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The original message was not a troll, it was a subtle way of telling the whiners to F-off. I was exchanging beery emails with a flyfishing friend from Maine late Friday night and his observations were the impetus for the post Saturday morning. We are both surprised, I think, that the overwhelming consensus is to just leave well enough alone. The serial whiners had me convinced that a vast army of flyfisherfolk with delicate sensibilities were lurking out there but too intimidated to post, much to the detriment of the group. I truly believed it. I said that I would crosspost the call for a "show of hands" to a few other newsgroups, but I don’t think it’s worth the effort. Only eleven people besides myself have indicated that they would vote YES if the proposal came to a vote. The list follows, if you indicated or would like to indicate that you would vote YES but don’t see your email addy on the list, reply to this post. I’m gonna set the ROFF "show of hands" number arbitrarily at 55 before I bother to crosspost. My offer to do the grunt work required to start a RFD and a CFV will eventually expire so "show those hands" and start thinking about moderator(s) if this thing flies. Just as an aside, for whatever reason, I take a lot of email grief from the serial whiners. Volunteering to do a bit of work to push them off to a new newsgroup should in no way be considered altruistic or noble. I am doing this for personal and selfish reasons, I like ROFF just the way it is, consider it one of the more helpful and "newbie friendly" of the rec. newsgroups and I am sick and bloody fucking tired of whiners. — Ken Fortenberry

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I truly believed it.

You should believe it because it’s true. The people I know of already participate other FF forums. They, like me, aren’t interested in a new group. Just as an aside, for whatever reason, I take a lot of email grief from the serial whiners. Volunteering to do a bit of work to push them off to a new newsgroup should in no way be considered altruistic or noble. I am doing this for personal and selfish reasons, I like ROFF just the way it is, consider it one of the more helpful and "newbie friendly" of the rec. newsgroups and I am sick and bloody fucking tired of whiners.

There are other people here that are "fucking tired" of other things in ROFF. I will continue to criticize ROFF when I think it’s appropriate. ROFF is not sacred. I won’t do this through email. Here’s a suggestion for you, have the "membership" make a rule. Anything goes on ROFF except for criticism of ROFF itself. That will get rid of this "whiner." Willi

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Yes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The original message was not a troll, it was a subtle way of telling the whiners to F-off. I was exchanging beery emails with a flyfishing friend from Maine late Friday night and his observations were the impetus for the post Saturday morning. We are both surprised, I think, that the overwhelming consensus is to just leave well enough alone. The serial whiners had me convinced that a vast army of flyfisherfolk with delicate sensibilities were lurking out there but too intimidated to post, much to the detriment of the group. I truly believed it. I said that I would crosspost the call for a "show of hands" to a few other newsgroups, but I don’t think it’s worth the effort. Only eleven people besides myself have indicated that they would vote YES if the proposal came to a vote. The list follows, if you indicated or would like to indicate that you would vote YES but don’t see your email addy on the list, reply to this post. I’m gonna set the ROFF "show of hands" number arbitrarily at 55 before I bother to crosspost. My offer to do the grunt work required to start a RFD and a CFV will eventually expire so "show those hands" and start thinking about moderator(s) if this thing flies. Just as an aside, for whatever reason, I take a lot of email grief from the serial whiners. Volunteering to do a bit of work to push them off to a new newsgroup should in no way be considered altruistic or noble. I am doing this for personal and selfish reasons, I like ROFF just the way it is, consider it one of the more helpful and "newbie friendly" of the rec. newsgroups and I am sick and bloody fucking tired of whiners. — Ken Fortenberry

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Yes Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes. The original message was not a troll, it was a subtle way of telling the whiners to F-off. I was exchanging beery emails with a flyfishing friend from Maine late Friday night and his observations were the impetus for the post Saturday morning. We are both surprised, I think, that the overwhelming consensus is to just leave well enough alone. The serial whiners had me convinced that a vast army of flyfisherfolk with delicate sensibilities were lurking out there but too intimidated to post, much to the detriment of the group. I truly believed it. I said that I would crosspost the call for a "show of hands" to a few other newsgroups, but I don’t think it’s worth the effort. Only eleven people besides myself have indicated that they would vote YES if the proposal came to a vote. The list follows, if you indicated or would like to indicate that you would vote YES but don’t see your email addy on the list, reply to this post. I’m gonna set the ROFF "show of hands" number arbitrarily at 55 before I bother to crosspost. My offer to do the grunt work required to start a RFD and a CFV will eventually expire so "show those hands" and start thinking about moderator(s) if this thing flies. Just as an aside, for whatever reason, I take a lot of email grief from the serial whiners. Volunteering to do a bit of work to push them off to a new newsgroup should in no way be considered altruistic or noble. I am doing this for personal and selfish reasons, I like ROFF just the way it is, consider it one of the more helpful and "newbie friendly" of the rec. newsgroups and I am sick and bloody fucking tired of whiners. — Ken Fortenberry

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Don’t go changing,to try and please me,You never worked that hard before.I couldn’t love you any better,I love you just the way you are.Nooooooooooooooooo!     OT:Went to the surf last night for the first time this year.Caught two 20"stripers(no strippers in sight)Had two walk two miles wearing neoprene to get to the good spot.It was worth it.Had the beach all to myself and a glorious sunset to boot.I always get this shock of recognition every year when I catch the first one;I forget just how amazingly strong these fish are.Schoolie fish had my reel screaming and my rod bent over.I can’t imagine what it must be like to land a large one,say 36".Maybe this year I’ll get lucky and find out. Regards,Shawn

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I’d vote yes… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I said that I would crosspost the call for a "show of hands" to a few other newsgroups, but I don’t think it’s worth the effort. Only eleven people besides myself have indicated that they would vote YES if the proposal came to a vote. The list follows, if you indicated or would like to indicate that you would vote YES but don’t see your email addy on the list, reply to this post.

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In addition to Roff, I’ve been frequenting The Virtual Flyshop (Bulletin Board), upon the suggestion of others at Roff.  It provides excellent, mostly on-topic, civil discussions.  Lots of collective fly-fishing knowledge shared. Very newbie friendly.  And I understand that there are other similar resources.  With all these resources available why bother to develop an antiseptic ROFF alternative?  Not that I’m crazy about some of the outright nastiness on ROFF. I am just choosing to ignore it as often as possible. Pat K

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Any tips on where I might find a few good fly fishing spots on the Cape? DMS

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The original message was not a troll, it was a subtle way of telling the whiners to F-off. I was exchanging beery emails with a flyfishing friend from Maine late Friday night and his observations were the impetus for the post Saturday morning. We are both surprised, I think, that the overwhelming consensus is to just leave well enough alone. The serial whiners had me convinced that a vast army of flyfisherfolk with delicate sensibilities were lurking out there but too intimidated to post, much to the detriment of the group. I truly believed it. I said that I would crosspost the call for a "show of hands" to a few other newsgroups, but I don’t think it’s worth the effort. Only eleven people besides myself have indicated that they would vote YES if the proposal came to a vote. The list follows, if you indicated or would like to indicate that you would vote YES but don’t see your email addy on the list, reply to this post. I’m gonna set the ROFF "show of hands" number arbitrarily at 55 before I bother to crosspost. My offer to do the grunt work required to start a RFD and a CFV will eventually expire so "show those hands" and start thinking about moderator(s) if this thing flies. Just as an aside, for whatever reason, I take a lot of email grief from the serial whiners. Volunteering to do a bit of work to push them off to a new newsgroup should in no way be considered altruistic or noble. I am doing this for personal and selfish reasons, I like ROFF just the way it is, consider it one of the more helpful and "newbie friendly" of the rec. newsgroups and I am sick and bloody fucking tired of whiners. — Ken Fortenberry

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Any tips on where I might find a few good fly fishing spots on the Cape? DMS

Dennis I’ve only been to the Cape twice so I’m not what you’d call an authority.  I fished at Barnstable Harbour, Pleasant Bay near Chatham and the Coast Guard Beach on the Atlantic side at the north end. There’s some pictures a some descriptions on mt site under "Trips". Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Any tips on where I might find a few good fly fishing spots on the Cape?

www.flyfishing-the-salt Sorry if anyone else already posted this, but my newserver went down last night and has been acting funny. Mu

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Help save our migratory fishery.  I’ve heard that we should all throw a bale of straw into the Columbia River.  It seems the straw bales get soggy and take out gill nets, thus helping the fish to survive them. Does this really work or make sense as ‘a protest vote?’ — Mr. G. http://www.gink.com (World’s Best Dry Fly Dressing) http://www.rodbuilding.com (For the Serious Rod Builder) http://www.xink.com (World’s Best Wet Fly Sink)

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Will be going to Boulder in May and June for some training.  Any suggestions for fly fishing in the area.  (Hopefully, I will be able to get away from the class room long enough to go fishing) Thanks, T. Bell

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Lots of fishing around Boulder, however, May and June are generally runoff months and the local streams could be running mud. There are numerous small alpine lakes within a fairly short drive. Some you can drive to, the better ones require a hike. E-mail me before you arrive and I can get you some current info. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will be going to Boulder in May and June for some training.  Any suggestions for fly fishing in the area.  (Hopefully, I will be able to get away from the class room long enough to go fishing) Thanks, T. Bell

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Depending on runoff conditions, you could just walk over to Boulder Creek right in town. For famous tailwaters the South Platte, Blue and Frying Pan are only 2-3 hours driving from Boulder. If you are here at peak runoff (which will be short this year unless we get some more snow) try higher streams in and around Rocky Mountain National Park, about an hour away if you don’t drive the canyon roads like I do.  ;-) Feel free to drop me a note when you get closer to fishing time for more current conditions. In May and June spring runoff is perhaps the greatest factor in choosing a place to fish, and conditions can change from day to day. Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will be going to Boulder in May and June for some training.  Any suggestions for fly fishing in the area.  (Hopefully, I will be able to get away from the class room long enough to go fishing) Thanks, T. Bell

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Will be going to Boulder in May and June for some training.  Any suggestions for fly fishing in the area.  (Hopefully, I will be able to get away from the class room long enough to go fishing)

    South Boulder Creek, below Gross Reservoir.  Get a map – hike down the hill. You’ll be glad you did,  it’s worth finding. JE

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andrew, I am a pro photog and I have photos that you could use.  I was unable to connect to your website.   Jerry Schrader, over 30 years a pro Fine Wedding Photography http://www.weddingphoto-ma.com

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You know, I’ve NEVER seen one of those women land a fish….must be that scentthey put on the bait… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is my website.  I am looking for pictures of people to put up on it. I need some wilderness, fishing, camping, hiking, scenery, etc. you get the point (NO NUDE FLYFISHING WOMEN THIS TIME).  If anyone would send me their pics I will post them and give you credit.  Thanks again. Sincerely, Andrew Fulton http://wildhideaway.cjb.net

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Here is my website.  I am looking for pictures of people to put up on it.  I need some wilderness, fishing, camping, hiking, scenery, etc. you get the point (NO NUDE FLYFISHING WOMEN THIS TIME).  If anyone would send me their pics I will post them and give you credit.  Thanks again. Sincerely, Andrew Fulton http://wildhideaway.cjb.net

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3M makes a fly line dressing that brings out the natural lubricants in the line itself and puts more on it.  Great Great Great STuff

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writes: Has anybody tried "lard" (yes, I mean pure porky lard for cooking) or any other greasy-oily domestic product?

     In the Bad Old Days of silk lines, commercial line dressings contained lanolin (i.e., mutton fat), but what good lard would do on a vinyl-covered line, I don’t know.  Silicones act like oils but are much less sensitive to changes in temperature (and do not become rancid!)      Wash your line in warm water and mild soap, rinse, then wipe dry with a soft cloth.  You will be surprised how much better a clean line floats and shoots than a dirty one.  – Roger

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Does anybody know of any domestic product we could use to apply on fly lines instead of these expensive silicone products a careful fisherman must buy many times a year in order to protect his line? Has anybody tried "lard" (yes, I mean pure porky lard for cooking) or any other greasy-oily domestic product? Fly fishing is older than "silicone" I believe, so what would ancient fly fishers use on their lines? …of course we know they didn’t use synthetic lines as we do now, but still! I am asking before I try for I am bored by the commercial aspect of fishing.  And I do go fishing every day. If some of you fly fishers out there would kindly give me informations on this by E-Mail, I would gather the answer and publish them in an article here in the NewsGroup.  It might be helpful for all of us. If I get no answer, well next year I’ll know because I’ll try a few tricks. Thanks for reading me.  If you got any answer you can mail ‘em to me (Jean-Pierre) at E-Mail address:

I think that a can of Mucilin is about as much as a mocha? William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Does anybody know of any domestic product we could use to apply on fly lines instead of these expensive silicone products a careful fisherman must buy many times a year in order to protect his line? Has anybody tried "lard" (yes, I mean pure porky lard for cooking) or any other greasy-oily domestic product? Fly fishing is older than "silicone" I believe, so what would ancient fly fishers use on their lines? …of course we know they didn’t use synthetic lines as we do now, but still! I am asking before I try for I am bored by the commercial aspect of fishing.  And I do go fishing every day. If some of you fly fishers out there would kindly give me informations on this by E-Mail, I would gather the answer and publish them in an article here in the NewsGroup.  It might be helpful for all of us. If I get no answer, well next year I’ll know because I’ll try a few tricks. Thanks for reading me.  If you got any answer you can mail ‘em to me (Jean-Pierre) at E-Mail address:

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Does anyone have a suggestion for spring Bluegill patterns? Thanks!

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Does anyone have a suggestion for spring Bluegill patterns? Thanks!

About the best source for panfish fly patters is: Stewart, Dick.  Flies for bass & panfish /  1st ed.  Intervale, NH : Northland Press ; New York, NY : Distributed by Lyons & Burford, c1992.  v, 80, [7] p. : col. ill. ; 29 cm. If that’s not locally available, her are some suggestions: The traditional favorites are various rubber legged sinking flies with names like ‘Brim killer" and so on.  A simple, efective and easy to tie fly of this sort that I use a great deal is as follows: Lightly weight a #8 or 10 nymph (or baitholder) hook with lead wire. Tie in a lenght of medium black (or olive, hot pink, white, etc.) chenelle and wind to front making a "fat" body.  Tie in two long (2") strands of rubber hackle (white, black or to match body color) in the center, and pull the 4 ends back.  Wrap in a head, and whip finish.  Trim the rubber hackles to about twice the lenght of the fly.   Other simple sinking flies that work well for Bluegill are wooly worms, gold ribbed hare’s ear nymphs, peacock herl bodies with black or brown tail and wet fly hackle, black gant, bee patterns, small streamers, small wooly buggers, & mini-jigs. For surface bugs, the traditional cork poppers – sneakey Peets, pan pops, etc., are very good, but not worth tying given their cost vs. the time to make them.  Small (6 to 10#) hair bugs are good, and if you want to use dry flies, irresistibles or other deer hair body flies hold up well, as do hoppers, mudlers, etc. Basically, amuse yourself.  If you like it, the bluegill will too.   —

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Does anyone have a suggestion for spring Bluegill patterns? Thanks!

On the surface I have used small hard bodied poppers #10/12 in black or yellow and hair wing dry flies like a Humpy or Irresistible #10/12.  Under water I have had good luck with a black wet fly.  A little wooly worm, soft hackle fly or nymph #10/12. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Does anyone have a suggestion for spring Bluegill patterns? Thanks!

I have found the Pass Lake pattern to be very effective for spring Bluegills.

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Does anyone have a suggestion for spring Bluegill patterns? Thanks!

A black beadhead wooly bugger fished at sundown, and right after, did the trick for me today.

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I admit I may be missing out on something, but I have literally only used one fly for panfish and caught hundreds over the years: a tiny yellow cork/balsa popper! Throughout the summer, I have never felt the need to fish underwater, as bluegill are 100% willing 100% of the time to savage a surface fly. At least, this is the case around the mid-Atlantic region. I _always_ catch them right along the edges of rivers and streams, in the shade under the banks. Scott (who sometimes believes fishing with wet flies is a glorified form of bait fishing!)

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        Jack Ellis (author of The Sunfishes) and I publish a newsletter every month that is devoted entirely to warmwater fly fishing (esp. bluegills).  Anybody who’d like to receive a couple of free samples just needs to email me their postal address and full name.  We feature patterns and tying tips in each issue.                                                 Brian

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Bivisibles work great!!  Use soft hackles on a size 12 or 14 and fish as a wetfly.  Quick inch retrieves with pauses between seem to really excite gills.  This is a favorite technique (of mine) in weedy ponds.   Color preference varies with light conditions. DBZ

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writes: Does anyone have a suggestion for spring Bluegill patterns? Thanks!

   I haven’t fished for bluegills for 25 years, and rather miss them.  My experience: on the spawning beds, nearly anything works.  In the summer, when the fish are scattered and lying deeper, two patterns really worked well — black gnat (#10 or so) with or without the wings, and a sort of spider that the local hardware store sold for two bits which had a soft vinyl body (like those Creepy Crawlies that kids make) and rubber legs. Crappies seem to like larger flies, esp. tinsel bodied patterns, and light, bright colors, yellow, white, pink.  Bluegills seemed more interested in buggy, naturalistic colors, # 10 or smaller.  The vinyl-bodied bug (a slow sinker) was effective at least partly because the fish didn’t spit it out.  See if you can borrow the neighbor kid’s Mattell machine, perhaps?   — Kilchis

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: Does anyone have a suggestion for spring Bluegill patterns? Thanks! I tie a large elk hair caddis(size 10 or 12), tan or florescent body, furnace hackle and a gold rib.  Use about twice as much wing as normal, coat the clipped head with Sally Hansens and you have a fly that dives pulling a lot of air under with the over large wing. Good luck, Bob Capistrant

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tw Does anyone have a suggestion for spring Bluegill patterns? Thanks! i like to use a threadfin shad, maybe size 10-12. it is a very natural minnow imitation which in springtime is larger than the current year-class fry, but smaller than the previous year-class. that makes it a very tempting morsel both for crappies and the larger bluegills. i find that the smaller bluegills will eagerly go after small bugs (nymphs, gnats, etc) but will be a leetle more hesitant about attacking a minnow. hence the streamer seems to work well for mixed panfish beds (i.e. crappies, bluegills, in several year classes). but the threadfin shad is expensive! 2-3$ per. does anybody have a recipe for it? it would be great if i could manufacture them myself. i suppose the reason for the high price is that it has an epoxy body (???). it has a tiny tuft of marabou tail. the body has 3 black spots on each side. the body is silvery, dark back, light belly. the good news is that i only need 2-3 of them each spring, since each one will catch about 50 fish before it disintegrates. ra. — Richard Atkins              Phone: (612) 951-7339           Honeywell Technology Center FAX:   (612) 951-7438 MN65-2200     3660 Technology Drive                                      

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Does anyone have a suggestion for spring Bluegill patterns? Thanks!

Tom: Here’s a suggestion on something called a "Pus Fly" (don’t blame me, I didn’t name it).  I read about it on the wall of Jene Hughes’ fly shop in Des Moines, the 2nd. Ave. Bait Shop, and have been using it for two seasons now. Use a size 8-12 3x nymph hook and chartreuse thread.  Tie in a piece of bead chain so the hook rides upside down.  Tie the chain "eyes" about a quarter of an inch back from the eye of the hook.  Tie in a short tail of chartreuse marabou, and then tie a stubby body of some sort of chartreuse material (I’ve used chenille, ice chenille, body wool, and even floss) to just behind the bead eyes.   Tie in one or two turns of chartreuse or green hackle.  Finish by building cross-tying around the bead eyes and then tapering a kind of long, sloping nose down to the hook eye.  Coat the nose fairly heavily with head cement (you’ll catch a LOT of fish on each fly).  The finished fly has a little resemblance to a Crazy Charlie bonefish fly. You can also tie them in purple, black, orange, and white (sort of my descending order of preference). My most effective way to fish it is anywhere from 18" to 4 feet under a fair-size bass or bluegill popper.  The popper acts as a strike indicator but also can catch a lot of fish on its own. The ice just went out on our farm ponds about three weeks ago, and I’ve already caught several dozen pretty nice ‘gills on these flies.  They seem to work particularly well during early spring and late fall, but will work all year. Enjoy, Bob

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I am wanting some suggestions for good trout fly fishing in the mountains of western north carolina.  I am new to this art and any help would be appreciated. — Michael Ebbs Center for Communications and Signal Processing North Carolina State University

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<< am lookin for information on the western half of North Carolina… In the Ashville area, the fly shop of choice for info is Hunter Banks. I like to fish the Pisgah National Forest, specifically the Davidson River but there are many other near by from GA to Va. If you want your trout easy & big the Cherokee reservation has some tribal stocked waters which they will sell you daily permits. The national park has an abundance of streams.   Also suggest the rivers in the Joyce Kilmer nat forest, as well as the French Broad around Ashville. There is also  fly shop in Cashiers and near Blowing Rock (different shop) for additional info, but the guys at Hunter Banks will give you so much info, you’ll not be able to digest it all at once. Good Luck Wayne Knight — Wayne Knight CSERVE, 71151, 2762

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Just got back from a visit to my folks in Waynesville.  Took a tour of the eastern edge of the Great Smokies.  The Catalooche, and Big Creek in that area are both good although the fish apparently can be a little picky on the Catalooche.  Both streams are gorgeous and as a rule not crowded due to relatively limited road access.

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Am planning a business trip in late Oct. in the Seattle and Vancouver area.  Is there any flyfishing to be had in that region during this part of the year.  Either fresh or salt water? Would appreciate any advice. Thanks Thom

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(ThomSmith1) writes:

Thom, if you have time you might consider the Yakima River about two hours east of Seattle. It is a catch and release river that usually provides better than average fishing. If it fits in your plans, feel free to e-mail me for additional information. Rand Elliott

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| |     fishing AND backpacking AND caving AND biking AND…oh well | I couldn’t have said it better myself, and, you beat me to it! Not only is it more and more difficult to find a  male fishing partner as we all (stretch) get on in years, but such a female companion is amost an oxymoron.  One of these days I would really like someone to prove me wrong on that point…nudge,

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| |     fishing AND backpacking AND caving AND biking AND…oh well | I couldn’t have said it better myself, and, you beat me to it! Not only is it more and more difficult to find a  male fishing partner as we all (stretch) get on in years, but such a female companion is amost an oxymoron.  One of these days I would really like someone to prove me wrong on that point…nudge, Believe me, we exist!

Peggy                             "A friend walks in when everyone                                    else walks out"

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|   | Believe me, we exist! |   | Peggy                             "A friend walks in when everyone |                                    else walks out"    At least my faith has been restored  Now, if I can just find y’all (must be looking in the wrong    places, or hell, maybe it’s just me!) and catch a few trout this weekend, life’ll be perfect!    On another note, anyone out there know anything about the fishing conditions on the Perquimans River    in eastern NC?  I was telling someone about this river (used to be GREAT fishing on it, especially in    creeks) but it’s been years since I’ve been there…Last time I was the grass was so dense it was    real hard to fish thru…It used to go in cycles, a few years full of duckweed, a few years of almost    no grass, then back to tons of seaweed…How is it these days?  I’d hate to recommend a place that’s    difficult to fish…                                                         — scott

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| |     fishing AND backpacking AND caving AND biking AND…oh well | I couldn’t have said it better myself, and, you beat me to it! Not only is it more and more difficult to find a  male fishing partner as we all (stretch) get on in years, but such a female companion is amost an oxymoron.  One of these days I would really like someone to prove me wrong on that point…nudge,

Never they are out there to be found!! My wife is an example she loves rock hunting, spelunking(caving), fishing , hunting , camping, everything I always wanted. Don’t give up they are there. —    Spike                                 "Life is fun enjoy while you can"                                           I enjoy short-term "Investing"!

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Hi, I’m female and I love to fish! I even put the worms, live bait, etc. on the hook, and I even take the fish off the hook     myself (except for if it has big teeth!).  I’d rather be fishing right now!   Carol

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| Hi, | | I’m female and I love to fish! I even put the worms, live bait, etc. on the hook, and I even take the fish off the hook     | myself (except for if it has big teeth!).  I’d rather be fishing right now!   |   | Carol    Damn, and I live in Virginia!!!  ;-)                                 — scott

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| That s rry on the bride and groom and the bass boat is nothing…. | Oops, typo….story that is…. | I proposed to my wife during a moose hunting trip in northern Quebec (she | said afterwards she’d want it no other way).  She allows me to spends huge | amounts of money for hunting/fishing gear, and usually outshoots me at | grouse hunting.  But fishing…..now that’s where she comes to life!  You | take her fishing in the surf and camp on the beach.  She’s up before dawn | and waits until it’s light enough to see, and only returns for lunch and | when it gets dark!  And that’s even if the water’s dirty and nothing’s | biting!  She just won’t quit!  When a shark started taking fish off my | stringer, she just moved away from me.  She busted a rod last year on a | sting ray.  She almost always outfishes me, and sometimes guys are out | there trying to see what colors of plastics she’s using BEFORE she starts | catching them.  She plans on trying a little fly fishing in the surf this | year.  The only time she’s tried it was in Vermont with me, when she ended | up taking a swim in February.  The mild case of hypothermia didn’t faze her | one bit.  If somebody is hardcore, she’s it.  It’s scary.  And it’s that’s | not enough, she’s "model-quality" beautiful, and finishing her last year | of her veterinary degree at LSU so she can earn far more than I do.  Why | she loves me I’ll never know   |       | Andre |     fishing AND backpacking AND caving AND biking AND…oh well     By the way, anyone from Va have any suggestions for what flies might work     this coming weekend, besides the ole standbys?  Going out Sunday and need     to replenish my flies (lost 1, broke 1 and 3 came unraveled last week)…     I saw what looked like a mayfly while I was hiking but I’m not sure…I     haven’t decided if I’m going to the Bullpasture or somewhere in the     Shenendoah…                                         — scott

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To the other extreme: some types of salmon and steelhead fishing intentionally uses the waking action of a dry fly to attract strikes.  I’ll let someone with more experience speak on that one.  Of course, nymphing is a whole different ball game!!                               Scott

Sure is a fun way to catch late summer/fall steelhead. Sometimes they sip the fly down and barely make a ripple, other times they slash wildly at it, sometimes multiple times before they get a hold of it. You can vary the speed of the fly by up or downstream mends, thereby increasing or decreasing the extent of the commotion caused by your deliberately dragging fly. Often a change of pace will bring up a sullen fish.  Not the easiest way to actually hook fish…I rise or see many more fish than I hook, but it’s fun just to see them come up for the fly.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Steve

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[stuff about making own leaders deleted] Darryl, just a small suggestion re staightening your leader out. Find something solid to tie the tippet end to , I use my foot or a handy small tree. Grasp the butt end of the leader and  straighten the it out, putting about 3-5lb of pressure on it constantly for about 2 min.

A simpler way is to get a small piece of rubber, maybe 2"X3"X1/8", and fold it over the leader and then pull the leader through it.  This does 2 things.  First, the tension straightens the leader, and second, the rubber deglosses the mono.  You don’t need a tree, and if you forget to do it before you get out on the water, you can carry the thing in your vest and fix the leader. I have a special piece of leather with a rubber facing that I got from somewhere sometime in the distant past.  It still works, but the key thing is the rubber.  I’ve also used the rubber grippers that you use to open vacuum sealed jars. Barry Smith

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [stuff about making own leaders deleted] Darryl, just a small suggestion re staightening your leader out. Find something solid to tie the tippet end to , I use my foot or a handy small tree. Grasp the butt end of the leader and  straighten the it out, putting about 3-5lb of pressure on it constantly for about 2 min. A simpler way is to get a small piece of rubber, maybe 2"X3"X1/8", and fold it over the leader and then pull the leader through it.  This does 2 things.  First, the tension straightens the leader, and second, the rubber deglosses the mono.  You don’t need a tree, and if you forget to do it before you get out on the water, you can carry the thing in your vest and fix the leader. I have a special piece of leather with a rubber facing that I got from somewhere sometime in the distant past.  It still works, but the key thing is the rubber.  I’ve also used the rubber grippers that you use to open vacuum sealed jars.

I use an old leather key fob.  I took out the stitching and glued two pieces of rubber on the inside.  The best part is the key fob already has a metal ring on it for attaching to a Simms retractor. — John Fereira, posting from historic Pleasanton, Ca.               Home of "The Nooner"

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Too much previous text to deal with…but another comment on straightening fly leaders.  This topic can be debated and has been in some fly books. There may be instances where having a straight leader isn’t the best solution. In the local spring creeks, with many different current flows, you actually want your leader to land on the water in a series of loose "coils".  These coils allow the line more "give" in adjusting for the differences in current.  With the added slack in the line (assuming you are fishing dry flies here), your fly has a longer "drag-free" drift.  One of the biggest problems in fishing finicky trout in spring creeks is avoiding your dry dragging across the surface.  You can find discussions of this in books by Joe Humphries and Charles Meck. To the other extreme: some types of salmon and steelhead fishing intentionally uses the waking action of a dry fly to attract strikes.  I’ll let someone with more experience speak on that one.  Of course, nymphing is a whole different ball game!!                               Scott

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A simpler way is to get a small piece of rubber, maybe 2"X3"X1/8", and fold it over the leader and then pull the leader through it.  This does 2 things.  First, the tension straightens the leader, and second, the rubber deglosses the mono.  You don’t need a tree, and if you forget to do it before you get out on the water, you can carry the thing in your vest and fix the leader.

It works – but be careful.  Pulling the leader through the rubber will also heat it considerably depending on the number of times and the speed of the pullings.  The heating will reduce the strength of the leader, especially the shock and knot strength.  Test it for yourself and see. This is not much of a problem in the heavier butt section but can be critical in the tippet.

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I guess I’m just cheap. An old bike innertube has supplied me with a lifetime supply of leader straighteners. 2×2 on a zinger. — Alan McConkie Opinions are mine alone, etc.

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A simpler way is to get a small piece of rubber, maybe 2"X3"X1/8", and fold it over the leader and then pull the leader through it.  This does 2 things.  First, the tension straightens the leader, and second, the rubber deglosses the mono.  You don’t need a tree, and if you forget to do it before you get out on the water, you can carry the thing in your vest and fix the leader.

Along the line of the piece of rubber for use as a leader straightener, here’s what has worked many years for me:   Find an old bicycle innertube, and cut off a chunk about 3" long so that you have a 3" tube.  Then poke a hole straight through both sides of one end with one of those metal shower curtain clips.  Then hang the clip with piece of rubber from the hole in a zipper pull on an inside pocket. It’s out of the way, handy when needed, practically impossible to wear out, and…it works.  As mentioned by a previous posting, it takes a little practice to get the right touch so you can pull a ten foot leader through it without getting it too hot or breaking it.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [stuff about making own leaders deleted] Darryl, just a small suggestion re staightening your leader out. Find something solid to tie the tippet end to , I use my foot or a handy small tree. Grasp the butt end of the leader and  straighten the it out, putting about 3-5lb of pressure on it constantly for about 2 min. A simpler way is to get a small piece of rubber, maybe 2"X3"X1/8", and fold it over the leader and then pull the leader through it.  This does 2 things.  First, the tension straightens the leader, and second, the rubber deglosses the mono.  You don’t need a tree, and if you forget to do it before you get out on the water, you can carry the thing in your vest and fix the leader. I have a special piece of leather with a rubber facing that I got from somewhere sometime in the distant past.  It still works, but the key thing is the rubber.  I’ve also used the rubber grippers that you use to open vacuum sealed jars. Barry Smith

Those little rubber patches in bicycle tire repair kits work great!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Too much previous text to deal with…but another comment on straightening fly leaders.  This topic can be debated and has been in some fly books. There may be instances where having a straight leader isn’t the best solution. In the local spring creeks, with many different current flows, you actually want your leader to land on the water in a series of loose "coils".  These coils allow the line more "give" in adjusting for the differences in current.  With the added slack in the line (assuming you are fishing dry flies here), your fly has a longer "drag-free" drift.  One of the biggest problems in fishing finicky trout in spring creeks is avoiding your dry dragging across the surface.  You can find discussions of this in books by Joe Humphries and Charles Meck. To the other extreme: some types of salmon and steelhead fishing intentionally uses the waking action of a dry fly to attract strikes.  I’ll let someone with more experience speak on that one.  Of course, nymphing is a whole different ball game!!                               Scott

Its been my experience that a coiled leader tends to absorb the casting energy instead of transferring it down to, and turning over, the fly. The leader then tends to land in a heap. If the leader is straight, but you use a thinner tippet just a tad too long, the tippet then lands in nice "S" curves that compensate for the cross currents. ..Darryl Hayashida

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Re: Leaders I have found that the Orvis Braided leaders are a boon to fishermankind. For a couple of bucks you can get a several foot braided leader that you attach with a loop to loop connection.  Then you may attach a few feet of the appropriate tippet.  I have found that I can use a length of regular mono, in a pinch.  Further you can CHEAPLY use some of the wonderful tippet materials available. Casts like majic…. Mark

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In a recent message, you wrote;                           Re: Leaders I have found that the Orvis Braided leaders are a boon to fishermankind. For a couple of bucks you can get a several foot braided leader that you attach with a loop to loop connection.  Then you may attach a few feet of the appropriate tippet.  I have found that I can use a length of regular mono, in a pinch.  Further you can CHEAPLY use some of the wonderful tippet materials available. Casts like majic….

    I agree. My cousin works for Orvis, Greg Comar, and he sent me some to try three years ago. I never looked back! It has improved my casting 10 6th  percent!     Great stuff!     MARK | Pembroke, NH 03275    | n1men.ampr.org_44.52.7.8    | | 603-485-5852          | Have a Nice Day!            | — * UniQWK v3.3 * The Solution for Multilingual Messages — | Pembroke, NH 03275    | n1men.ampr.org_44.52.7.8    | | (603) 485-5852        | Have a Nice Day!            |

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lhdsy1!uunet!gossip.pyramid.com!decwrl!ames!pacbell.com!att-out!oucsace!sun !mal – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Organization: Productivity OnLine   513-333-3111 Lines: 12 Re: Leaders I have found that the Orvis Braided leaders are a boon to fishermankind. For a couple of bucks you can get a several foot braided leader that you attach with a loop to loop connection.  Then you may attach a few feet of the appropriate tippet.  I have found that I can use a length of regular mono, in a pinch.  Further you can CHEAPLY use some of the wonderful tippet materials available. Casts like majic…. Mark

Just a *friendly* question, I’m curious, not trying to flame anybody. Have you tried making your own knotted leaders? I’ve used the Orvis tapered mono leaders and the braided leaders. Then I tried constructing my own using the Orvis leader kit. I find that I can turn over the leader and fly much easier using the knotted leaders. The only problem I’ve run across is the leader material likes to stay coiled, but once the coils are stretched out (takes a while though) it turns over nicely. I construct the leader using the loop to loop attachment to the fly line and tippet. Makes tippet changes a matter of a couple of seconds. ….Darryl Hayashida

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Path: lhdsy1!uunet!gossip.pyramid.com!decwrl!ames!pacbell.com!att-out!oucsace!su n!mal Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Organization: Productivity OnLine   513-333-3111 Lines: 12 Re: Leaders I have found that the Orvis Braided leaders are a boon to fishermankind. For a couple of bucks you can get a several foot braided leader that you attach with a loop to loop connection.  Then you may attach a few feet of the appropriate tippet.  I have found that I can use a length of regular mono, in a pinch.  Further you can CHEAPLY use some of the wonderful tippet materials available. Casts like majic…. Mark Just a *friendly* question, I’m curious, not trying to flame anybody. Have you tried making your own knotted leaders? I’ve used the Orvis tapered mono leaders and the braided leaders. Then I tried constructing my own using the Orvis leader kit. I find that I can turn over the leader and fly much easier using the knotted leaders. The only problem I’ve run across is the leader material likes to stay coiled, but once the coils are stretched out (takes a while though) it turns over nicely. I construct the leader using the loop to loop attachment to the fly line and tippet. Makes tippet changes a matter of a couple of seconds. …..Darryl Hayashi

Darryl, just a small suggestion re staightening your leader out. Find something solid to tie the tippet end to , I use my foot or a handy small tree. Grasp the butt end of the leader and  straighten the it out, putting about 3-5lb of pressure on it constantly for about 2 min. This creates heat in the leader material and gets rid of the set that it has taken on the reel. At this point I tie on a fresh tippet (the last 2 ft or so) and go fishing. Tight lines

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