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…….no one in Roff knows me….

I do!  I do! Idiot. Wolfgang

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I’m going to give it a rest regarding Mike Connor as long as he discontinues the attacks and uncouth name calling. I have not, no matter what any bottom dweller in Roff would like to believe, started any of this pathetic nonsense.

The funniest thing I have heard in my 45 years… Paul

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"My E-mail is always open to everyone, but  E-mails are private things to be read in private" I’m a little confused?? Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick

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"My E-mail is always open to everyone, but  E-mails are private things to be read in private" I’m a little confused?? Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick

I know.  New Brunswick doesn’t have as much oxygen as the lower 48. Take deep breaths Lawrence. George Gehrke

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I’m going to give it a rest regarding Mike Connor as long as he discontinues the attacks and uncouth name calling. I have not, no matter what any bottom dweller in Roff would like to believe, started any of this pathetic nonsense. The funniest thing I have heard in my 45 years… Paul

SEE, Paul!  There you go again! George Gehrke "who ended this thread two posts ago"

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"My E-mail is always open to everyone, but  E-mails are private things to be read in private" I’m a little confused??

It’s very long, complicated, confusing, amazing, not a little amusing, sad, extraordinary……um ……and a whole bunch of other adjectives. The short version.  Mike asked George not to send him any more emails some time ago.  He made it quite clear that failure to comply with this request would result in the emails being posted to ROFF and the rest, as they say, is history.  Opinions vary on whether George is genuinely and thoroughly demented or merely genuinely demented but still sane enough to be responsible for his actions.  It should not prove difficult to determine who allies him(or her)self with which camp but, for the record, it don’t matter to me.    :) Wolfgang

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "My E-mail is always open to everyone, but  E-mails are private things to be read in private" I’m a little confused?? Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick I know.  New Brunswick doesn’t have as much oxygen as the lower 48. Take deep breaths Lawrence.

Ah, PERFECT timing!  You see what I mean, Lawrence?      :) Wolfgang p.s. shhhh!  don’t let on that you know that new brunswick isn’t a u.s.

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I just can’t contain myself any longer…. New Brunswick   1.. Abbr. NB or N.B. A province of eastern Canada on the Gulf of St. Lawrence. Part of French Acadia and then the province of Nova Scotia, it became a separate province in 1784 after an influx of Loyalists from the newly independent United States. New Brunswick joined Nova Scotia, Quebec, and Ontario to form the confederated Dominion of Canada in 1867. Fredericton is the capital and St. John the largest city. Population: 696,405.   2.. A landmass not owned and not part of the USA or any other country except for Canada. Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick Canada (I think)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "My E-mail is always open to everyone, but  E-mails are private things to be read in private" I’m a little confused?? Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick I know.  New Brunswick doesn’t have as much oxygen as the lower 48. Take deep breaths Lawrence. Ah, PERFECT timing!  You see what I mean, Lawrence?      :) Wolfgang p.s. shhhh!  don’t let on that you know that new brunswick isn’t a u.s.

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Spoil-sport! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just can’t contain myself any longer….   2.. A landmass not owned and not part of the USA or any other country except for Canada. Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick Canada (I think)

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I’, George here really hasn’t changed except Roff has.

        that is exactly right.  and that is because roff is darwinian, and is in the process of rejecting you.  the day will come, not that long from this day, that you will simply be a bad memory. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just can’t contain myself any longer…. New Brunswick   1.. Abbr. NB or N.B. A province of eastern Canada on the Gulf of St. Lawrence. Part of French Acadia and then the province of Nova Scotia, it became a separate province in 1784 after an influx of Loyalists from the newly independent United States. New Brunswick joined Nova Scotia, Quebec, and Ontario to form the confederated Dominion of Canada in 1867. Fredericton is the capital and St. John the largest city. Population: 696,405.   2.. A landmass not owned and not part of the USA or any other country except for Canada. Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick Canada (I think)

Uh oh!  Good God ya’ll, don’t just stand there!  Quick, what’s the number for 911?  Hurry, for pity’s sake, he’s swallowed a fuckin dictionary!     Wolfgang

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that is exactly right.  and that is because roff is darwinian, and is in the process of rejecting you.  the day will come, not that long from this day, that you will simply be a bad memory.

you’re such an appreciative and faithful friend. as i pointed  out in this thread.  crow begets crow.  now, if you only understood and was more responsible to yourself, perhaps your misguided ravings towards old friends would cease?  that is too much to expect from a raving raven, huh? bad memories indeed?  you have a lot of nerve to talk buster because if you’re anything, you’re not darwinian at all wayne.  I am but a mirror of yourself.  haven’t you got that figured out yet wayne? think man!  think. Your pal in the great northwest, George "who is being nice.  very nice"

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  The short version.  Mike asked George not to send him any more emails some time ago.  He made it quite clear that failure to comply with this request would result in the emails being posted to ROFF and the rest, as they say, is history.  Opinions vary on whether George is genuinely and thoroughly demented or merely genuinely demented but still sane enough to be responsible for his actions.  It should not prove difficult to determine who allies him(or her)self with which camp but, for the record, it don’t matter to me.    :) Wolfgang

Oh yes it does.   It matters a lot to you.  You live on misery Weirdwolf. George Gehrke had you figured out years ago You’re not a bad guy Wolfie, you’re just cofused about your importance in life.  Without others, you would have no identy in Roff. tilt* !

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Read the post and try for comprehension.  NORTH is UP.  It’s up Weirdwolf. UP, UP, UP on the map . . . dummy. George Gehrke wake up pal.  wake up.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "My E-mail is always open to everyone, but  E-mails are private things to be read in private" I’m a little confused?? Lawrence Manzer New Brunswick I know.  New Brunswick doesn’t have as much oxygen as the lower 48. Take deep breaths Lawrence. Ah, PERFECT timing!  You see what I mean, Lawrence?      :) Wolfgang p.s. shhhh!  don’t let on that you know that new brunswick isn’t a u.s.

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Read the post and try for comprehension.  NORTH is UP.  It’s up Weirdwolf. UP, UP, UP on the map . . . dummy. George Gehrke wake up pal.  wake up.

Er, ‘cuse me, von Wrongtoffen, but "north" ain’t "up," either on the map or otherwise.  And I have no idea what may be up "Weirdwolf," but it ain’t north, neither…yeah, you musta been one real serious asset to the Commies during that little to-do in Korea…heck they probably even have an "Order of National Flag" waitin’ for you, if only you could find your way there to collect it…yessir, I can see it now: Kim Chong-il and "P’yongyang Ginkles," whatta photo-op…maybe your buddy Ted could fly you and his ex over to relive your glory days…

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Read the post and try for comprehension.  NORTH is UP.  It’s up Weirdwolf. UP, UP, UP on the map . . . dummy. George Gehrke wake up pal.  wake up.

The ladies will, unfortunately (well, maybe it’s really fortunate when you think about it, but that’s another matter entirely), be unable to comprehend this on quite the visceral level that a man can, but ya know how ya cringe every time ya see some poor bastard get hit in the nuts on one of those funniest home video shows?  THAT’S what life is like for your would be supporters every time they see a post come up listing you as the author. Thanks. I KNEW I could count on you.      :) Idiot. Wolfgang

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I just can’t contain myself any longer…. New Brunswick   1.. Abbr. NB or N.B. A province of eastern Canada on the Gulf of St. Lawrence. Part of French Acadia and then the province of Nova Scotia, it became a separate province in 1784 after an influx of Loyalists from the newly independent United States. New Brunswick joined Nova Scotia, Quebec, and Ontario to form the confederated Dominion of Canada in 1867. Fredericton is the capital and St. John the largest city. Population: 696,405.   2.. A landmass not owned and not part of the USA or any other country except for Canada.

       3. A late model bowling ball.

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I have to admit, you got me on that one. Lawrence Manzer NB

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just can’t contain myself any longer…. New Brunswick   1.. Abbr. NB or N.B. A province of eastern Canada on the Gulf of St. Lawrence. Part of French Acadia and then the province of Nova Scotia, it became a separate province in 1784 after an influx of Loyalists from the newly independent United States. New Brunswick joined Nova Scotia, Quebec, and Ontario to form the confederated Dominion of Canada in 1867. Fredericton is the capital and St. John the largest city. Population: 696,405.   2.. A landmass not owned and not part of the USA or any other country except for Canada.        3. A late model bowling ball.

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Idiot. Wolfgang

Talking to yourself again Weirdwolf?  You’re not an idiot.  You are a protracted peace in a state of confusion.  Just remember, if you’re an idiot that makes you a genius.  That’s not so bad. George Gehrke "caring about you"

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I’m going to give it a rest regarding Mike Connor as long as he discontinues the attacks and uncouth name calling. I have not, no matter what any bottom dweller in Roff would like to believe, started any of this pathetic nonsense. I regard most in Roff as really neat people and as long as people are civil to me, I will always be respectful towards them.  My policy will continue to be that of condemning in private and praising in public.  If everyone in Roff would do the same and open their E-mail boxes like men, then I think it would be a step in the right direction for them to talk to each other in a manly and mature fashion. My E-mail is always open to everyone, but  E-mails are private things to be read in private and are not an open license to call others names or to demean them in private either. Men of logic use the best communication tools possible to get their points across.  The ability to tell a man to go to hell and make them look forward to the trip is known as "Rocky Mountain Diplomacy" which is something I hope to teach Wayne Harrison, given enough time . . . let’s say, five years? That aside, George here really hasn’t changed except Roff has.  When anyone dishes out nonsense, they should be able to eat a plate of raw crow in return.  Crow begot crow from this author.  At least, I’ve always tried to be civil but the next time anyone comes knocking on my door, the invite they receive will be an immediate reaction to the first words out of their mouths.  Come as a friend.  The rest of you who are not friends with anyone will find one here.  That anyone has so many friends they can’t use another needs thought on their part. Frankly, no one in Roff knows me.  I mean, no one.  Until you do or possibly fly fish with me as I guide you down the No Name River, it would be wise you reserve judgment. That said, all I can offer is that anyone who is man enough to step up to the plate and get ready for the first pitch. STRIKE ONE!  Oh?  You didn’t see that one, huh?  Okay, care to come inside and try some fly tying instead, (?) because you can’t hit for shit. George Gehrke "wisdom comes from a life-time of studying miles of rivers and seeing thousands of fly fishermen come and go.  Some of them you never forget because of their kindnesses and pleasant nature."  gg This is why I’m going to give it a rest. Back to fly fishing for me and my web site: http://www.gink.com

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Practical advice snipped… Patience, determination, something the rod can rest on and be turned (by hand or with a slow motor) while the wraps are being applied and while the epoxy dries.

For a "wrapping station," take a straight, flat piece of 1" x 4" to 8" X 4.5′ to 6.5′ (US meas.) board, plywood, MDF, etc, and cut two 6" or so pieces from one end, notch a "V" into one end of each piece, glue or tack (but if tacking, don’t put the tacks in the "V" but on the sides) a couple of layers of felt into the notches.  Attach these to the base board, in an upright position, with the "V" up and the point of the "V" aligned with the centerline of the base board, about 2 1/2′ apart  Take a bolt of sufficient length and diameter to hold your thread spools, but allow it to "free spool," 2 flat "fender"-style washers, and 6 wing nuts (4 to fasten the bolt to the brackets and 2, with the washers, to control tension on the spool), and a couple of "L" brackets, and attach as a thread holder at a mid-point between the two upright notched pieces on the long base board.and voila, a "wrapping station."  If the above doesn’t provide enough detail, or isn’t clear, and anyone wants more details, I’ll be happy to further describe. HTH, R

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There’s a message board at www.vfs.com that has a rodbuilding section.

See http://www.flyshop.com/centers/rodbuilding/ Has step by step instructions.  Good concise book is LA Garcia’s Handcrafting a Graphite Fly Rod.  Doesn’t really have much more info than the web site but has very good close-up photos.  Dale Clemens’ Advanced Custom Rod Building is the book you’ll want if you really start getting into rod-building. (some of what he says about his own products should be taken with a grain of salt). Good quality blank is a St. Croix SCIV.  If you build your own rods from premium blanks you can figure on saving 40% or so below the factory rod price (with the exception of Winston which sems to charge very high prices for its blanks in comparison with their finished rods). I’ve been pleased with Lamiglas rod blanks (www.anglersworkshop.com is a good place for these). A good value on blanks can often be found when a certain rod is being discontinued. St. Croix, Lamiglas and discontinued Sage blanks have all proven their worth in my experiences as a rod builder.  I did buy a Scott blank for full price.  Expensive but I really love that rod. www.hookhack.com www.anglersworkshop.com www.shofftackle.com www.feather-craft.com Good service all around but the first two are especially friendly and helpful.  I picked up a cosmetic-blem 8′ 4 pc 3 wt Lamiglas from anglersworkshop for $35.  Not even Cabelas can beat a price like that. Mu

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I’m a DIY’er.  Always have been.

me too The last time out on the river, < snipped for brevity—

I came to same conclusion fishing for little grayling and smaller trout-but I went with a 9′ – 4 weight    -what is included when one purchases a rod blank

just that- a blank- 2 piece, 3 piece, or whatever you order.    -what steps are involved in turning it into a rod

a.)spine the rod (i.e. find out what plane it wants to bend in- lots of discussion as to what side the guides go on- on the spine or opposite b.)fit the grip and epoxy it in place c.)fit the reel seat and epoxy it in place d) buff, file the guide feet to eliminate burrs that could damage the blank or create a "crack" in the thread wrap e.)determine the guide spacing and tape or temp wrap the guides in place f.)wrap the guides (do this well – a bad job and your rod works- but its ugly) g.)verify guide alignment and re-align if neeeded h.)verify guide alignment and re-align if neeeded i.)epoxy the wraps j) install tip top k)go fishing Check the VFS (virtual flyshop)- they have an excellent breakdown on the proceedure.  though it takes longer to read than to do it.    -what additional parts/supplies need to be purchased

If you buy a blank- you will need also to buy a tip top, guide set (most manufacturers will provide recommended guide spacing), hook keeper (optional), winding check (also optional) cork grip, reel seat  with spacer, rod winding thread, rod building epoxy for gluing the cork and reel seat in place, and rod wrap epoxy ( I use Flex Cote lite & I like it). Personally-for a first attempt I’d buy a kit- it comes with all of the above, Cabelas, hook and hackle, etc all offer beginner kits and some flexibility as to what blank you want to use.    -what tools/skills are needed

a magnifying light is helpful, some sort of device to cradle the rod while you turn the blank to wrap the threads ( look at various websites – its no prob to build these things- my first cradle was a bent up coat hanger- I built my latest contraption out of plywood with felt cushions)., something to tension the thread (many run the thread between the pages of the phone book and find that this adequately tensions the thread). You will need something to sand the inside of the cork handle to allow it to fit the but of the rod–I use sandpaper taped to a broken section of an old fly rod chucked into a cordless drill  (use garnet paper- not wet/dry–if the sandpaper comes off your mandrel inside the grip, garnet paper will fall apart if you hold it under the faucet- wet or dry just giggles-ask me how I know).  It is really nice to have a low rpm motor to turn the rod while you epoxy the wraps- it allows the epoxy to self level and keeps it from sagging.  I bought just the motor and made a cradle for the rod from cabelas.    -which particular blanks represent a good value

I’ve built a 2 St Croix rods (SCIII & SCIV), both 9′ 6 wts -I like them both- and I’ve built 2 GLoomis GL3 rods that I really like (9′ 4 wt and9′ 5wt). I am about to try a blank from hook and hackle 9′6 8wt Pointers to any printed material would be appreciated too.

print out the instructions from virtual fly shop- its all you need- cabelas kits also come with step by step instructions. I bough a 5.00 book at a local flyshop printed by Guidebrod (I think). Thanks! Bill Bill- its a fun project- not terribly difficult, and you can get a pretty good rod for some savings over a factory- but its yours, built to your specs- whatever grade of seat, guides , etc you want.  go for it. John

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    -what is included when one purchases a rod blank

The rod itself without tiptop, guides, thread, color protector, slow dry epoxy for wraps, cork grip, reel seat, quick dry epoxy (for grip, seat, tiptop). The blank price includes none of that stuff. I’m guessing that some blanks come with sock and tube, but only the high-end rods I believe. Otherwise you have to buy those yourself.     -what steps are involved in turning it into a rod

Assembling the stuff above.     -what additional parts/supplies need to be purchased

The stuff above.     -what tools/skills are needed

Patience, determination, something the rod can rest on and be turned (by hand or with a slow motor) while the wraps are being applied and while the epoxy dries.     -which particular blanks represent a good value

Compared to the cost of a new finished rod, all blanks are pretty much a good value if your time is worth nothing or if you enjoy DIY. If this is going to be a "keeper" rod, you might wanna go to a fly shop and find the best rod to meet your casting style and then order the blank. Closeout rod blanks (Sage SP and LL, for example) are especially a good deal but are sometimes hard to find. My opinion: if you’re gonna buy a no-name blank to save money I think you might as well just consider purchasing an already-finished Cabelas 7.5′ 4wt Stowaway or 3wt Three forks rod for much less money than you could build one. If you really wanna DIY, I’d recommend purchasing an inexpensive blank or even a kit for your first project and treat is as a potential throw-away. Learning how to get the wraps to look good isn’t rocket science but it does take a bit of practice. Pointers to any printed material would be appreciated too.

There’s a message board at www.vfs.com that has a rodbuilding section. Browse the archives and you’ll find way more than you need to know. Be extremely careful, though, because once you build one rod you’ll find that it’s *very, very* hard to stop HTH, –Steve

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Hi- I’m a DIY’er.  Always have been.  As I mentioned recently, I’ve begun tying my own flies, which I find enjoyable.  I like to tell myself that I do these things out of frugality, but I fear that it has more to do with a stubborn notion of "jeez, I’m *sure* I could do that just as well myself!"  Of course, I usually can’t, but I have a good time trying anyhow. The last time out on the river, while landing yet another 10" trout, I got to thinking that perhaps it might be more fun with a lighter weight rod.  I currently fish a 5 weight.  My fishing has yet to find me with any fish larger than 14" on the other end, and I think I’ve had one run line off the reel twice.  I’m thinking about a 3 weight, perhaps 7.5′.  I fish streams more frequently than rivers and normally am more concerned with casting the fly "right there" rather than "waaaay over there". That got me to looking through the catalogs, which, in turn, got me to thinking about rod blanks.  I’ve seen mention of these suckers here on ROFF, but am now more intrigued about what exactly is involved in turning one into a fishable rod. Could someone outline:     -what is included when one purchases a rod blank     -what steps are involved in turning it into a rod     -what additional parts/supplies need to be purchased     -what tools/skills are needed     -which particular blanks represent a good value Pointers to any printed material would be appreciated too. Thanks! Bill

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Hi- am now more intrigued about what exactly is involved in turning one into a fishable rod. Could someone outline:     -what is included when one purchases a rod blank

The blank.  The graphite and nothing but the graphite…. …unless you buy a rod building kit which usually includes all of the parts needed (guides, reel seat, grip, tip, etc).     -what steps are involved in turning it into a rod

It’s actually quite easy. – glue the reel seat on. – glue the cork grip on. – wrap all the guides on – varnish/epoxy the wraps – glue the tip on.     -what additional parts/supplies need to be purchased

All the stuff listed above if you don’t buy a kit. Epoxy and/or varnish, guides, reel seat, thread, cork grip, tip top, hook keeper     -what tools/skills are needed

No special skills are needed.  A rod turner is really handy to have for turning the rod while the guides are drying, but other than that nothing else is absolutely needed.     -which particular blanks represent a good value

Who knows, it’s pretty much up to your values. Try a bunch of finished rods and buy a blank of the rod you like.  Hook and Hackle has some inexpensive blanks, but who knows if you would like them. Have fun,      - Ken

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi- I’m a DIY’er.   That got me to looking through the catalogs, which, in turn, got me to thinking about rod blanks.  I’ve seen mention of these suckers here on ROFF, but am now more intrigued about what exactly is involved in turning one into a fishable rod. Could someone outline:    -what is included when one purchases a rod blank    -what steps are involved in turning it into a rod    -what additional parts/supplies need to be purchased    -what tools/skills are needed    -which particular blanks represent a good value Pointers to any printed material would be appreciated too.

I don’t say this to be rude or flippant, but mainly because you start off the post with the words "I’m a DIY’er." If you are like all DIY’ers I know, you are the type who not only learns "better" and faster by "tinkering" and doing, but enjoys the learning process more when doing that way.  If I’m incorrect about this, post as such, and I’ll offer more specific advice if I have any that seems helpful. That said, if I may:   There are numerous websites, a www.google.com search ought to keep you busy for weeks, and there are quite a few books out there as well, and of course, ROFF is a decent source.  Dale Clemens has a book, which IIRC, is called _Fiberglass Rod Making_ (I don’t have it handy at the moment).  I like his books, but some find them a bit too advanced (and some find it dated) – YMMV, of course.   As to the actual work, go get an assortment of REALLY used cheap rods (like the 1-5USD ones at charity stores, tag/garage sales, etc.) – fly rods, bait-casting rods, spinning rods, whatever.  Just try to get an assortment of types, and try to make sure most have cork handles. Condition, brand, etc. isn’t really important, even broken and incomplete rods are fine.  If you happen to stumble over something that might be a restorable "keeper," just put it away for now.  Once you have several "project rods," find a reference source you like, be it online, a book, or here, and start taking the rods apart, noting how they were assembled.  Then simply reverse the process, finishing the rods and learning while you go.   Use the worst of the bunch first, even broken rods, knowing full well they are simply learning projects.  You’ll likely have specific questions, and feel free to ask them on ROFF.  You’ll find lots of info here, some good, some not-so-good, and some, well, let’s just say it’s there. HTH?? R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks! Bill

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Hello Anglers, Will be in Yosemite for a few days and was wondering about fishing the lakes off Hwy 120 going east thru Tioga pass. Is fishing not allowed? Is it OK with barbless/artificial only? Is it catch & release? Do they plant any of these lakes with stupid DFG trout? What species of fish are in these lakes? Etc., etc. Appreciate any and all info. CP Note: I realize the Pass is closed due to rockslide! I also realize I could find this info somewhere if I really looked. But I’m looking for some first-hand knowledge/experience info.

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Tuolumne Meadows has a lake near it, and the fishing can be good with worms and the white wood worms.  Most of the lakes up near Tioga pass are sterile. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Anglers, Will be in Yosemite for a few days and was wondering about fishing the lakes off Hwy 120 going east thru Tioga pass. Is fishing not allowed? Is it OK with barbless/artificial only? Is it catch & release? Do they plant any of these lakes with stupid DFG trout? What species of fish are in these lakes? Etc., etc. Appreciate any and all info. CP Note: I realize the Pass is closed due to rockslide! I also realize I could find this info somewhere if I really looked. But I’m looking for some first-hand knowledge/experience info.

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Just got back from a ten day trip with my 9 year old son. Stopped off at saddlebag lake, 2 miles in from the Yosemite gate at Tioga pass. We took he boat in ,its a long and skinny lake, and planned to camp for the night. My son caught his first trout, a 14 inch rainbow, using a lure. At night, we used a fly and bubble on 4 pound test. Caught more fish than we could handle. When the boat came back the next morning to take us out, we decided to spend another night .Had another good day, nobody else camped there. Saw a few other hikers in the day but had the lake to ourselves all night. Saw no bears and had a wonderful time. Great place. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Anglers, Will be in Yosemite for a few days and was wondering about fishing the lakes off Hwy 120 going east thru Tioga pass. Is fishing not allowed? Is it OK with barbless/artificial only? Is it catch & release? Do they plant any of these lakes with stupid DFG trout? What species of fish are in these lakes? Etc., etc. Appreciate any and all info. CP Note: I realize the Pass is closed due to rockslide! I also realize I could find this info somewhere if I really looked. But I’m looking for some first-hand knowledge/experience info.

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<< How about some large, extended body mayflies like the Green Paradrake tied by Mike Lawson.  Other good patters would be trudes, Royal Humpy, Chernobyl Ant, Stimulators, Madame X, and those Turck Tarantulas are all pretty appealing to the eye.  Perhaps maybe something like a J.J.Special or Creature (as tied by Gary LaFontaine) would be good too. HTH. Warren Thank you, great suggestions.  I’ve got some Madame Xs going and a couple of Mouserat style things that make the Creature look kempt.  If I can set aside a little more time I’ll set up for extended body flys too. Thank you. Glenn GKT

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Can you name a few decent trout patterns that would catch the attention of fly fishers stopping to look at the flys we’re raffling?

I’m a sucker for hoppers, personally. Either that or adult damselflies. Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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<< Ernie Harrison"   << The Royal Coachman is an eye catcher. Ernie Good suggestion.  I’m out of practice so there’ll be some Bluegill specials as I warm up on the pattern. Thank you. Glenn GKT

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 Deer hair Mouse, stops a lot of folks, realistic ties…stones ,beetles ants make people stop and look. Big colorful streamers and a scantly clad lady should do the trick…

Reminds of some lures I had as a kid. Here’s one for you Ken, a budweiser can. Another was a topless mermaid. Willi

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A couple of "realistic" flies separately mounted on card invariably provoke some attention.  Relatively simple beetle patterns, with lifelike legs, "Daddy long legs" ( Crane fly, tipulidae ) with knotted pheasant tail legs, spiders  with knotted peacock herl for legs, and realistic looking ants, and similar stuff usually work quite well. They will also catch fish occasionally !!!

A realistic damselfly adult is an eye catcher, with its electric blue color and its large size for a fry fly. I also agree with Charlie that streamers are a good choice. I’d think a display of little rainbow, little brown, and little brook trout mounted side by side would get some attention. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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A set of Ghost patterns tied up big – some #4’s – ought to do it.  Definitely eye-catchers but they aren’t Silver Doctors to tie… /daytripper – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Royal Coachman is an eye catcher. Ernie So what would catch a newbie’s eye?  And not take the time required for a full dress salmon fly? Maybe some streamers; little rainbow, brown, etc.

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Some hopper paterns. Willi

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 Deer hair Mouse, stops a lot of folks, realistic ties…stones ,beetles ants make people stop and look. Big colorful streamers and a scantly clad lady should do the trick… Here’s my question: Can you name a few decent trout patterns that would catch the attention of fly fishers stopping to look at the flys we’re raffling?

         Harry Mason     www.Troutflies.com               *** "Quality Flies for a Trout’s Eyes"

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<< A realistic damselfly adult is an eye catcher, with its electric blue color and its large size for a fry fly. I also agree with Charlie that streamers are a good choice. I’d think a display of little rainbow, little brown, and little brook trout mounted side by side would get some attention.   <<  royalwulff Excellent advice.  Presentation is probably nearly as important as fly choice.  Thank you. Glenn GKT

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<< Deer hair Mouse, stops a lot of folks, realistic ties…stones ,beetles ants make people stop and look. Big colorful streamers and a scantly clad lady should do the trick…   << Harry Mason   Our TU VP is a lovely woman but I think I’ll skip asking her to disrobe. Other than that, I’m going to put in a couple of Chris Helms style mice.  I appreciate the suggestion. Thank you. Glenn GKT

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Can you name a few decent trout patterns that would catch the attention of fly fishers stopping to look at the flys we’re raffling?

Lots of good suggestions so far.  Streamers, in general, tend to be real eye catchers both because of their size and because they are often flashy attractors.  Hornbergs and Mickey Finns are both easy ties and eye catching, I think. Wolfgang

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<< Lots of good suggestions so far.  Streamers, in general, tend to be real eye catchers both because of their size and because they are often flashy attractors.  Hornbergs and Mickey Finns are both easy ties and eye catching, I think. Wolfgang Thank you.  I thought of a Mickey Finn color pattern in a Hi-Ti style.  It’s a little time consuming and probably no more eye catching than a standard streamer. Glenn GKT

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Use a Bee pattern.  The McGinty Bee attracts women who know nothing about fishing.  They all relate to it.  Many of the others just confuse them. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m tying for our local TU chapter’s raffle at the Somerset, NJ fly fishing show in January. We raffle off 500 or so flys in a a large wooden box.   I’ve done about 240 flys, at 6 specimens per type.  Since it takes me a few warm-up tries to get a decent fly with patterns I know well, and 50 tries on new patterns, I’ve also accumulated a pile of junk flies with which to go panfishing.  And I’m running out of inventiveness. Here’s my question: Can you name a few decent trout patterns that would catch the attention of fly fishers stopping to look at the flys we’re raffling? I put in some woven stones, I’ll do some woven Isonychia nymphs on swimming nymph hooks later today, and I have plenty of small spun deer hair items like Goddard Caddis and mini-Muddlers.  The other tyers and I have done plenty of flys that are actually useful, like BWO, GRHE, and Adams, but those are small and have to be examined closely. So what would catch a newbie’s eye?  And not take the time required for a full dress salmon fly? Thanks for the suggestions. Glenn GKT GKT

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Glenn, How about some large, extended body mayflies like the Green Paradrake tied by Mike Lawson.  Other good patters would be trudes, Royal Humpy, Chernobyl Ant, Stimulators, Madame X, and those Turck Tarantulas are all pretty appealing to the eye.  Perhaps maybe something like a J.J. Special or Creature (as tied by Gary LaFontaine) would be good too. HTH. Warren – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m tying for our local TU chapter’s raffle at the Somerset, NJ fly fishing show in January. We raffle off 500 or so flys in a a large wooden box.   I’ve done about 240 flys, at 6 specimens per type.  Since it takes me a few warm-up tries to get a decent fly with patterns I know well, and 50 tries on new patterns, I’ve also accumulated a pile of junk flies with which to go panfishing.  And I’m running out of inventiveness. Here’s my question: Can you name a few decent trout patterns that would catch the attention of fly fishers stopping to look at the flys we’re raffling? I put in some woven stones, I’ll do some woven Isonychia nymphs on swimming nymph hooks later today, and I have plenty of small spun deer hair items like Goddard Caddis and mini-Muddlers.  The other tyers and I have done plenty of flys that are actually useful, like BWO, GRHE, and Adams, but those are small and have to be examined closely. So what would catch a newbie’s eye?  And not take the time required for a full dress salmon fly? Thanks for the suggestions. Glenn GKT GKT

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I tied a deer hair mouse once.  It was very realistic looking.  I never did fish with it, figured it was too much work to give to a fish.  Don’t know what happened to it. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Deer hair Mouse, stops a lot of folks, realistic ties…stones ,beetles ants make people stop and look. Big colorful streamers and a scantly clad lady should do the trick… Harry Mason

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<< A couple of "realistic" flies separately mounted on card invariably provoke some attention.  Relatively simple beetle patterns, with lifelike legs, "Daddy long legs" ( Crane fly, tipulidae ) with knotted pheasant tail legs, spiders  with knotted peacock herl for legs, and realistic looking ants, and similar stuff usually work quite well. They will also catch fish occasionally !!! << Mike Connor Good advice.  I was thinking of a Crane fly imitation like a Drowned Daddy. Thank you. Glenn Tippy GKT

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The Royal Coachman is an eye catcher. Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what would catch a newbie’s eye?  And not take the time required for a full dress salmon fly? Maybe some streamers; little rainbow, brown, etc. — Charlie…

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I’m tying for our local TU chapter’s raffle at the Somerset, NJ fly fishing show in January.   We raffle off 500 or so flys in a a large wooden box.   I’ve done about 240 flys, at 6 specimens per type.  Since it takes me a few warm-up tries to get a decent fly with patterns I know well, and 50 tries on new patterns, I’ve also accumulated a pile of junk flies with which to go panfishing.  And I’m running out of inventiveness. Here’s my question: Can you name a few decent trout patterns that would catch the attention of fly fishers stopping to look at the flys we’re raffling? I put in some woven stones, I’ll do some woven Isonychia nymphs on swimming nymph hooks later today, and I have plenty of small spun deer hair items like Goddard Caddis and mini-Muddlers.  The other tyers and I have done plenty of flys that are actually useful, like BWO, GRHE, and Adams, but those are small and have to be examined closely. So what would catch a newbie’s eye?  And not take the time required for a full dress salmon fly? Thanks for the suggestions. Glenn GKT GKT

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So what would catch a newbie’s eye?  And not take the time required for a full dress salmon fly?

Maybe some streamers; little rainbow, brown, etc. — Charlie…

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So what would catch a newbie’s eye?  And not take the time required for a full dress salmon fly?

Personally, I’ve always remember liking the looks of a Royal Trude.

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A couple of "realistic" flies separately mounted on card invariably provoke some attention.  Relatively simple beetle patterns, with lifelike legs, "Daddy long legs" ( Crane fly, tipulidae ) with knotted pheasant tail legs, spiders  with knotted peacock herl for legs, and realistic looking ants, and similar stuff usually work quite well. They will also catch fish occasionally !!! TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m tying for our local TU chapter’s raffle at the Somerset, NJ fly fishing show in January.

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Please, The nickname is the only REQUIRED field (Which can be anything you want).  The rest of the fields are for Identification only and only if you WANT to put them in there. I hate spammers as much as the next guy and report every instance of unsolicited e-mail I receive. Hope this clears this up David. Rob Perry Michigan Ultralight Assoc. Webmaster – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a great chat room already setup just for ultralight aviators at http://mula.perrydice.com/chat.htm . Rob Perry Michigan Ultralight Assoc. Webmaster Why do you want real names and e-mail addresses? Why not just a nick? Do I smell spam? Regards, DAO

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Message boards are great but, I think a chat room for UL flyers would be a great help, and fun. What do you think? There is a chat room for "Hunting and Fishing" why not UL’s? George

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There is a great chat room already setup just for ultralight aviators at http://mula.perrydice.com/chat.htm . Rob Perry Michigan Ultralight Assoc. Webmaster

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Message boards are great but, I think a chat room for UL flyers would be a great help, and fun. What do you think? There is a chat room for "Hunting and Fishing" why not UL’s? George

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Try this link. It’s Java type chat but there is also access using an IRC chat program. Seems like Wednesday and Thursday evenings are popular. Last time I was there I counted about 10 ultralighters chatting. http://www.mgge-inc.com/fly-ul/ — Brad Blackburn (replace "spur" with "net" to reply) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Message boards are great but, I think a chat room for UL flyers would be a great help, and fun. What do you think? There is a chat room for "Hunting and Fishing" why not UL’s? George

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Only good if your browser is java equipped

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Right!  Sorry, I shoulda mentioned that. Rob Perry Michigan Ultralight Assoc. Webmaster     Only good if your browser is java equipped

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Thanks, I don’t have Java. Maybe I need to upgrade. George

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there is http://ul-flyer.com/ewchat.html walt

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Message boards are great but, I think a chat room for UL flyers would be a great help, and fun. What do you think? There is a chat room for "Hunting and Fishing" why not UL’s? George

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There is a great chat room already setup just for ultralight aviators at http://mula.perrydice.com/chat.htm . Rob Perry Michigan Ultralight Assoc. Webmaster

Why do you want real names and e-mail addresses? Why not just a nick? Do I smell spam? Regards, DAO

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The only question I can answer for you involves your sea-run cutt question.  I fish for sea runs and coastal cutts here in Western Washington, muddlers  and buggers do work fairly well, but then again they work well on all trout. Some sea run and coastal cutt streamer patterns I enjoy are; Knudsens Spider in yellow or orange, The Spruce Fly, The Alexandria, and according to a book I own there is a cutt pattern for Oregon rivers called the Purple Joe(tail; scarlet hackle fibres; butt; hot orange floss; body purple chenile; hackle; badger hen; wing; 4 badger hackles.) All of the streamer patterns should be tied in sizes 4-10. I have found that sea runs like bright colors like steelhead patterns, just in smaller sizes.  My favorite colors for cutts are yellow, orange, and red. Depending on how far you are from the coast also can impact what flies to use. The further upstream you are the likely the fish will have keyed onto nymphs and dries. I have found the most success with elk hair caddis patterns by fishing them upstream as a dry, and then either waking the fly over the hole or sinking and swinging the fly through the hole like a wet.  Believe it or not but I have caught a lot of fish on the swing and by bringing a sunken elk hair back for another cast with quick six inch strips. One last bit of info regarding buggers and muddlers, I have had the best luck with yellow wooly worms with red tails. Any other questions please feel free to e-mail me with them. Good Luck, Keith

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Hey, folks.  I’m going back home to Oregon for a few weeks this month, and after a few days on the Deschutes I was planning on fishing the Fall River for a day and then looking for some sea-run cutt’s over on the coast, probably the Trask.  I’d take my eight-weight and go back to the Deschutes, but my time late in the visit is going to be very constrained. Any info on how the Fall has been fishing?  I’ll be there around the 16th or 17th.   Also, I have had very little experience (and less success) fishing coastal streams for cutt’s.  I’m told buggers and muddlers, in muted tones, are good.  Any other suggestions? TIA, David Brande

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This is true.  Bass are funny like that.  My youngest son and I were out on a lake one morning when It was drizzling rain.  We couldn’t keep fish off our baits.  I even had one hit a plug floating on the surface while I was trying to unhook Brian’s fish.  We caught 21 that morning.  Best day ever for bass. -Burton

Did YOU read the subject line before posting? MikeH

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: The absolute worst time to fish is when a low pressure front is passing : through.  Changes in the barometric pressure affect all kinds of fish.  Their : balance system gets screwed up and they like to hold tight to cover and not : move.  Bass seem to bite better on cloudy days, but I’ve had no problems Sometimes it depends on intensity. One of the most memorable days I’ve had fishing came fishing for bass in Ohio. I was by myself in my 12′ canoe, and the morning was slow, but started to pick up. Then a front began closing in — the biggest, darkest, most defined storm front I’ve ever seen. I half expected a tornado to spawn, and had I been farther in the midwest it probably would have been certain. But the 1.5 hours before I got drenched was incredible. The bass were slamming my buzzbait so hard…not a single short strike…and they’d come leaping out 2, 3 times. It was great. In the end, I had "only" 7 hookups — but this was a C+K public lake (not even slot limits), and normally I’d have to work hard to catch one keeper sized bass all morning. But I remember each one, and I wouldn’t want to have caught any more. Since then, I’ve never been fortunate enough to be out fishing when a front like that has passed through. But I’m waiting. JonCook.

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Then a front began closing in — the biggest, darkest, most defined storm front I’ve ever seen. I half expected a tornado to spawn, and had I been farther in the midwest it probably would have been certain. But the 1.5 hours before I got drenched was incredible. The bass were slamming my buzzbait so hard…not a single short strike…and they’d

This is true.  Bass are funny like that.  My youngest son and I were out on a lake one morning when It was drizzling rain.  We couldn’t keep fish off our baits.  I even had one hit a plug floating on the surface while I was trying to unhook Brian’s fish.  We caught 21 that morning.  Best day ever for bass. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley         2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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The absolute worst time to fish is when a low pressure front is passing through. snip… Well here in Minnesota, the walleye fishermen jump up and down when a low pressure system is passing through.  Lots of wind and clouds make for a good walleye Also see my post to Fishing for Quality.  I had my best day last year during a rain storm if that means anything. Anyway, for me a good day fishing beats most anything. Mike HDid you read the subject line before making this post?

-Burton — L. Burton Hawley           2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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The absolute worst time to fish is when a low pressure front is passing through. snip…

Well here in Minnesota, the walleye fishermen jump up and down when a low pressure system is passing through.  Lots of wind and clouds make for a good walleye bite.  Also, as a muskie fishermen I would fish in a hurricane if we had ‘em.  Instead I’d fish in snow storms in November and have the best muskie fishing of the year. Also see my post to Fishing for Quality.  I had my best day last year during a rain storm if that means anything. Anyway, for me a good day fishing beats most anything. Mike H

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A little ryme I heard a long time ago goes:    Wind from the East, fishing is least.    Wind from the West, fishing is best.    Wind from the North, don’t salley forth. Don’t remember if there was one about the South!

But when the wind is from the South, It blows the fly to the fish’s mouth. A northeast wind is bad news around here. Woods Hole, MA   USA

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the whole river seems dead. Are there any known environmental effects on trout feeding?  What conditions should one try to seek or avoid. The only advice I’ve heard is that cloudy days are better than sunny days. The absolute worst time to fish is when a low pressure front is passing through.  Changes in the barometric pressure affect all kinds of fish.  Their balance system gets screwed up and they like to hold tight to cover and not move.  Bass seem to bite better on cloudy days, but I’ve had no problems catching trout in all kinds of weather in a variety of temps.  I have also had trouble catching fish on very windy days (although that might have been a low pressure front moving now that I think about it). A little ryme I heard a long time ago goes:         Wind from the East, fishing is least.         Wind from the West, fishing is best.         Wind from the North, don’t salley forth. Don’t remember if there was one about the South! Tight Lines, -Burton

Wind or naught, don’t sit there and rot. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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the whole river seems dead. Are there any known environmental effects on trout feeding?  What conditions should one try to seek or avoid. The only advice I’ve heard is that cloudy days are better than sunny days.

The absolute worst time to fish is when a low pressure front is passing through.  Changes in the barometric pressure affect all kinds of fish.  Their balance system gets screwed up and they like to hold tight to cover and not move.  Bass seem to bite better on cloudy days, but I’ve had no problems catching trout in all kinds of weather in a variety of temps.  I have also had trouble catching fish on very windy days (although that might have been a low pressure front moving now that I think about it). A little ryme I heard a long time ago goes:         Wind from the East, fishing is least.         Wind from the West, fishing is best.         Wind from the North, don’t salley forth. Don’t remember if there was one about the South! Tight Lines, -Burton — L. Burton Hawley           2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR          "Those children that you spit on           as they try to change their worlds,           are immune to your consultations,           and quite aware of what they are going through."      "Changes"      David Bowie

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: for the amount used the sg doesn’t count. Isn’t it more fun fishing than : being scientific? Keep em dry, Ummm…. not always.  But then I’m a geek. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Question for Mr "Gink":  Is there any reason (physical, not political) that I shouldn’t use Gink as a fly-line dressing?  Will it corode the line? — -Wayne Trzyna

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Gink keeps it up! I’ll have to remember that next time I pay a visit to Cottonwood ranch.

Aha!  We’ve discovered the secret ingrediant:  KY Jelly. — -Wayne Trzyna

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: : GINK…has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water. : : FYI, pure fresh water has a specific gravity of 1.00, and sea water : averages 1.025. Now the question everyone is, What’s the specific : gravity of Albolene? : — : Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler : TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 : 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA Gary, Hi,    I don’t think it matters. It works well. A drawback, if any, may be the low liquification temperature. I noticed yesterday that at body temperature, 98.6 deg F, it was a thin film not solid as it comes from the container. I guess the other floatants (like Al Beatty has) have higher melting/liquification temperatures.    One thing for sure is that water doesn’t like it, which is the property that makes flies float. Keep em dry, Bob — lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

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GINK…has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water. FYI, pure fresh water has a specific gravity of 1.00, and sea water averages 1.025. But the question everyone wants answered is, What’s the chemical difference between Gink and albolene? — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

As different as a model A Ford is to a Jet Fighter.  If I wanted to be spilling out my guts regarding what my life’s work is all about I’d done it years ago but the secret formulations of GINK is patented and has nothing to do with whatever else you believe works.  What GINK is:  Its a dry fly dressing invented by a fly fishermen for fly fishermen. Remember, all other dry fly dressings and/or sinks are PLAGARIZED products from other industrial sources which are then forced onto the fishing establishment as working enities.  ALL MY PRODUCTS are original inventions Mr. Soucie.  If you want to use silicone, soaps, bear or goose grease dissolved with carbontetroclorhide and ruin your heart, or if you want to use perfumed cosmetics which you’re proposing and call it romancing the fly . . . be our guest. The differences are very great.  Gink is gink and it is MUCH, much better than old, obsolete albolene.  Albo absorbs tremendous amouts of water, its viscosity is wrong and its used to remove makeup from actor’s faces (primarily)  What albo is not, it is not a dry fly dressing.  At least not anywhere as great as GEHRKE’S GINK is.  And frankly Mr Soucie, nothing else in the world is either. Gink keeps it up. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink

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I plopped my trusty hydrometer into my tub of Albolene and it just layed there. Any chemists out there that can tell me what I’m doing wrong? John Nesselrode Shawnee, KS

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I soak my dries in a "permanent" treatment right after I tie them.  Stuff is called Fly Dry or something like that; probably Scotchgard.  Works pretty well.  If they start to sink, a few false casts solve the problem.  If they get slimed, dry floatant gets ‘em up again.  Not as permanent as the manufacturer suggests, but still a lot easier than dealing with floatant paste on a cold morning.   Haven’t used Gink.  Probably a fine product, but I’m wary of liquid floatants, given their tendency to leak in the vest pocket. Charlie Quinton

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Gink keeps it up! Aha!  We’ve discovered the secret ingrediant:  KY Jelly. — -Wayne Trzyna

No, no, Wayne.  You’re mistaken.  K-Y jelly gets it IN!  Keeping it in and UP is another question.  Not sure about Gink in that regard, but I’ve found that a couple of belts of sour mash pretty makes it hard (difficult?) to get down. Stan

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: :   I read this to say that Gink is roughly 3/4’s  the "density" of : water. Which make it lighter than water, therefore it floats. (FYI) : :         Yes, if Gink has a specific gravity of 0.78 it ought to float flies : very well. It seems strange, though, that Mr. Gink doesn’t know how his : conconcoction’s specific gravity compares to that of water. :         I don’t even know what Albolene is, but the name keeps popping up on : the thread. A simple, "Gink is not Albolene, Albolene is not Gink," This is good stuff. What if these products _are_ heaver than water, but their properties are such that they easily coat the hackel and hair fibers such the total weight is only increased a miniscual amount. The fact that good H2O doesnt like this material causes them to float really well (and for some time). Some guides I’ve talked to use Albolene and they say it works well. Heck, for the amount used the sg doesn’t count. Isn’t it more fun fishing than being scientific? Keep em dry, Bob — lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

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GINK…has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water. FYI, pure fresh water has a specific gravity of 1.00, and sea water averages 1.025. Now the question everyone is, What’s the specific gravity of Albolene? — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

  I read this to say that Gink is roughly 3/4’s  the "density" of water. Which make it lighter than water, therefore it floats. (FYI)   Harry

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  I read this to say that Gink is roughly 3/4’s  the "density" of water. Which make it lighter than water, therefore it floats. (FYI)

        Yes, if Gink has a specific gravity of 0.78 it ought to float flies very well. It seems strange, though, that Mr. Gink doesn’t know how his conconcoction’s specific gravity compares to that of water.         I don’t even know what Albolene is, but the name keeps popping up on the thread. A simple, "Gink is not Albolene, Albolene is not Gink," would have sufficed, but instead Mr. Gink went into one of his patented rages. He’s certainly a poor spokesman for his product. — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

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   Yes, if Gink has a specific gravity of 0.78 it ought to float flies very well. It seems strange, though, that Mr. Gink doesn’t know how his conconcoction’s specific gravity compares to that of water.

I think he said Gink has a specific gravity of .78 _compared_ to water (which is 1.00 as you point out). The english language is often imprecise. FWIW. Charlie…

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: : : : Gink keeps it up. : : George Gehrke/Mr. Gink Ok Dr George, but don’t flash it. Just let it float. Keep em dry, Bob (tryin to beat T-Bone to the floatant) — lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

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snip BTW, I raised Tim’s issue over a year ago without a nibble. How come we don’t worry about all the floatant in the water?

Rick, At this point I think we’d be doing more worrying than fishing. Ross Wilson

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – GINK…has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water. FYI, pure fresh water has a specific gravity of 1.00, and sea water averages 1.025. But the question everyone wants answered is, What’s the chemical difference between Gink and albolene? — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA As different as a model A Ford is to a Jet Fighter.  If I wanted to be spilling out my guts regarding what my life’s work is all about I’d done it years ago but the secret formulations of GINK is patented and has nothing to do with whatever else you believe works.  What GINK is:  Its a dry fly dressing invented by a fly fishermen for fly fishermen. Remember, all other dry fly dressings and/or sinks are PLAGARIZED products from other industrial sources which are then forced onto the fishing establishment as working enities.  ALL MY PRODUCTS are original inventions Mr. Soucie.  If you want to use silicone, soaps, bear or goose grease dissolved with carbontetroclorhide and ruin your heart, or if you want to use perfumed cosmetics which you’re proposing and call it romancing the fly . . . be our guest. The differences are very great.  Gink is gink and it is MUCH, much better than old, obsolete albolene.  Albo absorbs tremendous amouts of water, its viscosity is wrong and its used to remove makeup from actor’s faces (primarily)  What albo is not, it is not a dry fly dressing.  At least not anywhere as great as GEHRKE’S GINK is.  And frankly Mr Soucie, nothing else in the world is either. Gink keeps it up. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink

That’s atellin’ ‘em George. Les

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GINK…has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water.

FYI, pure fresh water has a specific gravity of 1.00, and sea water averages 1.025. Now the question everyone is, What’s the specific gravity of albolene? — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

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GINK…has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water.

FYI, pure fresh water has a specific gravity of 1.00, and sea water averages 1.025. Now the question everyone is, What’s the specific gravity of Albolene? — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

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GINK…has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water.

FYI, pure fresh water has a specific gravity of 1.00, and sea water averages 1.025. But the question everyone wants answered is, What’s the chemical difference between Gink and albolene? — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

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world’s first COMMERCIAL dry fly dressing to float a fly for more than one float.  In fact, it does it better even today than any other dressing in the world and will usually float a dry fly until the owner changes it or loses it . . . more often than not. The main point is, it works!  It works better than any other competitor’s efforts i the entire world.

Does anyone have the article someone posted awhile back which compared several different brands of floatants?   And that . . . in itself, is another story I might tell one day.  How it all came about.

I, for one, would be interested in hearing it.  For one thing, I’d like to know why it’s called "Gink". Gink keeps it up!

I’ll have to remember that next time I pay a visit to Cottonwood ranch. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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It’s probably the same stuff as any other fly floatant.  I’m sure I’ll be corrected if I’m wrong, but I believe the reason floatant works is becasue it keeps the water off the fly… and anything that does that will gum up a gill, too.  BTW, I raised Tim’s issue over a year ago without a nibble. How come we don’t worry about all the floatant in the water?

Maybe environmental authorities would if they actually had people that fished. Coast Guard regulations require the reporting of a "visible sheen" on the water.  Some states’ environmental release reporting statutes and regulations prohibit, or require reporting of, any release, no matter what the quantity, of a listed hazardous substance to the environment.  Remember that post about not seeing game wardens?  Wait until the Coast Guard hands you a citation for the sheen coming from that floating fly on the end of your line and the state wants $10,000 a day for the failure to report the same "release".  Hope this doesn’t start Timbo on a new catch and "release" post fest! Musconet

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: the fly for long on the stream.  I’ve tried adding a little : silicon high-vacuum grease.  This stuff is less soluble, but much : tackier.  I find this a good way of floatin flies such as Letort : hoppers which are hard to gink properly by hand.  Overall rating: : 7 out of 10. : Isn’t this stuff, like, toxic to fish ? It’s probably the same stuff as any other fly floatant.  I’m sure I’ll be corrected if I’m wrong, but I believe the reason floatant works is becasue it keeps the water off the fly… and anything that does that will gum up a gill, too.  BTW, I raised Tim’s issue over a year ago without a nibble. How come we don’t worry about all the floatant in the water? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : the fly for long on the stream.  I’ve tried adding a little : silicon high-vacuum grease.  This stuff is less soluble, but much : tackier.  I find this a good way of floatin flies such as Letort : hoppers which are hard to gink properly by hand.  Overall rating: : 7 out of 10. : Isn’t this stuff, like, toxic to fish ? It’s probably the same stuff as any other fly floatant.  I’m sure I’ll be corrected if I’m wrong, but I believe the reason floatant works is becasue it keeps the water off the fly… and anything that does that will gum up a gill, too.  BTW, I raised Tim’s issue over a year ago without a nibble. How come we don’t worry about all the floatant in the water? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

SILICONE based dressings (plagarized products from another industrial source) absorb 10% of their weight in water.  (Also they are very dirt gathering prone).  This is why you do not want to use silicone based dry fly dressings. Hope this helps answer your problems about silicone dressings. Lastly, hollow deer haired flies such as hoppers, etc. a trimmed with sissors and the hollowed hair will suck in water if you do not dress the head liberally with Gink.  Why GINK is better in this area is because it has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water.  Which means, it floats all by itself.  Rick Fletcher is absolutely correct in that GINK keeps water from the tying material, making them basically impervious to the entry of water while adding a high degree of floatability.  This is only one reason why GINK is the World’s Number One Dry Fly dressing. That aside, from ginking flies to tying them, Gehrke’s Gink is the world’s first COMMERCIAL dry fly dressing to float a fly for more than one float.  In fact, it does it better even today than any other dressing in the world and will usually float a dry fly until the owner changes it or loses it . . . more often than not. The main point is, it works!  It works better than any other competitor’s efforts i the entire world. And that . . . in itself, is another story I might tell one day.  How it all came about. Gink keeps it up! George/Mr. Gink I would never break the romance of two lovers.  The fly that is dressed well who are in need of keeping a date with a fish. No more. No less. gg/;)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Dear All: : I have access to some silicon oil.  Do you think I should try this on my : flies?  It is reagent grade stuff.  I’m not sure what I should cut it : with, as it is far too concentrated to use on an individual fly.  It : should work though.  Gink is essentially the same stuff but in a low : melting base. : JB I’ve tried using silicon oil on my flies.  I cut the oil about 1:10 with hexanes and dipped the flies in.  Unfortunately, I’ve found that the finished products is too thin and doesn’t protect the fly for long on the stream.  I’ve tried adding a little silicon high-vacuum grease.  This stuff is less soluble, but much tackier.  I find this a good way of floatin flies such as Letort hoppers which are hard to gink properly by hand.  Overall rating: 7 out of 10.

Isn’t this stuff, like, toxic to fish ? TimW

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Dear All: I have access to some silicon oil.  Do you think I should try this on my flies?  It is reagent grade stuff.  I’m not sure what I should cut it with, as it is far too concentrated to use on an individual fly.  It should work though.  Gink is essentially the same stuff but in a low melting base. JB

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: Dear All: : I have access to some silicon oil.  Do you think I should try this on my : flies?  It is reagent grade stuff.  I’m not sure what I should cut it : with, as it is far too concentrated to use on an individual fly.  It : should work though.  Gink is essentially the same stuff but in a low : melting base. : JB I’ve tried using silicon oil on my flies.  I cut the oil about 1:10 with hexanes and dipped the flies in.  Unfortunately, I’ve found that the finished products is too thin and doesn’t protect the fly for long on the stream.  I’ve tried adding a little silicon high-vacuum grease.  This stuff is less soluble, but much tackier.  I find this a good way of floatin flies such as Letort hoppers which are hard to gink properly by hand.  Overall rating: 7 out of 10. Pete

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I just saw this TERRIBLE bumper sticker on the back of a pickup:         It’s Not How Deep You Fish         It’s How You Wiggle Your Worm Ain’t that sad? And theres another just like it at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/moffet/bsotd.htm

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I just saw this TERRIBLE bumper sticker on the back of a pickup:         It’s Not How Deep You Fish         It’s How You Wiggle Your Worm Ain’t that sad? And theres another just like it at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/moffet/bsotd.htm

Somehow I don’t think that’s REALLY related to fishing… Saw a GREAT bumper sticker today myself… wanna send one to all the PETApeople: "I LOVE ANIMALS!      They’re delicious!" — Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |    TesserAct Studios  ()X  Darwin (;        Now on the Web at      |   Fairfield, OH 45018  //~~~LL~~~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 |  New Dimensions In Filk!

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I live with fear and danger every day. Sometimes I take her flyfishing. TimW

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I just saw this TERRIBLE bumper sticker on the back of a pickup:         It’s Not How Deep You Fish         It’s How You Wiggle Your Worm Ain’t that sad? And theres another just like it at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/moffet/bsotd.htm Somehow I don’t think that’s REALLY related to fishing… Saw a GREAT bumper sticker today myself… wanna send one to all the PETApeople: "I LOVE ANIMALS!      They’re delicious!" —

Saw one myself: I’m not a vegetarian because I love animals…I just HATE plants.

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If it’s tourist season, how come I can’t shoot one? Charley

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My friend Larry, with whom I’ve been fishing since early high school (circa 1969) called me the other day…. Larry: "Did you hear the Michigan Militia declared a no-fly zone North of Saginaw?" Me: "Oh…?" Larry: "Yeah, it’s worm only." Well, maybe you had to be there. –mike

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Planning trip to Clark’s Fork of the Yellowstone this summer and would like to read some about the area before the trip.  Could anyone suggest some good reading material on the subject?  I’ve heard of a book called "The Most Complete Guide to Wyoming Fisheries"  has anyone read this book?  Is it good?  Where can I get a copy?

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Planning trip to Clark’s Fork of the Yellowstone this summer and would like to read some about the area before the trip.  

I’ve seen quite a flurry of posts regarding the Clark’s Fork of the Yellowstone recently. I’m surprised. The Clark’s Fork is an incredibly beautifull valley, and the elk hunting there is as good as it gets. The fishing is good too, for large numbers of small trout. The growing season is too short, the water too fast and too cold to support any big ones.    The lower end of the river runs thru is an impenetrable canyon, with 1000′ verticle rock walls, accessible only to the most lunatic kayakers who literally use petons and caribeeners to portage several impossible falls. There are some good Rainbows in several canyon pools. The problem is getting there. Higher up, from Crandal creek upstream to Cooke City, there are few fish over 12" long…although lots of them that small and smaller. —

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