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We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof.  The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month. But with these two events closing in on the Bush administration, the falling polls, and the complicity of 9/11 getting known, may trigger another attack, and the declaration of martial law, in order to cancel the election, shut down the Internet as we know it, and to clamp down on further discussion of 9/11. Some say we are already in a partial police state,  and some say we now more everything that has been said, the Congress, the military,  the media, does nothing.  Obviously they are persuaded to do nothing. http://www.911sharethetruth.com 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB–OUR NATION IS IN PERIL       – A Call to All True Patriots –    We have actively studied the questionable nature of the official version of what happened to our nation on September 11, 2001. Throughout the first year after 9-11 we ignored and did not believe those who asked us to question the official story. Like millions of Americans we believed America had been attacked by terrorists from abroad. Sadly, we are now convinced that our government committed a vicious criminal act against its own citizens for the larger purpose of swaying us to support both domestic and foreign policies mapped out in the mid and late 1990’s. 9-11 was Hitler’s Reichstag fire of 1933 and Roosevelt’s Pearl Harbor masterfully coordinated to achieve the desired ends of an imperialistic role for America in the world, patriotic support at home and the erosion of our constitutional rights. In a nutshell, the war on terrorism is a cruel hoax by a misguided, out-of-democratic control small group of individuals sabotaging the best of American values. We are in the midst of a constitutional crisis combined with severe domination from an Orwellian corporate media knowingly or unknowingly being of service to the true powerbrokers behind the curtain. We feel like we are living in the "Matrix" where we can blend in, but knowing something is horribly wrong and must be exposed. The quality of life for all of our loved ones is at stake along with the hopes of millions of people for a world of peace, freedom and ecological sustainability. If just a few of you take the time to study a little more and become involved in the 9-11 truth movement we will be greatly appreciative. We strongly feel that people of all progressive movements should involve themselves in this effort to expose the truth about 9-11 and in the greatest push ever from the grassroots to nonviolently replace our current despotic leadership. It would have tremendous positive consequences to all of our progressive movements if similar to the fall of Nixon over Watergate that the Bush administration was exposed on this and replaced. This outrageous criminal act must be brought to justice and our freedoms restored. We need to reach out now to all those who may be willing to hear and break the silence. Go to site for posters, cassettes, buttons… http://www.911sharethetruth.com

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We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof.  The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month.

Yep, it was an inside job….the planes blew up INSIDE the buildings. Gee, you are so smart.  You are right about specially outfitted planes… aircraft slamming into the side of a building would go in just like a missle.  And correct again about the controlled demolition…those terrorists must have been really skilled to be able to CONTROL the way they demolished the buildings. By the way numbnuts, watch the footage again.  The buildings did not collapse starting from the bottom.  A controlled demolition would not have been done in the basement, but would have needed to take out at least a dozen floors with the size of the buildings and taken at least a week to plan, and implement.  I think people would have gotten just a mite suspicious with work crews cutting through the structural pilings, setting shaped charges and running primer cord throughout the buildings. The quality of the steel made back when the towers were constructed was poor compared to today.  The structural tolerance was quite low.  The intense heat would collapse the pilings.  And the weight exerted by the upper floors would and did cause the lower ones to fail, causing a cascade failure.  The only way the building would have toppled is if the lower pilings were strong enough to hold back the collapsing upper floors and deflect the path of the fall.  But, as we all saw, it did not. Cease and decist your trolling.  People are getting sick of your freakish extremist "moveon.orgism". GO AWAY!!!!     *PLONK*

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof.  The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month. But with these two events closing in on the Bush administration, the falling polls, and the complicity of 9/11 getting known, may trigger another attack, and the declaration of martial law, in order to cancel the election, shut down the Internet as we know it, and to clamp down on further discussion of 9/11. Some say we are already in a partial police state,  and some say we now more everything that has been said, the Congress, the military,  the media, does nothing.  Obviously they are persuaded to do nothing. Yup – and yet the media still refuses to even question the wacko bush conspriracy explanation for 9-11.  Thank gof for the net or it would truly be hopeless.

What does gof have to do with anything. — Retired military and damn proud of it.

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Yup – and yet the media still refuses to even question the wacko bush conspriracy explanation for 9-11.  Thank gof for the net or it would truly be hopeless. Indeed.  Being uncensored,

Free press would also be uncensored.                                       the net provides the ideal soapbox for every paranoid conspiracy theorist who knows how to use a keyboard.

Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Matti P.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. This is true.  Yet, just because it does not conform to my beliefs does not automatically mean that it is accurate. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. Perhaps then I should have used the full term "paranoid conspiracy theory" – addressing those ideas that attempt to explain facts that have already been explained, but in a far more bizarre and usually convoluted manner that reassures the wannabe Fox Mulder that The Truth Really Is Out There, and that THEY do not want you to know about it.  It is really only a desire on the part of the theorist to demonstrate their ability to outwit THEM, despite all the barriers THEY supposedly put in the theorists’ way.

I understood your point; just wanted to clarify terms. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Oh, by no means.  In my experience, by far the silliest theory yet put forward is by the Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs) themselves.

Please note: I said "among the silliest", not "the silliest". Matti P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is the notion that the attack on the Pentagon was carried out not by a terrorist in a hijacked 767, but by a remote-controlled drone plane or missile, packed with explosives and painted (this is priceless) in American Airlines livery to fool onlookers (who presumably cannot tell the difference between a liner and a missile or fighter), whilst the actual 767 was landed at an airport nearby having been flown OVER the Pentagon in the confusion.  The passengers were later ‘disappeared’ by the CIA. There are more holes in this ludicrous ‘explanation’ than in a standard fishing net – and yet it is passed reverently from PCT to PCT as though it is some holy gospel of truth.  In comparison to that, at least to those who have even the slightest grip on the real world, the official line, whilst perhaps open to question in some areas, seems to make far more sense. — Midjis

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. This is true.  Yet, just because it does not conform to my beliefs does not automatically mean that it is accurate. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. Perhaps then I should have used the full term "paranoid conspiracy theory" – addressing those ideas that attempt to explain facts that have already been explained, but in a far more bizarre and usually convoluted manner that reassures the wannabe Fox Mulder that The Truth Really Is Out There, and that THEY do not want you to know about it.  It is really only a desire on the part of the theorist to demonstrate their ability to outwit THEM, despite all the barriers THEY supposedly put in the theorists’ way. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Oh, by no means.  In my experience, by far the silliest theory yet put forward is by the Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs) themselves.  This is the notion that the attack on the Pentagon was carried out not by a terrorist in a hijacked 767, but by a remote-controlled drone plane or missile, packed with explosives and painted (this is priceless) in American Airlines livery to fool onlookers (who presumably cannot tell the difference between a liner and a missile or fighter), whilst the actual 767 was landed at an airport nearby having been flown OVER the Pentagon in the confusion.  The passengers were later ‘disappeared’ by the CIA. There are more holes in this ludicrous ‘explanation’ than in a standard fishing net – and yet it is passed reverently from PCT to PCT as though it is some holy gospel of truth.  In comparison to that, at least to those who have even the slightest grip on the real world, the official line, whilst perhaps open to question in some areas, seems to make far more sense. — Midjis

But there is conclusive physical evidence that no 767 hit the Pentagon, in fact no evidence of fusilage of any plane found.. The fact that two, one piece that does not match photographed on the lawn points to conspiracy. There was no American Airlines flight 77 scheduled to fly that day. There is conclusive physical evididence that no  passenger jet plane hit the 1st tower or penetrated it. {The film shown shown the following day  9/12, was  crudely edited.  You can see it by looking for the evidence "first plane")  There is only three small holes in the building, none greater that a few feet. There was no American Airlines flight 11 scheduled to fly that day.  What few eye witnesses say a very small plane, holding no more than 10-12 seats, or "a missle with wings".  Check out the examination of that flight and the photos  on thewebfairy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The sheer volume of web articles devoted to the idea that there is ‘conclusive physical evidence’ of anything of the sort is absolutely staggering.  Particularly since there is no such evidence. Patently false. Yes, it is easy to say that, is it not?  But I would be interested to see you provide some of this supposed evidence – and try to do slightly better than the photos you directed me to in the other thread. — Midjis ~~ ama semper quisquis noces

Blow me.

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The sheer volume of web articles devoted to the idea that there is ‘conclusive physical evidence’ of anything of the sort is absolutely staggering.  Particularly since there is no such evidence. Patently false. Yes, it is easy to say that, is it not?  But I would be interested to see you provide some of this supposed evidence – and try to do slightly better than the photos you directed me to in the other thread.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/sweetdeal_title.jpg This one doesn’t NECCESARILY prove anything, other than that a KC-767 prototype did in fact exist, but it’s very telling nevertheless. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Midjis ~~ ama semper quisquis noces

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Jeff,   Just so I have the details correctly: 1 dry and 1 wet caddis, in orange. Size can be anything the tyer wishes?                               Tom

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Jeff,   Just so I have the details correctly: 1 dry and 1 wet caddis, in orange. Size can be anything the tyer wishes?                               Tom

okay.  see how agreeable i am… jeff (btw, yer now on the rules committee)

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jeff writes: btw, yer now on the rules committee

man, this place is getting like my workplace! People calling me dumbo and maggot, now the committees!  AARRRGH!                                  Tom now, about that matter of defining "orange"

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Tom writes: now, about that matter of defining "orange"

Yes.  And perhaps a recipe….. Dave

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Dave writes: Yes.  And perhaps a recipe…..

no, that would take all of the creativity out of it.                          Tom

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Tom writes: Dave writes: Yes.  And perhaps a recipe….. no, that would take all of the creativity out of it.

Aha!  I see….. heh, heh, heh.

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So can i go buy some caddis and spay paint them orange ???Are these going to be distrubited to all entries into the rodeo ? Also bareback or saddle broncs? And i would imagine there will be alot of bull there also.                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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jeff writes: btw, yer now on the rules committee man, this place is getting like my workplace! People calling me dumbo and maggot, now the committees!  AARRRGH!                                  Tom now, about that matter of defining "orange"

If you’re tying Jeffies flies, I think you should be *real* creative.

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Stan writes: If you’re tying Jeffies flies, I think you should be *real* creative.

well, shoot! Within a minute or two after scrambling down the bank, they will all be wet flies anyway!                                 Tom p.s. I am tying flies for myownself, thanks!

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Stan writes: If you’re tying Jeffies flies, I think you should be *real* creative.

hmmm… may i suggest a bunch of orange thread and deerhair on a bottle opener? i lose bottle openers some kinda bad. p.s. I am tying flies for myownself, thanks!

kinda kills the swap idea then don’t it? jeff

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Jeff writes: p.s. I am tying flies for myownself, thanks! kinda kills the swap idea then don’t it?

sorry if you misunderstood, I just wasn’t tying "proxy" flies for others. However, can someone clear up this confusion? Are we having a swap or also a one-fly angling contest at Blue Rock Hole? Ignorant little shit which I am, I am starting to get murky on the details.                                  Tom

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Jeff writes: p.s. I am tying flies for myownself, thanks! kinda kills the swap idea then don’t it? sorry if you misunderstood, I just wasn’t tying "proxy" flies for others. However, can someone clear up this confusion? Are we having a swap or also a one-fly angling contest at Blue Rock Hole? Ignorant little shit which I am, I am starting to get murky on the details.                                  Tom

sorry about the murky details – it’s residue from the anticlave thing. anyway, yer the rules committee, so issue a ruling.  i thought we were tying, swapping, and then fishing the swaps (orange caddis only) at the axelrad rodeo at the blue rock hole. jeff

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jeff clarifies: orry about the murky details – it’s residue from the anticlave thing. anyway, yer the rules committee, so issue a ruling.  i thought we were tying, swapping, and then fishing the swaps (orange caddis only) at the axelrad rodeo at the blue rock hole.

Wow, is this stuff complicated!  I mean, I invited you damned confeder….er, I mean Southerners up here, and now we have this convoluted mess!  Good Lord!  I say we tie them, swap them and then all go and get drunk after we drop them in the woods someplace whilst trying to sort them into boxes. Pretty much what is going to happen anyway, I figure. Alright, I will go along with your version, but don’t say I didn’t warn you, this is going to get Ugly. Good of you to take care of those tshirts for me.                                     Tom

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Hearing about this rodeo, I couldn’t resist… Two cowboys are out on the range talking about their favorite sex positions. One says, "I think I enjoy the rodeo position the best." "I don’t think I have ever heard of that one," says the other cowboy. "What is it?" "Well, it’s where you get your wife down on all fours and you mount her from behind. Then you reach around and cup each one  of her  breasts in your hands and whisper in her ear, ‘Boy, these feel just like your sister’s.’ Then you try and hold on for 8 seconds." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well alrighty then… here it is.  Participants must tie one dry and one wet/nymph.  Only those attending the Penns clave can join the swap, but, you can have a surrogate (only one) tie your flies for you to be sent to me (only way wayno and pj could participate).  So, sign up, name your seconds (the one whats gonna tie your flies) and send them to me. I’ll send my snail mail address to those participating. Now, before anybody else makes the solicitation, I need a surrogate to tie my flies – with full attribution to you, of course!  Wolfgang, Mike Connor, rw, willi (if you aren’t attending), warren (if you aren’t attending), daytripper, petah c, somebody…i know one of you guys (or girls?) will be happy to help me out <G. Those who sign up and who attend the Penns clave automatically will be entered as participants in the 1st Annual Axelrad Memorial Bizarre Fly Rodeo at the Blue Rock Hole.  You will be allowed to use only orange caddis – dry and/or wet/nymph – for the duration of the rodeo at the Blue Rock Hole.  Further details will be announced by the Board of Directors, once we figure out who the hell they are gonna be. jeff

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(SPLORK VANG MU!) I’ll try to remember that one Jeff.  Good one. bruce h

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Well alrighty then… here it is.  Participants must tie one dry and one wet/nymph.  Only those attending the Penns clave can join the swap, but, you can have a surrogate (only one) tie your flies for you to be sent to me (only way wayno and pj could participate).  So, sign up, name your seconds (the one whats gonna tie your flies) and send them to me. I’ll send my snail mail address to those participating. Now, before anybody else makes the solicitation, I need a surrogate to tie my flies – with full attribution to you, of course!  Wolfgang, Mike Connor, rw, willi (if you aren’t attending), warren (if you aren’t attending), daytripper, petah c, somebody…i know one of you guys (or girls?) will be happy to help me out <G. Those who sign up and who attend the Penns clave automatically will be entered as participants in the 1st Annual Axelrad Memorial Bizarre Fly Rodeo at the Blue Rock Hole.  You will be allowed to use only orange caddis – dry and/or wet/nymph – for the duration of the rodeo at the Blue Rock Hole.  Further details will be announced by the Board of Directors, once we figure out who the hell they are gonna be. jeff

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Is it possible to buy a rod (non custom) without a reel seat. Advantages are: position reel for balance, lightness, simplicity, ease of manufacture…etc. I doubt if the major manufacturers make such a rod….since there would be no mass appeal for such a rod. Al At first, fishing  was just a hobby,              then it became an obsession….and a reel life.

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It’s callled a Tennessee handle, and most major manufacturers make such rods. Any custom builder will also gladly make you a Tennessee handle. I can’t recall the last spinning rod I owned that had a reel seat on it. When I build my own (haven’t done it lately, but used to build all my own rods) I never even put the stupid little metal rings that mfgs put on TN handles. I’m going to tape it on anyway, so why have them underneath the tape? RichZ

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Yes Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone tell me, if Sage-rods are really the best ones.

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Hi, Tom. I have 3 Sage rods, a 590-3SP, a 389-LL, and a DS590-4 for a backup. They all cast differently.  And they’re each suited to my needs. Sage service has been excellent, $20 for each of my problems. (I’ve had 4 through the years). The costs for new rods are not small, but you do get what you pay for. A good place to look for used or discounted Sages is www.flyshop.com Go to the auction.   Tight lines. Dick Weinkle

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Yes Dave

wow, someone from bainbridge who thinks sage rods are the best <G btw, i like them too. chris

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after working in a fly shop for quite some time while, i have found that most beginners prefer slower action rods…theyre a little more forgiving… I think that’s true, but it can be unfortunate. A beginner’s rod to some degree teaches the beginner to cast. He’ll adjust his technique to the rod. There’s a place for both fast-action and slow-action rods. You should learn how to cast both kinds.

I must say that for fly fishing on difficult chalk streams, I, too, like a slow action. I think delicacy is more important than distance3, or even accuracy. My Sage LL 3-89 is my favourite rod for difficult trout. But I agree that lots of different people make good rods, and I think that when you’re starting, you should take a cheaper rod, and then decide what you like. I’ve just persuaded two starter fly fishers to buy Hardy 9 foot classics, 5/6 or 6/7 weight, which is outdated (and therefore cheap) but one of my favourite rods. I know that a number of other people who like me fish the Itchen and Test use the same rod. Tony

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Can anyone tell me, if Sage-rods are really the best ones. What can you recomend? I whould likt to buy a new rod for dryfly-fishing (trouts in Austria). An advice for a good reel whould be helpful as well. Thanks Tom http://www.resi.at/tom-online Before you buy.

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Can anyone tell me, if Sage-rods are really the best ones. What can you recomend? I whould likt to buy a new rod for dryfly-fishing (trouts in Austria). An advice for a good reel whould be helpful as well.

Tom, It is all a matter of opinion.  Personally, I like Sage rods.  I really like the lifetime warranty and the product, but that is just me.  There are several good rods out on the market, but it is important to find the one that best suits YOU.  Don’t get a rod just because people tell you it is the best.  Cast and compare and find the one that suits your casting style and actually works for you.  Unless of course you are merely modeling your gear. — Warren Findley Member of the Clavemeister Club Before you buy.

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Can anyone tell me, if Sage-rods are really the best ones. What can you recomend? I whould likt to buy a new rod for dryfly-fishing (trouts in Austria). An advice for a good reel whould be helpful as well. Thanks Tom

Tom, That’s a very hard question to answer. It’s very difficult to say that one manufacturer’s rods are ‘the best’. There are a number of good rods around: Sage, Scott, Loomis, St. Croix, Redington, Powell, Orvis, & others. In addition, there are differences in action within a particular maker’s rods. For example, a Sage SP isn’t going to cast like an XP, which is different from an RPL+. A lot depends on your casting style, what kind of action feels good to you, and especially the conditions under which you’ll be fishing. Are the rivers large, the fish big, and will you be casting big flies ? Or are the rivers small, 10m – 15m or less, and the flies & the fish smaller as well? Unless you have a need to throw a lot of line or constantly must content with a lot of wind, a really fast action rod probably isn’t necessary. A Sage SP or a G-series Scott or similar might be just the ticket. But not if you don’t like the action. See what I mean? It’s very subjective. You really need to try as many different rods as you can to see what you like that’s within the price range you have in mind. I don’t know if you have access to St.Croix rods, but they seem to be a lot of rod for the money. I know I asked more questions than I answered, but I hope this helps some. Regards, Bob Before you buy.

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Since you’re in Europe, you might find a Vivarelli reel more easy to locate there.  Ask Mike Conner about them, they’re neat. Sage, like most companies, makes several rod actions.  I would say that there’s a best action (for you) before I would say there’s a best rod brand.  Some prefer a bit faster for fishing dries specifically, as far as purely casting goes. Jeff (looking for a used Sage VPS 9′ 5 wt myself) Can anyone tell me, if Sage-rods are really the best ones. What can you recomend? I whould likt to buy a new rod for dryfly-fishing (trouts in Austria). An advice for a good reel whould be helpful as well.

Before you buy.

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after working in a fly shop for quite some time while, i have found that most beginners prefer slower action rods…theyre a little more forgiving…dont forget, as well, to think about what youre gonna be using your rod for…and if youre not sure how that works, ask the shop pro, he/she can tell ya…and if the shop you go to doesnt ask you if you want to cast rods to try them out…id try another shop… my 2cents, roy

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after working in a fly shop for quite some time while, i have found that most beginners prefer slower action rods…theyre a little more forgiving…

I think that’s true, but it can be unfortunate. A beginner’s rod to some degree teaches the beginner to cast. He’ll adjust his technique to the rod. There’s a place for both fast-action and slow-action rods. You should learn how to cast both kinds. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Oh, use them, most likely, or as he did, let friends use them when they visit. Sorry, but they aren’t for sale right now, and a dealer that has been helping sort through all this has "dibs" on anything we do sell.  He has suggested that the collection would make the basis of a book, and until we get all this sorted out, we are keeping it all together (well, at least not selling anything). R

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How come you have some in the packaging?   . . .john My Grandfather kept them around for others to use, gifts, etc.  I don’t know how many total, as I’m still gathering, but I’ve got a half-dozen here.  There were a few "used" that I’ve played with, and they actually seem to be decent rods.  A pretty well-known dealer said he, and some of his customers, think so as well, if that means anything. TC, R They don’t have weights (at least marked on rod, packing, label, anywhere), just lengths, but they are "Professional" "Kwik Taper" if that tells you anything. TC, R

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They don’t have weights (at least marked on rod, packing, label, anywhere), just lengths, but they are "Professional" "Kwik Taper" if that tells you anything. TC, R

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How come you have some in the packaging?   . . .john

My Grandfather kept them around for others to use, gifts, etc.  I don’t know how many total, as I’m still gathering, but I’ve got a half-dozen here.  There were a few "used" that I’ve played with, and they actually seem to be decent rods.  A pretty well-known dealer said he, and some of his customers, think so as well, if that means anything. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They don’t have weights (at least marked on rod, packing, label, anywhere), just lengths, but they are "Professional" "Kwik Taper" if that tells you anything. TC, R

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How come you have some in the packaging?   . . .john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They don’t have weights (at least marked on rod, packing, label, anywhere), just lengths, but they are "Professional" "Kwik Taper" if that tells you anything. TC, R

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Amen. Paul from Peterborough, NH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The idea is to figure out where Mr. Fish is hiding and what he wants to eat, not to look better than the other guy on the stream. (And if you still want to raise high the Orvis flag, well, you’re probably old enough to decide these things for yourself.) Absolutely true!  I own rods ranging from a $40.00 Cortland I keep in my car all the time, to an Orvis Battenkill cane rod. Over the years I have come to the conclusion that, as far as catching fish is concerned, next to the reel, the rod is the least important item I carry. True, a rod that suits your casting style is a lot more pleasant to use, but such a rod need not be prohibitively expensive. My $40.00 Cortland 8′ /5wt will do 90% of what my similar Sage will do at 1/10 the price, and because it is with me all the time, It probably outfishes the Sage aver the course of the season. The most important thing a fly fisherman takes to the stream with him is the stuff that resides between his ears. Common sense, knowledge of the quarry, and proper presentation are the things that catch fish. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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It’s the rod that works well for whatever you happen to be trying to do that afternoon.

It’s my 9′ 5wt sage RP…..love at first cast Flyfish

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The idea is to figure out where Mr. Fish is hiding and what he wants to eat, not to look better than the other guy on the stream. (And if you still want to raise high the Orvis flag, well, you’re probably old enough to decide these things for yourself.) Absolutely true!  I own rods ranging from a $40.00 Cortland I keep in my car all the time, to an Orvis Battenkill cane rod. Over the years I have come to the conclusion that, as far as catching fish is concerned, next to the reel, the rod is the least important item I carry. True, a rod that suits your casting style is a lot more pleasant to use, but such a rod need not be prohibitively expensive. My $40.00 Cortland 8′ /5wt will do 90% of what my similar Sage will do at 1/10 the price, and because it is with me all the time, It probably outfishes the Sage aver the course of the season. The most important thing a fly fisherman takes to the stream with him is the stuff that resides between his ears. Common sense, knowledge of the quarry, and proper presentation are the things that catch fish. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33" I agree, I have an old shakespeare wonderrod that I like to fish with the best. I guess it’s just what I am comfortable with is all. -Dave Funny, that is the very same brand and model my Grandfather carried on "non-fishing" trips where damage was possible, recommended to those getting started fly-fishing (as opposed to new Tournament casters)and gave out to rodless visiting fishermen.  I still have a few new in the packaging he never gave out.  I have used a couple of those in the racks, and you’re right, they’re actually pretty decent rods. TC, R

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The idea is to figure out where Mr. Fish is hiding and what he wants to eat, not to look better than the other guy on the stream. (And if you still want to raise high the Orvis flag, well, you’re probably old enough to decide these things for yourself.) Absolutely true!  I own rods ranging from a $40.00 Cortland I keep in my car all the time, to an Orvis Battenkill cane rod. Over the years I have come to the conclusion that, as far as catching fish is concerned, next to the reel, the rod is the least important item I carry. True, a rod that suits your casting style is a lot more pleasant to use, but such a rod need not be prohibitively expensive. My $40.00 Cortland 8′ /5wt will do 90% of what my similar Sage will do at 1/10 the price, and because it is with me all the time, It probably outfishes the Sage aver the course of the season. The most important thing a fly fisherman takes to the stream with him is the stuff that resides between his ears. Common sense, knowledge of the quarry, and proper presentation are the things that catch fish. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33" I agree, I have an old shakespeare wonderrod that I like to fish with the best. I guess it’s just what I am comfortable with is all. -Dave

Funny, that is the very same brand and model my Grandfather carried on "non-fishing" trips where damage was possible, recommended to those getting started fly-fishing (as opposed to new Tournament casters)and gave out to rodless visiting fishermen.  I still have a few new in the packaging he never gave out.  I have used a couple of those in the racks, and you’re right, they’re actually pretty decent rods. TC, R

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The idea is to figure out where Mr. Fish is hiding and what he wants to eat, not to look better than the other guy on the stream. (And if you still want to raise high the Orvis flag, well, you’re probably old enough to decide these things for yourself.) Absolutely true!  I own rods ranging from a $40.00 Cortland I keep in my car all the time, to an Orvis Battenkill cane rod. Over the years I have come to the conclusion that, as far as catching fish is concerned, next to the reel, the rod is the least important item I carry. True, a rod that suits your casting style is a lot more pleasant to use, but such a rod need not be prohibitively expensive. My $40.00 Cortland 8′ /5wt will do 90% of what my similar Sage will do at 1/10 the price, and because it is with me all the time, It probably outfishes the Sage aver the course of the season. The most important thing a fly fisherman takes to the stream with him is the stuff that resides between his ears. Common sense, knowledge of the quarry, and proper presentation are the things that catch fish. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

I agree, I have an old shakespeare wonderrod that I like to fish with the best. I guess it’s just what I am comfortable with is all. -Dave

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The idea is to figure out where Mr. Fish is hiding and what he wants to eat, not to look better than the other guy on the stream. (And if you still want to raise high the Orvis flag, well, you’re probably old enough to decide these things for yourself.)

Absolutely true!  I own rods ranging from a $40.00 Cortland I keep in my car all the time, to an Orvis Battenkill cane rod. Over the years I have come to the conclusion that, as far as catching fish is concerned, next to the reel, the rod is the least important item I carry. True, a rod that suits your casting style is a lot more pleasant to use, but such a rod need not be prohibitively expensive. My $40.00 Cortland 8′ /5wt will do 90% of what my similar Sage will do at 1/10 the price, and because it is with me all the time, It probably outfishes the Sage aver the course of the season. The most important thing a fly fisherman takes to the stream with him is the stuff that resides between his ears. Common sense, knowledge of the quarry, and proper presentation are the things that catch fish. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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It’s the rod that works well for whatever you happen to be trying to do that afternoon. Lately, I’ve come to find an 8′ 5-weight, relatively slow for graphite, to be perfect. For a very slow grass stick in the same dimensions, I could be persuaded. I wouldn’t use it for bassing, though…hard to throw a huge streamer or popper into the wind with it and in my experience bass can put a lot more strain on, even if the fight may be a little shorter. Yeah, folks, let’s obsess here. Catching little ones in small streams in the suburbs is dirty work, but someone’s gotta do it. It’s almost as dirty as catching blue catfish, or lake trout, or whitefish…The fish will bite if you cast to them with a Pflueger that was on close-out at Bass Pro Shops. They don’t bite harder on bamboo than they do on glass or graphite. The idea is to figure out where Mr. Fish is hiding and what he wants to eat, not to look better than the other guy on the stream. (And if you still want to raise high the Orvis flag, well, you’re probably old enough to decide these things for yourself.) "My father said to be strong, ‘that a good man could  never do wrong’ in a dream I had last night in America"                             -Los Lobos

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Here I am, enjoying the hospitality of the venerable Louie LaPlac.   As much as I have enjoyed the company of the legendary Joanne and Louie, the Orvis thing is true.  Here I sit surrounded by Orvis paraphenalia.  An Orvis lamp, Orvis garbage can – - – Orvis parachutes!!!   Even Orvis socks.   I can’t take this much longer.  T-Bone help.  Drive up here in your Orvis Jeep and save me. Peter Charles Dave LaCourse

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(snipperooooooo) << I can’t take this much longer.  T-Bone help.  Drive up here in your Orvis Jeep and save me. and is "mellow".  Don’t believe him.  Great guy, Peter.  Great wife, Delightfully Drunk Dave

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wayno I’ve just had a wondeful dinner in the company of the legendary Joanne  . . . oh, and Dave too. have a nice day, Peter

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fellers…11:47 pm and you’ve just had a wonderful dinner??  i sense that a case of sleemans must have been the appetizer, eh? BTW, peter, you’ll be happy to know that your old one weight was deftly handled by forty in the blue ridge and bent frequently in a nice arc with a feisty carolina brookie on the fly…though he alleged the rod assisted him in the catch, i know (and he later admitted) it was actually the hat he acquired at Faye’s Store in Linville.  are you guys coming to forty’s fall ball in the smokies? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wayno I’ve just had a wondeful dinner in the company of the legendary Joanne  . . . oh, and Dave too. have a nice day, Peter

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fellers…11:47 pm and you’ve just had a wonderful dinner??  i sense that a case of sleemans must have been the appetizer, eh?

jeff, can you believe these guys? a pair of profligitic reprobates if there ever was. here we are down here in NC, ever without the opportunity to indulge and fish….and these rusty recreants have to rub our noses in it. a pox on ‘em i say. oh well, i couldn’t get away to gatlinburg for the fff clave…. i’ll just have to be content explorin’ b****** crik later today with that no-good scuppernonger, mccray. ski ya, waldo — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Oh, we don’t feel good this morning.  After much oj and good coffee, we are off to see some of the places where we Yankees kicked the mush out of King George’s fellows.  Of course Peter will approach these places with tight jaws, but what the hey. Dave I think I’ve found a new calling in life, giving history lessons to these damn Yankees. Peter

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Weel, once upon a time my friends and I were headed up to Great Lakes steelhead fishery one fall on our first ever steelhead trip. Not really knowing much about it,  suggested we stop at a shop and get the skinny so to speak.  Being new to the sport and having  a fly fishing type magazine in my possession I looked in the directory and found an Orvis shop which we DETOURED to stop at. Bearded, beered and heavily smoked we stopped in to get the latest.  About the best we could do was have one of the clerks, not yet of shaving age, offer to take our….ahem…group, fishing at the price of a hundred dollars a day per man for a half day. To which I studiously replied that I just wanted some recommendations on what flies to use.  Evidently afraid that we might accidentally brush up against some of the finer clothing hanging on the racks we were…rather unceremoniously I thought, given the brush off. However, this perturbed not my good friend Chuck who marched right up to the young feller and said, "Ah the hell with it. Just gimme a dozen night crawlers." I laugh to this day…….john

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Here I am, enjoying the hospitality of the venerable Louie LaPlac.   As much as I have enjoyed the company of the legendary Joanne and Louie, the Orvis thing is true.  Here I sit surrounded by Orvis paraphenalia.  An Orvis lamp, Orvis garbage can – - – Orvis parachutes!!!   Even Orvis socks.   I can’t take this much longer.  T-Bone help.  Drive up here in your Orvis Jeep and save me.

I would but I might be going to the Frying Pan in the AM and I’m going to need all my strength up there….I’m afraid you’re on your own.   (A hint though…unravel one of the orvis socks when LaCourse hits the Orvis pillow….and tie up a few Bromodrosis Caddis) Your pal, — TimW

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..and tie up a few Bromodrosis Caddis) Yep, had you pegged as a Zappa fan years ago! brent

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wayno I’ve just had a wondeful dinner in the company of the legendary Joanne  . . . oh, and Dave too. have a nice day, Peter

        the hem of her garment…the hem of her garment… i weep. wayno

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wayno I’ve just had a wondeful dinner in the company of the legendary Joanne  . . . oh, and Dave too. have a nice day, Peter the hem of her garment…the hem of her garment… i weep. wayno

Try amadou, soaks up the tears much better ! TL MC

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[deleted] Bearded, beered and heavily smoked we stopped in to get the latest.

[deleted] Alder or Hickory ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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[deleted] Bearded, beered and heavily smoked we stopped in to get the latest. [deleted] Alder or Hickory ?

I was thinking he meant a bit farther south.  :-~7 Joe F.

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      the hem of her garment…the hem of her garment… i weep. wayno

Such profound depth of feeling! Bill the sympathetic. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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wayno Such profound depth of feeling! Bill the sympathetic. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

        hell, if you could see the picture, you’d know the fount of the feeling.  :) wayno

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      hell, if you could see the picture, you’d know the fount of the feeling.  :)

I’ll take your word for it, Wayne:-) Bill the trusting. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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Bill, please come to the ‘clave and meet her.  I know a year’s lead time is a bit much, but there is a spot reserved for you and our other European ROFFers.  ( I know, I know, the United Kingdom is NOT part of Europe.  <g) Dave L.

        and wales is definitely *not* the u.k.  twyll dyn pob sais!         wayno

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wayno and Bill wax poetically: <<wayno Such profound depth of feeling! Bill the sympathetic. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

        hell, if you could see the picture, you’d know the fount of the feeling.  :) Bill, please come to the ‘clave and meet her.  I know a year’s lead time is a bit much, but there is a spot reserved for you and our other European ROFFers.  ( I know, I know, the United Kingdom is NOT part of Europe.  <g) Dave L.

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Bill, please come to the ‘clave and meet her.  I know a year’s lead time is a bit much, but there is a spot reserved for you and our other European ROFFers.  ( I know, I know, the United Kingdom is NOT part of Europe.  <g) Dave L.       and wales is definitely *not* the u.k.  twyll dyn pob sais!       wayno

Brilliant – right on! — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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      and wales is definitely *not* the u.k.  twyll dyn pob sais! Brilliant – right on!

Bill,  Do you think our attentive N American friends will have noticed that Wales stuffed USA (53 pts to 24) at Rugby the other day..?  And Canada 33 pts to 19 the week before?  :-) "What’s Rugby?" they’ll probably say…  :-( — Phil Jones

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"What’s Rugby?" they’ll probably say…  :-(

Rugby is a sport designed by ruffians and played by gentlemen. Football (soccer) is a sport designed by gentlemen and played by ruffians. We have excellent club Rugby here at the UI. Most of the team is quite rugged and quite happily gay. — Ken Fortenberry

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What’s Rugby?" they’ll probably say…  :-

A great game I used to play a hundred pounds and twenty years ago. Down in NW Florida, my team stunk as did I but the four years I played the game were the years I were in the best physical condition of my life and got quite a few dates afterwards with the lovely southern belles who came to watch us. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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Phil Jones writes:

<<"What’s Rugby?" they’ll probably say…  :-( Rugby?  Isn’t that a shirt company.  You, know, Rugby Shirts.  <g I played it, not too successfully, in the Azores, Portugal back in the early 60’s.  Miserably  rough game introduced to us by a couple of Brit airmen.  After one of the Americans lost a tooth in one of the games, the dental officer insisted we all get fitted with mouth pieces.  That made the Brits *real* happy!  <g Dave LaCourse

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"What’s Rugby?" they’ll probably say…  :-(

Tried it in Miami Fl. back in 1971, all 124 lbs. of me.  It was neither the first nor the last time that I involved myself in something I was not equipped for.  I’d like to say it taught me a valuable lesson, but I think not.  Ah well, they say wisdom comes with age.  I am furiously collecting as much age as I can in the hope that I will become a wise man.  Not much luck so far.

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"What’s Rugby?" they’ll probably say…  :-(

Isn’t Rugby that cheap copy of NFL football that they started in Canada?  The one where they all start off with a big group hug and the funky goal posts and rules? Warren

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Sir, Go to my web page and click on Resources.  Once there click on Champ Charters and email Captain Paul.  He is a great guy and an awesome togue and salmon fisherman.  He will certainly be able to help you.  Good luck. James Ehlers Underhill, Vermont And yes lakers are very deep in August…downriggers are a must. Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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every year i go to the northern maine woods to camp and fish. it has been three years and going again the first week in august. i have never even gotten a bite. i am from mas. and solely fish for bass which ifeel i am very good at. so im new to the lake fishing theres also salmon in maine lakes. i would appreciate any help or info on methods,time,weather on cathching them. this will be the first year that i will be using a downrigger in hopes it will work. not sure the proper depth but heard that

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I plan to be in Thunder Bay, Ont. in mid-July. Does anyone have suggestions for places to fly fish for trout or smallmouths?

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I am often up in T-Bay on business and I am looking for good spots too, so if anyone has any ideas? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I plan to be in Thunder Bay, Ont. in mid-July. Does anyone have suggestions for places to fly fish for trout or smallmouths?

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Try this Bill A.

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This newsgrp is too big and diverse for me.  Is there a fly-fishing or fly-tying only newsgroup that one can subscribe to?  I’m in Oregon, and I can’t believe there aren’t enough folks out there to have a newsgroup!

Yes, there is a flyfishing group.  It’s called rec.outdoors.fishing.fly. However, it has even more traffic then rec.outdoors.fishing.  I recently put in a Call For Discussion for rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying to try and separate some of the tying discussion out of the main group.  There hasn’t been much discussion at all.  The Call For Votes should be coming up soon.  r.o.f.f. is a good group.  There are a lot of regulars that have been reading the group and a few accomplished flyfishers including Ralph and Lisa Cutter that contribute regularly.  The Cutters run the top rated flyfishing school in the country (US). — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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This newsgrp is too big and diverse for me.  Is there a fly-fishing or fly-tying only newsgroup that one can subscribe to?  I’m in Oregon, and I can’t believe there aren’t enough folks out there to have a newsgroup!

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 Hello, I was wondering if anybody has heard of this before. I fish a small  pond near my house on occasion and when I’m not using my fly rod I fish  with lures on my ultra light spinning rod. The pond has largemouths, bluegill  and Catfish. On three seperate trips I have caught nice sized (~2-3 lbs)  catfish with spinnerbait lures. Now I’m not an expert on catfish but has  anybody heard of catching them on lures? If you can catch catfish on lures  is there any particular type, size or colors that would work the best?   Now I’m just trying to figure out how to get them to rise for a dry fly.                           Brian Hadley

        I’m the onw who’s smewhat responible for all this catfish talk, and through my queries have heard of similar instances.  An article that lies at my feet says that when they spawn, they are best on crankbaits and spinnerbai et etc.  Interesting. —      |  Travis L. Clements |    And we all like the bit when you take      |  N. Logan, Utah     |    The jeans from the refridgerator and  

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writes: Hello, I was wondering if anybody has heard of this before. I fish a small pond near my house on occasion and when I’m not using my fly rod I fish with lures on my ultra light spinning rod. The pond has largemouths, bluegill and Catfish. On three seperate trips I have caught nice sized (~2-3 lbs) catfish with spinnerbait lures. Now I’m not an expert on catfish but has anybody heard of catching them on lures? If you can catch catfish on lures is there any particular type, size or colors that would work the best?  Now I’m just trying to figure out how to get them to rise for a dry fly.

I’ve caught channel cats on 4-5 inch jointed floating Rapalas on the Allegheny River here in PA. I’ve even seen them rising for large white mayflies during a hatch. I wasn’t able to catch them with a fly, only a white Mr. Twister. Jason

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|  and Catfish. On three seperate trips I have caught nice sized (~2-3 lbs) |  catfish with spinnerbait lures. Now I’m not an expert on catfish but has |  anybody heard of catching them on lures? If you can catch catfish on lures |  is there any particular type, size or colors that would work the best? From time to time I have caught cats on a lure.  They have hit mostly, but not exclusively, crankbait type lures fished along the bottom. The thing this most resembles is a crawfish, i.e., the action of crawling along the bottom stiring up the mud.  The color/pattern didn’t seem to matter-although I prefer shad color crankbaits first and crawfish color second.  I have also caught them on plastic worms when bassin’. Tight Lines, Mark O’Shea — In the absence of common sense we will not accept responsibility for any acts of complete or even partial stupidity.

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|   |  Hello, I was wondering if anybody has heard of this before. I fish a small |  pond near my house on occasion and when I’m not using my fly rod I fish |  with lures on my ultra light spinning rod. The pond has largemouths, bluegill |  and Catfish. On three seperate trips I have caught nice sized (~2-3 lbs) |  catfish with spinnerbait lures. Now I’m not an expert on catfish but has |  anybody heard of catching them on lures? If you can catch catfish on lures |  is there any particular type, size or colors that would work the best? |   Now I’m just trying to figure out how to get them to rise for a dry fly. My father, brothers, and I catch lots of catfish with fly rods in the brackish tidal creeks that flow into the coastal rivers of Virginia. We fly cast small jigs and small spinners, and fish them on the bottom (which isn’t usually much more than 6 feet down).  This is very effective for all kinds of species — bream, largemouth, yellow perch, stiffback perch, crappie, and catfish.  You even occasionally hook into something a bit more exotic.   My brother once caught a carp that we estimate was well over 30 lbs.  My brother is about 6′ tall and when he held it up vertically, the tail was touching the ground while the nose was up at his chest.  He could barely stuff it under the front canoe seat after he landed it.  He gave it to a family from Cambodia, who must have feasted on it for days.  We occasionally catch carp in the 15 – 25 lb range.  It’s not all that exciting since it takes forever to land them and you usually assume that you’ve hung bottom until it slowly starts to lumber off.  On a light fly rod a big carp probably doesn’t even realize it’s hooked, so it fights like a log.  I guess we could just break the line, but that is just totally anithetical to an angler’s natural instincts. The catfish seem to hit best when it’s hot.  In the spring and fall we get more bream, largemouth, and perch.  But when it gets good and hot, the catfish take over and become the majority of the catch.  It amazes me how in the middle of a sweltering, humid, windless day, when you would expect all the fish in the creek to be hiding in the deepest hole that they can find, that the catfish are having a feeding frenzy in the shallows. We seem to have the best luck fishing from when the tide is about half out down to low tide and then maybe for the first hour of the incoming tide. These creeks have large, shallow weed beds and marshy areas that are exposed at low tide.  As the tide falls, baitfish have to get out of the shallows and into the main channel or get beached.  This is when the catfish (as well as other species) like to stack up next to any little channel that flows out of the marsh and watch the day’s buffet swim by. — University of Virginia Academic Computing Center

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 Hello, I was wondering if anybody has heard of this before. I fish a small  pond near my house on occasion and when I’m not using my fly rod I fish  with lures on my ultra light spinning rod. The pond has largemouths, bluegill  and Catfish. On three seperate trips I have caught nice sized (~2-3 lbs)  catfish with spinnerbait lures. Now I’m not an expert on catfish but has  anybody heard of catching them on lures? If you can catch catfish on lures  is there any particular type, size or colors that would work the best?   Now I’m just trying to figure out how to get them to rise for a dry fly.                           Brian Hadley

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Hello, I was wondering if anybody has heard of this before. I fish a small pond near my house on occasion and when I’m not using my fly rod I fish with lures on my ultra light spinning rod. The pond has largemouths, bluegill and Catfish. On three seperate trips I have caught nice sized (~2-3 lbs) catfish with spinnerbait lures. Now I’m not an expert on catfish but has anybody heard of catching them on lures? If you can catch catfish on lures is there any particular type, size or colors that would work the best?  Now I’m just trying to figure out how to get them to rise for a dry fly.                          Brian Hadley

On the Potomac we used to catch catfish on lures all the time, so much so that we used to fish for them specifically with lures. They seem to like the white Mr. Twister jigs we used for Stripers, and also Lime Green Mr. Twisters we used for Largemouth.  We caught plenty on Mepps spinners as well.  I even caught a Bullhead on a tiny torpedo (!)                         Mark — <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Harris Space Systems      ::            Melbourne, FL

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: Hello, I was wondering if anybody has heard of this before. I fish a small : pond near my house on occasion and when I’m not using my fly rod I fish : with lures on my ultra light spinning rod. The pond has largemouths, bluegill : and Catfish. On three seperate trips I have caught nice sized (~2-3 lbs) : catfish with spinnerbait lures. Now I’m not an expert on catfish but has : anybody heard of catching them on lures? If you can catch catfish on lures : is there any particular type, size or colors that would work the best? :  Now I’m just trying to figure out how to get them to rise for a dry fly. Caught two on lures last year; both had been sprayed with Garlic Oil(TM). The first was around a 1 1/2 pounder on a purple plastic worm in early April in the back end of a cove on Lake Lanier near Atlanta. The second one was around 2 1/2 to 3 pounds on a "chirstmas tree pattern" Hal Fly on a small lake at Stone Mountain Park.  I was very surpised. I was trolling for crappie at least 2 weeks after they had come off the beds and was only catching "hand-sized" ones (as opposed to some of the slabs that I have caught in the weeks preceeding them going on the beds). I happened to have my small landing net with me, and was rather unhappy that I hadn’t caught the "slab of my dreams" . As for catching catfish on flys… As a boy growing up, my father and I would be able to fish 1-2 times a year with my grandfather in Florida on Lake Talquin(sp).  The lake had (may still have) a large population of blind mosquitoes that were active at night.  We would fish around the full moon with size 8-10 popping bugs for bluegills.  We would catch some "smallish" bass on some trips.  On one trip my father hooked what he taught was a "very" large bass, and after spending approx. 30 minutes getting the fish to the boat the first noise he heard as the fish was being netted was a catfish "croaking".  Weighed the fish the next morning at over 8 pounds. I wonder to this day if that fish was 1) actually trying to eat the popper, 2) chasing a bulegill and got hooked some how, or 3) god just put the thing on the end of that line. — Mike Marler                        | Rich Building, Room 242, Georgia Tech

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