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Hello Everyone,  I’m gearing up to do a bit of small lake fishing next week.  I really haven’t done much lake fly fishing over the past few years so I’m not real sure what to bring along for patterns.  Can anyone suggest some good "general" patterns for exploration on high mountain lakes? TIA

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Hello Everyone,  I’m gearing up to do a bit of small lake fishing next week.  I really haven’t done much lake fly fishing over the past few years so I’m not real sure what to bring along for patterns.  Can anyone suggest some good "general" patterns for exploration on high mountain lakes? TIA

These are the flies I use over here in Scotland on hill lochs :- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/flyindex.html especially the "Dry fly", "Hill Loch Nymph" and "Iron Blue Wetfly". — Don`t Worry, Be Happy       Sandy —       Website:-  http://www.ftscotland.co.uk     IRC:- Sandyb in #rabble  uk3.arcnet.vapor.com Port:6667      #Rabble Channel Website:- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/rabble              ICQ : 41266150

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These are the flies I use over here in Scotland on hill lochs :- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/flyindex.html especially the "Dry fly", "Hill Loch Nymph" and "Iron Blue Wetfly".

Thanks for the link Sandy!  It’s good to see someone talk about fly fishing around here…. — Opinions are like assholes.  Everyone’s got one. … and they all stink!

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Thanks for the link Sandy!  It’s good to see someone talk about fly fishing around here….

Yeah, beats the hell out of gratuitous insults, don’t it? Opinions are like assholes.  Everyone’s got one.

makes you superfluous, huh? … and they all stink!

We are pleased to bow to your authority. Wolfgang o.k., who wants to ask how someone comes to know so much about rectal redolence?

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Thanks for the link Sandy!  It’s good to see someone talk about fly fishing around here…. Yeah, beats the hell out of gratuitous insults, don’t it?

Opinions are like assholes.  Everyone’s got one. makes you superfluous, huh?

… and they all stink! We are pleased to bow to your authority.

— Opinions are like assholes.  Everyone’s got one. … and they all stink!

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I will have a chance to fish the Green River in Utah (below Flaming Gorge) next weekend.  I can find info on what flies are hot (well kinda..most reports are at least 2 weeks old now), but can’t find any riggging info.

Here are a couple of reports that are only days old. http://www.flyshop.com/centers/index.cfm?category=rm In the left margin, click on "Professional Fishing Reports".  Scroll down and you will find two on the Green with some good, current info.  You can find other current reports at: http://www.wrflyfisher.com/condit/rivers.php3?id=6159c3882d75fe9a9b7d… 4c246 http://quickbyte.com/greenriver/ http://www.webcom.com/drifters/ http://quickbyte.com/oldmoe/ http://www.fishwest.net/utah/disc_toc.htm http://www.fishwest.net/utah/currentconditions/index.htm If you go to flyanglersonline.com and search for the Green River, you will also get some good info.  I didn’t read it all, but there might be some stuff of interest to you. I can surmise that since the river is getting low, that the fish will be skittish, and that a long leader with a fine tippet should be used.  But, does that mean a 5x, or a 7x,or what?

My suggestions would be to start with 5X and work your way down.  If fishing with hoppers and such, you might want to even go up to 4X.  Let the fish dictate what to use instead of newsgroup info.  Or you always could stop in a fly shop when you get there and ask them. I have never fished this river system, so any info that you fine folks would like to share would be greatly appreciated.

Me either.  Good luck and let us know how you do. — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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I will have a chance to fish the Green River in Utah (below Flaming Gorge) next weekend.  I can find info on what flies are hot (well kinda..most reports are at least 2 weeks old now), but can’t find any riggging info.  I can surmise that since the river is getting low, that the fish will be skittish, and that a long leader with a fine tippet should be used.  But, does that mean a 5x, or a 7x,or what?

     I’ve always done well on the Green this time of year using stimulators in #10 or #12. Sometimes I’ll add an olive scud on a 2′ dropper, although I’d rather not. Another killer pattern this time of year is locally referred to as the "Hamburger Helper", it’s a #4 orangish-brown wooly bugger fished through the deeper spots. It’s a real bitch to cast, but it’ll take the biggest fish in the river.     If you go any smaller than a 4x you’ll break off a lot of fish.

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So this is how it’s gonna be!  Youz guyz are gonna be helpful to ever Tom, Dick and Hairy that stumbles upon this *site.*  Totally useless, I’m outta here! Op  –the dismayed–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will have a chance to fish the Green River in Utah (below Flaming Gorge) next weekend.  I can find info on what flies are hot (well kinda..most reports are at least 2 weeks old now), but can’t find any riggging info.  I can surmise that since the river is getting low, that the fish will be skittish, and that a long leader with a fine tippet should be used.  But, does that mean a 5x, or a 7x,or what?      I’ve always done well on the Green this time of year using stimulators in #10 or #12. Sometimes I’ll add an olive scud on a 2′ dropper, although I’d rather not. Another killer pattern this time of year is locally referred to as the "Hamburger Helper", it’s a #4 orangish-brown wooly bugger fished through the deeper spots. It’s a real bitch to cast, but it’ll take the biggest fish in the river.     If you go any smaller than a 4x you’ll break off a lot of fish.

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So this is how it’s gonna be!  Youz guyz are gonna be helpful to ever Tom, Dick and Hairy that stumbles upon this *site.*  Totally useless, I’m outta here! Op  –the dismayed–

     HEY, HEY, HEY, NOW JUST A MINUTE!!  I was just trying to divert some guy away from my home water!

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So this is how it’s gonna be!  Youz guyz are gonna be helpful to ever Tom, Dick and Hairy that stumbles upon this *site.*  Totally useless, I’m outta here! Op  –the dismayed–

Blow you! TC, R

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All, I will have a chance to fish the Green River in Utah (below Flaming Gorge) next weekend.  I can find info on what flies are hot (well kinda..most reports are at least 2 weeks old now), but can’t find any riggging info.  I can surmise that since the river is getting low, that the fish will be skittish, and that a long leader with a fine tippet should be used.  But, does that mean a 5x, or a 7x,or what? I have never fished this river system, so any info that you fine folks would like to share would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mike P.

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I have noticed today that there are  some personal items of Gary LaFontaine up for auction. I know he is struggling with ALS (I believe) but I really hope that his family isn’t having to sell his personal possessions to meet medical costs associated with his illness. I don’t want to start a bitch session about HMOs and the like, but if this is the case it’s pretty bloody awful.

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I have noticed today that there are  some personal items of Gary LaFontaine up for auction. I know he is struggling with ALS (I believe) but I really hope that his family isn’t having to sell his personal possessions to meet medical costs associated with his illness. I don’t want to start a bitch session about HMOs and the like, but if this is the case it’s pretty bloody awful.

This is sad. There’s no cure for ALS and it’s a terrible, painful way to die. I recently read Gary’s book about fishing the high country lakes. I enjoyed it very much and recommend it highly. One thing that came across in the book was how much he loved the extreme physical exertion of that kind of fishing. I’d be honored to give one of Gary’s legendary fishing dogs a home, if it needs one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I read in the letters column of Flyfishing and Tying Journal that one of the publishers was hosting a fund for Gary.  I’ll try to pick up the address Scott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have noticed today that there are  some personal items of Gary LaFontaine up for auction. I know he is struggling with ALS (I believe) but I really hope that his family isn’t having to sell his personal possessions to meet medical costs associated with his illness. I don’t want to start a bitch session about HMOs and the like, but if this is the case it’s pretty bloody awful. This is sad. There’s no cure for ALS and it’s a terrible, painful way to die. I recently read Gary’s book about fishing the high country lakes. I enjoyed it very much and recommend it highly. One thing that came across in the book was how much he loved the extreme physical exertion of that kind of fishing. I’d be honored to give one of Gary’s legendary fishing dogs a home, if it needs one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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<SNIP  and my Red Chili dove enchiladas are muy bueno (quail and pheasant have been substituted at times).

<SNIP Sounds delicious!   Care to share the recipe? — George Reinier

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Greetings: Just wondering about other people that did this if they carried a fry pan,grill top, or do they make something special for this?

Please see suggestions/possible ideas below. A pan can be a summer luxury, but it is far from a necessity. A mentor made an oven (he was in the Corps of Engineers), and he would bring in Goldens and make brownies or gingerbread (I preferred the brownies), and I would spend the day off climbing, and life was grand.  An oven is even more of a luxury. There used to be commercial ovens, but several factors have reduced seeing them. Improvising is a key.

  Yup, and the hungrier one is, the more one improvises – at least in our camps! I prefer to fry my trout in some oil or butter, lightly coated in corn meal.  (Important note:  If preparing fish this way after dark, _do not_ confuse corn meal bag with  powdered orange juice mix bag!)  :-(  There are many other options – just some examples: One can make a one-time fry pan out of aluminum foil. Wrap trout in aluminum foil and roast on hot coals. Roast them on a stick.   Trout au bleu [blue trout] Someone help me with my French, _please_.

 For this, you must be in a place where trout can be caught immediately: Prepare rest of meal, i.e., make rice and/or suitable other items in advance.  Bring water in pan to boil, and squeeze a little lemon juice in the water.  (You can carry a lemon a long time on most backpacking trips.)  Have someone catch trout and toss to another fellow camper, if possible.  Clean trout, preferably with one stroke, and plunge trout into boiling water.  Boil for about 30 seconds, or until flesh flakes off easily.  If you do this right, the trout flesh will turn light blue, hence the name.  Very light and flaky with most oils boiled away.  Even if the trout flesh doesn’t turn light blue, it will taste good anyway.  On a side note, I heard that fishermen in the northern states, (and perhaps Canada?), sometimes boil large lake trout in 50 gallon drums for fish-feeds.  Is that true?  If so, I would like to try that sometime. "Slurp" indeed!  :-) Cheers, and happy trials,  -Mark NRA Life Member Sierra Club Life Member

Heck, I’d rather write ‘em a check every year, just in case I change my mind!  :-)

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Just wondering about other people that did this if they carried a fry pan,grill top, or do they make something special for this?

A pan can be a summer luxury, but it is far from a necessity. A mentor made an oven (he was in the Corps of Engineers), and he would bring in Goldens and make brownies or gingerbread (I preferred the brownies), and I would spend the day off climbing, and life was grand.  An oven is even more of a luxury. There used to be commercial ovens, but several factors have reduced seeing them. Improvising is a key. NRA Life Member

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NSS life member              We’ll cross that bridge when it rears its ugly head

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Just wondering about other people that did this if they carried a fry pan,grill top, or do they make something special for this?

Aluminum foil cannot be overrated.  Trout can be cooked in foil, and a small amount of spice, green pepper, onion, bottled salad dressing, or whatever can be added.  Not a lot to carry, and makes some very tasty fish.   PS.  Do not forget the matches. Steve Spelling, grammar, and content errors intentionally included for those whose only purpose in life is to correct others.  ;-)

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OK to those who do this lets say you like to make a small fire and cook a few for lunch what would I carry a fry pan, small grill top or what? What have you tried.Thanks

For car-camping I bring all the cooking luxuries.  Foil, some lemon and butter work most of the time with a wood fire.  It’s a little difficult to cook up a good sized trout with a Whisperlite though (frying up something you have filleted is easier).  You have to move around your under-sized light-weight backpacking frying pan and flip the fish a few times (I prefer my fish under-cooked, vs. over-cooked).  I do have a moderate weight grate I bring backpacking sometimes. NRA Life Member

Not again. — Ski Abineau! kknisely at parkcity dot com

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I would hike in about 2 1/2 hour hike then fish about 3-4 hours up river I have a good size day pack I use for my waders and boots I would not be close to a car when I cooked the trout. Just wondering about other people that did this if they carried a fry pan,grill top, or do they make something special for this? NRA Life Member

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: OK to those who do this lets say you : like to make a small fire and cook a few : for lunch what would I carry a fry pan, : small grill top or what? What have you : tried.Thanks : NRA Life Member A friend brought along a small butane stove, teflon fry pan, a little oil and a little breading and some tortillas. We had fresh fish tacos alongside the stream on a fine bushwhacking daytrip. The tortillas made a great way to handle the cooked fish. I find that carrying the fish-cooking pan and supplies isn’t worth the weight since I’m already carrying a *reliable* cook-anywhere dinner when backpacking. Fishing is just entertainment for me. Last backpacking trip I was glad I’d left the fishing gear home. It was a very aggressive, off-trail, no-one-we-could-contact-has-ever-been-there kind of trip. My buddy brought his fly rod. Unfortutately  all the high lakes along the way were fish-free and the single stream caught fish wasn’t enough fun to justify bringing the flyrod. I’m glad I wasn’t carrying mine. See http://estes.on-line.com/rmnp/reports/paradise.html   for the story. Ron

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Just wondering about other people that did this if they carried a fry pan,grill top, or do they make something special for this?

I actually carry live trout with me, in addition to the fry pan and grill top. I keep the trout right next to my sled-mounted .308. -Paul John Paul Minda Dept of Psychology University at Buffalo http://wings.buffalo.edu/~minda

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for lunch what would I carry a fry pan, small grill top or what?

Easy.  Pot lids.  Works fine.  No extra weight. They don’t hold the 5.5 lbs ones in one piece, but you learn to make do.

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Paul, I don’t think that is balanced correctly.  I think if you put a .223 with a high capacity magazine opposite and put the trout in the middle, it will balance much better. I have heard, from a reliable source, that this is the way to do it. Chris It is amazing the things you learn here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just wondering about other people that did this if they carried a fry pan,grill top, or do they make something special for this? I actually carry live trout with me, in addition to the fry pan and grill top. I keep the trout right next to my sled-mounted .308. -Paul John Paul Minda Dept of Psychology University at Buffalo http://wings.buffalo.edu/~minda

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How many of you backpackers trout fish? If I get some responses to this I have more questions.Thanks

You will probably troll better in rec.outdoors.fishing or one of the other fishing groups, either in that group or as a cross-post. But cross-post carefully. I just eat fish.  Like Muir, I find the act of fishing boring. Slurp.

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How many of you backpackers trout fish? Yes  (Of course ALL of us are backpackers and we do nothing else)

I HOPE you either eat them, release them or feed the bears with them. NRA Life Member No

Yes. — Ski Abineau!

Where’s that? Do they have sled trails too?

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OK to those who do this lets say you like to make a small fire and cook a few for lunch what would I carry a fry pan, small grill top or what? What have you tried.Thanks NRA Life Member

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OK to those who do this lets say you like to make a small fire and cook a few for lunch what would I carry a fry pan, small grill top or what? What have you tried.Thanks

There are a myriad of ways to cook fresh trout, and all of them are wonderful.  For details, I highly recommend Rick Greenspan’s "Backpacking: A Hedonist’s Guide." Sadly, it’s out of print, but your local library might have it. Gerald

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I HOPE you either eat them, release them or feed the bears with them.

‘Guess I’m missing your point…what else would you do with them? Generally, I prefer to eat them vs. catch-n-release.  It depends upon where you’re fishing, with whom your fishing with and how many other fish you’ve caught, limits, Blue Ribbon Fishing Waters, etc. NRA Life Member No Yes.

Not all gun owners/hunters are NRA members.  We lived off of elk chili in college and my Red Chili dove enchiladas are muy bueno (quail and pheasant have been substituted at times). — Ski Abineau! Where’s that? Do they have sled trails too?

Sorry, the "chutes" are located well within the Kachina Peaks Wilderness, but there is the "Waterline Road" which is gerrymandered into the Wilderness area (so the City can drive up the road and check on their water pipes).  A nice mtn. bike ride on the road.  When there’s snow, the Flagstaff area is quite popular with the ‘bilers, (N. Rim of GC too). — Ski Abineau! kknisely at parkcity dot com

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Is there any other reason to backpack than to get to out of the way trout water?

Climbing. Spelling, grammar, and content errors intentionally included for those whose only purpose in life is to correct others.  ;-)

I like it.

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How many of you backpackers trout fish? If I get some responses to this I have more questions.Thanks

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: How many of you backpackers trout : fish? If I get some responses to this : I have more questions.Thanks Sure. Makes a great way to pass the time when you’re too tired to walk anymore. : NRA Life Member Ron NRA Life too

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I canoe camp, not backpack.  Yes, I flail for trout (recently took it up, it’s not a pretty sight.  But the trout don’t mind.  They just swim in the same spot in the stream and ignore me.). If I were in a survival situation, the last thing I’d be doing is fishing with a line.  Nets.  Nets and weirs.  Just thought I’d drop that in to possibly start a new line dipped and see if I can catch anything bigger and more easily… How many of you backpackers trout fish? If I get some responses to this I have more questions.Thanks NRA Life Member

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I do I do!!!!!!!

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Is there any other reason to backpack than to get to out of the way trout water? Fishing is a very nice compliment to backpacking, not to mention you have an extra food source. Fishing is my second most favorite activity. Steve NRA and CCW Devotee Spelling, grammar, and content errors intentionally included for those whose only purpose in life is to correct others.  ;-)

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How many of you backpackers trout fish?

Yes  (Of course ALL of us are backpackers and we do nothing else) NRA Life Member

No — Ski Abineau! kknisely at parkcity dot com

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How many of you backpackers trout fish? If I get some responses to this I have more questions.Thanks NRA Life Member

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Hi John:  if you’re going to be in the Placencia area, we’d love to help you out.  Also, you might want to check our site for info about Belize fishing. Hope you have a great time while you’re here. Mary — Mary V. Toy                           Kevin Modera Guide Services Professional Guides for Tropical Anglers Placencia, Belize Voice and Fax:  (314) 776-3496 URL:  http://www.kevinmodera.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Im going on a cruise to Beleze and Roatan this spring and would love to hire a guide to take me bone fishing. I am only going to be there for one day so it is very important that I make reservations well ahead of time. If anyone knows of a good guide that I could contact, please let me know. Tips up. John Oliverio

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Where in Belize will the cruise be stopping? If it will be at Ambergris Caye (San Pedro), El Pescador, (26) 2975, and Rubie’s Hotel, (26) 2083, have guides available, but I haven’t fished there in a few years. Moon Travel Handbooks’ "Belize Handbook" by Chicki Mallan has some more info. Eric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Im going on a cruise to Beleze and Roatan this spring and would love to hire a guide to take me bone fishing. I am only going to be there for one day so it is very important that I make reservations well ahead of time. If anyone knows of a good guide that I could contact, please let me know. Tips up. John Oliverio

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Im going on a cruise to Beleze and Roatan this spring and would love to hire a guide to take me bone fishing. I am only going to be there for one day so it is very important that I make reservations well ahead of time. If anyone knows of a good guide that I could contact, please let me know. Tips up. John Oliverio

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Didn’t you hear?  Roatan is gone.  It was washed away by the hurricane. Ash Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Im going on a cruise to Beleze and Roatan this spring and would love to hire a guide to take me bone fishing. I am only going to be there for one day so it is very important that I make reservations well ahead of time. If anyone knows of a good guide that I could contact, please let me know. Tips up. John Oliverio

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If you try "aggressive wading" where I fish in England, you will either be ejected by a very angry bailiff or you will drown within 3 feet of the bank.

Hello Peter, Thanks for the moral support. We Brits must stick together:-) — Bill

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Bill No problem. Maybe we should start our own NG, maybe call it "uk.rec.fishing.game"?? — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email)

 Hello Peter, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks for the moral support. We Brits must stick together:-) — Bill

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Cigars or cigarettes are a strictly a no-no on the stream!   If you really want to "put on the dog" and fool the other flyfishermen into thinking that you know what you’re doing out on the stream, it is absolutely mandatory that you smoke a pipe.

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Cigars or cigarettes are a strictly a no-no on the stream!… …it is absolutely mandatory that you smoke a pipe. Negative. Chew tobacco or snuff. No smoke.

I would, but that Copenhagen keeps clogging my bong. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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  Well, I just had to add my 2 cents. Ain’t free speech wonderful?   JonCook.

Yeah, but it sounds to me like you’re jonesin’ for a butt. -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html NOTICE: DO NOT ADD MY NAME TO _ANY_ MAILING LISTS.  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -: Cigars or cigarettes are a strictly a no-no on the stream!… : …it is absolutely mandatory that you smoke a pipe. : : Negative. Chew tobacco or snuff. No smoke. Yeah, yeah, they’re all the *cool* thing to do. You ain’t a *cool* flyfisherman without it. That is, until you can’t wade ’cause you’re draggin’ an oxygen bottle, or speakin’ through an electro-voice, or half your lower lip is missin’. (snip) . There is no form that is safe. The corporations that sell tobacco pursue highly deceitful campaigns designed to addict you to their product and to make large profits off of you for the rest of your albeit shorter life." Well, I just had to add my 2 cents. Ain’t free speech wonderful? JonCook.

OK Jon, you’re right.  That having been said, I am in the snuff catagory.   Can’t fish without it.  Besides, think how much I’ll save Medicare when I croak earlier than the other baby-boomers. Mark Faulkner

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OK Jon, you’re right.  That having been said, I am in the snuff catagory. Can’t fish without it.  Besides, think how much I’ll save Medicare when I croak earlier than the other baby-boomers. Mark Faulkner

Yup.  I’ve got to have a big chaw of Beechnut Wintergreen every other trip or so.   All that spitting cleanses the soul.   Now as for those trendy yuppies who like to wrap their lips around a big, fat, long cigar….  uh… never mind.   I think a certain Brian Keith covered that one already.   Bob Scott

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As a nonsmoker, I was just kidding about the pipe thing, but you have to admit that pipesmoking fly fisherman have that air about them.                To all you 15 year olds who may have read my post and then got the urge to light up, all I can say is "Just say no".

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Cigars or cigarettes are a strictly a no-no on the stream!   If you really want to "put on the dog" and fool the other flyfishermen into thinking that you know what you’re doing out on the stream, it is absolutely mandatory that you smoke a pipe.

LOL!   Reminds me of an oft quoted saying my sis and I used during the huge influx of yuppie fly fishers a few years ago: "It doesn’t matter if you catch fish, as long as you look good." Max

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : Cigars or cigarettes are a strictly a no-no on the stream!… : …it is absolutely mandatory that you smoke a pipe. : : Negative. Chew tobacco or snuff. No smoke. Yeah, yeah, they’re all the *cool* thing to do. You ain’t a *cool* flyfisherman without it. That is, until you can’t wade ’cause you’re draggin’ an oxygen bottle, or speakin’ through an electro-voice, or half your lower lip is missin’. This isn’t directed at you, Jim, but at the whole thread. Geez, fellas, I thought we left this kinda talk back in high school. "Mandatory"? Give me a break. If you want to go smoke a pipe, fine, but there’s probably some 15-year olds reading this thread. For their sake, I’m going to add, "Tobacco, in any form, is highly addictive and cancerous. There is no form that is safe. The corporations that sell tobacco pursue highly deceitful campaigns designed to addict you to their product and to make large profits off of you for the rest of your albeit shorter life." Well, I just had to add my 2 cents. Ain’t free speech wonderful? JonCook.

   Yeah and cheap too. At least you know the value of your comments.

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Mr. Robert R. Hergan wrote Cigars or cigarettes are a strictly a no-no on the stream!   If you really want to "put on the dog" and fool the other flyfishermen into thinking that you know what you’re doing out on the stream, it is absolutely mandatory that you smoke a pipe.

I’m sorry I don’t know the author of the following, but it’s a clever little ditty I encountered years ago and seems apropos. Tobacco is a filthy weed …I like it! It satisfies no common need …I like it! It’ll make ya fat    It’ll make ya lean It’ll take the hair right off your bean It’s the worst darn stuff I’ve ever seen …. …. …I like it!

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Fri, 24 Apr 1998 in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, A. Gades Yeah, but it sounds to me like you’re jonesin’ for a butt.

Pardon me…? — Phil Jones

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Fri, 24 Apr 1998 in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, A. Gades Yeah, but it sounds to me like you’re jonesin’ for a butt. Pardon me…?

A FAG Phil….?  Or does that also have a *peculiar* connotation? — Bill

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Which is worse, kid flyfishing smoking a cigar, or kid standing on street corner selling and using crack? Its coming to something when the original poster can’t ask a question (free speech??) without an anti jumping down his throat! — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email)

 This isn’t directed at you, Jim, but at the whole thread. Geez, fellas, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I thought we left this kinda talk back in high school. "Mandatory"? Give me a break. If you want to go smoke a pipe, fine, but there’s probably some 15-year olds reading this thread. For their sake, I’m going to add, "Tobacco, in any form, is highly addictive and cancerous. There is no form that is safe. The corporations that sell tobacco pursue highly deceitful campaigns designed to addict you to their product and to make large profits off of you for the rest of your albeit shorter life." Well, I just had to add my 2 cents. Ain’t free speech wonderful? JonCook.

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If you try "aggressive wading" where I fish in England, you will either be ejected by a very angry bailiff or you will drown within 3 feet of the bank. Whilst I would agree that distance casting isn’t always necessary, it is an extremely useful tool to have at your disposal when required. Get some casting tuition so that you can cover the fish without extensive destruction of the river bed and fauna. If a fish is rising 25 yards out in a lake, unless you can walk on water you need to be able to cast to it. — Regards Peter Kay (Remove "nospam" to email)

:writes :aggressive wading :as being one of the basics to successful fly fishing. :In unfamliar water this activity is both dangerous and unnecessary. If :you intend wading deep, consider an automatically inflating vest – they :save lives! The further out you wade the further out go the fish! : :Tight lines :– :Bill

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writes aggressive wading as being one of the basics to successful fly fishing.

In unfamliar water this activity is both dangerous and unnecessary. If you intend wading deep, consider an automatically inflating vest – they save lives! The further out you wade the further out go the fish! Tight lines — Bill

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Hi Ken, If you are moderately serious about fly fishing (meaning you have gone enough times to become addicted and know that this isn’t a passing fad!) I too recommend the Sage DS II starter set.  I bought one several years ago after upgrading from fiberglass.   I have been fly fishing 25+ years and it was a great rod to transition into the world of graphite with.  The price was right too.  At the time, it was $225 but I think it runs about $275 now.  This is a rod that you will be able to use all of your fishing life and I think that is an important variable to consider.   Another rod to look at if the above is more then you want to spend is the St. Croix line of rods.  Good stuff for less money.

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writes aggressive wading as being one of the basics to successful fly fishing. In unfamliar water this activity is both dangerous and unnecessary.

[deleted] pussy. — TimW Halfordian Golfer & Expert at removing water from 35mm SLR’s.

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Aggressive wading, I love it – a few less fishermen – a few more fish. Love to get you down here in a couple of rivers I know to go aggressive wading, better wrap your cigar in something waterproof first. — Tony Bishop Fish with Bish Taupo, New Zealand http://bishfish.co.nz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes aggressive wading as being one of the basics to successful fly fishing. In unfamliar water this activity is both dangerous and unnecessary. [deleted] pussy. — TimW Halfordian Golfer & Expert at removing water from 35mm SLR’s.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My name is Ken Hochdanner, from Columbus, Ohio.  I’m new to fly fishing and would appreciate some advise as to the rod and reel to start with.  Also, I need some advise with respect to waders/hip boots.  Which should I consider buying.  I listen to you guys talk, and I hear a lot about aggressive wading as being one of the basics to successful fly fishing. Thanks in advance for the reply.  Oh, one more thing. Is it OK to smoke a cigar or two along with fly fishing? Thanks, Ken

     First things first, smole em if you gotem, if it were up to me it would be required. Next, rod reel. Agood starter setup from one of the mail order houses such as Cabela’s, L.L.Bean, or Orvis in the 6 to 8 wt class should get you started without hocking the wife and kids and give you a chance to see if you REALLY like it. That weight range in a 7 to 9′ rod is easy to learn with and most beginner sets are complete enough to add leader and fly (everything but fish). They all have websites.                                                           John Popp                                                         in Sanford Fl.

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Is this Adult Sex spam? Re the deep wading, I advise caution on the basis of an observed recent total immersion, redeemed by the employment of an automatically inflated vest. The unfortunate angler regrettably made no coherent notes of the fish population while he was submerged! Best wishes Mr Walker, — Bill

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Hi, Ken. Yes indeed there are many variables. Since you’re new, you probably don’t know what kind of fishing you’ll be doing. Take a class and try different rods to get a sense of it all. Even, here, though, you may not get a good sense of what you want out of fishing. I do some instructing, and my usual advice is to buy a starter set, particularly the sage starter, which is a 9 foot, 5 weight system in the Discovery Series of rods. This is an EXCELLENT rod that you can use anywhere, rivers, lakes, even stealhead (if they aren’t too big), some saltwater (wash the reel afterwards, and look out for kings). The line isn’t terrific, buy you probably won’t know this until you wear out the line and year from now. The reel is OK. The store person will set up the line, backing, leader, tippet for you (but you should eventually learn how to do this yourself). The whole set is something like $300, which in modern flyfishing terms is a good deal considering all the different components you fish. Everyone who has taken my advice have been very happy with the decision. In fact, when my rod breaks, I’ll probably buy the DS rod myself (and I’ve played with nearly all of them). This sport is ripe with marketing hype, myth and related BS–meaning you don’t need to spend a lot of money to be successful and happy with the sport. And, I forgot, spend a bunch of time in the library soaking up books on fish and fish habitats and less on your gear. In the end you’ll be smarter and happier fisher. The end, toney

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My name is Ken Hochdanner, from Columbus, Ohio.  I’m new to fly fishing and would appreciate some advise as to the rod and reel to start with.  Also, I need some advise with respect to waders/hip boots.  Which should I consider buying.  I listen to you guys talk, and I hear a lot about aggressive wading as being one of the basics to successful fly fishing. Thanks in advance for the reply.  Oh, one more thing. Is it OK to smoke a cigar or two along with fly fishing? Thanks, Ken

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My name is Ken Hochdanner, from Columbus, Ohio.  I’m new to fly fishing and would appreciate some advise as to the rod and reel to start with.  Also, I need some advise with respect to waders/hip boots.  Which should I consider buying.  I listen to you guys talk, and I hear a lot about aggressive wading as being one of the basics to successful fly fishing. Thanks in advance for the reply.  Oh, one more thing. Is it OK to smoke a cigar or two along with fly fishing?

Ken, …and then I’ll tell you the story of the world in five minutes:-) There are SOOOO many variables that it’s hard to start.   What are you fishing for?   How much do you have to spend?   How much time do you plan to spend on it?   Are you really into fishing in other ways, or is this something totally new to you? Waders vrs hip boots.    I’d go with waders AND SOS suspenders, or the equivalent, for safety.   The only thing I’ve used my hip boots for in the last ten years is putting my boat in and taking it out. "…aggressive wading…"   As you’ve seen, there’s been a lot of discussion about that term.    Suffice it to say that what the author most likely meant was that one should do a lot of repositioning and wading to get into a good spot to cast, rather than make long casts.   (Not all of us agree, or only agree partially.) Smoking: due more to 35+ years of experience than any natural talent, it’s a rare day when I, my sister and my brother-in-law don’t catch more fish than anyone else on the stream or lake, and we each smoke about a pack of cigarettes a day.   My biggest problem with it is having my leader or tippet hit the coal of my smoke…instant break.   Another problem is that it is almost axiomatic that when you’re taking it easy in a float tube, the fish wait until you’re busy lighting up to strike…I guess that’s some kind of fish humor…   (I sometimes put a bit of shrimp oil on nymphs, but haven’t seen that much difference in results.) There are lots of fishing web sites, including ones in your area, with tons of advice, but feel free to email me with questions.   I’m sure you’ll get a lot of response from those in this newsgroup. Max http://www.inetarena.com/~mwi "…there are only two things in life worth getting excited about, fly fishing is the other one…"

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Anyone know of a site with a Loon call .wav file on it?  We are looking for one to put on a new fly fishing site. — Paul Phillips Director of Operations Fintastic Fish Mounts http://www.fintastic.com/ Remove the 1 for E-mail

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Anyone know of a site with a Loon call .wav file on it?  We are looking for one to put on a new fly fishing site.

The Roger Tory Peterson bird watching CD (Houghton Mifflin) has good recordings of bird calls: copyright of course. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Anyone know of a site with a Loon call .wav file on it?  We are looking for one to put on a new fly fishing site. Not .wav but I have had a *.au loon call at my fishing page for years. See:  http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~powlesla/personal/fishing/

… you post this and suddenly Tim’s back! He heard it, he heard it! Ralph H note spurious hyperbole, insults and ‘personal attacks’ made by the author are meant to honour "the Soul of Cicero" and are not intended as personal slights. Please don’t take offense as none is intended. remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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Anyone know of a site with a Loon call .wav file on it?  We are looking for one to put on a new fly fishing site. Not .wav but I have had a *.au loon call at my fishing page for years. See:  http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~powlesla/personal/fishing/

Why on earth would anyone want a recorded Loon call?  I spent more weekends than I care to remember in the BWCA as a kid with my Dad getting eaten alive by blackflies, having to endure the never-ending Loon calls.   Oh the Loons were pretty cool for the first couple seasons, but after One swam by our tent one night, and cut loose about 30 feet from it.   That’ll turn you off to Loons in a real hurry, believe you me.  Right up there with seagulls (read: skyrats), Gray Jays, and whip-poor-wills. BTW:  I NEVER liked the Blackflies. </chaz

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My wife usually says…… =8^)

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Hi Group It seems like everytime I leave for a while my email gets messed up.  If any of you have tried to contact me in the last week, please do so again. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

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Hi Al — welcome home In light of some of the posts recently i have to start this with THIS IS A JOKE… but maybe nobody wanted to talk to you!!!!  ;) jg

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Anybody knows where to get good flyfishing oriented programs? Thanks

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Hi, My FlyFish software (DOS) can be downloaded from ftp.geo.mtu.edu by connecting in as anonymous, and changing directory to /pub/fishing/Software/dos. There are two files flyfish.txt and flyfish.exe, please read the flyfish.txt for installation instructions, one thing I forgot to mention was that it must be installed as a top level directory, preferably C: Have fun and let me know what you think, I am working on windows versions at the moment, Regards Chris Cox

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Anyone been to the South Platte lately?  Have any luck?  If so, what on, and how was it rigged?  Any ideas, advice or info on this river would be appreciated. You could see from my headers/.sig that I’m in Colorado, but I don’t get down to the Platte very much.

Mike. I’m disappointed.  You should have dropped me aline!  Anyway, the rivers up 130CFS, and fishing is quite good.  SJW’s, Miracle Nymphs, Brassies, and of course the ubiquitous Buckskin.  Get up here while the water’s still up, and you should get some fishing.  Also: small midge stuff(18-24) will work right now.  Canyons a zoo as always, best seems to be below Trumbull as far as Oxyoke.  Seen some guys below oxyoke but no clue to their success. Swayback Chaz

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: Anyone been to the South Platte lately?  Have any luck?  If so, what on, : and how was it rigged?  Any ideas, advice or info on this river would be : appreciated. : You could see from my headers/.sig that I’m in Colorado, but I don’t get down : to the Platte very much.         The best suggestion that  I could think of for the South Platte would be to get a copy of Roger Hill’s (I think that is his name) book "Flyfishing the South Platte".  It is a very well written book and goes through hatches, patterns, etc,etc…         I just started fishing (fly) about 6 months ago and have caught lots of fish down in Cheesman and Waterton Canyons…         A few brief words of advice from my box, never go down there without RS-2 (sz 18-22), something colorful like red disco midges (sz 20), san juan worms if the flow is high, and scuds.  There are lots of other nymphs that do real well down there also…         Good luck!!!!!

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: muskrat/copper. Terminal setup: 6′ braided butt to about 3X, then a 3.5′ 8X : tippet, BB shot about 10" up from the fly, indicator adj to depth. 8X ?!?!? You gotta be kidding me !  It must take you 30 minutes to land a 10 inch fish ?  These fish is gonna die my man… With a friendly tone, Tim Walker

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: : Anyone been to the South Platte lately?  Have any luck?  If so, what on, : : and how was it rigged?  Any ideas, advice or info on this river would be : : appreciated. The So. Platte from Cheesman down is (IMHO) a complete waste of time. It used to be wonderful.  Now the snobs line the banks and the fish themselves turn their noses up at your flies.  Why anyone would drive south from Ft. Collins is beyond me.  Go North my man.  Wyoming awaits you. But, if you go to the Platte, take along your 7X and your Orvis addition Jeep. Happy Holidays, Tim Walker

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone been to the South Platte lately?  Have any luck?  If so, what on, and how was it rigged?  Any ideas, advice or info on this river would be appreciated. You could see from my headers/.sig that I’m in Colorado, but I don’t get down to the Platte very much. Mike. I’m disappointed.  You should have dropped me aline!  Anyway, the rivers up 130CFS, and fishing is quite good.  SJW’s, Miracle Nymphs, Brassies, and of course the ubiquitous Buckskin.  Get up here while the water’s still up, and you should get some fishing.  Also: small midge stuff(18-24) will work right now.  Canyons a zoo as always, best seems to be below Trumbull as far as Oxyoke.  Seen some guys below oxyoke but no clue to their success. Swayback Chaz

Went last week and yesterday, fished Trumbull both times. The flow has been 130 for awhile now, but I can’t say the fishing’s been that good. Landed 4-5 fish each trip, all later in the day. Half on a #22 red midge larvae, half on #24 muskrat/copper. Terminal setup: 6′ braided butt to about 3X, then a 3.5′ 8X tippet, BB shot about 10" up from the fly, indicator adj to depth. Wouldn’t bother below Oxyoke, lots of ice. Probably frozen across around Night- hawk on down. — Dave Ridge Storage Technology Corp

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 The So. Platte from Cheesman down is (IMHO) a complete waste of time.  It used to be wonderful.  Now the snobs line the banks and the fish  themselves turn their noses up at your flies.  Why anyone would  drive south from Ft. Collins is beyond me.  Go North my man.  Wyoming  awaits you. I don’t know about snobs lining the banks, but the guides sure are since Spinney has fallen on hard times. However I don’t

know where one would find open water this time of year within a reasonable drive. Yours virtually, Gary W. Godden Denver, Colorado

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Anyone been to the South Platte lately?  Have any luck?  If so, what on, and how was it rigged?  Any ideas, advice or info on this river would be appreciated. You could see from my headers/.sig that I’m in Colorado, but I don’t get down to the Platte very much.

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