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<snipped Vittorio, Do you have any craft or needle point stores in your area?  I have found some extra small beads this way.  I just did a search with google.com and found these sites: http://www.netway.com/~flyshop/catalog/beads.htm http://www.kman.com/Catalog/Page87/Page87.htm http://www.mwflytying.com/new_stuff/ns_materials.html Hope this helps. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin I don’t care who you are, you are not walking on the water while I’m fishing.

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Hi folks. I am looking for a source of tiny metal (NOT glass) beads to tie size 20-24 bead head flies.  I picked up a few BW-WD40 size 22 in Montana this summer and they seem to work around here too ! Most beads I found around are too large for such small hooks. However, the fly shop in MT must have found their beads somewhere. Any suggestion ? I posted this query to ROFFT, and someone there suggested to post it here too, as many knowledgeable anglers post here but not on ROFFT. Cheers, -Vittorio

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Hi folks. I am looking for a source of tiny metal (NOT glass) beads to tie size 20-24 bead head flies.  I picked up a few BW-WD40 size 22 in Montana this summer and they seem to work around here too ! Most beads I found around are too large for such small hooks. However, the fly shop in MT must have found their beads somewhere. Any suggestion ?

ones in several types (brass, lead, ect) or try Then there is always National Feathercraft in St. Louis but I won’t recommend em. <g — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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Although you specified not glass. There are indeed quite a number of metallised glass beads available in a fair range of sizes.  For very small flies I have not been able to find anything as good as these in metal.  They have a number of advantages I think, They do not tarnish, they are available in a range of metallic colours, and they certainly provide enough weight on small flies. Durability does not seem to be a problem, as though I broke a few when putting them on the hooks, none have so far broken under actual fishing conditions. They are available at a lot of places, and they are cheap compared to metal beads. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks. I am looking for a source of tiny metal (NOT glass) beads to tie size 20-24 bead head flies.  I picked up a few BW-WD40 size 22 in Montana this summer and they seem to work around here too ! Most beads I found around are too large for such small hooks. However, the fly shop in MT must have found their beads somewhere. Any suggestion ? I posted this query to ROFFT, and someone there suggested to post it here too, as many knowledgeable anglers post here but not on ROFFT. Cheers, -Vittorio

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it. Still interested? — Mr. G.   ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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And who is Hairy Trout?

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Wolfgang,    It was a trade off for a well running Assembly Line.  Nothing upsets the tranquillity and the rods are constructed in a serene environment. Ernie Harrison Like to make fly-fishing stuff?  See: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No Glue Lines & Extraordinary Quality.  Assembly Line Running Very Well. Uh oh!!  No glue lines?  Seems to me I just read somewhere quite recently that visible glue lines are the very hallmark of quality.  What has happened to quality control?

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Wolfgang,    It was a trade off for a well running Assembly Line.  Nothing upsets the tranquillity and the rods are constructed in a serene environment.

Thanks for the reassurance Ernie.  Good to know that nothing is disturbing the Bastard’s Wa!

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And who is Hairy Trout?

I am the the new manager of the Bastard Bamboo Rod Company. When I returned here a few weeks ago we had the ability to produce rods. In the beginning George is making the very first few rods himself. My current responsibility is to insure that all of the equipment is running in a smooth order and to insure that machinery is producing quality items! Some of the equipment that is here  had a very limited purpose, i.e.. the ability to do only ones and twos. I am talking production here, I want the ability to deliver to the UPS driver at least 6 rods per day, eventually 8 to 10 rods per day. Monday a 12 segment stretching/straighting  rack was built. I feel this is a start,  plans are to add at least 12 to 24 slots to meet future demands. Today  all the parts to build a 16 rod segment rotating/drying rack to handle the  rod guide drying station where procured to meet production demands, now and into the future.  What’s next? I don’t know.  I ‘can" build it the need arises. Everyone around here is on their toes doing the  ’Boo Shuffle’ and several work station are now in a backlog of work in progress. That’s just the way I like seeing things happen. If I sound like George, believe me, this is not George. The mill is running so well that there are no glue lines. An occasional minor (minuscule)  glue line will be exceptable. The idea is to be able to fish a bamboo that is a quality fishing tool irreguadless of the minor cosmetics. Each rod is unique and different in surface character, and so, no two are "exactly" the same. There is no mistaking the fact that George is going against a tidal wave of differences of opinion.  He sees the beauty in bamboo and he is not hiding any of it.  What others think is ugly, he sees beauty.  Everyone will have to wait and see for themselves. The fishing quality will be there. How can a guy as ‘perfect’ as George, build a Bastard Bamboo?  Now I understand.  I see what he means when we leave ‘the character of China’ in the bamboo.  They are stunning. Doug Knight aka Hairy Trout Bastard Bamboo Manger. Snake River – Hell’s Canyon 110+ Degree bastard heat day, not much of a hatch this evening!

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Wolfgang,    It was a trade off for a well running Assembly Line.  Nothing upsets the tranquillity and the rods are constructed in a serene environment.

Ernie, George listens to Mozart, which requires extra coffee for me. On the other hand when he’s not in ear shot I jamming in the Goo goo Dolls or Radio Head. The elves here love the up beat tunes. Cap with two bills! Doug Knight Snake River

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Daytripper wrote A bit more seriously: George had noted that the tips on the first rod were way too soft for a 3-4. I’m wondering whether Dougie was fishing with a revised taper or not… /daytripper

‘Daytripper, Regardless of the taper, I was fishing Bamboo for the first time. The line I had on the rod was one line size to small for the first time. It was a line of an know quality as I inadvertently left the line that should have used back in Calif.. Now, ’soft’? Compared to what? Even under lined the rod would roll cast 30+ feet and  45+ total. The desired action was for a medium action. It was all of that. We did eventually find a  line to try and the rod felt perfect. The ideal is to find the perfect line for the rod, weight numbers irrespective. One brand might be better than another brand for a particular weight over another. We felt the true line weight could have been around 3.6 wt and and corrected our forms more closer to a true 4wt.  But what is the true 4 wt benchmark? Remember not to compare Bamboo against Graphite. I even wonder if the true line ratings are even relative, rod length and action, and a line weight that feels comfortable with both. Doug Knight Snake River

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No Glue Lines & Extraordinary Quality.  Assembly Line Running Very Well. Uh oh!!  No glue lines?  Seems to me I just read somewhere quite recently that visible glue lines are the very hallmark of quality.  What has happened to quality control?

LOL! Sounds like another Petard Hoisting in progress, eh? ;^) A bit more seriously: George had noted that the tips on the first rod were way too soft for a 3-4. I’m wondering whether Dougie was fishing with a revised taper or not… /daytripper

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Um, I wasn’t comparing anything – I was only relating what George has said about the first rod he cast being too soft in the tip, and wondering whether he’d gotten around to changing the taper yet or not… It sounds like he is indeed changing the taper. /daytripper – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Daytripper wrote A bit more seriously: George had noted that the tips on the first rod were way too soft for a 3-4. I’m wondering whether Dougie was fishing with a revised taper or not… Regardless of the taper, I was fishing Bamboo for the first time. The line I had on the rod was one line size to small for the first time. It was a line of an know quality as I inadvertently left the line that should have used back in Calif.. Now, ’soft’? Compared to what? Even under lined the rod would roll cast 30+ feet and  45+ total. The desired action was for a medium action. It was all of that. We did eventually find a  line to try and the rod felt perfect. The ideal is to find the perfect line for the rod, weight numbers irrespective. One brand might be better than another brand for a particular weight over another. We felt the true line weight could have been around 3.6 wt and and corrected our forms more closer to a true 4wt.  But what is the true 4 wt benchmark? Remember not to compare Bamboo against Graphite. I even wonder if the true line ratings are even relative, rod length and action, and a line weight that feels comfortable with both.

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What ? You mean that now they’re free  *AND* they last forever *AND* they cast exactly where you want them every time ? PERFECT ! — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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cast exactly where you want them every time ?< All my rods do.  Hell, almost every time I hit water!  <g

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From the looks of his post I would say it was George or his clone.  Perhaps George has a mold he puts his employees in and squeezes them till they come out just like him. Ernie. And who is Hairy Trout?

Hairy Trout wrote <sliced off a typical chunk of SPAM

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From the looks of his post I would say it was George or his clone.  Perhaps George has a mold he puts his employees in and squeezes them till they come out just like him. Ernie. And who is Hairy Trout? Hairy Trout wrote <sliced off a typical chunk of SPAM

Ernie, You must be hurt that that I have a professional relationship with him and I’m having fun to boot. Must be the fog you hang around in. In fact dear ole George has not been here for several weeks. George has been burning the candle pretty hard lately, try 12-14 hour days on average doing cane. Ernie if that was your best cast you missed the hatch. Doug Knight formerly Alameda Snake River

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After, so many years in both Payne shop and Leonard shop and having learned so much on Bamboo rods, I,m very much inclined that this myth on these rods that are been manufactured by you guys, could be?. It stands like this, lets see the finish product, let people that have knowledge and experience, with metal(reel seats) bamboo, tolerance, etc. etc.. All this could be possible. Lets see it. Thanks My best to George. Paul

+AD4-No Glue Lines +ACY- Extraordinary Quality.  Assembly Line Running Very Well. +AD4-

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No Glue Lines & Extraordinary Quality.  Assembly Line Running Very Well.

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No Glue Lines & Extraordinary Quality.  Assembly Line Running Very Well.

Uh oh!!  No glue lines?  Seems to me I just read somewhere quite recently that visible glue lines are the very hallmark of quality.  What has happened to quality control?

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Anybody here have experiance with the (made in Argentina) White River flyreels sold by Bass Proshops?  I’m interested in the largest model with disc drag and 300 yard backing capacity for some saltwater flyfishing on a budget.  They retail for $59.99.  Thanks for the input. Spy in Hawaii

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Anybody here have experiance with the (made in Argentina) White River flyreels sold by Bass Proshops?  I’m interested in the largest model with disc drag and 300 yard backing capacity for some saltwater flyfishing on a budget.  They retail for $59.99.  Thanks for the input. Spy in Hawaii

Spy, I hope for your sake that you never hook a "big" fish on any $59.99 "Saltwater reel". I suspect it will melt on your rod like m&m’s in your mouth. However, I admit I’m not familiar with the brand, so I could be completely wrong….been there a few times. I’d shop around. You always get what you pay for. Walt —          The Blue Ridge Book Gallery      P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS/HOME.HTM

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hello all- i am going on a vacation to the oregon cascades in a couple of weeks and i am looking for any suggestions on where to fish for trout. i will be taking my uncle and cousin- both beginners. we already plan to spend at least one day on crane prairie- anywhere else come to mind, say within 50 miles or so? thanks a million, greg

Greg, Anywhere on Century Drive late August should be fantastic! I love Hosmer, Sparks and the Sheeps Bridge area on the Deschutes Arm of Wickiup. The Browns start to move up into the Deschutes preparing to spawn and early morning and evening fishing can be incredible. I once saw a gentleman from Bend fishing the oxbow bend below the guard station accross from Twin Lakes release a ten pound brown with the comment that "you can only keep two fish and you want them to be good ones".(actually, they all should be released!)I was afraid to let my setter in the water there because of the size of the fish rolling everywhere. You should have Brooks at Sparks, Brooks and Atlantics at Hosmer, Kocs and Rainbow at Craine Prairie, and Browns in Wickiup all easily within your 50 mile radius. The area is Magic!!!!! Enjoy. Tight Lines  Jean

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hello all- i am going on a vacation to the oregon cascades in a couple of weeks and i am looking for any suggestions on where to fish for trout. i will be taking my uncle and cousin- both beginners. we already plan to spend at least one day on crane prairie- anywhere else come to mind, say within 50 miles or so? thanks a million, greg

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hello all- i am going on a vacation to the oregon cascades in a couple of weeks and i am looking for any suggestions on where to fish for trout. i will be taking my uncle and cousin- both beginners. we already plan to spend at least one day on crane prairie- anywhere else come to mind, say within 50 miles or so? thanks a million, greg

Below are from my own personal experiences over about 15 years.   Others may well have different opinions. Wickiup Reservoir: kokanee during the day, BIG browns in evening.  (Look at pictures at Twin Lakes Store on the way in.)  Get on the lake early and expect high winds to blow you off between 11:00am and 1:00pm.  Usually calm down about sundown. Lava Lake: lots of trout; brookies and rainbows. Hosmer Lake (fly fishing only): large brook trout, catch and release Atlantic Salmon. Upper Deschutes River (between Lava and Crane Prairie): brookies and rainbows. Upper Deschutes River (between Wickiup and Pringle Falls): rainbows and browns; take dirt road between Pringle Falls and Wickiup and fish from shore, or find a place to launch boat, somewhere.  (I float tube it – 2 1/2 hour drift). Paulina Lake and East Lake (both in Newberry Crater – make a side trip to the observation point for the view and information about the crater, well worth it). Paulina: large browns in very early morning, kokanee later – usually very clear water and beautiful setting; East Lake: mostly for large rainbow and browns, high mercury content in water (natural, not man made), so read warnings. Davis Lake (fly fishing only): large rainbows. Cultus Lake: Huge Lake Trout, but hard to catch, and many water skiers. Cultus River looks likely, but the water is full of natural sulfer and there are no fish in it. As a general rule, forget: Elk Lake, Twin Lakes, Fall River, Little Lava Lake, unless you are with someone who is experienced with them. Good luck. — Max Max Whittington Investigations Beaverton (Portland), Oregon http://www.inetarena.com/~mwi

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Davis Lake (fly fishing only): large rainbows. Cultus Lake: Huge Lake Trout, but hard to catch, and many water skiers. Cultus River looks likely, but the water is full of natural sulfer and there are no fish in it. As a general rule, forget: Elk Lake, Twin Lakes, Fall River, Little Lava Lake, unless you are with someone who is experienced with them. Good luck. — Max Max Whittington Investigations Beaverton (Portland), Oregon http://www.inetarena.com/~mwi

Also, try getting a map and if you don’t mind a few miles of washboard dirt road try Little Cultus lake.  The fish aren’t big but they’re plentiful and pretty easy to catch ; ) rn

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jFirst off 1 day a Crane will not do it or yourself justice. I would plan for at least 2 or 3 days unless you are really pressed for time. Big Lava Lake is near there and is another excellent trout lake. Give it a try too. hello all- i am going on a vacation to the oregon cascades in a couple of weeks and i am looking for any suggestions on where to fish for trout. i will be taking my uncle and cousin- both beginners. we already plan to spend at least one day on crane prairie- anywhere else come to mind, say within 50 miles or so? thanks a million, greg

– No mans property is safe when congress is in session…

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Greetings. I made a reference to Chatham being the only GREAT flyfishing writer alive today (please, this is NOT a John Gierach troll….). I have a specific honest and open-minded question that I ask at the bottom of this post…. Someone responed (I need to go see whom)…"What about Thomas McGuane ?" Well, I wasn’t really sure and hadn’t read any T. McGuane recently, so I read "The Longest Silence" yesterday. I must say that what I read really got me in a lather, it was difficult for me to even get off page one and I recalled my previous feeling for the man. It was not GREAT writing, far from it. The problem was that he made reference to meat hunters and their gunnysack full mentality and how if he hears one more person ask him "is they good to et ?" he would go nuts (which is fine and dandy, he is allowed to have an opinion) but then he went on to (discussing the pursuit of permit) say that "if you have one mounted….", (what you could expect), etc. So I read (in no uncertain terms)… 1) Hunting for meat is beyond reproach. 2) Hunting for a trophy is acceptible. And, as far as I’m concerned….McGuane can pound sand… But that was just the tip…I felt like he was bragging the whole time…about his fearless hauling ass in his overpowered skiff and ricking life and limb in the process. Actually "Bragging" describes his writing farily accurately to me (kind of the way I feel when I read Wulff). Does he write well ?  Perhaps, if you would call inflammatory remarks and bragging ‘writing well’.  A GREAT fishing writer should not rely on this sort of thing, IMO, however popular with his constituents.  It simply is never necessary in the telling of any story by a GREAT writer. I immediately reread Chathams "No Wind in the Willows" (both short stories are in Sports Afield "A Flyfishers Reader") and was brought back to a semblance of calm. Not unlike the transient calmness brought on by the writings in "Waterlog" In fact, if you want me to mellow out entirely, pool together and buy me a subscription to this, the best fishing periodical in the world (Gray’s Sporting News excepted). I guess if asked to surmise… Chatham took me fishing. McGuane took me with him while he fished. Chatham had ’soul’. McGuane only spouted. What can I say, I loved the former but loathed the latter. I’d hate to formulate an opinion on one short story…thus my question…. Can someone point me to "good" McGuane ? Or maybe they meant Thomas Macintyre ? — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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And no-one could accuse you of making "inflammatory remarks" could they Tim??? — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings. Does he write well ?  Perhaps, if you would call inflammatory remarks and bragging ‘writing well’.  A GREAT fishing writer should not rely on this

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And no-one could accuse you of making "inflammatory remarks" could they Tim???

But, uh…with all due respect… We were discussing GREAT fishing author’s and not… "The Efficacy of Beligerance in an Internet Flyfishing Newsgroup…". But if you wanna start that thread….go for it ! — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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Moe asked: <Can someone point me to "good" McGuane ? Impossible.  Go reread Hemingway.

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It’s supposed to be funny!  I think he’s as cynical as they come and I tend to like that sort of thing.  Have you read the Sporting Club?  It makes a lot of fun of the "sports" and they (we) deserve it– in a good way.

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I am willing to wager that any one sentence chosen at random from McGuane’s "Essays On Sport" is more worthy of our attention than anything that will ever pop into your pea brain.  (For example, unlike you, he knows how to spell the word "acceptable.")   If you fish no better than you write, I doubt you’ll ever pose a serious threat to permit.

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It’s a bit harsh to pull someone up for a spelling mistake. Not using the spell checker yes, fair enough but not for a spelling mistake! — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am willing to wager that any one sentence chosen at random from McGuane’s "Essays On Sport" is more worthy of our attention than anything that will ever pop into your pea brain.  (For example, unlike you, he knows how to spell the word "acceptable.")   If you fish no better than you write, I doubt you’ll ever pose a serious threat to permit.

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I made a reference to Chatham being the only GREAT flyfishing writer alive today (please, this is NOT a John Gierach troll….). I have a specific honest and open-minded question that I ask at the bottom of this post….

Wait a minute, I seem to recall a post not so long ago where you maintained a certain writer (whose name I won’t mention) couldn’t possibly be a GREAT fly fishing writer because eighth graders wouldn’t ever be required to read his work (creating a situation where there might only be five "great" writers in all the history of man). Is Chatham required reading in junior high? Tight lines, TC

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Moe asked: <Can someone point me to "good" McGuane ? Impossible.  Go reread Hemingway.

if there is one thing I hate it’s people using Hemingway as an example of a great FF writer. A great writer he was, perhaps the best of a great lot the US of A produced this century. But as a fisherman and a writer about FF he was just a duffer; a mere pedestrian. Most who fished with him ( and lived to regret the experience) – remarked he wasn’t much of a fisherman.Much of his reputation was thanks to his talent for bragging and fabrication (he was a writer of fiction after all!) Hemmingway publically admitted to admiring Haig-Brown – enough said. Ralph H note spurious hyperbole, insults and ‘personal attacks’ made by the author are meant to honour "the Soul of Cicero" and are not intended as personal slights. Please don’t take offense as none is intended. remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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Read McGuane’s short story "Molly" in an Outside Chance. If you have ever owned a bird dog you will laugh your ass off.

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Excellent point on McGuane’s rehashing of the same plot line and though he can make his rehash interesting sometimes, Nothing but Blue Skies was barely readable.  To this day, it remains 80 pages short of unread for me with no intent to ever pick it back up. To interject a new arguement though, I can’t say enough though about David James Duncan.  The section of The River Why discussing the weight of a scientist’s frozen brain was absolute comedic brilliance. Cheers, Ivan

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Excellent point on McGuane’s rehashing of the same plot line and though he can make his rehash interesting sometimes, Nothing but Blue Skies was barely readable.  To this day, it remains 80 pages short of unread for me with no intent to ever pick it back up. To interject a new arguement though, I can’t say enough though about David James Duncan.  The section of The River Why discussing the weight of a scientist’s frozen brain was absolute comedic brilliance.

I read "The River Why" not long ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. It was actually assigned to one of my sons’ high school english class to read. — Charlie…

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: I read "The River Why" not long ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. It was : actually assigned to one of my sons’ high school english class to : read. Beautiful stuff indeed.  So good, I can’t bring myself to read Duncan’s other work in case it doesn’t match up.  I guess I’m losing my optimistic side… — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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The title just about says it all.  I’m just starting out fly fishing for steelheads and am planning to haunt the NE Ohio/ NW PA lake Erie tribs in the near future.  Any information, stories, suggestions, or stern warnings would be appreciated. —                        http://members.tripod.com/~trunculo/index

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Watch the weather…  I don’t know how far you will be driving, but you don’t want to have to go back home and get an ice pick.. Actually, this Winter has offered more open water than any in my memory.  PA stream conditions are posted intermittently at the NWPA Chapter of TU web site.  I do not have the url handy, but just put Northwest PA Chapter Trout Unlimited into any of the popular search engines and you will get there.

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Thanks for the tips.  As luck would have it, I drove up there last week and found myself trying to calculate just how much split shot would be required to sink my egg pattern through several feet of slush to where the fishies are.  Oh well, Elk Creek is very pretty and I’ll be heading back up there. On the way home, I stopped by a local (Clear Fork Creek, by Mansfield, OH) trout stream and did pretty well on olive woolly buggers.  Life could be _much_ worse. : Watch the weather…  I don’t know how far you will be driving, but you don’t : want to have to go back home and get an ice pick.. : Actually, this Winter has offered more open water than any in my memory.  PA : stream conditions are posted intermittently at the NWPA Chapter of TU web site. :  I do not have the url handy, but just put Northwest PA Chapter Trout Unlimited : into any of the popular search engines and you will get there. —                        http://members.tripod.com/~trunculo/index

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Sorry to post a double follow-up, but that url is http://www.tu.org/index.html    Thanks for the tip! : Watch the weather…  I don’t know how far you will be driving, but you don’t : want to have to go back home and get an ice pick.. : Actually, this Winter has offered more open water than any in my memory.  PA : stream conditions are posted intermittently at the NWPA Chapter of TU web site. :  I do not have the url handy, but just put Northwest PA Chapter Trout Unlimited : into any of the popular search engines and you will get there. —                        http://members.tripod.com/~trunculo/index

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Montgomery, Noel D.) writes: Hammond) writes… | | I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If | it works for you great.  If you haven’t tried it before, | I’d bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite | brand containing 95-100% deet. | | I was curious to see how SSS and Muskol compared because I would rather use a non-deet repellant.  So during one trip I did in the middle of Algonquin Park (it was very hot and there were tons of nice, big mosquitoes) I did a test.  I put SSS on the bare skin of one arm and Muskol on the other. They worked equally well for about a half an hour and then the SSS lost its effectiveness.  The Muskol lasted for hours.  I usually bring both and use the Muskol  on my clothes and hat .  The SSS is too labour intensive having to put it on too often to be effective when the bugs are really bad. – Lori (ps sorry to whoever(I think it was Steve Hammond) I accidently e-mailed this  post to … Hit the wrong button!)

Saw something sometime recently (how’s that for a solid start?) that SSS isn’t really a repellent at all.  It’s oily, so it coats the skin and the mosquitoes can’t get to the skin … or because of it’s scent, the mosquitoes can’t smell the blood. It might work at first, but once perspiration dilutes it and/or washes it away, you would be without protection.

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I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If it works for you great.  If you haven’t tried it before, I’d bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite brand containing 95-100% deet. I go to the army surplus store and buy a little plastic squeeze bottle of army issue incent repellant.  I believe it’s 90% deet. I’ve been using the same bottle for three seasons.  It cost me about $2.  It works. —

I used that stuff when I was in the USAF…dissolved the vinyl steering wheel in my jeep too.  Left neato fingerprints on anything plastic. Anyway, it did work.  I also read an article once that said the most affective concentration of DEET was about 30%.  This was an Army study, so maybe the latest Army-issue stuff only has about 30% DEET in it.  I buy any brand with about that much in it and they seem to work fine.  I like the stinky ones…reminds me of when I was a kid and going camping, kinda like when you smell sun tan lotion and you remember when you were a kid going to the beach.. Brian — Brian Dixon, Machine Vision Engineer, Hewlett Packard (Corvallis, Oregon)

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After 14 mosquito-free years in Southern California, I get to move to Massachusetts for grad school…  Any mosquitoes there?

Well, I don’t believe the mosquitos are that bad, but up north you have an evil creature called the black fly.  Never encountered one, but from what I hear they’re worse than any mosquito bite. Mosquitos are bad, but I’ll walk into a cloud of mosquitos any day over a cloud of no-see-ums!         Mark — <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mark Crafts                                                   Melbourne FL

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After 14 mosquito-free years in Southern California, I get to move to Massachusetts for grad school…  Any mosquitoes there? Well, I don’t believe the mosquitos are that bad, but up north you have an evil creature called the black fly.  Never encountered one, but from what I hear they’re worse than any mosquito bite. Mosquitos are bad, but I’ll walk into a cloud of mosquitos any day over a cloud of no-see-ums!

A few years back, I went Pike fishing in the Adirondacks.  When I went back to the house, there were about 20 one inch trails of dry blood on my face. I was told that "black flies" were the culprits.  Are these the same critters that we’re talking about here?        Mark — <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mark Crafts                                                   Melbourne FL

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Saw something sometime recently (how’s that for a solid start?) that SSS isn’t really a repellent at all.  It’s oily, so it coats the skin and the mosquitoes can’t get to the skin … or because of it’s scent, the mosquitoes can’t smell the blood. Just so you win future trivial pursuit games, I think the current consensus is that mosquitos home in on the CO .                                             2

I think they follow CO2 trails, but home in on heat for the kill. How else can you explain the mosquito bite on my ankle? After 14 mosquito-free years in Southern California, I get to move to Massachusetts for grad school…  Any mosquitoes there?

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I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If it works for you great.  If you haven’t tried it before, I’d bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite brand containing 95-100% deet.

I go to the army surplus store and buy a little plastic squeeze bottle of army issue incent repellant.  I believe it’s 90% deet. I’ve been using the same bottle for three seasons.  It cost me about $2.  It works. — John Fereira Viacom Cable Pleasanton, CA

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Saw something sometime recently (how’s that for a solid start?) that SSS isn’t really a repellent at all.  It’s oily, so it coats the skin and the mosquitoes can’t get to the skin … or because of it’s scent, the mosquitoes can’t smell the blood.

Just so you win future trivial pursuit games, I think the current consensus is that mosquitos home in on the CO .                                              2         Mark — <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mark Crafts                                                   Melbourne FL

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| Saw something sometime recently (how’s that for a solid start?) that SSS | isn’t really a repellent at all.  It’s oily, so it coats the skin and the | mosquitoes can’t get to the skin … or because of it’s scent, the mosquitoes | can’t smell the blood. | | It might work at first, but once perspiration dilutes it and/or washes it away, | you would be without protection. | Actually, I put very little on so that is absorbs into the skin and your skin isn’t oily at all.  I thought I heard that it had citronella  (the stuff they make bug candles with) in it but I’m not sure.

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I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If it works for you great.  If you haven’t tried it before, I’d bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite brand containing 95-100% deet.   Steve —  Scientific Computing Division            /* /  _][     National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO     ____

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I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If it works for you great.  If you haven't tried it before, I'd bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite brand containing 95-100% deet.

Yes, my ex-neighbor the entomologist (bug-man) said that SSS does nothing for mosquitos.  DEET is the way to go.  He did say that it works for very small biting insects like black flies because it drowns them.  Steve -- Scientific Computing Division            /* /  _][     National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO     ____

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| | I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If | it works for you great.  If you haven’t tried it before, | I’d bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite | brand containing 95-100% deet. | | I was curious to see how SSS and Muskol compared because I would rather use a non-deet repellant.  So during one trip I did in the middle of Algonquin Park (it was very hot and there were tons of nice, big mosquitoes) I did a test.  I put SSS on the bare skin of one arm and Muskol on the other. They worked equally well for about a half an hour and then the SSS lost its effectiveness.  The Muskol lasted for hours.  I usually bring both and use the Muskol  on my clothes and hat .  The SSS is too labour intensive having to put it on too often to be effective when the bugs are really bad. – Lori (ps sorry to whoever(I think it was Steve Hammond) I accidently e-mailed this   post to … Hit the wrong button!)

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I’ve been thinking about fishing (fly) in the Burney CA area. Can anyone give information on guides, tackle, good spots (I guess on the Fall or other smaller creeks), and places to stay/visit. Well, anything would be nice. Thanks in advance. greg miller

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Call Andre Puyans at Creative Sports in Pleasant Hill, CA. No one in the Bay Area knows the Fall River, Hat Creek, etc. like Andy does.  He spent a couple of years camped out by the side of road tying flies and exploring.  510-938-2255.

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Forgot to add that the Fall River is boat access only. Limited access, deep, and soft unwadeable bottem. The standard technique is to use a skiff with electronic motor go upstream (easier to get home when the motor fails) get upstream of a pod of fish and cast down and across to them from the anchored skiff.  Very smooth surface with educated fish.  I love it! Hat Creek has everthing from tumbling freestone to ripples and long smooth runs.  Haven’t had a chance to the other rivers or lakes which I here are great. I’m really looking forward to a week by myself with out the family exploring the area. Guides:  George Durand 916-222-5630               Somes Bar Lodge & Guide Service Upper Sacremento                916-469-3399               Lava Creek Lodge Fall River Andy will give you the name & number of the fly shop in Burney.

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I’ve been thinking about fishing (fly) in the Burney CA area. Can anyone give information on guides, tackle, good spots (I guess on the Fall or other smaller creeks), and places to stay/visit. Well, anything would be nice. Thanks in advance. greg miller

Greg, I’m fairly familiar with the area. Email your phone # or call me: (510)486-5317 l

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Some places to fish when you’re in the Burney area: Fall River, Hat Creek, Pit River, MaCloud River, Upper & Lower Sacramento River, Trinity River, Baum Lake, Lewiston Lake and McCumber Lake.  Too many choices! I’ll be up in the area in October for a week.  I’ll focus on the Fall River, Hat Creek and MaCloud Rivers and if I have any spare time I may try fishing Baum Lake.

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