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I’m mighty afraid one Frank will be holding on for dear life as a huge smallie heads for the Bay and the other Frank will be up at the camp store and up to no good with Katy! Watch out Frank!  Her husband has a gun….a BIG gun!

    My wife says to go for it either way, crab bait in the bay or human colander.  Sumpin’ about my GI life insurance thats good till the end of the month and the other policies I signed for the new job and house.  Is there a way I can combine the two and go out in a true blaze of glory?     BTW folks, I want to let you know that I will be celebrating this weekend.  I just got my grades in from my Capstone course for my Masters Degree.  Dun aced it.  I now be edumakated.  Will have that sheepskin in January.  But no more studying, just paperwork.  So if you see me late at night by the river projectile chumming, its just an old college tradition.  If its done into a noisy drum set, its an act of God d;)                                  Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Frank, one of the few things at the camp store is ICE! Good chance I’ll be rolling in Saturday evening for some action (smallies not Katy).  I don’t want to get there and find some Frank in my favorite — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Congratulations Frank!  Boy, just what we need, another overeducated newbie yuppie in the middle of the river waving a long stick around!! <G — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     My wife says to go for it either way, crab bait in the bay or human colander.  Sumpin’ about my GI life insurance thats good till the end of the month and the other policies I signed for the new job and house.  Is there a way I can combine the two and go out in a true blaze of glory?     BTW folks, I want to let you know that I will be celebrating this weekend.  I just got my grades in from my Capstone course for my Masters Degree.  Dun aced it.  I now be edumakated.  Will have that sheepskin in January.  But no more studying, just paperwork.  So if you see me late at night by the river projectile chumming, its just an old college tradition.  If its done into a noisy drum set, its an act of God d;)                                  Frank Reid

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Your mention of visiting Katy brings rise (no pun intended) to a question of replenishing ice in my 60qt backbreaker cooler…do they got some, and could I get some from Katy (ice!)  In the scenario mentioned below, while I appreciate you even imagining me fooling around with a woman probably 1/3rd my age, I prefer to be the guy hanging on for dear life with the smallie, being drug out to sea.  An ass full of buckshot ain’t the way I wanna go!!  I’d love to go to dinner with you guys Wayne, but if it means not fishing during the best time of the day, on top with poppers or hoppers, I’ll pass.  No offense intended.  Man, I got some viscious looking black RabbitStripFlashers tied up, can’t wait. Frank (only one hole in my butt and I wanna keep it that way) Church

|In article | BTW, I’m in for Saturday night (hooray!).   There will be three of |us: me, | fishin’ buddy (Craig), & BIL(Mike).   Hope to get set up by dark. |Start the | campfire & chill the beer. | | Joe F. | |Will you guys be having dinner after you set-up or on the way in? |Frank and Frank will already be there but I won’t be able to get there |until around 6 pm.  If you’re eating on the way in we can get together |in Fredericksburg.  We might even be able to entice F&F to join us if |we can pry them off the river!  I’m mighty afraid one Frank will be |holding on for dear life as a huge smallie heads for the Bay and the |other Frank will be up at the camp store and up to no good with Katy! |Watch out Frank!  Her husband has a gun….a BIG gun! | |– |Wayne (no need to distinguish between Franks in the preceeding remarks) |To fish is human….To release Divine! | | |Before you buy.

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BTW, I’m in for Saturday night (hooray!).   There will be three of us: me, fishin’ buddy (Craig), & BIL(Mike).   Hope to get set up by dark. Start the campfire & chill the beer. Joe F.

Will you guys be having dinner after you set-up or on the way in? Frank and Frank will already be there but I won’t be able to get there until around 6 pm.  If you’re eating on the way in we can get together in Fredericksburg.  We might even be able to entice F&F to join us if we can pry them off the river!  I’m mighty afraid one Frank will be holding on for dear life as a huge smallie heads for the Bay and the other Frank will be up at the camp store and up to no good with Katy! Watch out Frank!  Her husband has a gun….a BIG gun! — Wayne (no need to distinguish between Franks in the preceeding remarks) To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Will you guys be having dinner after you set-up or on the way in? Frank and Frank will already be there but I won’t be able to get there until around 6 pm.  If you’re eating on the way in we can get together in Fredericksburg.

Hoping to get on the road by 5 p.m. and in the campground by 8.   Dinner in F’burg sounds good; but I’d really like to get set up by dark.   We’ll get there quicker if we just pick up clown food off the Rt 3 exit.   Or, we may pack food to go.   Or, SWMBO may insist on an early dinner w/ family (in which case departure time is wont to slip a bit).   If we make good time getting there, we may be able to grab a bite after setting up, but that’s too last-minute for you to plan dinner around. I’m still pulling it all together with the two guys on this end.   I played the BIL card masterfully, BTW.   It was SWMBO who suggested leaving Saturday (well okay, if you think that’s best <g). I’m psyched. Joe F.

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departure time is wont to slip a bit).   If we make good time getting there, we may be able to grab a bite after setting up, but that’s too last- minute for you to plan dinner around. I’m still pulling it all together with the two guys on this end.   I played the BIL card masterfully, BTW.   It was SWMBO who suggested leaving Saturday (well okay, if you think that’s best <g). I’m psyched. Joe F.

OK!  See you at the campground.  I’m going to try to get over early enough to grab an hour or so on the river with popping bugs.  About an hour or so before you get there, and maybe you will be able to hear the ruckus while you’re setting up, the river should virtually ERUPT with rising small mouth!  Water levels look perfect and conditions should be ideal.  Cool nights, warm days , and with luck a tinge in cloudiness from a thundershower Friday night. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Okay, okay…..I’ll make some notes and have the wife quiz me and I’ll learn all the hook names, sizes and numbers…….but I have on occasion tied with – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good to hear that Wayne, didja cut some of that tail off?  I tole you those green monsters ketch smallies!  I *will* shorten the tails on the rest of mine.  BTW, I tied up a couple of monster black rabbit strip jobbies today, will do a few more over the weekend.  Thanks for the report, I’m still pumped!  The animals in question should have no fear since Dave LaCourse won’t be there.  (unless Frank Jr has weird inclinations we don’t know about, yet) ) Frank Church Elkhart, IN I started off |with one of Frank Church’s rabbit fur concoctions (large size) and had 2 |SAVAGE strikes in 2 casts!!  No hook-ups as they were striking short on the |long tail.  I switched to a Murray’s Lead-eyed Hellgrammite and took 5 small |mouth without leaving the same ledge and not walking more than 15 feet. Two |were over 14".  Now, this was in the first 30 minutes of fishing today. For |the rest of this trip report, you’ll have to listen to it at the Great |Rappahannock River Rendevouz August 20!

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The animals in question should have no fear since Dave LaCourse won’t be there.  (unless Frank Jr has weird inclinations we don’t know about, yet) )

      Those inclinations are considered perfectly normal in the area of Los Angeles that I grew up.       Frank, took your fly and tied it in black with a shorter tail on a stinger hook with dumbell eyes.  I kept hearing about hellgrammites and black clousers so I figured your pattern would be awesome used the same way.  We’ll see about it when we get there.      I now have a wading staff.  I went to a local ski shop and they gave me an old banged up ski pole for free.  (okay, I begged a little). I figure the only disadvantage to it is it won’t collapse (but I may).      I’m definately getting psyched for this trip.  See you all there.                   Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Cool Frank…after I sent the post asking Wayne if he shortened the rabbit strip, I thought to tie a stinger hook in tandem and somehow thread it thru the rabbit strip on a piece of 10 lb test line.  Gonna work on it this weekend.  BTW, dusted off the old portable grill and it works just fine…waited a little long to put the match to it after turning on the gas and received a WHOOMP! and a big ball of flame for my stupidity. Lucky I wasn’t leaning over it at the time. :-/ Frank (just call me "no eyebrows") Church

||      Frank, took your fly and tied it in black with a shorter tail on |a stinger hook with dumbell eyes.  I kept hearing about hellgrammites |and black clousers so I figured your pattern would be awesome used the |same way.  We’ll see about it when we get there.

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   You been hanging around Joe Bruce’s Angler’s Edge I see.  Its a nice fly and takes about a third the time that my craw does and probably fishes just as well.  Mine’s cuddlier though.

Yes, and I was remiss to leave Joe’s name off the "Bruce’s Crystal Crayfish". I tied a bunch of ‘em last night while watching the Hill & Bill show.   They’re simple enough for me to tie, and that’s good.   My fly box for the RRR is growing nicely since I’ve been tying an hour or two each day for a week. BTW, I’m in for Saturday night (hooray!).   There will be three of us: me, fishin’ buddy (Craig), & BIL(Mike).   Hope to get set up by dark.   Start the campfire & chill the beer. Joe F. p.s. Wayne H. – Mike is also a black powder shooter.   (As opposed to white powder snorters <g)

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OK Tim…imagine a wooley bugger dressed in Cactus Ice Chenille…I use lead eyes on a keel hook, wrap some .025 lead wire on first 3/4’s on the shank, and instead of the traditional marabou tail, tie in a chartruese rabbit strip, extending it forward and tie off ahead of the eyes.

Sounds very similar to the "Crystal Crayfish" I’m tying up.   Close to a bugger, except the tail is a couple small strips of rabbit & a couple long strands of copper flash.   The body is crystal chenille with lead eyes but no lead wire. Kind of a bastard cross between a wooly bugger & a Clouser minnow.   Tied with root beer colored chenille, it has a decent crayfish look to it. Joe F.

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Sounds very similar to the "Crystal Crayfish" I’m tying up.   Close to a bugger, except the tail is a couple small strips of rabbit & a couple long strands of copper flash.   The body is crystal chenille with lead eyes but no lead wire. Kind of a bastard cross between a wooly bugger & a Clouser minnow. Tied with root beer colored chenille, it has a decent crayfish look to it. Joe F.

   You been hanging around Joe Bruce’s Angler’s Edge I see.  Its a nice fly and takes about a third the time that my craw does and probably fishes just as well.  Mine’s cuddlier though.              Frank Reid Before you buy.

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Yeah Tim, know what you mean with the addiction stuff.  Really, I’m just a newbie tier, been fumbling around with it for about 2 yrs and still can only tie the simple ones and not too good at that.  One thing I have learned tho, the fish don’t give a dang how well you finished the fly if it looks good to eat.  I get all over the place eventually, whereabouts you located?  Come to think of it, if you’re fishing for smallies, send me your snail mail addy and I’ll ship a few over your way. Frank Church

|Frank, Next time your coming through here let me know. Maybe we can hook |up and I can see one of these guys. I am not tieing my own stuff,,,yet, |so I have a vague idea of what your talking about. I am planning on |doing a class through MLFS this fall,next step in the addiction I |reckon? Tim Long | | | OK Tim…imagine a wooley bugger dressed in Cactus Ice Chenille…I |use | lead eyes on a keel hook, wrap some .025 lead wire on first 3/4’s on |the | shank, and instead of the traditional marabou tail, tie in a |chartruese | rabbit strip, extending it forward and tie off ahead of the eyes. The | chartruese worked good for me on the James and Maury, and Wayne Hart | says to tie up some in black for the Rapp.  I’m in the middle of that | now.  I’m also going to incorporate a stinger hook extending back |under | the tail for the short strikers.  BTW, I make my own keel hooks with | judicious use of needlenose pliers on long shank streamer hooks, |either | straight ring eye or down eye.  Nothing fancy here. | | Frank Church | Elkhart, IN | USAF RET. |

| |I would like to hear more of this rabbit fur concoction of yours. If | the | |Rappahanok is fishing like the James you guys should have a great |time. | |Thursday the James was a little stained from the recent rains | |slowing down the top water action but wooly buggers and helgramite | |patterns were producing some nice fish in the riffles. A site I use | |alot, may help some of y’alls planning: | |http://va.water.usgs.gov/rt-cgi/gen_tbl_pg?page=1 | |Tim, wish I could be there, Long | | | | | | | | | | | | Cool Frank…after I sent the post asking Wayne if he shortened the | | rabbit strip, I thought to tie a stinger hook in tandem and somehow | | thread it thru the rabbit strip on a piece of 10 lb test line. |Gonna | | work on it this weekend.  BTW, dusted off the old portable grill |and | |it | | works just fine…waited a little long to put the match to it after | | turning on the gas and received a WHOOMP! and a big ball of flame |for | |my | | stupidity. | | Lucky I wasn’t leaning over it at the time. :-/ | | | | Frank (just call me "no eyebrows") Church | | | | ||      Frank, took your fly and tied it in black with a shorter |tail | |on | | |a stinger hook with dumbell eyes.  I kept hearing about | hellgrammites | | |and black clousers so I figured your pattern would be awesome used | |the | | |same way.  We’ll see about it when we get there. | | | | | | | | | |Before you buy. | | | | |Before you buy.

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Frank, Next time your coming through here let me know. Maybe we can hook up and I can see one of these guys. I am not tieing my own stuff,,,yet, so I have a vague idea of what your talking about. I am planning on doing a class through MLFS this fall,next step in the addiction I reckon? Tim Long – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK Tim…imagine a wooley bugger dressed in Cactus Ice Chenille…I use lead eyes on a keel hook, wrap some .025 lead wire on first 3/4’s on the shank, and instead of the traditional marabou tail, tie in a chartruese rabbit strip, extending it forward and tie off ahead of the eyes.  The chartruese worked good for me on the James and Maury, and Wayne Hart says to tie up some in black for the Rapp.  I’m in the middle of that now.  I’m also going to incorporate a stinger hook extending back under the tail for the short strikers.  BTW, I make my own keel hooks with judicious use of needlenose pliers on long shank streamer hooks, either straight ring eye or down eye.  Nothing fancy here. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RET. |I would like to hear more of this rabbit fur concoction of yours. If the |Rappahanok is fishing like the James you guys should have a great time. |Thursday the James was a little stained from the recent rains |slowing down the top water action but wooly buggers and helgramite |patterns were producing some nice fish in the riffles. A site I use |alot, may help some of y’alls planning: |http://va.water.usgs.gov/rt-cgi/gen_tbl_pg?page=1 |Tim, wish I could be there, Long | | | | | | Cool Frank…after I sent the post asking Wayne if he shortened the | rabbit strip, I thought to tie a stinger hook in tandem and somehow | thread it thru the rabbit strip on a piece of 10 lb test line. Gonna | work on it this weekend.  BTW, dusted off the old portable grill and |it | works just fine…waited a little long to put the match to it after | turning on the gas and received a WHOOMP! and a big ball of flame for |my | stupidity. | Lucky I wasn’t leaning over it at the time. :-/ | | Frank (just call me "no eyebrows") Church | | ||      Frank, took your fly and tied it in black with a shorter tail |on | |a stinger hook with dumbell eyes.  I kept hearing about hellgrammites | |and black clousers so I figured your pattern would be awesome used |the | |same way.  We’ll see about it when we get there. | | | | |Before you buy.

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OK Tim…imagine a wooley bugger dressed in Cactus Ice Chenille…I use lead eyes on a keel hook, wrap some .025 lead wire on first 3/4’s on the shank, and instead of the traditional marabou tail, tie in a chartruese rabbit strip, extending it forward and tie off ahead of the eyes.  The chartruese worked good for me on the James and Maury, and Wayne Hart says to tie up some in black for the Rapp.  I’m in the middle of that now.  I’m also going to incorporate a stinger hook extending back under the tail for the short strikers.  BTW, I make my own keel hooks with judicious use of needlenose pliers on long shank streamer hooks, either straight ring eye or down eye.  Nothing fancy here. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RET.

|I would like to hear more of this rabbit fur concoction of yours. If the |Rappahanok is fishing like the James you guys should have a great time. |Thursday the James was a little stained from the recent rains |slowing down the top water action but wooly buggers and helgramite |patterns were producing some nice fish in the riffles. A site I use |alot, may help some of y’alls planning: |http://va.water.usgs.gov/rt-cgi/gen_tbl_pg?page=1 |Tim, wish I could be there, Long | | | | | | Cool Frank…after I sent the post asking Wayne if he shortened the | rabbit strip, I thought to tie a stinger hook in tandem and somehow | thread it thru the rabbit strip on a piece of 10 lb test line.  Gonna | work on it this weekend.  BTW, dusted off the old portable grill and |it | works just fine…waited a little long to put the match to it after | turning on the gas and received a WHOOMP! and a big ball of flame for |my | stupidity. | Lucky I wasn’t leaning over it at the time. :-/ | | Frank (just call me "no eyebrows") Church |

| ||      Frank, took your fly and tied it in black with a shorter tail |on | |a stinger hook with dumbell eyes.  I kept hearing about hellgrammites | |and black clousers so I figured your pattern would be awesome used |the | |same way.  We’ll see about it when we get there. | | | | |Before you buy.

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I would like to hear more of this rabbit fur concoction of yours. If the Rappahanok is fishing like the James you guys should have a great time. Thursday the James was a little stained from the recent rains slowing down the top water action but wooly buggers and helgramite patterns were producing some nice fish in the riffles. A site I use alot, may help some of y’alls planning: http://va.water.usgs.gov/rt-cgi/gen_tbl_pg?page=1 Tim, wish I could be there, Long – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cool Frank…after I sent the post asking Wayne if he shortened the rabbit strip, I thought to tie a stinger hook in tandem and somehow thread it thru the rabbit strip on a piece of 10 lb test line.  Gonna work on it this weekend.  BTW, dusted off the old portable grill and it works just fine…waited a little long to put the match to it after turning on the gas and received a WHOOMP! and a big ball of flame for my stupidity. Lucky I wasn’t leaning over it at the time. :-/ Frank (just call me "no eyebrows") Church ||      Frank, took your fly and tied it in black with a shorter tail on |a stinger hook with dumbell eyes.  I kept hearing about hellgrammites |and black clousers so I figured your pattern would be awesome used the |same way.  We’ll see about it when we get there.

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Good to hear that Wayne, didja cut some of that tail off?  I tole you those green monsters ketch smallies!  I *will* shorten the tails on the rest of mine.  BTW, I tied up a couple of monster black rabbit strip jobbies today, will do a few more over the weekend.  Thanks for the report, I’m still pumped!  The animals in question should have no fear since Dave LaCourse won’t be there.  (unless Frank Jr has weird inclinations we don’t know about, yet) ) Frank Church Elkhart, IN

I started off |with one of Frank Church’s rabbit fur concoctions (large size) and had 2 |SAVAGE strikes in 2 casts!!  No hook-ups as they were striking short on the |long tail.  I switched to a Murray’s Lead-eyed Hellgrammite and took 5 small |mouth without leaving the same ledge and not walking more than 15 feet. Two |were over 14".  Now, this was in the first 30 minutes of fishing today. For |the rest of this trip report, you’ll have to listen to it at the Great |Rappahannock River Rendevouz August 20!

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Traveled to the Rappahannock River Campground today.  Water level was ideal, temperature perfect, no one on the water but me (wife wasn’t feeling well so she kept her fly rod at home).  I headed to an area beyond where I usually fish to make sure I had room to spread out as many ROFFians as might show up Sunday week.  The water was gorgeous!  If ever there was a spot on earth made for breeding and raising small mouth bass, this was it!  I started off with one of Frank Church’s rabbit fur concoctions (large size) and had 2 SAVAGE strikes in 2 casts!!  No hook-ups as they were striking short on the long tail.  I switched to a Murray’s Lead-eyed Hellgrammite and took 5 small mouth without leaving the same ledge and not walking more than 15 feet.  Two were over 14".  Now, this was in the first 30 minutes of fishing today.  For the rest of this trip report, you’ll have to listen to it at the Great Rappahannock River Rendevouz August 20! Just so everyone’s got the straight skinny on the site I want you to know what you are getting yourself in for.  Campers can only have one vehicle at their campsite.  Clave Central may not open until 12 noon on the 20th.  I’ll be there by 0700 but the campsite is rented for the night before.  The non-ROFF inhabitants must pack out by noon but may leave earlier.  I’ll move in as soon as they leave.  If Frank and Frank make lewd gaseous noises and molesting motions toward their domestic animals they may be encouraged to leave earlier.  All non-camping fishermen must park by the camp store and walk down to the canoe launching ramp (about 200 yards).  Parking fee is $3.00 per vehicle + $1.00 per person.  I personally feel this may be discriminating against some families who live in their automobiles. Canoe trips are available from the campground.  They provide shuttle service and everything you need for the float.  Conditions are optimal!  By the same token, we can expect some canoe/tube traffic on Saturday and Sunday.  My experience has been this does not really effect the wading fisherman. Kayakers are another story but don’t shoot them this trip as Asadi will probably be out there.  Cornmuse, if you’re thinking of coming, get hold of Asadi now and plan the trip.  You’ll never get a better chance for a super quality small mouth trip. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Got the class ring on?                 Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ouch. Get those gloves up higher, dammit! /daytripper

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). This rod is georgeous — I hate to sell it but need the money for a saltwater rod. Originally was $250, will sell for $190/best offer I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt.

I’ll certainly give you credit for persistence, Joe. OBROFF (whatever that means), I’m a fan of Penn and Fenwick graphite fly rods–I don’t hear much about them on this newsgroup, though. The Penn and Fenwick rods look extremely similar, so they much share manufacturing (just a guess). Anyway, one of my local fly shops sells them and I’ve found them on the Web. Because they’re in the $160-$180 price range I’m suprised they are not more attractive to folks who don’t want to spend $300 on a rod. They have a really nice finish and a medium action. YMMV, but I think they are a nice rod for the price. I own the 8′6" 4-piece 5wt–it was the first fly rod I purchased (Ok, not technically the first since I bought a Browning as a teenager to use for nymphing with a spinning reel). I like the rod action–but what the heck do I know. My only disappointment is that the ferrule fit on my rod (can’t speak for the model as a whole) isn’t the best and after a day of fishing one of the ferrules tends to work its way loose if I don’t check them every once in a while. I have another Penn rod 9′ 2-piece 4wt and a Fenwick 7′ 4wt 2-peice–neither of which has that problem. –Steve

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I’ll certainly give you credit for persistence, Joe. OBROFF (whatever that means), I’m a fan of Penn and Fenwick graphite fly rods–I don’t hear much about them on this newsgroup, though.

    i bought my youngest boy an 8′ penn last year as his first rod.  he loves it, although i find the action to be a little on the soft side.  the problem you experienced with your ferrules hasn’t appeared.     i might be interested in ol joe’s nine footer, except i am afraid that the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change… wayno

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Explode or die of boredom?             Frank Reid except i am afraid that – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change… wayno

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Explode or die of boredom?            Frank Reid except i am afraid that the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change…

He means when it falls off the top of his car due to the direction change (or was that Daytripper?) <g — Charlie…

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Explode or die of boredom?            Frank Reid except i am afraid that the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change… He means when it falls off the top of his car due to the direction change (or was that Daytripper?) <g

Ouch. Get those gloves up higher, dammit! /daytripper

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FORSALE –  Penn International 4-pc flyrod I have a beautiful, brand new Penn 4 piece flyrod that I want to sell. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $250 firm + shipping. I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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You might want to provide a model number with that fly rod and/or try your hand at eBay, since I’ve recently seen several brand new Penn Gold Medal 4-piece travel rods for sale at fly shops (on the Web and in my city) for less than $160. Steve Zimmerman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FORSALE –  Penn International 4-pc flyrod I have a beautiful, brand new Penn 4 piece flyrod that I want to sell. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $250 firm + shipping. I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $225/best offer I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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Joe, I’m not trying to sabotage you; nor do I have a problem with an occasional FS post. But I do feel the need to point out that you can buy this rod brand new on the web for $189.95 retail. Check out: http://www.tackledirect.com/tackle/penngoldmedal.html –Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $225/best offer I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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Thanks Ernie…. that’s how I see it. Believe me I want to use it…….but I don’t want to see it damaged. Enjoy the weekend!!! cheers – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tim,    I think Payne made the rod to sell, whether it would be fished or just displayed was no concern of his.  I don’t know if I would fish with it if I owned it although I would be tempted to try it out.  I have plenty of rods to take fishing. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Payne didn’t make the rod so it could sit in a display case in your rec room, FISH WITH IT! At least a couple times. Tim Apple

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … and now this fine rod has a new display case in the most predominant spot in my rec room. Of all the dumb luck…eh! I figured someone out there might appreciate this story! Well, I for one would appreciate the story more if that rod were being used as Jim Payne intended instead of kept under glass. I can understand the reluctance to put something of such value at risk but bamboo is not as delicate as all that and it seems a shame for such a magnificent fishing tool to go unused.

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Has anyone done any bonefishing in Roatan?  Are there guides available? Thanks in advance. Ken

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I’ve been to Roatan but not fished there Jack Sampson in the book "Salt Water Fly Fishing" talks about flyfishing for permit, bill fish  and jack crevalle near there at Guanaja- a ferry ride away. I saw places that looked like they would have to have bonefish but didn’t have a fly rod along. herb

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As a keen fly fisherman in the UK my knowledge of US river’s is very limited. I have been offered the chance to join a trip to North Conway in New Hampshire sometime around June ‘98.

Steve, The Saco is a good trout river.  Clear, cold water that flows out of the White Mountains.  The Ellis river is a tributary that also holds some nice trout.  Many ponds in the area have some good hatches in June.  A little further away is the Androscoggin river, a much larger river that holds brook trout, rainbows, browns, and landlocked salmon. Good luck on your trip, Gerry Crow

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As a keen fly fisherman in the UK my knowledge of US river’s is very limited. I have been offered the chance to join a trip to North Conway in New Hampshire sometime around June ‘98. The only river that I know to be close by is the Saco. Can anyone tell me :- Is there any trout in it and can they be caught? How is it best fished? What sort of tackle is required? Is there any other water’s (river or lake) near to N. Conway that are fished using the fly? Is there any other advise anyone can give me? Thanks in advance for any help. — Steve Patrick

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I spent several days in North Conway with my family last June.  Although I didn’t spend any time fishing the Saco River, I did watch the river for about an hour or so every evening for future reference.  The water was at an average level, the hatches were impressive, every size and color of fly you can imagine.  The fish were feeding actively but appeared tough to raise.  The water near this particular bridge is deep and clear and also very heavily fished.  There was a fisherman every 100 feet or so both upstream and down every night, and I believe it may be ffo in that area.  Several guide options in N.Conway would be your best bet to find a more peaceful experience as I know there are other streams within an hour drive that would be less as crowded.   Have a great time in New England, be sure to pack your bug spray or a few strong cigars! Jim Finely crafted leather goods from the tanned skins of Atlantic salmon, wolf fish and cod fish. Visit our site at: http://www.tiac.net/users/batesbiz/upscale.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a keen fly fisherman in the UK my knowledge of US river’s is very limited. I have been offered the chance to join a trip to North Conway in New Hampshire sometime around June ‘98. The only river that I know to be close by is the Saco. Can anyone tell me :- Is there any trout in it and can they be caught? How is it best fished? What sort of tackle is required? Is there any other water’s (river or lake) near to N. Conway that are fished using the fly? Is there any other advise anyone can give me? Thanks in advance for any help. — Steve Patrick

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In leader formulas do the lengths of the sections that are reccomended include the extra length needed to tie the connecting knots or are they reccomending that that length be the finished/after knot length.  Also, nail knot, surgeon’s, or blood knots? Bob

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In leader formulas do the lengths of the sections that are reccomended include the extra length needed to tie the connecting knots or are they reccomending that that length be the finished/after knot length.  Also, nail knot, surgeon’s, or blood knots?

I have always assumed that the formulae refer to the finished length of the sections.  I allow about 1 1/2" for the knots, and this seems to work fine.  The nail knot is used to attach the leader butt to the tip of the flyline.  I use the blood knot, except for the tippet (last) knot, where I use the surgeon’s knot (three-turn version — I think the British call this a water knot.)  FWIW, my own experiments show that the surgeon’s knot, if perfectly tied, is stronger than the blood knot, but leaders tied with blood knots turn over better.  Since most breaks occur at the fly or the tippet knot, I believe that my system is a good compromise.  I have found that blood knots cinch up best when you tie them with one less turn of the heavier material than the lighter.  With the Maxima I use, 4/5 turns on the heavy butt sections and 5/6 turns on the lighter material seems to work well.  Heavy material requires a jerk or tug to properly tighten; the other knots should be pulled gently.  I am sure that I learned much of this from books or magazines, but my old brain can’t cite references.  Hope this helps.  –Roger

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In leader formulas do the lengths of the sections that are reccomended include the extra length needed to tie the connecting knots or are they reccomending that that length be the finished/after knot length.  Also, nail knot, surgeon’s, or blood knots?

Most formula’s I’ve seen are finished length. I usually add about six inches for a knot on each end. You could probably use less, but I find it much less frustrating if I have plenty of material to hold onto when tightening my knots. As for knots, I usually use blood knots on the thicker sections. On the smaller diameter material I do something a little different. I tie a nail knot with the smaller material, but I don’t tighten it completely. I then take the larger diameter material and tie a nail knot with it on the smaller material. I now have two knots that will snug together when I pull on the opposite ends of the material. (I’m not sure if that description makes much sense, but it’s the best I can do!). This technique is admittedly a pain in the ass, but I find  it to be the strongest connection there is. When tied this way, I have NEVER broken a tippet off right at the knot. Surgeon’s or blood knots break at the knot quite often in my experience. Typically, I use this technique when I make up my leaders at home. If I am tying or repairing a leader on the river, I usually use the surgeon’s knot to save time. Tim — To reply by e-mail, remove "sick of spam" from my return address!

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In leader formulas do the lengths of the sections that are reccomended include the extra length needed to tie the connecting knots or are they reccomending that that length be the finished/after knot length.  Also, nail knot, surgeon’s, or blood knots? Bob

I would think most formulas are finished lengths. You will have to give yourself what extra length it will take you to tie the knots. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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As for knots, I usually use blood knots on the thicker sections. On the smaller diameter material I do something a little different. I tie a nail knot with the smaller material, but I don’t tighten it completely. I then take the larger diameter material and tie a nail knot with it on the smaller material. I now have two knots that will snug together when I pull on the opposite ends of the material. (I’m not sure if that description makes much sense, but it’s the best I can do!). This technique is admittedly a pain in the ass, but I find  it to be the strongest connection there is. When tied this way, I have NEVER broken a tippet off right at the knot. Surgeon’s or blood knots break at the knot quite often in my experience.

I also use the double nail knot for my leaders…mainly because I never learned to tie a proper bloodknot and the double nail is easy with a knot-tying tool (they almost all have instructions on how to tie the double nail). I’ve never heard anyone talk about which is stronger, and assumed it was the bloodknot since that’s what everyone recommends. Typically, I use this technique when I make up my leaders at home. If I am tying or repairing a leader on the river, I usually use the surgeon’s knot to save time.

Same here. Ric

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In leader formulas do the lengths of the sections that are reccomended include the extra length needed to tie the connecting knots or are they reccomending that that length be the finished/after knot length.  Also, nail knot, surgeon’s, or blood knots?

Hi Bob, In leader formulas the length is the finished length.  Don’t get too anal about it though, if you’re off by an inch or so it will still work.  The idea in the tapering sections is to smoothly transmit the power from the fly line down through the leader to the tippet without hinging.  You just need enough line in each section to make that transition.  Try to keep the proportions close as that is the most important (proportion of butt section to tapering section to tippet section) and has the most affect on the performance of the leader. I like to use the nail knot to attach my leader to the fly line (smallest, smoothest connection), the blood knot for the knots in the butt and tapering section (smallest, smoothest connection again), and either the double surgeon’s knot or the Orvis tippet knot for the tippet (extra bulk doesn’t matter here – strength does). When using the blood knot, use only 3 to a maximum or 4 turns in the butt section, 5 turns in the tapering section, and, if you insist on using the blood knot with your tippets, 6 turns with 6X and 7 turns with 7X.  The more turns you use, the more secure the knot is *IF* you can seat it correctly and completely.  Smaller material uses more turns, thicker material demands fewer turns.   A five turn blood knot is almost impossible to seat well in .021" material and will easily slip after soaking in the water for a few minutes if not totally seated.  I typically use a 3 turn blood knot in the butt section and never have it fail. Beware of using other knots in the heavy part of your leader.  The blood knot is the smallest knot you can tie in monofilament, and the easiest to move through the guides.  A double surgeon’s knot is twice as bulky, and although very slightly stronger than a blood knot, also tends to get caught in the corners of the snake guides when that big fish makes one final lunge.  This results in broken-off fish, zippered-off line guides, broken rod as it gets stuck in the tip-top, or all of the above.  Not a good choice in the heavy section of the leader.  The extra bulk is no big deal in the fine part of the leader because it is just a little bump in the line with little chance of moving through the line guides let alone getting stuck in them.                                           Hope this helps,                                                     Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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I also use the double nail knot for my leaders…mainly because I never learned to tie a proper bloodknot and the double nail is easy with a knot-tying tool (they almost all have instructions on how to tie the double nail). I’ve never heard anyone talk about which is stronger, and assumed it was the bloodknot since that’s what everyone recommends.

I started using the double nail knot because it is so similar to a knot that I used many years ago when I was a rock climber. The climbing knot was considered one of the strongest because it relies on the force of the knots opposing each other rather than simply on tightening itself under a load. I don’t know which one is actually stronger, but I do know that I have never broken at the knot with the double nail, but I have with the blood knot. In all honesty though, I’ve used te blood knot longer than the double nail so it just may be a matter of time. I’m sticking with the double nail for now. Tim — To reply by e-mail, remove "sick of spam" from my return address!

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Dan Gracia, Your explanations of casting and rod flex finally tell me what have caused my problems going back and forth between different rods.   What is the Orvis tippet knot?  If its for connecting tippet to leader rather than tippet to hook is there a picture on the web or in a book?                                                  Doug Campbell

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Dan Gracia, Your explanations of casting and rod flex finally tell me what have caused my problems going back and forth between different rods.   What is the Orvis tippet knot?  If its for connecting tippet to leader rather than tippet to hook is there a picture on the web or in a book?                                               Doug Campbell

Hi Doug, There is a description of it in the Waterproof Knot Booklet that Orvis sells for around $5.  It’s a slight variation of the Orvis knot to tie on the fly. Basically a figure 8 knot with two turns through the  second loop.  I’ll see if I can scan a copy of it and e-mail it to you.  If you ever get an Orvis knotless leader and send in that little blue card,  they’ll send you a plastic wallet size card with the tippet to hook knot on one side and the leader to tippet knot on the other – no charge.                                  Good Fishing,                                         Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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Hi, Just wondered if anyone out there owns and fishes off a JonBoat..  I’ve considered buying one for the winter season to do a lot of shallow water fishing down here in South Florida.  I’m favoring a small sized boat 12′ or under, and i was hoping someone could give me there views on how these boats performed for flats/bay fishing, or just getting around for fun..   Also, if anyone has a 3Hp motor any make or model, how do u feel that performs.  I know many of them hold only like a quart of fuel, just wondered how long u can run on a quart during ideal conditions(weather).   Please email any comments, thanks!  pr

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I’ve been fishing an 11 1/2′ aluminum jon boat for years on the bonefish and redfish flats of Florida, and I love it.  I use the same boat summers up here in Maryland on the Potomac for smallmouth bass.  It’s indestructible and floats in about 5 inches of water.  With one person on board, it’s plenty stable.  I carpeted the bottom to cut down on noise and to keep the fly line from catching on the slats and ribs on the bottom. For a motor (when I use one), I prefer an electric motor (35lb thrust), which moves it along pretty well.  Most of the time I pole or row.  To be honest, I use it to get myself to the flat and then wade if possible (except up north near JAX, where the bottom is too mushy), but all in all it’s a great fishing platform. Regards, Doug

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Hi, I think a small john boat is great for spur of the moment fishing. Have used one off and on for over 30 years. Enen tho’ I now have a 17 ft. bass boat and a salt water boat I still use the jon boat once in awhile. Mine has a 6 horse Johnson and before thsat I used a 5 horse. It’s great for crabbing, floundering as well as fishing. Good Luck PresG

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Hi, Just wondered if anyone out there owns and fishes off a JonBoat..  I’ve considered buying one for the winter season to do a lot of shallow water fishing down here in South Florida.  I’m favoring a small sized boat 12′ or under, and i was hoping someone could give me there views on how these boats performed for flats/bay fishing, or just getting around for fun.. Also, if anyone has a 3Hp motor any make or model, how do u feel that performs.  I know many of them hold only like a quart of fuel, just wondered how long u can run on a quart during ideal conditions(weather). Please email any comments, thanks!  pr

Have a 3 horse Yamaha on an Old Town 13 foot Discovery Sport Boat. Yamaha has given me no trouble for 4 years. Holds about a quart of pre-mix 100 to 1 ( yes, 100 to 1 ) gas and oil and runs for about 3 hours at trolling speed. Have used this rig from CT lakes all the way up to the Grand Lakes of Maine. Car tops, and is great for river launch. Boat weighs 80 pounds, motor 32 pounds . In my opinion, I’d can the jon boat and take a hard look at this combination. Neil

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Will be traveling in the vicinity of Greeneville, TN the 3rd week of June.  Will be introducing by father-in-law to fly fishing and would appreciate some help in locating areas that might be productive.  We’ll be visiting from California and would be happy to sway info on local hot spots. Thanks in advance.

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TRY GATLINBURG AREA FOR SOME GREAT FLY FISHIND—GREENBRIAR AREA …CADES COVE….ELKMONT….HAD SOME GREAT HATCHES…GOOD FISHING!!!!!

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Yes, Elkmont is a good spot.  Caught some nice browns there on a delta wing caddis, with olive body.  Nice fish!   A sunny day,      a box of midges,         and a wandering stream…   Man, this MUST be heaven!   <    Steve Kulpa    <<

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I have never tried fishing for steelhead and would like some pointers, if possible. Looking for Northern California waters. I know they run in the Klamath but are there any other streams/creaks that steelhead frequent? Is September, October best, or when is the best time? How about a surefire Steelhead Fly or 2? I need all the help I can get. TIA Rich P.S. Please respond to me directly  as I don’t read this newsgroup very often. Thanks again

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Regarding Northern California steelhead fishing, call the fish phone at (707)444-8041.  They have recorded info on where the fish are biting and on what.  When the steelhead are running, a majority of the recording is devoted to them. If you are looking for a good Northern California river, I always suggest the Mad River.  There is good access as well as great fishing for steelhead.  Give it a shot. Steve

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Regarding Northern California steelhead fishing, call the fish phone at (707)444-8041.  They have recorded info on where the fish are biting and on what.  When the steelhead are running, a majority of the recording is devoted to them. If you are looking for a good Northern California river, I always suggest the Mad River.  There is good access as well as great fishing for steelhead.  Give it a shot.

As I told him in email, a good reference for Steelhead fishing in Northern California is Jim Freemans "California Steelhead".  It covers the Klamath and Trinity rivers in great detail and has sections on about 20 other rivers.  There are many detailed maps showing the good holes and sections on recommended lures and flies. It is published by Chronicle Books in San Francisco, ISBN 0-87701-268-7. — John Fereira Pleasanton, CA

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