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Great story, Mu, thanks for sharing it. Bob

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I be bringing up the rear here, but nonetheless, our best wishes to all roffians for a great Thanksgiving.  It has been a fun year in here and I’m just glad to be a small part of it.  I hope by next Thanksgiving to be able to say that I finally got to meet some of you at a clave somewhere. Best wishes, Frank and Daisy Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED

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Thanksgiving eve, I turned in a miserable draft of my dissertation after many successive late nights, was a substitute teacher for my boss in a senior level physics course (which I totally botched since I was only half awake anyway) since he left for early vacation, then drove up north with a friend who had recently returned to town to visit his family for the holidays and a kid from Utah whose guitar playing in the back seat made for some great travel music. We got into the motel around 1 AM and the digital sign out front read -5 C.  A bit colder than we were expecting but we were going to fish.  We woke up about 1.5 hours later than we had planned but finally ended up at the stream.  Tom only recently began fly fishing and owns a 5 wt rod so I told him to bring his spinning setup.  Utah had no equipment of any kind so I lent him a spinning rod and some leaky neoprenes.  He’d be fine as long as he didn’t wade deeper than the crotch. Neither had been to this river before.  They were immediately enchanted by it.  We were hoping for steelhead, but actually found lots of salmon and saw only one steelhead scooting upstream.  Oh well, I suppose it’s going to be salmon then. I had tied on a weighted black stonefly at the car. I gave them each a homemade spinner and they were on their way.  Most of the time I scouted ahead and told them where to cast. They were pleased to be there in the presence of large fish.  Well it went on like this for a while and I could see they were not quite used to seeing the angles, as it were, and I had to tell them where to position themselves for the best possible presentation.  They got the hang of it and I was typically 10-20 yards downstream, looking for more fish while they were happy in their unsuccessful attempts to lure the chinooks to the hook.  Within an hour, it warmed up enough so that ice was no longer forming on their guides.  I wasn;t doing much fishing and my guides were ice free but there was ice on my fly line.  At first I thought it was some inexplicable crud:  maybe the putty indicator I sometimes use; maybe the line had come into contact with some sort of solvent; it was hard to tell; the ice was very thin and my fingers numb. At one point when my buds were thoroughly engrossed with a particular pod of salmon I tied on a dropper from the bend of the stonefly and attached a chartreuse bunny strip with a purple crystal chenille body.  A lone male was cruising just a short distance away and I got a solid hookup.  At first sight in the water it looked like a jack (confused immature male that somehow swam upstream a bit too early in life – sounds like someone you know?). My friends quickly caught up and were quite excited.  Tom got his first experience at netting a salmon.  We took a pic of a very handsomely colored cock fish.  It was actually a mature fish, small for a chinook, about 12 lbs.  But this is a small river which receives no fish plantings and it looked about average size among the fish we saw that day. Each of my friends at one point had a fish on but both lost them. Well, we had to head home soon after that, as Tom’s relatives like to have a mid-afternoon Thanksgiving dinner.  But it was a great way to spend Thanksgiving morning.  Later I had turkey at my pastor’s place just before hopping onto a plane to Paris where I devoured all manner of sea creatures raw and cooked.  It’s amazing how animals that eat the detritus off the ocean floor can taste so good. Mu Young Lee Ann Arbor, MI  USA

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Thanks Walt, and the same to you! What fly do you use for a large 8 point buck? i just tie on a pink deer tail….. with a bit of scent  of course <g –ww

That just might look a little spiffy coming out of that barrel!

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Stan Gula writes: (sentimental stuff snipped, sniffff) I look forward to fishing and swapping lies with you all again. Just remember to bring some more of that Herracarrera Annandjoe stuff.  <g

Y’all stole a Porsche from Ann and Joe?  Maybe next time, try some Herradura Anejo….I guess that’s what it was – hopefully, you’re not asking him to bring some more "cara de hereje (like) anoche"…<G. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dave

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Happy Thanksgiving to ROFF. May your lines continue to be tight and your wit continue to be sharp. — Citizen Fisherman …really making an effort to play nice…

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your fiiend in paradise wayno

i love typos <g –ww

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Same to ya Walt, and to all my roffian partners in crime, happy turkey day and let’s count our blessings. From the Church family…. Frank, Daisy and Guts the Cat, who not quite in the spirit of Thanksgiving, sends a big wet raspberry to Kipper the hound. )

Kipper the hound responds ARRRROOOOOO, which loosely translated means C’mon over to Illinois sometime Guts, we’ll do lunch. Happy Thanksgiving to all ROFFians from Ken, Kristine and Kipper. — Ken Fortenberry

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt

Ditto!! Happy Thanksgiving to all.  May your biggest concerns all weekend be the seating charts for all your friends and family at the dinner table! Best wishes to all. Zippy Who has plenty to be thankful for but still wonders why he has had to sit at the small table with the "young ones" for 38 years in a row?

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Stan Gula writes: (sentimental stuff snipped, sniffff) I look forward to fishing and swapping lies with you all again. Just remember to bring some more of that Herracarrera Annandjoe stuff. <g Dave

Damn, I was just drinking that crap in a mexican restaurant/bar in San Diego.  Thanks a ton for introducing me to that, Stan.   Scooter (Saving up for a new liver)

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wayno writes: yes, indeed, waldo, the same to you.    and the same to all my brothers and sisters in cyberspace. best wishes for a moist turkey, warm hearts, and long life from your fiiend in paradise wayno

yes what he said.  and go fishing if you can. dave

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Stan Gula writes:

(sentimental stuff snipped, sniffff) I look forward to fishing and swapping lies with you all again.

Just remember to bring some more of that Herracarrera Annandjoe stuff.  <g Dave

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt Thanks Walt, and the same to you! What fly do you use for a large 8 point buck? Steve Who is fishing with his 30-06 this weekend. Talk about deer hunting – just had a co-worker regal me about his ten point buck and missing a 14 when his arrow ricocheted off of a piece of unseen barbed wire.  May you have better luck. Happy turkey day to our southern neighbours – be well.

Thanks Petah!

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happy thanksgiving to all…me and the family are off to the mountains for a few days… thanx to folks on the list that helped convence me to get up to the clave in yellowstone this last summer.. i had a great time…beautiful park..nice fishing…looking foward to the upcomming year and the many fishing opportunities it may bring  …… richard / colorado

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt

And same to you and the rest of ROFF. TC, R

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Same to ya Walt, and to all my roffian partners in crime, happy turkey day and let’s count our blessings. From the Church family…. Frank, Daisy and Guts the Cat, who not quite in the spirit of Thanksgiving, sends a big wet raspberry to Kipper the hound. )

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt Thanks Walt, and the same to you! What fly do you use for a large 8 point buck? Steve Who is fishing with his 30-06 this weekend.

_____  A Muddler Hollow Point. Gee Gee

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Thanks Walt, and the same to you! What fly do you use for a large 8 point buck?

i just tie on a pink deer tail….. with a bit of scent  of course <g –ww

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt

        yes, indeed, waldo, the same to you.         and the same to all my brothers and sisters in cyberspace. best wishes for a moist turkey, warm hearts, and long life from your fiiend in paradise wayno

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… What fly do you use for a large 8 point buck? i just tie on a pink deer tail….. with a bit of scent  of course <g

No wonder those waders stunk to high heaven. — Ken Fortenberry

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt Thanks Walt, and the same to you! What fly do you use for a large 8 point buck? Steve Who is fishing with his 30-06 this weekend.

Talk about deer hunting – just had a co-worker regal me about his ten point buck and missing a 14 when his arrow ricocheted off of a piece of unseen barbed wire.  May you have better luck. Happy turkey day to our southern neighbours – be well. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt

And thanks to all the clavesters I got to meet this year: Walt, Tom Brown, Dave LaCourse, Dave Tatosian, George Adams, Frank Reid, Bob Rose, Gary McMeekin, Paul Goodwin, Tom Littleton, Handyman Mike, Scooter, Peter Charles, Mike Makela, Indian Joe, Zimbo, Jeff Miller, DavePA, JeffC, John Russell, Asadi, Natty, Vince Norris, Frank Church, Dave Price, Dave Bottom and the others whose names I’m forgetting at the moment.  Well met gentlemen, and I look forward to fishing and swapping lies with you all again. Loosen your belts and have another slice of pie for me! –Stan

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt

Thanks Walt, and the same to you! What fly do you use for a large 8 point buck? Steve Who is fishing with his 30-06 this weekend.

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If I were to say, "Walt?  I hope you don’t over eat on Thanksgiving," would be true. The word, "Happy," when it comes to you is a bit mute because you’re usually always happy visiting Roff.  Does one wish you a "Happier Thanksgiving?"  No.  I think a fond thought from me, to you is that your waders don’t leak on Thanksgiving Day is enough to give thanks for, that I thought of that for you and the wish came true.  How are you not to know? Wishes are as fleeting as the tides of Roff.  They come, they go. In your case I’m going to make an exception.  I hope one of these wishes sticks and if you have one left over . . . send it to Harrison. Finally, there is the infamous Tom Brown.  What can Gladys and I say except that we hope you’re not having left over Camel, Tom?  You can’t have any ham but your free to choke the turkey.  Remember the dressing goes inside the bird this year. Eat well North Carolina and give thanks the Indian Joe lusted for your daughters and not for your scalps. Take care North Carolina, George

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and tight lines to all this weekend! –Walt — Wilson Creek Outfitters, Ezflyfish.com, Inc. 115 East Union Street; Morganton, NC 28655 http://www.ezflyfish.com

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and tight lines to all this weekend!

Eat sh errrr turkey. .  . . ~  Happy Turkey Day to you too Walt. — Warren www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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is that a worm hangin’ outta yer mouth? –walt <g

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.  . . ~ is that a worm hangin’ outta yer mouth?

Damn straight.  It’s all about the Mescal baby!  The worm is the best part because it proves that you did a good job by just getting to the bottom and are drunk enough to actually eat the worm.  Mission accomplished I’ll be fishing on Turkey Day unless my friend and I do the bachelor’s Thanksgiving thing, join forces and cook up a turkey.  Hell, we will either hunt or fish as well as cook up the turkey hopefully.  If all else fails, it is a Hungry Man Turkey Dinner and a day of fishing for me. Ahhhh yes, the virtues of bachelorhood and no family in the area.  Truly something to give thanks for while out fishing or hunting.  I am really going to enjoy the break from school too.  And if things couldn’t get any better, I have my daughter Friday through Monday and get her today too. <g — Warren www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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It used to be that bucket-shop rtw’s had all the flexibility of open y-class tickets – travel when you like, but don’t plan on adding new destinations you hadn’t originally ticketed. Now there are some being offered with more restrictions. Call around – the deals on the Internet sometimes are much less attractive than you can get out of the San francisco or LA Sunday travel sections. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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It used to be that bucket-shop rtw’s had all the flexibility of open y-class tickets – travel when you like, but don’t plan on adding new destinations you hadn’t originally ticketed. Now there are some being offered with more restrictions. Call around – the deals on the Internet sometimes are much less attractive than you can get out of the San francisco or LA Sunday travel sections. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s

Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

Take a look at http://www.airtreks.com I note that I have not booked through them, but have had discussions and we decided that my trips have not been long enough to warrant using their services.  Overall, I found them helpful and up-front about everything. Dave P.S.  I am not affiliated with AirTreks in anyway-just a consumer looking for the best deal.

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Sounds like great fun.  I rely on www.travelocity.com for some great air fares.  I find you can even beat these fares if you actually call the airlines and seek special deals.  Korean Air has been very competative lately and my experience with all non-american airlines has been exceptional.  By the way, I suggest you bring along a few disposable surgical tools.  Both the people and the animals are very poor and suffer with ailments that just a little doctoring will help.  I brought several pairs of drug store reading glasses because I loose or break them often.  I discovered many older people who need simple eye glasses but can’t get them. I will tell you — few joys on earth equal watching a man who has not read for 10 years suddenly be able to see again.  So little to us; so much to them. By the way, Indonesia has some great climbs to volcanos.  Rhinjani on Lombok in Indonesia is a 3 day trek up and over the rim of a huge volcano.  For about $200 per person you get a guide and 3 porters who set up camp.  Trip includes wonderful waterfalls and hot springs, plus your usual monkeys, and other exotic animals.  For the best treking, you will need a guide.  They are put out when you deny a couple extra men the job of carrying food and camping equipment.  Carry your own pack, but enjoy the pleasure of a nice tent and good meals at night. Also, be prepared to cross or travel in steam beds.  Sometimes the only way up a trail is by walking in a stream.  Sneakers are great.  Waterproof camera bags also recommended; so is a big bandana around your neck.  You’ll need both. Great traveling, Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are going on a backpacking excursion through SE Asia (Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, China, Brunei, Singapore) for about 6 months. We think that we would like to have a very open itinerary, i.e.-fly to Bangkok, get around however we see fit, and then fly home whenever we’ve had enough. Our options seem to be an open-jaw to a central place like Bangkok, or one of the around-the-world type flights (which may be too restrictive for us). We’re planning everything else well, but are having trouble deciding how to actually fly. Any help or ideas out there? There are so many bucket shops offering deals, it becomes overwhelming. Thanks for all the help we’ve recieved from this newsgroup! Kevin Oppenheimer, D.V.M. and Sandy Raders, D.V.M. To reply by email, please remove "NOSPAM" from address Once you go Mac, you’ll never go back. "The curious thing about fishing is that you never want to go home. If you catch something, you can’t stop. If you don’t catch anything, you hate to leave in case something might bite."

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We are going on a backpacking excursion through SE Asia (Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, China, Brunei, Singapore) for about 6 months. We think that we would like to have a very open itinerary, i.e.-fly to Bangkok, get around however we see fit, and then fly home whenever we’ve had enough. Our options seem to be an open-jaw to a central place like Bangkok, or one of the around-the-world type flights (which may be too restrictive for us). We’re planning everything else well, but are having trouble deciding how to actually fly. Any help or ideas out there? There are so many bucket shops offering deals, it becomes overwhelming. Thanks for all the help we’ve recieved from this newsgroup! Kevin Oppenheimer, D.V.M. and Sandy Raders, D.V.M. To reply by email, please remove "NOSPAM" from address Once you go Mac, you’ll never go back. "The curious thing about fishing is that you never want to go home. If you catch something, you can’t stop. If you don’t catch anything, you hate to leave in case something might bite."

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 For those that use Outlook Express, I need your help.  I want to accomplish two things. 1) change my name that appear on the NG to "fly-fishing-midget." 2) have another of my hotmail addresses appear on the NG instead of my primary address. I am now using My Deja to accomplish this.  However, I rather use Outlook Express unless I’m searching something. I think everyone will know why I want this changed due to be all the hoopla going on lately.  I hope to eliminate the hate mail that my wife sees coming to my primary address.  I can read it at one of my other addresses without upsetting my wife.  She has nothing to do with my actions on this NG or other e-correspondence.   Vern U Before you buy.

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Vern, try this: For 1) Select the News Group Select TOOLS Select Accounts (Hi-Lite Account Desired) Select Properties Select Name and enter the name you want to use Select OK For 2) Try: Same as above except select E-Mail Address instead of Name, Both Name and email address can be entered at one time if you want. Personally, I like Vern better and the hate mail will die quickly, good luck Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For those that use Outlook Express, I need your help.  I want to accomplish two things. 1) change my name that appear on the NG to "fly-fishing-midget." 2) have another of my hotmail addresses appear on the NG instead of my primary address. I am now using My Deja to accomplish this.  However, I rather use Outlook Express unless I’m searching something. I think everyone will know why I want this changed due to be all the hoopla going on lately.  I hope to eliminate the hate mail that my wife sees coming to my primary address.  I can read it at one of my other addresses without upsetting my wife.  She has nothing to do with my actions on this NG or other e-correspondence.  Vern U Before you buy.

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  I hope to eliminate the hate mail that my wife sees coming to my primary address.  I can read it at one of my other  Vern U

Ohhhhhhhh Vern baby….I just hate it when youstop touching me in that special way you have…….I just hate when you have to leave so early in

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  I hope to eliminate the hate mail that my wife sees coming to my primary address.  I can read it at one of my other  Vern U Ohhhhhhhh Vern baby….I just hate it when youstop touching me in that special way you have…….I just hate when you have to leave so early in

Hooooboy… I think ASADI slipped in the stream and hit his head!!! Someone get a DOC and a cold beer! Tihs man is hurt! {shudder} — Michael Era

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I think Steve W asked about, or commented on weighting the bow for better tracking. The weight I use is the deep cycle battery, which weighs almost 70 lbs. That’s a lot of weight, more than most folks think of using, but it’s worked great. Bill Mack askedWhat did you do for the long connection from the fron of the boat to the motor?<< I used thick wire and connectors available from auto supply stores. Use at least 10 ga for 12 volt connections, I use 6 ga so I can use it with my 24 volt 70 lb thrust motor for real fast flowing water. Two deep cycle batteries up forward REALLY stabilize it. Hope this helps, sorry for the delay in replying. Fair winds and following seas, Pat in Pawtucket  RI

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I am looking for an canoe/boat with a square stern for mounting an electric trolling motor and some type of keel that would allow it to track upstream in a moderate current without the bow being swept around to the rear by the current. Specifically I would be using this in the Muskegon River (in case some may be familiar). I have tried this unsuccessfully with a 17′ fiberglass canoe (with a side mounted motor near the stern & without a keel). My electric motor is equal to a 3 hp gas. Anybody out there have any suggestions? CowboyMI – Steven W. There never was a horse that couldn’t be rode, nor a Cowboy that couldn’t be throwed….

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Steve W wrote I have tried this unsuccessfully with a 17′ fiberglass canoe (with a side mounted motor near the stern & without a keel). My electric motor is equal to a 3 hp gas.<< I use a 14′ fiberglass canoe in a similar situation, and sometimes even rivers flowing briskly. My electric motor is only 36 lbs of thrust (about 2.2hp). Had problems until I put weight in the bow (put the deep cycle battery up there) after which tracking true against the current became much easier. It also stabilized the canoe much better for fly casting. Fair winds and following seas, Pat in Pawtucket  RI

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PatKapsner wroteI use a 14′ fiberglass canoe in a similar situation, and sometimes even rivers flowing briskly. My electric motor is only 36 lbs

of thrust (about 2.2hp). Had problems until I put weight in the bow (put the deep cycle battery up there) after which tracking true against the current became much easier. It also stabilized the canoe much better for fly casting.

I have tried putting ballast in the bow of my 17′, tried many rocks & later 2 five gallon jugs full of water. It helped some but, I still had the problem with the bow swinging around when I ran into some faster currents. My electric motor has 52 lbs thrust. Perhaps it is the extra length & weight of mine that makes it harder to handle? Is your motor mounted on a square stern or on the side near the back? CowboyMI – Steven W. There never was a horse that couldn’t be rode, nor a Cowboy that couldn’t be throwed….

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Steve:  Try a Coleman Crawdad…square stern, takes either a 2.2 hp or an electric, goes upstream well, damn near indestructible.  I love mine…costs about $800.00 Canadian, and you can get them at Canadian Tire, Walmart, etc.  They’ve got a nice smooth trot and always move on the right lead…Good fishing… Jim Ward Twin Willow Farm Home of good horses, fine whiskey and great wild trout

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You might want to loo at the Mad River Missiquoi, it fits your requirements. However MDRs are expensive, but you get what you pay for. I have a MDR Winooski and love it. It is the same as the Missiquoi without the square stern. I use extensively for fly fishing in South Florida. . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am looking for an canoe/boat with a square stern for mounting an electric trolling motor and some type of keel that would allow it to track upstream in a moderate current without the bow being swept around to the rear by the current. Specifically I would be using this in the Muskegon River (in case some may be familiar). I have tried this unsuccessfully with a 17′ fiberglass canoe (with a side mounted motor near the stern & without a keel). My electric motor is equal to a 3 hp gas. Anybody out there have any suggestions? CowboyMI – Steven W. There never was a horse that couldn’t be rode, nor a Cowboy that couldn’t be throwed….

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: PatKapsner wrote : (about 2.2hp). Had problems until I put weight in the bow (put : the deep cycle : battery up there) after which tracking true against the current became : much easier. It also stabilized the canoe much better for fly casting. : I have tried putting ballast in the bow of my 17′, tried many rocks & : later 2 five gallon jugs full of water. A couple of things. First, your motor is probably just on the edge of being able to push your canoe up the current. With this, adding "ballast" to the front will bring the front down, but it also makes more total weight for the motor (already struggling) to push. Moving the battery up front (thus not adding *more* ballast) may help this. You still might have problems, though. I used to bass fish from a 12′ canoe, and kept the battery up front. Worked beautifully, but I was on still water. Second, is your canoe keeled? Keeled canoes track better, but in your case maybe the keel catches the current quicker. I don’t know, just wondering. Length certainly does matter for turning the bow, so yeah, your little motor is struggling to turn it in this situation. I don’t think stern mount vs. side mount makes much difference, when you’re talking about your 17′er. My tip: pull out a paddle, kneel down a little forward of your rear seat so you can wield the paddle around the middle of the side of the canoe, and help the motor out. With the paddle you can easily keep the bow in place, heading up the current. Assuming you’ve canoed a bit, you know all the push, pull, J strokes you can do to quickly right the direction of the canoe. Try it, I think you’ll get through the fast sections with ease. JonCook.

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Steve W wrote I have tried this unsuccessfully with a 17′ fiberglass canoe (with a side mounted motor near the stern & without a keel). My electric motor is equal to a 3 hp gas.<< I use a 14′ fiberglass canoe in a similar situation, and sometimes even rivers flowing briskly. My electric motor is only 36 lbs of thrust (about 2.2hp). Had problems until I put weight in the bow (put the deep cycle battery up there) after which tracking true against the current became much easier. It also stabilized the canoe much better for fly casting. Fair winds and following seas, Pat in Pawtucket  RI

What did you do for the long connection from the fron of the boat to the motor?  Bill Mack

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I am just getting started in FF and I don’t know the best method for affixing my flyline to the reel.  Also, how do I attach the leader to the line?

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Benjamin, You can tie the backing to the reel, the backing to the fly line than the flyline to the leader/tippet. Reel to backing: Two simple overhand knots. Tag end of backing around spool 2 times and tie an overhand knot in the end. Than a second overhand knot around the standing line. Snug up the second knot. Than pull the standing line tight. The knots should slip down to the spool hub. Fly line to backing and leader to fly line to leader/tippet can both be done with a nail knot. Most books on basic fishing will have a picture of this knot. If you purchased all your tackle from a fly shop, take it back to the shop and ask them to show you how to do it. Most will be happy to do it for you. If you got your tackle mail order, go to your local fly shop and purchase about $100  worth of additional tackle and than ask them to help you. There are are other knots you can use, but I find these knots east to tie. Good luck & Good fishing, — Dennis C. Aron Independent Representative #13921 Champion Fishing Co., Ltd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am just getting started in FF and I don’t know the best method for affixing my flyline to the reel.  Also, how do I attach the leader to the line?

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Benjamin,         Your local shop will do most of it for you and the other posts suggest the best knots for it but I just wanted to add that from your fly line, the first bit of mono is called the butt section and it’s the thickest diameter part of your leader.           It was suggested to me to have a short butt section from my line to my leader and have a loop at the end of it.  This way I can make the same loop on my leaders and change leaders forever without having to retie the nail knot at the end of the flyline.           Whoever at your local shop will probably be hip to the entire set up. Don’t ever be intimidated into NOT asking questions of these people, I’ve learned a lot from them. Good Luck, Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also, how do I attach the leader to the line?

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I am just getting started in FF and I don’t know the best method for affixing my flyline to the reel.  Also, how do I attach the leader to the line?

Ben, Spend some money on a good beginner fly fishing book. Try to find a copy of Dave Hughes "Fly Fishing Basics" for $12.95 (US$) – I happen to think it’s quite good. ISBN 0-8117-2439-5. Also, you don’t attach your fly line to the reel, you attach it to backing line which is attached to the reel. Backing goes around the reel spindle twice and is tied with a simple overhand knot and a second overhand knot at the end of the tag end. Pull this tight and the tag end overhand knot will catch in the first overhand knot that is tied around the backing line. Hard to write – easy to tie. NOTE: make sure you wrap the line onto the reel in the correct direction too. Adjust the drag pawls too. Use a nail-knot at the backing line /fly line point. If you are using a wt. forward fly line – make sure the correct end is attached to the backing material.Should be okay if left on the original spool until attaching it to the backing. (A DT line is double-ended so no mistake possible) Use a braided loop on the end of your fly line and form a loop in the end of your leader(s). A loop-to-loop connection allows leader change out quickly. Add some extra tippet material to the "fly" end of your leader and save buying lot’s of expensive leaders. Tight Lines, Don Burns Wishful collector of Gillums and Dickersons – owner of Montague, H-I and Heddons

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– Now booking inshore fly fishing wading trips for stripers for the 97 season. I supply all tackle and flies as well as casting instructions if needed. If you don’t score stripers, I don’t get paid. Fair enough? $125/single $200/two anglers for a full day wading trip. Email me at http://www.flyfishing-the-salt.com. Good fishing…Ted Bobetsky

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– Now booking inshore fly fishing wading trips for stripers for the 97 season. I supply all tackle and flies as well as casting instructions if needed. If you don’t score stripers, I don’t get paid. Fair enough? $125/single $200/two anglers for a full day wading trip. Email me at http:www.flyfishing-the-salt.com. Good fishing…Ted Bobetsky

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May your Christmas Present be an Orvis Bamboo with a Guide missing! Mr. Gink — MZ

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May your Christmas Present be an Orvis Bamboo with a Guide missing!

Oh yeah ?!?!?!? Well…may you get the same thing, and break it when you drop your "Tickle Me Elmo" on it, which breaks as well… TimW

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   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    Organization: Fly Fishing Products Manufacturer    May your Christmas Present be an Orvis Bamboo with a Guide missing!    Mr. Gink AND, that you live in a climate where you can’t use it for growing tomatoes! cheers,         -tgades

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Yesterday, my buddy and I went out to a stretch of the Winnipeg River, east of Winnipeg, Manitoba. We head to our best spring pike spot. An expansive weed flat in a shallow, north bay. We chuck some spinnerbaits and buzzbaits. Lots of followers! HUGE followers! No bites except for a couple 12-inchers. Try some sluggos – nothing. Try some Rapala-type minnows – nothing.  ’Well, I guess they aren’t hungry’ my buddy says…..We’re packing up, and I spot an old spoon in the bottom of my tackle box. Now, I always thought spoons were kinda…, what…., old fashioned? Low-tech? What the heck, it’s worth a try. I toss it….BANG – 5 pounder. Nice. Try again. BANG – 8 pounder. NICE. My buddy loads up a weedless spoon – BANG – 6 pounder. We drifted across the flat for 2 hours, caught over 20 fish. One was my new personal best, 13 pounds, 37inches long…. caught on a ‘five of diamonds’ spoon. Now, compared to some of the fly-in spots, these aren’t big fish. But considering that these were caught 5 minutes from a public boat launch, we couldn’t have been happier. Lesson learned – pike like spoons. Thanks,guys,,,,just had to share my good fortune. Brian ps – all the fish were caught on Fusion – I love Fusion. SOLID hooksets, especially when your barbs are pinched.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday, my buddy and I went out to a stretch of the Winnipeg River, east of Winnipeg, Manitoba. We head to our best spring pike spot. An expansive weed flat in a shallow, north bay. We chuck some spinnerbaits and buzzbaits. Lots of followers! HUGE followers! No bites except for a couple 12-inchers. Try some sluggos – nothing. Try some Rapala-type minnows – nothing.  ’Well, I guess they aren’t hungry’ my buddy says…..We’re packing up, and I spot an old spoon in the bottom of my tackle box. Now, I always thought spoons were kinda…, what…., old fashioned? Low-tech? What the heck, it’s worth a try. I toss it….BANG – 5 pounder. Nice. Try again. BANG – 8 pounder. NICE. My buddy loads up a weedless spoon – BANG – 6 pounder. We drifted across the flat for 2 hours, caught over 20 fish. One was my new personal best, 13 pounds, 37inches long…. caught on a ‘five of diamonds’ spoon. Now, compared to some of the fly-in spots, these aren’t big fish. But considering that these were caught 5 minutes from a public boat launch, we couldn’t have been happier. Lesson learned – pike like spoons. Thanks,guys,,,,just had to share my good fortune. Brian ps – all the fish were caught on Fusion – I love Fusion. SOLID hooksets, especially when your barbs are pinched.

I live in Oregon, U.S.A. and fish at Flin-Flon, Manitoba every year and find that my best baits for northerns are spoons and #5 Mepps spinners. We catch numerous pike in the 20-25 pound class with them.  Not every cast, however.  It is still work. I have also found that fishing the Mepps vertically can be productive at times.  Just open the bail and let it drop 50-75 feet to the bottom.  Then give it a "reef" and start cranking.  You might be surprised.  On my first 4 "drops" I landed 3 lake trout.  Sometimes they hit.  Sometimes they don’t!  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The thing of it is, all this competitive junk we heap upon our pursuits more often than not will keep us from enjoying them fully. Don’t worry about your ‘level’, answer the question ‘Am I having fun ?’ If yes, then keep doing it ! An interesting aside, I was recently approached to run a FFing school and was kind of uneasy about it, though I didn’t know why. This string answered my question, think I’ll pass !                                               jc COME ON!    jeeze!   you guys are relentless!  The level thing was obviously (to me) a tongue in cheek post concerning the realization that that you really *are* here to be in the moment and enjoy your surroundings : 5)just go fishing and soak in the experience, catching fish just a plus…   If you guys would stop trying to be so damned elitist, you would see that half the posts you flame are posts you would agree with if you would take the time to read them.

Congratulations, You have demonstrated a command of the language which may be unobtainable by the "elitists".  Words do have meaning.  Reading is such hard work. Dennis

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: I’ve been flyfishing for more than a decade, and a couple of years ago I : realized I had reached the fifth level of flyfishing. The levels are: : 1) catch a fish with this hard to operate equipment : 2)catch lots of fish : 3)catch a large fish : 4)catch lots of large fish : 5)just go fishing and soak in the experience, catching fish just a plus… I’m at all these levels, I love to fish and catch fish, whether it’s tarpon in Florida or bluegill down the road, or just watching a trout feed and not wetting a line.  Why limit yourself.  I will fish for anything, anywhere, anytime and enjoy it. John

Well said! Jack

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How many of you were ever new to flyfishing? Do you remember that first stike, how the excitement surged as you "swung and missed". And that rush as you clumsily horsed in you first fish. And what about the satifaction as you let that first big brute go after a battle well fought. Let us not loose sight of why we fish…That big chess game we play with Mother Nature. Instead of limiting the players, why not educate them on how the "game" is played. Anyone who wants to enjoy this wonderfull sport of Flyfishing should be able to WITHOUT the harassment of others. Maybe a helping hand should be extended instead of a judgemental finger. Dana Clark

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Pavlov) writes: : : tim:  look, why don’t you cut folks like the originator of this thread : a little slack.  he did nothing to deserve your relentless sarcasm, … : Maybe everyone is getting a little touchy.  I don’t see how Tim’s posts reflected on the originator of the thread.  The one that you quoted was a response to someone else altogether.  greg pavlov

It never fails to amaze me that regardless of the hobby, there are those who use their proficiency as a weapon to downgrade those who are less accomplished.  When I first got into photography (prior to the wonders of the internet) I ran into the same smug and demeaning attitude I find on this forum on occasion.  Let’s face it, after A River Ran Through It was released thousands of newcomers became enamoured with flyfishing.  Some of these people are just trendy types who confuse fishing with ownership of all the toys.  They will never really appreciate the joy of standing in a stream and taking it all in. Most of these people will fish awhile and then put their equipment in the closet along with the remains of their other short-term obsessions.  On the other hand, there are those who seriously enjoy the experience and who plan on spending the next several years learning flyfishing and being responsible in what they do.  Oldbies should take the time to learn the difference. Bo Johnson

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Dear Gentlemen;         If I may expand this idea of "the clothes make the man": Sure, there are a lot of middle-aged and younger flyfisherman with the newer more technologically developed gear, but look at where 4-wheel drives have gone.  Who would have ever though a uper-mid. class house wife would lust after a Chevy Blazer, for heaven’s sake!  There are a lot of established F.Fisherman here in the east who don’t have a lot of money and who persue their sport with the single-midedness of an olympic athelete.  They welcomed me to thier waters, (if not thier ranks, yet), and gave me the info I neede to catch fish.  None of these guys act in a demeaning way if you do not have the best equipment.  If you have the *right* equip., that is important.  They know what will catch trout.  They also know that just having the right equip. guarantees nothing.  Stuff works or it doesn’t.  Sometimes, no matter how good you rod is, well, trout can’t read, and they have no concept of money.  Some fantastic F.Fisherman from my home area, NW PA, have rather inexpensive glass rods and cheap reels.  They learned long ago that the flyline and the presentation of a fly which the trout *might* take are the most important factors.  We cannot get on people’s cases about equipment.  Technique will be lost.  I honestly need better technique.  I know I don’t do what I should as well as I should, but expensive equipment (or new) will not help me.  Overall, I have found that the oldest of the order are the most accepting of new blood.  They are less competetive for fish.  I owe them tremendously.                   Sincerely;                 Jason Beary

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Another level altogether: when you take your neighbor’s kid out because he/she looks a little down.  You leave your rod behind so you can concentrate on helping this youngster have the best time he/she possibly can. — Laboratory for Applied Logic    Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho             www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzDtvLEAAAEEAKAC21G2Be0K0DMgjLpxrwLmsYfCz8rWcfgyABjr3Ryfk1dO nV7fFFpUF3xohR7die+/B2V9oqRQzTLeSF2ECKlsTY/yUyw2kn+P2ju1umh4Fwzd cVTvc+H69q1+Ft3kmw/PE0Pan+g0PUGGJ43stw3q4OgBHdixbRd/f9giJFDxAAUR tCZKYW1lcyBBLiBGb3N0ZXIgPGZvc3RlckBjcy51aWRhaG8uZWR1PokAlQMFEDD8 ReEXf3/YIiRQ8QEBFrAD/2AFuRWcD/3MENC3qJMC/Or1qxknjkK7Uv+TDf2LHPOY GHBbG9PyWuXQ8of0Dd+JYwf/tzlO9Yk1s1zTdikfriak21FW0bCokxDIhA3myppZ IZDWVA9CyvDYHuP5Ii1NkBvocab813JzDLZA+0iVN5sebGb9zSXR4Za47hlriHeP =RDHK —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—–

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"Another level altogether: when you take your neighbor’s kid out because he/she looks a little down.  You leave your rod behind so you can concentrate on helping this youngster have the best time he/she possibly can." This person is a "master" fly fisher. We all concentrate on our equipment, where we fish, how many fish we catch and so on. After many years we reach a level where we own fine quality equipment, we’ve fished all of the popular waters for a variety of species, and we’ve caught more fish than we can remember – and probably fewer than we sometimes profess. At this time we are regarded by our peers and ourselves as accomplished and notable fly fishers. But, until you take the time to pass along you knowledge, in a gentle and patient manner, you have not mastered the sport. Congratulations on reaching this ultimate plateau.

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I’ve been flyfishing for more than a decade, and a couple of years ago I realized I had reached the fifth level of flyfishing. The levels are: 1) catch a fish with this hard to operate equipment 2)catch lots of fish 3)catch a large fish 4)catch lots of large fish 5)just go fishing and soak in the experience, catching fish just a plus…

Is it possible that there is a (6) Be near water dreaming of the fishes with no intention of doing anything to them, but knowing that you could, if you wanted to..? Rowing my little dory on trappers lake and seeing all of the cutts in the gin clear water with no desire for… Dooo Dooo Dooo…. …ripping lips. Tim Walker

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: (6) Be near water dreaming of the fishes with no intention of doing : anything to them, but knowing that you could, if you wanted to..? Tim, maybe you should start an RFD for "rec.outdoors.stop-fishing" because that’s what you seem to advocate nowadays. — Jeff Smith                                     Graduate student http://www.msc.cornell.edu/~jeffs         Cornell University, Ithaca, NY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : (6) Be near water dreaming of the fishes with no intention of doing : anything to them, but knowing that you could, if you wanted to..? Tim, maybe you should start an RFD for "rec.outdoors.stop-fishing" because that’s what you seem to advocate nowadays. Nah… But I’d like to see… rec.outdoors.flyfishing.lets-put-the-fishing-back-in-flyfishing rec.outdoors.flyfishing.is_fashionable rec.outdoors.flyfishing.natural_order_is_extinct rec.outdoors.flyfishing.C&R.might_as_well_stock_the_olympic_sized_pool rec.outdoors.flyfishing.pensive rec.outdoors.flyfishing.binaries.pictures.erotica.trout.tasteless Tim Walker

tim:  look, why don’t you cut folks like the originator of this thread a little slack.  he did nothing to deserve your relentless sarcasm, which is simply becoming tiresome to many of us who might even agree with some of your positions.  if you want to engage in competitive verbal abuse, pick on someone your own size.  just email me or fletcher or jeff smith, etc., when you feel froggy.  meanwhile, let the newbies and the innocents alone to do their walden/thoreau thing in peace. a. wayne harrison

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: : : (6) Be near water dreaming of the fishes with no intention of doing : : anything to them, but knowing that you could, if you wanted to..? : : Tim, maybe you should start an RFD for "rec.outdoors.stop-fishing" : because that’s what you seem to advocate nowadays. : : Nah… <blah, blah, blah : Tim Walker Tim… *yawn* oh, nevermind. -chuck o. —

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I’ve been flyfishing for more than a decade, and a couple of years ago I realized I had reached the fifth level of flyfishing. The levels are: 1) catch a fish with this hard to operate equipment 2)catch lots of fish 3)catch a large fish 4)catch lots of large fish 5)just go fishing and soak in the experience, catching fish just a plus… Am I alone, or have others experienced this with their own fishing?? Oh yeah, I’m the guy who started the thread about discovering "slower" rods and increasing my enjoyment of the sport 10 fold… Dennis

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: I’ve been flyfishing for more than a decade, and a couple of years ago I : realized I had reached the fifth level of flyfishing. The levels are: : 1) catch a fish with this hard to operate equipment : 2)catch lots of fish : 3)catch a large fish : 4)catch lots of large fish : 5)just go fishing and soak in the experience, catching fish just a plus… : Am I alone, or have others experienced this with their own fishing?? : Oh yeah, I’m the guy who started the thread about discovering "slower" : rods and increasing my enjoyment of the sport 10 fold… : Dennis Yea, I’ve reached level 5 too… But I skipped levels 2, 3, and 4. -chuck o. (not joanne b.) OST, maybe I did attain level 3 (w/o attaining level 2, of course)… depens on your definition of "large." —

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: (6) Be near water dreaming of the fishes with no intention of doing : anything to them, but knowing that you could, if you wanted to..? Tim, maybe you should start an RFD for "rec.outdoors.stop-fishing" because that’s what you seem to advocate nowadays.

Nah… But I’d like to see… rec.outdoors.flyfishing.lets-put-the-fishing-back-in-flyfishing rec.outdoors.flyfishing.is_fashionable rec.outdoors.flyfishing.natural_order_is_extinct rec.outdoors.flyfishing.C&R.might_as_well_stock_the_olympic_sized_pool rec.outdoors.flyfishing.pensive rec.outdoors.flyfishing.binaries.pictures.erotica.trout.tasteless Tim Walker

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: But I’d like to see… : rec.outdoors.flyfishing.binaries.pictures.erotica.trout.tasteless What would be in this group… the 4 inchers or the 10 inchers? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Congratulations on attaining that state.  Welcome to the group of flyfishers that see the spiritual aspect of flyfishing.  Not only see it, but practice it. I too progressed through the process. Level 5.  Jonathan Livingston Seagull wondered what level is next. JJ

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Go Tim! Go!

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WHAT IS IT WITH SOME OF YOU GUYS/GALS?  You were new to the sport at one time so why not give a lot of newbies a little slack?  We may be newer to it than you but we certainly do not come to it with any less honorabel intentions.  We too love the outdoors and the total experience.  We too love the idea of learning to excel at the sport.  SO, PLEASE forgive us if we take a spot on the water once in awhile.

It’s concepts like being at a "level" that make me feel like joining Tim Walker sometimes. There seems to be this "karate school" mentality about; white belt, yellow belt, black belt etc. that people need to attach to everything. It’s as if we need a constant reassurance of our self worth. The twisted thing is, fishing has traditionally been a place to get AWAY from this crap, it’s a mental state where you just exist as a part of the water. It’s inner peace. If it’s there for you, it’s there regardless of your ability. When I started FFing it was like 1967, and I used to fish in the ocean for pollock, mackerel, cod and the occasional sea raven, when is like a sea robin that inflates when out of the water, we used to call them ‘grubbies’. It was a delight for me to catch anything then. I never thought of a grubbie as being inferior to a striper, and had never heard of tarpon, bones, etc. Now I catch mostly stripers & blues, but this summer I was standing on the dock at our marina just dangling a clouser in a couple feet of water and up comes this mass of weeds – no it’s a grubbie! and arcs under the fly, returning to the piling he lived at. I was thrilled, by a ‘trash’ fish. The thing of it is, all this competitive junk we heap upon our pursuits more often than not will keep us from enjoying them fully. Don’t worry about your ‘level’, answer the question ‘Am I having fun ?’ If yes, then keep doing it ! An interesting aside, I was recently approached to run a FFing school and was kind of uneasy about it, though I didn’t know why. This string answered my question, think I’ll pass !                                                 jc

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I have to confess, I’m a little surprised at the simplistic ideology being embraced in this thread.  To believe that any pursuit in life is a straight-line progression from crude to intellectually and spiritually superior is a little naive.  I have fished for 35+ years, 24 of those as a fly-fisher, and I have days when I just want to be out in the environs and every- thing else is secondary and days when catching a fish is almost a holy quest.   It depends on a lot of factors.  How long since the last time I was out?  Who am I with?  Have I ever fished this body of water before?  What kind of reputation does this water have?  Did I get a chance to tie any of those secret weapon flies I’ve been telling all my friends ‘can’t miss’?  How good am I feeling about myself this week?  It’s too complex to reduce to "I went though stage 1 in 1974, stage 2 in 1976, etc." I guess, to me, fishing is a form of play.  The child in me wants to be mature and philosophically superior.  But, it’s just a child and is too busy enjoying the pursuit to spend the time and energy analyzing its motives.  When it all comes together and I rise to that ‘higher plateau’, I enjoy the smug feeling.  And, when I’m in my neanderthal frame of reference, I enjoy that too. Just so there is no mistake– I always protect the resource to the best of my knowledge and ability.  I have removed many thousands of yards of monofilament from streams and beaches in my 35+ years. I never go into the woods that I don’t take a trash container and return with any trash I see, can reach, and can carry.  My sons were a little upset when they realized not everyone had a dad that made them pick up trash in the woods.  But, that’s just one of the rules of the game, as I play it! Tight lines and Happy times! Charley

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WHAT IS IT WITH SOME OF YOU GUYS/GALS?  You were new to the sport at one time so why not give a lot of newbies a little slack?  We may be newer to it than you but we certainly do not come to it with any less honorabel intentions.  We too love the outdoors and the total experience.  We too love the idea of learning to excel at the sport.  SO, PLEASE forgive us if we take a spot on the water once in awhile.

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: I’ve been flyfishing for more than a decade, and a couple of years ago I : realized I had reached the fifth level of flyfishing. The levels are: : 1) catch a fish with this hard to operate equipment : 2)catch lots of fish : 3)catch a large fish : 4)catch lots of large fish : 5)just go fishing and soak in the experience, catching fish just a plus… I’m at all these levels, I love to fish and catch fish, whether it’s tarpon in Florida or bluegill down the road, or just watching a trout feed and not wetting a line.  Why limit yourself.  I will fish for anything, anywhere, anytime and enjoy it. John

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The thing of it is, all this competitive junk we heap upon our pursuits more often than not will keep us from enjoying them fully. Don’t worry about your ‘level’, answer the question ‘Am I having fun ?’ If yes, then keep doing it ! An interesting aside, I was recently approached to run a FFing school and was kind of uneasy about it, though I didn’t know why. This string answered my question, think I’ll pass !                                            jc

COME ON!    jeeze!   you guys are relentless!  The level thing was obviously (to me) a tongue in cheek post concerning the realization that that you really *are* here to be in the moment and enjoy your surroundings : 5)just go fishing and soak in the experience, catching fish just a plus…  

If you guys would stop trying to be so damned elitist, you would see that half the posts you flame are posts you would agree with if you would take the time to read them.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have to confess, I’m a little surprised at the simplistic ideology being embraced in this thread.  To believe that any pursuit in life is a straight-line progression from crude to intellectually and spiritually superior is a little naive.  I have fished for 35+ years, 24 of those as a fly-fisher, and I have days when I just want to be out in the environs and every- thing else is secondary and days when catching a fish is almost a holy quest.   I guess, to me, fishing is a form of play.  The child in me wants to be mature and philosophically superior.  But, it’s just a child and is too busy enjoying the pursuit to spend the time and energy analyzing its motives.  When it all comes together and I rise to that ‘higher plateau’, I enjoy the smug feeling.  And, when I’m in my neanderthal frame of reference, I enjoy that too.

Dear Sir, You have summed up quite elonquently what I meant by spirituality.  I don’t recall writing the word "Superior".  I must clarify that my intention was not to convey a sense of superiority.  But, wanted to convey that the whole process represents spiritual growth.  There is no elitism here…..elitism has made me puke for years. JJ

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By chance, is there a FF FAQ. I just started FF this year and I’m really getting into it. In fact, the only flies that I used this year were ones that I tied myself. The problem is that I only had success with one type of fly, that being the basic hackle fly. I need to find a source of fly tying info, such as how to’s and different types of flies. Any help would be greatly appreciated. If it helps, I fish mostly for speckle trout, pike and bass, although I’ve only caught the specks on the fly Thanks, Greg.

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Seems like the year is turning early here in CT. Already one of my favorite rivers, the Housatonic, is filling with drifting leaves. Its rapidly getting to the point where fishing is more like raking leaves with a single-tined rake. Did summer really slip away so quickly? Or is this just a case of getting a bit older? JL 8-Wt Editor

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Seems like the year is turning early here in CT. Already one of my favorite rivers, the Housatonic, is filling with drifting leaves. Its rapidly getting to the point where fishing is more like raking leaves with a single-tined rake. Did summer really slip away so quickly? Or is this just a case of getting a bit older?

The Aspens and Gambels Oaks turned early here in Colorado. Could it mean an early winter?  Could it mean lots of snow? Should I put away my fly-rod and get out my skis? — -Wayne Trzyna

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By chance, is there a FF FAQ. I just started FF this year and I’m really getting into it. In fact, the only flies that I used this year were ones that I tied myself. The problem is that I only had success with one type of fly, that being the basic hackle fly. I need to find a source of fly tying info, such as how to’s and different types of flies. Any help would be greatly appreciated. If it helps, I fish mostly for speckle trout, pike and bass, although I’ve only caught the specks on the fly Thanks, Greg.

I’m also interested in a FF FAQ, can anybody help me?

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