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Why bright orange ? Hunters ?

Obviously, you don’t read InStyle magazine. Get with the program. Mu

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Every time I see the title of this thread I shudder, and I think, no . . . there’s no way I can comment at all on someone’s butt leak. I’m still shuddering. Memphis Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been through several pairs of various breathable waders too damn quickly …. they all developed leaks in the rear I’m sure this is because I fish from a kickboat a lot and the kicking while sitting on a fairly hard surface stresses the membrane under my rear and causes it to fail before I rush out to spend the big bucks on Sims …. will they stand up to this use? I’ve heard enough " the very best" reports about them to believe they are the best and tough in "normal" use … but I’m not sure my lard ass kickin round the pond is normal Anyone used Sim guides for a LONG time with LOTS of kickboat time …. or should I just stick with my old neoprenes for that use? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I fish around 60 days a year, and that will be going up ( assuming enough snow to make water to fish in) to around 100, as I am now semi-retired I am getting Sims, waiting for the G3’s. I will use them for all wade fishing, where my kickboat isn’t a factor. But the real reason for my post was to see if the "seat crunching, material sliding on itself under pressure" deal of kickboat use ( both kicking and rowing cause this sliding) is simply beyond "breathable" technology. If breathables can be made to last, they are ideal. Since most of your body is out of the water, rowing or kicking, breathable is literally "cool" but when you stop to wade fish, leaks are far too cool. FWIW, I just this minute called Simms and the nice lady told me that "guide input" was a a reason the G3’s will have a greatly tougher "rear" and, implied that they have had problems with the membrane breaking down under lots of "kickboat" use ( rowing a drift boat would be the same, btw ) and felt the new design would solve the problem …but "Nothing is infallible." I have good 5mm neoprenes, but roast in them, maybe I’ll try some 3mm, or a second pair of cheaper breathables for when I drift rivers in the watermaster or fish still waters using it Then again, maybe I’ll just use the Simms and end up with a sad tale, or great product testimonial —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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hehe …sorry most of the outdoorsmen I know aren’t that sensitive. I’ll be more careful in the future …. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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If you have to hike long distances to get to your spots and you wear your waders, you’ll eventually blow out the seams or the neoprene in the feet. More and more, I find myself packing my waders and a pair of lightweight boots until I get there. That’s where most of my wear comes from. You can go through lots of felts that way. I also wear out the insides of the legs of my waders. Like you pointed out to me, I sound like a kid with new corduroys when I walk in my waders. I think I’ll continue to wear them out this way because I don’t like to fish with a pack on my back and I’m either too absent minded or get too preoccupied when fishing to remember picking up a pack when I put it down. Willi

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FWIW, I just this minute called Simms and the nice lady told me that "guide input" was a a reason the G3’s will have a greatly tougher "rear" and, implied that they have had problems with the membrane breaking down under lots of "kickboat" use ( rowing a drift boat would be the same, btw ) and felt the new design would solve the problem …but "Nothing is infallible."

Blaze orange neoprene butt pads ought to be integral to every pair of waders – that is if you don;t mind looking like an orangutan in heat. Mu

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This one’s easy, never eat olestra while flyfishing. Your pal, — TBone

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Why bright orange ? Hunters ? Not a bad idea. A camper got shot on the AT here in Georgia the other day. I was surprised to learn that it is even legal to shoot *from* the trail. — Charlie…

Much of the Appalachian Trail is on private property and exists there only by the grace of individual land owners. Where this is the case, I suspect that by and large it’s use is not governed by any official regulation beyond that which applies to private land use in general. Where one may or may not discharge a firearm legally probably varies somewhat from state to state, but here in Wisconsin hiking trails on private property are not subject to the same restrictions as say, improved roads, where one may not shoot from the road surface itself or anywhere within a certain distance from it. I’m guessing that most states are similar in this regard. Wolfgang

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Much of the Appalachian Trail is on private property and exists there only by the grace of individual land owners. Where this is the case, I suspect that by and large it’s use is not governed by any official regulation beyond that which applies to private land use in general. Where one may or may not discharge a firearm legally probably varies somewhat from state to state, but here in Wisconsin hiking trails on private property are not subject to the same restrictions as say, improved roads, where one may not shoot from the road surface itself or anywhere within a certain distance from it. I’m guessing that most states are similar in this regard.

I’m sure you are correct. I said I was surprised, not shocked, simply because I hadn’t thought it through. I often fish close to the trail and had a misguided sense that I was safer there than away from it. It makes perfect sense, though, that hunters would also use the trail for access, etc. — Charlie…

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I’ve heard gunshots the last two times I was out fishing. Made me wish that I had put some orange reflective tape on the back of my wading jacket, as I’ve been meaning to, for the past year

Same thing happened here last week. I forgot it was the first day of firearms season for deer. Heard three gunshots during while on the stream, and also wished I had a blaze orange hat or jacket. To top it off, this was the first time in about three years that I had fished this particular stretch of water, and I hoped the fishing had improved. It hadn’t. Bob

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Same thing happened here last week. I forgot it was the first day of firearms season for deer. Heard three gunshots during while on the stream, and also wished I had a blaze orange hat or jacket. To top it off, this was the first time in about three years that I had fished this particular stretch of water, and I hoped the fishing had improved. It hadn’t. Bob The stretch of water Scott and I were on, according to various and sundry Highly Reliable Witnesses we ran into, was great fishing two weeks before, one week before, the previous Tuesday, the previous Thursday and hell, even the day before, and … you know the punchline. Remove "XYZ" from email address

But we did hear gunshots!!! — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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I read this and thought "Who nicked the duck?"

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Hi All, Another story: I had a custom is this fall who was going to Montana and wanted new waders for the trip. He said he had bought 3 different under $200 brands of imported waders (which I won’t mention) over the past few years and had problems with them all because he was a very active stream fly fisher. He said some of the ffing guides he has met and some of his friends bragged about the Simms Guide model Gore-Tex waders so he was going to finally move up to them ($330US for 2003). If you actually fish a lot and are young and/or strong, you will good through most entry level products. Many ffers don’t actually get out much, so the less expensive gear works for them. Actually, you can now buy a "made in USA" breathable wader from Simms that is leak tested at their plant in Montana for $149US. This should out sell most all the sub-$200 imports. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been through several pairs of various breathable waders too damn quickly …. they all developed leaks in the rear I’m sure this is because I fish from a kickboat a lot and the kicking while sitting on a fairly hard surface stresses the membrane under my rear and causes it to fail before I rush out to spend the big bucks on Sims …. will they stand up to this use? I’ve heard enough " the very best" reports about them to believe they are the best and tough in "normal" use … but I’m not sure my lard ass kickin round the pond is normal Anyone used Sim guides for a LONG time with LOTS of kickboat time …. or should I just stick with my old neoprenes for that use? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, Another story: I had a custom is this fall who was going to Montana and wanted new waders for the trip. He said he had bought 3 different under $200 brands of imported waders (which I won’t mention) over the past few years and had problems with them all because he was a very active stream fly fisher. He said some of the ffing guides he has met and some of his friends bragged about the Simms Guide model Gore-Tex waders so he was going to finally move up to them ($330US for 2003). If you actually fish a lot and are young and/or strong, you will good through most entry level products. Many ffers don’t actually get out much, so the less expensive gear works for them.

I find that what’s hell on waders isn’t wading — it’s hiking through lots of prickly stuff, like wild roses and blackberries, and falling on your ass (no "butt leaks" yet, however). I look for pinhole leaks about every half dozen times I fish on my homewaters. If you have to hike long distances to get to your spots and you wear your waders, you’ll eventually blow out the seams or the neoprene in the feet. More and more, I find myself packing my waders and a pair of lightweight boots until I get there.

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I’ve been through several pairs of various breathable waders too damn quickly …. they all developed leaks in the rear I’m sure this is because I fish from a kickboat a lot and the kicking while sitting on a fairly hard surface stresses the membrane under my rear and causes it to fail before I rush out to spend the big bucks on Sims …. will they stand up to this use? I’ve heard enough " the very best" reports about them to believe they are the best and tough in "normal" use … but I’m not sure my lard ass kickin round the pond is normal Anyone used Sim guides for a LONG time with LOTS of kickboat time …. or should I just stick with my old neoprenes for that use? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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<snip Anyone used Sim guides for a LONG time with LOTS of kickboat time …. or should I just stick with my old neoprenes for that use?

I have a pair of Simms Guide Weights that I’ve used a fair amount in my float tube without any leak problems in the butt area. However, because I thought that that might be a problem for any breathables, I always wear an old worn out pair of neoprenes from which I’ve cut off most of the legs and left only enough of the top portion for the suspenders (looks like a pair of lederhosen) over the breathables. Bob Weinberger

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I’ve never had a "butt leak" (an unfelicitous phrase, if ever I’ve heard one) in my Simm’s breathable waders, and I do quite a bit of float tubing. But then, I only get a about two years of use from a pair. I think my hard use trashes them before "butt leaks" ever have a chance to develop.

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When you sit are they tight? You might be putting udo stress on the fabric.. john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been through several pairs of various breathable waders too damn quickly …. they all developed leaks in the rear I’m sure this is because I fish from a kickboat a lot and the kicking while sitting on a fairly hard surface stresses the membrane under my rear and causes it to fail before I rush out to spend the big bucks on Sims …. will they stand up to this use? I’ve heard enough " the very best" reports about them to believe they are the best and tough in "normal" use … but I’m not sure my lard ass kickin round the pond is normal Anyone used Sim guides for a LONG time with LOTS of kickboat time …. or should I just stick with my old neoprenes for that use? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I haven’t fished them yet; but I’m from Long Island originally, and when I visit the family this summer I will definitely fish one or both of these streams. I’ve reached the point in my life when I realize that there are few trips that can’t be extended a day to fish a few hours. Growing up in Brentwood on Long Island, I was mentally a million miles away from fly fishing for trout. It’s only from the vantage point of 900 miles away that I see the opportunities on Long Island. Keep your rod tip up. Memphis Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If anyone fishes these streams please let me know. I’ve been fishing them on and off for years with mostly poor results. I do better on the Ausable. Meanwhile beginners seems to out catch me easily. Any tips/advice? or do you want to buy my rods?

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If anyone fishes these streams please let me know. I’ve been fishing them on and off for years with mostly poor results. I do better on the Ausable. Meanwhile beginners seems to out catch me easily. Any tips/advice? or do you want to buy my rods?

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Any tips/advice? or do you want to buy my rods?

If they are T&T, Winston or Cane….maybe. Wayne Always looking for fine rods-cheap.

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I fished the Connetquot twice. I did not find it particularly satisfactory: inspite of the 3 to 4 fish per hour catch rate, the fish behave mostly like large stockers (heck, they are mostly large stockers), they thrash rather than fighting. Probably, fishing during this time of the year for sea-run ‘bows is more exciting than fishing in the summer. My advice: wholly buggers, large bead-head nymphs. The river is small, mostly very flat, with one or two deep holes per beat. That’s where the fish like to hang out, all of them, in quite large pods. Work those holes carefully, starting from the side closest to you, and from the downstream side of the hole. Inspite of the fact that these fish are stocked, they can be weary, since they see a lot of fishermen. Using a stealthy approach helps too !. -Vittorio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If anyone fishes these streams please let me know. I’ve been fishing them on and off for years with mostly poor results. I do better on the Ausable. Meanwhile beginners seems to out catch me easily. Any tips/advice? or do you want to buy my rods?

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As a Corporate Pilot we regularly tip the line guys & gals who give us good service…. I don’t think I have ever had anyone turn down the cash…. On the other hand if service is mediocre or poor a tip is out of the question…. Mark Captain – Falcon 50EX / Falcon 900EX – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, no. I never thought about that. I’ve been flying for several years and I never thought about tipping them. I do try to buy gas unless their tie down fee is high in which case I just grumble to myself and leave. I’ve had some line guys do nice things too like… 1) Run out in the rain to open the door before I get to the plane. 2) Run out and push the heavy Debonair back for me (usually also in the rain)… 3) Give me a ride into town. Usually it seems that the line guys who do nice stuff enjoy the planes and being around them. The guys who are only doing it for a job don’t bother. They are usually so friendly I might feel strange handing them a couple bucks. Kind of like tipping a friend, it might feel petty. But them again, perhaps I’ve been missing it…. So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals? Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.? If you do, how much? — Southwest Fisheries Science Center P.O. Box 271 La Jolla, CA 92038 858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX) "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t even know that WAS a job!" - George Costanza "Get off the cross, we need the wood." - Tori Amos Before you buy.

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Urine my sights now pal! ;)

Hey, I didn’t mean to piss you off! — Alex Transpose first two letters of return address to reply by email.

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Urine my sights now pal! ;) Hey, I didn’t mean to piss you off!

Sorry, it just leaked out of me. But, that’s all water under the bridge. Next time I’ll be a bit more a-comode-ating. — Southwest Fisheries Science Center P.O. Box 271 La Jolla, CA 92038 858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX) "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t even know that WAS a job!" - George Costanza "Get off the cross, we need the wood." - Tori Amos

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Can I offer chocolate chip cookies instead of cash?

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While we never tip our line guys here in Iowa City (the one time I tried, they turned me down), we DO bring a dozen fresh donuts to the FBO every Sunday morning. And there is ALWAYS a cold one in our fridge in our hangar for them. — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Warrior N33431

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals? Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.? If you do, how much? — Southwest Fisheries Science Center P.O. Box 271 La Jolla, CA 92038 858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX) "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t even know that WAS a job!" - George Costanza "Get off the cross, we need the wood." - Tori Amos

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So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals? Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.? If you do, how much? ^^^^^ Well, if they are taking you there for dialysis, I think a tip is definitely in order! <g

Urine my sights now pal! ;) — Southwest Fisheries Science Center P.O. Box 271 La Jolla, CA 92038 858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX) "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t even know that WAS a job!" - George Costanza "Get off the cross, we need the wood." - Tori Amos

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: Having been a former lineboy, believe me they will get over it! If you : still feel awkward, offer to take them for an airplane ride. By the time I : was old enough to legaly solo, I had stick time in 14 different types of : aircraft including Beech 18’s, 450hp Stearman, Pitts, Baron, turbo & : retract’s, all the Cessnas and Pipers, etc. I’ve taken all the line guys at SPX flying in the C140 (even on cross countries). One of the line guys at SPX just happens to be my Cessna 140 partner as well! (I can’t really call him a lineboy – he is married and four years older than me <g) — Dylan Smith, Houston TX. Flying: http://www.alioth.net/flying Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

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I never thought of it like that. That’s a really good insight, thanks for the post. Next time I’m over there (in the USA) I’m going to make sure I have some dollar bills on me. You’ve made me feel really guilty for not tipping the guy at Gainesville now! They put a red carpet out for me, and gave me a lift to the FBO in a golf buggy. I suppose that’s just me being a tight Brit (tipping is much rarer here than it is in the US). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Carrying a stack of one dollar bills in my shirt pocket is just as important to me as having current approach plates, always ready to reward the guys who help me out.

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1) Run out in the rain to open the door before I get to the plane. 2) Run out and push the heavy Debonair back for me (usually also in the rain)…

sounds like you need a high wing <gd&r — Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals? Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.? If you do, how much?

^^^^^ Well, if they are taking you there for dialysis, I think a tip is definitely in order! <g — Alex Transpose first two letters of return address to reply by email.

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HAHA… I love it!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals? Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.? If you do, how much? ^^^^^ Well, if they are taking you there for dialysis, I think a tip is definitely in order! <g — Alex Transpose first two letters of return address to reply by email.

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Oh, no. I never thought about that. I’ve been flying for several years and I never thought about tipping them.

Here we go again. You tip the waiters at any restraunt that doesn’t have a drive thru window, don’t you? Why wouldn’t you tip a line boy that services your aircraft that costs as much as a house? You fly out to the Bahamas and tip the crew of your chartered fishing boat handsomely, and they are just going to snort it up their nose that night. I have been on all sides of this spectrum from being the lineboy at a flight school/FBO to now being the owner/operator of a high performance aircraft (Ain’t America Great!?!?) I remember the few dozen times I was tipped (once by an aircraft thief!) when I was a lineboy. I made sure that the guys (and girl) who tipped me had their windshields washed, the ant’s nests around their tiedown spots were destroyed, if they were having a hard time starting their engine, I would get the GPU ready BEFORE they killed their battery… [snip] They are usually so friendly I might feel strange handing them a couple bucks. Kind of like tipping a friend, it might feel petty. But them again, perhaps I’ve been missing it….

[snip] Having been a former lineboy, believe me they will get over it! If you still feel awkward, offer to take them for an airplane ride. By the time I was old enough to legaly solo, I had stick time in 14 different types of aircraft including Beech 18’s, 450hp Stearman, Pitts, Baron, turbo & retract’s, all the Cessnas and Pipers, etc. Times to tip the lineboy: When he fuels the airplane and doesn’t chip the paint or spill fuel on your plane. When they give you a ride to the FBO office when you have been parked out in the boondocks. When they unload your bags from the plane while you are streching your legs after a long flight. When they run out to your plane in hurricane force wind and rain with an umbrella so _YOU_ and your passengers don’t get wet. When they tow your airplane from an area that is flooded up to the axials to a high and dry parking spot during/after a rain storm so _YOUR_ shoes don’t get soaked. Carrying a stack of one dollar bills in my shirt pocket is just as important to me as having current approach plates, always ready to reward the guys who help me out. Obligitory pilot joke: What is the difference between a pilot and a canoe? Sometimes a canoe will tip. — dan<atlynxtel.com Spam Bait: Honk If You’ve Never Seen An Uzi Fired From A Car Window

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So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals? Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.? If you do, how much? — Southwest Fisheries Science Center P.O. Box 271 La Jolla, CA 92038 858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX) "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t even know that WAS a job!" - George Costanza "Get off the cross, we need the wood." - Tori Amos

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Oh, no. I never thought about that. I’ve been flying for several years and I never thought about tipping them. I do try to buy gas unless their tie down fee is high in which case I just grumble to myself and leave. I’ve had some line guys do nice things too like… 1) Run out in the rain to open the door before I get to the plane. 2) Run out and push the heavy Debonair back for me (usually also in the rain)… 3) Give me a ride into town. Usually it seems that the line guys who do nice stuff enjoy the planes and being around them. The guys who are only doing it for a job don’t bother. They are usually so friendly I might feel strange handing them a couple bucks. Kind of like tipping a friend, it might feel petty. But them again, perhaps I’ve been missing it…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals? Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.? If you do, how much? — Southwest Fisheries Science Center P.O. Box 271 La Jolla, CA 92038 858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX) "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t even know that WAS a job!" - George Costanza "Get off the cross, we need the wood." - Tori Amos

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Hi all, Just got back from the Maine Clave. While it was great to renew acquaintances from last years and make some new ones events of the week put a damper on things. The fishing was good and I was able to escape on the river. It was good not to have TV for the past three days. Driving home I saw the con trail of a jet and thought that things were starting to return to the daily routine. But, then I stopped to wonder how many kids no longer have parents to take them fishing. Paul

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I was on the river near the dam when April, the dam keeper’s wife, began shouting at me to get out of the river and away from the dam. She was extremely excited and agitated. I gestured to John Russell who was fishing a little down-stream from me. We went to the dam keeper’s house to watch the news reports. I was shocked at what I saw. Simply unbelievable. I knew that my life was to be changed drastically because of what was happening, and I was immediately concerned because three roffians were at that moment flying – wayno, jeff miller, and Indian Joe. Finally, finding out that the hijacked flights originated in Boston and Newark, we were at least somewhat relieved that our fishing buddies weren’t on the aircraft. The briefest of trip reports follows mentioning those that attended, in order of arrival: Stan Gula: Stan’s knees were bothering him and he didn’t get to fish much, but at least he was there and having fun. John Russell: JR flew from Oregon. A gentle and sincere man, he caught fish on the Rapid. After the WTC horror, John became concerned because a brother lived in NYC. He eventually found him safe. I hope I can fish with JR in the future. Vince Norris: Another gentle and sincere man that I had the pleasure of meeting during May’s Penns Clave. Vince flew his own aircraft to the clave, landing at Berlin, NH. We were concerned that he would not be able to take off on Friday, but apparently the skies were cleared by then. Bill Laverty: Vince’s friend who arrived with Vince. First time fly fishing. He spent much of his time spin fishing in the lake. Dave Bottom: This guy knows more about Maine fishing than any person I know. It was great seeing him again, and he and I will fish the Kennebec together next month. Dave Tatosian: Has been to several claves. Knows the river well. Caught some fish. Dave Price: AKA Nice Dave. Tied flies, fished, caught fish, tied flies, fished, caught fish. Great guy to be around. Paul Goodwin: Got some nice trout and salmon on his home-made boo rod, with iddy biddy flies. Peter Charles and his wife Joanne: Peter got to try some new streamer patterns and was successful by landing a nice (3 lb ?) brookie out of 2nd current. I had the pleasure of netting it for him. Joanne kept us in stitches with her humor and wonderful personality. I will steelhead fish with Peter in October/Nov. Jeff Miller: After much concern and worry, Jeffy shows up on Wednesday driving a 15 passenger van rented from the airport in Baltimore. He fished the river NC style and was very successful. Kessie watched out for his nutritional needs. Indian Joe: Arrived with Jeff. Full of jokes and humor. I hope he caught fish because I did not spend any time with him. Joanne and me: If it wasn’t for Joanne, we wouldn’t have had all those wonderful snacks every evening. Me? I managed to catch a few and had a good time drinking Peter Charles’ birthday present (18 year old Scotch) The bonfire was canceled for Wednesday evening because of the tragedy in NY. All agreed we should have it, so on Thursday eventing Harry the dam keeper got a good blaze going. Great fire. Great talk. Some observations: In every little Maine town we travel through today there was some sort of celebration – a celebration of being an American. It was very touching. On most over-passes on the turnpike and super hiways there were flags displayed. Many cars and trucks had patriotic words printed on their rear windows. People were proud, but angry too. I pity the poor bastards that did this, for their hell is just beginning and will last a long, long time. God Bless America! Dave LaCourse Former Two Time Clavemeister Dave

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I would hope that the North Carolina contingency not rely on Jeffy/wayno/IJ for representation. It was poorly represented last year, so here’s hoping……

I beg your pardon? –Steve

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Speaking for The Daves (even the honorary one) I believe we will accept your gracious offer. /a Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I just booked Lakewood for Joanne and me, Sept 9 – 15. I have the following folks listed as going: Dave Bottom Dave Tatosian Dave Price Paul (Dave) Goodwin They want the same arrangement as last year, so if youse guys haven’t already called, I will do it for you. Wayno Harrison room by himself Indian Joe room by himself (Note: One person/cabin will be tolerated by Sue if there are not that many. This is a clave, so doubling up with others would be nice. <g) Big Cabin (Camp Comfort – non-smoking dudes only) So far there is: Jeffy Miller (I have your booze from last year) Peter Charles Frank Church (Wed – Sat) Comfort sleeps six, but last year we had 4 or 5 in it. It is the biggest camp and centrally located, so it becomes Clave Central by default. I would hope that the North Carolina contingency not rely on Jeffy/wayno/IJ for representation. It was poorly represented last year, so here’s hoping…… There is room for at least 10 other folks. For more info, go to www.lakewoodcamps.com If you want, I will make your reservations. But, *you* will be responsible for getting your $100 deposit to Sue to confirm your reservations. Let me know. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Dave I would like to share part of a cabin, just better off having a bedroom (not cabin ) to myself so the others can sleep. My wife says I snoore. Put me in big cabin if there is a small room. I will talk to Jeff about dates as perhaps we can combine dates. IJ

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IJ writes: Dave I would like to share part of a cabin, just better off having a bedroom (not cabin ) to myself so the others can sleep. My wife says I snoore. Put me in big cabin if there is a small room. I will talk to Jeff about dates as perhaps we can combine dates. IJ

You got it, IJ. Will put you in the big camp upstairs. Dave

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Are Jeffy Miller and Peter Charles "safe", I mean, will I be safe from them when the lights go out? If not, can I have Mildred? Will you make my reservations? I will send them a ru…ah…check next week. Frank (bouncy bouncy) Church

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I just booked Lakewood for Joanne and me, Sept 9 – 15. I have the following folks listed as going: Dave Bottom Dave Tatosian Dave Price Paul (Dave) Goodwin They want the same arrangement as last year, so if youse guys haven’t already called, I will do it for you. Wayno Harrison room by himself Indian Joe room by himself (Note: One person/cabin will be tolerated by Sue if there are not that many. This is a clave, so doubling up with others would be nice. <g) Big Cabin (Camp Comfort – non-smoking dudes only) So far there is: Jeffy Miller (I have your booze from last year) Peter Charles Frank Church (Wed – Sat) Comfort sleeps six, but last year we had 4 or 5 in it. It is the biggest camp and centrally located, so it becomes Clave Central by default. I would hope that the North Carolina contingency not rely on Jeffy/wayno/IJ for representation. It was poorly represented last year, so here’s hoping…… There is room for at least 10 other folks. For more info, go to www.lakewoodcamps.com If you want, I will make your reservations. But, *you* will be responsible for getting your $100 deposit to Sue to confirm your reservations. Let me know. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Frank Church writes: Are Jeffy Miller and Peter Charles "safe", I mean, will I be safe from them when the lights go out? If not, can I have Mildred? Will you make my reservations? I will send them a ru…ah…check next week. Frank (bouncy bouncy) Church

Jeffy and Peter are ok. And they do not snore. Indian Joe will also be in your camp. Mildred is old and tired. I have retired her. <g Dave

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Are Jeffy Miller and Peter Charles "safe", I mean, will I be safe from them when the lights go out? If not, can I have Mildred?

To Miss Jo in New Zealand: Mildred is a goat. Please do not worry. She is well. <g

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Mildred is a goat. Please do not worry. She is well. <g

Check out http://bbs.bianca.com/mforums/w/whiteshadow/posts/2000_Jul_03/97734/9… — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I just booked Lakewood for Joanne and me, Sept 9 – 15. I have the following folks listed as going: Dave Bottom Dave Tatosian Dave Price Paul (Dave) Goodwin They want the same arrangement as last year, so if youse guys haven’t already called, I will do it for you. Wayno Harrison room by himself Indian Joe room by himself (Note: One person/cabin will be tolerated by Sue if there are not that many. This is a clave, so doubling up with others would be nice. <g) Big Cabin (Camp Comfort – non-smoking dudes only) So far there is: Jeffy Miller (I have your booze from last year) Peter Charles Frank Church (Wed – Sat) Comfort sleeps six, but last year we had 4 or 5 in it. It is the biggest camp and centrally located, so it becomes Clave Central by default. I would hope that the North Carolina contingency not rely on Jeffy/wayno/IJ for representation. It was poorly represented last year, so here’s hoping…… There is room for at least 10 other folks. For more info, go to www.lakewoodcamps.com If you want, I will make your reservations. But, *you* will be responsible for getting your $100 deposit to Sue to confirm your reservations. Let me know. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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dave, are those the camps located just north of middle dam, i have fished the rapid a few times and usualy rent a camp site further up lake [ towards upper richardson same side of lake], i’ve always wondered about the camps

Yes, "Lakewood Camps" is located within a ten minute walk directly north of Middledam. Great place, awesome food, friendly and capable hosts. Hope you can join us, Chris. /daytripper

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dave, are those the camps located just north of middle dam, i have fished the rapid a few times and usualy rent a camp site further up lake [ towards upper richardson same side of lake], i’ve always wondered about the camps

Yes, "Lakewood Camps" is located within a ten minute walk directly north of Middledam. Great place, awesome food, friendly and capable hosts. Hope you can join us, Chris. Yes, I second that, Chris. Those camp sites usually close the week-end after Labor Day. But If you can make it to Lakewood, please join us. See www.lakewoodcamps.com for more info. Dave LaCourse

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To date I have received deposits from Steve Z., Peter and Charlie Choc. I need to send deposits asap after the 1st of the year (if we’re all alive by then). Sooooooooo, those of you who are sitting on the can and not doing anything, send your deposit to: Dave LaCourse 120 Brook St. Hudson, MA 01749 A nice message with the check would be appreciated. You know, like, "Stick this, LaPlac", or something else appropriate for a roffer to say. Unless otherwise stated, I will have you arriving before lunch on the 10th, and leaving before lunch on the 16th. Dave L., who is doing this either because he is insane or ’cause "he cares:". Early results are in, and "Insane" looks like a shoo-in… /daytripper ("The check’s in the mail!" ;^

It takes one to know one. Paul

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Early results are in, and "Insane" looks like a shoo-in…

Isn’t that sort of like saying Charles Manson is ‘peculiar’?<g. — Charlie…

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Paul (Salmon Fly) writes: Early results are in, and "Insane" looks like a shoo-in… /daytripper ("The check’s in the mail!" ;^

It takes one to know one. Paul Thank you, Paul. Said like the gentleman I know you are Dave L.

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Your being hard on yourself agian Paul Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To date I have received deposits from Steve Z., Peter and Charlie Choc. I need to send deposits asap after the 1st of the year (if we’re all alive by then). Sooooooooo, those of you who are sitting on the can and not doing anything, send your deposit to: Dave LaCourse 120 Brook St. Hudson, MA 01749 A nice message with the check would be appreciated. You know, like, "Stick this, LaPlac", or something else appropriate for a roffer to say. Unless otherwise stated, I will have you arriving before lunch on the 10th, and leaving before lunch on the 16th. Dave L., who is doing this either because he is insane or ’cause "he cares:". Early results are in, and "Insane" looks like a shoo-in… /daytripper ("The check’s in the mail!" ;^ It takes one to know one. Paul

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Ever since the meniscus

Understood<g. — Charlie…

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dave, are those the camps located just north of middle dam, i have fished the rapid a few times and usualy rent a camp site further up lake [ towards upper richardson same side of lake], i’ve always wondered about the camps chris smith porter maine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chris Smith: <<dave, could you post the info for the clave again, i some how spaced it chris smith porter maine Hi, Chris. The Maine ‘Clave will be held from September 10 thru the 16 at Lakewood Camps on Lower Lake Richardson. We will be fishing the famous Rapid River for big brookies and land locked salmon. Lakewood Camps is on the American plan – for $95/day you get a rustic cabin circa 1920, with electricity from 6:30 a.m. until 11 p.m. The three meals a day that Jan and her crew provide are excellent. If you do not want to come back to camp for lunch, a bag lunch to your specifications is provided, including thermos. It is a wonderful place to spend time, let alone fishing. The Rapid River is the output of Lower Lake Richardson and flows into Umbagog. (The output of Umbagog is the Androoscoggin River.) It is a catch and release river on brook trout, with one salmon allowed/day (14 inches) until Aug. 1 when they also become C&R. The river has been written up in many publications and is wonderfully fast and beautiful. It is a fairly large river with large brookies and ll’s, fly fishing only. To date 13 roffers have signed up. I have met and fished with them all, and they are a fine bunch of n’er do wells. You wouldn’t bring any of them home to meet your family, but to fish with, they ain’t all *that* bad. There is still room and I hope other roffers will take this opportunity to sign up. Dave L.

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Isn’t that sort of like saying Charles Manson is ‘peculiar’?<g. Um……isn’t he? It was meant as an understatement, and hopefully his parole board will continue to feel the same way.

Thanks Charlie. Always thought he was a bit peculiar myself. Just wanted to be sure I wasn’t the Lone Ranger on this one. Ever since the meniscus

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Chris Smith: <<dave, could you post the info for the clave again, i some how spaced it chris smith porter maine Hi, Chris. The Maine ‘Clave will be held from September 10 thru the 16 at Lakewood Camps on Lower Lake Richardson. We will be fishing the famous Rapid River for big brookies and land locked salmon. Lakewood Camps is on the American plan – for $95/day you get a rustic cabin circa 1920, with electricity from 6:30 a.m. until 11 p.m. The three meals a day that Jan and her crew provide are excellent. If you do not want to come back to camp for lunch, a bag lunch to your specifications is provided, including thermos. It is a wonderful place to spend time, let alone fishing. The Rapid River is the output of Lower Lake Richardson and flows into Umbagog. (The output of Umbagog is the Androoscoggin River.) It is a catch and release river on brook trout, with one salmon allowed/day (14 inches) until Aug. 1 when they also become C&R. The river has been written up in many publications and is wonderfully fast and beautiful. It is a fairly large river with large brookies and ll’s, fly fishing only. To date 13 roffers have signed up. I have met and fished with them all, and they are a fine bunch of n’er do wells. You wouldn’t bring any of them home to meet your family, but to fish with, they ain’t all *that* bad. There is still room and I hope other roffers will take this opportunity to sign up. Dave L.

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Wayno took it in the shorts at the Carolina Clave, and it ain’t gonna happen this time. Uh, I thought we weren’t going to talk about that…

Well, now at least we know just who’s shorts Louie was wearing… /daytripper

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dave, could you post the info for the clave again, i some how spaced it chris smith porter maine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To date I have received deposits from Steve Z., Peter and Charlie Choc. I need to send deposits asap after the 1st of the year (if we’re all alive by then). Sooooooooo, those of you who are sitting on the can and not doing anything, send your deposit to: Dave LaCourse 120 Brook St. Hudson, MA 01749 A nice message with the check would be appreciated. You know, like, "Stick this, LaPlac", or something else appropriate for a roffer to say. Unless otherwise stated, I will have you arriving before lunch on the 10th, and leaving before lunch on the 16th. Dave L., who is doing this either because he is insane or ’cause "he cares:".

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The Wonderful Counselor from the Great North State, wayno, has volunteered to do the t-shirts (with the help of his son, Anthony, the artist of the Carolina Clave T-shirt). However, orders will be taken and money will pass hands before any shirts are handed/mailed out. The same with the hats I will have done. Wayno took it in the shorts at the Carolina Clave, and it ain’t gonna happen this time. Money up front, folks. Dave L.

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Wayno took it in the shorts at the Carolina Clave, and it ain’t gonna happen this time.

Uh, I thought we weren’t going to talk about that… — Charlie…

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Early results are in, and "Insane" looks like a shoo-in… Isn’t that sort of like saying Charles Manson is ‘peculiar’?<g.

Um……isn’t he?

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Early results are in, and "Insane" looks like a shoo-in… Isn’t that sort of like saying Charles Manson is ‘peculiar’?<g. Um……isn’t he?

It was meant as an understatement, and hopefully his parole board will continue to feel the same way. — Charlie…

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To date I have received deposits from Steve Z., Peter and Charlie Choc. I need to send deposits asap after the 1st of the year (if we’re all alive by then). Sooooooooo, those of you who are sitting on the can and not doing anything, send your deposit to: Dave LaCourse 120 Brook St. Hudson, MA 01749 A nice message with the check would be appreciated. You know, like, "Stick this, LaPlac", or something else appropriate for a roffer to say. Unless otherwise stated, I will have you arriving before lunch on the 10th, and leaving before lunch on the 16th. Dave L., who is doing this either because he is insane or ’cause "he cares:".

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -To date I have received deposits from Steve Z., Peter and Charlie Choc. I need to send deposits asap after the 1st of the year (if we’re all alive by then). Sooooooooo, those of you who are sitting on the can and not doing anything, send your deposit to: Dave LaCourse 120 Brook St. Hudson, MA 01749 A nice message with the check would be appreciated. You know, like, "Stick this, LaPlac", or something else appropriate for a roffer to say. Unless otherwise stated, I will have you arriving before lunch on the 10th, and leaving before lunch on the 16th. Dave L., who is doing this either because he is insane or ’cause "he cares:".

Early results are in, and "Insane" looks like a shoo-in… /daytripper ("The check’s in the mail!" ;^)

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i like fester’s sense of humor and great bulkwark against the adam and steve crowd

I saw the Titrantic movie but thought it was too long.

what about tantric religion? oh and here are some websites on sex and religion:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?o=1&p=sex+and+religion&d=y&za=and&h=c&… 0 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter Zimmerman The "Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance" provide accurate information on various religions, and expose groundless religious hatred. Web site http://www.religioustolerance.org

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and the former baptist looking into episcopal church says, "gentleman PLEASE! more decorum!" on sodomy: yes quigle, you can "be episcopal and be gay" guess what? over 30 christian denominations have active gay movements in them..even the muslim religion now has one. Peter Zimmerman

Fester thinks you should go back to the bath house and quit trying to pollute religion with your gross sexual perversions. If you want to be religious fine, if you want to be a pervert fine. But don’t try to pervert religion with your gross sexual perversion.

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I saw the Titrantic movie but thought it was too long.

what about tantric religion? oh and here are some websites on sex and religion:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?o=1&p=sex+and+religion&d=y&za=and&h=c&… 0 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter Zimmerman The "Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance" provide accurate information on various religions, and expose groundless religious hatred. Web site http://www.religioustolerance.org

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what about tantric religion? oh and here are some websites on sex and religion: http://search.yahoo.com/search?o=1&p=sex+and+religion&d=y&za=and&h=c&… Peter Zimmerman The "Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance" provide accurate information on various religions, and expose groundless religious hatred. Web site http://www.religioustolerance.org

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Will The Real Episcopalian please stand up? I have been lurking here for a short time and this is my first posting. Nearly all the threads I have followed here sound far from episcopalian. eg. jehovah witness prosoletyzing spam eg. creation vs. evolution, this is not a problem for anglicans. eg. "religious" right wing rantings about PRESIDENT Clinton, and "sodomites" eg. discussions about the writings of Tim LaHaye, not exactly Richard Hooker.

My thoughts exactly. The Episcopal Church I know is one where God is worshipped, and love of God and neighbor are, again and again, brought to our attention as the two great commandments. And it’s a place where people of widely diverse understandings get together and are willing to discuss the hard questions in an atmosphere of mutual respect and the love of Christ. It is a place where there is an almost quixotic insistence that ALL Christians share a common faith. And a place where, once the discussion ends, we all wish each other peace, and kneel (or stand) at a common table and partake of Christ. This place seems to be endless sniping and name-calling. Absolutely the opposite of what this church is. No wonder we confess our sins three times a day.

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Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you, A Real Episcopalian

Nope, I heard it here, we can be totally depraved sodomites, and as long as we "pray the same" we’re all Episcopalians!!!! Fester, A Real Episcopalian

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Fester Quigle, says… Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you, A Real Episcopalian Nope, I heard it here, we can be totally depraved sodomites, and as long as we "pray the same" we’re all Episcopalians!!!! Fester, A Real Episcopalian

Go to Dallas!

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Will The Real Episcopalian please stand up? I have been lurking here for a short time and this is my first posting. Nearly all the threads I have followed here sound far from episcopalian. eg. jehovah witness prosoletyzing spam eg. creation vs. evolution, this is not a problem for anglicans. eg. "religious" right wing rantings about PRESIDENT Clinton, and "sodomites" eg. discussions about the writings of Tim LaHaye, not exactly Richard Hooker. Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you, A Real Episcopalian

Having contributed to at least one of the threads that you find offensive, I would like to say that other Episcopalians, whether they are Evangelicals (which I am NOT) or conservative traditionalists (which I AM) have as much right to discuss topics of interest to them within this newsgroup as you do to make the outlandish assertion that only you and people who think as you do should set the agenda in each and every thread. What an ego!!! I’ll keep you in mind at evening prayer services today. Regards

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will The Real Episcopalian please stand up? I have been lurking here for a short time and this is my first posting. Nearly all the threads I have followed here sound far from episcopalian. eg. jehovah witness prosoletyzing spam eg. creation vs. evolution, this is not a problem for anglicans. eg. "religious" right wing rantings about PRESIDENT Clinton, and "sodomites" eg. discussions about the writings of Tim LaHaye, not exactly Richard Hooker. Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you, A Real Episcopalian Having contributed to at least one of the threads that you find offensive, I would like to say that other Episcopalians, whether they are Evangelicals (which I am NOT) or conservative traditionalists (which I AM) have as much right to discuss topics of interest to them within this newsgroup as you do to make the outlandish assertion that only you and people who think as you do should set the agenda in each and every thread. What an ego!!! I’ll keep you in mind at evening prayer services today. Regards

Bruce, dahling, will you be passing this poisonous prayer at the Church of the Heavenlty Taste, where there is wine list at communion? Be sure to try the traditional St. James Stanton Port with the Stilton flavored hosts. You’ll want to go back for seconds! See you there, SON O GOD

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will The Real Episcopalian please stand up? I have been lurking here for a short time and this is my first posting. Nearly all the threads I have followed here sound far from episcopalian. eg. jehovah witness prosoletyzing spam eg. creation vs. evolution, this is not a problem for anglicans. eg. "religious" right wing rantings about PRESIDENT Clinton, and "sodomites" eg. discussions about the writings of Tim LaHaye, not exactly Richard Hooker. Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you, A Real Episcopalian Having contributed to at least one of the threads that you find offensive, I would like to say that other Episcopalians, whether they are Evangelicals (which I am NOT) or conservative traditionalists (which I AM) have as much right to discuss topics of interest to them within this newsgroup as you do to make the outlandish assertion that only you and people who think as you do should set the agenda in each and every thread. What an ego!!! I’ll keep you in mind at evening prayer services today. Regards Bruce, dahling, will you be passing this poisonous prayer at the Church of the Heavenlty Taste, where there is wine list at communion? Be sure to try the traditional St. James Stanton Port with the Stilton flavored hosts. You’ll want to go back for seconds! See you there, SON O GOD

Little Willy Wantland sez…. "Be sure to ask for the genuine Eau Claire, Wisconsin Stilton flavored hosts. Do not accept any substitutes!"

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Bruce, dahling, will you be passing this poisonous prayer at the Church of the Heavenlty Taste, where there is wine list at communion? Be sure to try the traditional St. James Stanton Port with the Stilton flavored hosts. You’ll want to go back for seconds!

Tsk, tsk, tsk. How little Son O God understands of us Episcopalians! We hold services only at the most upscale of churches – mine is the Church of the 18th Hole – and of course we would not deign to use anything other than the finest Bordeau vintages and biscotti at communion. bokononist — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Tsk, tsk, tsk. How little Son O God understands of us Episcopalians! We hold services only at the most upscale of churches – mine is the Church of the 18th Hole – and of course we would not deign to use anything other than the finest Bordeau vintages and biscotti at communion.

bokononist – old pal! It’s been a long time!! How’s about another round of golf next time you’re in town? See you at the Church of the Hole-in-One! By the way, you still haven’t paid up your debt from our last game. Regards

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What a cheap use of sarcasm…you two enjoy youselves on the links!!! I’ll fly fish and thank God I’m there! Peace to you all!!

We’re related. Regards

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tsk, tsk, tsk. How little Son O God understands of us Episcopalians! We hold services only at the most upscale of churches – mine is the Church of the 18th Hole – and of course we would not deign to use anything other than the finest Bordeau vintages and biscotti at communion. bokononist – old pal! It’s been a long time!! How’s about another round of golf next time you’re in town? See you at the Church of the Hole-in-One! By the way, you still haven’t paid up your debt from our last game.

What a cheap use of sarcasm…you two enjoy youselves on the links!!! I’ll fly fish and thank God I’m there! Peace to you all!!

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Little Willy Wantland sez…. "Be sure to ask for the genuine Eau Claire, Wisconsin Stilton flavored hosts. Do not accept any substitutes!"

You CAN do better than that, I hope? At this rate – you would not qualify for admission to a Mississippi Baptist high school (shudderat the thought). You are welcome to try again, however. bokononist — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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and the former baptist looking into episcopal church says, "gentleman PLEASE! more decorum!" on sodomy: yes quigle, you can "be episcopal and be gay" guess what? over 30 christian denominations have active gay movements in them..even the muslim religion now has one. Peter Zimmerman The "Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance" provide accurate information on various religions, and expose groundless religious hatred. Web site http://www.religioustolerance.org

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Will The Real Episcopalian please stand up? I have been lurking here for a short time and this is my first posting. Nearly all the threads I have followed here sound far from episcopalian. eg. jehovah witness prosoletyzing spam eg. creation vs. evolution, this is not a problem for anglicans. eg. "religious" right wing rantings about PRESIDENT Clinton, and "sodomites" eg. discussions about the writings of Tim LaHaye, not exactly Richard Hooker. Please, spammers go elsewhere and allow REAL Episcopalians discuss their church and faith and practice in peace. thank you, A Real Episcopalian

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This has been a very different Spring, pre-runoff season here in Colorado. My local river is fishing more like it normally does in late Summer than during a typical Spring. They are beginning to draw water for the farmers and runoff hasn’t started. Weather has been warm and the river is VERY low and warm for this time of year. Hatches have started but are limited in variety. BWO’s, heavy on cloudy days and sporadic on sunny ones. Midges pretty consistent. No caddis or stoneflies. Just like late summer. I really enjoy this type of fishing. All day on cloudy days and in the morning and late in the day on sunny ones, the fish move into the heads of the pools and feed. They are surface feeding as well as chasing nymphs, often leaving wakes while feeding in water less than a foot in depth. This is slow, meticulous fishing that suits my unasked for "maturity." Stalking, crawling, and creeping into casting position without spooking the fish is the first requirement for success. This can frequently take up to ten minutes, resting the fish after each short crawl. Long tapered leaders that can turn over a long light tippet are a help as is a slow rod that will cast a long leader with little or no line beyond the tip. Slow careful approaches that get you close enough for a short cast with very little line on the water are much more effective than longer casts that can line cruising fish. In situations that require longer casts, I really like the new, for me, Cortland Clear Creek line with its long front taper. Many of these fish are cruising the slack shallow water picking off whatever they find instead of setting up feeding stations like the fish feeding in areas with current. These are the toughest ones. It’s hard to predict where they will feed next and the lack of current give them a long look at your fly. Any line slap near them, sends them scurrying off leaving a wake, often putting the other fish down. The fish feeding in the tongues of current are much easier. The current helps hide imperfect presentations and the fish don’t have the time to scrutinize your fly. The rule of fishing the fish closest to you really applies in this situation. Spooking a fish near you will often results in a ruckus that will put down the other fish or even send them all off to deeper water. Playing a hooked fish without spooking the rest takes some luck and some strategy. I find that steady sideways pressure leading the fish away from the others and toward deeper water immediately after the strike SOMETIMES works. If it doesn’t, you generally have two choices, rest the fish and hope they’ll return to feeding or look for a new pod of fish. I’ve caught some surprisingly large fish during these shallow water feeding sprees. Catching a 20+ inch fish in water this shallow is a kick! Willi

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tell me where to get them and i will do it thanx Andrew What should i put on my website. I have an outdoor Oriented site and was wondering what you guys like in a website. Please let me know. Andrew Fulton Andrew, Being the presumptious sob that I can be, I’ll speak for the group…. nude flyfishing women that should about cover it….. –Wataugan Walt

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If you can tell me where to get them i will do it. Thanx Andrew What should i put on my website. I have an outdoor Oriented site and was wondering what you guys like in a website. Please let me know. Andrew Fulton Andrew, Being the presumptious sob that I can be, I’ll speak for the group…. nude flyfishing women that should about cover it….. –Wataugan Walt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What should i put on my website. I have an outdoor Oriented site and was wondering what you guys like in a website. Please let me know. Andrew Fulton Andrew, Being the presumptious sob that I can be, I’ll speak for the group…. nude flyfishing women that should about cover it….. –Wataugan Walt

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Hi. I am looking for your help and information on a project that I have going at present. I am producing a guide to the best places to fish and require information from your area. The information I need is of course the best fishing locations,species to target,methods of catching the fish,tackle used,local tackle shops accommodation etc.Please also classify the type of fishing it is,i.e boat,game,fly,coarse etc…. If the information provided is used,you will receive a credit to your name for providing the information. You may even be contacted as the local guide for the area if you wish. If possible,I would like information as to where the location is,be it by hand drawing or other,the nearest airport and port. This is a big project and your help will be greatly appreciated. Please send details by return e-mail and an acknowledgement will be sent to you. Kind regards. Paul Suggitt If you received this e-mail in error,then please accept my sincere apologies for bothering you. If you type remove in the subject line and return the mail,I will ensure that you will not be bothered again!

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One should be careful of posts like this, it MAY open you up to spam in your personal emailbox, and being added to a master email list for unsolicited ads that get sold these days. Post suggestions to the ng, thats what this is for right? JohnM

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi. I am looking for your help and information on a project that I have going at present. I am producing a guide to the best places to fish and require information from your area. The information I need is of course the best fishing locations,species to target,methods of catching the fish,tackle used,local tackle shops accommodation etc.Please also classify the type of fishing it is,i.e boat,game,fly,coarse etc…. If the information provided is used,you will receive a credit to your name for providing the information. You may even be contacted as the local guide for the area if you wish. If possible,I would like information as to where the location is,be it by hand drawing or other,the nearest airport and port. This is a big project and your help will be greatly appreciated. Please send details by return e-mail and an acknowledgement will be sent to you. Kind regards. Paul Suggitt If you received this e-mail in error,then please accept my sincere apologies for bothering you. If you type remove in the subject line and return the mail,I will ensure that you will not be bothered again!

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you.