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This week a fisherman in Beaufort Inlet near Harker’s Island reported catching an Octopus on a fly.  He didn’t give out his secret octopus pattern but you can rest assured the guides are already mounting ad campaigns for octopus fishing, Orvis is developing a special octopus rod, and Scientific Anglers  has an octopus line in the works.  This time next year there will be several books out on octopus fly patterns and videos on octopus fly presentations. Have a look at: http://fishmojo.com/cgi-bin/noteboards/harkers.cgi Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!!

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This week a fisherman in Beaufort Inlet near Harker’s Island reported catching an Octopus on a fly.  He didn’t give out his secret octopus pattern but you can rest assured the guides are already mounting ad campaigns for octopus fishing, Orvis is developing a special octopus rod, and Scientific Anglers  has an octopus line in the works.  This time next year there will be several books out on octopus fly patterns and videos on octopus fly presentations. Have a look at: http://fishmojo.com/cgi-bin/noteboards/harkers.cgi Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!!

Good.  Catch ‘em all and kill ‘em.  Octopi once had a well deserved reputation for being vicious, grasping, and rapacious.  "Scientists" (well known for their comsymp leftist leanings) have gone to great lengths…..some might say EXTRAORDINARY lengths….to "rehabilitate" them in the popular image for some decades now, and with not a little success.  But there are still those of us with a clarity of vision not in the least diminished by the blandishments of our corrupt cognoscenti "comrades".  The careful observer, unfazed by the clamoring and yammering of the proletariat rabble will not be immune to the obvious symbolism of the octopus’s eight slithering sucking arms radiating from a "central governing body", nor to the significance of it’s disgusting and cowardly habit of escaping under the cover of an obfuscating ink screen like so many pinko "journalists", rather than standing up and fighting like a man.  Shit, one good marine could open up a HUGE can of whupass on hundreds of them slimy little clam eating bastards!  And don’t even get me started on them chicom urchins just loafing around on the seafloor when they oughta all be put in a workhouse where they could be doing something productive rather than just sucking on the taxpayers tit, like we did when I was a ki…..um…….well, just DON’T!     Wolfgang i got a list here in my pocket!

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Now there is one taxidermy mount you will never see…..at least nobody’s wife would ever allow it displayed in the home!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This week a fisherman in Beaufort Inlet near Harker’s Island reported catching an Octopus on a fly.  He didn’t give out his secret octopus pattern but you can rest assured the guides are already mounting ad campaigns for octopus fishing, Orvis is developing a special octopus rod, and Scientific Anglers  has an octopus line in the works.  This time next year there will be several books out on octopus fly patterns and videos on octopus fly presentations. Have a look at: http://fishmojo.com/cgi-bin/noteboards/harkers.cgi Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!!

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Wolfgang notes: "Scientists" (well known for their comsymp leftist leanings) have gone to great lengths…..some might say EXTRAORDINARY lengths….to "rehabilitate" them in the popular image…..

<much good humor snipped ….yeah, I think I read about that in the NY Times……or was it the Washington Post?                              Tom

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Geez, Wolfy!  I did not know octopi were that bad, honestly.  Not did I know anyone could have such a vengeance against them.  It makes me look not so bad with my vengeance against grass carp. Please, enlighten me (seriously).  I have never had any kind of run-in with an octopus before.  What do they do?  Are we talking Captain Nemo and "2000 Leagues Under the Sea" kind of bad, or are they harming the fish? I can picture one mounted with its legs straight out and used as a coat rack. Scott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This week a fisherman in Beaufort Inlet near Harker’s Island reported catching an Octopus on a fly.  He didn’t give out his secret octopus pattern but you can rest assured the guides are already mounting ad campaigns for octopus fishing, Orvis is developing a special octopus rod, and Scientific Anglers  has an octopus line in the works.  This time next year there will be several books out on octopus fly patterns and videos on octopus fly presentations. Have a look at: http://fishmojo.com/cgi-bin/noteboards/harkers.cgi Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!! Good.  Catch ‘em all and kill ‘em.  Octopi once had a well deserved reputation for being vicious, grasping, and rapacious.  "Scientists" (well known for their comsymp leftist leanings) have gone to great lengths…..some might say EXTRAORDINARY lengths….to "rehabilitate" them in the popular image for some decades now, and with not a little success.  But there are still those of us with a clarity of vision not in the least diminished by the blandishments of our corrupt cognoscenti "comrades".  The careful observer, unfazed by the clamoring and yammering of the proletariat rabble will not be immune to the obvious symbolism of the octopus’s eight slithering sucking arms radiating from a "central governing body", nor to the significance of it’s disgusting and cowardly habit of escaping under the cover of an obfuscating ink screen like so many pinko "journalists", rather than standing up and fighting like a man.  Shit, one good marine could open up a HUGE can of whupass on hundreds of them slimy little clam eating bastards!  And don’t even get me started on them chicom urchins just loafing around on the seafloor when they oughta all be put in a workhouse where they could be doing something productive rather than just sucking on the taxpayers tit, like we did when I was a ki…..um…….well, just DON’T!     Wolfgang i got a list here in my pocket!

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Geez, Wolfy!  I did not know octopi were that bad, honestly.  Not did I know anyone could have such a vengeance against them.  It makes me look not so bad with my vengeance against grass carp. Please, enlighten me (seriously).  I have never had any kind of run-in with an octopus before.  What do they do?  Are we talking Captain Nemo and "2000 Leagues Under the Sea" kind of bad, or are they harming the fish?

Well, aside from their aforementioned leftist tendencies, they seem pretty bastards……they ALWAYS SEEM harmless……till it’s too late! I can picture one mounted with its legs straight out and used as a coat rack.

Yep, oughta have one in the lobby of every VFW and Legion post! Wolfgang

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez, Wolfy!  I did not know octopi were that bad, honestly.  Not did I know anyone could have such a vengeance against them.  It makes me look not so bad with my vengeance against grass carp. Please, enlighten me (seriously).  I have never had any kind of run-in with an octopus before.  What do they do?  Are we talking Captain Nemo and "2000 Leagues Under the Sea" kind of bad, or are they harming the fish? Well, aside from their aforementioned leftist tendencies, they seem pretty bastards……they ALWAYS SEEM harmless……till it’s too late! I can picture one mounted with its legs straight out and used as a coat rack. Yep, oughta have one in the lobby of every VFW and Legion post! Wolfgang

LOL! Scott

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This week a fisherman in Beaufort Inlet near Harker’s Island reported catching an Octopus on a fly.

I remember being called by my daughter when she was about 13 and we were all snorkelling in greece.  I swam over and she pointed. She, in her mask and snorkel, was staring at an octopus, which, quite clearly, was just as interested and curious as she was. They hovered closer and closer, looked at each other, then the octopus swam away, stopping every so often to look back. I’ve found it hard to eat the critters ever since. Wayne, this of course was post-Junta Greece. The colonels wouldn’t have tolerated the liberal scum in their waters. Lazarus

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I can picture one mounted with its legs straight out and used as a coat rack.

 It could be the center of a mobile,  your other mounted trophies hanging from the tips of it’s tenticals.

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/daytripper (Cripes, I’d have to Google "PHP" just to find out if that’s some kind of pig tranquilizer or software!

Freakin’ chiphead. Got time to check out the Nissitisset Friday AM?  I have to be in Andover at 2ish and was going to try to be on the river from say 7-12 or so…

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/daytripper (Cripes, I’d have to Google "PHP" just to find out if that’s some kind of pig tranquilizer or software! Freakin’ chiphead.

Been called a lot worse Got time to check out the Nissitisset Friday AM?  I have to be in Andover at 2ish and was going to try to be on the river from say 7-12 or so…

Ya know, there’s actually a possibility I could do that, and maybe drag Paul along as well. Stay in touch during the week and we’ll see how things develop. I’ll give Paul a ring and let him know what’s up. Forecast is for overcast and cool 50’s. Sounds good! /daytripper (NH season ends this weekend. Without me. Rats!)

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Daytripper, Thank you. I was able to retrieve a tab delimited text file of a USGS site at:

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ny/nwis/uv?dd_cd=04&format=rdb&period=1&sit… 427500 However, when I retreive let’s say – one day – of this data – I get the data every fifteen minutes or about 96 records. All I want is the *real time* data of *one*record each and every time a user wants that file without the previous records of the past 23 hours and 45 minutes. Is there any way to filter out all other data except for the last – or better – *current* record of data.

Sounds like a job for PHP dude.  Just loop through the records parsing off the flow and keep the last one you see before hitting EOF. –Stan (always up for brute force solutions)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Daytripper, Thank you. I was able to retrieve a tab delimited text file of a USGS site at: http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ny/nwis/uv?dd_cd=04&format=rdb&period=1&sit… 427500 However, when I retreive let’s say – one day – of this data – I get the data every fifteen minutes or about 96 records. All I want is the *real time* data of *one*record each and every time a user wants that file without the previous records of the past 23 hours and 45 minutes. Is there any way to filter out all other data except for the last – or better – *current* record of data. Please advise and thanks for your time.

Tony, I haven’t seen a way to get just the one record that you request.   However, if your able to parse the data in the format suggested by Daytripper, you should be able to quickly parse all 96 records and find the most recent entry.  I don’t know what PHP has to offer, but you could sort the data based upon the time and read the one entry.  You could also try reading the first record at the end of the file. the info you desire.  They are pretty good guys to work with, or at least they used to be.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Daytripper, Thank you. I was able to retrieve a tab delimited text file of a USGS site at: http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ny/nwis/uv?dd_cd=04&format=rdb&period=1&sit… 427500 However, when I retreive let’s say – one day – of this data – I get the data every fifteen minutes or about 96 records. All I want is the *real time* data of *one*record each and every time a user wants that file without the previous records of the past 23 hours and 45 minutes. Is there any way to filter out all other data except for the last – or better – *current* record of data. Please advise and thanks for your time. Tony, I haven’t seen a way to get just the one record that you request. However, if your able to parse the data in the format suggested by Daytripper, you should be able to quickly parse all 96 records and find the most recent entry.  I don’t know what PHP has to offer, but you could sort the data based upon the time and read the one entry.  You could also try reading the first record at the end of the file. the info you desire.  They are pretty good guys to work with, or at least they used to be.

Goddamnit!  Hey Wayno!  What the hell are these guys doing?  Are they calling us bad names or what?    :( Wolfgang boy……they just better not be!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Daytripper, Thank you. I was able to retrieve a tab delimited text file of a USGS site at: http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ny/nwis/uv?dd_cd=04&format=rdb&period=1&sit… 427500 However, when I retreive let’s say – one day – of this data – I get the data every fifteen minutes or about 96 records. All I want is the *real time* data of *one*record each and every time a user wants that file without the previous records of the past 23 hours and 45 minutes. Is there any way to filter out all other data except for the last – or better – *current* record of data. Please advise and thanks for your time. Tony Ritter

Whew! It’s unnerving to see my handle as the subject. And tagged with an exclamation point, no less! (First reaction: "Oh shit! WTF did I say this time?" You’ll do better to use Stan and "Bouncer" to get you through parsing web data.  I’m a hardware guy with just enough software and networks knowledge to be a pita to sysops everywhere… /daytripper (Cripes, I’d have to Google "PHP" just to find out if that’s some kind of pig tranquilizer or software!

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Daytripper, Thank you. I was able to retrieve a tab delimited text file of a USGS site at: http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ny/nwis/uv?dd_cd=04&format=rdb&period=1&sit… 427500 However, when I retreive let’s say – one day – of this data – I get the data every fifteen minutes or about 96 records. All I want is the *real time* data of *one*record each and every time a user wants that file without the previous records of the past 23 hours and 45 minutes. Is there any way to filter out all other data except for the last – or better – *current* record of data. Please advise and thanks for your time. Tony Ritter

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please include the link that you mentioned in your post below. Couldn’t find it in your original post. I sent another message earlier this morning and an email already!  Here is the link one more time. http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/sw Rock, Thanks for the reply. I went to the URL that you mentioned and I’m still baffled. For example, here is a station I would like: 01427510 If I go the USGS website and query this station, I get the whole page (html – graphics) along with other information which I do not need. All I need is the following data string… 01427510  DELAWARE RIVER AT CALLICOON NY   10/07 17:30  3.14  1,210 1,285  –  17.2 Would I have to use a PHP regexp function to match the pattern I’m looking for in the string to weed out the extraneous information on that page or is there a straight CSV file from the USGS for this station? Please advise. Thank you. Tony Ritter You can get a tab-delimited data file by clicking in the right places, perfect for importing into Excel (for instance). It has a bit of header cruft but there’s enough formatting to be easily filtered to extract the data and ignore the cruft… An abbreviated example, taken from a smallish Maine river that I’m familiar with (the actual file had a month worth of data taken every 15 minutes): # The data you have obtained from this automated # U.S. Geological Survey database have not received # Director’s approval and as such are provisional # and subject to revision.  The data are released # on the condition that neither the USGS nor the # United States Government may be held liable for # any damages resulting from its use. # # Additional information can be obtained from the USGS at #   http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nh/nwis/help/?provisional # # # This file consists of tab-separated columns of data # The columns include the following fields # # column        column definition # agency_cd     Agency collection or maintaining the site # site_no       USGS site identification number # datetime      date and time in ISO format (YYYY-mm-dd HH:MM:SS) # # The remaining fields vary for each site.  The field names # uniquely define sensor (the ‘data descriptor’) and  the # used to collect the data used to collect the data # and the 5 number sequence is the ‘parameter_cd’ # that defines the type of data shown in the column. # # # Data for the following stations is contained in this file #  USGS 01052500 Diamond River near Wentworth Location, NH # # # # # # List of available data for this site.  Lines preceeded by # an asterix ‘*’ are included in the data file. # #  DD parameter – Description # *01   00060   – DISCHARGE, CUBIC FEET PER SECOND #  03   00065   – GAGE HEIGHT, FEET # agency_cd       site_no datetime        01_00060 /daytripper

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RockTrout: Please include the link that you mentioned in your post below. Couldn’t find it in your original post. Thank you. Tony Ritter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:59 PM Does anybody know if there is a source where I can get a csv – or comma separated file – from the USGS for particular stations on rivers in New York State. I don’t want to open a js pop up window of that particular USGS station but want to open their URL or FTP and use PHP to parse the data string into an array for output. Use this link and work your way to the appropriate stations.  You can obtain historical data in this fashion.

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Please include the link that you mentioned in your post below. Couldn’t find it in your original post.

I sent another message earlier this morning and an email already!  Here is the link one more time. http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/sw

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Rock, Thanks for the reply. I went to the URL that you mentioned and I’m still baffled. For example, here is a station I would like: 01427510 If I go the USGS website and query this station, I get the whole page (html – graphics) along with other information which I do not need. All I need is the following data string… 01427510  DELAWARE RIVER AT CALLICOON NY   10/07 17:30  3.14  1,210 1,285  –  17.2 Would I have to use a PHP regexp function to match the pattern I’m looking for in the string to weed out the extraneous information on that page or is there a straight CSV file from the USGS for this station? Please advise. Thank you. Tony Ritter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please include the link that you mentioned in your post below. Couldn’t find it in your original post. I sent another message earlier this morning and an email already!  Here is the link one more time. http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/sw

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please include the link that you mentioned in your post below. Couldn’t find it in your original post. I sent another message earlier this morning and an email already!  Here is the link one more time. http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/sw Rock, Thanks for the reply. I went to the URL that you mentioned and I’m still baffled. For example, here is a station I would like: 01427510 If I go the USGS website and query this station, I get the whole page (html – graphics) along with other information which I do not need. All I need is the following data string… 01427510  DELAWARE RIVER AT CALLICOON NY   10/07 17:30  3.14  1,210 1,285  –  17.2 Would I have to use a PHP regexp function to match the pattern I’m looking for in the string to weed out the extraneous information on that page or is there a straight CSV file from the USGS for this station? Please advise. Thank you. Tony Ritter

You can get a tab-delimited data file by clicking in the right places, perfect for importing into Excel (for instance). It has a bit of header cruft but there’s enough formatting to be easily filtered to extract the data and ignore the cruft… An abbreviated example, taken from a smallish Maine river that I’m familiar with (the actual file had a month worth of data taken every 15 minutes): # The data you have obtained from this automated # U.S. Geological Survey database have not received # Director’s approval and as such are provisional # and subject to revision.  The data are released # on the condition that neither the USGS nor the # United States Government may be held liable for # any damages resulting from its use. # # Additional information can be obtained from the USGS at #   http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nh/nwis/help/?provisional # # # This file consists of tab-separated columns of data # The columns include the following fields # # column        column definition # agency_cd     Agency collection or maintaining the site # site_no       USGS site identification number # datetime      date and time in ISO format (YYYY-mm-dd HH:MM:SS) # # The remaining fields vary for each site.  The field names # uniquely define sensor (the ‘data descriptor’) and  the # used to collect the data used to collect the data # and the 5 number sequence is the ‘parameter_cd’ # that defines the type of data shown in the column. # # # Data for the following stations is contained in this file #  USGS 01052500 Diamond River near Wentworth Location, NH # # # # # # List of available data for this site.  Lines preceeded by # an asterix ‘*’ are included in the data file. # #  DD parameter – Description # *01   00060   – DISCHARGE, CUBIC FEET PER SECOND #  03   00065   – GAGE HEIGHT, FEET # agency_cd       site_no datetime        01_00060 /daytripper

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 1. reel to backing      granny knot 2. backing to flyline     double granny knot 3. flyline to leader      zap-a-gap granny knot 4. leader to tippet      granny knot 5. tippet to fly      granny knot with spit

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You sure can’t fault a man that loves his Granny as much as Charlie loves his! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  1. reel to backing      granny knot 2. backing to flyline     double granny knot 3. flyline to leader      zap-a-gap granny knot 4. leader to tippet      granny knot 5. tippet to fly      granny knot with spit

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Perhaps we should not affix the backing to the arbor at all ? When the line goes out, Fish 1 Fisherman 0. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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Perhaps we should not affix the backing to the arbor at all ? When the line goes out, Fish 1 Fisherman 0. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

you first <g –waldo

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Perhaps we should not affix the backing to the arbor at all ? When the line goes out, Fish 1 Fisherman 0. TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer you first <g

Does it have to be intentional ? Actually…a fish that has pulled all the line and backing and is just fighting the arbor not…well…at that point it’s about over anyway… — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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Actually…a fish that has pulled all the line and backing and is just fighting the arbor not…well…at that point it’s about over anyway…

Bragging time. How many people in ROFF has this happened to? Not me. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Charlie Wilson writes: 1. reel to backing     granny knot 2. backing to flyline    double granny knot 3. flyline to leader     zap-a-gap granny knot 4. leader to tippet     granny knot 5. tippet to fly     granny knot with spit

Priceless!!!!!   Save some of whatever you are drinkin’.  I need it.  <g Dave

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Does it have to be intentional ? Actually…a fish that has pulled all the line and backing and is just fighting the arbor not…well…at that point it’s about over anyway…

I’ve seen video footage of the Aussie flyfishing legend Bushie who has a 10 or 12kg yellowfin tuna on his arbor knot for about 15 minutes, the fish was about 200m straight down. A true test of a man and his tackle – he finally landed it! I think Bushie believes in good arbor knots! Cheers John K

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Does it have to be intentional ? Actually…a fish that has pulled all the line and backing and is just fighting the arbor not…well…at that point it’s about over anyway…

hell t, i gotta better idea. as you start to wind the backing onto the reel, allow for about 3′ to be fed through one of the spool ports. go ahead and wind the backing and line onto the reel taking care as to not entangling the length of backing that exits the reel via the desaignated port. astream, preferably in real big fish water… afterall, this is a manly test of wills…. knot the tag end of the backing to yer wanker. tight lines <g –waldo

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Actually…a fish that has pulled all the line and backing and is just fighting the arbor not…well…at that point it’s about over anyway…

It’s still a good idea to go ahead and actually tie an Arbor knot between backing and reel because you never know when you’re gonna do something clumsy and have to retrieve your rod and reel from the depths by pulling on the line. — Ken Fortenberry

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Does it count if your reel falls off and you pull all the line off hoping as hard as you can that the knot will hold and you’ll get the reel back?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually…a fish that has pulled all the line and backing and is just fighting the arbor not…well…at that point it’s about over anyway… Bragging time. How many people in ROFF has this happened to? Not me. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Does it count if your reel falls off and you pull all the line off hoping as hard as you can that the knot will hold and you’ll get the reel back?

You mean a "Fortenberry?" No, it doesn’t count. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Perhaps we should not affix the backing to the arbor at all ? When the line goes out, Fish 1 Fisherman 0.

Sounds suspiciously like releasing fish. Wolfgang um……unless you stomp on it’s head or something first, I guess

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Perhaps we should not affix the backing to the arbor at all ? When the line goes out, Fish 1 Fisherman 0.

Thought you were against C&R? Rick

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Does it count if your reel falls off and you pull all the line off hoping as hard as you can that the knot will hold and you’ll get the reel back? You mean a "Fortenberry?" No, it doesn’t count.

RATS! I had that one covered Tell ya what, though: you only have that happen once before you’re really reely careful about that arbor knot… /daytripper (been there/done that/saved a Winston and a CFO-3…)

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That concept would cost me a fortune T-Bone. — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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Hi all, I am looking for some input on knots used in fly fishing (excluding wind knots – I am well trained on that already).  I am updating our club’s site, Transkei Piscatorial Society – Online, and we plan to add some of the more popular knots to our Notebook section (mainly to help newbies) Any recommended knots on the following: 1. reel to backing 2. backing to flyline 3. flyline to leader 4. leader to tippet 5. tippet to fly Any constructive inputs will be appreciated. Marius Jonker Transkei Piscatorial Society – Online http://home.intekom.com/TPS Umtata South Africa

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here’s what I use Any recommended knots on the following: 1. reel to backing

uni-knot – tied so that it is oriented along the direction you will be reeling 2. backing to flyline

Albright but use braided loops for shooting heads to running line 3. flyline to leader

nail knot unless the fly line easily is stripped from the core in which case I’ll use braided loops 4. leader to tippet

surgeons 5. tippet to fly

uni-knot

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here’s what I use Any recommended knots on the following: 1. reel to backing uni-knot – tied so that it is oriented along the direction you will be reeling

Belayed slip knot.– An overhand knot is tied to the tag tip then a slip knot is tied so that the tag end is the slip.When the knot on the tag hits the slip knot it is belayed from further slip. 2. backing to flyline Albright but use braided loops for shooting heads to running line

The Albright knot is remarkably similar to a basic knot taught in Navy Boot. The "Becket Bend". 3. flyline to leader nail knot unless the fly line easily is stripped from the core in which case I’ll use braided loops 4. leader to tippet surgeons

 I like a blood knot here. 5. tippet to fly uni-knot

– Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion

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Hi all, I am looking for some input on knots used in fly fishing (excluding wind knots – I am well trained on that already).  I am updating our club’s site, Transkei Piscatorial Society – Online, and we plan to add some of the more popular knots to our Notebook section (mainly to help newbies) Any recommended knots on the following: 1. reel to backing

arbor knot 2. backing to flyline

Albright knot 3. flyline to leader

leader link or nail knot or needle knot 4. leader to tippet

surgeon’s knot 5. tippet to fly

clinch knot (or improved clinch knot) or non-slip loop knot Those are my picks. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Hi all, I am looking for some input on knots used in fly fishing (excluding wind knots – I am well trained on that already).  I am updating our club’s site, Transkei Piscatorial Society – Online, and we plan to add some of the more popular knots to our Notebook section (mainly to help newbies) Any recommended knots on the following:

Since Wayno’s news server is acting up, I’m answering this on his behalf. 1. reel to backing

clinch knot 2. backing to flyline

clinch knot 3. flyline to leader

clinch knot 4. leader to tippet

clinch knot 5. tippet to fly

clinch knot Any constructive inputs will be appreciated.

— visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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The thread LIVES! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – here’s what I use Any recommended knots on the following: 1. reel to backing uni-knot – tied so that it is oriented along the direction you will be reeling 2. backing to flyline Albright but use braided loops for shooting heads to running line 3. flyline to leader nail knot unless the fly line easily is stripped from the core in which case I’ll use braided loops 4. leader to tippet surgeons 5. tippet to fly uni-knot

– (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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Any recommended knots on the following: 1. reel to backing

Arbor Knot 2. backing to flyline

Zap-A-Gap connection 3. flyline to leader

Zap-A-Gap connection 4. leader to tippet

Blood knot 5. tippet to fly

Clinch knot ( 5 turns, not improved) George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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1. reel to backing

Arbor knot 2. backing to flyline

Perfection loop in the backing, tied with a loop large enough to go around the whole reel. Nail knot with a Perfection loop on the flyline. This system will allow you to quick change a double taper streamside. 3. flyline to leader

Nail knot with a Perfection loop, Perfection loop on the leader too. 4. leader to tippet

Double Surgeon knot 5. tippet to fly

Clinch knot (5 turns, not improved) — Ken Fortenberry

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Hi all, I am looking for some input on knots used in fly fishing (excluding wind knots – I am well trained on that already).  I am updating our club’s site, Transkei Piscatorial Society – Online, and we plan to add some of the more popular knots to our Notebook section (mainly to help newbies) Any recommended knots on the following: 1. reel to backing

I’l cast another vote for the Belayed Slip Knot. 2. backing to flyline

Albright?  I’m not sure what it’s called but I know how to tie it. 3. flyline to leader

Braided loop. 4. leader to tippet

surgeons 5. tippet to fly

Palomar, if the fly is big enough, otherwise clinch or improved clinch.  A Palomar can be a real bitch to tie when the fly is small and you’ve got to be careful–due to the nature of the knot–not to get any of the fly caught in the knot.  If you tie a Palomar on one end and a clinch/improved clinch on the other, the clinch will fail first.  Every time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any constructive inputs will be appreciated. Marius Jonker Transkei Piscatorial Society – Online http://home.intekom.com/TPS Umtata South Africa

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Hi all, I will be visiting the Boston area in late July, August and wondered if anybody could direct me to someone/somewhere where I could get information about guiding or places to fly-fish in the area? TIA Ben

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Hi all, I will be visiting the Boston area in late July, August and wondered if anybody could direct me to someone/somewhere where I could get information about guiding or places to fly-fish in the area? TIA Ben

Sorry – I had my preferences wrong. My reply address (with appropriate         ^^Ben

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Hi: I may get a chance to go south to the San Mateo Fly Fishing show in early February.  What types of fishing opportunities are there along the coast?  We will try to come back along US101.  Any striper fishing then? Also, any comments on previous San Mateo shows?  I am interested in some of bamboo fly rod presentations that are supposed to be there. If I get there, I’ll also be helping with the Oregon council FFF booth, so stop by and say hi. Don DD Chen             Standard disclaimers USDA-ARS             always apply NFSPRC 3450 SW Campus Way Corvallis, OR 97331 541-750-8741

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Not to answer a question with a question, but… What is the show? when is it? I might be interested in attending. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi: I may get a chance to go south to the San Mateo Fly Fishing show in early February.  What types of fishing opportunities are there along the coast?  We will try to come back along US101.  Any striper fishing then? Also, any comments on previous San Mateo shows?  I am interested in some of bamboo fly rod presentations that are supposed to be there. If I get there, I’ll also be helping with the Oregon council FFF booth, so stop by and say hi. Don DD Chen             Standard disclaimers USDA-ARS             always apply NFSPRC 3450 SW Campus Way Corvallis, OR 97331 541-750-8741

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The show is great.  I believe it is 2/5 -2/8 at the San Mateo Exposition Center.  All the major, and many minor manufacturers attend.  You can try out all the different fly rods.  There is a casting competition as well as flytying and casting exhibitions and instruction by people like Dave Whitlock, Andre Puyans, Ralph Cutter, Lefty Kreh, etc.  I’ve attended for the past 8 years.  There is also a hunting hall, dog training and exhibitions, a place for kids to catch fish, shoot arrows and b.b. guns, and learn about conservation.     As for things to do on the way down the coast – try some steelheading on the Smith, Eel, Mattole, Mad, and Klamath Rivers.  There are some trout ponds and lakes in the Klamath River area, Mendicino area and Marin County.  Check out Tom Steinstra’s compendium book "California Fishing" which contains an exhaustive list of waters, tactics and species by area of California. I also recommend that you check with the Eureka Fly Shop, and some of the other Northern California shops.  A good place to get information is through the links listed for California at http://www.davisbrown.com/ffgeo.htm under "United States" and then, "California" Have a safe trip and tight lines. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not to answer a question with a question, but… What is the show? when is it? I might be interested in attending. Hi: I may get a chance to go south to the San Mateo Fly Fishing show in early February.  What types of fishing opportunities are there along the coast?  We will try to come back along US101.  Any striper fishing then? Also, any comments on previous San Mateo shows?  I am interested in some of bamboo fly rod presentations that are supposed to be there. If I get there, I’ll also be helping with the Oregon council FFF booth, so stop by and say hi. Don DD Chen             Standard disclaimers USDA-ARS             always apply NFSPRC 3450 SW Campus Way Corvallis, OR 97331 541-750-8741

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Given a little sunlight, the striper bite in the delta should be wide open about the time of the Ed Rice Show. You can rent boats at Bethel Island, Chuck’s Bait, on the water at Russo’s Marina. Rental of a boat with buddy two and trolling motor is about $70 per day. You don’t have more than a quarter mile before you’re into fish. — Jerry Al and Jerry’s Excellent Adventures http://www.softcom.net/users/dorado Al and Jerry’s Fishing Forum http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/m/19629

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I’m still exploring the alphabet for new fishing locales.  Someone suggested the upper reaches of the Zuni River, on the reservation in New Mexico, might contain a few fish. It looks like pretty dry country, to me. Anybody know anything about it? Otherwise, I may be forced to travel to South America, or Africa. I think the X river will only be found, overseas.

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I’m still exploring the alphabet for new fishing locales.  Someone suggested the upper reaches of the Zuni River, on the reservation in New Mexico, might contain a few fish. It looks like pretty dry country, to me. Anybody know anything about it? Otherwise, I may be forced to travel to South America, or Africa. I think the X river will only be found, overseas.

The Zymoetz River of British Columbia (aka the Copper), near Terrace, BC, contains runs of salmon and steelhead. –Steve Otto

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Can you buy fising liscense in the Park of do you have to get them outside the Park. Also what do they cost?   Thanks for the info.  Good Fising  Rick

Hi Rick Yes you can buy fishing licenses in the Park and also outside the park like at the River’s Edge in Bozeman.  Many other fly shops also sell them.  I’m not sure what a day license costs but my season license was $20.00 Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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License in Yellowstone is $10 for the week and can be purchased at ranger stations or hamilton stores in the park David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you buy fising liscense in the Park of do you have to get them outside the Park. Also what do they cost?   Thanks for the info.  Good Fising  Rick

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License in Yellowstone is $10 for the week and can be purchased at ranger stations or hamilton stores in the park David Can you buy fising liscense in the Park of do you have to get them outside the Park. Also what do they cost?   Thanks for the info.  Good Fising  Rick

Its $10 for 10 days.  

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Can you buy fising liscense in the Park of do you have to get them outside the Park. Also what do they cost?   Thanks for the info.  Good Fising  Rick

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Can anyone give me any tips on what kind of containers to use while applying beads to a piece of work.  After I have them out of the baggie (where I store them in thier little plastic containers) I find that if I leave them in the little plastic containers they spill all over the place.  If I pour them out of their containers into the baggies and then try to get one at a time…well lets just say my carpet is well beaded.:-)  Any suggestions greatly appreciated. TIA Doris

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I keep my beads in camera film containers.  When I’m beading, I put them on the top lid of a plastic shoebox.  The higher sides keep the beads from rolling off and I don’t have to put the beads away at night because I can just sit the shoebox on the floor with the lid until morning. Pamela CALVIN: "You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don’t          help." HOBBES: "Well, you’ve done all you can do." Pamela A. Jones

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Can anyone give me any tips on what kind of containers to use while applying beads to a piece of work.

I think everyone has a different preferred storage method.  However, when I am working with them, I use a tray from LoRan that has six large compartments with built in pouring spouts and each compartment has it’s own clear lid.  Along the two long sides of this "tray" are troughs for use in laying out beads when you are doing a row of different coloured beads.  (Anyone who has done earthdancer knows what I mean by this and this tray was wonderfully handy while I was doing her.  *grin*)  I paid $4 for it at my local cross stitch shop.   Susan H. Simko

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I use the lid of my Craft-Stor tote.  It has several raised lines to hold the beads in and the area is large enough to let them spread out.   Meg in Los Angeles

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This is a good place to use those pretty small crystal or porcelein ash trays that most people are not using now for their intended purpose (of course, I am not one of those!).  Otherwise, any small lid – a 35mm film canister, a small plastic (Rubbermaid?) container, etc. – should work as long as it has a rim that is high enough to keep the beads from rolling out onto the floor.  HTH…Ellen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Can anyone give me any tips on what kind of containers to use while applying beads to a piece of work.

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| I keep my beads in camera film containers.  When I’m beading, I put them | on the top lid of a plastic shoebox.  The higher sides keep the beads from | rolling off and I don’t have to put the beads away at night because I can | just sit the shoebox on the floor with the lid until morning. Great idea, Pamela, but you must either have a locked craft room or no small kids or pets!  Most of us couldn’t possible leave such things out overnight.   How do you mark the film containers, or are they the transparent type? — My opinions are my own; if IBM shares them, they haven’t told me.

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Can anyone give me any tips on what kind of containers to use while applying beads to a piece of work.

I use little metal tart tins.  They are fluted for making *little* cakes actually.  My finger fits the flute and I am able to pull one bead at a time.  Also, the sides are high.  Similary and almost as good (except for the flutes) are little dishes for "on the side" foods, like soy sauce or salt cellars.  I find most of my gadgets either in the fishing or cooking sections. Keltia — "And the trouble is, if you don’t risk anything, you risk even more"                                 -Erica Jong

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Great idea, Pamela, but you must either have a locked craft room or no small kids or pets!  Most of us couldn’t possible leave such things out overnight. How do you mark the film containers, or are they the transparent type?

I (for the next 4 weeks) do live alone!  I mark the film containers with small white labels (1/2" x 3/4") which I also use the mark my homemake magnetic needleholder cards. Pamela

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I lost the attribution of who wrote this comment.  Very sorry! applying beads to a piece of work.

Since my beading projects so far have been small (Mill Hill bead kits), I put the whole project in a small tin with handles (I got the tin at Michaels and it shows an old advertisement for Singer.  They had another tin with handles of Hershey’s kisses, but I wasn’t too fond of the picture).  Thus, I can tote around my project when I am not working on it and when I *am* working on it, I just put the beads I want to use in the lid.  If I were working on a larger project (i.e. MLI or TW), then I could always use the tin to carry stuff like floss, scissor, needles, etc. and just pop the whole thing in my project tote and I would still be able to use the lid.  Then again, I may come up with a different method for those…I don’t know yet! — Bekki Lyn Conqueror of 2,7,10,13,12,15,16,18 "Tangled threads seem a stronghold/But illusions can deceive."   +++Fates Warning: The Ivory Gate of Dreams+++ "All acts of love and pleasure are Her rituals."

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This is a good place to use those pretty small crystal or porcelein ash trays that most people are not using now for their intended purpose (of course, I am not one of those!).  Otherwise, any small lid – a 35mm film canister, a small plastic (Rubbermaid?) container, etc. – should work as long as it has a rim that is high enough to keep the beads from rolling out onto the floor.  HTH…Ellen Can anyone give me any tips on what kind of containers to use while applying beads to a piece of work.

hi! coming out of lurkdom :0   i use a chrysanthenum <sp? tray that’s made for watercolours.  the porclain ones are nice, and i can put it into a padded carrying case, and carry my beading with me! happy beading, tree

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To store them (the ones that come loose or in hanks), I use those stackable plastic containers (buyable in craft stores) OR mini ziplock bags OR my new "discovery": mini glass jam containers, you know, those that they serve in hotel breakfasts… While working, I tried the plastic multiple compartments container, but my preferred method is cream cheese plastic lids. Simone BeadNet http://www.mcs.net/~simone/beadnet.html

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I have just discovered the multiple drawer small tool containers in the computer store. Each drawer is clear see through. With optional clear dividers, you can put 3 separate hanks in related colors into the same drawer.. You can pull the drawer out completely (there is a safety catch so you won’t dump the beads unintentionally) and pour out loose beads. They come in 15 to 36 drawer sizes. This is the first time I have found something to be excited about for organizing beads. Until now, I was doing the jars/spice jars/ film containers/ screw top stacking containers without a good organizing solution. I found these drawers at Frye’s which is a computer discount store in California. Similar computer stores or electronic stores should carry these drawer sets where Frye’s do not exist.

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Something else good to keep beads in—I once bought a whole box of rubber-stoppered vacuum tubes from a scientific apparatus remainder company.   (The kind a clinic might use for biiiig blood samples—-about 6 or 7" long) They are clear and hold gobs and gobs of seed beads each.  (They also make a fun little "pop" when you first open them. 8 ^ ) I can’t remember exactly where I bought ‘em, but they were cheap or I wouldn’t have bothered, I’m sure…   I know there are several such odd-lot companies around. Monique in Bryan

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 Until now, I was doing the jars/spice jars/ film containers/ screw top stacking containers without a good organizing solution. I found these drawers at Frye’s which is a computer discount store in California. Similar computer stores or electronic stores should carry these drawer sets where Frye’s do not exist.

Don’t laugh I have been using my Dads empty Skoal cans.I put tape on the bottom and lid with the #.(wintergreen smells nice.I do wash them be for using.:-  Sheila

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Until now, I was doing the jars/spice jars/ film containers/ screw top stacking containers without a good organizing solution. I found these drawers at Frye’s which is a computer discount store in California. Similar computer stores or electronic stores should carry these drawer sets where Frye’s do not exist. Don’t laugh I have been using my Dads empty Skoal cans.I put tape on the bottom and lid with the #.(wintergreen smells nice.I do wash them be for using.:-  Sheila

My husband (also a stitcher) came home with some very cool clear plastic containers from the fishing department, perfect for beads. The are about 1-1/2 inch diameter and one screws onto the bottom of the other.  You can stack as many together as you want (each is about 1 inch tall).  When I want to use a certain bead,  I simply unscrew the container I want, and the rest remain closed!  I have taken small adhesive labels to put the bead numbers on each container.  They didn’t have any kind of brand name on them, so I can’t share that with you… but look in the tackle dept.  I think they are made for storing fishing flys!          ** Anne in Oregon                       ~ So many projects, so little time ~

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There’s a nice little system called the Bead Hive made out of little interlocking plastic drawers.  They get sold in sets of 12 for ~$10.  What is nice about them is that you can detach the drawers and just have the drawers filled with the beads you need for your project.  I’ve seen them in the CS&CC catalog and my favorite local needlework shop here in the Silicon Valley sells them too. Happy stitching, Cynthia

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I use the stacking screw top containers that screw on top of each other. The small ones are for the beads(I clip out the brand name and catalog number from the package as a label and slip it into the container with the beads), and there are slightly larger ones..I use these for my growing confetti collection.  These work fine for me…but will be kind of confusing as I start to stitch pieces calling for more similar beads. Mari

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My husband (also a stitcher) came home with some very cool clear plastic containers from the fishing department, perfect for beads. The are about 1-1/2 inch diameter and one screws onto the bottom of the other.  You can stack as many together as you want (each is about 1 inch tall).  When I want to use a certain bead,  I simply unscrew the container I want, and the rest remain closed!  I have taken small adhesive labels to put the bead numbers on each container.  They didn’t have any kind of brand name on them, so I can’t share that with you… but look in the tackle dept.  I think they are made for storing fishing flys!         ** Anne in Oregon                      ~ So many projects, so little time ~

I have found that our fly fishing shop has the best prices, by far, and better quality stackable containers (some bead shops have ones that don’t screw together very well after you get them apart).  Also, when I go to buy them, I get great service — usually I’m the only woman in the shop and all them men let me go first when ringing up the sale!  Chivalry lives! Karen

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Something else good to keep beads in—I once bought a whole box of rubber-stoppered vacuum tubes from a scientific apparatus remainder company. I can’t remember exactly where I bought ‘em, but they were cheap or I wouldn’t have bothered, I’m sure…  

    Monique, wasn’t that American Scientific?  With their really goof catalogues?  Martha Beth

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Will be cruising the BVIs in Feb. Thought that some light surface fishing or fly fishing would be fun. Do i need a license? Any details you can help with on tackle etc.? Thanks

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Will be bare boating Feb. Thought that light spincasting or flyfishing might be fun. Any experience? Do I need a license? Will be using the Moorings. Do they supply any fishing gear?

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   I am seeking information on wet flies and their overall effectiveness.  I used them quite a bit last summer and found them productive when both dry flies and nymphs were not.  I would be interested in other people’s opinions and experiences with this category of flies; what conditions, patterns etc. Thank you in advance Craig Horning

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   I am seeking information on wet flies and their overall effectiveness.  I used them quite a bit last summer and found them productive when both dry flies and nymphs were not.  I would be interested in other people’s opinions and experiences with this category of flies; what conditions, patterns etc. Thank you in advance Craig Horning

I have always enjoyed using soft hackled flies, especially as tied in Sylvester Nemes book, The Soft Hackled Fly Addict. Although I can’t give up my parachutes, wulfs and GR hares ears, I do enjoy little yelow soft hackles and variations tied with peacock herl and others with Hares Ear. I must admit, I generally use leftover partridge, grouse, sparrow or even mottled inexpensive capes instead of using some of the harder to find or expensive bird feathers used in Nemes’ book.(but then I’m kinda cheap) I find they work well fished like a dry, or fish them like a nymph. Depending on the situation and lie, I find they sometimes work well during a hatch, maybe taken as emergers. Anyway, I always have some with me in 18-14 sizes, and some Hares ear soft hackles, tied with a longer body on a 9672 in up to size 10, unweighted, to use when GR hares ears are too heavy for shallow water. Kevin Williams, Indianapolis, IN

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Hello All         Well in reference to wet flies…a wet fly man/woman will catch more day in and day out than any dry fly man/woman can hope for.  At least that is what the late great Charles Brooks said…and I agree.  I have a pattern I have varied off a dark spruce.  I call it a little bow’.  I don’t know anything else to call it.  It is tyed on a size 10-14 9671 mustad…it has a dark olive tail…a peacock herl body…and have way up the thorax…so to speak…put in a couple wraps of red floss.  Then continue wrapping up the body with the peacock herl and tye off.  Then put on a couple wraps of grizzly colored pattridge…at the head.  It works wonderful…try a few different thread colors…6/0 is the size I like or 8/0 unithread. I found dark olive and red threads work real well…and yes it can make a difference.  It is a faster water fly…but I have caught 10 fish in half hour with this fly…and have yet to find a place it doesn’t work. From montana…to southern Idaho…and that is alot of water.         Enjoy and let me know how it works

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Are they any better than flies with hackle? Is it not difficult to get them to float? Regards Knut Uleberg.

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: Are they any better than flies with hackle? : Is it not difficult to get them to float? Hi Knut, My application of no-hackle dry-flies is almost always stillwater, or slow-water fishing and almost always with the deer-hair comparaduns. The rivers here in the rockies will drown a no hackle, but unless you are a strict halfordian, this is no great thing anyway. For the swift waters, I’ll sometimes use 3 or more premium hackles per fly. Happy Holidays, Tim Walker

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writes: No hackle flies are especially good on calm water. Trout seem to examine body length and color more in calm water, and no-hackle flies ride better in the surface film to allow trout a longer and better look. Matching size and color of the naturals is especially critical with no-hackle flies. Hope this helps. Cordially, Bob Elliott

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