ‘em biscuits. Dave "my hat is clean" LaCourse

– Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish, goes home through the alley. Anonymous http://fish-n-net.com/

Response:

Question:

Dave, Vermont is open until Oct 26 and then there are many exceptions, ie. major Lake  Champlain tributaries can be fished up to the first dam, etc. year-round.  And  effective mid to late November there will be 6 major rivers open to C&R  through the winter making them year-round trout streams. James Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

Response:

Spike Haines writes:

<<I am flying into Boston, renting a car and spending the next two weeks meandering up highway 95 through Maine taking side trips to the coast and inland. Our purpose is sightseeing but I might be able to sneak in a little fly fishing.  Any recommendations for a "don’t miss" stream? Thanks in advance. Don’t get caught "inland" on a stream.  Season is over.  However you can still  fish in Mass and (I think!!!!!) New Hampshire. Dave LaCourse

Response:

Question:

I recently began tying dry fly wings with antron yarn. Antron is a very easy material to work with. It provides a good silhouette and rigid post for parachute patterns. Divided and down wings are easy to tie with little bulk making the tying of smaller flies simpler with better proportion as well. Comparaduns are a breeze. Antron wings look aesthetically pleasing and appear to be somewhat translucent and light reflective at the same time. In short, antron seems too good to be true. Being that it’s -30  C outside as I write this, it is unlikely I will be able to test these flies for a few months yet. In the meantime, I’d like to tie flyboxes full of antron dries, but before I go whole hog on antron, I need to know if they fish as good as they look. Thanks Guy

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently began tying dry fly wings with antron yarn. Antron is a very easy material to work with. It provides a good silhouette and rigid post for parachute patterns. Divided and down wings are easy to tie with little bulk making the tying of smaller flies simpler with better proportion as well. Comparaduns are a breeze. Antron wings look aesthetically pleasing and appear to be somewhat translucent and light reflective at the same time. In short, antron seems too good to be true. Being that it’s -30  C outside as I write this, it is unlikely I will be able to test these flies for a few months yet. In the meantime, I’d like to tie flyboxes full of antron dries, but before I go whole hog on antron, I need to know if they fish as good as they look. Thanks Guy

Guy, I tried a similar tactic a couple of years ago using Orvis poly-wing material (usually used for spinner wings) which isn’t too different from antron.  Being a rather impatient and lazy tier I found this material easy and fast to use for tying upright wings. As a wing post for parachute patterns I found it worked well and fished as effectively as any other parachute patterns. I had the most hope for Comparaduns tied with this material because I fish them a lot, again partly because of the ease and speed of tying. However, these were not very effective at all.  During the summer of ‘95 I tried Comparaduns tied with this material alongside the standards and for some yet undetermined reason they just were not as effective.  This was not a very scientific experiment because of limited trips and I didn’t have any friends try them; so take my findings for whatever they are worth.  They were tried for the Hendrickson, Sulfur and various BWO hatches. I would encourage you to tie enough antron Comparaduns for an experiment and please let me know how they fish. Good luck, Steve

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently began tying dry fly wings with antron yarn. Antron is a very to tie flyboxes full of antron dries, but before I go whole hog on antron, I need to know if they fish as good as they look. I use antron on wet flies with partridge or hen soft hackle.  The flies are a real killer.  The antron seems to trap air bubbles and looks traslucent to the fish (more life like I suppose).  I catch some big fish on them. -Burton

DEAR BURTON: Would you send me a small sample of this new material to look at? Gehrke’s Gink Snake River – Hell’s Canyon Asotin, WA 99402 Would appreciate it. George — MZ

Response:

I recently began tying dry fly wings with antron yarn. Antron is a very to tie flyboxes full of antron dries, but before I go whole hog on antron, I need to know if they fish as good as they look.

I use antron on wet flies with partridge or hen soft hackle.  The flies are a real killer.  The antron seems to trap air bubbles and looks traslucent to the fish (more life like I suppose).  I catch some big fish on them. -Burton

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use antron on wet flies with partridge or hen soft hackle.  The flies are a real killer.  The antron seems to trap air bubbles and looks traslucent to the fish (more life like I suppose).  I catch some big fish on them. -Burton DEAR BURTON: Would you send me a small sample of this new material to look at? Gehrke’s Gink Snake River – Hell’s Canyon Asotin, WA 99402 Would appreciate it. George

George: you can probably find a sample under your feet – it’s a pretty common synthetic carpet fibre that’s been used for flytying for at least 5 years or more. You’ll also find it sold as "sparkle yarn", etc… I’m actually surprised you never heard of this stuff (and that you didn’t invent it! ;^) Cheers! /dave

Response:

Went through an antron phase a couple of years ago. Overall the dries that I tied fished OK its hard to say whether or not they made a real difference. I think that the smaller flies that I tied worked well with antron wings. These were small gnats size 22 and 24. Antron wings are killer on wet flies though.

Response:

I use antron on wet flies with partridge or hen soft hackle.  The flies are a real killer.  The antron seems to trap air bubbles and looks traslucent to the fish (more life like I suppose).  I catch some big fish on them.

Burton, Try a rib of pearlescent krystal flash on some of them, especially the darker olives.  I swing these at last light.  They seem to almost glow. I really love fishing soft hackles. Ross Wilson

Response:

Went through an antron phase a couple of years ago. Overall the dries that I tied fished OK its hard to say whether or not they made a real difference. I think that the smaller flies that I tied worked well with antron wings. These were small gnats size 22 and 24. Antron wings are killer on wet flies though.

Dear Sir; I concurr.  I really think antron used for wings, caddis stuff, emergent mayflies, midges and trailing shucks is great.  For shucks, instead of the more coarse Z-lon for the small flies, I use regular fine antron yarn and then use a heated metal wire to cause there to be consistent convolutions in the peeling "shuck". JB

Response:

I use antron on wet flies with partridge or hen soft hackle.  The flies Burton, Try a rib of pearlescent krystal flash on some of them, especially the darker olives.  I swing these at last light.  They seem to almost glow. I really love fishing soft hackles. Ross Wilson

Ross, So do I!  I find myself doing it more and more these days, since it allows me to cast which I find relaxing.  As opposed to my chuck-and-duck nymphing with heavy weighted flies. Thanks for the tip, I’ll tie up a few and try them. -Burton

Response:

Being that it’s -30  C outside as I write this, it is unlikely I will be able to test these flies for a few months yet. In the meantime, I’d like to tie flyboxes full of antron dries, but before I go whole hog on antron, I need to know if they fish as good as they look.

See, that’s just the kind of Sunday fly-fishing mentality that’s getting the sport a bad name! Andrew (-: – I’ve been tying wings with antron for several years now, and the fish seem to think it’s OK.

Response:

George, -Sure, glad to do it!  What color would you prefer?  I find it most useful= =20 for wet fly caddis imitations and to wit think I have lt. brown,=20 blue-grey, yellow, grey and lt. olive (maybe even dark olive). -Burton =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use antron on wet flies with partridge or hen soft hackle.  The flies are a real killer.  The antron seems to trap air bubbles and looks traslucent to the fish (more life like I suppose).  I catch some big fi= sh on them. =20 DEAR BURTON: =20 Would you send me a small sample of this new material to look at? =20 Gehrke’s Gink Snake River – Hell’s Canyon Asotin, WA 99402 =20 Would appreciate it. =20 George –=20 MZ=90 =20 =20

Response:

I chop up sections of this and mix it with other dubbing materials for wet flies. I used one like this at the end of the season and it was destroyed by several large fish. Needless to say my vise has been crankin these out ! — "The true Angler is content to fish alone" Brian Di Carlo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently began tying dry fly wings with antron yarn. Antron is a very to tie flyboxes full of antron dries, but before I go whole hog on antron, I need to know if they fish as good as they look. I use antron on wet flies with partridge or hen soft hackle.  The flies are a real killer.  The antron seems to trap air bubbles and looks traslucent to the fish (more life like I suppose).  I catch some big fish on them. -Burton

Response:

Question:

Of all the streams I fish in the great upper peninsula of michigan, the trout only seem to bite spinners and worms. I truly enjoy flyfishing rivers over spincasting, and was wondering if anyone fishes the u.p. with flyrods that can give me some tips. Thanks- Muskie

Response:

I haven’t fished the U.P. (I have a buddy from near Houghton who threatens to take me, but that is another story).  Anyway, I can sympathize.  I grew up fishing in N.E. Minnesota (on the other side of Lake Superior) and found the same problems.  Most of the streams were small and choked with cedars, spuce, or alders.  The only spots open enough to fly fish seemed devoid of cover, and of course were devoid of fish. But keep searching..you will soon find that spot with both cover (shade) and casting room.  Try larger streams and look for boulders and plunge pools below rapids and falls.  Searching is all the fun.  Who other that a trout fisherman would spend hours slugging through brush, mud, and mosquitoes for hours to catch a 7-inch trophy. Tight Lines – Zeke

Response:

Dear Muskie: When you refer to the U.P., you are talking about God’s country, which was also shared by the great Robert Traver.  I have spent a great deal of my youth and later years fishing the streams in the Central U.P..  The fly fishing is fine, and some of the best to be found anywhere. Streamers work especially well.  Try a Royal Coachmen, Muddler, or Black Ghost for good results.  The tried and true G.R. Hares Ear Nymph is a favorite, as well as a good selection of Bead Heads, and Zud Bugs.  No one should also venture out without a supply of Adams dry flies ranging in sizes from #12 to #20, also for a pattern to explore with, try a Betty (also called a Coachmen Trude).  The March Brown hatch can be spectacular, and takes place around the end of June through the first part of July, so carry some March Brown patterns. Just returned from two weeks in the U.P., and while the weather was not always spectacular, the fishing was good. Good Luck, Jim J.

Response:

Question:

In a couple of weeks I’m going to British Columbia (Chilko Lake/Tsy-los park). One of the fishing opportunities there is fishing on a mountain lake for Dolly Varden. I’ve been told to bring a sinking line. I have never used a sinking line and find there are a wide variety of brands and sink rates available. Can anyone advise me on which line type would be the best for this setting? Thanks! Steve Rosenblum

Response:

In a couple of weeks I’m going to British Columbia (Chilko Lake/Tsy-los park). One of the fishing opportunities there is fishing on a mountain lake for Dolly Varden. I’ve been told to bring a sinking line. I have never used a sinking line and find there are a wide variety of brands and sink rates available. Can anyone advise me on which line type would be the best for this setting? Thanks! Steve Rosenblum

Hi Steve! Depends on the depth–and this is no wisecrack answer.  A lot of my lake fishing is done in water less than 8 feet deep and I like to fish out a cast.  So, my favorite lake sinking line is a slow sink (I think scientific Anglers calls it an imtermediate line.I can use this line because I generally dont fish deep lakes when the water is warm and the fish less active.  If you fish deeper you need a line with a faster sink rate.  The make a bunch of them. If I were guessing, I would go for a wet cel II line–it will get down relatively fast, but dont plan on fishing 30 feet down with it!! Also, I prefer full sinking lines for lake fishing–personal preference, but I fish slow and deep and sinking tip lines tend to drag with the wind across the top of the water. Best Luck!! Paul

Response:

In a couple of weeks I’m going to British Columbia (Chilko Lake/Tsy-los park). One of the fishing opportunities there is fishing on a mountain lake for Dolly Varden. I’ve been told to bring a sinking line. I have never used a sinking line and find there are a wide variety of brands and sink rates available. Can anyone advise me on which line type would be the best for this setting?

Hi Steve, I like to use a type II sinking line for fishing around 10 ft. deep, a type III for 10 to 15 and a type V (don’t do this often) for 20+ ft. of depth.  Of course, I am kind of impatient and I hate long countdowns to get to the fish.   Keep in mind that the speed of the retrieve you use will also have an effect on how deep your fly actually swims.   A quickly retrieved type III will often fish at the same depth as a slow to medium retrieve on a type II.  See if you can find out the depth that you will most often be fishing at this lake (not the depth of the lake, but rather the depth you will fish), and make your choice from there.                           Good Fishing,                               Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

Response:

Question:

I have done only a little flyfishing.  I just bought a cheapo Berkley flyfishing kit with a 7 1/2 foot rod which came with #6 double taper line.  When I use it, the line slams into the water like a log.  I remember when I was younger, I tried out my Dad’s flyrod which was made of bamboo and used level line.  I could make it lay down on the water real nice.   What is my biggest problem, the rod or the line.  If I switch to a better or different line will that help.  I normally fish on small waters like the Owens River above Bishop, CA. Mark Rubin — This is a test of the signature file.  Had this been a real sigature file, it would contain cute graphics and a catchy phrase.  This is only a test…

Response:

I have done only a little flyfishing.  I just bought a cheapo Berkley flyfishing kit with a 7 1/2 foot rod which came with #6 double taper line.  When I use it, the line slams into the water like a log.

Hi Mark-     You might try casting the line toward the tree line rather than the horizon or worse yet, the water. When the line straightens out, follow the line with your rod tip as the line settles to the water. This should soften the landing. Also you might try some roll casts that direct the fly into the air rather than attempting to nail it to the water ar trying for max distance.   Despite what the pictures in the magazines show, casting is not nearly as important your ability to mend and control line once it’s on the water.Try not casting at all! Spend some time simply drifting your fly downstream and steer it into fishy spots by practicing your mends. You will quickly find that a longer rod is easier to mend with because it keeps you farther from the fish and it picks up more line from the water.    Good luck and soft landings-Ralph

Response:

Also, as a new fly fisherperson, I’ve found that the cast comes off better when it is done "almost willfully slowly." And it is even better yet when I’m not thinking about it. My suggestion would be to slow down a lot and see what happens. Also start with shorter casts and work up. My limited experience has shown that most fishing on streams is done in the 15 to 30 foot range . . . sometimes closer. My friend "Doc" keeps telling me "less line" and it is beginning to sink in. Really the best deal would be to spend even 15 minutes with a competent flyfisher . . . who can tell you what is going wrong. Your casting can improve a million percent in even that short amount of time. Bob Vorel

Response:

First of all if you havent ever been to VanCampens I strongly suggest that you check it out because the Trout there are BIG and beutiful…..(Browns,Rainbows,Brook…..and its in the Del. Water.Gap) Anway I was wondering….I am a novice Fly-Fisherman and I want to know what Flies I should be using between hatches on this and other coldwater streams….and what will attract them even when they are not really that hungry….. Any Info you can give me on Flies that usually hatch up there or Flies that work would be greatly appreciated….. Thanks Matt,

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   I have done only a little flyfishing.  I just bought a cheapo Berkley   flyfishing kit with a 7 1/2 foot rod which came with #6 double taper line.    When I use it, the line slams into the water like a log.  Hi Mark- <snip      Despite what the pictures in the magazines show, casting is not nearly  as important your ability to mend and control line once it’s on the  water.Try not casting at all! Spend some time simply drifting your fly  downstream and steer it into fishy spots by practicing your mends.     Good luck and soft landings-Ralph

Good advice indeed, although if I may add a small contribution … Being more a lake angler that the faster water, the Lake Trout of NZ would be long gone, unless they were deep water dwellers, with a noisy line entry such as Mark is describing. I have spent many many hours perfecting my casting (as well as retrieving .. <grin) whilst not actually having been anywhere near the water. I found it invaluable to practice on my own (without annoying fellow anglers, or scaring the fish) in the back yard or local park and to learn to *air* cast ( rather than rip) blind in order to become not only accurate, but to lay out a effecient, long and delicate roll when stalking the elusive NZ Rainbow. Casting practice is also invaluable when sandwiched on both sides by equally feverish anglers, or faced with an annoying and pesky breeze blowing over your right shoulder. Not for the faint hearted, nor inexperienced .. <grin Regards .. Tim.D Wellington, New Zealand.

Response:

Too muchfalse casting is a detrriment to accurcacy. I roll the line foward,pick it up and cast it out with one or at the most two false casts. I slight lifting motion to get the line off the water helps too. Practice or get Joan Wulff’s video or both will help. Call my radio show any Sat. morning from 6-7am eastern time toll free at 1-800-298-8255 and tell us how you are doing. Tight lines, The Fishin’ Zone Steve Sloan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also, as a new fly fisherperson, I’ve found that the cast comes off better  when it is done "almost willfully slowly." And it is even better yet when  I’m not thinking about it. My suggestion would be to slow down a lot and  see what happens. Also start with shorter casts and work up. My limited  experience has shown that most fishing on streams is done in the 15 to 30  foot range . . . sometimes closer. My friend "Doc" keeps telling me "less  line" and it is beginning to sink in. Really the best deal would be to spend even 15 minutes with a competent  flyfisher . . . who can tell you what is going wrong. Your casting can  improve a million percent in even that short amount of time. Bob Vorel

Response:

Question:

Hello to all, I am planning a vacation for next year and would like to get some information about FF in Belize.  I am considering a combination of FF and SCUBA diving and have concluded that the Turneffe Lodge would be able to accommedate my needs. Could anyone please provide + – information about FF or SCUBA in the country of Belize. Thank you for your time —         Mark A. Covian         Denver, CO

Response:

Hello to all, I am planning a vacation for next year and would like to get some information about FF in Belize.  I am considering a combination of FF and SCUBA diving and have concluded that the Turneffe Lodge would be able to accommedate my needs.

Wow, underwater flycasting! (couldn’t resist <g) — Blair Sharpe Ottawa, ON, Canada

Response:

Mark I just got back form Belize last spring.  I dove and flyfished.  THe flyfishing guides real expensive but I managed to chase bonefish on some of the keys off of Placentia.  I also had a lot of fun chasing Jacks in some of the smaller lagoons.  I had a blast. If youhave questions give me a call 213 461-34222

Response: