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Shanghai– A fishing-village-turned metropolis, Shanghai offers one of the best examples where the east meets the west, the Chinese meets the foreign, and the traditional meets the modern. The city equals many of the world’s metropolises in terms of the pace of life and the speed of change. A Los Angeles Times report in Sept.2001 says that, attracted by Shanghai’s glitz, more than 300,000 Taiwanese, mostly businesspeople, have settled down in the city in recent years. Chongqing– The Red Star Pavilion in the Pipasha Park, the Kansheng Pavilion in the Eling Park, and a place called Yikeshu on the Nanshan Mountain are vintage points for observing the nocturnal scenes of the mountain city of Chongqing. At night the entire city is inundated in an ocean of lights, which form a colorful three-dimensional painting, with waves of the Yangtze and Jialing rivers glistening against the moonlit, star spangled sky. Wuhan– Wuhan is described as the "Homeland of White Clouds and Yellow Crane" The Yangtze River and the Han River join here,dividing the city into three towns:Hankou, Hanyang and Wuchang. Wuhan has many scenic spots and historical sites. Among them are the 2,400 years old Zenghouyi Chime Bells known as one of the world wonders; the 1,700 yearsold Yellow Crane Tower, one of the three famous towers in South China: the East Lake whose natural beauty rivals that of the West Lake in Hangzhou;the TY Tower on Tortois Hill known as the highest mast of Asia; the ancient Guiyuan Temple, and the modern International Amusement Park. Day 1. SHANGHAI to CHONGQING Fly to Chongqing. Greeted by tour guide at the airport. Leisure time, then transfer to Regal China Cruises. Overnight at the Cruises Day 2. CHONGQING to FENGDU (B. L. D.) Departs Chongqing 8:00am. Shore excursion at Fengdu. Overnight at the Cruises Day 3. BADONG to SANDOUPING (B. L. D.) Pass through the magnificent Qutang Gorge and beautiful Wu Gorge. Transfer to a small sampan to cruise the Shennong Stream. Overnight at the Cruises Day 4. SANDOUPING (B. L. D.) Visit the Three Gorges Dam. Sail through Xiling Gorge and pass Gezhouba Dam Ship lock. Overnight at the Cruises Day 5. WUHAN to SHANGHAI (B. L.) Morning continue to sail along the Yangtze River. Arrives Wuhan 12:00N. Visit Yellow Crane Pagoda, proceed to transfer to airport and fly back to Shanghai. [Remark]: 1. Please make reservation for Spring Tour one week at least prior to the departure! 2. Tour cost for Child (below 12): 90% and 75% of the normal cost separately for occupying bed and no bed. 3. Tour cost fluctuates according to the season. TOUR COST (Per Person) $450   Single Supplement $200 DEPARTURES Sorry! There are no available tour packages for you now. Please inform us of your demands! We’ll do our best to arrange the tour package only for you

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REGAL THREE GORGES PACKAGE—-DOWNSTREAM Shanghai– A fishing-village-turned metropolis, Shanghai offers one of the best examples where the east meets the west, the Chinese meets the foreign, and the traditional meets the modern. The city equals many of the world’s metropolises in terms of the pace of life and the speed of change. A Los Angeles Times report in Sept.2001 says that, attracted by Shanghai’s glitz, more than 300,000 Taiwanese, mostly businesspeople, have settled down in the city in recent years. Chongqing– The Red Star Pavilion in the Pipasha Park, the Kansheng Pavilion in the Eling Park, and a place called Yikeshu on the Nanshan Mountain are vintage points for observing the nocturnal scenes of the mountain city of Chongqing. At night the entire city is inundated in an ocean of lights, which form a colorful three-dimensional painting, with waves of the Yangtze and Jialing rivers glistening against the moonlit, star spangled sky. Wuhan– Wuhan is described as the "Homeland of White Clouds and Yellow Crane" The Yangtze River and the Han River join here,dividing the city into three towns:Hankou, Hanyang and Wuchang. Wuhan has many scenic spots and historical sites. Among them are the 2,400 years old Zenghouyi Chime Bells known as one of the world wonders; the 1,700 yearsold Yellow Crane Tower, one of the three famous towers in South China: the East Lake whose natural beauty rivals that of the West Lake in Hangzhou;the TY Tower on Tortois Hill known as the highest mast of Asia; the ancient Guiyuan Temple, and the modern International Amusement Park. Day 1. SHANGHAI to CHONGQING Fly to Chongqing. Greeted by tour guide at the airport. Leisure time, then transfer to Regal China Cruises. Overnight at the Cruises Day 2. CHONGQING to FENGDU (B. L. D.) Departs Chongqing 8:00am. Shore excursion at Fengdu. Overnight at the Cruises Day 3. BADONG to SANDOUPING (B. L. D.) Pass through the magnificent Qutang Gorge and beautiful Wu Gorge. Transfer to a small sampan to cruise the Shennong Stream. Overnight at the Cruises Day 4. SANDOUPING (B. L. D.) Visit the Three Gorges Dam. Sail through Xiling Gorge and pass Gezhouba Dam Ship lock. Overnight at the Cruises Day 5. WUHAN to SHANGHAI (B. L.) Morning continue to sail along the Yangtze River. Arrives Wuhan 12:00N. Visit Yellow Crane Pagoda, proceed to transfer to airport and fly back to Shanghai. [Remark]: 1. Please make reservation for Spring Tour one week at least prior to the departure! 2. Tour cost for Child (below 12): 90% and 75% of the normal cost separately for occupying bed and no bed. 3. Tour cost fluctuates according to the season.

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I don’t know what on earth you’re talking about. …  From an old argument where you just discounted a dictionary definition (several of them, in fact) …

Still don’t know what on earth you’re talking about. Could it be that you’ve just got a bug up your ass ? — Ken Fortenberry- rhetorical question Willi, I know you’ve got a                   high horse up your ass.

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      Still don’t know what on earth you’re talking about.     Could it be that you’ve just got a bug up your ass ?     Ken Fortenberry- rhetorical question Willi, I know you’ve got a      high horse up your ass. better be careful…… you’re losing control….. your fascination with other mens’ asses is starting to roll….. Willi

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  <pedantic diatribe which boils down to a misunderstanding of the word ethics To wit: (from Merriam-Webster) the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group — Ken Fortenberry

Much as I would like to contest your in depth analysis, I have to admit I’ve always been a sucker for rigorous scholarship and meticulous research.  Oh sure, there’s always a bit of lingering resentment…..I mean, shit, a guy spends a lifetime reading books and thinking about these things (sometimes for whole minutes at a time!), only to be trumped by an obscure and unlooked for datum whose very existence no one could have foreseen or predicted, but still, one simply has to admire the insouciant ease of the dismissal.  But then, I guess it’s easy when you’ve got a distillation of the world’s wisdom at your fingertips in a single volume.      :( Wolfgang gotta get me one’a them webster thingys one’s these days.

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Cat fight!

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  Now *that’s* the Ken we know and love. — TL, Tim     ain’t it the truth, timj !  :) yfitons wayno

You bad, bad dry fly fisherman.  You KNOWWW he’s going to rise to THAT fly Wayne. Shame on you. Mr.G.

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Cat fight!

Heh, heh, heh. Hey Ken!  Fresh meat!      :) Wolfgang

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Bozeman, Montana, November 18, 2002:  For immediate release. The Federation of Flyfishers announced today the publication of its Code of Angling Ethics.  FFF is an international organization whose mission is to lead activities that enhance and support the fly fishing experience for all anglers who fish with the artificial fly. FFF Treasurer Gary Grant, who spearheaded the effort to develop the Code of Angling Ethics, said that FFF decided to examine this issue about two years ago.  "Articles and discussions about ethical behavior by anglers have surfaced from time to time, and it was time to see if a common set of guidelines with unifying themes could be developed." The FFF Code expresses the belief that ethical behavior is a key component of the angling experience, and that anglers must behave ethically towards each other, non-anglers, and the environment.  Grant concluded:  "Ethical angling behavior is not a destination for one to boost about reaching.  Rather, it is a continuous journey that will improve the overall angling experience." To learn more about the Federation of Fly Fishers, view the FFF website at: www.fedflyfishers.org< or contact FFF Executive Director Jim Rainey at 406-585-7592.

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Bozeman, Montana, November 18, 2002:  For immediate release. The Federation of Flyfishers announced today the publication of its Code of Angling Ethics.

<snip Phew! For a minute there I thought they were going to impose ethical standards on roff. It’s too bad that the only people who will read this code of ethics are people who probably already adhere to stronger standards. — TL, Tim

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Bozeman, Montana, November 18, 2002:  For immediate release. The Federation of Flyfishers announced today the publication of its Code of Angling Ethics.

Is there anything in there about leaving empty worm containers streamside?

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Phew! For a minute there I thought they were going to impose ethical standards on roff.

Yeah, right after they bring Cary Grant back to life.  :-) Joe F.

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It’s too bad that the only people who will read this code of ethics are people who probably already adhere to stronger standards.

Or to put it another way, the problem with codes of ethics is that they are inherently unethical.  They are either coercive or they are meaningless. Wolfgang

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The Federation of Flyfishers announced today the publication of its Code of Angling Ethics.

rw asks: Is there anything in there about leaving empty worm containers streamside?

The ethical angler always leaves a worm or two for the next guy. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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It’s too bad that the only people who will read this code of ethics are people who probably already adhere to stronger standards. Or to put it another way, the problem with codes of ethics is that they are inherently unethical.  They are either coercive or they are meaningless.

True, but how does that make them different from the regs?  The State coerces compliance with the regs; other anglers coerce compliance to a code, formal or informal, written or unwritten. JR

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It’s too bad that the only people who will read this code of ethics are people who probably already adhere to stronger standards. Or to put it another way, the problem with codes of ethics is that they are inherently unethical.  They are either coercive or they are meaningless. True, but how does that make them different from the regs?  The State coerces compliance with the regs; other anglers coerce compliance to a code, formal or informal, written or unwritten.

I see two major differences, one practical and the other philosophical. Practically speaking, a coercive code of ethics, in this instance at least (and I’ll look at others in a moment), has no teeth.  The worst that an organization like FFF can do to a violator is revoke membership, which has absolutely no effect on one’s ability or opportunities to go out and fish, ethically or otherwise.  State regulations, on the other hand, have very real and often severe coercive power; violations can result in lost privileges, fines, confiscation of equipment and, in serious cases, even imprisonment. Philosophically, the difference gets right to the heart of what ethics is about.  In essence, ethical behavior is doing what is right simply because it is the right thing to do.  In other words, ethical behavior is characterized expressly by the LACK of coercion and even , in some cases, despite coercive regulations to the contrary.  For example, fishing regulations virtually everywhere state that any fish which may not be legally kept must immediately be returned to the water unharmed.  Obviously, any ethical and/or law abiding fisher will do so whenever possible….but there’s the rub.  We have all encountered situations when a fish which may not be legally kept (due to size restrictions, for instance) is mortally injured by a hook and cannot be released unharmed, and the vast majority of us believe that delivering a quick coup de grace is preferable to allowing the fish to slowly bleed to death.  Clearly, anyone who believes this is ethically bound to kill the fish, contrary to the dictates of the law. As I suggested earlier, there are some situations when what is referred to as a code of ethics can be backed by real authority.  Unlike the case of the FFF, there are many individuals and organizations in a position to impose such a code and punish breaches with more than just a symbolic slap on the wrist.  Employers and associations like the AMA come readily to mind.  The problem here is that such codes fly in the face of what ethics are all about.  That is to say that if one accepts the notion that ethics is about doing the right thing for its own sake, then a code is superfluous at best and antithetical to the whole purpose of ethics in any case.  This whole mess arises through a misuse of the term ethics.  What people are actually being asked (or, more often, TOLD) to subscribe to should more correctly be referred to as a code of conduct…..ethics simply don’t enter into the equation except insofar as one is willing to concede that whoever is doing the dictating has taken an ethical stance.  The irony is that people in a position to dictate "ethics" to someone else are, typically, well educated. They certainly SHOULD know that you cannot dictate ethics and that any pretence to doing so is deceitful and hence, as most thinking persons would likely agree, unethical. Wolfgang

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  <pedantic diatribe which boils down to a misunderstanding of the word ethics To wit: (from Merriam-Webster) the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group — Ken Fortenberry

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  <pedantic diatribe which boils down to a misunderstanding of the word ethics To wit: (from Merriam-Webster) the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group

Hmmm. This is what I got  from Merriam-Webster Collegiate: 1 : the discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation — TL, Tim (me thinks Wolfgang is correct)

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          <pedantic diatribe which boils down to a misunderstanding of the word   ethics     To wit: (from Merriam-Webster)     the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group     Thought you didn’t accept dictionary definitions or is that just when they disagree with what you believe? Willi

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Hmmm. This is what I got  from Merriam-Webster Collegiate: 1 : …

Keep on reading. All the way down to 2 c:. (me thinks Wolfgang is correct)

And methinks you can’t even spell methinks. — Ken Fortenberry- you’ve got a dictionary, fer cryin’ out loud USE the damn thing

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Thought you didn’t accept dictionary definitions …

I don’t know what on earth you’re talking about. Which dictionary definition am I supposed to not accept ? — Ken Fortenberry

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Hmmm. This is what I got  from Merriam-Webster Collegiate: 1 : … Keep on reading. All the way down to 2 c:.

I saw it, but by the time the definitions get to "2c" they’re getting pretty weak. 1 trumps 2c.  ;-) (me thinks Wolfgang is correct) And methinks you can’t even spell methinks. — Ken Fortenberry- you’ve got a dictionary, fer cryin’ out loud USE the damn

thing Now *that’s* the Ken we know and love. — TL, Tim (my dictionary says you misspelled fur)

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correct) And methinks you can’t even spell methinks. — Ken Fortenberry- you’ve got a dictionary, fer cryin’ out loud USE the damn thing Now *that’s* the Ken we know and love. — TL, Tim

    ain’t it the truth, timj !  :) yfitons wayno

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    Thought you didn’t accept dictionary definitions …         I don’t know what on earth you’re talking about. Which dictionary   definition am I supposed to not accept ?     From an old argument where you just discounted a dictionary definition (several of them, in fact) because their definitions didn’t agree with your position. Willi

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Wayne Knight: (envious story snipped) Oh yea, I’ve still never been stumped in MO

Here we are sittin’ out a snow storm and you’re fishing!  ’Tain’t fair.  It was a good day, Wayne, just to be out there. Dave L.

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Ok, Forty you asked for it….

Thanks, big guy. Always nice to read of a friends fishin’ trip while stuck up here in the snow. — Ken Fortenberry

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Ok, Forty you asked for it…. Thanks, big guy. Always nice to read of a friends fishin’ trip while stuck up here in the snow.

FWIW, they are calling for snow here tonight and tomorrow. Sure hope it does not impede my flight home to Geneva on Friday. Hopefully tho, my daughter will have the driveway and sidewalks shoveled for me by the time I do get home. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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[trip snip] Thank you Kerry for a great time, and if any of you out there ever decide to visit SW Missouri for a little fishing, be sure and drop Kerry an email. Oh yea, I’ve still never been stumped in MO — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

Y’know that’s really cruel to post such a report to the snowbound.  :)

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Ok, Forty you asked for it…. I drove out of Kansas to Aurora Mo this past weekend where I met up with Kerry Evans, a contributor to the board, and a long time resident of SW Missouri. Crane is a creek I’ve been hearing about for about a year and wanted to try, plus it is about the closest real trout water to Halstead KS, being only 260 miles away, and whatever it’s faults as a fishing destination, eastern Kansas has some damn good roads <g. All things being equal, I would have prefered to let the weather change a little more but not having seen a trout since October I was going through withdrawal symptons. After meeting for breakfast, I followed Kerry to the creek. Yup the water is low, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelly low, and it was is gin clear. The only other time I’ve seen water this clear has been in WI spring creeks in the fall, never in the winter. Kerry did his best to put me over fish, even though the water was low, there were enough deep pools to support fish. Funny thing with a couple of exceptions we would fish the pools and see nothing and then cross the stream in 6" water and see fish scattering away from us…..There was this one pool which we saw several fish, but just could not get them to take our offerings. We did find some rising fish and we did our best to put them down Being winter, while there was some insect activity on the surface, the bugs were small. A size 20 Griffith’s Gnat might as well been a #10 Green Drake, these bugs were that small. Yours truly at the start was casting, if you want to call it that, as if I was just learning what a fly rod was having forgot my backcast, drink, forward cast routine…..and I probably had a false since of security, it being winter and all was not being too careful with the brush around the stream. I admit, I was cocky, I had never been stumped in Missouri before and really did not want to stealth my overweight out of shape self. Kerry was great, he is a fine fly fisher, a super guy, and to boot, he builds a rather nice rod too. But as sometimes happen, he too could not connect fly with fish. Finally, about halfway down the section we were fishing, we came upon a pool with two risers, Kerry being the gracious host he was, offered the pool to me. I figured screw it on the small stuff and tied on a favorite Michigan pattern, a size 14 parachute Robert’s Drake figuring that maybe the bow’s wanted a real meal for a change. After deteriming the first riser was a little one, I did my best Fortenberry imitation and slid along the pool side and side armed cast the drake under a tree branch to the other riser…..I was rewarded with a healthy bow which turned out to be the only fish of the day. Though the fishing was tough, and frankly had we been a little more careful, we might have been better rewarded, but we only saw one other fisherman and last we checked, he had not been successful. The creek needs some water but I will be back and will be better prepared next time. I bet in spring and fall colors the stream scenery is just dynamite. And Kerry told me about some other streams which have not been written about, they will stay a secret but I will be visiting them too! Thank you Kerry for a great time, and if any of you out there ever decide to visit SW Missouri for a little fishing, be sure and drop Kerry an email. Oh yea, I’ve still never been stumped in MO — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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as my abused feet thaw, i thought i’d share a trip report with ya’ll. jeff arrived at the predetermined time, and i was damn near ready. we eventually loaded my gear in the truck and made our way off to the elk. we stopped at a convenience store for ice but it really wasn’t needed— we could have just as well laid the beer out in the truck bed and it would have been properly chilled upon our return. we walked the snow packed trail down and reached our favorite put-in spot. as we had rigged up at the truck, we were ready to fish. aberrantly, i cockily asked jeff if he wanted to see a fish out of the first hole. i dropped my bhhe into the water..and lordy…a rainbow made me look like a laughing prophet. jeff just shook his head and laughed. i knew we were in for one hell of a special day. nymphing in the blue cold of winter is wonderful. the air is crisp and fresh, the river is changed, yet gorgeous in it’s white blanket. i’d finish this story for ya’ll…but sweet smells are wafting down here from marie’s cooking and i’m starved… just let it be known that it really doesn’t get any better than to be astream with a good friend, no matter how friggin cold it is! waldo..prince of pilsner

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<good report snipped Nice sounding report Walt.  One time fishing the Upper Provo, my friend was not having any luck. I asked to see his rig.  He was using a gold ribbed hare’s ear.  I laid a cast using his fly rod in some ripples just before a pool and hooked up to a nice 12" rainbow.  Handed the rod back to him and told him, seems to be working fine.  It was pure luck and great timing on my part. bc. — Angling may be said to be so like the mathematics that it can never be fully learnt — Izaak Walton

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Blackcat writes: Nice sounding report Walt.  One time fishing the Upper Provo, my friend was not having any luck. I asked to see his rig.  He was using a gold ribbed hare’s ear.  I laid a cast using his fly rod in some ripples just before a pool and hooked up to a nice 12" rainbow.  Handed the rod back to him and told him, seems to be working fine.  It was pure luck and great timing on my part. bc.

LOL.  That has happened to all of us, I belief.  The best one that happened to me concerned a registered Maine Guide.  He was "trying out" a new 3 weight he had just made.  I sat for about 10 minutes watching him cast a size 20 emerger into a particular pool.  He asked me to try the rod.  I made several false casts, sort of getting the feel of things.  When I presented the fly, it must have landed right in front of a 17 inch land locked salmon, for he came up and slashed at the fly.  The rest is a pleasant memory.  When I released the fish, I told him it not only cast well, but landed well too.  <g Dave L.

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Is there such an event sceduled and what is it going to consist of. Central Coast Bob

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Robert, Yes, there is such an event.  Cost is $25.00 per individual and there will be many activities.  If you are the Bob I’m thinking about, you can just stop by Central Coast Fly Fishing on Carmel Valley Road and pick up a flyer on the "conclave" with all the goodies and costs listed. Bob Moss Landing, Ca. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such an event sceduled and what is it going to consist of. Central Coast Bob

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Is there such an event sceduled and what is it going to consist of. Central Coast Bob

Try this link  http://www.calflytech.com/nccfff/conclave/index.html I’ll be there tying Saturday afternoon, — Doug Knight                            metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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Is there such an event sceduled and what is it going to consist of. Central Coast Bob

Hi All, This is an annual event at North Shore Lake Tahoe. You can sit face to face with some of the best west coast fly tyers and fly fishers. You can watch them tie and talk fishing. It is a  fabulous time for all interested in the sport. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You do not specify what type of Japanese Maples these are, but…. I would recommend not pruning your Japanese Maple.  My wife’s grandmother had some very nice old maples that we had to prune every year, only because some gardner had once pruned them back.   Her/our experience was that once they’re pruned the pruned ends bush out and sucker heavily.  Every year these trees (15-20 feet tall) would bush out and become so thick you couldn’t see into them.  The pleasure of the japanese maple is the open, airy look, which was totally destroyed by the pruning. G-maw railed on and on every year about how they should never have touched those trees.  She was quite an experienced gardner and ikebana instructor, and knew her stuff.  In her opinion, the only pruning that should ever be done is to remove large branches to help promote the open feel these trees should have.  The natural shape is wonderful if you just let it go and grow up…

   My advice is also non-professional, and while I agree with these sentiments about what happens if you prune badly, it doesn’t follow that J. Maples shouldn’t be pruned.  It’s certainly true that if you lop off a major branch of most deciduous trees, the tree will put out many shoots from that point and generally look bad.  The proper thing is to prune early to establish the shape of the tree as it grows…and this pruning should generally be of complete stems or branches.  If you must cut off a thicker branch or stem other than at the base, it should be just beyond a smaller side branch that you expect to provide a better shape.  It may still be necessary to get rid of suckers, but they are easily rubbed off with your thumb when small, and the resprouting does not go on forever.   I too like the open airy look of a properly trimmed J. Maple, but this rarely happens by accident or neglect. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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I LOVE THIS COMMENT AND INTEND TO PLAIGERIZE IT(SP): This is non-professional advice and if followed, voids your warranty… MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In our yard in Tuscaloosa, Alabama we have nice small three year old Japanese Maple  in need of pruning for better shaping, etc.  Is it OK to prune branches now

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Asking the usual question…looking for suggestions for best fly fishing in the general area of Lava Hot Springs in southern Idaho.  Appreciate it.  I might like to leave the family in the pool and seek my own kind of adventure for a day. P. Bowers

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Asking the usual question…looking for suggestions for best fly fishing in the general area of Lava Hot Springs in southern Idaho.  Appreciate it.  I might like to leave the family in the pool and seek my own kind of adventure for a day.

Check out the upper Portneuf River above Lava Hot Springs.  This river used to be pretty darn good, went downhill, and has recently undergone some stream improvement.  Ask for local directions to the old highway (not the one over Fish Creek Summit).  Try the area up around Pebble Creek.   Regards, George O. Jacox Boise, ID City of Trees

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Check out the upper Portneuf River above Lava Hot Springs.  This river used to be pretty darn good, went downhill, and has recently undergone some stream improvement.  Ask for local directions to the old highway (not the one over Fish Creek Summit).  Try the area up around Pebble Creek.  

P.S. Watch out for African lions.  <bg  Unfortunately, it’s too long a story to reproduce here.  Ask one of the locals and you’ll get an earful. Enjoy yourself on the Portneuf.  That’s the river I learned to flyfish on, many moons ago. Regards, George O. Jacox Boise, ID City of Trees

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Asking the usual question…looking for suggestions for best fly fishing in the general area of Lava Hot Springs in southern Idaho.  Appreciate it.  I might like to leave the family in the pool and seek my own kind of adventure for a day. P. Bowers

Upper Portneuf can be good. Kelly-Toponce area is best. Several access points along Rte 30 north of Lava. Downstream toward McCammon where the big bridge crosses the river there is an irrigation diversion, some swampy spots and several channels. Some decent browns there but very difficult to get to. You might also try tubing Chesterfield Reservoir (on upper Portneuf) or 24-Mile Reservoir. Both can be very good. Next few weeks might be tough though. The algae comes up off the bottom in big clumps a couple feet across and inches thick and clog the surface. It’s about that time. Should sink again or break up by mid-Sep. Another place you might consider that’s fairly close is the upper Blackfoot River. See the article in October Western Flyfishing mag. I was there last weekend. Lots of cutts, but mostly small. Still fun though. If you’re in Pocatello, stop at Jimmy’s All Seasons Angler and find out what’s what. There are a bunch of other reservoirs in the area that are pretty good. Luck & Tight Lines! Lance    web stuff at: www.primenet.com/~hankins

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Have some new fly fishing gear and new to the sport.  Planning to go out on my first outing to the Deerfield in western Mass this weekend.  If any out there know of a good spot to start I’d appreciate the info.  Have enjoyed following this newgroup for some time.  Now I guess it’s time to take the first of many enjoyable steps. Thanks in advance for any info. Claude

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If you are going out tothe deerfield you better find out how the water level is water has been running real high this year makes for real hard fishing.

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Have some new fly fishing gear and new to the sport.  Planning to go out on my first outing to the Deerfield in western Mass this weekend.  If any out there know of a good spot to start I’d appreciate the info.  Have enjoyed following this newgroup for some time.  Now I guess it’s time to take the first of many enjoyable steps. Thanks in advance for any info. Claude

From all reports that I’ve heard, the Deerfield is basically not even fishable yet, due to high fast water conditions. — David T. Blizard CGI Animator Post Perfect inc. 220E 42nd St New York NY 10017 (W) 212 972 3400 X5394 http://www.users.interport.net/~daveb "Pork, the other white meat!"

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Have some new fly fishing gear and new to the sport.  Planning to go out on my first outing to the Deerfield in western Mass this weekend.  If any out there know of a good spot to start I’d appreciate the info.  Have enjoyed following this newgroup for some time.  Now I guess it’s time to take the first of many enjoyable steps. Claude

I am going to the deerfield also this weekend. I lived in a little town called Sunderland which, is a couple of miles from south deerfield (where Yankee Candle is). I fished quite a bit there from the route 91 bridge downstream for a couple miles. The water is a little slower moving but, you can find some great runs. Try right at the rt 91 bridge. There are a few likely spots. Hopefully the water will be down this weekend. I was there a couple of weeks ago and it was chocolate milk ! good luck.

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I was just talking to someone else about these little buggers.  In my local the most popular pattern is the bastardized Wooley B, the Egg Sucking Leach.  Outside of it’s outstanding name, and the fact no one has ever seen a leach with an egg in it’s maw, it has caught on and works fabulously for salmon, big char and rainbows in sizes 8 to 2 tied on streamer hooks.  During a long winter of giving tying classes and tying too many flys, I tied one on a 96840 #12.  It looked so good I tied a coulple of dozen before all the ice was off the first lake I was wondering why I never though to do it before.  Give this a try.

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The strangest pattern I’ve seen imitated pellet fish food.  Great on stocked streams on opening day. -Bob

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 . . . I occasionally come across an empty corn can left along the banks. It is apparently one of the rednecks’ favorite baits.  Libby’s brand is the standard. I’ve never seen any other brand.

        Actually, I prefer Nibblets…                 T O D D . . .

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When I was a kid,my fishing buddy inherited his grandfather’s fly rods and flies.  In one of the fly boxes were 4 quarter inch long eigth inch dowels tied on a #12.  They were labelled as opening day and post stocking "flies".  Apparently they looked just like the hatchery pellets the stockies were fed.  Maybe that’s what the cigarette butts look like too. Crashjibe

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 . . . I occasionally come across an empty corn can left along the banks. It is apparently one of the rednecks’ favorite baits.  Libby’s brand is the standard. I’ve never seen any other brand.         Actually, I prefer Nibblets…                 T O D D . . .

Nibblets seems to be the favorite on the Clinch in TN too! (what an exciting topic of conversation  :*D)   A sunny day,      a box of midges,         and a wandering stream…   Man, this MUST be heaven!   <    Steve Kulpa    <<

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The most insane pattern I’ve come accross is a cigarette butt imitation.  A friend of mine tied one after occasionally comming accross them in trout stomachs.  I’m not sure if trout take this as a caddis case or whether they are nicotine junkies, but i’ve seen him catch a few fish on it too.   Cheers Olaf

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I need to go fishing! I think I am going out of my mind. I have been tying flys for the past month now, but I think I started to early with it. Tying is starting to make things worse because now I want to go out and use them. I live in CA and river trout season doesn’t start until the saturday before may. Also there has been a lot of snow in the mountains here and it isn’t going to clear up for a long time. Does anyone know how to overcome the insanity? Because of all the time I have had tying I played around with some different patterens and I invented my own. It is a cross between a stonefly Nymph and a damselfly Nymph. It is tyed on a size 8 hook with black thread and has a gold bead head. Tail: bunch of black hackle tips. Body: olive dubing. Rib: thin red copper wire. Thorax: bronze peacock herls tyed larger than the bead. Hackle: before the peacock put three or four turns of black cock hackle behind the bead. Trim the hackle so they point down, then tie in the peacock. I call this pattern the bead head green thing. I had no particular bug in mind when I tyed it but I think it might work. Please give me some input on it. If you can go fishing now, tie one up and give it a try, then  tell me how it worked. TimFLYFISH P.S. If you have any Patterns of your own I would like to give them a try.

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regarding insane patterns. Iwas in a fly shop in Asheville, NC called Hunter Banks one day last year shooting the breeze, and the subject of ridiculous patterns came up. The owner, with a twinkle in his eye, pulled out his latest pattern: The Corn Fly. It is tied with yellow poly and looks just like a kernal of Libby’s finest. Back in the blue ridge mountains, even on well known FF only waters, I occasionally come across an empty corn can left along the banks. It is apparently one of the rednecks’ favorite baits.  Libby’s brand is the standard. I’ve never seen any other brand. The fly, incidentally, was tied as a joke. They don’t sell them.  People think egg flies, san juan worms, etc are flies, so what the hell, its not much of a stretch, I guess. Dale Owens

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I work in television. Why not a Homebrew channel?  Think of the possibilities! That’s it!  I will start a HOMBREW channel.  Please give me $500,000 in cash for start up costs.

Phrank,                 The check’s in the mail. Is that a real est. of the start up cost?  It sounds like a great idea!  How ’bout getting the money from all those advertisers in Zymurgy and the various free brew news papers?  I can see it now: This Old Wort or The Cajun Brewmeister or Brew Improvement or Home Brewer Club…    

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: I work in television. : : Saw a list of upcoming TV channels for cable. : o     Food channel : o     Military channel : o     more sports channels : o     Religion channel : etc : : Why not a Homebrew channel?  Think of the possibilities! : : o     Cooking wort, live on TV with call-ins from homebrewers :       across the country : o     Bottling live on TV : o     Call 1-800-HOMBREW [used as example only, not intended to be a real :       number] to order a variety of products :       and services : o     Live remote broadcasts from the homes of homebrewers :       nationwide as they cook or bottle their own finely :       home crafted brews : o     "The Dr. Yeast Show" : : That’s it!  I will start a HOMBREW channel.  Please give me $500,000 in cash : for start up costs. : : Thanks, : Phrank : : Hell, someone could probably do something like this on a cable access channel.  We have them in California.  I think Papai and Gow should be the hosts.  I’ll be the "man-in-the-field" who does all the tasting!   —                            Mike (My Brain is Flaming) McCall

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(Mike McCall) writes: : I work in television. : Why not a Homebrew channel?  Think of the possibilities!  … : : o"The Dr. Yeast Show" : : That’s it!  I will start a HOMBREW channel.  Please give me $500,000 in    cash : for start up costs. : Hell, someone could probably do something like this on a cable access channel.  We have them in California.  I think Papai and Gow should be the hosts.  I’ll be the "man-in-the-field" who does all the tasting!   —

I am not foto-genic enough to host such a fine show.  I will volunteer to be field reporter & interviewer as long as expenses are paid. I will need a large supply of vitamin B’s to help fight the devestating day-after effects of the alcohol too.  I think Kathy Ireland or Marina Sirtis would make a good host.  Meanwhile, back to homebrewing… — Ken Papai, Sunnyvale, Calif.   |  This space for rent until I find quote

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I work in television. : Why not a Homebrew channel?  Think of the possibilities!  … : : o"The Dr. Yeast Show" : : That’s it!  I will start a HOMBREW channel.  Please give me $500,000 in    cash : for start up costs. : Hell, someone could probably do something like this on a cable access channel.  We have them in California.  I think Papai and Gow should be the hosts.  I’ll be the "man-in-the-field" who does all the tasting!   — I am not foto-genic enough to host such a fine show.  I will volunteer to be field reporter & interviewer as long as expenses are paid. I will need a large supply of vitamin B’s to help fight the devestating day-after effects of the alcohol too.  I think Kathy Ireland or Marina Sirtis would make a good host.  Meanwhile, back to homebrewing… — Ken Papai, Sunnyvale, Calif.   |  This space for rent until I find quote

Forget Kathy Ireland … I want Michael Douglas to host it.  Or how about Christopher Plummer? MMmmmmm!  I’d watch the show.  Great homebrew and great men. Can’t wait to taste my christmas brew! The hardest part for me is waiting long enough to let the brew get a good mellowing. —  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *    NOAA/PMEL/CNSD, 7600 Sand Point Way NE, Building #3, Seattle, WA, 98115   The opinions expressed herein are not neccessarily those of my employer or                         the government in general.    "You can’t be a successful Dictator and design women’s underclothing." -Bertie  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *  * *

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: That’s it!  I will start a HOMBREW channel.  I think Kathy Ireland or Marina Sirtis would make a good host. Forget Kathy Ireland … I want Michael Douglas to host it.  Or how about Christopher Plummer?  

Now, now, let’s not fight.  When Emma Thompson hosts, we can call the show Babes and Brewing (or even Babes and Bitters); when Denzel Washington hosts, we’ll switch the name to Hunks and Hops (or maybe Studs and Stouts). It’s a free market economy; there’s room for everyone. -Murph                           "It’s worse than that, it’s physics, Jim!                                   (-"Star Trekkin’", The Firm)

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I work in television. Saw a list of upcoming TV channels for cable. o       Food channel o       Military channel o       more sports channels o       Religion channel etc Why not a Homebrew channel?  Think of the possibilities! o       Cooking wort, live on TV with call-ins from homebrewers         across the country o       Bottling live on TV o       Call 1-800-HOMBREW [used as example only, not intended to be a real         number] to order a variety of products         and services o       Live remote broadcasts from the homes of homebrewers         nationwide as they cook or bottle their own finely         home crafted brews o       "The Dr. Yeast Show" That’s it!  I will start a HOMBREW channel.  Please give me $500,000 in cash for start up costs. Thanks, Phrank

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