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Chaps             I live in the Aylesbury  /  Oxford area, and I’m seeking people’s recommendations re small still waters in this area. I have visited but not fished Vicarage Spinney and Barnes Lakes.  I have fished Church Hill and Lakeside, as well as Alders Farm. I DON"T WANT TO HEAR PEOPLE"S OPINIONS RE CONCRETE BOWL RESERVOIRES, thank you My favourite water is John O’Gaunt in Hampshire, but it’s too far aay for a day trip. I’d like to find something like JOG, but closer to home, say 30-40 mins drive max,  I want to fish, not drive, as a hobby. If anyone can recommend a good venue, I’d be very grateful, and maybe even see you there sometime. There are too few good venues around here, and I only have "Trout Fisherman" guide to go by, which is OK but a bit limited. So ??  please come back to me if you’ve a secret haunt you’d be willing to share, best wishes,

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Enjoyed your report, I was up that way a couple of weeks ago and went to Steep Banks. 12 guys standing around casting into one small pool, it might be famous but it did not interest me. Waded on up the river but had no luck except in a couple of small pools.  ;The word was that the fish would be in the river in a couple of weeks, but I could not wait  so moved over to Upper Dam and caught a couple of 15inch salmon and three trout close in but was not interested in standing out in the flow for three hours in one spot to catch a fish.  The one thing I have to say was that the whole area was dead drop beautiful  but guess I still prefer the mountains of North Carolina , climbing over the rocks to catch a 8inch trout.     Indian Joe Wilmington N.C.

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Great report, Allen.  Too bad you could not make it to the Rapid.  I am heading up to the East Branch of the Kennebec this week with a couple of friends.  And, yes, I’m bringing warm clothes. Dave L.

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Dave and Injun, The whole trip really cemented in my mind where my wife and I will end up living in a few years. Hope youu don’t mind sharing the fish and birds! Allen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Great report, Allen.  Too bad you could not make it to the Rapid.  I am heading up to the East Branch of the Kennebec this week with a couple of friends.  And, yes, I’m bringing warm clothes. Dave L.

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Folks, Work has been keeping me from even lurking the last few weeks but SWMBO and I have just returned from a trip north to RI for her folks 50th anniversary and then up to Rangeley ME for a week to help a friend winter prep his camp and wet a line for a bit. I’ve never been up that way before but from all the folks I talked to the water was way low and the fishing slow. Our friends camp is "Fiddlehead" just below Bald Mtn on Rangeley lake but ended up fishing the Kennebunk pretty far down. "Steep Bank" came highly recommended but "take a number" fishing is not my bag anymore. We hiked up the stream a bit and despite having spent a lot of time in the woods it’s pretty easy to see how folks become lost in the Maine woods. Thick does not begin to describe it and had to restart the heart once due to flushing Grouse. Upstream was shallow and no real cover so back down to what we found later was called "Trout Rock" Gorgeous little pool with a steep rock pile on one side and about 6′ deep. Started by casting #10 Black Ghost (might as well start local). Ended up going up and down a bit and finally settled on a #16 Brassie. That turned out to surprisingly be the ticket. 4 nice Brookies all about 12-14 inches. Such gorgeous fish my hands trembled releasing them. Finally a Salmon showed some interest. The barest tap and I was on to a 19" fish that explored all corners of the pool before coming to net. Again, I was awed by the colors and spirit of the fish. My wife and I got up early the next morning and headed to the the stream running from the Little Kennebago. Bright day but cold (28 F) and no wind. If you didn’t see the ice forming in your guides you wouldn’t have noticed the cold. A couple strikes but no fish did see a beaver and had to come to a complete stop on the way home to let a brace of Grouse get out of the road. Just before we joined rt. 16 again had a cow Moose stop right along side the road and stare as we stopped to take her picture. This was the first time my wife has fly fished and I think she got the picture that’s its not just the fish. Sorry for the general disjointness of this report but as we just got home I thought I’d drop in and try and break up the politics Before I lost the mental pictures I brought home. With work being all consuming at times we have to stop and spend time afield with rod or gun to put things in perspective. Allen Epps Catonsville MD

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It all depends on the type of fishing and the material the rod is made from.  I don’t care for Bamboo rods over 7.5 feet, Fiberglass rods over 8 feet and Graphite rods over 9 feet.  When fishing small streams I prefer shorter rods because you can move through the brush easier. When fishing lakes and large rivers long rods are better. Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have decidet to buy Loop green line rod aftm 5-6. Only problem is the rod`s length, 8,8 feet or 9,3 feet(no 9feet  )? What is the differense between these length in fishing? Im castin in a midle size river. My previously rod was 9 feet.

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For general fishing purposes the longer the rod the better, up to a certain point, so I would go for the nine foot three inch model.   A great fly-caster I once knew was of the opinion that 9

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Wait till you hear them harmonize on Bee Gees tunes!!

For the finale they re-enact the ‘party’ scene from ‘Apocalypse Now’. At the last clave some kid’s pony wandered in before Wayno could get the Ox away from LaPlac and in place. What a mess, I think there is still litigation in process on that… — Charlie…

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… At the last clave some kid’s pony wandered in before Wayno could get the Ox away from LaPlac and in place. What a mess, I think there is still litigation in process on that…

Yeah, last time I ever put my name on a week long ROFF rental. I’m being sued by the goat owner, the pony owner, the landlord, both neighbors and some poor guy that was driving by the Nangahalla while Louie was makin’ it with a gawdamn tree. — Ken Fortenberry

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 Besides, if it was really that easy to find, then I suppose I didn’t help out the troll too much anyway – the damage was already done.

My guess is that, if it was a troll, the object was to get someone other than the troller to post the web site thus making it seem more legit. FWIW. — Charlie…

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Louie was makin’ it with a gawdamn tree.

That was a good story.  :-) — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.

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If Bo is coming to the clave, sign me up.  I’d fish with her any time.  Is there a wading list?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what a coincidence.  the same threesome is scheduled for a reunion performance last night of the carolina clave.  that damn brando, what a bundle of laughs! wayno

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!!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!!

Turns out it was not a troll after all – just a newbie looking for a pointer for a gift search. In the future maybe we should decide which is worse: a) allow a company to slip in a reference to their product b) turn off someone to a good source of information (i.e. this newsgroup) Regards, Jeff

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!!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!! Turns out it was not a troll after all – just a newbie looking for a pointer for a gift search.

No offense to the newbie, but their web search engine of choice must really suck. — Charlie…

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!!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!! Turns out it was not a troll after all – just a newbie looking for a pointer for a gift search. No offense to the newbie, but their web search engine of choice must really suck. — Charlie…

Maybe it was also someone new to the Internet and computers.  I know that my wife would have no idea what to do if buying me a gift over the Internet.  She would also have no idea how to search for anything. But, she does know that I’m always on ROFF.  She would probably be able to post a message here. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.

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Just a guess… but knowing Tom, and also knowing that he doesn’t state things lightly without a reason, I would hazard the guess that was the course of events…. Hence, his assertion of "the troll."

Maybe so.  NOT knowing Tom, I asked why he said so, and all I got in return was "Don’t you know what a troll is?"  So, I didn’t have much to go on.  Besides, if it was really that easy to find, then I suppose I didn’t help out the troll too much anyway – the damage was already done. Regards, Jeff

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oll. Saw that one on The Twilight Zone about forty years ago.  William Shatner, Marlon Brando, and Bo Derek, I believe.

        what a coincidence.  the same threesome is scheduled for a reunion performance last night of the carolina clave.  that damn brando, what a bundle of laughs! wayno

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – oll. Saw that one on The Twilight Zone about forty years ago.  William Shatner, Marlon Brando, and Bo Derek, I believe.         what a coincidence.  the same threesome is scheduled for a reunion performance last night of the carolina clave.  that damn brando, what a bundle of laughs! wayno

Wait till you hear them harmonize on Bee Gees tunes!!

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Maybe they only want us to believe its a troll.That way when we’re busy arguing about it they slip the real troll in and subliminally we’re thinking about that flybox,which we’re supposed to be ignoring because it’s a troll,but if it’s a troll how come I already know more about that flybox then I did before,and now here I am responding to the troll and somebody this very minute is fast mailing an ad for flyboxes to me and they tell me the only way I can get the stream to stop is if I go on a website and ask if anybody’s ever heard of richardson flyboxes.One catch:it can’t sound like a troll. Regards,Shawn

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Maybe they only want us to believe its a troll.That way when we’re busy arguing about it they slip the real troll in and subliminally we’re thinking about that flybox,which we’re supposed to be ignoring because it’s a troll,but if it’s a troll how come I already know more about that flybox then I did before,and now here I am responding to the troll and somebody this very minute is fast mailing an ad for flyboxes to me and they tell me the only way I can get the stream to stop is if I go on a website and ask if anybody’s ever heard of richardson flyboxes.One catch:it can’t sound like a troll.

Saw that one on The Twilight Zone about forty years ago.  William Shatner, Marlon Brando, and Bo Derek, I believe.

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BTW, What does this mean:  "email me off list." Opie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Tom, However, I like choosing for myself which threads to respond to. According to AOL:  A troll is someone looking to pick a virtual fight! Are you a troll yourself. "Do you know what this means." Opie in NC This is a TROLL.  Do you know what this means?  If not, email me off list. Tom — Tom Brown Wake Forest, NC !!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!! ??? why, who is this? Regards, Jeff

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This is a TROLL.  Do you know what this means?  If not, email me off list. Tom — Tom Brown Wake Forest, NC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – !!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!! ??? why, who is this? Regards, Jeff

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Has anyone ever heard of this item or where I could find one? CLIP<<<<<<<<<<<<,

Look ——- I know what a troll is —— it’s a person  that drags a bait behind them hoping to catch a fish and then enjoy the act of fishing. I also know that I’ve fly fished for all kinds of fish, even blue gills, and had a hell of a lot of fun doing it, even if 90 % of them just boil the water and I don’t catch them. —- BUT — will someone please answer the question? What the hell is a Lloyd  " Little Bear " .

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will someone please answer the question? What the hell is a

Go to www.google.com and search. You’ll find their site pretty easily, I think. — Charlie…

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This is a TROLL.  Do you know what this means?  If not, email me off list. Tom !!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!! ??? why, who is this?

Yes, I know what a troll is.  My question seems pretty clear to me.  WHY do you say that and WHO is this alleged troll?  How do you KNOW it’s a troll? Regards, Jeff

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—- BUT — will someone please answer the question? What the hell is a

Well, I was waiting to hear why I shouldn’t answer the question, but so far I haven’t heard a good reason, so… A Richardson fly box hangs on your chest and opens to a shelf.  It was popularized by Joe Humphreys, I believe (I know he uses one anyway).  I looked at them but they were too expensive.  www.chestflybox.com Regards, Jeff

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—- BUT — will someone please answer the question? What the hell is a Well, I was waiting to hear why I shouldn’t answer the question, but so far I haven’t heard a good reason, so… A Richardson fly box hangs on your chest and opens to a shelf.  It was popularized by Joe Humphreys, I believe (I know he uses one anyway).  I looked at them but they were too expensive.  www.chestflybox.com Regards, Jeff

Jeff, I think you swallowed the trolls proffered bait nicely. Knowing Tom, he read the original post and was intrigued. He did a search and found the product. During his search, the ever clandestine Tom noticing that the search result was easy, he questioned the original message’s integrity. He probably traced the poster’s address back to the company and wallah, he caught a red herring. Just a guess… but knowing Tom, and also knowing that he doesn’t state things lightly without a reason, I would hazard the guess that was the course of events…. Hence, his assertion of "the troll." Walt

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Thanks Tom, However, I like choosing for myself which threads to respond to. According to AOL:  A troll is someone looking to pick a virtual fight! Are you a troll yourself. "Do you know what this means." Opie in NC

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a TROLL.  Do you know what this means?  If not, email me off list. Tom — Tom Brown Wake Forest, NC !!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!! ??? why, who is this? Regards, Jeff

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!!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!! — Tom Brown Wake Forest, NC Has anyone ever heard of this item or where I could find one?  I have been doing internet searches and am coming up with nothing.  Thanks for your help!!

"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat and wrong."   H.L. Mencken

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!!PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!!

??? why, who is this? Regards, Jeff

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Since this space is used for trolling, I guess I can use it to ask an off-topic question? JeffC1474, what state are you in? Opie

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Has anyone ever heard of this item or where I could find one?  I have been doing internet searches and am coming up with nothing.  Thanks for your help!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And I thought I wouldn’t *ever* get my own thread. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC "If you’re not the lead dog, the view never changes." Tom Browns Bastard is causing ROFF to rave, a thread has been engendered, the results of this are grave, but he can go casting on ! casting over seventy feet, with a quick flick of the wrist, will cause most Orvis owners here to shake an angry fist, but  he will go casting on ! His spouse is not quite certain, what the ruckus is about, all this talk of Bastards, is causing her some doubt, but he will go casting on ! the waiting and the hoping now has not been all in vain, Tom at last is getting his awaited fighting cane, and he will go casting on ! Now Tom is the lead dog, and the view has changed for him, he is getting the first Bastard, with a special coloured trim, and he will go casting on ! lets hope he catches plenty, and enjoys his fishing too, perhaps he will be kind enough to give us a review, as he goes casting on ! TL MC

Thanks for the smile Mike…. –Walt To fish is soliloquy.

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George,  You sending this to yourself? David NB – when the rods really make an impact you can put the price up to include a ‘doubters’ premium"! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (snipped) Trust me.  I couldn’t have picked a better Bastard to send the proto type to.  It was made with great care and it is a casting delight. Couldn’t have picked a better man. I’m gone. — Mr. G. ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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Your cleaning method appears sound, but I would definitely do it by hand and stay away from any washing machine, no matter how "gentle" the cycle may be. Regards from Montreal John Brkich

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I would second this recommendation….after trying some others.  The only thing that I would add is that you can purchase a product specifically designed to clean neoprene waders (I forget which company makes it…Simms, I believe)…but I’ve just used liquid soap.  I have a den with a bathroom/shower that is just off of the garage.  When I come back from fishing, if I notice that my waders are getting a bit "foul", I put them in the shower for cleaning.  By putting them on inside out, it’s easy to wash them and ensure that you’ve not skipped anything.  In fact, when I do such a washing, I usually do both the inside and outside…then hang them in the den and over a large plastic bucket to catch water.  It works well. Barry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Put them on inside out, and wash them in the shower. Neoprene is a closed cell foam, so the odor should just be on the surface. My neoprene waders are getting so funky even I don’t want to put them on anymore.  Is there a way to wash them -the insides especially- and if so, what works the best? I was thinking of using Woolite and putting them on gentle cycle, but…..I’lll ask the experts first. pete

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On the way home from a trip, I stop by a neighborhood do-it-yourself car wash. For $2 and 10 minutes I get clean waders (inside and out), clean felt on my wading boots, and no sand residue on the inside of the boots (which can wear the neoprene bootie). It’s also a good time to clean up the beer cooler! Jerry Donovan, Littleton, Colo. My neoprene waders are getting so funky even I don’t want to put them on anymore.  Is there a way to wash them -the insides especially- and if so, what works the best? I was thinking of using Woolite and putting them on gentle cycle, but…..I’lll ask the experts first. pete

(just kiddin) but its the way I fly fish. — George Gehrke All Writings

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(GSWheaton) writes: Can anyone suggest a good guide / charter service in Panama?  I’ll be there for several days in late January, and I’d like to do some fishing, preferably on the Pacific side.

The best fishing lodges are in remote parts of Panama and only book full week trips, and they are most likely all booked for January by now. However, there is a new land based operation based on Coiba Island that will book as few as two days at around $2000 per person, complete. Another choice would probably be to go to Contadora Island. You can book a charter at the yacht club there, but the fishing isn’t what you expect when you think of Panama. Capt Gene Kelly Tropical Fishing Adventures

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Can anyone suggest a good guide / charter service in Panama?  I’ll be there for several days in late January, and I’d like to do some fishing, preferably on the Pacific side.

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Can anyone suggest a good guide / charter service in Panama?  I’ll be there for several days in late January, and I’d like to do some fishing, preferably on the Pacific side.

There are at least two famous saltwater operations I’m aware of that book week long trips.  Try Tropic Star Lodge (Pinas Bay) at http://www.tropicstar.com/index.html or Coiba Explorer at http://tucson.com/fishing/  Tropic Star often fills up early though, check the available dates on the web site. Tropic Star is a deluxe fly-in lodge and more world records have been set there than any other locale (according to their brochure anyway).  It’s famous mostly for light-tackle billfish and pelagics off the Zane Grey reef.  Coiba is a live-aboard operation and has perhaps more variety with plenty of inshore exotics as well as good offshore fishing at Hannibal Banks (and other reefs). Both are expensive. We fished Tropic Star last winter when fishing was supposedly poor due to the El Nino but still caught 5 marlin and a couple sails.  Friends of ours fished Coiba a few weeks later and caught many smaller fish but only a couple of sails, no marlin.  Usually better than that at either place.  Hope so as we’re going back this winter I just saw an ad in Marlin Mag for a new land-based operation at Coiba as well run by Tom Yust, who set up the original Coiba mothership deal (I was told). He advertises ‘flexible 2-7 day itineraries’ and has a 31 ft Bertram, and might be a good fit for you if you can’t fish an entire week.   He’s at 800-800-0907. Good luck, it’s an adventure down there. Bill Hilton

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Anyway, my default setting is to fish with a sink tip line, casting towards shore with a wolly bugger, sometimes a gold ribbed hair’s ear [though I've yet to catch anything with this].  Both are hauled in with a slow steady retrieve.  

You might be better off casting parallel to the bank if the bottom drops off fairly quick (and *especially* if there are rushes sticking out of the water.)  You’ll cover more water that way and you’ll be better able to keep your fly down near the bottom.  If you’re casting in towards the bank with a sink-tip, your fly will swim away from the bottom unless you pause or retrieve slower as you fish the cast out.  Personally, I think full uniform sinkers are a lot more useful for fishing wet flies, unless you want the fly to swim up pretty quick (i.e., up a drop-off.) Also, try varying your retrieve.  That’s always the first thing I change if I’m searching and nothing’s going on.  Besides, I always have better bugger luck if I fish them with at least a little snap to get the hackle pulsing. As for flies, one of my best lake patterns is just a small marabou leech, fished right off the bottom and kind of slow.  Keep your eyes out for the local bug life, though, and fish the ones that interest you. Good luck, Dave DeLacey Corvallis,Or. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Aaron W.

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Any other ideas?  Flys?  I am fishing in Southwest Washington, and possibly will go near Mt. St. Hellens.

        Though we don’t see a lot of tubers here in Maine(other than potatos – yuk,yuk), we do a lot of pond and lake fishing for brook trout from canoes. Common to almost all of these ponds are Callibaetis (hatch 3 times a season and matched with Adams dry) and damselflies, both of which may be indigenous to your waters. Also present here are Hexigenia, stoneflies similar to Acroneuria, generic BWO’s, and some giant caddis species.  We have a lot of other  options as well(leeches, flying ants, scuds, cress bugs, sow bugs,etc.). I fish a pond that stays cool enough for dry flies all summer and I never fish much deeper than 8 or 10 feet, and then only because I have to.         Techniques run the gamut. 90% of my fishing is done with a floating or intermediate line.Checking with local fisherman (and observing), doing a stomach check on fish kept (yes, we will eat one now and then), using a nymph net to check for samples, are all integral to fitting the pieces of the puzzle. We give a close watch to dropoffs (potential byways for big fish) and the weedbeds (home to most of the insects.I’m sure your water may have some differences, but there may be more similarities than anyone realizes. Hope I’ve given you some ideas. Good luck….

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would love to hear some advice about float tube fly fishing for trout.  I have read my share of books, had fair experience, but am still not that satisfied with the results I get.  Still love it though. Anyway, my default setting is to fish with a sink tip line, casting towards shore with a wolly bugger, sometimes a gold ribbed hair’s ear [though I've yet to catch anything with this].  Both are hauled in with a slow steady retrieve. Any other ideas?  Flys?  I am fishing in Southwest Washington, and possibly will go near Mt. St. Hellens. Thank you. Aaron W.

A really good lake is Coldwater Lake, near St Helens.  People do well with various things; it would be hard to go wrong with a small black or olive wooly bugger (size 10 to 14).  I use a full sinking shooting head, in type II or IV, for most of my lake fishing in the area.  Try different retrieves, try waiting different times to let the line sink to different depths, try points and dropoffs, try fishing where the codger factor is high.   Oh, you don’t know what the codger factor is?  That’s the average age of the fisherfolk within a 100 yd radius.  Anything over 50 is a good bet. A fly that does well for me in the cascade lakes in the spring is an olive brown wooly worm, with brown hackle, in size 8 or 10,  Matter of fact, that or the wooly bugger will be on the sinking line just about any time I can’t see something else in particular to match.   Caught 10 feet of cutthroats with the wooly bugger yesterday, in 8 to 10 inch increments.  Beautiful day, beautiful fish, and a great way to start the season.

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I would love to hear some advice about float tube fly fishing for trout.  I have read my share of books, had fair experience, but am still not that satisfied with the results I get.  Still love it though. Anyway, my default setting is to fish with a sink tip line, casting towards shore with a wolly bugger, sometimes a gold ribbed hair’s ear [though I've yet to catch anything with this].  Both are hauled in with a slow steady retrieve.   Any other ideas?  Flys?  I am fishing in Southwest Washington, and possibly will go near Mt. St. Hellens. Thank you. Aaron W.

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Anyway, my default setting is to fish with a sink tip line, casting towards shore with a wolly bugger, sometimes a gold ribbed hair’s ear [though I've yet to catch anything with this].  Both are hauled in with a slow steady retrieve. Any other ideas?  Flys?  I am fishing in Southwest Washington, and possibly will go near Mt. St. Hellens.

I have never had much luck with sunk flies on sinking lines.  I usually cast toward shore to rocks, logs and grassy cuts with a small elk hair caddis or stimulator. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley           2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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I will be in the Marathon area over the Thanksgiving Holidays and would like information on access to flats that I can wade. I will not have a boat, but could possibly rent a canoe. Any info to flats that I could drive to and wade would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance…release ‘em Tom Steele

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Here are a few suggestions: Long Key Park, Bahia Honda Park, the east side of the road west of Islamorada at the utility pole #913, the flats behind the high school at Marathon, the oceanside flats between milemarker 52 & T. Chittums (both are flyfishing shops in Islamorada) and the folks at Tournament Bait & Tackle. During this time of year, I think you’d have your best chances at most of these places during an incoming tide in early morning, right after a cooling rain, or near sunset. Best wishes, Bob Elliott, Rochester, NY

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: the flats behind : the high school at Marathon, Do any of the students go to class?  Sheesh… I think I live in the wrong part of the world… — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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I started out by reading the Orvis Guide to Fly Fishing.  You can find it at any Orvis dealership and at most bookshops that have a large sports section. Good luck, Todd Etchieson

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Quoting MarkPuch<mpuch from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly     I am just starting to fly fish and I am looking for books I can     read on fly fishing lakes and rivers.  Also on how to tie flies.  If    you know of any books please let me know. Mark – I just picked up and excellant book for learning fly tying.  Its "The Art of Fly Tying" by Johnvan Vliet and is published by The Hunting & Fishing Library.  Cost was about $24.  It concentrates on techniques rather than patterns.  Starts with tools and materials then tells how to tie tails, wings, boddies, hackle…. then goes on to general how to on streamers, nymphs, drys, wets, terrestrials, bass & pikle flys.  If you learn the techniques then you can tie any of the patterns.  Since I’m a beginner tyer, looks like it will help me a bunch. Rainbow V 1.17.5 for Delphi – Registered

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The Art of Fly Tying is excellent! Also, you might want to pick up any book by Dave Hughes. He not only tells you how he does it, so you can learn from his mistakes and victories, but also tells it in the most easily read format and style of any fly fishing author (and believe it or not, I have read most of them). Good luck, and remember the most important thing to learning about fly fishing and fly tying, is to HAVE FUN! Redside2

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Quoting MarkPuch<mpuch from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly     I am just starting to fly fish and I am looking for books I can     read on fly fishing lakes and rivers.  Also on how to tie flies.  If    you know of any books please let me know. Mark – I just picked up and excellant book for learning fly tying.  Its "The Art of Fly Tying" by Johnvan Vliet and is published by The Hunting & Fishing Library.  Cost was about $24.  It concentrates on techniques rather than patterns.  Starts with tools and materials then tells how to tie tails, wings, boddies, hackle…. then goes on to general how to on streamers, nymphs, drys, wets, terrestrials, bass & pikle flys.  If you learn the techniques then you can tie any of the patterns.  Since I’m a beginner tyer, looks like it will help me a bunch. Rainbow V 1.17.5 for Delphi – Registered

I would like to second that endorsement.  Vliet’s photographs illustrate techniques very well, and he has more than enough patterns to keep you busy.  He also gives instructions on how to tie parachutes and other techniques which are too arcane to discussed in smaller tomes like Dick Stewart’s "Universal Fly Tying Guide".  Get the ring bound edition if you can.  It’s pages lie flat when you prop the book up on your kitchen table.  Oops, I meant tying bench. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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Pick up a copy of the Curtis Creek Manifesto by Sheridan Anderson. I bought it when I started fly fishing in 1976 and still get a kick out of thumbing thru it.  It is illustrated in a cartoon manner and is one of the best beginner books out there.                                                             Good luck, Mark Heskett

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: Does anyone know if there is a rod building newsgroup? If not, does this : newsgroup handle most of the rod building questions? And I’m sorry about your name…it must have been a rough childhood.<g Yeah, it was fun. And I defy anyone to come up with something new I havn’t heard

Takes me back to my childhood Bruce, my older cousin always called me sweet pea. What type of rod are you going to build.  When I first started fly fishing You could build a rod for $25.  My favorite rod is a Fenwick Ferralite fiberglass rod constructed with Fuji single foot guides.  It’s made for falling in the mountain streams.  When I fall which is a couple of times a year, I don’t want to worry about screrwing up an expensive rod and reel. I just throw it as I go down so I don’t land on it and do permanent damage.  A Medalist reel has stood up to the task, although I have had to do some work on it with a pair of long nose pliers.  I always thought I would make a bamboo rod some day, but the older I get the less ambitious I am. Ernie Harrison

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ha, think your names were rough! try jason "Bever" (Beaver) I figure it could be worse, My sister has it worse than I do! ha

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      I am just starting to fly fish and I am looking for books I can read on fly fishing lakes and rivers.  Also on how to tie flies.  If you know of any books please let me know. live psychic line                  =  date line 1-900-659-9966 ext #1199           =  1-900-835-5182 ext #1193 3.95 per minute                    =  2.49 per minute Mark Puch

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