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July 24,25.26,27  Gosh, I hope you can make it.  You are going to be missing a wonderful party if you dont.  LOL

I  put it on my calendar, I have been watching the fares.  It is on a weekend so there is not too much time off.  It would be a blast  to attend one of the Midwest/East coast gimpfests.  – MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My son rowed the Middle Fork last year and came back saying he wants to move to Idaho. He’s applied for this year too, also in June. I’ll have to call him today to see if he’s heard yet. Did you get an early enough date to be able to contiunue on down the main part of the river? That’s their strategy- I guess there’s a window of opportunity if the timing is right. Usually it is the Middlefork that has the limitation on water the first day or until you reach Indian Creek, then the flow almost doubles.  Main Salmon is always runnable.  It is a lousy water year, but I am hoping runoff will last long enough to get us through the first day or 2 after that the flows increase. I can imagine your son loved it, it is  an amazing river even after all the fires.  – MZ

Well, it’s not too late to pray for more snow! last year April was very productive I understand. All this talk–has me dreaming about kayaking the Green River again. I did that a number of years ago before I got RA.  Flat water but wonderful. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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We will also try to get a permit for the Main Salmon.  If we can score a permit for the main stem Salmon it means we will do the Middlefork then float down to the put-in on the Main Salmon and do back to back trips totaling about 200 miles.

Ooops, obviously I didn’t read on down the thread before posting! too exciting! Cynthia

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My son rowed the Middle Fork last year and came back saying he wants to move to Idaho. He’s applied for this year too, also in June. I’ll have to call him today to see if he’s heard yet. Did you get an early enough date to be able to contiunue on down the main part of the river? That’s their strategy- I guess there’s a window of opportunity if the timing is right.

Usually it is the Middlefork that has the limitation on water the first day or until you reach Indian Creek, then the flow almost doubles.  Main Salmon is always runnable.  It is a lousy water year, but I am hoping runoff will last long enough to get us through the first day or 2 after that the flows increase. I can imagine your son loved it, it is  an amazing river even after all the fires.  – MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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Thank you for the compliment.  I hope we have a good flow in June for you. It is beautiful.  I packed back into Big Creek, a tributary of the Salmon, on horses when I was 18.  Dad and Unc were after goats and sheep.  They filled both.  It was literally an experience of a lifetime.  I am now 56 and Dad and Unc are 83 and 79.  Wish we had more pictures. I wish you the best and I can imagine how excited you are.

You have a beautiful State and the Middlefork is really magical, it is one of my most favorite rivers (and I have done a fair number of rivers).  I put it in the top 3 right next to the Grand Canyon. You can’t compare the Grand and Middlefork they are apples and oranges.  I always try to read the history when I go.  I have read about the Sheepeaters and the wars.  If we get a Main Salmon permit we go right past the Polly Beamis homestead.  I love reading river lore.  I read the book Thousand Pieces of Gold about Polly Beamis when I ran the Salmon.  On the Rogue I enjoy reading Hathaway Jones stories out loud; everyone gets into hysterics, they are tall tales.  Fun to dig out the history.   If you have any good book suggestions for that area let me know. Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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What a blast we will be launching in June!

Hmmmmm.  Does that free you up for Gimpfest in July? Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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What a blast we will be launching in June! Hmmmmm.  Does that free you up for Gimpfest in July? Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. We’re all in this together."  Red Green

When is the Gimpfest?  I have a request  in Travelocity to watch for good fares to Des Moines.  We will be gone until early July,  a bit longer if the Main Sa;lmon permit is obtained. — MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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July 24-27 http://www.fadedjeans.com/iowa/ Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What a blast we will be launching in June! Hmmmmm.  Does that free you up for Gimpfest in July? Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. We’re all in this together."  Red Green When is the Gimpfest?  I have a request  in Travelocity to watch for good fares to Des Moines.  We will be gone until early July,  a bit longer if the Main Sa;lmon permit is obtained. — MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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July 24,25.26,27  Gosh, I hope you can make it.  You are going to be missing a wonderful party if you dont.  LOL Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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I just got the word one of my boating buddies drew a permit for the Idaho’s Middlefork of the Salmon!   I love rowing the Middlefork it is one of my all time favorite rivers and an extremely difficult permit to get.  What a blast we will be launching in June!  Sorry I know this is way OTP but this is really exciting news. — MZ

Lucky You! My son rowed the Middle Fork last year and came back saying he wants to move to Idaho. He’s applied for this year too, also in June. I’ll have to call him today to see if he’s heard yet. Did you get an early enough date to be able to contiunue on down the main part of the river? That’s their strategy- I guess there’s a window of opportunity if the timing is right. Cynthia

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Have you ever examined the info on the Sheepeater Indians?  They populated the area and that is where the petroglyphs came from.  You can still see depressions in some of the banks that were where they camped. — Val in Boise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We will also try to get a permit for the Main Salmon.  If we can score a permit for the main stem Salmon it means we will do the Middlefork then float down to the put-in on the Main Salmon and do back to back trips totaling about 200 miles.  We did the Middlefork last in 1997 managed to pick-up a canceled permit for the Main Salmon 2 days before we departed for the trip.  It is awesome crystal clear water, canyons, mountains, hot springs, elk, big horn, petroglyphs, and the best fly fishing you will find anywhere.  First day of the Middlefork is non-stop rapids, not overwhelming but you have to pay attention. Our party usually breaks at least 1 oar in that stretch because it is shallow. Picking up a canceled permits mean we have to call almost every day starting in late March. This is one of the classic western river trips.  I have been bouncing off the walls all day.  – MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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Thank you for the compliment.  I hope we have a good flow in June for you. It is beautiful.  I packed back into Big Creek, a tributary of the Salmon, on horses when I was 18.  Dad and Unc were after goats and sheep.  They filled both.  It was literally an experience of a lifetime.  I am now 56 and Dad and Unc are 83 and 79.  Wish we had more pictures. I wish you the best and I can imagine how excited you are. — Val in Boise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got the word one of my boating buddies drew a permit for the Idaho’s Middlefork of the Salmon!   I love rowing the Middlefork it is one of my all time favorite rivers and an extremely difficult permit to get.  What a blast we will be launching in June!  Sorry I know this is way OTP but this is really exciting news. — MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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I just got the word one of my boating buddies drew a permit for the Idaho’s Middlefork of the Salmon!   I love rowing the Middlefork it is one of my all time favorite rivers and an extremely difficult permit to get.  What a blast we will be launching in June!  Sorry I know this is way OTP but this is really exciting news. — MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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Sent this along to John. You just never know. Duckie I just got the word one of my boating buddies drew a permit for the Idaho’s Middlefork of the Salmon!   I love rowing the Middlefork it is one of my all time favorite rivers and an extremely difficult permit to get.  What a blast we will be launching in June!  Sorry I know this is way OTP but this is really exciting news. — MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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I just got the word one of my boating buddies drew a permit for the Idaho’s Middlefork of the Salmon!   I love rowing the Middlefork it is one of my all time favorite rivers and an extremely difficult permit to get.  What a blast we will be launching in June!  Sorry I know this is way OTP but this is really exciting news. — MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

Wonderful!  How are you gonna stand the wait until June? — Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me "To array a man’s will against his sickness is the supreme art of medicine." …Henry Ward Beecher

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Welll as usual, I will expect a vicarious thrill.  Congrats M

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We will also try to get a permit for the Main Salmon.  If we can score a permit for the main stem Salmon it means we will do the Middlefork then float down to the put-in on the Main Salmon and do back to back trips totaling about 200 miles.  We did the Middlefork last in 1997 managed to pick-up a canceled permit for the Main Salmon 2 days before we departed for the trip.  It is awesome crystal clear water, canyons, mountains, hot springs, elk, big horn, petroglyphs, and the best fly fishing you will find anywhere.  First day of the Middlefork is non-stop rapids, not overwhelming but you have to pay attention. Our party usually breaks at least 1 oar in that stretch because it is shallow. Picking up a canceled permits mean we have to call almost every day starting in late March. This is one of the classic western river trips.  I have been bouncing off the walls all day.  – MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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We ran along the Deerfield for a good stretch. I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much floating plastic, rubber, and styrofoam in one place, ever. /daytripper (water looked low, slow, and warm, too…)

The two raft/kayak/tube outfitters in Zoar pretty much clog the river on weekends.  You have to fish dawn and dusk and pray the water level’s right. A real crap shoot considering the drive time and the lack of alternatives in the area.

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The two raft/kayak/tube outfitters in Zoar pretty much clog the river on weekends.  You have to fish dawn and dusk and pray the water level’s right. A real crap shoot considering the drive time and the lack of alternatives in the area.

Are there trout in the little river that runs up Route 2 as is climbs up through the State Forest to Florida, MA, just past Berkshire East? — Gary M

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The two raft/kayak/tube outfitters in Zoar pretty much clog the river on weekends.  You have to fish dawn and dusk and pray the water level’s right. A real crap shoot considering the drive time and the lack of alternatives in the area. Are there trout in the little river that runs up Route 2 as is climbs up through the State Forest to Florida, MA, just past Berkshire East?

Sounds like the Cold River, which isn’t mentioned in TU’s guide for MA trout waters…

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Sounds like the Cold River, which isn’t mentioned in TU’s guide for MA trout waters…

Yes that sounds correct. I do see the ubquitous Salmon Parr/Trout differentiation signs on the trees up there though? — Gary M

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I grew up in Springfield MA but haven’t fished the Farmington in MA for at least 8 years.  I used to regularly fish the Deerfield, Westfield, Swift, and  the Nissi when I lived in Boston and my brother lived in Southwick.  I live in NJ now and mainly fish the Farmington and Housie in CT if I’m not exploring PA’s streams and trails. Bill Bill, Can you recommend any good spots along the Deerfield?  Drove

along it the other day, water level was very low but looked like the river had promise.  I live in CT but am always in search of good water. Jim

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Bill, Can you recommend any good spots along the Deerfield?  Drove along it the other day, water level was very low but looked like the river had promise.  I live in CT but am always in search of good water. Jim

The best places on the Deerfield are close to the Fife Brook Dam – without the cold water releases from Fife the river would be too hot for trout this year… Here are maps of the two C&R areas on the upper Deerfield: http://www.jacksmola.com/deerfield_upper.html http://www.jacksmola.com/deerfield_lower.html Be aware that the dam releases water for hydro power and the areas near the dam fluctuate between low water and dangerous.  If you want to try the area, be sure to check the release schedule (which is often wrong) at 1-888-356-3663. Press 1 & 6 when prompted. You can get a good idea of the releases by checking the stream flow gauge: http://mass1.er.usgs.gov/rt-cgi/gen_stn_pg?station=01170000 It looks like the releases are way down the past couple of days, so things could be very good indeed… This gauge is way downstream from the Fife Brook dam – near the Connecticut river.  The times of high flow are a couple of hours delayed compared to the main release.  There are also several other dams between Fife and West Deerfield that do secondary releases that slow down the surge. The whole river is accessible by roads and pretty much any place there’s a pullout is worth a look,  Just be aware that the lower you get, the slower and warmer the water will be.  Wherever you fish, make sure you know your exit route if the water starts coming up. –Stan

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I’ve got to agree (and defer) with Stan.  Fife is probably the best place but I haven’t fished the Deerfield in 2 years since I moved to NJ so I don’t know the condition of the river.  Fife was always consistent though.  Most likely I’ll make a trip up this fall. As Stan points out, remember to watch the water.  It comes up fast. —

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| Bill, Can you recommend any good spots along the Deerfield?  Drove | along it the other day, water level was very low but looked like the | river had promise.  I live in CT but am always in search of good | water. | Jim | | The best places on the Deerfield are close to the Fife Brook Dam – without | the cold water releases from Fife the river would be too hot for trout this | year… | | Here are maps of the two C&R areas on the upper Deerfield: | http://www.jacksmola.com/deerfield_upper.html | http://www.jacksmola.com/deerfield_lower.html | | Be aware that the dam releases water for hydro power and the areas near the | dam fluctuate between low water and dangerous.  If you want to try the area, | be sure to check the release schedule (which is often wrong) at | 1-888-356-3663. Press 1 & 6 when prompted. | | You can get a good idea of the releases by checking the stream flow gauge: | http://mass1.er.usgs.gov/rt-cgi/gen_stn_pg?station=01170000 | | It looks like the releases are way down the past couple of days, so things | could be very good indeed… | | This gauge is way downstream from the Fife Brook dam – near the Connecticut | river.  The times of high flow are a couple of hours delayed compared to the | main release.  There are also several other dams between Fife and West | Deerfield that do secondary releases that slow down the surge. | | The whole river is accessible by roads and pretty much any place there’s a | pullout is worth a look,  Just be aware that the lower you get, the slower | and warmer the water will be.  Wherever you fish, make sure you know your | exit route if the water starts coming up. | | –Stan | |

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http://www.jacksmola.com/deerfield_lower.html

The only time I fished the Deerfield was a little below the Yankee Power Plant. I did not do well, plus, as I thought the plant will still operating I was really uncomfortable standing in the water. Any comment on this stretch? I don’t think these maps are of this stretch are they? — Gary M

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The only time I fished the Deerfield was a little below the Yankee Power Plant. I did not do well, plus, as I thought the plant will still operating I was really uncomfortable standing in the water. Any comment on this stretch? I don’t think these maps are of this stretch are they?

I believe the road to Rowe is just upstream of the Cold River (Rowe Rd.)?  I haven’t fished upstream from the Cold River  in years except just below Fife Brook Dam.  So, yes, I think that map is of the stretch you’re thinking of, and while I don’t have any recent firsthand knowledge about that section, Jack Smola has told me good stories about it.  The section I’m most familiar with is downstream a ways, below Bardwell’s Ferry down to the South River. I spent many days fishing that section and used to really love the riffle just below the South River.  I have stayed away from the Deerfield for several years because of the big daytime releases from Fife (that and the river runners). –Stan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only time I fished the Deerfield was a little below the Yankee Power Plant. I did not do well, plus, as I thought the plant will still operating I was really uncomfortable standing in the water. Any comment on this stretch? I don’t think these maps are of this stretch are they? I believe the road to Rowe is just upstream of the Cold River (Rowe Rd.)?  I haven’t fished upstream from the Cold River  in years except just below Fife Brook Dam.  So, yes, I think that map is of the stretch you’re thinking of, and while I don’t have any recent firsthand knowledge about that section, Jack Smola has told me good stories about it.  The section I’m most familiar with is downstream a ways, below Bardwell’s Ferry down to the South River. I spent many days fishing that section and used to really love the riffle just below the South River.  I have stayed away from the Deerfield for several years because of the big daytime releases from Fife (that and the river runners).

Sunday afternoon on the way back from visiting #1 Son at Cornell we avoided a monster jam on the Pike by winding our way northeast on the back roads. Gorgeous day and an engaging drive. We ran along the Deerfield for a good stretch. I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much floating plastic, rubber, and styrofoam in one place, ever. /daytripper (water looked low, slow, and warm, too…)

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Mike: http://www.valley.net/~ThomasAmes/insects/mayfly/needhami.htm Sometimes called a blue-wing olive, and a chocolate spinner. –Stan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy Bill      I am a Ct. resident and don’t know what a Needhami is could you enlighten me or anyone else as far as that goes Picture maybe???                    Handyman Mike         Standing in a river waving a stick

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Pretty much.  The one I was using was a dun pattern tied on a 26 hook.  Just a dark brown/black body with a gray CDC post wing and no hackle.  Nice and simple.  My brother was lucky with a size 24 BWO dun.  Different body color but the same wing profile and color.  Leads me to believe they were keying into the wing, not the body. Then again, a few hit a size 14 Tan hair caddis with a lot of grizzly hackle palmered on the body.  Go figure. Bill —

| Mike: | | http://www.valley.net/~ThomasAmes/insects/mayfly/needhami.htm | | Sometimes called a blue-wing olive, and a chocolate spinner. | | –Stan |

| Howdy Bill |      I am a Ct. resident and don’t know what a Needhami is could you | enlighten | me or anyone else as far as that goes Picture maybe??? | | | |                    Handyman Mike |         Standing in a river waving a stick | | |

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Thanks as i am still new to learning what flies are what getting better all the time but alot to learn still.                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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| from the Classic and Custom Flyshop website | (http://www.classicandcustomflyshop.com): | | "Here are some tips on how to peg the needhami hatch . The needhami spinners | need an air temp of 80 to fall.  The hatch is pretty consistent about 9-10 | am each day . However the spinners are air temp sensitive, 80 seems to be | what they like and when the air over the water hits 80 they come down IN | MASS no matter what time it is.  Here on the Farmington you have to remember | that the river is a tail water, the water stays cold and  the cold water | effects the air over the water.  The river will chill the air over it by as | much as 6-8 feet, the less the humidity the higher the effect is in the air, | the higher the effect the latter the spinner drop.  Needhami spinners mass | high in the air as much as 30-50 feet above the surface and fall in mass . | They will start down to the rivers surface hang over the river and then | return to the trees if the air temp over the water is to cold. They hit the | cold air and return to the trees, they will do this time and time again | until they feel that the air temp has hit the 80 mark.  On a clear day with | no humidity this may take as long as early afternoon.  On those days when | the humidity is high and the air sultry get to the river by 9 am and the | spinners will be falling.  This happens because the heavy moist air has | pushed the cold air coming off the surface of the water down , and the air | temp over the water reaches 80 fast.  Some times this humid air can have a | dramatic effect on the conditions and will cause a fog to form over the | water. | | If you run into this wait until the fog lifts as needhami will not fall | through the fog.  Needhami can come off from mid morning to midday along | with a spinner drop in early afternoon. | | The spinner of this fly is very important on the river, but falls almost | unseen by many anglers.  When needhami returns to the water in mass it lays | down its wings and dies . The wings are flat on the surface of the water, | and all but disappear.  Anglers are looking down for the fly on the surface | of the water and view needhami against the dark background of the rivers | bottom.  What they see is just the rich brown body about the size of a pin | head.  This is all but impossible for most anglers to pick out . | | However when the spinner is viewed from the bottom as the fish would look at | it they are looking at the fly against a light background [ the sky ] and | the body and wing are very visible to them.  On sunny days the wings of | needhami when viewed as a fish,  appear like plastic wrap with a  light coat | of oil on them.  The spinner of needhami is the one time I prefer using poly | for the wings, and the sparkle spinner for sunny days. | | This hatch can last well over a month , the next time you are in a pool and | the fish are rising all around you and you can not see a thing on the | surface, or that needhami dun that worked all morning and the fish are still | rising and now ignoring the dun, try a needhami spinner or sparkle spinner | on a 9x tippet. | | The duns of needhami are a red/brown  with yellow legs , the spinners are a | very dark brown" | | — | | |

| | Howdy Bill | |      I am a Ct. resident and don’t know what a Needhami is could you | enlighten | | me or anyone else as far as that goes Picture maybe??? | | | | | | | |                    Handyman Mike | |         Standing in a river waving a stick | | | |

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Thank You very useful info. Does that apply to most rivers and streams that have a spinner hatch or just the Farmington.   When i was down in Pa. last month spinners were bobbing up and down as you described and then nothing there was a fog  air temp i am not sure water was warm as i was wet wading.and fish were rising at the Elk/Penns junction pool caught some on a dun but alot of fish wouldn’t even look at the dun.       Again Thanks                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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I can’t take credit for writing the info.  I cut and pasted it from the from the Classic and Custom Flyshop website (http://www.classicandcustomflyshop.com).  When spinner decide to come down depends on the fly.  Some like it hot, some like it cold (I’m leaving myself exposed here….).  What the fly does after it hits the water and how it looks when it’s dead also depend on each species.  I’m not a great expert on this behavior.  I’ve only been fly fishing for 10 years so I’m still learning myself. The site I listed above has some examples that relate to the Farmington but should work on most CT streams and rivers. Maybe someone else can pop in with a few examples. —

| Thank You very useful info. Does that apply to most rivers and streams that | have a spinner hatch or just the Farmington. |   When i was down in Pa. last month spinners were bobbing up and down as you | described and then nothing there was a fog  air temp i am not sure water was | warm as i was wet wading.and fish were rising at the Elk/Penns junction pool | caught some on a dun but alot of fish wouldn’t even look at the dun. | |       Again Thanks | | |                    Handyman Mike |         Standing in a river waving a stick |

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Howdy Bill      I am a Ct. resident and don’t know what a Needhami is could you enlighten me or anyone else as far as that goes Picture maybe???                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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<nice tr snipped Overall it was a slow day but it sure beat hanging out in the AC. —

Sure sounds like it.  Do you know what the water temp was?  Also, have you ever fished the Farmington in Mass? Dave

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My brother. Mike, and I fished the Farmington River Sunday.  We had a great day on the river.  lot of fishing but not a lot of catching.  We arrived at the River around 8:15 after a short stop at Up Country on Rt 44 to pick up some tricos (22s) and Needhami (26s).  I’m glad we stopped since they were just about the only flies the fish would take.  The river is lower and slower than the last time I fished it  about 3 weeks ago.  But there is still quite a bit of water and quite a few trout.  Abet, very finicky trout. [snipped] Overall it was a slow day but it sure beat hanging out in the AC.

Is this the Farmington River in Connecticut? If so, what was the water temperature??

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Is this the Farmington River in Connecticut? If so, what was the water temperature??

Classic & Custom Flyshop says it’s 68 degrees.

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Is this the Farmington River in Connecticut? If so, what was the water temperature?? Classic & Custom Flyshop says it’s 68 degrees.

If true, that’s amazingly low. Everything around here is bath water…

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If true, that’s amazingly low. Everything around here is bath water…

The CT Farmington is a cold water release tailwater. It is currently running quite low. 68 would be about normal at that level this time of year, but given the heat wave, it could exceed 70 at midafternoon in some of the lower TMA areas such as the Boneyard and Ovation. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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I didn’t have a thermometer with me but it was warmer than I’ve experienced lately.  As you’d expect, Pipeline was cooler (perceptively cooler) than Ovation.  I didn’t wet wade but I only had a pair of shorts on under the breathables.  Only "natural" insulation (and plenty of it!).  Dave at Classic and Custom had 68 degrees on his board.  Felt about right but maybe a little cooler at Pipeline.  Warm water probably caused inactivity and the lack of fish feeding on the surface (it could never have been the fishermen . FYI – The water wasn’t as low as I’ve seen it.  It’s low but the gravel at Ovation is still covered with just enough water to fool the canoe’rs I grew up in Springfield MA but haven’t fished the Farmington in MA for at least 8 years.  I used to regularly fish the Deerfield, Westfield, Swift, and  the Nissi when I lived in Boston and my brother lived in Southwick.  I live in NJ now and mainly fish the Farmington and Housie in CT if I’m not exploring PA’s streams and trails. Bill —

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| | <nice tr snipped | | Overall it was a slow day but it sure beat hanging out in the AC. | — | | Sure sounds like it.  Do you know what the water temp was?  Also, have you ever | fished the Farmington in Mass? | | Dave | | | | | | |

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Ovation was warm and there was very little activity.  I managed to pick up a couple of fish by sheer luck.  I was using dries, the guy upstream from me was nymphing and everyone was having a slow day.  There are fish but they are amazingly picky. Basically a good day for fishing and a lousy day for catching….. Didn’t mind it one bit….. —

| | If true, that’s amazingly low. Everything around here is bath water… | | The CT Farmington is a cold water release tailwater. It is currently running | quite low. 68 would be about normal at that level this time of year, but given | the heat wave, it could exceed 70 at midafternoon in some of the lower TMA | areas such as the Boneyard and Ovation. | | | George Adams | | "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was | worth the comin’ down." | ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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My brother. Mike, and I fished the Farmington River Sunday.  We had a great day on the river.  lot of fishing but not a lot of catching.  We arrived at the River around 8:15 after a short stop at Up Country on Rt 44 to pick up some tricos (22s) and Needhami (26s).  I’m glad we stopped since they were just about the only flies the fish would take.  The river is lower and slower than the last time I fished it  about 3 weeks ago.  But there is still quite a bit of water and quite a few trout.  Abet, very finicky trout. We started just downstream of Pipeline and fished up to the it.  FYI – The Gas Company is doing construction on the pipeline and have cleared all of the brush from the area around it.  We both picked up several 8 to 12 inch browns on both tricos and needhami.  Small fish but very strong and feisty. Mike lost a large fish that bent his 5# in half before snapping the 8X. Once the sun was high enough to chase away the shadows on the River we moved down stream, skipping the Church Pool and headed to the Boneyard.  We parked at the end of the access road and fished the upstream runs and riffles. Classic water.  Aside from dodging canoes and kayaks I had a good time Fishing.  We stayed until 2.  Picked up 2 browns, 1 on a size 12 isonychia comparadun and another on a size 14 tan caddis with a lot of palmered hackle.  Nice healthy 12 inch fish.  Mike picked up a few as well but he fished the slower flatter water farther upstream.   Decided to move again and went to Ovation.  After lunch we hit the water and for a while had the pool to ourselves.  Very slow going.  I picked up a 9inch brown just past the bridge head.  He was hanging just below the surface along side a large boulder.  I saw him from the shore and watch for a few minute.  My first cast looked like it was on the money until a salmon fry decided to swoop in. A few casts later I had the right float and he took the Needhami.  It was great to watch as he took the fly.  Nice strong fish for a 9"er.  Very fun on the 4#.  We stayed until 6:30 or so but only took a couple more fish apiece.  We moved back up to Pipeline hoping for a hatch or spinner fall that never materialized.  We stayed until I couldn’t see the white wulff I had tied on.  Mike picked up a 13 or 14 inch rainbow but I struck out. Overall it was a slow day but it sure beat hanging out in the AC. —

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I snuck out of the room a bit before 4am today, 400 miles and 6 hours later I was home, and now am at work. I don’t have time to write a report now, but will do so soon. We all had a great time and lot’s of nice fish to go around…it was real cool to meet all the people who showed up. More will follow, JonCook. — Are you a r.o.f.f. newbie? Then see http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF/

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Sometimes life just aint fair. They get to fish and miss muskie’s posts as well.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I snuck out of the room a bit before 4am today, 400 miles and 6 hours later I was home, and now am at work. I don’t have time to write a report now, but will do so soon. We all had a great time and lot’s of nice fish to go around…it was real cool to meet all the people who showed up. More will follow, JonCook. — Are you a r.o.f.f. newbie? Then see http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF/

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….More will follow…..

Aw, come on Jon, the suspense is killing us!  Who won? Wolfgang with finger poised over the 911 speed dial button

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Aw, come on Jon, the suspense is killing us!  Who won? Wolfgang with finger poised over the 911 speed dial button

Forty…I know its Forty.  Now, who am I supposed to collect that dozen flys from? — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!

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Aw, come on Jon, the suspense is killing us!  Who won? Wolfgang with finger poised over the 911 speed dial button Forty…I know its Forty.  Now, who am I supposed to collect that dozen flys from?

If they actually got into it, I suspect the real winner had the iodine and BandAid concession.  My guess it never came to anything, so it’d be who ever had closest to "415" in the "How many times will each one say ‘no, you first’ before _everyone_ falls asleep" pool. TC, R

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I wish I had time to recount the activities in question, but I’m late….. Danl (the white rabbit) PS Lots of nice fish, great company, and a great job by Bruce Hopper on the organizational side. Y’all shoudda been dere!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….More will follow….. Aw, come on Jon, the suspense is killing us!  Who won? Wolfgang with finger poised over the 911 speed dial button

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I wish I had time to recount the activities in question, but I’m late….. Danl (the white rabbit)

thought…..wonder if we should call the arlo…….    :( Wolfgang

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: More will follow, Sorry, still busy, I thought I might have time today, but hopefully tomorrow morning…as for what this thread morphed into, I will not address that ’cause clave reports ought to be about the positives, not some imaginary negatives that people are playing up… JonCook.

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: More will follow, Sorry, still busy, I thought I might have time today, but hopefully tomorrow morning…as for what this thread morphed into, I will not address that ’cause clave reports ought to be about the positives, not some imaginary negatives that people are playing up…

Curses, abashed again!    :) Wolfgang comfortable in the assumption that the blood letting was restricted to cold blooded species

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: More will follow, Sorry, still busy, I thought I might have time today, but hopefully tomorrow morning…as for what this thread morphed into, I will not address that ’cause clave reports ought to be about the positives, not some imaginary negatives that people are playing up… JonCook.

        wtf, jon, are you *really* the incarnate soul of tinker bell?         just curious.  my kids might want a couple autographed photos. wayno

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: More will follow, Sorry, still busy, I thought I might have time today, but hopefully tomorrow morning…as for what this thread morphed into, I will not address that ’cause clave reports ought to be about the positives, not some imaginary negatives that people are playing up… Curses, abashed again!    :) Wolfgang comfortable in the assumption that the blood letting was restricted to cold blooded species

Well, we’ve heard from Forty… /daytripper (rw? hallooooooo rw?)

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Well since there were four of us that made predictions (myself, Petah, Tripper and Wayne) I’ll ante up 1/3 the flies. Wayne, email me your address and I’ll tie some for you. Petah, Tripper, We fucked up we trusted Louie. Louie, tell us you at least got wet. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Aw, come on Jon, the suspense is killing us!  Who won? Wolfgang with finger poised over the 911 speed dial button Forty…I know its Forty.  Now, who am I supposed to collect that dozen flys from? — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!

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Jon, You got back a little before I did and beat me to it.  Now are you going to say just who was it that: 1.  Had horrible plane connections coming and going because of the mid-western (read Chicago) weather? 2.  Whose luggage was lost; at least overnight? 3.  Whose commode got stopped up? 4.  Who fell in the river and got completely wet? 5.  Who buried a hook in their hand?  Yes, it was a #24 6.  Whose beer still had active yeast in it? days. 8.  What the average daily temperature was? 9.  Whose looking forward to the next Clave? 10.  Who despite the somtimes contentiousness of this august (when we really should have been fishing) group is really looking forward to the next Clave? Need I go on? Bob in El Paso – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I snuck out of the room a bit before 4am today, 400 miles and 6 hours later I was home, and now am at work. I don’t have time to write a report now, but will do so soon. We all had a great time and lot’s of nice fish to go around…it was real cool to meet all the people who showed up. More will follow, JonCook. — Are you a r.o.f.f. newbie? Then see http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF/

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10.  Who despite the somtimes contentiousness of this august (when we really should have been fishing) group is really looking forward to the next Clave?

A ha! So there *was* a fight!! –Steve

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10.  Who despite the somtimes contentiousness of this august (when we really should have been fishing) group is really looking forward to the next Clave? A ha! So there *was* a fight!! –Steve

Yeah, but wuz there any sissy boys sighted? Frank (muy bueno tutu senior!) Church —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Frank (muy bueno tutu senior!) Church

my beans wear frilly little dresses old man? Joe (monolingual) F.

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Me too Joe, I tried to say "very pretty tutu senior" but I’m lacking a way to put that little ~ in there.  I should stick to pig latin I guess. Frank (knoi knoi) Church Frank (muy bueno tutu senior!) Church my beans wear frilly little dresses old man? Joe (monolingual) F.

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Sunday morning Willi, Danl, and I piled into Danl’s rent-a-car and drove up to the Texas Hole parking lot, where everybody agreed to start that day. Willi announced he was going to fish dries all day (though allowing for an emerger dropper), and brought only the beautiful Zimmerman "Troutmaster" rod to fish with. When we got out and started setting up, Willi couldn’t find his sunglasses, so he drove back to get them. Danl and I made our way to the river, set up and started fishing. 20 minutes pass and neither of us has had a hit, even though you could see some fish feeding. About then Willi steps out of the brush, walks into the river, and says, "Hey there, how’s it goin — Oh, got one!". No kidding, Willi is the Troutmaster. Willi did fall prey to the sunglasses thief that morning, and had to buy new ones. I fell prey the next morning, but had a backup pair. Willi and Danl headed down while I stayed on trying to catch the fish working in front of me, quite unsuccessfully I might add. Oh I caught a couple of smaller ones (13" or so), but the larger ones refused my offerings. One lesson I learned is that I don’t give up as soon as I should. There are so many fish up there that if you’re on some that are refusing everything, you might as well move. I finally moved downstream and met Danl and Ken coming back up to break for lunch. Ken had just taken a nice fish in a backwater, and Danl had taken one earlier with Willi. I passed them and caught a couple more small ones when Willi saw me he called out "Come down here, I found some big fish rising". I went down and sure enough right there were some nice fish rising fairly often. I think I had a foam wing emerger on, and on my first cast one of them took it, but it wasn’t a good hookup and I lost him. I kept fishing for that group, but they’d inspect my fly and refuse it every time. I finally concluded that Willi had already caught all those, because when I first walked up he said he had taken a half dozen nice fish from there (or was it a dozen?). He was below me during this and regularly hooking some smaller fish, and I was doing the same but about 1/2 as often (up to about 14"). He finally hooked a nice one and I was going to get a picture of the Zimmerman rod in fighting position, but he lost it before I could get the camera out. I’m sure he caught more nice ones but after that I didn’t try to get pictures. I must be skipping some part of Sunday, because I did land a couple of nice ones somewhere — I remember because one had a length of leader coming out of its butt. Yes, the fish do pay a price for our fun… The big lesson I learned Sunday (other than moving more often) was that yes, size does matter (for non-Troutmasters). Charlie’s jokes about #62 parameciums are spot on, and that night I bought a pack of #24’s for the evening’s tying session… JonCook.

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I can guess at a few of these 1.  Had horrible plane connections coming and going because of the mid-western (read Chicago) weather?

KEN 5.  Who buried a hook in their hand?  Yes, it was a #24

BOB S, and i’m blaming his big fish, which was in my net 6.  Whose beer still had active yeast in it?

CHARLIE

TAKE YOUR PICK 8.  What the average daily temperature was?

ZERO 9.  Whose looking forward to the next Clave? 10.  Who despite the somtimes contentiousness of this august (when we

YES AND YES was great Bob, see you in the Jemez. bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen

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Well, we’ve heard from Forty… /daytripper (rw? hallooooooo rw?)

I’m somewhat disappointed to report that Fortenberry didn’t talk to me at the San Juan Clave in the same style that he uses in ROFF while sitting in front of his computer at home drinking Laphroig, or however the hell you spell it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jon, You got back a little before I did and beat me to it.  Now are you going to say just who was it that: 1.  Had horrible plane connections coming and going because of the mid-western (read Chicago) weather? 2.  Whose luggage was lost; at least overnight? 3.  Whose commode got stopped up? 4.  Who fell in the river and got completely wet? 5.  Who buried a hook in their hand?  Yes, it was a #24 6.  Whose beer still had active yeast in it? days. 8.  What the average daily temperature was? 9.  Whose looking forward to the next Clave? 10.  Who despite the somtimes contentiousness of this august (when we really should have been fishing) group is really looking forward to the next Clave? Need I go on?

Who lost his net, his lead, and some other damn thing (gloves?). BTW, LaPlac, I have a good photo of you fishing the Kiddie Pool. Just wait. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I’m somewhat disappointed to report that Fortenberry didn’t talk to me at the San Juan Clave in the same style that he uses in ROFF while sitting in front of his computer at home drinking Laphroig, or however the hell you spell it.

Wow, who would have ever figured that one out . . . . — Warren

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Someone sent me an email, I believe under this thread’s subject, and I accidentally deleted it before reading it while I was throwing out the morning spam. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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rw,    Ken may be an asshole but he isn’t stupid.  I,am glad you two didn’t tangle and spoil the Clave fellowship.  I would think you had enough excitement with all the good fishing and meeting new ROFFian’s.  Count your blessings. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m somewhat disappointed to report that Fortenberry didn’t talk to me at the San Juan Clave in the same style that he uses in ROFF while sitting in front of his computer at home drinking Laphroig, or however the hell you spell it.

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Zimbo dreaming writes: A ha! So there *was* a fight!!

Yeah!  I kicked Fortenberry’s ass!  I enjoy it by closing my eyes and thinking Louie, alive and well in Yankeeville…..

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Still having that little identification problem, eh?  Perhaps a google search on "poor people"? Hey that helped clear it up, thanks. http://www.creativeworks.ch/musicians/pw2.htm

wow.  major zinger. In two years on the usenet, I cannot think of a single time I have been so deeply or so deftly cut.  You got a real gift there!  I had wondered whether you really came back because you weren’t getting enough opportunities to whine wherever else it is you hang out, but now I see that your real agenda was simply to unload some of your heavy munitions!  I find myself, somewhat paradoxically, both humbled and proud that you consider me worthy of such herculean efforts.  Might I be so bold as to suggest that a stunning career in satire awaits you, should you decide to pursue it?  Of course, careless readers might be left behind by the subtlety of cross born by every great artist.     Wolfgang tag, your it!

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Wolfgang snivelled: In two years on the usenet, I cannot think of a single time I have been so deeply or so deftly cut.

You’ll get over it.  I’m glad you got a chance to talk to me again.  As always, a pleasure playing your little games, and as always, I tire of it.  But don’t feel sad – you’re a cunning linguist and a master baiter (*), so you have a halfway decent chance of goading me into another argument someday.  In the meantime, you and Ken will have to find something else to stroke each other over.  And do try to stop obsessing over me, ‘kay?  TTFN Schattenjaeger. (*) Could it have been you who emailed me the pointer to your own Nazi propaganda just for fun? Regards, Jeff

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You’ll get over it.  I’m glad you got a chance to talk to me again.  As always, a pleasure playing your little games, and as always, I tire of it.  But don’t feel sad – you’re a cunning linguist and a master baiter (*), so you have a halfway decent chance of goading me into another argument someday.  In the meantime, you and Ken will have to find something else to stroke each other over.  And do try to stop obsessing over me, ‘kay?  TTFN Schattenjaeger.

You’re showing modest signs of improvement, Jeff –Steve

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Wolfgang snivelled: In two years on the usenet, I cannot think of a single time I have been so deeply or so deftly cut.

Rats!  Saw right through my pathetic attempt at bravado.      :) ……do try to stop obsessing over me, ‘kay?

Yeah, I’ll try.  But it’s going to be tough! (*) Could it have been you who emailed me the pointer to your own Nazi propaganda just for fun?

Nah, secret communiqu

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So before you spend big $$s on tying technique books, ‘a kit’, materials you don’t know, vises, new gizmos, threads, hooks, gear, etc. contact me. There’s NO charge, NO fee. Just sound FREE advice from someone who has no affiliation to any manufacturer, catalog company, fly shop or publisher. And, if I can’t answer your question, I’ll say so!

Allan, that’s extremely nice of you and I assume that most people will take you at your word. Don’t be suprised, though, if a few people are skeptical because (1) your subject line is in all capital letters, (2) unless I’m mistaken, you haven’t posted much if at all on this newsgroup in the past, and (3) the phraseology of your post sounds a bit like one of those "too good to be true" sales pitches. Unfortunately, the combination of these three things gives your post the flavor of SPAM. I hope that’s not the case. One litmus test of whether or not someone has solely commercial interests in participating in this newsgroup is a simple examination of his or her posting habits. That said, I hope you’ll make a habit of sharing your fly tying insight with us. So here’s your first question… I’ve considered starting fly tying but can never quite justify it in my mind since I’m not sure it’s something I would enjoy. Here’s what I’d probably tie: parachute Adams, EHC, very small pheasant tail nymphs with and without bead, orange and yellow stimulators, foam beetles, yellow humpies, winged red ants, black gnats, tiny cream midges, even tinier griffiths gnats, and assorted woolly buggers. Is there one vise I can buy that will allow me to tie these flies? How much would I have to spend on supplies and materials to be able to tie these flies? –Steve

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This group appears only to be interested in advice coupled with at least a modicum of bullshit. So basically, no bullshit, no dice. The group exists for exchanging information ( and bullshit), so that everybody can participate. What is the point of going to e-mail ? If ROFF can not answer your questions, we will do it anyway. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s..

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<< So here’s your first question… I’ve considered starting fly tying but can never quite justify it in my mind since I’m not sure it’s something I would enjoy. Here’s what I’d probably tie: parachute Adams, EHC, very small pheasant tail nymphs with and without bead, orange and yellow stimulators, foam beetles, yellow humpies, winged red ants, black gnats, tiny cream midges, even tinier griffiths gnats, and assorted woolly buggers. Is there one vise I can buy that will allow me to tie these flies? How much would I have to spend on supplies and materials to be able to tie these flies? –Steve    Very nice.  And can he field strip an M50, blindfolded? GKT

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Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s..

        great to have you back, connelly…but there’s no need for that false name and addy! wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s..    great to have you back, connelly…but there’s no need for that false name and addy! wayno

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Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s..

Should it be legal to patent or trademark a pattern ? Thanks man, — Halfordian Golfer It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout. A cash flow runs through it.

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Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s.. Should it be legal to patent or trademark a pattern ?

I don’t see why not. Might be hard to enforce, though. If you determine the genetic sequence of a natrual insect you can patent it under fairly broad conditions. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Allan,    Your offer is appreciated by the members of ROFF, and are you also willing to share the price of your flies? Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s.. After 40 years of fly tying (probably over 50,000 flies) mostly for trout up here in the n.e. (Catskills), fly fishing and reading all that I can get my hands on I think I’ve learned some things that may help you find solutions to your fly tying and maybe fly fishing problems. So before you spend big $$s on tying technique books, ‘a kit’, materials you don’t know, vises, new gizmos, threads, hooks, gear, etc. contact me. There’s NO charge, NO fee. Just sound FREE advice from someone who has no affiliation to any manufacturer, catalog company, fly shop or publisher. And, if I can’t answer your question, I’ll say so! Tight Wraps Allan

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Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s..

Without ANY b.s. ? Boy, are you ever in the wrong newsgroup. Just kiddin’ Allan, but it would be more appropriate to just chime in here on the newsgroup for all to read when you have something to contribute rather than popping in here unannounced and soliciting private email. — Ken Fortenberry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s.. After 40 years of fly tying (probably over 50,000 flies) mostly for trout up here in the n.e. (Catskills), fly fishing and reading all that I can get my hands on I think I’ve learned some things that may help you find solutions to your fly tying and maybe fly fishing problems. So before you spend big $$s on tying technique books, ‘a kit’, materials you don’t know, vises, new gizmos, threads, hooks, gear, etc. contact me. There’s NO charge, NO fee. Just sound FREE advice from someone who has no affiliation to any manufacturer, catalog company, fly shop or publisher. And, if I can’t answer your question, I’ll say so! Tight Wraps Allan

Thanks Allan, I have a question or two….. questions that concern legitimacy. To the best of my recollection, this is your first message to this august body. Hence, my natural-borne skepticism. Are questions to be posted here at ROFF where you will answer them here publically at ROFF? Or do you prefer that questions be sent to you via e-mail? If the latter, what is your privacy policy concerning the security of e-mail addresses of questionaires? Since you mentioned that you had no affilition with fly shops, etc., but failed to mention that you had *no* affiliation with internet marketeers, I ask these hard questions not to dissuade your altruism, but to clarify your position concerning the privacy of ROFFians who visit this newsgroup, and who, unwittingly, may fall prey to the tentacles of ever-present address collectors who share or sell their lists to spammers. My questions are not posed nor meant to demean your knowledge and your apparent willingness to share that knowledge. That is commendable. *But*, please excuse my skepticism…. we’ve seen these types of posts before. –Walt — Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Do you have a fly tying question?  I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s.. After 40 years of fly tying (probably over 50,000 flies) mostly for trout up here in the n.e. (Catskills), fly fishing and reading all that I can get my hands on I think I’ve learned some things that may help you find solutions to your fly tying and maybe fly fishing problems. So before you spend big $$s on tying technique books, ‘a kit’, materials you don’t know, vises, new gizmos, threads, hooks, gear, etc. contact me. There’s NO charge, NO fee. Just sound FREE advice from someone who has no affiliation to any manufacturer, catalog company, fly shop or publisher. And, if I can’t answer your question, I’ll say so! Tight Wraps Allan

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Hi Bob Have a look in  our fly catalog. Let us know what you think. www.popularfishingflies.com Popular Fishing Flies Robert Lindberg. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

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Check out the site http://www.virtualflybox.com.  They have a LOT of flies and pics there. David T. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

http://www.mwflytying.com/default.html http://www.flyanglersonline.com http://members.mint.net/raske.index.html http://killroys.com/default.htm#sitemenu

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Sorry I missed the backslash off   http://members.mint-net/raske/index.html

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Pix of flies at http://www.f-deans.freeserve.co.uk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

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Take a look at these locations: http://www.flyline.com/flys/patrns.htm http://www.flyanglersonline.com/ http://globalflyfisher.com/patterns/list.html#Stream Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pix of flies at http://www.f-deans.freeserve.co.uk Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

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Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

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I don’t have a Web site suggestion. Instead, may I suggest a book: The Classic Guide to Fly-Fishing for Trout Charles Jardine ISBN 0-394-58719-7 It was published in 1991 in Great Britain, so it doesn’t have all the patterns you’ll come across, but it does have 60 full color pages of flies (about 8 flies per page) as well as a complete directory of fly dressings (i.e. what hook sizes and materials are used to tie each fly). For your viewing pleasure, I scanned a page of the book (warning: 200K image) and put it at: http://www.ipass.net/~stevez/images/flypics.jpg Any discoloration in fly patterns is likely an artifact of my scanner, not the author. I invite the input of experienced fly fishermen to comment on this book, but I love it. It is an absolutely beautiful hardcover book that I keep alternately on my coffee table at home and on the desk in my office. Steve Zimmerman

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I am need of an address for the Fenwick company. I purchased a fly reel & need to get a spare spool. If anyone has the address where I can get one I would greatly appreciate it if you could send me the address. Thanks. May you always find a fish on your fishing pole. —

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I am need of an address for the Fenwick company. I purchased a fly reel & need to get a spare spool. If anyone has the address where I can get one I would greatly appreciate it if you could send me the address. Thanks. May you always find a fish on your fishing pole. —

Unfortunately, Fenwick was ‘taken over’ by Outdoors Technology Group (Berkley, Fintek, etc.). You can reach them toll free at 1-800-642-7637. I worked for Fenwick for nine years and was damn sorry to see a fine company go away. I believe Fenwick products are still being sold, but the are not made by Fenwick. Bob Tyler…

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I re-tilled and seeded my lawn this spring with Yuma a hybrid Bermda grass. Just now starting to have a good solid growth of new grass, but also have an over abundance of nut grass. Anyone have advice on how to get rid of nut rog

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I re-tilled and seeded my lawn this spring with Yuma a hybrid Bermda grass. Just now starting to have a good solid growth of new grass, but also have an over abundance of nut grass. Anyone have advice on how to get rid of nut rog

  If this is the same thing I’ve got here in NC it’s the worst weed going.  Nodules distributed along little thin roots, so pulling it out just breaks the root and makes more plants.  I’ve tried RoundUp painted carefully along the grass blades or dripped into the crown with no success.  I’m told it doesn’t get past the first nodule.  The only thing I’ve found to do is lift up the top several inches of soil and dispose of it (where?).  Obviously that has its limitations. — Lloyd R. Fortney ….. http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney physics, research, teaching, photography, flower gardening, travel, and fly fishing

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Can someone describe what nutgrass looks like?? thanks Timothy B. Dyeson, PhD, LMSW University of North Texas Department of Applied Gerontology Minority Aging Research Institute www.unt.edu/depts/mari/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I re-tilled and seeded my lawn this spring with Yuma a hybrid Bermda grass. Just now starting to have a good solid growth of new grass, but also have an over abundance of nut grass. Anyone have advice on how to get rid of nut rog   If this is the same thing I’ve got here in NC it’s the worst weed going.  Nodules distributed along little thin roots, so pulling it out just breaks the root and makes more plants.  I’ve tried RoundUp painted carefully along the grass blades or dripped into the crown with no success.  I’m told it doesn’t get past the first nodule.  The only thing I’ve found to do is lift up the top several inches of soil and dispose of it (where?).  Obviously that has its limitations. — Lloyd R. Fortney ….. http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney physics, research, teaching, photography, flower gardening, travel, and fly fishing

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I’ve got the same problem — who doesn’t?! How about nuking the whole yard and starting over????  <g http://members.aol.com/wilona1/index.html Pages updated June 6, 1997 – NEW:  Handmade Baby Afghans!!! Gardening – Genealogy – Newsletter – Links

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I’ve got the same problem — who doesn’t?! How about nuking the whole yard and starting over????  <g http://members.aol.com/wilona1/index.html Pages updated June 6, 1997 – NEW:  Handmade Baby Afghans!!! Gardening – Genealogy – Newsletter – Links

Try a product called Image.  Also there is one called Manage. You can also use MSMA.  If you pull it make sure you loosen the soil that will give you  a better chance of getting the nutlet out of the ground.  The nuts grow out and down.

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Nut grass is also a good indicator plant of other cultural problems Compaction Poor drainage acid soil A long term investment in changing the culture will reduce nut grass – also consider a shrub/mulch planting.

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Can someone describe what nutgrass looks like?? thanks

  What I call nutgrass is a medium course, mostly vertical grass growing from a crown.  It has maybe 4-6 stiff leaves from each crown and there is usually a colony of at least a couple of dozen crowns.  They are maybe 1/4" or so wide and up to a foot or more in height if you don’t mow or pull it first.  It easily outgrows my bermuda: a day or two after mowing it will be twice as high as the bermuda.  But underground is where the real problem lies.  I havn’t tried the chemicals mentioned in another reply, but I’m going looking tomorrow. — Lloyd R. Fortney ….. http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney physics, research, teaching, photography, flower gardening, travel, and fly fishing

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This may be the one time that having a cat in your garden could help. My cats just love nut grass and have made it a scarce commodity in my yard. Lisa Peterson — Without Trucks, Minnesota Stops! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I re-tilled and seeded my lawn this spring with Yuma a hybrid Bermda grass. Just now starting to have a good solid growth of new grass, but also have an over abundance of nut grass. Anyone have advice on how to get rid of nut rog

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Does anyone have any information on the conditions of the rivers in the Crested Butte area?

Joe Butler says that both Taylor and Gunnison rivers have been fishing well. He says to use "Egg Flies, Carpet Egg Flies, Mysis Shrimp, Sonefiles, tan shrimp, olive shrimp and orange shrimp. San Juan Worms will pick up a few fish also, as will the 20-incher pattern." "As the water rises from the bigger releases from the dams," says Butler, "the orange shrimp and the San Juans become more effectivbe. Why? Because shrimp that die when they come through the dams turn orange. These free floating morsels of food are easy pickens for the trout below." "The San Juan Worms get lots of attention as the river rises, mainly because the banks along the stream’s edge are getting washed into the river." — |    Liberty Communications — Michael P. Thompson      | |  Writing, editing, desktop publishing, consulting     | |      <http://www.ecentral.com/members/thompson       |

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Does anyone have any information on the conditions of the rivers in the Crested Butte area? Thanks and Regards, Steve

I am planning a colo kayak/fly fish vacation and may be too early as i am forced to go july 17 to 31.  I have been watching the following page like a hawk and the levels are not about to let up !!  only good for kayakers with a death wish! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -http://webserver.cr.usgs.gov/station_data/co_realtime/html/current_li…<<<

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I am planning a colo kayak/fly fish vacation and may be too early as i am forced to go july 17 to 31.  I have been watching the following page like a hawk and the levels are not about to let up !!  only good for kayakers with a death wish!

I’m confident that Colorado rivers will be down and quite fishable by mid July.  Early July is more dubious for fishing (but is probably a better time for floating). — -Wayne Trzyna

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Does anyone have any information on the conditions of the rivers in the Crested Butte area? Thanks and Regards, Steve

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Does anyone have any information on the conditions of the rivers in the Crested Butte area?

It looks like most rivers in Colorado are going to remain blown-out until well into July. — -Wayne Trzyna

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that said, it would still be my *earnest* recommendation to blow off all of the places you’ve ever heard about, get in the car, get a map and head to those places that are green on the map with lots of x’s (indicating BIG mountain peaks) and blues (rivers, lakes and creeks).  Don’t get to hung up on a spot unless you really like it…inquire in the local stores, buy something…plan to hike to your spot…you might find something you weren’t even looking for. Your pal, TimW

   I agree 1000% . It may take a few trips to find what you like, but it’s well worth the "work" !!!   Harry   (See Tim, we don’t always disagree g<)

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Hello All!     Planning a trip with my brother and son the first of August to do some primitive camping and fly fishing.  My brother lives in Denver and we will be launching the "expedition" from his house. <G     What I would like to know is how are the rivers running so far.  My brother and I fished both the Frying Pan and the South Platte two or three times last year, and didn’t do very well at either one.     Ideally we would want someplace that isn’t heavily fished or camped, but where we have a better than even chance of catching a few fish.  We can four wheel it, or some hiking is not out of the question (son just got out of Marine Corps training and we can use him as a mule <G).  Gold Medal Water fishing is not needed, as fishing Gold Metal Water didn’t really help us last year.     Open to suggestions. K. — |Fidonet:  K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.

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[deleted] Corps training and we can use him as a mule <G).  Gold Medal Water fishing is not needed, as fishing Gold Metal Water didn’t really help us last year.     Open to suggestions.

the gold medal water in colorado generally has a lot of fish…sometimes they just get pucker-headed in August (or anytime…directly proportional to the amount of time, money and planning invested in the trip)….when it warms up…on the other hand, if you nail it just right it can be awesome.   that said, it would still be my *earnest* recommendation to blow off all of the places you’ve ever heard about, get in the car, get a map and head to those places that are green on the map with lots of x’s (indicating BIG mountain peaks) and blues (rivers, lakes and creeks).  Don’t get to hung up on a spot unless you really like it…inquire in the local stores, buy something…plan to hike to your spot…you might find something you weren’t even looking for. Your pal, TimW

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Hi Owen If you happen to fly through Sydney Nebraska,

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I can’t imagine fly fishing with a buzz in my head.  -AR christ almighty beer is not heroin, man… Beer is no heroin.  But fly fishing is no hardware fishing either.

true…flyfishing is much easier…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t imagine fly fishing with a buzz in my head.  -AR christ almighty beer is not heroin, man… Beer is no heroin.  But fly fishing is no hardware fishing either. I hesitate to take aspirin before ff.  Want all my senses at 100%. That’s how you catch big fish. Cheers, -Ande Rychter

I wish I would have known that fishing without a buzz would improved my fishing back in the sixties.  I might have caught some real big ones. Don Kelly

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t imagine fly fishing with a buzz in my head.  -AR christ almighty beer is not heroin, man… Beer is no heroin.  But fly fishing is no hardware fishing either. I hesitate to take aspirin before ff.  Want all my senses at 100%. That’s how you catch big fish. Cheers, -Ande Rychter I wish I would have known that fishing without a buzz would improved my fishing back in the sixties.  I might have caught some real big ones.

Buzzes or Fish ? TimW

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Yes, the good old sixties. T Wigs.

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Why brake? Cheap tying materials.

T Wigs

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: Beer is no heroin.  But fly fishing is no hardware fishing either. : I hesitate to take aspirin before ff.  Want all my senses at 100%. : That’s how you catch big fish. No wonder I’m stuck in the 12 inch trout range.  I’ve been taking aspirin all these years! Thanks for the tip Ande. Coming back this way again this year? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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I can’t imagine fly fishing with a buzz in my head.  -AR christ almighty beer is not heroin, man…

If a couple of pulls on the bottle leave you too buzzed to fish then I wouldn’t touch the stuff at all ! "I brake for animals and speed up for PETA" Brian Di Carlo

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I can’t imagine fly fishing with a buzz in my head.  -AR christ almighty beer is not heroin, man…

Beer is no heroin.  But fly fishing is no hardware fishing either. I hesitate to take aspirin before ff.  Want all my senses at 100%. That’s how you catch big fish. Cheers, -Ande Rychter

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I can’t imagine fly fishing with a buzz in my head.  -AR

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I can’t imagine fly fishing with a buzz in my head.  -AR

christ almighty beer is not heroin, man…

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