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Sounds like a FANTASTIC day on the water,  great report jh

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter Charles writes: <great report/info snipped Plans are in the offing for the next trip. Ok, I can’t make it tomorrow, but Friday is open!  d;o) Got home after an 8 hour drive (512 miles) in pouring rain, but every time I thought of those fish, I began to smile. If you’ve  fished with me, you know I don’t move around too well.  Legs and feet are very sore, but hotdamn, ya get an 18 pound salmon on a fly rod and he begins one (1) run that takes you well into your backing, ya hafta fall/leap out of the boat and run after the damn thing.  It ain’t fair.  But, is sure is heart thumping and adrenaline pumping.  And then, the bastid comes running back at you; once your get your line all wound up and clear,  he’s off on another run  into the backing   It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet and a fly that you *know* is gonna go straight any second.  Multiply that by 4 and you have an idea of the day Peter and I had on the Saugeen. I know where Peter lives.  I’ll be back, with a 10 foot 7 weight *with a fighting butt*, a Lamson 3.5 large arbor filled with wf line and as much backing as it can hold.  If not next month, Peter, count on late April/early May.  And this time we open the 18 year old stuff.  <G Dave

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(snip) It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet

(snip)     that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -wayno writes: (snip) It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet (snip)    that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno

Save a day next may.  You can sleep in the rv.  I’ll let you use my 8 weight *with* the fighting butt.  I wanna see your scrawny ass runnin down the middle of this water.  <G Louie

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   that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno

There’s a solution for that . . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Peter Charles writes:    that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno There’s a solution for that . . . . Peter

He’s used to catching iddy biddy trout the size of his dick, Peter.  He wouldn’t dream of going up and fishing with us.  The largest rod he has is a 2 weight – we’d have to loan him equipment and probably teach him how to cast it.  <seg  This water is meant for PJ and combat fishing. Louie (who hopes insults will move his scrawny ass)

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Peter He’s used to catching iddy biddy trout the size of his dick, Peter.  He wouldn’t dream of going up and fishing with us.  The largest rod he has is a 2 weight – we’d have to loan him equipment and probably teach him how to cast it. <seg  This water is meant for PJ and combat fishing. Louie (who hopes insults will move his scrawny ass)

That small eh?  In that case, I would think a 0 weight would be more appropriate.  If he came, we’d probably need a bosun’s chair just to lower him out of the boat.  BTW, think he can even lift an 8 wt.?  If he ever hooked a salmon, he’d probably throw the rod overboard from sheer fright.    (how am I doin’?) Peter

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It’s late, I’m beat, the pirate is whacked – this TR is gonna be short. Up at 4:30 and, on the road at 5:15, arrived at the store at 6:00, on the water by 8:00 and home by 9:00pm.   Louie before the trip, "I’m gonna take my 6 wt."   Told the Pirate not to bother with his vest or the 6 wt.   Well, we’re at the put-in and John Valk (owner/guide) is going "Nyet" to the 6 wt.  Out comes the 8 wt.  Now I’m looking at Louie and the fighting butt on the 8 wt. is missing, "I took it off." he says.  Silly boy.  By the end of the day, there’s no vest, the 6 wt. never left its tube and he has a hole in his sternum where he had stuck the reel seat on repeated occasions. Best shot of the day – watching Louie’s face as his backing rapidly disappears.  Second best shot of the day, seeing Louie running 100 yds downstream trying to retrieve his backing – after vaulting out of the drift boat. Anyway, a bunch of very feisty chinook was had and all returned in one piece (including the anglers).   Details at 6:00. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Anyway, a bunch of very feisty chinook was had and all returned in one piece (including the anglers).   Sounds great.  Were there any steelhead in as yet ? Remove "XX" from address

We saw a few but the real run hasn’t gone going yet.  We need colder temps and a *lot* more water. As John fussed with the boat and stuff, there were a bunch of salmon playing in the shallows.  I had a poke at them with the big stick but no joy.  With that experience, I put it away and took out a single hander. Dave got out a rarely used Orvis 8 wt. with a big sinktip that proved to be a difficult line to use in the low water conditions. Dave, by his own admission, was unsure what this fishing would be about and when we found a pod of about 20 salmon cavorting about, he had two silver dollars for eyeballs.   John has a particular way of doing a wet fly swing (he likes the fly oriented north-south – I tend to a broadside presentation) but we both used John’s technique.  We swim the fly in front of the pod and hope that a big, pissed-off male will charge out and nail it.  Frequently, we were not disappointed and Dave got a very lively fish out of this pod within a couple of minutes. Dave hooked up first (a fish probably in the low teens) which promptly peeled off all of his line and a good quantity of backing.  It was a great intro to Saugeen salmon fishing.  He eventually ended up about 100 yards downstream where the fish was netted. A couple of points about these fish.  Credit River salmon are stocked and live in Lake Ontario whereas the Saugeen fish are naturals and live in Lake Huron.  You cannot imagine how much difference this results in.  Saugeen fish, even 70 miles upstream, are fairly bright and in excellent shape.  Credit River stockers are only a few miles up stream and already black and rotting.  The Saugeen fish takes off at a high rate of knots when released, even after a long fight.  He’s usually back cavorting in a minute or two.  Credit River fish often roll over an die upon release after a half-hearted fight.  John told us a story of catching the same chinook three times in succession and it fought just as hard the third time as it did the first. The Saugeen was especially low and clear so the fish were always very obvious.  We drifted over a few steelhead, loads of huge smallies, some browns, red horse suckers, carp, and a few unidentified.  The colours were especially bright in the high sun, and with the warm day, it was a very pleasant trip all-round. Final results were something like four fish each landed and multiple hookups (including one double).  Most of the fish were in the teens but one of mine was over 20 lbs.  We saw and hooked a few bruisers that ran over 30.  All of them took off in long runs.  Some of the fish were quite aerobatic with jumps, lunges and tumbles that often resulted in them being wrapped up in line.  One of mine began to fight funny after a few minutes. On initial hookup, the fish stuck his head out of the water with an open mouthed head shake that told of a fair hook.  By the time we got him landed, the fly was still in his mouth but he had about five winds of line around one fin.  Dave had one where the fly started off in it’s mouth and ended up in it’s tail.  We figured it too got wrapped up in line and then the fly came loose only to reattach. I’ll have a trip on my site by next week with pics that will give some indication of the river and the fish.   It was fun as always having the Pirate up and Thanksgiving dinner will long be remembered for the gales of laughter and the sore sides we had in the morning. Plans are in the offing for the next trip. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Peter Charles writes: <great report/info snipped Plans are in the offing for the next trip.

Don’t wait too long. Ok, I can’t make it tomorrow, but Friday is open!  d;o)

At the Salmon River, Saugeen next week. Got home after an 8 hour drive (512 miles) in pouring rain, but every time I thought of those fish, I began to smile.

probably brighter than those bright blue Audi headlights. If you’ve  fished with me, you know I don’t move around too well.  Legs and feet are very sore, but hotdamn, ya get an 18 pound salmon on a fly rod and he begins one (1) run that takes you well into your backing, ya hafta fall/leap out of the boat and run after the damn thing.  It ain’t fair.  But, is sure is heart thumping and adrenaline pumping.  And then, the bastid comes running back at you; once your get your line all wound up and clear,  he’s off on another run  into the backing   It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet and a fly that you *know* is gonna go straight any second.  Multiply that by 4 and you have an idea of the day Peter and I had on the Saugeen.  

It was a memorable day fer sure.   I know where Peter lives.  I’ll be back, with a 10 foot 7 weight *with a fighting butt*, a Lamson 3.5 large arbor filled with wf line and as much backing as it can hold. If not next month, Peter, count on late April/early May.  And this time we open the 18 year old stuff.  <G

You mean, like again! Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Peter Charles writes:

<great report/info snipped Plans are in the offing for the next trip.

Ok, I can’t make it tomorrow, but Friday is open!  d;o) Got home after an 8 hour drive (512 miles) in pouring rain, but every time I thought of those fish, I began to smile. If you’ve  fished with me, you know I don’t move around too well.  Legs and feet are very sore, but hotdamn, ya get an 18 pound salmon on a fly rod and he begins one (1) run that takes you well into your backing, ya hafta fall/leap out of the boat and run after the damn thing.  It ain’t fair.  But, is sure is heart thumping and adrenaline pumping.  And then, the bastid comes running back at you; once your get your line all wound up and clear,  he’s off on another run  into the backing   It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet and a fly that you *know* is gonna go straight any second.  Multiply that by 4 and you have an idea of the day Peter and I had on the Saugeen.   I know where Peter lives.  I’ll be back, with a 10 foot 7 weight *with a fighting butt*, a Lamson 3.5 large arbor filled with wf line and as much backing as it can hold.  If not next month, Peter, count on late April/early May.  And this time we open the 18 year old stuff.  <G Dave

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Sounds like a great trip. Sight fishing for big fish, can’t beat that! Did you catch anything other than the Chinooks?

Nope, we were hoping for steelhead but the conditions were too warm and the water too low.  We saw lots of smallies but with the low, clear water, we saw them when we spooked them.   Not sure I’d call the the Saugeen fish "natural" but the same differences you found here between the stocked and streambred salmon also applies to trout. Even though the genetics might be the same, the stocked fish act differently even after being in the wild for a considerable time. Willi

I used the term ‘natural’ to mean naturally reproducing.  While these chinook exhibit superior characteristics as compared to their stocked cousins, I haven’t seem the same difference between natural and stocked browns on the Grand.  That may have something to do with how the Grand stocking program is managed. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I thought that Ontario had stopped stocking chinook altogether, but I guess not, eh ?   The strain of chinook used for stocking is one that does not move in until quite late.  I’ve read that what has happened in some cases where natural reproduction has been established is that over generations the salmon have tended to come into rivers earlier and earlier prior to spawning.  It sounds like the Saugeen is one of them.

I’ve always understood that Credit River chinook were stocked as the prospects for natural reproduction were poor.  John confirmed that they were stockers. I’ve not heard about earlier runs but with the Saugeen being farther north, an earlier run is to be expected.  There’s no question that they are much healthier fish. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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      Anyway, a bunch of very feisty chinook was had and all returned in one   piece (including the anglers).       Sounds great.  Were there any steelhead in as yet ?     Remove "XX" from address       A couple of points about these fish.  Credit River salmon are stocked   and live in Lake Ontario whereas the Saugeen fish are naturals and   live in Lake Huron.  You cannot imagine how much difference this   results in.  Saugeen fish, even 70 miles upstream, are fairly bright   and in excellent shape.  Credit River stockers are only a few miles up   stream and already black and rotting.  The Saugeen fish takes off at a   high rate of knots when released, even after a long fight.  He’s   usually back cavorting in a minute or two.  Credit River fish often   roll over an die upon release after a half-hearted fight.  John told   us a story of catching the same chinook three times in succession and   it fought just as hard the third time as it did the first. Sounds like a great trip. Sight fishing for big fish, can’t beat that! Did you catch anything other than the Chinooks? Not sure I’d call the the Saugeen fish "natural" but the same differences you found here between the stocked and streambred salmon also applies to trout. Even though the genetics might be the same, the stocked fish act differently even after being in the wild for a considerable time. Willi

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Does anyone know where fish spotting gets done around Australia? I know there are some in the Gulf in the prawn season.  And I seem
to recall a magazine article some years ago about tuna spotting
somewhere.  Does anyone know where else people fly for fishing
fleets, what aircraft they use, and what the work prospects are like in that industry?  Is it worth considering as an option for a newby CPL? — – Before you buy.

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Harry may still be some tuna spotting out of Port Lincoln.  Usta use aerocommanders (i think) and one Cessna push pull job (although I think thats gone).   Flights of considerable duration ranging to the far west and into WA. regards Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know where fish spotting gets done around Australia? I know there are some in the Gulf in the prawn season.  And I seem to recall a magazine article some years ago about tuna spotting somewhere.  Does anyone know where else people fly for fishing fleets, what aircraft they use, and what the work prospects are like in that industry?  Is it worth considering as an option for a newby CPL? — – Before you buy.

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I have seen Aero Commanders and C337’s at Ceduna SA and pretty sure some at Pt Lincoln during a fuel stop. A local flies from Triabunna (East coast Tas) with a C180 for Mackerel (I think) for the fish farms in Tas. I think he may have spotted for Tuna as well. Maybe he’ll let us know? — Bernie Samms Kingston Beach Tasmania Australia Aero Club of Southern Tasmania   www.acst.com.au Prologic Pty Ltd                           www.prologic.com.au

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Harry may still be some tuna spotting out of Port Lincoln.  Usta use aerocommanders (i think) and one Cessna push pull job (although I think thats gone).   Flights of considerable duration ranging to the far west and into WA. regards Don Does anyone know where fish spotting gets done around Australia? I know there are some in the Gulf in the prawn season.  And I seem to recall a magazine article some years ago about tuna spotting somewhere.  Does anyone know where else people fly for fishing fleets, what aircraft they use, and what the work prospects are like in that industry?  Is it worth considering as an option for a newby CPL? — – Before you buy.

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Can anyone recommend a fly guide for bonefishing? We have trip planed  for Feb. I know other Bahama areas but Harbour is new to us.  Thanks in advance Harrison Hubard

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Can anyone recommend a fly guide for bonefishing? We have trip planed  for Feb. I know other Bahama areas but Harbour is new to us. Thanks in advance Harrison Hubard

You might try: www.romorabay.com (Harbour) www.dunmorebeach.com (Harbour) www.bahamasvg.com (Eleuthera/Harbour) www.bahamasonline (Same) Also, when you get there, try a place (bar) called Gustaf’s or Gusty’s if it is still there – for land-based fun, not fishing, although…. HTH? R

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<<  I wasn’t so much scared, though, as hurt. After all I had done for him the damned squirrel never even looked back.  Anyone out there have similar stories they’d like to share?   I think former President Jimmy Carter had something like that happen while fishing too far from Secret Service agents from providing details. William Buchman

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"No good deed goes unpunished."

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Cute story Joe but that’s not being attacked by a squirrel.  Come on down to the Clave and I’ll show you the scars from REALLY being attacked by a squirrel.  Story too long to post here. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there have similar stories they’d like to share?

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Wayno, swear ta gawd, I never touched ya. Big Al – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cute story Joe but that’s not being attacked by a squirrel.  Come on down to the Clave and I’ll show you the scars from REALLY being attacked by a squirrel.  Story too long to post here. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Anyone out there have similar stories they’d like to share?

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No Al, not Wayno, that’s the OTHER Wayne! Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wayno, swear ta gawd, I never touched ya. Big Al Cute story Joe but that’s not being attacked by a squirrel.  Come on down to the Clave and I’ll show you the scars from REALLY being attacked by a squirrel.  Story too long to post here. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Anyone out there have similar stories they’d like to share?

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Cute story Joe but that’s not being attacked by a squirrel.  Come on down to the Clave and I’ll show you the scars from REALLY being attacked by a squirrel.  Story too long to post here. Wayne

is jimmy c. gonna join us? tell him to bring plenty of peanuts and billy beer. –wataugan walt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cute story Joe but that’s not being attacked by a squirrel.  Come on down to the Clave and I’ll show you the scars from REALLY being attacked by a squirrel.  Story too long to post here. Wayne is jimmy c. gonna join us? tell him to bring plenty of peanuts and billy beer. –wataugan walt

That was a rabbit that went after old Jimmy. — Charlie…

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doggone this grouse….let me go find my sm, memory is slippin…. –Wataugan Waldo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cute story Joe but that’s not being attacked by a squirrel.  Come on down to the Clave and I’ll show you the scars from REALLY being attacked by a squirrel.  Story too long to post here. Wayne is jimmy c. gonna join us? tell him to bring plenty of peanuts and billy beer. –wataugan walt That was a rabbit that went after old Jimmy. — Charlie…

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 Winter is a lousy time for fishing here in New England. there’s something about that slight two-foot film of ice that inhibits the trout and salmon  rising to your exquisitely presented dry fly; perhaps that slight tap on the head as they slam into the solid wall of ice.  If it’s bad for fishing, though, it’s a great time for contemplating fishing trips of the past. One of my all time favorite days on the water ended without a single fish.  It was one of those perfect fall days when the air is dry and crystal clear, not the best weather for catching but perfect for fishing, if you know what I mean. I was supposed to be at work, but the day was too nice and the feeling of freedom I got from playing hooky from work just added to the enjoyment of the day.  About three miles from the dock I saw something swimming in the water. Stopping to check it out, I found a gray squirrel. He was almost a mile from land and the water was cold. the poor thing swam up to my boat and I could hear it’s claws scraping on the aluminum side as the near-frozen animal tried desperately to get out of the water.  Now I enjoy eating a fish now and then but otherwise consider myself a kindly soul so up picked up my landing net and hoisted the half-frozen rodent out of the water. When I laid it on the seat of my boat it was so cold it just layed there.  Being somewhat foolhardy as well as kindly, I took off my coat, an old Vietnam-era Army jacket, built a nest and placed the cold-cold squirrel inside.  I continued on to my favorite fishing hole and proceeded to cast for smallmouth bass. The sun was getting warmer and the squirrel in my coat would, once in a while let out a little sneeze but was otherwise silent.  After two or three hours of casting, I had totally forgotten about my guest, now comfortably asleep in my coat. I put my rod down and turned to start the motor.  As the motor roared to life, I hard a scrambling sound in back of me and turned to see a gray streak come flying from the front seat, onto the middles seat, onto the small of my back and up my back to the top of my head where it dove off into the water and swam the short 10 feet to shore.  Now I know I was at least 10 miles from the dock but when I returned a couple of the guys there swore they heard me scream.  I wasn’t so much scared, though, as hurt. After all I had done for him the damned squirrel never even looked back.  Anyone out there have similar stories they’d like to share?

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Joe Mitko writes:

(good story mostly snipped) As the motor roared to life, I hard a scrambling sound in back of me and turned to see a gray streak come flying from the front seat, onto the middles seat, onto the small of my back and up my back to the top of my head where it dove off into the water and swam the short 10 feet to shore.

Joe:  great story, but you missed out on some great tying material. Mark Faulkner

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Hello: I am looking for the San Jose Flyfishing Club.  If you have any info, please send to me.  Tia…. Steve

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Hello: I am looking for the San Jose Flyfishing Club.  If you have any info, please send to me.  Tia….

They used to hold their meetings at the corner of Saratoga Ave. and Williams and occasionally would announce their meetings in the SJ Mercury.  They could also occasionally be found meeting at the Campbell "Perc" ponds on the weekend.  I understand they have a casting pond there now. John Fereira

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San Jose Flycasters hold their monthly meeting at the Senior Center at the corner of Payne and Saratoga on the second Wednesday of every month – next meeting is July 9. Many club members can be found at the Campbell Casting ponds located withing Los Gatos Creek Park. On Thursday nights there are a number of club members providing free casting instruction. bob sato — Dr. Robert K. Sato Catalytica Inc. 430 Ferguson Drive Mountain View, CA  94043   USA Voice:  (415)940-6375 Fax:    (415)960-0127

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Sorry – I forgot to include: Meetings start at 7 pm. bob sato – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – San Jose Flycasters hold their monthly meeting at the Senior Center at the corner of Payne and Saratoga on the second Wednesday of every month – next meeting is July 9. Many club members can be found at the Campbell Casting ponds located withing Los Gatos Creek Park. On Thursday nights there are a number of club members providing free casting instruction. bob sato — Dr. Robert K. Sato Catalytica Inc. 430 Ferguson Drive Mountain View, CA  94043   USA Voice:  (415)940-6375 Fax:    (415)960-0127

– Dr. Robert K. Sato Catalytica Inc. 430 Ferguson Drive Mountain View, CA  94043   USA Voice:  (415)940-6375 Fax:    (415)960-0127

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Does anyone have experience with the lower cost flats boats. I live up in the northeast and go striper fishing in fairly protected inshore areas. I am considering the purchase of a flats boat but when a Hewes 16 foot Bonefisher is 18-19K I can not justify it. I have found some lower cost boats such as the Prosport 16 footer, Osborn 17 footer etc that are closer to 11-12K for boat motor and trailer but have not heard of these brands. Any comments would be welcome Any

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Does anyone have experience with the lower cost flats boats. I live up in the northeast and go striper fishing in fairly protected inshore areas. I am considering the purchase of a flats boat but when a Hewes 16 foot Bonefisher is 18-19K I can not justify it. I have found some lower cost boats such as the Prosport 16 footer, Osborn 17 footer etc that are closer to 11-12K for boat motor and trailer but have not heard of these brands. Any comments would be welcome Thank you

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I fish a Mako 19, specially rigged for flyfishing here in the Northeast, and you are welcome to my opinions, however contrary: I see no need for a flats boat up here (long island sound). The mako will get into 12 inches, as opposed to 8, and I see no difference in fishing opportunities. The truth is I can get the mako out on days when the flats boats have to stay home. Most of the flat boat owners I have spoken to up here, when really pressed, will say that they did not buy the appropriate boat. Just my 2 cents!

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Does anyone have experience with the lower cost flats boats. I live up in the northeast and go striper fishing in fairly protected inshore areas. I am considering the purchase of a flats boat but when a Hewes 16 foot Bonefisher is 18-19K I can not justify it. I have found some lower cost boats such as the Prosport 16 footer, Osborn 17 footer etc that are closer to 11-12K for boat motor and trailer but have not heard of these brands. Any comments would be welcome Any

I’ll be looking for a flats boat, soon.  Never had one, but from what I’ve been told it is a good move to buy used boat and get a new engine. Given the huge depreciation they suffer after the first year or so, and the fact the the hulls usually hold up well, and the engine is number one conceern, it seems like a logical approach. Adam

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My family will be visiting the Tacoma/Olympia area at the beginning of August, and I would like fish streams within a couple of hours drive. Does anyone have some recommendations? thx….. Bob

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My family will be visiting the Tacoma/Olympia area at the beginning of August, and I would like fish streams within a couple of hours drive. Does anyone have some recommendations?

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Youll have so much fishing within two hours you wont know what to do:  to the west – all the famous Olympic Peninsula streams for steelhead; plus the Elwha for trout (near Port angeles); to the south, youll have the cowlitz, Kalama and other famous steelhead and salmon rivers (plus some trout); to the north (if you want to drive through seattle) youll have the Green, Skykomish and Stilly; to the east, you have mtn lakes, marginal trout streams and youre abnout 2 hours from the Yakima River, the states best fly fishing river….  Not to mention the Puget Sound salt water where people fly fish quite a bit, including from shore for salmon, cutts and snags. Have fun, Andy Taylor Pocatello, Idaho

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I intend to fish in 11-mile canyon this fall.  I have fished it before with little luck.  I am looking for suggestions about flys and technique.      This summer, I primarily flyfished Mueller State Park, Pueblo Reservoir, and Nicholes reservoir.  Mueller and Nicholes were very productive.  I am using a 8 1/2 foot Browning 6-7 wt.  I have tried Deckers without catching a fish.  I have a lot to learn.    Any help would be very welcome.  Thanks in advance.    Sherman W.

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I intend to fish in 11-mile canyon this fall.  I have fished it before with little luck.  I am looking for suggestions about flys and technique.     This summer, I primarily flyfished Mueller State Park, Pueblo Reservoir, and Nicholes reservoir.  Mueller and Nicholes were very productive.  I am using a 8 1/2 foot Browning 6-7 wt.  I have tried Deckers without catching a fish.  I have a lot to learn.   Any help would be very welcome.  Thanks in advance.   Sherman W.

I can’t help you with fly suggestions, try Angler’s Covey in Colorado Springs. (sorry, I don’t know the number, maybe someone else can post it) The one useful piece of advice I can offer is to practice keeping your cast low to the water with a tight loop. What Mel Krieger calls a "Madison River Cast". The wind can realy get going on south park and unless you can get a cast into it you’re going to have problems. Tight lines, Dave Opincarne

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: I intend to fish in 11-mile canyon this fall.  I have fished it : before with little luck.  I am looking for suggestions about : flys and technique.   :    This summer, I primarily flyfished Mueller State Park, Pueblo Reservoir, : and Nicholes reservoir.  Mueller and Nicholes were very productive.  I am : using a 8 1/2 foot Browning 6-7 wt.  I have tried Deckers without catching : a fish.  I have a lot to learn. :    Any help would be very welcome.  Thanks in advance. :    Sherman W. Not to rain on your parade, but there are easier places to fish than Deckers and 11mile.  Right now, the Arkansas around Howard or Cotopaxi should be pretty productive.  Try just a gold ribbed hares ear nymph, or if you see a hatch coming off, and can reasonably match it go for it. If you’ve been going to Mueller SP, for just a little more time and gas money you can have a lot more fun.  Just about all of the S. Platte river above Spinney is open to fishing, and all the places on it that I’ve fished, respond well to nymphs (bead head, hares ear, etc.), and hoppers & humpies during the day.  This is a good place to get to know now, as when summer ends, and the big browns move in to the river from spinney, the fishing gets a lot more fun.  If you need more spec. info. try some of the fly shops, in CS or just about anywhere.  I would be happy to mail you some addr. if you are out of the area. Good Luck, Dave — | Any opinions expressed are not those of UCCS, but neither are the facts. | |                                                                          | | "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, especially in an AI program."  | |                         – Derek Partridge                                |

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: I intend to fish in 11-mile canyon this fall.  I have fished it : before with little luck.  I am looking for suggestions about : flys and technique.   :    This summer, I primarily flyfished Mueller State Park, Pueblo Reservoir, : and Nicholes reservoir.  Mueller and Nicholes were very productive.  I am : using a 8 1/2 foot Browning 6-7 wt.  I have tried Deckers without catching I just fished 11-mile Canyon 6 days ago.  I’ve only been to Colorado twice, and both times I must admit, the fish count out there beats the hell out of what we have here in the east.  I stopped down to the Angler’s Covey to buy 3 copies each of several local patterns of what was supposed to be the current hot flies.  My best success came late in the evening on a #24 light cahill.  Some of these guys get real scientific spewing Latin terms around, but in my experience, size is the most important factor and general coloration is next. The rainbows were fat and healthy.  (Sounds like a contradiction, but I guess I’m fat and healthy too!)  Not being used to sucking oxygen from the air at 8,500′, it was nice to be able to park streamside.  My one other Colorado fishing experience was at Cheesman Canyon, and it was worth the effort to hike into.  Anyway. . . The guy I fished with says that the trout at 11-mile Canyon are not all that leader shy — YET.  I used 8x, but that was because I bought some new Orvis tippet material that at 8x was rated stronger than what I used to buy at 4x.  Nice stuff. Anyway, I took one of my 7-1/2′ 4-wt glass rods.  I dare say I was the only one fishing a glass rod and/or a "short" rod.  I caught as many trout as the locals, and I caught them on eastern dry fly patterns. Supposedly small (#18-20) pheasant tails, bead head nymphs, gr hare’s ears were supposed to be working during times of no surface activity. I tried and RS-2 (what does "RS-2" stand for?) when I saw a bunch of tails and backs but no noses.  I guess you’re supposed to fish the emergers with a strike indicator, but I don’t like fly fishing with a bobber. Anyway, that stretch of S. Platte was a nice crick.  Saw a black bear on the way out which was kind of fun.  I didn’t land any huge trout, but I saw a few thick backs that I estimated belonged to fish in the 20 inch range.  I understand there are some bigger trout up there. All in all, it was a great vacation, ‘cept I only played golf once and only fished once.  It was really neat to hit 300+ yard tee shots, something I’ve never come close to down here near sea level. Enjoy, — Tom

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: I just fished 11-mile Canyon 6 days ago.  I’ve only been to Colorado twice, : and both times I must admit, the fish count out there beats the hell out : of what we have here in the east.  I stopped down to the Angler’s Covey It’s just not true.  There are no fish here in Colorado.  Trust me. : I tried and RS-2 (what does "RS-2" stand for?) when I saw a bunch of It stands for Rim’s Semblance #2.  Rim came here hundreds of years   ago from Korea and invented this fly as an imitation of the mayfly larva we have here in the S. Platte. : but I saw a few thick backs that I estimated belonged to fish in the : 20 inch range.  I understand there are some bigger trout up there. My son landed/released a 23" bow there this summer.  No, that wasn’t here.  It must have been in Wyoming.  We don’t have fish here. : All in all, it was a great vacation, ‘cept I only played golf once : and only fished once.  It was really neat to hit 300+ yard tee shots, : something I’ve never come close to down here near sea level. Yeah, you can get deeper into the rough here than is possible in the lowlands.  :-) : Enjoy, : — Tom Glad you had a good time. Bryan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So Pat, you want a Muskie story……eh???  Now it’s summer of ‘91.  My Muskie fishing partner and I have been beatin’ the drink for 3 seasons, just trying to get a glimpse of ole Moby.  One day, the Sheriff’s Dept. gets a call from a hysterical lady saying something in the lake is trying to eat her 40 lb. springer spaniel. No lie…..she was throwing a stick in the lake for "fido" to go fetch….and something latches on to its hind leg and pulls it under.  The story has it, the dog came up and went down once more. The dog finally struggled to shore, and one of its rear legs is severed badly to the tune of 30-40 stitches at the local Vet.  Now… …  Then I got to thinking,  that fish probably eats a 10 lb. sucker for lunch, and I’m teasing it with a 10 inch piece of wood.  Well…she’s still swimming, and my Muskie fishing partner believes as much of this story as I did his dog story, originally,  and I’m working on a jerkbait that resembles a small canoe. Hope ya liked it, Tom    Oh, I liked it!   I think you ought to take a tip from the fly fishermen. Match the hatch!   Talk to that lady and maybe get a picture or two of her dog, then go looking for a stuffed animal with a resemblance to the springer spaniel.

Or maybe he’s a bait fisherman and might have to go bait fishing first. I suppose he could always go find some poodle hackle and tie up a decent imitation. If you cant find a stuffed animal thats close enugh, start carving on a log, maybe you be done by the time the ice melts. I guess I have to enter a bunch of irealevent lines in order…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Keywords: striped bass, Muskies So Pat, you want a Muskie story……eh???  Now it’s summer of ‘91.  My Muskie fishing partner and I have been beatin’ the drink for 3 seasons, just trying to get a glimpse of ole Moby.  One day, the Sheriff’s Dept. gets a call from a hysterical lady saying something in the lake is trying to eat her 40 lb. springer spaniel. No lie…..she was throwing a stick in the lake for "fido" to go fetch….and something latches on to its hind leg and pulls it under.  The story has it, the dog came up and went down once more. The dog finally struggled to shore, and one of its rear legs is severed badly to the tune of 30-40 stitches at the local Vet.  Now… …  Then I got to thinking,  that fish probably eats a 10 lb. sucker for lunch, and I’m teasing it with a 10 inch piece of wood.  Well…she’s still swimming, and my Muskie fishing partner believes as much of this story as I did his dog story, originally,  and I’m working on a jerkbait that resembles a small canoe. Hope ya liked it, Tom    Oh, I liked it!   I think you ought to take a tip from the fly fishermen. Match the hatch!   Talk to that lady and maybe get a picture or two of her dog, then go looking for a stuffed animal with a resemblance to the springer spaniel. If you cant find a stuffed animal thats close enugh, start carving on a log, maybe you be done by the time the ice melts.

I think the greatest muskie lure going (besides a crappie fisherman’s minnow) is a small radio contrlled yellow duckling that actually paddles with its feet.  Ever see the real thing disappear in a humongous eruption? WOW! 1106 Rayburn Ct.                   K9ALD     AFA3WG Mahomet, IL 61853                  Outdoor writer (Fishing) 217-586-4958                       Skamania Reign Supreme! Manager, Network systems, OIM, University of Illinois

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So Pat, you want a Muskie story……eh???  Now it’s summer of ‘91.  My Muskie fishing partner and I have been beatin’ the drink for 3 seasons, just trying to get a glimpse of ole Moby.  One day, the Sheriff’s Dept. gets a call from a hysterical lady saying something in the lake is trying to eat her 40 lb. springer spaniel. No lie…..she was throwing a stick in the lake for "fido" to go fetch….and something latches on to its hind leg and pulls it under.  The story has it, the dog came up and went down once more. The dog finally struggled to shore, and one of its rear legs is severed badly to the tune of 30-40 stitches at the local Vet.  Now… …  Then I got to thinking,  that fish probably eats a 10 lb. sucker for lunch, and I’m teasing it with a 10 inch piece of wood.  Well…she’s still swimming, and my Muskie fishing partner believes as much of this story as I did his dog story, originally,  and I’m working on a jerkbait that resembles a small canoe. Hope ya liked it, Tom

    Oh, I liked it!    I think you ought to take a tip from the fly fishermen.  Match the hatch!    Talk to that lady and maybe get a picture or two of her dog, then go looking for a stuffed animal with a resemblance to the springer spaniel. If you cant find a stuffed animal thats close enugh, start carving on a log, maybe you be done by the time the ice melts. I guess I have to enter a bunch of irealevent lines in order to beat the stupid breavity suppressor. Does anyone know how to get past it any other way? this is crazy. Well is this enough lines to do the tricK? I hope so.

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Great giant muskie story deleted… Thomas, Have you considered trolling live-bait rigs with St.Bernards hooked though the nose?  :)  :}  ;   :]   (General public; please notice the many smiley faces, put down those damn flame throwers).                    -Pat.

  Pat,   You wouldn’t believe what’s gone through my mind with this fish!!  I think  I’ve come up with the solution…..I call it a Yipper Harness!!  It’ll take most critters up to about 25-30 lbs. Tom

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I’m getting anxious to get the surf rod in action.  Up here in northeastern Massachusetts we have at least another 4 or 6 weeks to go before the stripers show up.  Is anyone down in NJ, NY, Connecticut getting any striped bass action yet?  I’m willing to drive a few hours to fish. Jon — Jonathan Rodin             FTP Software, Inc.            voice: (508) 659-6261                            North Andover, MA  01845

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I’m getting anxious to get the surf rod in action.  Up here in northeastern Massachusetts we have at least another 4 or 6 weeks to go before the stripers show up.  Is anyone down in NJ, NY, Connecticut getting any striped bass action yet?  I’m willing to drive a few hours to fish.

According to Riverview Bait & Tackle; Bass River, MA; schoolies are showing on the south shore of Cape Cod. They’re probably chasing herring (alewives). Now, when will the first blues arrive?! Bruce Smith

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| I’m getting anxious to get the surf rod in action.  Up here in northeastern | Massachusetts we have at least another 4 or 6 weeks to go before the | stripers show up.  Is anyone down in NJ, NY, Connecticut getting any | striped bass action yet?  I’m willing to drive a few hours to fish. | | According to Riverview Bait & Tackle; Bass River, MA; schoolies are showing | on the south shore of Cape Cod. They’re probably chasing herring (alewives). | Now, when will the first blues arrive?! | | Bruce Smith | They have not shown up in NC in any numbers yet, unfortunately you may have to wait a while.                                 -Pat. p.s.  someone up North there, tell me a good MUSKIE story.         (even better if it is mostly true :}   ).

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There are indeed stripers on the southside of Cape Cod, Buzzard’s Bay, Rhode Island and some Connecticut Rivers. I checked out a herring run yesterday and indeed, it was filled with fish: hence the bass are right behind them, up inside the estuaries and marshes, feeding at the mouth of the runs. No luck personally after four outings, but have seen fish taken at dawn on high, outgoing tides where the bays empty into the Sound. Bluefish? May 15 for southern Cape Cod. DCC — Forbes Magazine                                 dchurbuck:MCIMAIL

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  (Text Deleted)                            -Pat. p.s.  someone up North there, tell me a good MUSKIE story.        (even better if it is mostly true :}   ).

 So Pat, you want a Muskie story……eh???   I moved to WI. in Jan. of ‘87.  That spring, the DNR were taking a population survey of various fish species in Lake Wissota, just on the northeast end of Chippewa Falls. They had been out shocking most of the day, and were gathering and tagging quite a bunch of Muskie and walleye.(Notice how the word "Muskie" is the only fish name that commands enough respect of me that I capitalize it)   Late in the afternoon of that spring day,  a huge Muskie, stunned by the field of the shocking machine floats to the surface.  The three DNR people in the shocking boat don’t believe what they see.  They hurriedly try to slip a six foot cradle net under the fish.  The fish is so long its head and tail are both extending beyond the ends of the net.  Before they could hoist this fish to boatside for measuring, it decides it doesn’t want to be in the net!!!! So….it leaves….before any measurements are taken.  The DNR people say it’s a new world record!!!  Right here in Lake Wissota….right here under my nose.   My Muskie fishing partner is a local law enforcement officer, and works in the County Court House in an office near the County DNR fish biologist. He gets the scoop on this fish….it’s true…..Moby Muskihoonge lives right here under my nose.   Now it’s summer of ‘91.  My Muskie fishing partner and I have been beatin’ the drink for 3 seasons, just trying to get a glimpse of ole Moby.  One day, the Sheriff’s Dept. gets a call from a hysterical lady saying something in the lake is trying to eat her 40 lb. springer spaniel. No lie…..she was throwing a stick in the lake for "fido" to go fetch….and something latches on to its hind leg and pulls it under.  The story has it, the dog came up and went down once more. The dog finally struggled to shore, and one of its rear legs is severed badly to the tune of 30-40 stitches at the local Vet.  Now…when my Muskie fishing partner told me this, I just about got torqued off…thinking he was playing with my emotions, but the following Sunday in church, I was approached by a congregation member who also happens to know I’m pretty interested in Muskie fishing and who also happens to be a Vet.  "Ya should’ve seen what I saw the other day ", he said.  Well, the blood is boiling.     Now it’s summer of ‘92.  I have a friend from work with me fishing Muskies on one of the bars in Lake Wissota.  He’s boated a 34" northern pike, and I’ve had two follows…mid to high 30" fish.  My normal fishing partner is at some school in Madison, so that’s why I have a different person along.  I’m throwing my favorite home-made bucktail, a 10 incher, black over orange with a #8 florescent orange willow leaf blade.  A long cast……and not 15 feet from right in front of me…there she is!!!  Moby Muskihoonge…..does the old porpoise trick… and when she goes back down, her tail is waving back and forth in the breeze. I estimate a 15 – 20" spread from point to point on her tail, and she’s  danged near half as long as my 17 ft. bass boat, for sure!!  Four or five lazy waves of the tail, and she’s gone,  leaving a boil in the water about 5 ft. in diameter.   I’m scrambling to get my bucktail back after the cast, and get the biggest bait in my box on my leader……a Super 10 magnum Suick.   Its too late.. a dozen casts of that bait yields nothing but sore arms!! My friend says he saw something out of the corner of his eye, and he saw the boil in the water, but thats all, he won’t confirm the sighting……dogmeat!!   Then I got to thinking,  that fish probably eats a 10 lb. sucker for lunch, and I’m teasing it with a 10 inch piece of wood.  Well…she’s still swimming, and my Muskie fishing partner believes as much of this story as I did his dog story, originally,  and I’m working on a jerkbait that resembles a small canoe. Hope ya liked it, Tom *  Thomas L. Cooley           *     Whatever I say is only my opinion, and     * *  The Muskie Maniac          *     most people at CRI would say it’s not      * *  Chippewa Falls, WI.        *     MUSKIES- Other fish are just BAIT!!        *

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|   (Text Deleted) | |                              -Pat. | p.s.  someone up North there, tell me a good MUSKIE story.   |      (even better if it is mostly true :}   ). | | | | |  So Pat, you want a Muskie story……eh??? Great giant muskie story deleted… Thomas, Have you considered trolling live-bait rigs with St.Bernards hooked though the nose?  :)  :}  ;   :]   (General public; please notice the many smiley faces, put down those damn flame throwers).                         -Pat.

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