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Man, that does sound like a fun technique! Here, fishy, fishy… john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My kennel manager is on vacation, so lots of work for me, but I have been getting out for an hour or two after dinner. Fishing has been good and I’ve come across something I find interesting. At sunset, there are large numbers of spinners (I’m guessing they’re spinners but I haven’t been able to catch one) flying just over the surface occasionally skimming it. There are also some large Mayfly duns and a small Mayfly duns on the surface. There are a few splashy rises from fish chasing emergers but by far the majority of the "risers" are fish jumping clear out of the water to snag one of the spinners flying over the surface. I’ve seen this on an occasional basis, but some of the fish are doing this from a set feeding station and are jumping for the flies on a regular basis. This includes some decent fish. They totally ignore any of the duns that drift by. The flies are only about a size 16/18, so this jumping doesn’t seem "energy efficient" but me, but I’m no fish. I’ve been able to catch a few of them swinging soft hackles. I’ve also caught a some on a dry or emerger tied on an upper a bloodknot dropper with a weighted nymph below. The weighted nymph serves as an anchor and by holding the rod high, the fly on the dropper can be made to skim the surface, stay above it or bounce on the surface. It’s the closest I can come to imitating the hovering flies. It’s been moderately effective with lots of missed fish jumping at the fly but it’s a fun technique. Willi

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……The flies are only about a size 16/18, so this jumping doesn’t seem "energy efficient" but me, but I’m no fish……

I suspect the energy expenditure is not as great as you might think. Fish are streamlined.  Putting on a short burst of speed which will carry them out of the water probably doesn’t cost them a great deal of effort.  The fact that they do so frequently for what seems a small reward bears suggests it is energy efficient. Wolfgang

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Willi    Try dapping.  Get some unwaxed dental floss (or silk floss, I prefer sky blue, the fish seem to ignore it) and cut about six 8 foot pieces.  Lay ‘em out side-by-side and knot the ends together.  Put a 3 foot tippet on one end and tie the other end to your fly line.  Get the longest pole you have and wait for a little bit of a wind.  The floss works as sail and you can skitter the fly over the surface of just above the surface like a hovering insect.  I’ve only caught two fish with the fly in the air but its a trip (okay, I snagged a couple more).  You just let the fish set the hook on itself.  Your natural reaction is to pull it away, don’t move.  Bigger the fly, the more lines of floss and vice versa.  You can use this technique while hiding in bushes on the bank. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Willi   Try dapping.  Get some unwaxed dental floss (or silk floss, I prefer sky blue, the fish seem to ignore it) and cut about six 8 foot pieces.  Lay ‘em out side-by-side and knot the ends together.  Put a 3 foot tippet on one end and tie the other end to your fly line.  Get the longest pole you have and wait for a little bit of a wind.  The floss works as sail and you can skitter the fly over the surface of just above the surface like a hovering insect.  I’ve only caught two fish with the fly in the air but its a trip (okay, I snagged a couple more).  You just let the fish set the hook on itself.  Your natural reaction is to pull it away, don’t move.  Bigger the fly, the more lines of floss and vice versa.  You can use this technique while hiding in bushes on the bank.

        this is the weirdest damn place i have ever been.         yfitons wayno

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My kennel manager is on vacation, so lots of work for me, but I have been getting out for an hour or two after dinner. Fishing has been good and I’ve come across something I find interesting. At sunset, there are large numbers of spinners (I’m guessing they’re spinners but I haven’t been able to catch one) flying just over the surface occasionally skimming it. There are also some large Mayfly duns and a small Mayfly duns on the surface. There are a few splashy rises from fish chasing emergers but by far the majority of the "risers" are fish jumping clear out of the water to snag one of the spinners flying over the surface. I’ve seen this on an occasional basis, but some of the fish are doing this from a set feeding station and are jumping for the flies on a regular basis. This includes some decent fish. They totally ignore any of the duns that drift by. The flies are only about a size 16/18, so this jumping doesn’t seem "energy efficient" but me, but I’m no fish. I’ve been able to catch a few of them swinging soft hackles. I’ve also caught a some on a dry or emerger tied on an upper a bloodknot dropper with a weighted nymph below. The weighted nymph serves as an anchor and by holding the rod high, the fly on the dropper can be made to skim the surface, stay above it or bounce on the surface. It’s the closest I can come to imitating the hovering flies. It’s been moderately effective with lots of missed fish jumping at the fly but it’s a fun technique.   Willi

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Took the little lady out of school today to see Harry Potter (you are only young once). Saw the first showing in town.  Wasn’t bad, a good kids movie. They did however show the trailers for Lord of the Rings….looks good. Real good….may have to dust off an old brownie recipe and pretend I’m in college again….read ‘em in college don’t you know….(yup, got me an eddycation) john

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Check out the scenery.. it was shot in New Zealand by a New Zealand director.. "Lord of the rings" fever has struck some parts LOL. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Took the little lady out of school today to see Harry Potter (you are only young once). Saw the first showing in town.  Wasn’t bad, a good kids movie. They did however show the trailers for Lord of the Rings….looks good. Real good….may have to dust off an old brownie recipe and pretend I’m in college again….read ‘em in college don’t you know….(yup, got me an eddycation) john

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Check out the scenery.. it was shot in New Zealand by a New Zealand director.. "Lord of the rings" fever has struck some parts LOL. Clark

Hell, you’ve picked up on a Canadian national sport – spotting the Montreal, Toronto, or Vancouver street landmarks in "NY street scene" movies.  (X-files is/was shot in Vancouver, for example.) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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They did however show the trailers for Lord of the Rings….looks good. Real good….may have to dust off an old brownie recipe and pretend I’m in college again….read ‘em in college don’t you know

I have to admit I’m really looking forward to that one.  It appears pretty well done.  Rereading "Fellowship" right now  Gollum snatched his fish by hand you know, and ate ‘em raw…

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Gollum snatched his fish by hand you know, and ate ‘em raw…

Unethical!!!! George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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They did however show the trailers for Lord of the Rings….looks good. Real good….

Blesssss us and splasssh us, me precioussssessss…we can hardly wait. Counting the days till this release.  I’ve been waiting years for someone to do a worthy version. BTW, saw David Mamet’s new one "Heist" tonight.  Strongly recommend to all fans of his writing.  He gives Devito has a phone conversation that almost rivals the "fucking Ruthie…" speech from "American Buffalo". Zippy Who can’t imagine the size of the checking accounts of the Harry Potter owner’s after this weekend.

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Took the little lady out of school today to see Harry Potter (you are only young once). Saw the first showing in town.  Wasn’t bad, a good kids movie.

Saw it this afternoon and thoroughly enjoyed it.  Still like the books better though. They did however show the trailers for Lord of the Rings….looks good. Real good….may have to dust off an old brownie recipe and pretend I’m in college again….read ‘em in college don’t you know….(yup, got me an eddycation)

This one has me worried.  Hard to imagine anyone doing justice to the books. Wolfgang

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They did however show the trailers for Lord of the Rings….looks good. Real good….may have to dust off an old brownie recipe and pretend I’m in college again….read ‘em in college don’t you know….(yup, got me an eddycation) This one has me worried.  Hard to imagine anyone doing justice to the books. Wolfgang

It has to be better than the Bakshi rotoscoped abortion, or the cutesy Rankin and Bass animations. From the trailers I’ve seen and the production photos on the web site, it looks like they are doing a  great job.  Shooting in NZ was a great idea – the mountains really look like the Misty Mountains.  They are doing all three books – "The Two Towers" next year and "Return of the King" in 2003, so at least they’re going to follow the story sequence at the grossest level.  Obviously they have to do a lot of story compression to meet the movie time limitations, but the word from the fan sites is that they are making a good attempt at completeness.  They did omit Tom Bombadil though – I liked the idea of a hippy living in the woods of Middle Earth. I went to see Harry Potter last night.  The visualizations were excellent – it was eerie how well the film matched the picture in my head.  Hagrid was perfect.  The only complaint I have is the movie’s pacing.  It was very episodic – which in retrospect is very like the book.  That’s the big difference between the media I guess – chapterization works well in book format, but you expect a movie to flow better.  They did manage to fit in most of the content of the book into the 2.5 hours.  My youngest son refused to go because he didn’t want to mess up the pictures in his imagination (he’s still reading book 3). –Stan (looking forward to getting my Gandalf soda flask at Burger King)

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 I read it instead of studying for my first semester  freshman year finals.  Still managed to pass  everything ok, but it was all down hill from there.  I was dreading the movie: I didn’t want my images  of the story destroyed.

It’s interesting to hear how many people feel this way.  I just asked a question on a Tolkien newsgroup.  I can’t believe how many people are totally into the intricate details of that story and history, and how many people are upset that such a "holy" book is being put on film.

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They did omit Tom Bombadil though – I liked the idea of a hippy living in the woods of Middle Earth.

Willi Bombadil – Master of Whitheywindle trout!

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The best course of action is to first see the movie and THEN read the book. That way, you don’t have to work so hard to make up the imagery.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s interesting to hear how many people feel this way.  I just asked a question on a Tolkien newsgroup.  I can’t believe how many people are totally into the intricate details of that story and history, and how many people are upset that such a "holy" book is being put on film.  For me, it’s not that the book is somehow "holy" but that it  is a fantasy tale, I created pretty strong images of the fantasy  when I read the books, and I know that they will be erased  if I see the movie: I can’t make the images coexist.  I have  felt the same way about other books & movies based on them,  though I do feel stronger about this one.

It’s a common enough feeling.  And, of course, there is nothing holy about The Lord of the Rings.  However, Tolkien was blessed with a rare ability to create a believable (I was about to delete that word and replace it with "plausible" but have decide to let it stand) world and evoke very powerful images of what that world must look like.  Add to this the well known fact that a two hour long film can virtually never do justice to a book with which a reader lives for days or weeks, even under the best of circumstances, and it’s easy enough to see why many a fan would be wary.  And then too, many readers, like myself, were introduced to Tolkien at a relatively young age.  The images brought forth (and they are VERY powerful ones) have had time to seep deep into the consciousness.  Rereadings in later life will doubtless alter those images, but not radically.  More likely, they will simply reinforce them.  Not a thing to be tampered with lightly. Wolfgang who will go to see the movie but will NOT promise to like it.

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snip< I was also wondering what this has to do with Fly Fishing. Looks like a hanging curve ball, out over the plate…..   Batter up.

That post can’t be for real. I mean I know pinheads like that exist but telling folks to read their Bible on ROFF ? I suspect an rdean spoof. — Ken Fortenberry

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Funny thing I never take my kids out of school to subject them to a movie that is made to seem alright for kids. It involves sorcery and black magic. Do you think this is the kind of things kids should be watching. Oh it seems harmless as a movie but that is exactly the way they want it to be. Thats what draws kids in and seems interesting to them. It is apparent that you do not think much about where you will go after you leave this world. If I were you I would look into my Bible, If not for yourself do it for your children. I don’t mean to bust your chops so much but this is not the type of thing to take your kids to see. I was also wondering what this has to do with Fly Fishing. Since this is a Fly Fishing newsgroup anyway.

I personally wouldn’t take kids out of school to see any movie, but any action that pisses off the thumpers can’t be all bad.  Way to go John.  :-) Get a life "Maw".      - Ken

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I’d rather see a movie version of "Bored of the Rings", actually. I’ll stick with the books for the ‘real thing’. — Charlie…

One can hope.  Given the success of parody movies like "Scary Movie", if the first LOTR movie is successful, a "National Lampoon’s: Bored of the Rings" might just happen. I lost my copy of BOTR many years ago, and a year ago I located a used copy on the Internet so my sons would not be deprived.  I found a few good links which have festered in my favorites folder since then.   Here’s a good one – this guy thought that the ending looked rushed, and so wrote an additional chapter to round it out.  For those folks who don’t or can’t have a full copy of BOTR, this might give you a taste for the full book. http://junior.apk.net/~drushel/b_scour.html –Stan

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I lost my copy of BOTR many years ago, and a year ago I located a used copy on the Internet so my sons would not be deprived.  

Thanks for the link. I still have my original paperback but it’s pretty tattered. I found a decent copy in a used book store in San Rafael when I was in CA a few years ago (along with some of Gamov’s Mr. Tompkins books – it was a pretty good bookstore) and have passed it along to my sons as well. — Charlie…

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(along with some of Gamov’s Mr. Tompkins books – it was a pretty good

bookstore) And I learn something new every day.  I had never heard of these, so I googled Mr. Tompkins.  I suppose those books had just lost their utility by the 60s – there was a lot more popularization of math and physics by then and I grew up on Asimov and Martin Gardner.

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Funny thing I never take my kids out of school to subject them to a movie that is made to seem alright for kids. It involves sorcery and black magic. Do you think this is the kind of things kids should be watching. Oh it seems harmless as a movie but that is exactly the way they want it to be. Thats what draws kids in and seems interesting to them. It is apparent that you do not think much about where you will go after you leave this world. If I were you I would look into my Bible, If not for yourself do it for your children. I don’t mean to bust your chops so much but this is not the type of thing to take your kids to see. I was also wondering what this has to do with Fly Fishing. Since this is a Fly Fishing newsgroup anyway.

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snip< I was also wondering what this has to do with Fly Fishing. Since this is a Fly Fishing newsgroup anyway.

Looks like a hanging curve ball, out over the plate…..   Batter up. Joe F.

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And I learn something new every day.  I had never heard of these, so I googled Mr. Tompkins.  I suppose those books had just lost their utility by the 60s – there was a lot more popularization of math and physics by then and I grew up on Asimov and Martin Gardner.

I read them first, I think, in my early teens and re-encountered them in the late ’60s/earky ’70s in grad school. My research advisor had some and I thought it was pretty interesting to re-read them. — Charlie…

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(along with some of Gamov’s Mr. Tompkins books – it was a pretty good bookstore) And I learn something new every day.  I had never heard of these, so I googled Mr. Tompkins.  I suppose those books had just lost their utility by the 60s – there was a lot more popularization of math and physics by then and I grew up on Asimov and Martin Gardner.

If I’m not mistaken, George Gamow was the guy who coined the word "google" (10^100) and googleplex (10^google). Now it’s a verb.

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Funny thing I never take my kids out of school to subject them to a movie that is made to seem alright for kids. It involves sorcery and black magic. Do you think this is the kind of things kids should be watching. Oh it seems harmless as a movie but that is exactly the way they want it to be. Thats what draws kids in and seems interesting to them. It is apparent that you do not think much about where you will go after you leave this world. If I were you I would look into my Bible, If not for yourself do it for your children.

Right. The Bible is where you’ll find the really serious sorcery and black magic.

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Rereadings in later life will doubtless alter those images, but not radically.  More likely, they will simply reinforce them.  Not a thing to be tampered with lightly.

Looks like you’ve started a manic phase, Wolfgang.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I read it instead of studying for my first semester  freshman year finals.  Still managed to pass  everything ok, but it was all down hill from there.  I was dreading the movie: I didn’t want my images  of the story destroyed. It’s interesting to hear how many people feel this way.  I just asked a question on a Tolkien newsgroup.  I can’t believe how many people are totally into the intricate details of that story and history, and how many people are upset that such a "holy" book is being put on film.

People can get pretty obscessive about the Tolkien books. When I went to college back in the the Eocene I was into the books  in a big way. Went to a meeting of the "Tolkien Society" or some such name. There were some seriously disturbed individuals there. Some had adopted names and personas from the books and kept them while living in the outside world. You would see "Strider" stalking about campus in his cape and if you dared to call him his real name you would be viciously ignored. "Galadriel" would flounce around the library in her elvish garb. Actually, they fit in pretty well with Madison circa 1971. G.Cleveland

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We were in the dorm playing the Hobbitt and I was into watching the fire trails of the flaming bolts of lightning  produced by the big kitchen matches  that I, as Gandalf, sent coursing over the heads of the trolls and demons who were pounding at the shower curtain door of my house when I caught the towels on fire….what a trip. john

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Attended subject show and got to put some faces to email names.  Barry Beck was a guest tier.  Class act.  After he finished tying, he passed around a board of the fly he just tied and asked every one that "listened to the demo to take one."  Watched Harrison Steeves tie.  Another class act.  He was selling his flies for $1.50 ( That’s right- $1.50 from a world class tier on patterns he originated and made famous) and would spend an hour showing you how to tie it and others specifically asked for.  At times you forget how nice some people are that "made it to the top" in this sport. Wonder if George is going to pass out "Bastards" to those of us who have listened to him on this site.  (Sorry George- I just could not resist.) Lou

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Good meeting you Lou.  A couple Roffians met at noon in the lobby for a howdy and I went to lunch with Wayne and his lovely bride. Hey, if anyone is going back today, I need some help.  There is a guy there selling vises that hang around your neck and sit on your chest. I lost his business card and I need his address and URL.  It was his first show and he is just introducing them to the market.  These vises are awesome.  Instead of being hunched over your fly tying bench, you can kick back in a recliner in front of the TV or even stand up.  They also fold flat so they are out of the way if you need to answer the phone or the like.  I thought they would be great for us cripples with bad backs or teaching fly tying where you could walk up to each student and show them the technique.  So, If anyone goes to the show, I need this guy’s info. The gear whore bug got me real bad.  Just had buy that twelve-piece hollow punch set to punch out foam disks for fly tying.  Of course, I had to include the two-way sharpener for the twelve-piece hollow punch set to punch out foam disks for fly tying.  Then I had to pay $3.50 apiece for a couple of 4"X6" foam squares that I knew I could get in size 12"X10" at my wife’s store for $1.25.  But of course, the foam went with the two-way sharpener for the twelve-piece hollow punch set to punch out foam disks for fly tying. Signed up for all the raffles.  Gonna win all the raffles.  Being first with your tickets in some of the raffle boxes has gotta count for something.  The door prize for the show is a boat motor and trailer. Thomas and Thomas is giving a way a 4wt(drool).  Bunch of other neato things there.          Have fun all. Oh, with some google searches, I found the vise: <http://www.ohio.com/bj/sports/2000/September/29/docs/031527.htm      Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Attended subject show and got to put some faces to email names. Barry Beck was a guest tier.  Class act.  After he finished tying, he passed around a board of the fly he just tied and asked every one that "listened to the demo to take one."  Watched Harrison Steeves tie.  Another class act.  He was selling his flies for $1.50 ( That’s right- $1.50 from a world class tier on patterns he originated and made famous) and would spend an hour showing you how to tie it and others specifically asked for.  At times you forget how nice some people are that "made it to the top" in this sport. Wonder if George is going to pass out "Bastards" to those of us who have listened to him on this site.  (Sorry George- I just could not resist.) Lou

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Great time at the show.  After we had lunch with Frank, Joe and SWMBO showed up and we chatted a while with Lou.  I think SWMBO is leaning toward getting into this fishing thing but she showed a LOT of CONCERN about Frank&Frank and the mid-stream massage babe at the last RRR.  Which brings up another point.  It looks like another RRR coming in August 2001.  Katie has ordered iron underwear and Steve has picked up a case of 12ga. insurance.  After such terrific water levels and temperatures over the past year, this should be a banner year for larger smallmouth.  Stay Tuned! I picked up three chicken necks (a little tougher than beef jerky but didn’t taste bad, damn pricey though) and a bunch more stuff at the show.  I’m starting to need a closet just to store it in and I STILL don’t have enough stuff to tie a single pattern!  I did find the 2/0 hooks and Tysons promises to come through with those chicken feathers .  So…….this is cheaper than buying flys, huh? After looking over the field, I settled on the Chota Brookie II boots.  I like being able to put traction soles on the toe of the boot on those Volkswagen size boulders on Brookie streams.  Good news Indian Joe, more insurance against having to carry me out next time! — Wayne(still looking at scars from Wilson’s Creek) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Well, you can put me down for the RRR in August 2001!!   My back ought to need more water-massaging by August, fer sure. Frank (oh yes, rub it baby!!) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Great time at the show.  After we had lunch with Frank, Joe and SWMBO showed up and we chatted a while with Lou.  I think SWMBO is leaning toward getting into this fishing thing but she showed a LOT of CONCERN about Frank&Frank and the mid-stream massage babe at the last RRR.  Which brings up another point.  It looks like another RRR coming in August 2001.  Katie has ordered iron underwear and Steve has picked up a case of 12ga. insurance.  After such terrific water levels and temperatures over the past year, this should be a banner year for larger smallmouth.  Stay Tuned! I picked up three chicken necks (a little tougher than beef jerky but didn’t taste bad, damn pricey though) and a bunch more stuff at the show.  I’m starting to need a closet just to store it in and I STILL don’t have enough stuff to tie a single pattern!  I did find the 2/0 hooks and Tysons promises to come through with those chicken feathers .  So…….this is cheaper than buying flys, huh? After looking over the field, I settled on the Chota Brookie II boots.  I like being able to put traction soles on the toe of the boot on those Volkswagen size boulders on Brookie streams.  Good news Indian Joe, more insurance against having to carry me out next time! — Wayne(still looking at scars from Wilson’s Creek) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Great time at the show.  After we had lunch with Frank, Joe and SWMBO showed up and we chatted a while with Lou.  I think SWMBO is leaning toward getting into this fishing thing but she showed a LOT of CONCERN about Frank&Frank and the mid-stream massage babe at the last RRR.

Yeah, I’m not sure we should have shared that story.   I kept having to repeat, "This happened *before* I got there."   <g SWMBO & I got a late start due to a minor furnace problem at home, and missed the lunch and Frank by about 5 min. as it turned out.   Still managed to spot Wayne & SO in the crowd later & was asking if Lou & Frank had made it when the guy reading my r.o.f.f. fall ball hat confessed to being Lou. Great timing on that; & great to meet another roffian.   Sorry I missed ya Frank.   Turns out Wayne’s SO & mine are almost exactly the same height (or lack thereof). Roffians aside, I really enjoyed the show.   I’d never been to any similar event, and it was great to see all those goodies on display.   Having two unfinished blanks waiting in the wings, I really wasn’t in the market for any serious hardware, but SWMBO did get to try on some waders for size (progress is slow, but it’s progress), and I did enter a few raffles to dilute Frank’s chances a bit (sorry Frank, the T&T is mine.) Had no luck finding jungle cock eyes.   A couple vendors plainly said they were too expensive to bring along.   I’ll stick to Plan A for the swap. Maybe some other time. In the end, I got out cheap, only buying one book.   Had a great time, though. Joe F.

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Joe,   Send me an email on my deja email with your home phone.  I have jungle cock cape.       Frank Reid

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Hey Frank!  I think some of that jungle cock stuff might dress up these White Millers! — Wayne (bought some of that stuff Frank said to get…don’t know what it was or what it does but it was ONLY 50cents a pack!!) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Heathen!       Frank Hey Frank!  I think some of that jungle cock stuff might dress up these White Millers! — Wayne (bought some of that stuff Frank said to get…don’t know what it was or what it does but it was ONLY 50cents a pack!!) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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1996 Astro 15 footer 90 HP mercury outboard motorguide RF trolling motor custom cover custom trailor.                                $7995.00 Call Tom Bauer 1-908-686-2800

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Hi Guys, I just started coming to this news group in addition to the fly fishing newsgroups I subscribe to.  I was once such a hard core bass fisherman that I never went fishing without my boat.  Now I do both stream and lake fishing with my first love being fishing for bass and preferably with a fly rod. Being on this group is great!  However, I am surprised at the amount of advertising showing up here.  Is this a valid forum for advertising your used fishing gear? Pete

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I believe personal gear is ok.  Trying to pass off comercial for personal is a no no. Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Guys, I just started coming to this news group in addition to the fly fishing newsgroups I subscribe to.  I was once such a hard core bass fisherman that I never went fishing without my boat.  Now I do both stream and lake fishing with my first love being fishing for bass and preferably with a fly rod. Being on this group is great!  However, I am surprised at the amount of advertising showing up here.  Is this a valid forum for advertising your used fishing gear? Pete 1996 Astro 15 footer 90 HP mercury outboard motorguide RF trolling motor custom cover custom trailor.                                $7995.00 Call Tom Bauer 1-908-686-2800

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The Guidelines allows posting of personal advertisements, as long as the subject specifies ‘For Sale.’ — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales!    Columbia SC, Lake Murray

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Thanks. Pete

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For any of you who haven’t read the book it is a fun read.  Nice way to spend a couple of those cold winter nights.  Here is part of my entry from "Books of the Black Bass. "Author says he was "raised in the Redneck Way of Fishing."  What he was saying is that numbers and size of fish caught became more important than anything else, thus turning his hobby into work.  Raines grew up in Alabama fishing for Bass, bluegill, crappie, etc.  There is some fly fishing for trout in this book but there is more about the Largemouth and Smallmouth Bass than any other fish.  As you wander through the book you find stories on ex-presidents of the United States, fly fishing legends such as Wulff, Marinaro, McClane, Fox, Kreh, and some Bass world notables such as Ray Scott and Rick Clunn.  Author relates a couple of instances where Scott suffered from foot in the mouth disease as he tried to help his friend, President George Bush, get re-elected.  Raines fished for Bass with Bush although throughout the book he is critical of Hoover, Reagan and other republican presidents.  Time is spent with all the fishing presidents from Hoover and Cleveland down to George Bush and Jimmy Carter.  He speaks out on everyone he writes about and is not afraid to take on the bureaucrats, all in all, an enjoyable read." Clyde Black Bass Book Collector http://members.aol.com/BassBks/index.html

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I currently have for sale a nice copy of "Fly Fishing Through the Midlife Crisis" by Howell Raines. A very clean softcover copy, published in 1994 by Anchor Books. The 352 page book is fresh and clean inside and out, except for a gift inscription inside the front cover. Available for to reserve. Thanks, and best regards. Dave    http://www.newsfeeds.com       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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Roffians, A friend of mine wants to get on ROFF but doesn’t really know how to do it. He is using AOL, which I’m not familiar with. I was hoping one of you who have AOL could give him some guidance. His name is Dennis, his email is Thanks Tim Apple — "Bamboo is Better"

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A friend of mine wants to get on ROFF but doesn’t really know how to do it. He is using AOL, which I’m not familiar with. I was hoping one of you who have AOL could give him some guidance. His name is Dennis, his email is Thanks

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What would the best ff be within easy reach of Vancouver in April?  Have to make a business trip to Asia and thought it might be worth doing a stopover — if it’s not too early in the season.  Steelhead?  Sea-run cutthroats?  Thanks for any info. George

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: What would the best ff be within easy reach of Vancouver in April?  Have : to make a business trip to Asia and thought it might be worth doing a : stopover — if it’s not too early in the season.  Steelhead?  Sea-run : cutthroats?  Thanks for any info. If you’re early enough in April, there might still be some late-winter steelhead available in the Capilano (from downtown Van, take Georgia through Stanley Park and across the Lions Gate Bridge and you’re there; the Cap forms the boundary between North Van and West Van). That’s probably the closest; other options at that time of year include the Squamish and the Vedder, both of which are an hour or two away. Hopefully, the guys who live in Vancouver year-round can give more details; in the time I lived there, I was always a student, meaning that April started with final exams and ended with heading out of town to my summer jobs 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (250) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (250) 368-9341

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Vedder River steelies would probably be your best bet, if the river’s in shape.

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Suggest you look into fishing the Harrison River for Sea Run cutt’s. this can be a great time when the chum salmon fry move downstream and cutt’s cut through the dense schooles of fry. Kelly Davidson of Babcok Fly and tackle in Coquitlam BC. is A-1 one on knwoledge on this fishery; he guides as well. Squamish River has large steelhead and beautifull scenery. Arpil is prime time but runs have been low. Vedder amy be alrightfor FF at that time but it isn’t the best for FF steelhead.

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I am spending a week in the Jackson Tenn. area.  Anyone know of any good flyfishing to be had within an hours drive? Thanks for your reply.   Dee

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I don’t really know of anything near Jackson, however if you are willing to drive about 6 hours you can fish some of the finest fly fishing waters in the world in NorthEast Tennessee.   The tailwaters of the S. Holston has been rated in the top ten trout streams in the nation, and if you are looking for the mountain stream experience the Doe Creek which runs through Roan Mountain State Park is great.  Also Laurel Fork, etc.  There are also some great spots in the Smoky’s, but I have never fished them. If you want to come up here, I can guide you or I can recommend a guide. Joe Byrd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am spending a week in the Jackson Tenn. area.  Anyone know of any good flyfishing to be had within an hours drive? Thanks for your reply.   Dee

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You are closer to the White River area of Arkansas than East Tenessee. Call Gaston’s near Mountain Home Ark. or Ozark Anglers in Heber Springs, Ark.If you want to fish for small mouth try Buffalo River near Flatwoods Tn. Its about 1 hour southeast of Jackson. Try and find a book, Home Waters, written by the Mid -South Flyfishers of Memphis, Tn. It gives you good advice about the Ark. area and also about Buffalo River in Tn. Best wishes. Jack.

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One hour east of Nashville is the Caney Fork River.  It has fished excellent this year.  The Caney is a tailwater.  One to two hours south of Nashville are the Elk and the Duck rivers.  They are both excellent tailwaters.  Closer to you is the Little Buffallo River.  It has a section of trout water, but I have not fished it.  Lots of smallmouth and largemouth water all over middle Tennessee.   Some of the colder smallmouth streams are stocked with trout in the spring.  Maybe some summer survivors. Maybe this will help. If you decide on a tailwater in Tennessee, please-please, call the TVA generation schedule for that particular dam.  1-800-238-2264 and follow their instructions.  The generation schedules have been pretty good for the three tailwaters I listed.  Sometimes. Michael

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Hello, I have read various suggestions about using Albolene, a cosmetic product, and Scotchguard to waterproof dry flies.  My question is has anyone tried to use Albolene to condition and waterproof a floating fly line?  Furthermore I am curious if anyone has used Scotchguard to further waterproof a floating fly line.  After several hours on a stream or river, and alternating between nymphs and dries, I find that my floating line becomes a sinking tip, hence I have to work to fish the evening hatches. I use an Ultra 3 #6 floating line.  Does anyone have any experience with these two ideas?  Thanks, G.

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My question is has anyone tried to use Albolene to condition and waterproof a floating fly line?  Furthermore I am curious if anyone has used Scotchguard to further waterproof a floating fly line.  

Neither is likely to work.  To get any chemical supposed beneficial (because of low density or waterproof-ness) into the coating of a fly line, you would need to use a solvent.  If you found a solvent you could use (e.g. that operated on fly line plastic at room temperatures) it might indeed transport beneficial chemicals into the plastic — but you could not then remove the solvent, so there would be a high risk it would either turn the line sticky (non-shooting) or continue to dissolve, i.e. releasing other plastic chemicals into water. In manufacturing, liquid components of plastic fly line coating are not merely dripped onto the core.  They are also "cooked" at controlled temperatures and pressures, so as to make the plastic, or at least its outer skin, as inert as possible.  The home tinkerer can easily alter this outer skin with solvents — but is not likely also to be able to render the outer skin inert and suitable for fishing for weeks or months. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello, I have read various suggestions about using Albolene, a cosmetic product, and Scotchguard to waterproof dry flies.  My question is has anyone tried to use Albolene to condition and waterproof a floating fly line?  Furthermore I am curious if anyone has used Scotchguard to further waterproof a floating fly line.  After several hours on a stream or river, and alternating between nymphs and dries, I find that my floating line becomes a sinking tip, hence I have to work to fish the evening hatches. I use an Ultra 3 #6 floating line.  Does anyone have any experience with these two ideas?  Thanks, G.

First off, a dry fly and a fly line are two diferent things! Do not wse the mentioned dressing materials on a fly line you want to use anymore, unless you have checked them out on a piece you have cut off the line. second, if you properly sealed the end of your fly line it will remain a floating line. If you did’nt seal it, cut off the end and seal the cut end with flexament(or a simalar product) then put on a loop attachment and you will find that your line will not soak up water by way of the cut end. Bryant

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A lucky colleague of mine has the first three weeks of April as unfettered vacation time. Ever since he saw Andros Island from the air, both live and in photo, he’s been obsessed with the notion of going there on his own, chasing bonefish all day long, and swilling tropical goodness at night. Any suggestions out there? Any first-hand experiences, either + or – , would

Talk to me in late april. I will be going to Andros for a week, mostly unguided. (Not the club, but staying on the research station there) My brother and I may split a guide for 1-2 days, but most time will be spent wading wherever we can with our wives looking for bonefish.  Alan Barrow  km4ba         | If a little knowledge…..

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A lucky colleague of mine has the first three weeks of April as unfettered vacation time. Ever since he saw Andros Island from the air, both live and in photo, he’s been obsessed with the notion of going there on his own, chasing bonefish all day long, and swilling tropical goodness at night. Any suggestions out there? Any first-hand experiences, either + or – , would help him a lot in carving this out. Thanks. (This is my first shot at this – I’ve been signed up here for only a couple of days – How am I doin’?)

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