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The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly line? How often do you clean and treat the line?

What Willi said. Works for me. George Adams "All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of youth that doth not grow stale with age."                                                           —- J.W Muller

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Chances are your guides are worn out.  You probably have "flats" worn on the inside diameter of your snake guides.  Use a magnifying glass to see if you have worn out the inside of the guides as when you have flats you end up with very SHARP edges, which shave your fly line when you shoot the line. This shaves your fly line and in effect, destroys it.  Look also at the Tip-Top guide as this is the one which your fly line creases over 90* and does a lot of damage.  I suspect your fly rod needs reguiding. A quality line dressing will help and if you wish, you can visit the blue thingie enclosed in the sign off. Good Luck Tim, but I bet you’re going to need a new fly line also.  Hope not, but what you describe doesn’t sound very cool. Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/GG-Products-StreamSide-PZ-LineCleaner.html

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       The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let    line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly    line? How often do you clean and treat the line?             and add to that, does anyone ever treat the <guides?         riverman         How often you clean a fly line has alot to do with where you fish. Some waters, although they might look crystalline, tend to get a line dirty in short order. The composition of the banks also plays a part. If my line starts sinking when fishing, I generally just pull it through a piece of chammy. For a good cleaning, I first wash the line in warm water then use a line cleaner. I’ve used a number of different brands and have no preference. I occasionally give my rods a coat of car wax and in the process, the guides do get a coat of wax. It does seem to help shooting line but only for a very short time. It does help protect the rod and helps shed water. Willi

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The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly line? How often do you clean and treat the line? and add to that, does anyone ever treat the <guides? riverman

I generally clean and condition my line after ~20 hours of use.  I use mild soap for the cleaning, and a conditioner produced by Scientific Angler.  As for the guides, I coat them with a thin film (just enought to leave a fingerprint when touched) of Super Lube (a silicon based gel lubricant with teflon) once a month.  AFter applying the Super Lube I wipe any excess off the exterior of the guide loop (since this is only needed on the inside of the guide) in order to keep the inside of my rod tube clean. Using the above methods, I’ve noticed increased shooting distances, improved line floatation, and greatly extended line life.

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The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly line? How often do you clean and treat the line? — TL, Tim

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The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly line? How often do you clean and treat the line?

and add to that, does anyone ever treat the <guides? riverman

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riverman, try this site if you get access to internet http://scandicangler.com/ it has virtually no delay when it comes to posts on R.O.F.F.

Thanks Roger, but, uh, I have absolutely no idea how to use that site!! Its in some furrin’ language! <g riverman

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Damn! I saw the English flag but never tried it since I have no problem reading Norwegian, or Danish for that matter. You can always keep the adress in mind, maybe they will come up with the English version soon (at least they have prepared for it). Yours/ Roger Taking things for granted will eventually cause problems.

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Yee Ha! At least I’ve got you on age!  40 coming up shortly. bruce h

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Yee Ha! At least I’ve got you on age!  40 coming up shortly.

Old fart in training!  Old fart in training!!!!!  Bawahahahaha!!!!!! — Warren (who isn’t the youngest on ROFF, but is younger than you!!:-) change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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I don’t know if I’ll have newsgroup access in SA, or in Congo. If not, be assured I’ll be lurking via google.com, (someone say hello to me sometime; I’ll see it) and if possible, look forward to a progress report from the other side of the world once I find usenet access. Without usenet access, I’ll post some TRs via emails to another ROFFian.

riverman, try this site if you get access to internet http://scandicangler.com/ it has virtually no delay when it comes to posts on R.O.F.F. — Tight lines! / Roger Ohlund Daytime engineer Lifetime flyfisherman For info on flyfishing in northern Sweden visit http://home.bip.net/angler/

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riverman said: Maybe my posts are excellent, but my JUDGEMENT leaves something to be desired… Then it’s *gotta* be for the big bucks! It can’t be for the scenery.  :( — TL, Tim

The bucks are OK, but nothing to write home about. I guess mostly I’m doing it for the experience. That, and my partner threatened to leave me if I spent another day gawking at the women in Riga. In retrospect, it was a pretty risky play on her part.   :-/ riverman

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(snip) Man, the youth, the travel, the free time, the Russian women. Your posts are excellent Riverman. bruce h

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(snip) Man, the youth, the travel, the free time, the Russian women. Your posts are excellent Riverman.

Why, thank you Bruiser! But maybe you missed the gist of that post….see, I’m LEAVING this region (with the beautiful Russian women) and going to the middle of AIDs and malaria-mosquito infested Dark Africa, for 2 or 3 years, where there are no good trout streams, no political or social infrastructure, its 100 degrees in the shade, but there ain’t no shade, 99% humidity on the dry days, and my ‘youth’ (sneaking up on 45) is fading as rapidly as my prospects of scoring one of those Russian thong-mamas in the 2.5 days I have left here. Maybe my posts are excellent, but my JUDGEMENT leaves something to be desired… riverman

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (snip) Man, the youth, the travel, the free time, the Russian women. Your posts are excellent Riverman. Why, thank you Bruiser! But maybe you missed the gist of that post….see, I’m LEAVING this region (with the beautiful Russian women) and going to the middle of AIDs and malaria-mosquito infested Dark Africa, for 2 or 3 years, where there are no good trout streams, no political or social infrastructure, its 100 degrees in the shade, but there ain’t no shade, 99% humidity on the dry days, and my ‘youth’ (sneaking up on 45) is fading as rapidly as my prospects of scoring one of those Russian thong-mamas in the 2.5 days I have left here. Maybe my posts are excellent, but my JUDGEMENT leaves something to be desired…

Then it’s *gotta* be for the big bucks! It can’t be for the scenery.  :( — TL, Tim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And the women in this part of the world are the most beautiful anywhere I have ever been, and thats a lot of places. Stop you in your tracks beautiful. what is your line of work, riverman?  do you need an english-speaking assistant?  free legal service?  do the process servers in riga take bribes?  is schwepps tonic water readily available? a rapid response will be much appreciated by

wayno: I teach school, and sure I could use an english-speaking assistant  Let me warn you, though, once you visit a place like this, your freaking life is ruined forever. Check out this article: http://www.csica.com/selyanka/newreports.htm And, yes they take bribes, schwepps is available, and I leave on Sunday. Like I said, Stupid Plan… riverman (who is impressed that you are the only roffian to notice the lowercase ‘r’)

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<snip Here in Riga, the days are currently 23 hours long, the weather clear and bright, and as you move northwards through Estonia and Finland (as some recent TRs have exposed), the trout/greyling fishing becomes world-class at this time of year. You can basically follow the ‘early spring’ conditions north to your hearts desire, and there are hundreds of thousands of spots to fish.

<snip <snip And at this moment, I have 3 months pay in my pocket, 11 weeks vacation,

.. <snip Look at it this way, the days won’t be as long and your your cash supply a little smaller, but the grayling fishing will be even better when you get back in the autumn. Have a safe journey /Roger

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And the women in this part of the world are the most beautiful anywhere I have ever been, and thats a lot of places. Stop you in your tracks beautiful.

        what is your line of work, riverman?  do you need an english-speaking assistant?  free legal service?  do the process servers in riga take bribes?  is schwepps tonic water readily available?         a rapid response will be much appreciated by your friend in the old north state wayno  (have lust, will travel)

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I don’t know if I’ll have newsgroup access in SA, or in Congo. If not, be assured I’ll be lurking via google.com, (someone say hello to me sometime; I’ll see it) and if possible, look forward to a progress report from the other side of the world once I find usenet access. Without usenet access, I’ll post some TRs via emails to another ROFFian.

By the way, you can get a google account, based upon a hotmail account, and post to your hearts content.  It does take a few hours to catch up, google is not instant posting, but hey, its free access.  I am truely interested in the flies you use on hippos.  Goodluck on the Summer to Winter thing (once flew from Clark AB in the Philipines to Minot AFB, ND). — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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In a day or two, I’m off for the summer and I don’t know if or when I can get back to ROFF. The Czechs have a word for ‘pretrip anxiety/blues’ and although I cannot remember what it is, I certainly have it. Cutting the cord to this wacky group certainly doesn’t help. Tight Lines, and good summer (to the Northern Hemisphere folks) riverman

Enjoy your *Holiday*, and travel safely Riverman! Op

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In a day or two, I’m off for the summer and I don’t know if or when I can get back to ROFF. The Czechs have a word for ‘pretrip anxiety/blues’ and although I cannot remember what it is, I certainly have it. Cutting the cord to this wacky group certainly doesn’t help. Here in Riga, the days are currently 23 hours long, the weather clear and bright, and as you move northwards through Estonia and Finland (as some recent TRs have exposed), the trout/greyling fishing becomes world-class at this time of year. You can basically follow the ‘early spring’ conditions north to your hearts desire, and there are hundreds of thousands of spots to fish. And the women in this part of the world are the most beautiful anywhere I have ever been, and thats a lot of places. Stop you in your tracks beautiful. And at this moment, I have 3 months pay in my pocket, 11 weeks vacation, an apartment all rented, a solid 4WD truck, camping gear, fishing gear, and nothing on my datebook….except for a flight this sunday to Cape Town. South Africa. …..where its winter, dreary, days are 10 hours long, and trout streams are few, far between, and not heavily populated with fish. And its the off-season. Why am I doing this? Got to. Got important things to do in SA that will take time. Visas, shipments, travel arrangement to my next destination in Congo. Got a girlfriend to meet in 2 weeks, got a place to stay and friends to see. Hopefully I’ll get a chance to hook up with Ari Bert, maybe find an elusive trout or two. Possibly spend a few days dodging hippos and crocs on a river, we’ll see. Also have plans to do some surf casting on both coasts with different friends; a Professor Emeritus that I met in Kruger a few years back, and an Italian Chef that I know through my partner. Should be interesting. I don’t know if I’ll have newsgroup access in SA, or in Congo. If not, be assured I’ll be lurking via google.com, (someone say hello to me sometime; I’ll see it) and if possible, look forward to a progress report from the other side of the world once I find usenet access. Without usenet access, I’ll post some TRs via emails to another ROFFian. Take care, all, and its been great fun meeting you, both IRL (Stan, Jarmo, Charlie, Mike, Hermann, Marcel) and online (everyone else). Tight Lines, and good summer (to the Northern Hemisphere folks) riverman

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 I think that it’s also true that you should use the smallest  indicator you can get away with.  The larger it is the more  information it will mask.

I agree. There’s stuff called ’strike putty’ you can get from Orvis. You can put a very little of it on, say, a knot in the leader;  a good guide if you’ve lost sight of what’s going on. Lazarus — Lazarus Cooke

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What about a short length of the bricklayer’s twine you use for running line, or is that too large an inside diameter? — Charlie…

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Yes Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone tell me, if Sage-rods are really the best ones.

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Hi, Tom. I have 3 Sage rods, a 590-3SP, a 389-LL, and a DS590-4 for a backup. They all cast differently.  And they’re each suited to my needs. Sage service has been excellent, $20 for each of my problems. (I’ve had 4 through the years). The costs for new rods are not small, but you do get what you pay for. A good place to look for used or discounted Sages is www.flyshop.com Go to the auction.   Tight lines. Dick Weinkle

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Yes Dave

wow, someone from bainbridge who thinks sage rods are the best <G btw, i like them too. chris

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after working in a fly shop for quite some time while, i have found that most beginners prefer slower action rods…theyre a little more forgiving… I think that’s true, but it can be unfortunate. A beginner’s rod to some degree teaches the beginner to cast. He’ll adjust his technique to the rod. There’s a place for both fast-action and slow-action rods. You should learn how to cast both kinds.

I must say that for fly fishing on difficult chalk streams, I, too, like a slow action. I think delicacy is more important than distance3, or even accuracy. My Sage LL 3-89 is my favourite rod for difficult trout. But I agree that lots of different people make good rods, and I think that when you’re starting, you should take a cheaper rod, and then decide what you like. I’ve just persuaded two starter fly fishers to buy Hardy 9 foot classics, 5/6 or 6/7 weight, which is outdated (and therefore cheap) but one of my favourite rods. I know that a number of other people who like me fish the Itchen and Test use the same rod. Tony

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Can anyone tell me, if Sage-rods are really the best ones. What can you recomend? I whould likt to buy a new rod for dryfly-fishing (trouts in Austria). An advice for a good reel whould be helpful as well. Thanks Tom http://www.resi.at/tom-online Before you buy.

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Can anyone tell me, if Sage-rods are really the best ones. What can you recomend? I whould likt to buy a new rod for dryfly-fishing (trouts in Austria). An advice for a good reel whould be helpful as well.

Tom, It is all a matter of opinion.  Personally, I like Sage rods.  I really like the lifetime warranty and the product, but that is just me.  There are several good rods out on the market, but it is important to find the one that best suits YOU.  Don’t get a rod just because people tell you it is the best.  Cast and compare and find the one that suits your casting style and actually works for you.  Unless of course you are merely modeling your gear. — Warren Findley Member of the Clavemeister Club Before you buy.

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Can anyone tell me, if Sage-rods are really the best ones. What can you recomend? I whould likt to buy a new rod for dryfly-fishing (trouts in Austria). An advice for a good reel whould be helpful as well. Thanks Tom

Tom, That’s a very hard question to answer. It’s very difficult to say that one manufacturer’s rods are ‘the best’. There are a number of good rods around: Sage, Scott, Loomis, St. Croix, Redington, Powell, Orvis, & others. In addition, there are differences in action within a particular maker’s rods. For example, a Sage SP isn’t going to cast like an XP, which is different from an RPL+. A lot depends on your casting style, what kind of action feels good to you, and especially the conditions under which you’ll be fishing. Are the rivers large, the fish big, and will you be casting big flies ? Or are the rivers small, 10m – 15m or less, and the flies & the fish smaller as well? Unless you have a need to throw a lot of line or constantly must content with a lot of wind, a really fast action rod probably isn’t necessary. A Sage SP or a G-series Scott or similar might be just the ticket. But not if you don’t like the action. See what I mean? It’s very subjective. You really need to try as many different rods as you can to see what you like that’s within the price range you have in mind. I don’t know if you have access to St.Croix rods, but they seem to be a lot of rod for the money. I know I asked more questions than I answered, but I hope this helps some. Regards, Bob Before you buy.

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Since you’re in Europe, you might find a Vivarelli reel more easy to locate there.  Ask Mike Conner about them, they’re neat. Sage, like most companies, makes several rod actions.  I would say that there’s a best action (for you) before I would say there’s a best rod brand.  Some prefer a bit faster for fishing dries specifically, as far as purely casting goes. Jeff (looking for a used Sage VPS 9′ 5 wt myself) Can anyone tell me, if Sage-rods are really the best ones. What can you recomend? I whould likt to buy a new rod for dryfly-fishing (trouts in Austria). An advice for a good reel whould be helpful as well.

Before you buy.

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after working in a fly shop for quite some time while, i have found that most beginners prefer slower action rods…theyre a little more forgiving…dont forget, as well, to think about what youre gonna be using your rod for…and if youre not sure how that works, ask the shop pro, he/she can tell ya…and if the shop you go to doesnt ask you if you want to cast rods to try them out…id try another shop… my 2cents, roy

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after working in a fly shop for quite some time while, i have found that most beginners prefer slower action rods…theyre a little more forgiving…

I think that’s true, but it can be unfortunate. A beginner’s rod to some degree teaches the beginner to cast. He’ll adjust his technique to the rod. There’s a place for both fast-action and slow-action rods. You should learn how to cast both kinds. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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My uncle found a STEEL fly rod in his basement over the past weekend. He doesn’t fish, so he said that I could have it.  I haven’t seen it yet, but he says that it’s 7′6" or maybe even 8′ in length and is definitely a fly rod.  I’m hoping to pick it up tonight and check it out. Any ROFFians ever fished with a steel fly rod–and would they do it again? Is this a rare item?  Is it valuable or is it garbage? Tom Before you buy.

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A guide buddy of mine has an old steel telescoping fly rod (w/ reel). He says it is worth some $$. Don’t know how much though. Maybe take it to someone who deals in old rods for some idea of its worth. Never has fished with it I don’t think. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My uncle found a STEEL fly rod in his basement over the past weekend. He doesn’t fish, so he said that I could have it.  I haven’t seen it yet, but he says that it’s 7′6" or maybe even 8′ in length and is definitely a fly rod.  I’m hoping to pick it up tonight and check it out. Any ROFFians ever fished with a steel fly rod–and would they do it again? Is this a rare item?  Is it valuable or is it garbage? Tom Before you buy.

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Tom,    The first outfit I ever fished with was a rusty telescoping steel rod and a worn out level wind reel which caused more line tangles than I care to remember.  I hope I never have to do it again.  As to value, have you have seen the sign "We buy junk and sell antiques"? Ernie Tom wrote <snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any ROFFians ever fished with a steel fly rod–and would they do it again? Is this a rare item?  Is it valuable or is it garbage? Tom

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Tom, My first ‘fly rod’ was a telescoping steel model bought at Western Auto. It was a total abomination to cast, but the fact that it telescoped made it handy for fishing the small brooks I frequented at the time. I have no idea what it is worth……I suspect it will have some value as a curiosity. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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My uncle found a STEEL fly rod in his basement over the past weekend. He doesn’t fish, so he said that I could have it.  I haven’t seen it yet, but he says that it’s 7′6" or maybe even 8′ in length and is definitely a fly rod.  I’m hoping to pick it up tonight and check it out. Any ROFFians ever fished with a steel fly rod–and would they do it again? Is this a rare item?  Is it valuable or is it garbage? Tom

Well, it wasn’t a steel rod after all.  It was an old fiberglass rod painted silver.  The paint was worn off in places and the glass was a rust color so it kind of looked like a rusty metal rod. Another uncle does have a steel rod that looks like a fly rod with the handle and reel seat on backwards–fly rod-style guides/eyes and a cork handle but the reel seat is in the front…  an odd piece, I’d say. Tom Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy.     come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse:  you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal.     wayno, grinnin through his grits Been there done that. But have you ever sat in the cool evening and watched the heat lightning over the plains ? Or the wind rippling the tall corn stalks as far as the eye could see? On reflection we in this country are blessed with such a variety of climes and beauty and in such variation. As we have users from other countrys try to imagine someone from say Austria trying to imagine the true beauty of the Sonora or the heat, dampness and abundance of wildlife of the everglades. God we are wondrously lucky. Every place I’ve been I’ve seen beauty beyond my poor ability to express. (end of sermon)                                                            John Popp                                               in beautyfull Sanford Fl.

Hi John, Here in the Swansea Valley South Wales if you can see the other side of the valley then it’s going to rain , if you can’t see it then it *is* raining!. — Bill

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Hi John, Here in the Swansea Valley South Wales if you can see the other side of the valley then it’s going to rain , if you can’t see it then it *is* raining!. — Bill

Picture this Bill, I have a couch on my front porch. A hard road is about 26-30′ from the house. There is a chain link fence seperating the front yard from the road, along the fence I’ve planted roses from cuttings of two rose plants my late mother in law raised. They are all pink and deep red. The road runs due east/west. In the evening as the sun sets they seem to be all aglow. During the summer rains if a northerly I can watch the rain paint a line as it advances over the road. Besides the roses we have honey suckle, cofederate jasmun, and several citrus trees other fruit trees and a huge magnolia. Sometimes in the mornings when it is still the smells of the flowers is like the perfume of the earth godess. I wax poetic about this simple 5 acres because we are going to sell it. I’ll miss it. It’s zoned Industrial and sombody will just bulldoze it down and probably build a cane fly rod factory.                                                            John Popp                                                           in Sanford Fl.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi John, Here in the Swansea Valley South Wales if you can see the other side of the valley then it’s going to rain , if you can’t see it then it *is* raining!. — Bill Picture this Bill, I have a couch on my front porch. A hard road is about 26-30′ from the house. There is a chain link fence seperating the front yard from the road, along the fence I’ve planted roses from cuttings of two rose plants my late mother in law raised. They are all pink and deep red. The road runs due east/west. In the evening as the sun sets they seem to be all aglow. During the summer rains if a northerly I can watch the rain paint a line as it advances over the road. Besides the roses we have honey suckle, cofederate jasmun, and several citrus trees other fruit trees and a huge magnolia. Sometimes in the mornings when it is still the smells of the flowers is like the perfume of the earth godess. I wax poetic about this simple 5 acres because we are going to sell it. I’ll miss it. It’s zoned Industrial and sombody will just bulldoze it down and probably build a cane fly rod factory.                                                           John Popp                                                          in Sanford Fl.

Certainly a bit different from the Swansea Valley – good luck with the sale. — Bill

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(poetic stuff snipped) I wax poetic about this simple 5 acres because we are going to sell it.

John – why are you selling, if I may ask.  Don’t tell me you’re moving up to North Carolina! Mark Faulkner

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In the decades since, all I can say is that I only regret having missed out on my first 23 years of eating this ambrosia.   While there are certainly many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them.

Absolutely agree with your assesment of sausage gravy and biscuits. Have to disagree about poking fun at southern cooking. It is almost impossible to avoid grits, no matter WHAT you order for breakfast, you get grits. Grits with eggs, oatmeal, french toast, if you ordered eggs sardou and oysters on the half shell they’d bring you a bowl of grits ! If you do not want grits, and what yankee ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy. — Ken Fortenberry

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(snipped) <<  While there are certainly many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them. Amen to that, Joe.  My favorite is red-eye gravy and gen-u-wine country ham.  Of course my doctor frowns on it, but what the hell. Dave LaCourse

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(snip) <<If you do not want grits, and what yankee ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy. True, but grits do not have to be uneatable.  Go to the mill in Helen, Georgia, and ask for some Georgia Ice Cream.  I will guarantee you will go back for seconds.  Yep — they’re grits.  And while you are there, stop by Unicoi Outfitters — very nice fly shop next door. Dave LaCourse

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many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them.

How about chicken fried steaks, fried okra, green beans cooked with ham, and red-eye (ham) gravy?  If I lived in the south instead of being an occasional visitor I would weigh about 400lb with a cholesterol level of about 600. Absolutely love southern cooking! George Adams

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ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy.

    come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse:  you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal.     wayno, grinnin through his grits

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<<come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse:  you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal.     wayno, grinnin through his grits Wayno, you finally got one wrong.  Make that Sugar Corn Pops instead of oatmeal. Dave, loving his Georgia Ice Cream

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ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy.     come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse:  you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal.     wayno, grinnin through his grits

Been there done that. But have you ever sat in the cool evening and watched the heat lightning over the plains ? Or the wind rippling the tall corn stalks as far as the eye could see? On reflection we in this country are blessed with such a variety of climes and beauty and in such variation. As we have users from other countrys try to imagine someone from say Austria trying to imagine the true beauty of the Sonora or the heat, dampness and abundance of wildlife of the everglades. God we are wondrously lucky. Every place I’ve been I’ve seen beauty beyond my poor ability to express. (end of sermon)                                                             John Popp                                                in beautyfull Sanford Fl.

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 But have you ever sat in the cool evening and watched the heat lightning over the plains ? Or the wind rippling the tall corn stalks as far as the eye could see? On reflection we in this country are blessed with such a variety of climes and beauty and in such variation. As we have users from other countrys try to imagine someone from say Austria trying to imagine the true beauty of the Sonora or the heat, dampness and abundance of wildlife of the everglades. God we are wondrously lucky. Every place I’ve been I’ve seen beauty beyond my poor ability to express. (end of sermon)                                                            John Popp                                               in beautyfull Sanford Fl.

        right on, john.  america the beautiful.  no cliche’. wayno

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And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of: instructional materiel snipped OK Dave, I got a lot to learn in a couple months.  Now, I’m off to the range  - need some work on the new .454.  By the way, do you think that’s enough gun? Mark Faulkner

I’ve made a few cyberfriends on this N.G. I just hope they will still be around after the clave:-) — Bill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Simplest way to speak southern is to not say much, and when you do remember that the modifier gets the emphasis, as in: *cold* drink, *red* light, *tee* vee, etc. — Charlie…       *very* important to remember these responses for when *anything* goes wrong:  like when you break off a 12" rainbow in hazel creek, or you lose your last "secret weapon" on a backcast into a poplar tree:       "well i be goddam!"; or, my particular favorite, " well i’ll be a sonaofabitch!" wayno, who’s had a lotta practice.

Not forgetting "Taw Son" and "Twll dyn pob Yankee"….how about that Wayne? Just a couple of phrases for those occasions when the dialectual emphasis is incorrect! — Bill

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(snipped) <*    Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store.  Do not buy food at this store.

Considering some of the things that they eat in the south, it’s probably best to bring it with you. Actually, you are wrong, very wrong.  Southern cooking is some of the finest I’ve ever had.  I will eat well at the ‘clave, and if Wayno does the pig roast, or fish fry, I will eat *extremely* well. My post was meant to be satirical — your’s is down right insulting.   Dave LaCourse

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<*    Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store. Do not buy food at this store. Considering some of the things that they eat in the south, it’s probably best to bring it with you. Actually, you are wrong, very wrong.  Southern cooking is some of the finest I’ve ever had.  I will eat well at the ‘clave, and if Wayno does the pig roast, or fish fry, I will eat *extremely* well.

Despite being born, raised, and presently residing south of the Mason-Dixon line, my southern upbringing was woefully neglected in many respects.   Most relevent to this post, however, is the fact that I never once saw nor heard of sausage gravy until I was nigh on 23 years old.   Perhaps it was because my mother grew up on a poultry farm so fried chicken was far more often on the table than pig. Anyhow, I was driving a truck south to Georgia that year and stopped at a roadside diner (Stuckeys?) where I went for the breakfast buffet.   There among the "normal" foods was a whitish, somewhat gelatinous, unrecognizable glop whose purpose or enjoyment I couldn’t fathom.   I learned later that this was sausage gravy, commonly spooned over fresh biscuits.   Being a huge lover of sausage, gravy and biscuits in other forms, I endeavored to try this stuff at my next opportunity. In the decades since, all I can say is that I only regret having missed out on my first 23 years of eating this ambrosia.   While there are certainly many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them. Joe

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In response to our colorful speech a close pal of mine responds is  a wet minner schlick! If you don’t no what a minner is, they will turn into fish later! Tim(Smokyfly)Doyle

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If they jump your battery, they’ll also all be someone’s brother in law. Don’t ask me why, but it’s a nationwide phenomenon that you rarely get a jump from someone who isn’t someone else’s brother in law. *    Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store.  Do not buy food at this store.

Considering some of the things that they eat in the south, it’s probably best to bring it with you. *    Be advised that "He needed killin’" is a valid defense here.

Is the burden then on you to prove that he did in fact need it, or on the prosecutor to prove that the deceased was a fine man, a pillar of the community, kind to kids and dogs, etc? *    If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store.  It doesn’t matter whether you need  anything or not. You just have to go.

That’s what I like about the south. One little flake hits somewhere in Jaw-gia, and they have riots in Atlanta. *    Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught them how to aim.

HAH! Is that why you never shoot your deer past maybe 100 yards and maybe not even and you need dogs to chase them anyway? *    If you do settle in the south and bear children, don’t think they will accept them as southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the oven, we wouldn’t call ‘em biscuits.

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And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of:

instructional materiel snipped OK Dave, I got a lot to learn in a couple months.  Now, I’m off to the range  - need some work on the new .454.  By the way, do you think that’s enough gun? Mark Faulkner

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*    Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying, they can’t understand you either.

Strange but true. An old college buddy from Illinois flew into Huntsville airport. Before we headed to Guntersville, which was dry, we went to the state store in Huntsville for supplies. He wanted to pay with a travelers check and asked the clerk if travelers checks were OK. She looked at him like he was speaking martian and asked him what did he say. Jim returned the same look. I had to translate. My wife insists I still retain a southern accent, I prefer to think I’m just a capable translater. — Ken Fortenberry

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I have been married to two Southern gals, one for NC and the other from Georgia.  And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of: *    If you run your car into a ditch, don’t panic. Four men in a four-wheel drive pickup truck with a 12 pack of beer and a tow chain will be along shortly. Don’t try to help them, just stay out of their way. This is what they live for. *    Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store.  Do not buy food at this store. *    Remember: "Ya’ll" is singular, "All ya’ll" is plural, and "All y’all’s" is plural possessive. *    Get used to hearing "You ain’t from around here, are ya?" *    You may hear a Southerner say "Ought!" to a dog or child. This is short for "Y’all oughta not do that!" and is the equivalent of saying "No!" *    Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying, they can’t understand you either. *    The first Southern expression to creep into a transplanted Northerner’s vocabulary is the adjective "big ‘ol," as in "big  ’ol truck" or "big ‘ol boy".  Most Northerners begin their new Southern-influenced dialect this way. All of them are in denial about it. *    The proper pronunciation you learned in school is no longer proper. *    Be advised that "He needed killin’" is a valid defense here. *    If you hear a Southerner exclaim "Hey, y’all, watch this," stay out of the way. These are likely to be the last words he’ll ever say. *    If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store.  It doesn’t matter whether you need anything or not. You just have to go. *    When you come up on a person driving 15 mph down the middle of the road, remember that most folks learn to drive on a John Deere and that this is the proper speed and position for that vehicle. *    Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught them how to aim. *    In the south we have found that the best way to grow a lush, green lawn is to pour gravel on it and call it a driveway. *    If you do settle in the south and bear children, don’t think they will accept them as southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the oven, we wouldn’t call ‘em biscuits. Dave "my hat is clean" LaCourse

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Simplest way to speak southern is to not say much, and when you do remember that the modifier gets the emphasis, as in: *cold* drink, *red* light, *tee* vee, etc. — Charlie…

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Simplest way to speak southern is to not say much, and when you do remember that the modifier gets the emphasis, as in: *cold* drink, *red* light, *tee* vee, etc. — Charlie…

        *very* important to remember these responses for when *anything* goes wrong:  like when you break off a 12" rainbow in hazel creek, or you lose your last "secret weapon" on a backcast into a poplar tree:         "well i be goddam!"; or, my particular favorite, " well i’ll be a sonaofabitch!" wayno, who’s had a lotta practice.

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On Sa        *very* important to remember these responses for when *anything* goes wrong:  like when you break off a 12" rainbow in hazel creek, or you lose your last "secret weapon" on a backcast into a poplar tree:         "well i be goddam!"; or, my particular favorite, " well i’ll be a sonaofabitch!" wayno, who’s had a lotta practice.

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What’s the difference between Y’all and Ya’ll? I heerd it in Lecester. which sounds like Lester – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been married to two Southern gals, one for NC and the other from Georgia.  And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of: *    If you run your car into a ditch, don’t panic. Four men in a four-wheel drive pickup truck with a 12 pack of beer and a tow chain will be along shortly. Don’t try to help them, just stay out of their way. This is what they live for. *    Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store.  Do not buy food at this store. *    Remember: "Ya’ll" is singular, "All ya’ll" is plural, and "All y’all’s" is plural possessive. *    Get used to hearing "You ain’t from around here, are ya?" *    You may hear a Southerner say "Ought!" to a dog or child. This is short for "Y’all oughta not do that!" and is the equivalent of saying "No!" *    Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying, they can’t understand you either. *    The first Southern expression to creep into a transplanted Northerner’s vocabulary is the adjective "big ‘ol," as in "big  ’ol truck" or "big ‘ol boy".  Most Northerners begin their new Southern-influenced dialect this way. All of them are in denial about it. *    The proper pronunciation you learned in school is no longer proper. *    Be advised that "He needed killin’" is a valid defense here. *    If you hear a Southerner exclaim "Hey, y’all, watch this," stay out of the way. These are likely to be the last words he’ll ever say. *    If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store.  It doesn’t matter whether you need anything or not. You just have to go. *    When you come up on a person driving 15 mph down the middle of the road, remember that most folks learn to drive on a John Deere and that this is the proper speed and position for that vehicle. *    Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught them how to aim. *    In the south we have found that the best way to grow a lush, green lawn is to pour gravel on it and call it a driveway. *    If you do settle in the south and bear children, don’t think they will accept them as southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the oven, we wouldn’t call ‘em biscuits. Dave "my hat is clean" LaCourse

– Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish, goes home through the alley. Anonymous http://fish-n-net.com/

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Here’s a link that may provide you with the information you’re looking for. http://www.fedflyfishers.org/club_list.html#pa —                                                       -dnc- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for a fly fishing club in the Philadelphia/South Jersey area with a good percentage of women anglers or a women’s club.  My wife is learning and would like to meet other female ff’s.

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We’ve got you covered!  http://www.halcyon.com/wffn/clubs.htm Nationwide clubs listings (Canada too).

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I am looking for a fly fishing club in the Philadelphia/South Jersey area with a good percentage of women anglers or a women’s club.  My wife is learning and would like to meet other female ff’s.

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A couple of years ago, I heard Gary Borger give directions for dyeing fly line.I wrote the information down, and now I can’t find it. I got a deal on some Wulff lines, but there almost white. If anyone has any information on dyeing lines, or know of a reference book ,any information would be appreciated.If anyone has dyed lines, any tips, would be great. Thanks, in advance. Vince

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Hi Vincent,     I’m not familiar with the dying technique you are asking about but I remember reading in a fly fishing magazine a couple of years ago about using simple pantone? marking pens to do a camo dying job on a fly line. I liked the idea of breaking up the one color line and intended to try it on mine but never have. Maybe I will try it this year after reading your question and being reminded about it. Those pens work good for dying individual hackles too if you tie your own flys. Much cheaper than having to buy a neck for $50. I bought one creme color hackle for that purpose.                     Good Luck, Arlie Turman                     Scranton, Pa. USA

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I haven’t been really following this thread and there may have been some email responses as well.  Could someone summarize?  I too would like to get some polarized Rx glasses. — John Fereira, posting from historic Pleasanton, Ca. Viacom Cable "More Of What You’re Looking For"

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I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? I don’t like the clip-on type – poor quality optics, and over-the-glasses types are too cumbersome.

        Yes… There’s a company called Cabela’s that has perscription polarized sunglasses for as low as $149 (and as high as $199).  They’re by "Specialized eyewear".  I’ve never heard of it, but you may have.  They look fairly nice.  Order their catalog… The number is 1-800-237-4444 (24 hours, 7 days a week, US and Canada). -Steve —      Duke Systems BBS/Info System – 216/587-4474 (10PM-7AM EST) 14.4k v.32

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I have a pair of bifocal Rx polaroids I mail-ordered fro the Cabella’s catalog several years ago. They work great. I use them all the time. Price was in the $220 neighborhood, I think, which is not bad…

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I have two pair of polarized prescription sunglasses.  The construction is a sandwich with the polarizing material in between.  One is plastic and very light, the other is photogray glass and doesn’t seem to be much (if any) thicker than the standard glass lenses. don’t go totally clear inside.  I doubt if I would get them again unless that aspect changed, but they do a very good job outdoors.  The plastic ones were about $160 and are extremely comfortable and effective. Enjoy, Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stonick) says: says: MAJOR DRAWBACK:  polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps. I think that the polarizing mechanism is plastic. I do not think that you can get glass molecules to line up into nice rows to perform filtering to polarize the light. The glass portion of your lens is the prescription portion.  The polarizing laminate is plastic. I assume that they can join this laminate to plastic as well as glass corrective lens. I will ask my brother-in-law (optometrist). I would guess that you could even put the scratch resistant coating over the polarizing laminate. John,   If I’m wrong on this one then I’m stuck with a pair of glasses that are heavier than need be.  When I purchased these lenses there really wasn’t any question about whether they were glass of plastic…no choice.  After looking at my sunglasses (which I just did) I cannot really tell if they are glass or plastic.  They are abou the same thickness as my regular lenses (plastic).  I suppose the important point was that they said they were not scratch resistant. Again…if they can be made scratch resistant…I missed the boat. One other important item not to be overlooked.  When you purchase the frames, assuming you buy something like a Ray Ban or other regular sunglass, buy the version with regular sunglass lenses rather than polarized, non-prescription lenses which will cost you a lot more.  I think the difference between buying my sunglasses with regular vs polarized non-script lenses was 85. vs 130. Don’t let them sucker you into the non-script polarized unless you may need them later (eg if you buy contacts and might switch lenses). Sorry for all the long-windedness of this..the end result is that I really like the glasses I have and would recommend getting prescription polarized.                                Scott

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says: MAJOR DRAWBACK:  polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps. I think that the polarizing mechanism is plastic. I do not think that you can get glass molecules to line up into nice rows to perform filtering to polarize the light. The glass portion of your lens is the prescription portion.  The polarizing laminate is plastic.   I assume that they can join this laminate to plastic as well as glass corrective lens. I will ask my brother-in-law (optometrist).   I would guess that you could even put the scratch resistant coating over the polarizing laminate.

The laminate the polaarizing plastic over your lense (plastic or glass). — Richard Park    

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Stonick) says: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says: MAJOR DRAWBACK:  polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps. I think that the polarizing mechanism is plastic. I do not think that you can get glass molecules to line up into nice rows to perform filtering to polarize the light. The glass portion of your lens is the prescription portion.  The polarizing laminate is plastic. I assume that they can join this laminate to plastic as well as glass corrective lens. I will ask my brother-in-law (optometrist). I would guess that you could even put the scratch resistant coating over the polarizing laminate.

John,   If I’m wrong on this one then I’m stuck with a pair of glasses that are heavier than need be.  When I purchased these lenses there really wasn’t any question about whether they were glass of plastic…no choice.  After looking at my sunglasses (which I just did) I cannot really tell if they are glass or plastic.  They are abou the same thickness as my regular lenses (plastic).  I suppose the important point was that they said they were not scratch resistant. Again…if they can be made scratch resistant…I missed the boat. One other important item not to be overlooked.  When you purchase the frames, assuming you buy something like a Ray Ban or other regular sunglass, buy the version with regular sunglass lenses rather than polarized, non-prescription lenses which will cost you a lot more.  I think the difference between buying my sunglasses with regular vs polarized non-script lenses was 85. vs 130. Don’t let them sucker you into the non-script polarized unless you may need them later (eg if you buy contacts and might switch lenses). Sorry for all the long-windedness of this..the end result is that I really like the glasses I have and would recommend getting prescription polarized.                                Scott

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USA Sport makes a plastic polarized lens that allows for a prescription insert. I’ve got two pairs of the frames, one in gold smoke and one a gray/green polarized which lets me move the insert into the appropriate frame. They run about $250 for the first set with prescription insert, then about $80 for just the polarized frame and lense combo. If you have a Price Club/Costco near you, they handle these in their optical departments. If you buy there you can cut the price in half. David< – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says:        Hi all, I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? I don’t like the clip-on type – poor quality optics, and over-the-glasses types are too cumbersome.        Thanx, — — Mike…… I’ve spent years dealing with this problem.  Used clip-ons, space goggles, etc and was always slightly dissatisfied.  Also went to route of wearing contacts and then purchasing polarized non-prescriptions but I gave up on the contacts. My solution was to finally spend the money to purchase polarized/prescriptions and I’ve been thrilled with the results.  I do a lot of fly fishing and these things can really let me see all the details. Some suggestions:  I believe Cabelas (and others) do carry frames and will allow you to order prescription lenses but I don’t know if I like this idea. Any decent optical shop can order polarized lenses for you but they don’t come cheap.  MAJOR CONCERN:  keep in mind that you can use any "optical quality" frame to hold your lenses.  This means they must have screws that open the frame to allow the lense placement.  YOU CANNOT use frames that "pop" lenses into a nylon frame. I mention this because I had a pair of Ray Ban Cats (nylon frame) and they could not put polarized lenses into them…the polarizing filter is laminated or sandwiched within the rest of the lense and the fear is that by popping the lense into the frame you will de-laminate the lense. I purchase a pair of Ray Ban frames (outdoorsmen, pilot-style) of optical quality and then ordered polarized lenses in my Rx.  I went through Pearle Express but any decent optical place should be able to help you.  If you can find frames cheaper elsewhere…do so, but make sure they are optical quality! Pearle just had a so-called "deal" of 50% off all frames…but even with this, they weren’t cheap.  My bottom line on this…I debated for years before making this decision but I think it was worth the extra money. MAJOR DRAWBACK:  polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps.                         Scott Maitland E. Chicago, IN. 46312                | "Failure is NOT an option"

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The answer is YES, I’ve been wearing polorized bifocals for years.  See your optomitrist<sp? and he should be able to order them.  They do cost some but make all the difference on the water. Aloha – bob    ooo_

: I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? : — Mike……

away.  Can you get prescription bifocals in polorized glasses, plain lense on top and mags down low?  That would be perfect for my applications. Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone.

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says: MAJOR DRAWBACK:  polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps.

I think that the polarizing mechanism is plastic. I do not think that you can get glass molecules to line up into nice rows to perform filtering to polarize the light. The glass portion of your lens is the prescription portion.  The polarizing laminate is plastic.   I assume that they can join this laminate to plastic as well as glass corrective lens. I will ask my brother-in-law (optometrist).   I would guess that you could even put the scratch resistant coating over the polarizing laminate. — John "fish tremble when they hear my name" Stonick

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        Hi all, I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? I don’t like the clip-on type – poor quality optics, and over-the-glasses types are too cumbersome.         Thanx, — — Mike…… Process Automation Dept. M.C. 2-467  | UUCP:…!UUNET!Inland!Tichenor Inland Steel Co.                     | Prodigy: WBFC49A 3210 Watling St.                     | Voice: (219)399-5777 E. Chicago, IN. 46312                | "Failure is NOT an option"

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says:        Hi all, I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? I don’t like the clip-on type – poor quality optics, and over-the-glasses types are too cumbersome.        Thanx, — — Mike……

 I’ve spent years dealing with this problem.  Used clip-ons, space goggles, etc and was always slightly dissatisfied.  Also went to route of wearing contacts and then purchasing polarized non-prescriptions but I gave up on the contacts. My solution was to finally spend the money to purchase polarized/prescriptions and I’ve been thrilled with the results.  I do a lot of fly fishing and these things can really let me see all the details. Some suggestions:  I believe Cabelas (and others) do carry frames and will allow you to order prescription lenses but I don’t know if I like this idea. Any decent optical shop can order polarized lenses for you but they don’t come cheap.  MAJOR CONCERN:  keep in mind that you can use any "optical quality" frame to hold your lenses.  This means they must have screws that open the frame to allow the lense placement.  YOU CANNOT use frames that "pop" lenses into a nylon frame. I mention this because I had a pair of Ray Ban Cats (nylon frame) and they could not put polarized lenses into them…the polarizing filter is laminated or sandwiched within the rest of the lense and the fear is that by popping the lense into the frame you will de-laminate the lense. I purchase a pair of Ray Ban frames (outdoorsmen, pilot-style) of optical quality and then ordered polarized lenses in my Rx.  I went through Pearle Express but any decent optical place should be able to help you.  If you can find frames cheaper elsewhere…do so, but make sure they are optical quality! Pearle just had a so-called "deal" of 50% off all frames…but even with this, they weren’t cheap.  My bottom line on this…I debated for years before making this decision but I think it was worth the extra money. MAJOR DRAWBACK:  polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps.                          Scott Maitland – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -E. Chicago, IN. 46312                | "Failure is NOT an option"

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: says: : :        Hi all, : I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? : I don’t like the clip-on type – poor quality optics, and over-the-glasses : types are too cumbersome. :        Thanx, : — : — Mike…… :  I’ve spent years dealing with this problem.  Used clip-ons, space goggles, etc : My solution was to finally spend the money to purchase polarized/prescriptions : and I’ve been thrilled with the results.  I do a lot of fly fishing and these : things can really let me see all the details. I don’t wear prescrition glasses but do take magnifiers with me on the water.  As I get older, I find that focusing up close (tying flys and tying the darn #24s on a 7X tipit) has become a problem.  The magnifiers solve the problem but prevent you from seeing anything beyond a foot away.  Can you get prescription bifocals in polorized glasses, plain lense on top and mags down low?  That would be perfect for my applications. Remember:  Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death.               It is much more important than that!            Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.               Teach a man to fish and you get rid of him on weekends. Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone. Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I’ve never let that stop me before.     P.O. BOX 2197             |    Many men go fishing all their lives without Colorado Springs, Co 80901|    knowing that it is not fish they are after.

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Could someone please give me the subscription address (or phone #) to fly fisherman magazine? Also any other fly fishing publications that can be recommended would be appreciated. And as a final request, I would like the address or phone for some good mail order fly fishing companies.  Thanks a lot in advance, Brian D. Hadley            

Fly Fisherman PO Box 3474 Mount Morris Il 61054-9937 If you live in California a fairly recent publication that is very good is the California Fly Fisher. The subscription address is: California Fly Fisher PO Box 40429 San Francisco, Ca 94140 John

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 Could someone please give me the subscription address (or phone #) to fly fisherman magazine? Also any other fly fishing publications that can  be recommended would be appreciated. And as a final request, I would like  the address or phone for some good mail order fly fishing companies.   Thanks a lot in advance, Brian D. Hadley            

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