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My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? — Stay connected, Carl D. Sgro

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My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river?

Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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Last Feb we stayed at Rim Shoals campground. They had some nice cabins, small but clean and nice place to sleep.  I generally day trip it over there and dont spend the night much . . it’s about a 3 hour drive. Bob Patton: Where are you from ? -wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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Wayne: Me and a new buddy are heading up to the Norfork or White this Saturday for a daytrip.  Want to meet up with us Saturday morning? Memphis Jim (Inventor of the Impromptu Ozark Clave)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last Feb we stayed at Rim Shoals campground. They had some nice cabins, small but clean and nice place to sleep.  I generally day trip it over there and dont spend the night much . . it’s about a 3 hour drive. Bob Patton: Where are you from ? -wayne My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river?

Norfork River Resort in Salesville, AR. Very nice, new cabins. Actually on the Norfork River, a tributary of the White, approximately 1 mile from the confluence. http://www.arkansas.com/attractions/attr_detail/r/Ozarks/id/90359/lr/…

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Man I would love to but my daughter’s last fall soccer game is this saturday. I dont think it would be cool for me (also the head coach) to skip the game. Then right after it’s over I have to go to mother-in-laws birthday dinner . . . . so saturday’s booked . . . . Maybe we can hook up another time . . . -wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wayne: Me and a new buddy are heading up to the Norfork or White this Saturday for a daytrip.  Want to meet up with us Saturday morning? Memphis Jim (Inventor of the Impromptu Ozark Clave) Last Feb we stayed at Rim Shoals campground. They had some nice cabins, small but clean and nice place to sleep.  I generally day trip it over there and dont spend the night much . . it’s about a 3 hour drive. Bob Patton: Where are you from ? -wayne My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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Excuses excuses. How can you become a flyfishing hermit when you are attentive to the needs of your loved ones? Memphis Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Man I would love to but my daughter’s last fall soccer game is this saturday. I dont think it would be cool for me (also the head coach) to skip the game. Then right after it’s over I have to go to mother-in-laws birthday dinner . . . . so saturday’s booked . . . . Maybe we can hook up another time . . . -wayne Wayne: Me and a new buddy are heading up to the Norfork or White this Saturday for a daytrip.  Want to meet up with us Saturday morning? Memphis Jim (Inventor of the Impromptu Ozark Clave) Last Feb we stayed at Rim Shoals campground. They had some nice cabins, small but clean and nice place to sleep.  I generally day trip it over there and dont spend the night much . . it’s about a 3 hour drive. Bob Patton: Where are you from ? -wayne My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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I understand . . . LOL  . . . It looks like the first Sat I will be able to get away is going to be the 23rd.  . . . . wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Excuses excuses. How can you become a flyfishing hermit when you are attentive to the needs of your loved ones? Memphis Jim Man I would love to but my daughter’s last fall soccer game is this saturday. I dont think it would be cool for me (also the head coach) to skip the game. Then right after it’s over I have to go to mother-in-laws birthday dinner . . . . so saturday’s booked . . . . Maybe we can hook up another time . . . -wayne Wayne: Me and a new buddy are heading up to the Norfork or White this Saturday  for a daytrip.  Want to meet up with us Saturday morning? Memphis Jim (Inventor of the Impromptu Ozark Clave) Last Feb we stayed at Rim Shoals campground. They had some nice  cabins, small but clean and nice place to sleep.  I generally day trip it over there and dont spend the night much . . it’s about a 3 hour drive. Bob Patton: Where are you from ? -wayne My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can  someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? Try this one:  http://www.gastons.com Never been there myself, but it’s probably the best known place on  the White. — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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Check out http://www.mtnhome.net/brf/ Dale Fulton owns a fine fly shop in Mountain Home, AR, has access to guides, and has cabins on the river.  Also see http://www.mtnhome.net/fultons/ I have no direct relationship with Dale, other than I’ve shopped there, stayed in his lodge, and generally endorse him as a fine guy. Best, John. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I are looking to fly fish on the white river.  can someone recomend a guide and a lodge that has cabins on the river? — Stay connected, Carl D. Sgro

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This is to all those who have fished or want to fish in Nordic countries (Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland) Feel free to join and chat and share your experiences or ask questions! How to sign in? See below. -mm- Hello, Welcome to the NordicFlyfishing group at Yahoo! Groups, a free, easy-to-use email group service.  Please take a moment to review this message. To start sending messages to members of this group, simply send email to If you do not wish to belong to NordicFlyfishing, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to You may also visit the Yahoo! Groups web site to modify your subscriptions: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Regards, Moderator, NordicFlyfishing

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This is to all those who have fished or want to fish in Nordic countries (Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland) Feel free to join and chat and share your experiences or ask questions! How to sign in? See below. -mm- Hello, Welcome to the NordicFlyfishing group at Yahoo! Groups, a free, easy-to-use email group service.  Please take a moment to review this message. Sign in at  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NordicFlugfiske To start sending messages to members of this group, simply send email to If you do not wish to belong to NordicFlyfishing, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to You may also visit the Yahoo! Groups web site to modify your subscriptions: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Regards, Moderator, NordicFlyfishing

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Do you get paid for the number of post you make?

Shit, if this were a payin’ gig, then Wolfgang would be posting from a beach cabana on Moorea, with a topless Polynesian babe taking dictation on one hand and another topping up his drink on the other. Kevin, filling out my application for the executive assistant position.

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Do you get paid for the number of post you make? Shit, if this were a payin’ gig, then Wolfgang would be posting from a beach cabana on Moorea, with a topless Polynesian babe taking dictation on one hand and another topping up his drink on the other.

Not much interested in the Pacific islands.  If this were a paying gig I would donate the proceeds to the Help Jeff Find a Poor Person Foundation. Wolfgang no charge for this one

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Do you get paid for the number of post you make? — Op "Look, strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.  Supreme executive power is derived from a mandate from the masses, not from some  farcical aquatic ceremony.  I mean, if I went around saying I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away. -Dennis the (Bloody) peasant-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are LOTS of reports and info on the Salmon River here: http://www.FishUSA.com/FishSalmonRiver/ Weeks of planning, rod building, fly tying, and preparations came to fruition on Thursday evening as Craig rolled up my driveway for a quick dinner. We’d been trying to stretch this weekend trip into three days, and this year SWMBO had conceded a Thursday night departure to allow us a full day of fishing on Friday. All systems were "go".   I was a bit apprehensive about the 6-hour, high-speed drive in Craig’s Ford Explorer with Firestone Wilderness AT tires; but throwing caution to the wind, we headed for the interstate.   By 1 a.m., we’d made N. Syracuse and found a cheap motel for a few hours of shuteye after taste testing a couple fine bourbons and draining a Sleemans or two.   So far, so good. Thanks to two travel alarms and a beeping wristwatch, we headed north before dawn and made Altmar, NY around 7:30.   Dave (ND#1) was to be just upstream from the Altmar bridge (same spot as his ROFF Faces photo), and after rigging the rods & suiting up, I walked out on the bridge to look for him.   Lots of fishermen, but I couldn’t make out anyone with a "roff on the Rapid" hat. In the river below, however, I could make out a few nice salmon holding in the pool above the bridge.   I’ll look for Dave later. Craig & I fished the pool for about a half hour with no luck.   My casting elbow was sore, and I took a break to walk upstream and checked for Dave again. Still no Dave; and I walked back down to the bridge.   I shouted downstream to Craig that I didn’t see anyone with a matching hat when someone says, "excuse me?" from across the river. It’s Dave.   We exchange greetings and introductions across the water; but not until we break for lunch do we get to shake hands and say hello.   After coaxing a few leftover chili dogs out of the lunch shack women, we sat and chatted a while in the 70 degree sunshine along the Salmon River.   It’s a beautiful day. Dave gives me a hint ("Wait ’til you get home") but is unspecific about some roff goings-on I’ve missed the evening before.   I have a pretty good idea about who’s at the center of it. After lunch, Dave takes me upstream to one of his "good spots".   The river joining from the left tumbles over a wide, rocky shallow into a fast rapid on the main stem.   At the confluence, a long narrow seam of slow water runs along the mouth.   Salmon heading upriver move through and hold in this area, and you can stand in the riffles above and watch them.   Dave’s using a sink tip, and he can skillfully place his orange comet right in their faces.   He gets a lot of hookups and lands a couple before I manage to get into the action myself. We’ re standing so close to the fish, I actually have to stand back from the flow and keep only about 18 inches of line past my tip top.   I’m using a floating line with a couple bb’s, and I have trouble getting down to the fish before the current sweeps my fly past. Eventually I figured out the right combination of location and drift, and I got a good hookup on an orange egg pattern.   After a relatively short and (thankfully) local fight, the salmon ended up in a snapshot before resuming its thoughts of reproduction.   In the last hour before sunset, the action got hot, and Dave and I had at least one double header going.   It would have made a nice roff picture, but with both of us leaning on bent-over rods, we couldn’t enlist another photographer before we lost the fish. Sundown and darkness came too soon, and we had to call it a day.   At Dave’s car, there was just enough light for me to check out his self-made cane rod. Damned nice.   I was sorry it was too dark to try it out.   Day one of the trip ended with us saying goodbye and hoping to meet again in the future. Day two…. Joe F.

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There are LOTS of reports and info on the Salmon River here: http://www.FishUSA.com/FishSalmonRiver/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Weeks of planning, rod building, fly tying, and preparations came to fruition on Thursday evening as Craig rolled up my driveway for a quick dinner.   We’d been trying to stretch this weekend trip into three days, and this year SWMBO had conceded a Thursday night departure to allow us a full day of fishing on Friday. All systems were "go".   I was a bit apprehensive about the 6-hour, high-speed drive in Craig’s Ford Explorer with Firestone Wilderness AT tires; but throwing caution to the wind, we headed for the interstate.   By 1 a.m., we’d made N. Syracuse and found a cheap motel for a few hours of shuteye after taste testing a couple fine bourbons and draining a Sleemans or two.   So far, so good. Thanks to two travel alarms and a beeping wristwatch, we headed north before dawn and made Altmar, NY around 7:30.   Dave (ND#1) was to be just upstream from the Altmar bridge (same spot as his ROFF Faces photo), and after rigging the rods & suiting up, I walked out on the bridge to look for him.   Lots of fishermen, but I couldn’t make out anyone with a "roff on the Rapid" hat.   In the river below, however, I could make out a few nice salmon holding in the pool above the bridge.   I’ll look for Dave later. Craig & I fished the pool for about a half hour with no luck.   My casting elbow was sore, and I took a break to walk upstream and checked for Dave again. Still no Dave; and I walked back down to the bridge.   I shouted downstream to Craig that I didn’t see anyone with a matching hat when someone says, "excuse me?" from across the river. It’s Dave.   We exchange greetings and introductions across the water; but not until we break for lunch do we get to shake hands and say hello.   After coaxing a few leftover chili dogs out of the lunch shack women, we sat and chatted a while in the 70 degree sunshine along the Salmon River.   It’s a beautiful day. Dave gives me a hint ("Wait ’til you get home") but is unspecific about some roff goings-on I’ve missed the evening before.   I have a pretty good idea about who’s at the center of it. After lunch, Dave takes me upstream to one of his "good spots".   The river joining from the left tumbles over a wide, rocky shallow into a fast rapid on the main stem.   At the confluence, a long narrow seam of slow water runs along the mouth.   Salmon heading upriver move through and hold in this area, and you can stand in the riffles above and watch them.   Dave’s using a sink tip, and he can skillfully place his orange comet right in their faces.   He gets a lot of hookups and lands a couple before I manage to get into the action myself.   We’ re standing so close to the fish, I actually have to stand back from the flow and keep only about 18 inches of line past my tip top.   I’m using a floating line with a couple bb’s, and I have trouble getting down to the fish before the current sweeps my fly past. Eventually I figured out the right combination of location and drift, and I got a good hookup on an orange egg pattern.   After a relatively short and (thankfully) local fight, the salmon ended up in a snapshot before resuming its thoughts of reproduction.   In the last hour before sunset, the action got hot, and Dave and I had at least one double header going.   It would have made a nice roff picture, but with both of us leaning on bent-over rods, we couldn’t enlist another photographer before we lost the fish. Sundown and darkness came too soon, and we had to call it a day.   At Dave’s car, there was just enough light for me to check out his self-made cane rod. Damned nice.   I was sorry it was too dark to try it out.   Day one of the trip ended with us saying goodbye and hoping to meet again in the future. Day two…. Joe F.

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I’d promised odd & interesting, but left one oddity out of my day 1 report. Tail hooking the sucker was odd enough, but I demonstrated another example of amazing fly fishing skill on this day.   I caught a rock. I know what you’re thinking, everybody catches rocks all the time.   True enough; but I actually managed to lasso a two-pound rock, reel it in, and land it with a fly rod.   On drifting my fly though a pool, I was able to masterfully swing the fly around the rock and hook it on the tippet in a perfect loop around the center of the rock.   Dave P. was kind enough to document this (actually, I couldn’t stop him) in one of his pics on ABPF. Joe F.

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I hear they tast like chicken

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d promised odd & interesting, but left one oddity out of my day 1 report. Tail hooking the sucker was odd enough, but I demonstrated another example of amazing fly fishing skill on this day.   I caught a rock. I know what you’re thinking, everybody catches rocks all the time.   True enough; but I actually managed to lasso a two-pound rock, reel it in, and land it with a fly rod.   On drifting my fly though a pool, I was able to masterfully swing the fly around the rock and hook it on the tippet in a perfect loop around the center of the rock.   Dave P. was kind enough to document this (actually, I couldn’t stop him) in one of his pics on ABPF. Joe F.

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Weeks of planning, rod building, fly tying, and preparations came to fruition on Thursday evening as Craig rolled up my driveway for a quick dinner.   We’d been trying to stretch this weekend trip into three days, and this year SWMBO had conceded a Thursday night departure to allow us a full day of fishing on Friday. All systems were "go".   I was a bit apprehensive about the 6-hour, high-speed drive in Craig’s Ford Explorer with Firestone Wilderness AT tires; but throwing caution to the wind, we headed for the interstate.   By 1 a.m., we’d made N. Syracuse and found a cheap motel for a few hours of shuteye after taste testing a couple fine bourbons and draining a Sleemans or two.   So far, so good. Thanks to two travel alarms and a beeping wristwatch, we headed north before dawn and made Altmar, NY around 7:30.   Dave (ND#1) was to be just upstream from the Altmar bridge (same spot as his ROFF Faces photo), and after rigging the rods & suiting up, I walked out on the bridge to look for him.   Lots of fishermen, but I couldn’t make out anyone with a "roff on the Rapid" hat.   In the river below, however, I could make out a few nice salmon holding in the pool above the bridge.   I’ll look for Dave later. Craig & I fished the pool for about a half hour with no luck.   My casting elbow was sore, and I took a break to walk upstream and checked for Dave again. Still no Dave; and I walked back down to the bridge.   I shouted downstream to Craig that I didn’t see anyone with a matching hat when someone says, "excuse me?" from across the river. It’s Dave.   We exchange greetings and introductions across the water; but not until we break for lunch do we get to shake hands and say hello.   After coaxing a few leftover chili dogs out of the lunch shack women, we sat and chatted a while in the 70 degree sunshine along the Salmon River.   It’s a beautiful day. Dave gives me a hint ("Wait ’til you get home") but is unspecific about some roff goings-on I’ve missed the evening before.   I have a pretty good idea about who’s at the center of it. After lunch, Dave takes me upstream to one of his "good spots".   The river joining from the left tumbles over a wide, rocky shallow into a fast rapid on the main stem.   At the confluence, a long narrow seam of slow water runs along the mouth.   Salmon heading upriver move through and hold in this area, and you can stand in the riffles above and watch them.   Dave’s using a sink tip, and he can skillfully place his orange comet right in their faces.   He gets a lot of hookups and lands a couple before I manage to get into the action myself.   We’ re standing so close to the fish, I actually have to stand back from the flow and keep only about 18 inches of line past my tip top.   I’m using a floating line with a couple bb’s, and I have trouble getting down to the fish before the current sweeps my fly past. Eventually I figured out the right combination of location and drift, and I got a good hookup on an orange egg pattern.   After a relatively short and (thankfully) local fight, the salmon ended up in a snapshot before resuming its thoughts of reproduction.   In the last hour before sunset, the action got hot, and Dave and I had at least one double header going.   It would have made a nice roff picture, but with both of us leaning on bent-over rods, we couldn’t enlist another photographer before we lost the fish. Sundown and darkness came too soon, and we had to call it a day.   At Dave’s car, there was just enough light for me to check out his self-made cane rod. Damned nice.   I was sorry it was too dark to try it out.   Day one of the trip ended with us saying goodbye and hoping to meet again in the future. Day two…. Joe F.

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Hello all; Looking for recommendations for a good smallmouth streams in the King of Prussia, Pennsylvania area.  I will be in the Hatboro/Philadelphia area on business Thursday and plan on a little fly fishing Thursday night and Friday.  I will be wading.  Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Joe

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A decent smallie area is the Perkiomen watershed park at routes 73 and 29 just outside of Collegeville (its in Schwenksville to be technical). Another area is the Evansburg park area on Germantown Pike. I can give you better directions if either sound appealing. Ron

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all; Looking for recommendations for a good smallmouth streams in the King of Prussia, Pennsylvania area.  I will be in the Hatboro/Philadelphia area on business Thursday and plan on a little fly fishing Thursday night and Friday.  I will be wading.  Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Joe

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I second the trashing of the Airflow lines.  I’ve only been fly fishing for 12 years, but for the last 2 years I’ve been ff about 4-5 times a week. I’ve used the Airflo Delta and Bass lines:  they suck terribly.  Never ever lose their memory hhhhhhhmmmmmmmm. I ike my  7 wt. forward.

Maybe they’re remembering the last nice fish you caught. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Never ever lose their memory hhhhhhhmmmmmmmm. I ike my  7 wt. forward. Maybe they’re remembering the last nice fish you caught. The bonito?

Yeah, that’s the one. What did it go?  Two, three pounds? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Never ever lose their memory hhhhhhhmmmmmmmm. I ike my  7 wt. forward. Maybe they’re remembering the last nice fish you caught.

The bonito? Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "The only people who have any business fishing are  young boys and married men. Everyone else should be  out getting laid."  …I said that.

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The bonito? Yeah, that’s the one. What did it go?  Two, three pounds?

Well, if you tie a 3 lb. bonito tail to tail with a 10 lb. trout, my bet is on the bonito!!!:) Lloyd Heilbrunn

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Which style line is it?  When did you get it? what kind of waters do you fish with it?  These conditions may have som bearing on the lines’ perfomance.  I fish for bass and pickerel in NJ where the water temperatures ranges from 50 to 85 degrees.  Actually I have noted no difference in the line’s coiling and tangling properties. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I second the trashing of the Airflow lines.  I’ve only been fly fishing for 12 years, but for the last 2 years I’ve been ff about 4-5 times a week. I’ve used the Airflo Delta and Bass lines:  they suck terribly.  Never ever lose their memory (when in Florida I stretched a line around my garage and left it in the 100 degree heat for 24 hours, and it still retained its memory coil) and they are sure to tangle on at least 25 to 50% of your casts. Even the cheapest Cortlands (333) and SAs are far better. Adam hhhhhhhmmmmmmmm. I ike my  7 wt. forward. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "The only people who have any business fishing are  young boys and married men. Everyone else should be  out getting laid."  …I said that.

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I second the trashing of the Airflow lines.   I’ve used the Airflo Delta and Bass lines:  they suck terribly.  Never ever lose their memory (when in Florida I stretched a line around my garage and left it in the 100 degree heat for 24 hours, and it still retained its memory coil) and they are sure to tangle on at least 25 to 50% of your casts.

I’ve not had those problems with an Airflo 4wt Long Belly. Mu

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I second the trashing of the Airflow lines.  I’ve only been fly fishing for 12 years, but for the last 2 years I’ve been ff about 4-5 times a week. I’ve used the Airflo Delta and Bass lines:  they suck terribly.  Never ever lose their memory (when in Florida I stretched a line around my garage and left it in the 100 degree heat for 24 hours, and it still retained its memory coil) and they are sure to tangle on at least 25 to 50% of your casts.  Even the cheapest Cortlands (333) and SAs are far better. Adam

hhhhhhhmmmmmmmm. I ike my  7 wt. forward. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "The only people who have any business fishing are  young boys and married men. Everyone else should be  out getting laid."  …I said that.

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I second the trashing of the Airflow lines.  I’ve only been fly fishing for 12 years, but for the last 2 years I’ve been ff about 4-5 times a week. I’ve used the Airflo Delta and Bass lines:  they suck terribly.  Never ever lose their memory (when in Florida I stretched a line around my garage and left it in the 100 degree heat for 24 hours, and it still retained its memory coil) and they are sure to tangle on at least 25 to 50% of your casts.  Even the cheapest Cortlands (333) and SAs are far better. Adam

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I need to organise a flyfishing competition for fathers day and I need a couple of ideas on how to go about it. We’re doing this in a shopping mall parking lot so we’re just concentrating on casting (distance or accuracy). Does any body have any suggestions that will allow novices as well as experts to have a good time? Ari

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I need to organise a flyfishing competition for fathers day and I need a couple of ideas on how to go about it. We’re doing this in a shopping mall parking lot so we’re just concentrating on casting (distance or accuracy). Does any body have any suggestions that will allow novices as well as experts to have a good time? Ari

        1.  paint a strip of the parking lot various shades of blue and green in an "s" curve about 90′ long.         2.  drag a few rocks from nearby rural areas into the parking lot and place them randomly within your painted area.         3.  cut out "fish" profiles from 1/4 inch plywood, paint them silver with a big red stripe down the middle and place them near the rocks.         4.  have large signs painted with the word "mountains" on them, and direct several beautiful, nubile women to hold them above their heads from time to time, placing the women on either side of the painted area.         5.  purchase a roff clave t-shirt for each of the women, ban or burn their bras, and hose them down every 5 or 10 minutes with tepid water.  the shirts can be purchased from little wayno’s outfitters (we never close) for the paltry sum of $50 each, including shipping.         6.  serve "carolina see-throughs" (vodka, tonic, no lime) to each contestant upon demand.         if you will follow those simple instructions, you won’t have to worry about silly impediments like rules or prizes.         as forty would say, "you’re welcome". for the firm wayno

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Thanks Man, Sounds cool for a sunny day but we’re in the middle of bloody winter over here and all the nubile girls round here know how rude it is to point. Oh and if we could attend any of your competitions over there that would be just great. Cheers Ari – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to organise a flyfishing competition for fathers day and I need a couple of ideas on how to go about it. We’re doing this in a shopping mall parking lot so we’re just concentrating on casting (distance or accuracy). Does any body have any suggestions that will allow novices as well as experts to have a good time? Ari    1.  paint a strip of the parking lot various shades of blue and green in an "s" curve about 90′ long.    2.  drag a few rocks from nearby rural areas into the parking lot and place them randomly within your painted area.    3.  cut out "fish" profiles from 1/4 inch plywood, paint them silver with a big red stripe down the middle and place them near the rocks.    4.  have large signs painted with the word "mountains" on them, and direct several beautiful, nubile women to hold them above their heads from time to time, placing the women on either side of the painted area.    5.  purchase a roff clave t-shirt for each of the women, ban or burn their bras, and hose them down every 5 or 10 minutes with tepid water.  the shirts can be purchased from little wayno’s outfitters (we never close) for the paltry sum of $50 each, including shipping.    6.  serve "carolina see-throughs" (vodka, tonic, no lime) to each contestant upon demand.    if you will follow those simple instructions, you won’t have to worry about silly impediments like rules or prizes.    as forty would say, "you’re welcome". for the firm wayno

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 Saw one where they put a Hulahoop on a ten foot pole and you have to cast through it, i.e. your whole loop.  The pole is 15 foot in front of the caster.  Prizes for those who make it through the most time in succession.                 Frank Reid

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Ari, some of the following have worked well in the past: whip some rings on a broomstick, and have a distance competition with this. ( Use cheap line ! ) Obtain a plastic blow up animal such as is used on the beach, or a rocking horse, or similar. Contestants must cast to dinner plates placed at suitable distances while a couple of guys "rock the boat". Ten, twenty, thirty feet, etc. Tie a twenty foot  length of limp string to a garden cane, and a leader to this. Accuracy is the goal here. Cast only with the butt of a two piece rod.  And then only with the tip. Distance cast "from the hand", no rod or reel allowed. Casting with two rods simultaneously to two separate targets. A knot tying competition. Blindfold casting.  The rod is placed in the blindfolded persons hand, he is "turned around fast a few times", and has to try and hit the target from memory. " The golden shot", same as the blindfold, but one person gives directions to the caster, using only the words "left", "right", "cast". Get a washing up bowl or similar, attach this to a piece of string, this is pulled along by two volunteers, and the caster must hit the moving target. Roll casting a hosepipe. ( Be careful you have plenty of space here, if it hits anybody it hurts ! ). Roll casting a rope. There are lots of others, but these have always worked well and provided a lot of amusement, and some surprises. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Hi Ari, some of the following have worked well in the past: whip some rings on a broomstick, and have a distance competition with this. ( Use cheap line ! ) Obtain a plastic blow up animal such as is used on the beach, or a rocking horse, or similar. Contestants must cast to dinner plates placed at suitable distances while a couple of guys "rock the boat". Ten, twenty, thirty feet, etc. Tie a twenty foot  length of limp string to a garden cane, and a leader to this. Accuracy is the goal here. Cast only with the butt of a two piece rod.  And then only with the tip. Distance cast "from the hand", no rod or reel allowed. Casting with two rods simultaneously to two separate targets. A knot tying competition. Blindfold casting.  The rod is placed in the blindfolded persons hand, he is "turned around fast a few times", and has to try and hit the target from memory. " The golden shot", same as the blindfold, but one person gives directions to the caster, using only the words "left", "right", "cast". Get a washing up bowl or similar, attach this to a piece of string, this is pulled along by two volunteers, and the caster must hit the moving target. Roll casting a hosepipe. ( Be careful you have plenty of space here, if it hits anybody it hurts ! ). Roll casting a rope. There are lots of others, but these have always worked well and provided a lot of amusement, and some surprises. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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I’ve got an opportunity to plan a FF trip to Alaska in the fall of = 1997. Any suggestions for place, equipment, flies, guide or not, etc… Fletch.. My advice to others who ask, knowing I have made several of these trips is: Pick *one* species of fish you most want to catch and then time your arrival on a river known to hold these fish in the middle of its run.   ( I have seen people spend a week on the wrong river at the wrong time and come up emptY) Alternate is to not care what species of fish and pick a time and a reliable guide and hve the guide able to fly you to a river known to have fish in it at that time.   If you plan to camp along the river and have never done this, then who ever takes you is the person you are trusting your life with…. Back country Alaska is sincere country and unforgiving of some errors..  There is fishing without going into the deep wilderness that can be better than your wildest dreams…. but you gotta be on the right rivers at the right times for the run to be there.   When I have gone the last ten years, I have been self guiding as the friends I go with, as well as myself, have made about a dozen of these trips…..  I would never recommend anyone do this for themselves on their first trip….too much can go wrong.  So, I do not have a guide list for you… I knew the dates and fish you are most interested in, I may be able to help… Also the Game and Inland fish people there will send you a big big booklet with all kinds of dates of runs in different rivers in it.   Likely any Alaskan tourist agent can help. For near my trips without a big crowd but needing a boat.. are a day’s float down the Kenai from the lake to Jim’s landing… A 13 mile trip and good for large rainbows much of the season and is full of Red Salmon and some King Salmon at the right weeks…   Near Willow, there are several walkin from the road rivers full of salmon at the right dates…  Near the airport are accessible rivers but crowded ….  Willow is far enough out of Anchorage that the crowds are not so great.  There are 18 lodges which get $4000/week and I would not hesitate to recommend Bud Hobson’s lodge or Bristol Bay Lodge if you want to go that route.  If you fly in, leave an itinerary with someone who truly loves you and will cause you to be found if overdue.  If you fly with a reputable service ( there are plenty of good ones) they are bound by law to come to get you and report you absence to Fairbanks if over 24 hours late….Carry a flare gun and then every plane in the air is a potential help….  I have a lllooooonnnnnngggg packing list if you want to Email me for it…  but again, don’t go in the bush without a competent guide… Just don’t… Alaska has tons and tons of fish because the manage the habit and the spawning run on each river individually and have the capability and will to change the C&K numbers on a days notice on any river needing it…. Other states in our north west have too many competing interests and this is not done… and so they have few fish….   Well hope some of this helps. Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va        *the trout teach many, lessons*

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Thanks for reading…. I’ve got an opportunity to plan a FF trip to Alaska in the fall of 1997. Any suggestions for place, equipment, flies, guide or not, etc… I would like to mix this trip between fishing and site-seeing and have about 5 days to do it. Thanks for any help or advice you can give. Russ

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I am in the market for a new pair of float tube fins to replace the ones I currently use – which are Caddis fins. The new fins I am interested in buying are something called Force Fin float tube fins. They are advertised as being 40 – 60 percent more efficient than the average float tube fins on the market today. Here are some of my questions: 1. Has anyone used Force Fin float tube fins and found them better than the ones they previously used. 2. Does anyone knows how many models they have. 3. Do they (Force Fin) have a web site? Don. "May the fish be with you"

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I am in the market for a new pair of float tube fins to replace the ones I currently use – which are Caddis fins. The new fins I am interested in buying are something called Force Fin float tube fins. They are advertised as being 40 – 60 percent more efficient than the average float tube fins on the market today. Here are some of my questions: 1. Has anyone used Force Fin float tube fins and found them better than the ones they previously used.

Force fins are great if you have to hike in with them.  They are very light, and provide reasonable propulsion.   For most of my tubing, however, I use a longer, stiff scuba fin that gives me more power. 2. Does anyone knows how many models they have.

I think they have two, one fits all sizes, one comes in S, M. L. XL, etc. 3. Do they (Force Fin) have a web site?   Don’t know?

If you decide to buy them, I can put you in touch with someone who sells Force Fin cosmetic blems for a good price compared to full retail. John Woodling Sacramento, CA

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I’ve been using mine for three or four years and have no complaints. I do believe they are a little more powerful than my previous standard fins, and they are a little bit easier to "walk" in. Hope this helps! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am in the market for a new pair of float tube fins to replace the ones I currently use – which are Caddis fins. The new fins I am interested in buying are something called Force Fin float tube fins. They are advertised as being 40 – 60 percent more efficient than the average float tube fins on the market today. Here are some of my questions: 1. Has anyone used Force Fin float tube fins and found them better than the ones they previously used. 2. Does anyone knows how many models they have. 3. Do they (Force Fin) have a web site? Don. "May the fish be with you"

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Personally, if you are driving to the lake, or the walk is short, forget about anything but SCUBA PRO Jet fins.  With these large rubber fins you can tube for hours and hours and never tire.  Your maneuverablilty is unbelievable and best of all you can tube faster than most powerboats out there!!!

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Hi Donald: I don’t know if it really matters, but Force Fins are scuba fins.   They’re not super big hits in the diving community though.  It’s either because they don’t work as well as regular fins or because they look plain weird. Either way, I use regular, Scuba Pro-like fins for both diving and tubing.

<snip The thing is – I don’t want to pay $100+ for a pair of Force Fin fins if it does not perform at least as good as a pair of scuba fins.

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You may be right, I beginning to think that scuba fins are better than the Caddis fins, Flip fins, Force Fin fins, or any of the short float tube fins on the market today. One of the reasons I wanted to get a new pair of float tube fins is to be able to keep up with my friends who are using scuba type fins to propel themselves. But at the same time, I wanted to be able to wear my wading boots with my fins, something that Force Fin fins will allow me to do. I was also hoping that the Force Fin fins will at least allow me to have the same thrusting power as a good pair of scuba fins. But by some of the responses I have been getting from folks here, it seems that a good pair of scuba fins may be more superior to a pair of Force Fin fins when it comes to propelling one’s float tube on the water. The thing is – I don’t want to pay $100+ for a pair of Force Fin fins if it does not perform at least as good as a pair of scuba fins. On large lakes, one does not want to expend a lot of extra energy to propel a float tube after a 3+ hour hike to get to a high mountain lake. Don. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Personally, if you are driving to the lake, or the walk is short, forget about anything but SCUBA PRO Jet fins.  With these large rubber fins you can tube for hours and hours and never tire.  Your maneuverablilty is unbelievable and best of all you can tube faster than most powerboats out there!!!

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Look for fins that: 1- Cover your heel so you don’t chafe holes in your wet suit and don’t fill up easily with mud and sand when slogging around in the shallows. You can also wear booties to protect waders but it’s one more thing to buy, lug around and lose. 2- FLOAT. Diving fins are usually slightly negatively bouyant. Float tube fins do get scrubbed off when doing the heavy weed thing. Use tethers if your fins don’t float. 3- Flex rather easily. Diving fins are propelled by a slightly bent leg with most of the energy arising from the thigh, buttock and lower back. A float tube fin is propelled by the quads and a kick from the foot. Your legs will easily tire and your foot can cramp after heavy duty kicking with a long bladed, stiff dive fin. A flexy fin will sacrifice power up front but you’ll more than make up for it in the long run.    -Ralph – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You may be right, I beginning to think that scuba fins are better than the Caddis fins, Flip fins, Force Fin fins, or any of the short float tube fins on the market today. One of the reasons I wanted to get a new pair of float tube fins is to be able to keep up with my friends who are using scuba type fins to propel themselves. But at the same time, I wanted to be able to wear my wading boots with my fins, something that Force Fin fins will allow me to do. I was also hoping that the Force Fin fins will at least allow me to have the same thrusting power as a good pair of scuba fins. But by some of the responses I have been getting from folks here, it seems that a good pair of scuba fins may be more superior to a pair of Force Fin fins when it comes to propelling one’s float tube on the water. The thing is – I don’t want to pay $100+ for a pair of Force Fin fins if it does not perform at least as good as a pair of scuba fins. On large lakes, one does not want to expend a lot of extra energy to propel a float tube after a 3+ hour hike to get to a high mountain lake. Don. Personally, if you are driving to the lake, or the walk is short, forget about anything but SCUBA PRO Jet fins.  With these large rubber fins you can tube for hours and hours and never tire.  Your maneuverablilty is unbelievable and best of all you can tube faster than most powerboats out there!!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You may be right, I beginning to think that scuba fins are better than the Caddis fins, Flip fins, Force Fin fins, or any of the short float tube fins on the market today. One of the reasons I wanted to get a new pair of float tube fins is to be able to keep up with my friends who are using scuba type fins to propel themselves. But at the same time, I wanted to be able to wear my wading boots with my fins, something that Force Fin fins will allow me to do. I was also hoping that the Force Fin fins will at least allow me to have the same thrusting power as a good pair of scuba fins. But by some of the responses I have been getting from folks here, it seems that a good pair of scuba fins may be more superior to a pair of Force Fin fins when it comes to propelling one’s float tube on the water. The thing is – I don’t want to pay $100+ for a pair of Force Fin fins if it does not perform at least as good as a pair of scuba fins. On large lakes, one does not want to expend a lot of extra energy to propel a float tube after a 3+ hour hike to get to a high mountain lake. Don. Personally, if you are driving to the lake, or the walk is short, forget about anything but SCUBA PRO Jet fins.  With these large rubber fins you can tube for hours and hours and never tire.  Your maneuverablilty is unbelievable and best of all you can tube faster than most powerboats out there!!!

As far as the wading bots go, I use scuba fins and a pair of good ol’ Converse tennies for boots, and they work great.  I can outrace my buddy in his force fins quite handily.  He gets into the tube and the water more easily, however.

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Good points all Ralph, but are you familiar with the "Jet Fin"?  It is quite flexible though it does not cover your heel.  By the way, how’s the situation at Martis?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am in the market for a new pair of float tube fins to replace the ones I currently use – which are Caddis fins. The new fins I am interested in buying are something called Force Fin float tube fins. They are advertised as being 40 – 60 percent more efficient than the average float tube fins on the market today. Here are some of my questions: 1. Has anyone used Force Fin float tube fins and found them better than the ones they previously used. 2. Does anyone knows how many models they have. 3. Do they (Force Fin) have a web site? Don. "May the fish be with you"

I know that Force Fins are very popular in northern California with the float-tubers. They make lots of models, but the fly shops usually carry the original model and the Adjustable. The originals come in sizes small, medium, medium/large, large, extra large and xx-large. The Adjustable come in one size and will fit over a boot or almost anything. The original sells for $85 to $99 and the Adjustable sells for $119 to $135. We sell the Caddis to people that are not traveling great distances in a day of fishing. They don’t float, so get some teethers. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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0] : I am in the market for a new pair of float tube fins to replace : the ones I currently use – which are Caddis fins. The new fins I : am interested in buying are something called Force Fin float tube : fins. They are advertised as being 40 – 60 percent more : efficient than the average float tube fins on the market today. : : Here are some of my questions: : : 1. Has anyone used Force Fin float tube fins and found them better : than the ones they previously used. : : 2. Does anyone knows how many models they have. : : 3. Do they (Force Fin) have a web site? : : Don. "May the fish be with you" If you would like some entertainment, try posting this question in rec.scuba and follow the resulting thread/holy-war. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (415)-857-5491               Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971

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I remember reading that at an FFF conclave in Alberta, the keynote speaker, Lefty, was nearly late because he had been out on the river giving casting lessons to some kid he had met.  I too have not been impressed with all the folks trying to make a buck on the sport I love, and would not give lefty a dime for his web site–however, the story I read leads me to believe that his heart may be in the right spot. Eric Oden Boise

I think that lots of people in the fly fishing world are very talented but only the good guys like Lefty get popular with the public. When they hire him to work at a sport show they are getting a bargain. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I remember reading that at an FFF conclave in Alberta, the keynote speaker, Lefty, was nearly late because he had been out on the river giving casting lessons to some kid he had met.  I too have not been impressed with all the folks trying to make a buck on the sport I love, and would not give lefty a dime for his web site–however, the story I read leads me to believe that his heart may be in the right spot. Eric Oden Boise

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Do you need goods or have questions about fly tying, tools or materials?  Would be happy to help anyone out.

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YOU BET. I CAN USE ALL THE INFO I CAN GET ABOUT FLY TYING.  I JUST STARTED AND I THINK I’VE SET A NEW STANDARD FOR CLUTZINESS.  BUT I INTEND TO KEEP IT UP .  I CAN ONLY GET BETTER.  THANKS FOR WHATEVER YOU CAN PROVIDE.

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YOU BET. I CAN USE ALL THE INFO I CAN GET ABOUT FLY TYING.  I JUST STARTED AND I THINK I’VE SET A NEW STANDARD FOR CLUTZINESS.  BUT I INTEND TO KEEP IT UP .  I CAN ONLY GET BETTER.  THANKS FOR WHATEVER YOU CAN PROVIDE.

I can understand everything you are going through.I would try to find a fly tying course or flyfishing club. Practice makes perfect.

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