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Tim – I got a 9 ft #4 Stealth and love it.  I compare it to the original Scott in the same size (also have the 8′6", 8′ and 6′10" in graphite, and the 7′6" in glass), as well as Fenwick Iron Feather, BoronX and AVF in same size, as well as assorted others. Very fluid action at a variety of fishing distances, good tracking, holds fish well. tl les

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I see in Fly Fisherman February 2002 that this rod comes with two tips instead of a lifetime warranty…hmmm…not sure what to make of that.   Padishar Creel — Wishing the Master of fly fishing, Mr. LaFontaine the best of luck in his battle with ALS…

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Any one get one of these Gary Lafontaine stealth rods..if so what did ya think..just curious, as usual. Thanks — Tim Apple

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Thanks Mike….. -walt At eventide, slanting rays of sunlight, burnish rippling water red and gold,

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Thank you all too.  I was determined not to come back, but life is really too short for buggering about, and I discovered that I miss you all a great deal, it is nice to have friends, even those one may never see. There is really nowhere else where one might obtain the inspiration required for doggerel than this place anyway !!! I may not post quite as often as I once did, but I will be lurking a lot. Tight lines! Mike Connor

The best part is: we knew you were coming so we cleaned up the place! /daytripper (Welcome home, Mike.)

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Mike, Good to see you, or at least your powerful words, again. You were always with us, but I like this better. Danl PS If you’ve been lurking, you know that I’m learning to tie, ahem, dress flies. That web site of yours would sure be handy about now. (hint, hint) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank you all too.  I was determined not to come back, but life is really too short for buggering about, and I discovered that I miss you all a great deal, it is nice to have friends, even those one may never see. There is really nowhere else where one might obtain the inspiration required for doggerel than this place anyway !!! I may not post quite as often as I once did, but I will be lurking a lot. Tight lines! Mike Connor

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At eventide, slanting rays of sunlight, burnish rippling water red and gold, trout, at supper then, become less wary and some become quite bold. Angler, having worked quite hard all day, for really very poor returns, redoubles then his efforts, as the waning day to twilight turns. A spinner fall engages trout and angler, trout with abandon, angler tense, another pattern is tied on, and cast with care towards a fishes residence, landing perfectly, the fly floats down, drag free for several nervous feet, then vanishes without a sound, surprise for angler is complete. Awakening at last, from almost too intense and perfect concentration, angler sets the hook, and is rewarded with a surge of wild elation, as trout, far more surprised than angler, tries to be rid of stinging steel, surges strongly down the river, regretting now perhaps the meal. Holding fast, anticipating twists and turns, wild lunges, and even desperate leaps, angler plies his rod with skill, and on the fish, a steady but relentless pressure keeps. Another leap, the rod is bowed, and fish seems weary now, not far from beaten, perhaps he fights so desperately, because he fears he will be killed and eaten? At last the battle turns, and angler triumphantly deploys his landing net, taking care that one last desperate lunge, does not gain fish his freedom yet. silver beauty, pure enchantment, colours highlit by the final rays of summer sun, content, though not a little sad at fishes end, angler packs, another day is done. Homeward then, filled with peace, and dwelling on the days reflections, already planning other trips, and mentally designing deadly fly confections, once more the day has passed, but angling is a thing that never really ends, a pleasure for a man alone, and still a greater one to share with friends. Of such things and more, days filled with pure delight and beauty, are angling dreams, of happy hours spent wandering, with rod and line, by secret and enchanted streams, by mighty rivers, roaring surf, still and hidden pools and lakes, by thunderous waterfall, wherever fish are found, our angler there will venture, he can not resist the call. To pit his wits against the wary fish, see his fill of natures wondrous treasures, what man could be richer? or more blessed?, could there be greater pleasures? to sit in peace beside the rippling gurgling water on a summer day, lost in reverie, far from toil and bustle, and the stressful world, further than this, no man may flee. For many centuries now, ten countless times a thousand men have trod this way, thought much the same perhaps, while thus engaged in sport, as we are now today, cultures change, ideas alter, and much of humankind are followers of fashion, anglers thoughts though stay the same, because they follow this abiding and absorbing passion? How many men I wonder, have been so hopelessly and happily obsessed? immaterial of the changing times, the flies and tools which constantly progressed, odd indeed, that men should take such pleasure from a harmless fishes sad demise, consider though how poor our lives would be, if  fishes ceased from taking flies! TL MC

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Thanks Mike and hopefully welcome back.

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Thanks, Mike. Tom At eventide, slanting rays of sunlight, burnish rippling water red…….

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At eventide, slanting rays of sunlight, burnish rippling water red and gold, trout, at supper then, become less wary and some become quite bold. Angler, having worked quite hard all day, for really very poor returns, redoubles then his efforts, as the waning day to twilight turns.

Hooray.   Let me be the first (okay, second) to say welcome back. Joe F.

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Truly wonderful and long missed prose snipped. Welcome back Mike.  The wandering bard has again alighted in our village.  Lets hope his stay is as dear to him as his wisdom is to us.       Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Thanks Mike, and welcome back! George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Thank you all too.  I was determined not to come back, but life is really too short for buggering about, and I discovered that I miss you all a great deal, it is nice to have friends, even those one may never see. There is really nowhere else where one might obtain the inspiration required for doggerel than this place anyway !!!  I may not post quite as often as I once did, but I will be lurking a lot. Tight lines! Mike Connor

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Mike, When some leave the group we’re happy, When you left we all felt real crappy, But now you’re back, The election was whack, and… ahh, crap, my limericks suck. welcome back.  we missed you. bruce h Before you buy.

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Welcome back to ROFF. Paul

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<snipped Welcome back Mike.  Your contributions are most welcomed and enjoyed. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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Oh dear, and after wading through severaI thousand posts, I thought somebody had come up with a new method of learning to cast, which was apparently developed in Florida. It was always difficult timing the punch when casting TL MC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <with his usual style and elegance Welcome back, Mike, and not a moment too soon. This joint could use a touch of class. You may not believe this, but while you were gone, many of our distinguished members have engaged in endless political discussions.  So much so, that complaints have been registered as to the lack of flyfishing content in the newsgroup. Kevin, sleeping easier tonight.

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http://www.mikeconnor.de Hope you enjoy it. TL MC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, Good to see you, or at least your powerful words, again. You were always with us, but I like this better. Danl PS If you’ve been lurking, you know that I’m learning to tie, ahem, dress flies. That web site of yours would sure be handy about now. (hint, hint)

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<with his usual style and elegance Welcome back, Mike, and not a moment too soon. This joint could use a touch of class. You may not believe this, but while you were gone, many of our distinguished members have engaged in endless political discussions.  So much so, that complaints have been registered as to the lack of flyfishing content in the newsgroup. Kevin, sleeping easier tonight.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At eventide, slanting rays of sunlight, burnish rippling water red and gold, trout, at supper then, become less wary and some become quite bold. Angler, having worked quite hard all day, for really very poor returns, redoubles then his efforts, as the waning day to twilight turns. A spinner fall engages trout and angler, trout with abandon, angler tense, another pattern is tied on, and cast with care towards a fishes residence, landing perfectly, the fly floats down, drag free for several nervous feet, then vanishes without a sound, surprise for angler is complete. Awakening at last, from almost too intense and perfect concentration, angler sets the hook, and is rewarded with a surge of wild elation, as trout, far more surprised than angler, tries to be rid of stinging steel, surges strongly down the river, regretting now perhaps the meal. Holding fast, anticipating twists and turns, wild lunges, and even desperate leaps, angler plies his rod with skill, and on the fish, a steady but relentless pressure keeps. Another leap, the rod is bowed, and fish seems weary now, not far from beaten, perhaps he fights so desperately, because he fears he will be killed and eaten? At last the battle turns, and angler triumphantly deploys his landing net, taking care that one last desperate lunge, does not gain fish his freedom yet. silver beauty, pure enchantment, colours highlit by the final rays of summer sun, content, though not a little sad at fishes end, angler packs, another day is done. Homeward then, filled with peace, and dwelling on the days reflections, already planning other trips, and mentally designing deadly fly confections, once more the day has passed, but angling is a thing that never really ends, a pleasure for a man alone, and still a greater one to share with friends. Of such things and more, days filled with pure delight and beauty, are angling dreams, of happy hours spent wandering, with rod and line, by secret and enchanted streams, by mighty rivers, roaring surf, still and hidden pools and lakes, by thunderous waterfall, wherever fish are found, our angler there will venture, he can not resist the call. To pit his wits against the wary fish, see his fill of natures wondrous treasures, what man could be richer? or more blessed?, could there be greater pleasures? to sit in peace beside the rippling gurgling water on a summer day, lost in reverie, far from toil and bustle, and the stressful world, further than this, no man may flee. For many centuries now, ten countless times a thousand men have trod this way, thought much the same perhaps, while thus engaged in sport, as we are now today, cultures change, ideas alter, and much of humankind are followers of fashion, anglers thoughts though stay the same, because they follow this abiding and absorbing passion? How many men I wonder, have been so hopelessly and happily obsessed? immaterial of the changing times, the flies and tools which constantly progressed, odd indeed, that men should take such pleasure from a harmless fishes sad demise, consider though how poor our lives would be, if  fishes ceased from taking flies! TL MC

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I have some scans of pictures taken of the Elk River in BC that I obtained from the local fly shop.  If you wish, I could email them to you. Peter

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I have some scans of pictures taken of the Elk River in BC that I obtained from the local fly shop.  If you wish, I could email them to you. Peter

Sure Peter, thanks.  Have you ever fished there or know folks who do/have?  I have been to Canada a few times on hunting trips (going again next November to Anticosti) but never to BC and it does sound and look like it would be a wonderful trip. Before you buy.

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I regularly fish the Elk River and tribs in BC, as well as the Crowsnest and other rivers in SW Alberta. I live in Lethbridge, Alberta, just a short hop from the area. I also run a web page about fishing in the area. It is at: www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html Feel free to contact me by private e-mail to discuss this area, if you like. It is a wonderful place to fish. Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m contemplating a 3 day guided FF’ing trip in the spring.  I’ve wanted to do a pack trip to West Virginia to fish the Elk River and some of the surrounding streams for a few years, just have never gotten the time.  But recently I’ve received information on two other spots, one in particular, that sound enticing…one in North Carolina and one in eastern British Columbia. BC:  The Elk River and its tributaries that run through eastern BC and the East Kootenay valleys.  Trip would most likely be two days of walk and wade and one day of driftboat fishing.  According to my literature, native cuts are the standard catch.  Some of the other rivers mentioned are the Oldman River and the Crowsnest. It sounds like a spectactularly beautiful area. WV: Have been thinking about WV for some time now.  Namely the Elk River but other smaller streams/rivers in the area too.  Some mentioned are the Cheat, Dry Fork, Glady Fork.  I don’t know what it is but I just can’t get WV out of my mind when I think of destinations.  Big plus…it’s probably just a days drive. NC:  Again, the Elk, Linville, North and South Toe.  Don’t really know much about the area except that it’s ont too far a drive and I’ve been told the areas mentioned are beautiful spots and the fishing is very good. So if anyone out there has first hand knowledge of these areas I’d love to here your opinions and comments on them.  Especially the BC trip….maybe some of the ROFF Canuck contingency can help out here. Also, if anyone knows of a good guide or two for these areas I’d appreciate the info.  I have names of guide services for these areas but other than looking for the "O" seal of approval, I’m picking blindly. Any help/comments are appreciated.  If anyone wants to discuss in Thanks in advance. Natty Before you buy.

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I regularly fish the Elk River and tribs in BC, as well as the Crowsnest and other rivers in SW Alberta. I live in Lethbridge, Alberta, just a short hop from the area. I also run a web page about fishing in the area. It is at: www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html Feel free to contact me by private e-mail to discuss this area, if you like. It is a wonderful place to fish. Tim Lysyk

Tim, I notice you have a picture of the Frank Slide on the front of your page.  Probably anyone who fishes the Crow has one, (mine was taken a lttle further downstream.) Peter

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Actually, that is picture of very nice (and small in the picture) woman fly fishing in front of Turtle Mountain <G. By the way, I don’t take the pictures, my web page partner does (credit where credit is due). How often do you get this way?? Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I regularly fish the Elk River and tribs in BC, as well as the Crowsnest and other rivers in SW Alberta. I live in Lethbridge, Alberta, just a short hop from the area. I also run a web page about fishing in the area. It is at: www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html Feel free to contact me by private e-mail to discuss this area, if you like. It is a wonderful place to fish. Tim Lysyk Tim, I notice you have a picture of the Frank Slide on the front of your page.  Probably anyone who fishes the Crow has one, (mine was taken a lttle further downstream.) Peter

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I’m contemplating a 3 day guided FF’ing trip in the spring.  I’ve wanted to do a pack trip to West Virginia to fish the Elk River and some of the surrounding streams for a few years, just have never gotten the time.  But recently I’ve received information on two other spots, one in particular, that sound enticing…one in North Carolina and one in eastern British Columbia. BC:  The Elk River and its tributaries that run through eastern BC and the East Kootenay valleys.  Trip would most likely be two days of walk and wade and one day of driftboat fishing.  According to my literature, native cuts are the standard catch.  Some of the other rivers mentioned are the Oldman River and the Crowsnest. It sounds like a spectactularly beautiful area. WV: Have been thinking about WV for some time now.  Namely the Elk River but other smaller streams/rivers in the area too.  Some mentioned are the Cheat, Dry Fork, Glady Fork.  I don’t know what it is but I just can’t get WV out of my mind when I think of destinations.  Big plus…it’s probably just a days drive. NC:  Again, the Elk, Linville, North and South Toe.  Don’t really know much about the area except that it’s ont too far a drive and I’ve been told the areas mentioned are beautiful spots and the fishing is very good. So if anyone out there has first hand knowledge of these areas I’d love to here your opinions and comments on them.  Especially the BC trip….maybe some of the ROFF Canuck contingency can help out here. Also, if anyone knows of a good guide or two for these areas I’d appreciate the info.  I have names of guide services for these areas but other than looking for the "O" seal of approval, I’m picking blindly. Any help/comments are appreciated.  If anyone wants to discuss in Thanks in advance. Natty Before you buy.

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I’ve always thought it’s kind of bad form to just come right out and ask a question like, "Where are the best places to fish." I don’t really intend to criticise the original poster (was it Hawkeye?) about asking such a question, but it seems to me that you get better results from coming at the question in a little more roundabout way. It also helps to spend lots of money in local flyshops, and to leave the impression that you’re prepared to spend a lot more. Short of that, developing some kind of relationship with the people whose honey holes you want to discover is a good investment. It’s especially touchy when hot fishing spots are discussed openly in a public forum like ROFF. A little research about just who in the newsgroup is likely to be knowledgeable about a particular spot, and then some discrete private emails, would probably pay off better. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Actually, that is picture of very nice (and small in the picture) woman fly fishing in front of Turtle Mountain <G. By the way, I don’t take the pictures, my web page partner does (credit where credit is due). How often do you get this way?? Tim Lysyk

The mountain in my picture looks like the mountain in your picture, (I took it from Hwy 3) and the local brochures refered to the light gray part as the Frank Slide.  I never did get to know the name of the mountain. I’ve only been able to fish Alberta once (Little Staufer, the Bow and the Crow) but I’ve been out three times on business.  I’d love to get back to fish the Crow again, plus the Elk and the Livingston. BTW, loved that little white and red pizza restaurant in Fort MacLeod.  I thought Rocky Mountain House was quite the place.   Head-smashed-in was cool too.  I sat on the prairie and just drank in the smells. Fabulous place – I’d move in a twinkle if I could. (should I be saying this on the Usenet?  <g) Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I’ve always thought it’s kind of bad form to just come right out and ask a question like, "Where are the best places to fish

rw, I dont mind that type of question.  If the asker is naive enough  to ask I am experienced enough to lie. Old Fart

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kind of relationship with the people whose honey holes you want to discover is a good investment. It’s especially touchy when hot fishing spots are discussed openly in a public forum like ROFF. A little research about just who in the newsgroup is likely to be knowledgeable about a particular spot, and then some discrete private emails, would probably pay off better. (snipped)

Your point is well taken RW.  I’m not looking to invade anyones spot as whichever route I take will certainly be booked through a guide/outfitter.  I’m totally unfamiliar with those areas and without a guide would most likely be discovered months later fishing gear strapped to my back, rotting away in some wooded area, topo map and compass still in hand. I am merely seeking input from those who may have fished the streams and areas I mentioned, no particular part of the stream…that’s the guides job.  As for the private email, that is why I left my email in case someone didn’t want to get into the discussion in the open forum.  Maybe I’m wrong but I didn’t think it was proper Usenet protocol to contact people from the group via private email without an invitation to do so. I certainly understand folks not wanting to get into detailed location pointing here…I have my spots that I wouldn’t want to blab aloud too.  Sorry if it came out that way…if anyone wants to offer info I Natty (I promise I won’t bring hordes of NJ bred "cousin Vinnys" to your spot…:-) Before you buy.

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The grey part is where the slide started. I always feel a sense of awe driving through the slide. I can’t remember the name of the pizza place in Fort Macleod, but will be driving through there tomorrow so will try to remember to get it. I can see the building in my mind. I love this area too. I used to work in Lethbridge during the summers when I was in university (78-80), and always dreamed of coming back to stay. I did in 1989. If you are ever come out this way again…..gimme a call. Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually, that is picture of very nice (and small in the picture) woman fly fishing in front of Turtle Mountain <G. By the way, I don’t take the pictures, my web page partner does (credit where credit is due). How often do you get this way?? Tim Lysyk The mountain in my picture looks like the mountain in your picture, (I took it from Hwy 3) and the local brochures refered to the light gray part as the Frank Slide.  I never did get to know the name of the mountain. I’ve only been able to fish Alberta once (Little Staufer, the Bow and the Crow) but I’ve been out three times on business.  I’d love to get back to fish the Crow again, plus the Elk and the Livingston. BTW, loved that little white and red pizza restaurant in Fort MacLeod.  I thought Rocky Mountain House was quite the place.   Head-smashed-in was cool too.  I sat on the prairie and just drank in the smells. Fabulous place – I’d move in a twinkle if I could. (should I be saying this on the Usenet?  <g) Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at

http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I used your deja address for the photos – should I have used the other? Peter

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I used your deja address for the photos – should I have used the other?

That’s fine Peter.  Truth is I only created a Deja address to keep from getting spammed on the other and actually have never checked it.  I can pick them up from deja mail.  Thanks very much! Natty Before you buy.

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Your point is well taken RW.  I’m not looking to invade anyones spot as whichever route I take will certainly be booked through a guide/outfitter.  

Don’t worry about it. Like I said, I wasn’t criticising you. Natty (I promise I won’t bring hordes of NJ bred "cousin Vinnys" to your spot…:-)

— visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I did in 1989. If you are ever come out this way again…..gimme a call.

Count on it Peter

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I am planning a trip to Ixtapa, Mexico in March and was hoping someone might have some information on fly fishing opportunities in the area.  The brochures mainly describe fishing for swordfish, but I am hoping there might be a guide that specializes in fly fishing.  Thanks in advance for your help. Rob

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There are bones and snook and even some tarpon inside the sand bars. BUT!!! be prepared. They re all SMALL. Bones average in 1-2# range with snook averaging only at about 2-3# the only tarpon I have ever caouht or seen there have never been over 10# Dont get me wrong they are all great figters and take a fly readilly but just dont go looking for Keys sized fish there. Have fun with ‘em

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I am visiting Acapulco the week of Feb 6-15 and will be also visiting a lake in the mountains outside of Acapulco…. 1.  where can i find more (basic) info on the saltwater flyfishing opportunities nearby?  i have zero experience in salt water. 2.  can i flyfish in the nearby lakes and what am i likely to catch? PS  Thanks to whomever described the construction of schedule 40 pvc rod tubes.  I went to home depot and  bought all the stuff i needed for two bombproof rod tubes for only $12!  I replaced a couple of cheap black scott rod tubes.  Those things were worthless at temps above 75 degrees, thin, black, abs tubing. I’d love to do some fishing in Mexico….. bruiser

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am visiting Acapulco the week of Feb 6-15 and will be also visiting a lake in the mountains outside of Acapulco…. 1.  where can i find more (basic) info on the saltwater flyfishing opportunities nearby?  i have zero experience in salt water. 2.  can i flyfish in the nearby lakes and what am i likely to catch? PS  Thanks to whomever described the construction of schedule 40 pvc rod tubes.  I went to home depot and  bought all the stuff i needed for two bombproof rod tubes for only $12!  I replaced a couple of cheap black scott rod tubes. Those things were worthless at temps above 75 degrees, thin, black, abs tubing. I’d love to do some fishing in Mexico….. bruiser

Largemouth Bass or cichlids  (Peacock Bass family).  You can’t go wrong with black leach patterns.

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Try www.fish-r-us.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am visiting Acapulco the week of Feb 6-15 and will be also visiting a lake in the mountains outside of Acapulco…. 1.  where can i find more (basic) info on the saltwater flyfishing opportunities nearby?  i have zero experience in salt water. 2.  can i flyfish in the nearby lakes and what am i likely to catch? PS  Thanks to whomever described the construction of schedule 40 pvc rod tubes.  I went to home depot and  bought all the stuff i needed for two bombproof rod tubes for only $12!  I replaced a couple of cheap black scott rod tubes. Those things were worthless at temps above 75 degrees, thin, black, abs tubing. I’d love to do some fishing in Mexico….. bruiser

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    Another question from me.. what is the best temp.(water temp) do the fish work at have been trying to read anything on the situation but so far have had no luck and am reluctant to ask the folks at the shop in case they think I am crazy.. have heard different numbers being bandied about but am wondering in specific areas like here in the foothills (calgary to be exact) what a "right" temperature might be?? Any ideas would be appreciated thanks for lending an ear and a hand in advice! Pierre

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trout can be very active at water temp 45F to 65F,    53-57 best.  Depends greatly on the local adaptations, and the "hatches". Schuhfly

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Also 35F to 40F water as on the San Juan. Devon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – trout can be very active at water temp 45F to 65F,    53-57 best.  Depends greatly on the local adaptations, and the "hatches". Schuhfly

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    Another question from me.. what is the best temp.(water temp) do the fish work at have been trying to read anything on the situation but so far have had no luck and am reluctant to ask the folks at the shop in case they think I am crazy.. have heard different numbers being bandied

Fish prefer different water temperatures, when they are likely to feed most actively, e.g. approx. 60 Fahr. for stream trout, 70 for smallmouth bass, etc.  Recommended temperatures are in several books, e.g. McClane’s Fishing Encyclopedia.  Water temp. is a guide how to fish, e.g. wet or dry, not whether to fish or not.  If you can present a fly really close to a fish without scaring him, he is likely to take it whatever the temperature. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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The "rule" I follow is to ensure that the air and water temp. do not vary by more than 10 c. This is for Atlantic Salmon fishing in the Maritimes. I cannot tell you if there is any documentation on this, however, the "good old boys" on the River will say this.                                           Robert – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Another question from me.. what is the best temp.(water temp) do the fish work at have been trying to read anything on the situation but so far have had no luck and am reluctant to ask the folks at the shop in case they think I am crazy.. have heard different numbers being bandied about but am wondering in specific areas like here in the foothills (calgary to be exact) what a "right" temperature might be?? Any ideas would be appreciated thanks for lending an ear and a hand in advice! Pierre

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   Another question from me.. what is the best temp.(water temp) do the fish work at have been trying to read anything on the situation but so far have had no luck and am reluctant to ask the folks at the shop in case they think I am crazy.. have heard different numbers being bandied about but am wondering in specific areas like here in the foothills (calgary to be exact) what a "right" temperature might be?? Any ideas would be appreciated thanks for lending an ear and a hand in advice! Pierre

Hi All, Different species have different comfort ranges. I think that the activity can vary from stream to stream depending the norm. I have noticed that trout feed better between 55 and 65 degrees. If the water is a little too cold, I always fish more in the mid-day when the water is warming. If the water is too warm, I fish very early and late in the day when the water is cooler. Most fisheries have a two to six week window in the spring/early summer when the water is coming down and warming with all the larger bugs hatching. They can have a fall season too, when the water is cooling and the fish are feeding up for winter. Here in Northern California on a normal snow pack/runoff year, June and October are our top months for trout at a medium elevation (2,000 to 6,000′). Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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trout can be very active at water temp 45F to 65F,    53-57 best.  Depends greatly on the local adaptations, and the "hatches".

…and the species.  Lake trout like it colder than Brown trout, for example. Also I find trout seem to tolerate excesses of cold more than heat. — -Wayne Trzyna                           Fight spam! Join CAUCE (Coalition  http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~trzyna    See http://www.cauce.org/

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I live in Lake Tahoe, Ca., and everyday on my way to and from work I drive by miles of the Carson River.  I have only just started flyfishing this season and have not had much chance "yet" to stop and try some of the still water.  My question is this; will the road noise impact fishing on rivers such as this?  If so, what is a comfortable distance from the road to the river for the fish?  At places, the road is approx 40 feet horizontal and about 35-40 feet vertical distance from the river and is fairly busy w/ cars and large trucks. Rich

      My favorite fishen hole is in a little canal off the St.John’s river. right under the I-4 bridge as it rises to cross the river and people are always pulling off 17/92 where it goes along side Lake Monrow. They get used to it. If you got room to cast, the water looks right go fishen.                                                          John Popp                                                      in Sanford Fl.

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That’s the key… it’s right on the way home from work!    I used to have that situation with a beautiful little mountain lake.  It was a mile down a dirt road, right on the way home from work.  I brought my float tube to work every day.  If the weather got shitty and I didn’t get to fish for a day or two on the way home, I started getting very irritable — withdrawl symptoms! You’re lucky to have a place like that, I think.

Yea, it is nice this time of the year, it’s the other six months I get tired of. I commute over a 7800′ mountain in some of the most incredible snow storms you can imagine! I guess the hard Winters are what makes this time of year especially enjoyable.  I can’t believe I have waited so long  (14 years) to take up fly fishing, late bloomer I suppose!  So much time to make up for, but I am up to the job!!! Rich

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Rich, The water in the Carson is too rough for a little vibration from a truck or car to bother the trout.  Both forks of the Carson are good fly fishing streams. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail GO TO http://users.ccnet.com/~emh FOR TRAVEL TIE BOX PLANS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I live in Lake Tahoe, Ca., and everyday on my way to and from work I drive by miles of the Carson River.  I have only just started flyfishing this season and have not had much chance "yet" to stop and try some of the still water.  My question is this; will the road noise impact fishing on rivers such as this?  If so, what is a comfortable distance from the road to the river for the fish?  At places, the road is approx 40 feet horizontal and about 35-40 feet vertical distance from the river and is fairly busy w/ cars and large trucks. Rich

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Set up hard on a 3 inch brook trout sending it into the windshield of a passing car…. "Jeeeeeezus Martha….Didja see THAT bug…criminy  !" — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Set up hard on a 3 inch brook trout sending it into the windshield of a passing car…. "Jeeeeeezus Martha….Didja see THAT bug…criminy  !"

    For a moment I thought this was a response to the "Frying Pan, Roaring Fork" thread. Reminds me of some of the lower water on the Pan. Tom Christian External Technology Program Hewlett-Packard Laboratories 3404 East Harmony Road Fort Collins, CO 80528-9599 Phone: (970) 898-3531 FAX: (970) 898-6198

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My question is this; will the road noise impact fishing on rivers such as this?  If so, what is a comfortable distance from the road to the river for the fish?  At places, the road is approx 40 feet horizontal and about 35-40 feet vertical distance from the river and is fairly busy w/ cars and large trucks.

I don’t think fish can hear the noises that we on the bank can hear but they can feel vibrations and river bed disturbance. Some of my best fish have been caught immediately under a UK motorway bridge (a very busy dual carriage way road).  The noise drives me up the wall but the fish don’t seem to notice it – at least, they favour the deep pool below / under / above the bridge.  But they know all about it if I stumble through the pool in the dark in my studded waders… Street lights are also a problem for those of us who fish for sea trout by night. I’ve heard that migratory fish are intimidated by bridges and other over-water structures.  Anyone have any knowledge / theories on this? — Phil Jones

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The water in the Carson is too rough for a little vibration from a truck or car to bother the trout.  Both forks of the Carson are good fly fishing streams.

Almost too rough for a newbie! Tried it with a weighted wooly bugger and single split shot. Never even felt the bottom!

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Last August I was on highway 50 heading back to SF from Tahoe.  This road runs along the (North Branch?) American River which looked fishable along certain spots.  It’s a two lane highway with loads of traffic and about 40′ above water level.  Parked alongside the road I could spot several trout beside a large boulder less than 5 feet from shore.  Traffic didn’t seem to be bothering them.  Mu Young Lee         Ann Arbor, MI  o             oooo                          o   o   o o   o o o  o – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I live in Lake Tahoe, Ca., and everyday on my way to and from work I drive by miles of the Carson River.  I have only just started flyfishing this season and have not had much chance "yet" to stop and try some of the still water.  My question is this; will the road noise impact fishing on rivers such as this?  If so, what is a comfortable distance from the road to the river for the fish?  At places, the road is approx 40 feet horizontal and about 35-40 feet vertical distance from the river and is fairly busy w/ cars and large trucks. Rich

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This is a tough time of year to fly fish any of the Sierra streams.  It will get better around the end of June.   — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail GO TO http://users.ccnet.com/~emh FOR TRAVEL TIE BOX PLANS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The water in the Carson is too rough for a little vibration from a truck or car to bother the trout.  Both forks of the Carson are good fly fishing streams. Almost too rough for a newbie! Tried it with a weighted wooly bugger and single split shot. Never even felt the bottom!

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I live in Lake Tahoe, Ca., and everyday on my way to and from work I drive by miles of the Carson River.  I have only just started flyfishing this season and have not had much chance "yet" to stop and try some of the still water.  My question is this; will the road noise impact fishing on rivers such as this?  If so, what is a comfortable distance from the road to the river for the fish?  At places, the road is approx 40 feet horizontal and about 35-40 feet vertical distance from the river and is fairly busy w/ cars and large trucks. Rich

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I live in Lake Tahoe, Ca., and everyday on my way to and from work I drive by miles of the Carson River.  I have only just started flyfishing this season and have not had much chance "yet" to stop and try some of the still water.  My question is this; will the road noise impact fishing on rivers such as this?  If so, what is a comfortable distance from the road to the river for the fish?  At places, the road is approx 40 feet horizontal and about 35-40 feet vertical distance from the river and is fairly busy w/ cars and large trucks. Rich

What’s the water like?  Whitewater drowns out other noise VERY well.  I’ve fished on the Wilson in Oregon, highway 6 runs right along the river.  Standing near the whitewater with a tree or two to hide the cars and you’d think you were in the middle of nowhere.  On the other hand, the sound of the water can get "deafening" after a while.  I’m used to it, but my brother was visiting and had to leave for a bit to let his ears stop ringing. Why don’t you go try it and see?  If you like it, stay, if not try to find somewhere else. Later,      - Ken

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What’s the water like?

Right now it’s it’s fairly fast due to snow melt off, in fact I think it’s too deep for good fishing although I have tried it up river a bit.  I will definately try it as a bit at a time.  I figure it will be  great way to unwind on the way home from work this summer!  

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What’s the water like? Right now it’s it’s fairly fast due to snow melt off, in fact I think it’s too deep for good fishing although I have tried it up river a bit.  I will definately try it as a bit at a time.  I figure it will be  great way to unwind on the way home from work this summer!

That’s the key… it’s right on the way home from work!    I used to have that situation with a beautiful little mountain lake.  It was a mile down a dirt road, right on the way home from work.  I brought my float tube to work every day.  If the weather got shitty and I didn’t get to fish for a day or two on the way home, I started getting very irritable — withdrawl symptoms! You’re lucky to have a place like that, I think. Bob Scott

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Rich,     The fish are probably acclimated to the road noise and not bothered by it at all. I’ve fished spots much closer to the road and I’m sure I’m not the only one in the group to get spooled on the back cast (a Ford in my case).             Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I live in Lake Tahoe, Ca., and everyday on my way to and from work I drive by miles of the Carson River.  I have only just started flyfishing this season and have not had much chance "yet" to stop and try some of the still water. My question is this; will the road noise impact fishing on rivers such as this?  If so, what is a comfortable distance from the road to the river for the fish?  At places, the road is approx 40 feet horizontal and about 35-40 feet vertical distance from the river and is fairly busy w/ cars and large trucks. Rich

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I’m going to try shad fishing this year in Mass.  Any recommendations for flies to tie?   Any other tips would also be appreciated.   _Rich_

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  I’m going to try shad fishing this year in Mass.  Any   recommendations   for flies to tie?   Any other tips would also be appreciated.     _Rich_ Last year at the Merrimack River I had good luck with small clousers.  I can’t honestly say I was trying to catch just shad, but that’s what took the fly.  The most important aspect of this type of fishing is getting the fly down to where the fish are, any fly reasonably close in imitation will work as long as it gets down to the fish.  In a strong current you’re going to need a weighted line such as a Teeny 350, let the current and the line do the work for you. Don

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Last year at the Merrimack River I had good luck with small clousers.  I can’t honestly say I was trying to catch just shad, but that’s what took the fly.  The most important aspect of this type of fishing is getting the fly down to where the fish are, any fly reasonably close in imitation will work as long as it gets down to the fish.  In a strong current you’re going to need a weighted line such as a Teeny 350, let the current and the line do the work for you. Don

I’ve been shad fishing the past two weekends on the Roanoke River in NC and have had the best success with 2-1/0 white/yellow clousers.  Everyone says to go small(6-4), but I did much better with the larger flies.  Granted, these are Hickory shad, but they did seem to prefer the larger fly.  I also had a lot of success with a gold or silver ’spoon’  fly(braided mylar coated with epoxy). The visibility in the Roanoke hasn’t been great, and they really seemed to like the flash.  -William Ivey   Raleigh, NC

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Just to clarify my previous post – Summit County, Colorado. Zemel

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Anyone have good info on fly fishing in Cabo San Lucas?  I am going down in April and would love some salt water action.   Keith McDonald Columbia Homes, Inc. 206-222-6317

Be sure and read the article on "Gonzalo’s" under rec.outdoors.fishing.saltwater.  Don’t think I’d mess with them from those other people’s experience.

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 Anyone have good info on fly fishing in Cabo San Lucas?  I am going down – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – in April and would love some salt water action.   Keith McDonald Columbia Homes, Inc. 206-222-6317

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Couple questions from a group newcomer: 1) Heading to Summit County in March – any suggestions, away from towns preferrably? 2) I need some cold-weather fishing gloves – again, any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Mitch Zemel

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I am looking for information on fishing the San Juan river in New Mexico during the month of November.  I,ve been told that it is a time to fish mostly nymphs, SJ worms and midges.  Looking for a guide and a place to stay.  Will mostl likely be there second weekend (Thur-Sun) in Nov.  How is the weather at that time of the year?  Do I need very warm clothing?  I indend to fish an Orvis Far & Fine 5wt., will that be enough rod, as I also have an Orvis Performer 6wt. Thanks Mike Recine

Mike, November is a great time to fish the San Juan.   Check out Abe’s for motel, and "Born and Raised" for a great guide (Abe’ son Tim). Phone #s are in the back of any fly fishing mag. Nymphs are the usual, however, a warm sunny day can give you a hatch in the early afternoon.  Again, check with the guide ahead of time to see what might be hatching in Nov. Weather will likely be cold in the mornings, and comfortable 50s/60s in the afternoons.  The river is in a canyon, so is protected from sun’s warming till mid-morning.  The wind following the canyons can be tough at times, especially if the temps are down.  Layers of clothing is key to being comfortable. A 5wt is fine and if you have an light touch, you can do it with a 4 wt. There are some large trout.  My biggest was 24" and I caught 6 22" in one afternoon – most on my 5, two on my 4. (I have not been able to repeat that outstanding afternoon yet, but the memory is still fresh) Enjoy ! Dee    

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I am looking for information on fishing the San Juan river in New Mexico during the month of November.  I,ve been told that it is a time to fish mostly nymphs, SJ worms and midges.  Looking for a guide and a place to stay.  Will mostl likely be there second weekend (Thur-Sun) in Nov.  How is the weather at that time of the year?  Do I need very warm clothing?  I indend to fish an Orvis Far & Fine 5wt., will that be enough rod, as I also have an Orvis Performer 6wt. Thanks Mike Recine

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You need waders year round in the San Juan. Water temp is around 50 degrees. 5mm neoprene.

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Some friends and I are going fishing on the San Juan the last week of June? Question: how cold is the San Juan at that time of year. I need to know to prepare  myself with waders, if necessary or just fish in shorts. And what is the ambient temp of the air during the day along the river? I need to decide on waders and what type, or just stick to shorts. Michael — Michael Paine Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens.

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Hi folks

I’ve been lurking here for a few weeks, and based on what I’ve seen,  I have to say that this is a downright nasty group! Now don’t go out and flame  me or anything, but some of the responses to concerns/stories/etc reek of egos  bigger than ‘the one that got away’. I realize that there are plenty of people who are nice and friendly and using the net for it’s intended purpose – info exchange, stories, etc., but some of you just take yourselves far too seriously. Lighten up. There are thousands of ways to fish, and the way you do it will always be the ‘wrong’ way according to someone else.  And if you think someone is bullshitting, remember that we All bullshit sometimes – yes even you! Take it in stride – we’re all here to have fun. Remember…you were as dumb as the rest of us once.  So let me tell you about the 290 lb perch I got last weekend… _____ Right on, I couldn’t agree with you more!

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So let me tell you about the 290 lb perch I got last weekend…

        Probably fishing downstream from Three-Mile Island, eh?              Russell N. Sehnoutka                  AT&T – Bell Laboratories                  Naperville, Illinois                 (708) 979-7798            

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Path: darkside!constellation!news.uoknor.edu!ns1.nodak.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!new s.u.wa shington.edu!Fox Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Organization: University of Washington Lines: 22 Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[8114] NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.95.148.91 Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender’s name. Hi folks I’ve been lurking here for a few weeks, and based on what I’ve seen,  I have to say that this is a downright nasty group! Now don’t go out and flame  me or anything, but some of the responses to concerns/stories/etc reek of egos  bigger than ‘the one that got away’. I realize that there are plenty of people who are nice and friendly and using the net for it’s intended purpose – info exchange, stories, etc., but some of you just take yourselves far too seriously. Lighten up. There are thousands of ways to fish, and the way you do it will always be the ‘wrong’ way according to someone else.  And if you think someone is bullshitting, remember that we All bullshit sometimes – yes even you! Take it in stride – we’re all here to have fun. Remember…you were as dumb as the rest of us once.  So let me tell you about the 290 lb perch I got last weekend… _____ Right on, I couldn’t agree with you more!

I’m sorry, but I must disagree.  I subscribe to several newsgroups and this one is the most flame free of any I read.  I have posted articles about fishing for catfish and even carp (not the USA’s most popular fish) and I have never read a reply or follow that felt like flame to me. Of course there are varying opinions as to what to fish for, where, when, and how to catch it, and what tackle to use.  But those I have never read a post that appeared to put anyone down for their personal preferences. Probably the most heated debate has been over C&R (catch & release) vs. catch & keep.  Even in that argument, I feel the posts have been honest and have tried to remain civilized.  I’ve never seen any serious arguments along the lines of: "Real men only fish for Bass",  "Fly fishing is art, anything else is just work", or "Freshwater fish are all wimps, saltwater is where the real fish live". Of course, you’d expect a certain amount of trolling on a newsgroup concerned with fishing  I have even suggested this newsgroup to trollers on other groups.  But it’s the good natured fish story type of troll (290# perch indeed!), not the nasty type that’s meant to embarass (Sp.?) newbies on other groups. In short, this newsgroup and ALT.FISHING are about as laid back as a usenet newsgroup could be.  Just what I’d expect for a group of anglers/fishermen/fisherpersons (take your pick). Good Luck and Good Fishing! Richard

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Hi folks I’ve been lurking here for a few weeks, and based on what I’ve seen,  I have to say that this is a downright nasty group! Now don’t go out and flame me or anything, but some of the responses to concerns/stories/etc reek of egos bigger than ‘the one that got away’. I realize that there are plenty of people who are nice and friendly and using the net for it’s intended purpose – info exchange, stories, etc., but some of you just take yourselves far too seriously. Lighten up. There are thousands of ways to fish, and the way you do it will always be the ‘wrong’ way according to someone else.  And if you think someone is bullshitting, remember that we All bullshit sometimes – yes even you! Take it in stride – we’re all here to have fun. Remember…you were as dumb as the rest of us once. So let me tell you about the 290 lb perch I got last weekend…

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So let me tell you about the 290 lb perch I got last weekend…

   Hey, tell us you were fishing in the Nile and we’ll believe you!  Mac McDougald            *   Any opinions expressed herein are  The Photography Center   *   not necessarily (actually, are  UNIV of TN, Knoxville    *   almost CERTAINLY NOT) those of UTK.  (615-974-3449)           *    than they’ve ever been before."    

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