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Know nothing about fly fishing. Was in Colorado River County park Parker, AZ couple weeks ago. They have a pond next to the river and separated by net. A lady sitting there keep throwing hook(?) out and keep getting trout(?) up. The waiting time is like couple minutes. It must be the place to build your confidence. My wife had a chat with her. She is from Washington State and been there for 3 months now.

Wonder if it is the same lady that was hauling in nice catfish last year using hot dogs for bait? LZ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – =

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 VC is 20 minutes down the road.  I could certianly take you on a tour if your in the area and show you some stuff that is not on the brochures.

Been to Virginia City and loved it!  Will let you know next time. Hunter

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Know nothing about fly fishing. Was in Colorado River County park Parker, AZ couple weeks ago. They have a pond next to the river and separated by net. A lady sitting there keep throwing hook(?) out and keep getting trout(?) up. The waiting time is like couple minutes. It must be the place to build your confidence. My wife had a chat with her. She is from Washington State and been there for 3 months now. =OK.  I got a new RV so I could get on the road and not worry about the oil =leaks and dry rot on the older 76 rig.  I love that old rig, but would not =take it more than 100 miles from home (my safety zone).  Now I’m free.  I =added a 2000/4000 watt inverter and solar panels so I could boondock and not =have to listen to the generator and I carry two 50 gallon drums of fresh =dinking water in a trailer in addition to the water in the MH tank.  So I =can boondock, but don’t have to. = =I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to =walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV =but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a =few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday =present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my =own creations. = =So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week =vacation.  I’d like to go somewhere around end of March or beginning of =April.  And a bonus would be an opportunity to spank a turkey, but if going =to Canada would probably opt to leave guns behind. (I know I can take a =shotgun, but don’t want to).  So…if you were based in Reno, where and why =would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences. = =I’m getting so excited about this I can’t focus at work. = =Thanks for any suggestions. = =Nate = — E-Mail: Cool Underscore Underscore Hand at Hotmail DOT KOM FAX: 775-243-6288 One of the BEST Free GPS Mapping Program Garmap http://www.catnet.ne.jp/fukuda/garmap/e_garmap.html Since people makes mistakes, how can we trust any interpretation of anything?

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I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations.

You’re asking the wrong newsgroup. Take this question to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly for ideas on where to go in your area, there are posters there who live in your vicinity. And also check into rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying for the obvious reason.

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<snip I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations. So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week vacation.  I’d like to go somewhere around end of March or beginning of April.  And a bonus would be an opportunity to spank a turkey, but if going to Canada would probably opt to leave guns behind. (I know I can take a shotgun, but don’t want to).  So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences.

<snip Have you been to the Hat Creek area in No. California?  It’s world famous for it’s fly fishing – don’t know about turkey season.  There are several Forest Service Campgrounds on Hat Creek that runs along Highway 89 north of Lassen Park.  One that is out of the way and right on the creek is Big Pine, part of the Lassen National Forest campground system.  I believe that it can handle units up to 26′ in length but it might be 24′ and they only have about 20 sites.  There are several others in the area but many are right next to the Highway and not as quiet during the day.  You can look at some of them at their website: http://www.r5.fs.fed.us/lassen/hat_creek.htm.  Weather would still be a bit on the cool side at night but daytime temps should be pleasant and the countryside is hard to beat. Baby Sis

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK.  I got a new RV so I could get on the road and not worry about the oil leaks and dry rot on the older 76 rig.  I love that old rig, but would not take it more than 100 miles from home (my safety zone).  Now I’m free.  I added a 2000/4000 watt inverter and solar panels so I could boondock and not have to listen to the generator and I carry two 50 gallon drums of fresh dinking water in a trailer in addition to the water in the MH tank.  So I can boondock, but don’t have to. I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations. So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week vacation.  I’d like to go somewhere around end of March or beginning of April.  And a bonus would be an opportunity to spank a turkey, but if going to Canada would probably opt to leave guns behind. (I know I can take a shotgun, but don’t want to).  So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences. I’m getting so excited about this I can’t focus at work. Thanks for any suggestions. Nate

I liked the Laughlin area (way far south Nevada, about 100 Miles S of LV), right by the Colorado river, very warm (even in the winter), has a few lakes, lots of RV parks, lots to do, Bull Head City and Kingman AZ across the river, lots of boondocking places not far away, and even a bit further south is Lake Havasu. I liked it so much I went there for vacation for two weeks, and ended up staying 6 months. Laughlin, Nevada – Laughlin Nevada’s Official Web Site. Check out their website at: http://www.enjoylaughlin.com/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK.  I got a new RV so I could get on the road and not worry about the oil leaks and dry rot on the older 76 rig.  I love that old rig, but would not take it more than 100 miles from home (my safety zone).  Now I’m free.  I added a 2000/4000 watt inverter and solar panels so I could boondock and not have to listen to the generator and I carry two 50 gallon drums of fresh dinking water in a trailer in addition to the water in the MH tank.  So I can boondock, but don’t have to. I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations. So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week vacation.  I’d like to go somewhere around end of March or beginning of April.  And a bonus would be an opportunity to spank a turkey, but if going to Canada would probably opt to leave guns behind. (I know I can take a shotgun, but don’t want to).  So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences. I’m getting so excited about this I can’t focus at work. Thanks for any suggestions. Nate

A friend of ours can’t wait to get back to Oregon for the spring salmon fishing on the Umpqua.  I think the season opens on the 23rd of March. Spring turkey hunting would be pretty iffy.  I don’t know of any state that sells non-resident licenses over the counter, except maybe in the south.  Many are by lottery only and you have to apply long in advance. Have fun. LZ

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 So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences.

If I got a new rig I would do a shakedown weekend up the hill in Virginia City. Hunter

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… I carry two 50 gallon drums of fresh dinking water in a trailer in addition to the water in the MH tank.  So I can boondock, but don’t have to.

Hey, Nate. What are you going to do with the "used" water? Maybe you could pump it into a couple of empty 50 gallon drums, carried for the purpose. I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations. So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week vacation.

… Any place in the Great Basin is going to have cold nights. If you don’t mind a bit of snow, in addition to the cold nights, how ’bout the Ruby Mountains, about 10 miles south of Elko? There’s a Nat’l Forest campground there (check to Web). –RW

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 So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences. If I got a new rig I would do a shakedown weekend up the hill in Virginia City. Hunter

I failed to mention that I did 26 shake down trips to various lakes in Northern California and North Western Nevada last summer.  Been there, done that.  VC is 20 minutes down the road.  I could certianly take you on a tour if your in the area and show you some stuff that is not on the brochures. We used to hunt rattle snakes in the area so bring some snake shot!  Yikes! Nate

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OK.  I got a new RV so I could get on the road and not worry about the oil leaks and dry rot on the older 76 rig.  I love that old rig, but would not take it more than 100 miles from home (my safety zone).  Now I’m free.  I added a 2000/4000 watt inverter and solar panels so I could boondock and not have to listen to the generator and I carry two 50 gallon drums of fresh dinking water in a trailer in addition to the water in the MH tank.  So I can boondock, but don’t have to. I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations. So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week vacation.  I’d like to go somewhere around end of March or beginning of April.  And a bonus would be an opportunity to spank a turkey, but if going to Canada would probably opt to leave guns behind. (I know I can take a shotgun, but don’t want to).  So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences. I’m getting so excited about this I can’t focus at work. Thanks for any suggestions. Nate

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<SNIP the eye, put marabou collars on them, and finished with a built-up epoxy head).   The fishhair stood up, but the marabou got creamed. What would be a good recipe for my needs and what would be a good collar substitute?  Thanks, Adam

Go to your local hardware store, have a  look at the synthetic cords.  They come in a whole range of colours, including fluorescents. When shredded and combed out, ( Use a wire brush),these make indestructible wings for flies. Use short bits for the collars. The stuff does not soak up water, and is easy to cast. TL MC

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Going to fly fish for big peacock bass in the Amazon this October.  Problem is that you have to throw flies all day long, using anywhere from an 8 to a 10/11 wt. rod.  Now, the traditional flies are usually at least 6-8" long and damn wind resistant.  So you get the idea about having your arm replaced at the end of each day. Anyway, I’d like to make up a mess of 6" streamers that will have a nice profile, but yet be not too wind resistant.  One suggestion was to pattern them after Deceivers, but without feathers (as the peacocks will rip them up pronto).  I’m not the greatest tyer and I look to make the flies pretty much down and dirty.  These fish are so aggressive that one doesn’t need to be fancy with their tying.  So, I’d like some help with the type of materials to use that will give me the profile and yet be easy to throw.  Also, I would imagine that if one was to make a deceiver sans feathers, once again certain materials would be better than others.  For example, I’ve fish the peacock in Venezuela (fish went up to 17#), and made relatively thin streamers out of fishhair or bozo hair (just tied on several different colors behind the eye, put marabou collars on them, and finished with a built-up epoxy head).   The fishhair stood up, but the marabou got creamed. What would be a good recipe for my needs and what would be a good collar substitute?  Thanks, Adam

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Well if ROFF is rec.outdoors.fishing fly then! Vern

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If anybody is interested I started posting a couple of picts on ABPF If ABPF was something I knew of, then I’ve forgotten what it is. Regards, Jeff

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What is the web address? I have never been able to find them. Big Dale

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What is the web address? I have never been able to find them. Big Dale

Newsgroup:  alt.binaries.pictures.fishing — All fishermen are liars ‘cept you n me, and I’m starting to have doubts about you! www.fishticker.com

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If anybody is interested I started posting a couple of picts on ABPF from the Maine Clave and will do a few every night ( unless someone has a problem with having there pict posted there, let me know). There is a couple of pictures up from yesterday at Salmon River when I meet Joe F. and his freind Craig. Had a great time with them and the fishing was great! Vern

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If anybody is interested I started posting a couple of picts on ABPF from the Maine Clave and will do a few every night ( unless someone has a problem with having there pict posted there, let me know). There is a couple of pictures up from yesterday at Salmon River when I meet Joe F. and his freind Craig. Had a great time with them and the fishing was great! Vern

I have saved most of them for wallpaper!  Great job Vern.  Thanks!! — A question debated and left unanswered is better than a question answered without debate.

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If anybody is interested I started posting a couple of picts on ABPF

If ABPF was something I knew of, then I’ve forgotten what it is. Regards, Jeff

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If anybody is interested I started posting a couple of picts on ABPF If ABPF was something I knew of, then I’ve forgotten what it is.

alt.binaries.pictures.fishing — Charlie…

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Planning on Rock Creek, then to Libby, first week August.  Any info on the better campgrounds for us tent campers appreciated.  I was raised on Rock Creek, long, long ago– before electification.    Also info on guides in Libby for drifting, Also info on cabins, accomodations as well as campgounds  (if it rains us out)   Al Schuh-fly

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I’d check on the water levels at Rock Creek first, if you mean THE Rock Creek East of Missoula.  The last report I heard was fishing could be over there for the season in the next week or so- water levels are way below normal – check with Doug at the Rock Creek Mercantile (406)825-6440 John

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Planning on Rock Creek, then to Libby, first week August.  Any info on the better campgrounds for us tent campers appreciated.  I was raised on Rock Creek, long, long ago– before electification.    Also info on guides in Libby for drifting, Also info on cabins, accomodations as well as campgounds (if it rains us out)   Al Schuh-fly

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Planning on Rock Creek, then to Libby, first week August.  Any info on the better campgrounds for us tent campers appreciated.  I was raised on Rock Creek, long, long ago– before electification.    Also info on guides in Libby for drifting, Also info on cabins, accomodations as well as campgounds  (if it rains us out)   Al Schuh-fly

Bring your roller skates! — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0  * http://montana-riverboats.com/  */

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For river reports. check this URL: http://www.fourrivers.net/index.htm They’re saying that the flow of Rock Creek is down to 332 cfs, which ain’t too good. We’re going out there tomorrow (7/8) and will be back on the 16th. The campground where we’re staying is on Rock Creek, but we’re going to concentrate on fishing the Blackfoot and the Bitterroot. For tent camping, see the following: http://travelmontana.state.mt.us/faq/links.htm …it has links to all sorts of travel and accomodation sites all over the state. Regards, LR

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Planning on Rock Creek, then to Libby, first week August.  Any info on the better campgrounds for us tent campers appreciated.  I was raised on Rock Creek, long, long ago– before electification.    Also info on guides in Libby for drifting, Also info on cabins, accomodations as well as campgounds (if it rains us out)   Al Schuh-fly

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http://montana.usgs.gov/rt-cgi/gen_tbl_pg for Montana streamflows. http://montana.usgs.gov/rt-cgi/gen_stn_pg?station=12334510 for current Rock Creek conditions. The creek is definitely low but then all the rivers are (at least this side of the divide). The bigger waters are fishing extremely well right now. Lots of Golden Stone and evening caddis right now with good PMD’s late morning to early afternoon. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d check on the water levels at Rock Creek first, if you mean THE Rock Creek East of Missoula.  The last report I heard was fishing could be over there for the season in the next week or so- water levels are way below normal – check with Doug at the Rock Creek Mercantile (406)825-6440 John Planning on Rock Creek, then to Libby, first week August.  Any info on the better campgrounds for us tent campers appreciated.  I was raised on Rock Creek, long, long ago– before electification.    Also info on guides in Libby for drifting, Also info on cabins, accomodations as well as campgounds (if it rains us out)   Al Schuh-fly

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Hello, all… I am leaving for Minnesota (from Michigan) this Saturday morning on a week fishing & camping trip. Can anyone tell me good places for fly-fishing?  Good places for trout, smallmouth bass, etc… I am species indifferent.

Without knowing where you are going to be, I would have to say that anywhere is just fine. 14,000 lakes are filled with bass and sunnies galore.  Carp too, if you can get one. There are plenty of rivers offering smallies, drum, white bass, etc. The trout live in the northeast area above Duluth and also in the southeast along the Whitewater and Root river systems. Have fun and leave a few for the locals. Jon Russell FlyFish Minnesota

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Hello, all… I am leaving for Minnesota (from Michigan) this Saturday morning on a week fishing & camping trip. Can anyone tell me good places for fly-fishing?  Good places for trout, smallmouth bass, etc… I am species indifferent. Thanks, –Kris Jacobs Kalamazoo, MI

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: Hello, all… I am leaving for Minnesota (from Michigan) this Saturday : morning on a week fishing & camping trip. : Can anyone tell me good places for fly-fishing?  Good places for trout, : smallmouth bass, etc… I am species indifferent. Geez….. That state is a fair sized piece of real estate! How far are you willing to drive?  Could you be a little more particular about which corner your gonna be in? If it were up to me, I’d go straight to the BWCA.  But then again, I’m gonna be there next month. — Jon Porter

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If you respond to his post *please* don’t include his web site address again. That means he will just get more responses to his post… Good diving… Sam . This is not an advertisement!!! . . I just stumbled upon the site and wanted to let everyone know . that you can save a ton of money if you purchase lightsticks by A perusal of deja news shows unequivocally that Brian Cimins is directly involved with the light sticks.  Therefore he is a liar. – Keith

–          http://www.tdl.com/~sam 1) Download and preview "Giant Stride Divelog" for Windows 2) SCUBA trivia with new trivia each time you access it…

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. . This is not an advertisement!!! . . Aren’t you the same bonehead that was here a month or so ago? . Still full of crap I see……. .Yes Mike, Brian Cimins is the same.  When I pointed out that he is a liar he .responded via e-mail thus: .        Re: This web site can save you money!!! .    To: .Does it bother you that I am making more money on every posting that I make?? .Even if people, like yourself, with no life and obviously a terrible vocabulary, .continue to haggle me I will continue to make money….SO GET A LIFE OR GET A .JOB!!! .BYE NOW!! .This is an automatic response to idiots…please do not respond!! Judge for yourself whether "Brian Cimins" is a liar. – Keith

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On Monday, July 15, 1996, Brian Cimins wrote…  I dive, fish, camp and charter a boat and I go through lightsticks like water, and it was a pleasant suprise to come across a company whosells FACTORY DIRECT.  PLEASE DO NOT PASS THIS SITE UP!!

Where do you recycle all those lightsticks?

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This is not an advertisement!!! I just stumbled upon the site

Dann, I have been using CMB software’s slideshow5.1 for quite a while now, for the money invested, (only $20.00) it has alot of features! handles all major formats, include wav files, but the best thing about it, is how easy to use it is. Slide shows can be made in a matter of minutes!!!! I currrently have all my ocean shots running at work. Check it out at: ftp://ftp.mcs.net/mcsnet.users/cmbsoft/sldsho51.zip http://www.mcs.net/~cmbsoft/sldsho51.zip c’ya!

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following to rec.[outdoors.[fishing.fly,fishing.saltwater,marketplace],scouting,scuba]: This is not an advertisement!!!

Of course not.  We didn’t think it for a moment. I just stumbled upon the site and wanted to let everyone know…

Just stumbled upon it?  Kind of like I just stumbled upon this post from you back in May, before Netcome tossed you… | If you are a camper, boy scout, or leader please e-mail me for a | wonderful giveaway for this summer’s youth scouting camps. | | Sincerely, | Brian Cimins | Kailume Lightsticks | http://www.lightsticks.com Now, please stop your commercial advertising on Usenet. — Dan Masi Mentor Graphics Corp.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – . This is not an advertisement!!! . . CHEAP PRICES!!! WEB SITE: . . http://www.lightsticks.com . . This web site offers lightsticks for WHOLESALE PRICES!! . I just stumbled upon the site and wanted to let everyone know . that you can save a ton of money if you purchase lightsticks by . visiting this site.  I dive, fish, camp and charter a boat and I . go through lightsticks like water, and it was a pleasant suprise . to come across a company whosells FACTORY DIRECT.  PLEASE DO NOT . PASS THIS SITE UP!! . . http://www.lightsticks.com . . Peace to all you pioneers out there and BE SAFE!!! A perusal of deja news shows unequivocally that Brian Cimins is directly involved with the light sticks.  Therefore he is a liar.

This just goes to show that advertising using Usenet is not always a free ride.  Brian Cimins has chosen to use deception in order to get potential customers to check out a product that he sells.  Unfortunatly, now that he has been exposed, lots of potential customers will not consider purchasing *anything* from him in the future.   I don’t generally even investigate any web page that looks like it’s going to be from someone trying to get me to buy something.  If they choose to participate in the discussion group (because that is what this is) and include a reference that they might be in a related business I might check it out if I’ve them make some contributions to the group. Those that merely post here and ask for my business will never get it. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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On Monday, July 15, 1996, Brian Cimins wrote…  I dive, fish, camp and charter a boat and I go through lightsticks like water, and it was a pleasant suprise to come across a company whosells FACTORY DIRECT.  PLEASE DO NOT PASS THIS SITE UP!! Where do you recycle all those lightsticks?

in the last 48 hours, he has posted several dozen posts to many newsgroups, including several looking for distributors. This is an ad and it is his. He just plain lies. — Queens College, Computing and Information Technology Services Photography, Diving, Flying, Delphi RAD addict Diving Long Island Sound in Fairfield County, CT

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Now if I was an rude advertiser as he is, I would have 2 big concerns… a) he presents a WWW form for ordering, and uses COD as one form of shipment… I wonder what happens to his profits if lots of those orders turn out to be incorrect addresses (and he has to "eat" the shipping costs) and the product is returned to him. b) I wonder what happens if you call the provided phone number (908-929-8202) and try to order at say 3am (in the middle of the night).  I wonder who staffs the phone at those hours?  That could be quite annoying if he runs this business out of his house, wouldn’t you think? that might be a good time to tell him what you think of his ads. Mike — *My opinions, not Alcatel’s*      [] NC Diving: http://www.vnet.com/scuba/ A is A.    Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it.

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This is not an advertisement!!!

Aren’t you the same bonehead that was here a month or so ago? Still full of crap I see…….

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. This is not an advertisement!!! . . CHEAP PRICES!!! WEB SITE: . . http://www.lightsticks.com . . This web site offers lightsticks for WHOLESALE PRICES!! . I just stumbled upon the site and wanted to let everyone know . that you can save a ton of money if you purchase lightsticks by . visiting this site.  I dive, fish, camp and charter a boat and I . go through lightsticks like water, and it was a pleasant suprise . to come across a company whosells FACTORY DIRECT.  PLEASE DO NOT . PASS THIS SITE UP!! . . http://www.lightsticks.com . . Peace to all you pioneers out there and BE SAFE!!! A perusal of deja news shows unequivocally that Brian Cimins is directly involved with the light sticks.  Therefore he is a liar. – Keith

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This is not an advertisement!!! Aren’t you the same bonehead that was here a month or so ago? Still full of crap I see…….

I did a yahoo usenet search and found 7 posts to groups by this dodo, with this subject. — Queens College, Computing and Information Technology Services Photography, Diving, Flying, Delphi RAD addict Diving Long Island Sound in Fairfield County, CT

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This is not an advertisement!!! CHEAP PRICES!!! WEB SITE: http://www.lightsticks.com This web site offers lightsticks for WHOLESALE PRICES!! I just stumbled upon the site and wanted to let everyone know that you can save a ton of money if you purchase lightsticks by visiting this site.  I dive, fish, camp and charter a boat and I go through lightsticks like water, and it was a pleasant suprise to come across a company whosells FACTORY DIRECT.  PLEASE DO NOT PASS THIS SITE UP!! http://www.lightsticks.com Peace to all you pioneers out there and BE SAFE!!!

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This is not an advertisement!!!

It certainly do looks like one…

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This is not an advertisement!!! I just stumbled upon the site

same bozo, same bullshit pretending to be uninvolved, a few months later… | Chuck Narad — diver/adventurer/engineer                         | |                                                                  | |   "Yesterday is history.  Tomorrow is a mystery.  And today?     | |   Today is a gift.  That’s why we call it The Present."          | |                         – Babatunde Olatunji                     |

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Well now how do end the evening with a late strat fishing? Well by catch some real nice trout on dry flies. One redside was about 16/17 inches long on a large stonefly nymph. The rest were taken on the surface with a #14 & 16 Parachute Adams. I landed several redsides and cutthroat trout averaging about 10 inches to 14 inches. The fishing time was about 3:30 PM till dark. The place was from Ballenger put-in to Harvast Lane on the lower McKenzie River. I do believe that there are no hatchery fish in this section–so far. So all my trout were natives. The insects were hatching quite steadly all evening– oh! what a sunset last night. I saw several McKenzie caddis’s fluttering by, many BW Olives #14-18 (this is as close to bug ID as I’ll get.) Ther was also a nice spinner activity Western Red Quill #14-16, plus some PE duns #14-18 Lt Cahill will do just fine. Even though I am a giude on this river…this was a quiet trip for self. Fishing was really good. I mean Iwent to have a good time, and found just what I needed…fish and peace & solitude. I would recommend you fish the McKenzie this Spring… Ralph Glazier                          South Fork Fly Fishing, Inc                                        Alsea, OR.                                        1 541 487-7310        

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well now how do end the evening with a late strat fishing? Well by catch some real nice trout on dry flies. One redside was about 16/17 inches long on a large stonefly nymph. The rest were taken on the surface with a #14 & 16 Parachute Adams. I landed several redsides and cutthroat trout averaging about 10 inches to 14 inches. The fishing time was about 3:30 PM till dark. The place was from Ballenger put-in to Harvast Lane on the lower McKenzie River. I do believe that there are no hatchery fish in this section–so far. So all my trout were natives. The insects were hatching quite steadly all evening– oh! what a sunset last night. I saw several McKenzie caddis’s fluttering by, many BW Olives #14-18 (this is as close to bug ID as I’ll get.) Ther was also a nice spinner activity Western Red Quill #14-16, plus some PE duns #14-18 Lt Cahill will do just fine. Even though I am a giude on this river…this was a quiet trip for self. Fishing was really good. I mean Iwent to have a good time, and found just what I needed…fish and peace & solitude. I would recommend you fish the McKenzie this Spring… Ralph Glazier                          South Fork Fly Fishing, Inc                                       Alsea, OR.                                       1 541 487-7310        

Well, I certainly miss fishing in that area, and your message didn’t help any! Really, I enjoyed reading it.   I grew up in Eugene and lived there until I was about 28; used to do a lot of fishing around there.  Is the upper Alsea ( south fork, I think ) still good for little trout? I used tave fun fishing with a dropper there.  I frequently caught 2 fish at a time. Tight Lines, Jared Still, Oracle DBA RxNet, Division of Value Health "All opinions are mine, not my employers"

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Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph.  A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern. Thanks — gp

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Why rely on second-hand responses when you can go right to the source?   Go to http://www.flyfield.com on the web to the Fly and Field fly tying site.  The Red Fox Squirrel Nymph is this month’s featured pattern from Dave Whitlock.

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writes: Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph.  A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern. Thanks — gp

Taken from "Masters On the Nymph", edited by Migel & Wright, 1979 Lyons & Burford Pub. Dave’s Red Fox Squirrel Nymph – taken verbatim from Dave Whitlock, p.135. Hook:           Mustad 9671, sizes 4-18 Body Weight:    6 to 10 wraps lead at thorax Thread:         Black Tail:           Sparse tuft of red-fox squirrel back hair, including                   both guard and underfur 1/2 length of hook shank Rib:            Small oval tinsel Abdomen:        Red-fox squirrel belly fur Thorax:         Red-fox squirrel back fur (with guard and underfur                     included) Wingcase:       Dark brown swiss straw or turkey tail Legs:           Either guard hairs of red-fox squirrel back or one turn                 of dark partridge hackle     The commercial version of this fly is typically tied with partridge hackle, synthetic dubbing and no wingcase – without a bit of red-fox squirrel in the entire fly! Good Tying,             Alan Barnard                         Kiene’s Fly Shop                         Sacramento, Ca.

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Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph.  A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern.

I’ve kept a copy of the original 5 page Dave Whitlock article from a "Fly Fisherman" magazine of many years ago, so here’s a word-for-word recital of same. Dave doth spake unto us, and he said: "Dave Whitlock’s *Standard* Red Fox Squirrel-Hair Nymph Hook:    Mustad 9671 or Tiemco Nymph Hook, #2 to #18 Thread:  Black or dark brown nylon Cement:  Dave’s Flexament [of course! ;^)] Weight:  Lead or copper wire Abdomen: Belly fur from red fox squirrel skin, may be blended with synthetic            sparkle dubbing. Abdomen should be 1/2 to 2/3 of overall body length. Thorax:  Back fur from red fox squirrel skin, may be blended with synthetic            sparkle dubbing. Thorax should be 1/2 to 1/3 of overall body length. Rib:     Gold wire or oval tinsel Tail:    Small tuft of back fur from red fox squirrel skin. Tail is          approximately 1/2 of hook shank length. Note: Squirrel tail hair is completely unsatisfactory for this nymph’s body or tail! Hair from the animal’s body, not the tail, must be used. That is why [he insists] on calling it the Red Fox Squirrel-Hair Nymph. Many tyers have confused this nymph with one of the many squirrel-tail patterns." If the argument is about the dubbing mix, Dave suggested the following: Thorax blend: Cut or shave the back hair off the skin and mix thoroughly in a small coffee-grinder-type blender. Cut yarn or synthetic dubbing into 3/8 to 1/2 inch lengths. Place the synthetic in the blender and mix it thoroughly. Now take a proper 70/30 portion of fur and synthetic and blend those together. Abdomen blend: Cut or shave the belly hair off the skin and repeat the procedure outlined above, except for the belly fur synthetic color and the 60:40 fur to synthetic ratio. Notes: – no wing case is necessary. – nymph should be tied "in the round". – thorax should be enlarged compared to the abdomen and losely wound so the     guard-hair tips will radiate to simulate legs, wing cases, antenna, and       gills in a fuzzy "halo" (fwiw: I use a small strip of the Velcro "hook"       material glued to a popsicle stick to tease the thorax on this and similar     hair nymphs). – tail has 4 or 5 guard hairs and a small bunch of underfur. Try to leave only   the tan base exposed (tie down and dub over the gray base hair). – Antron sparkle yarn is great for the synthetic part of the dubbing mixes.     I use their Amber Stone for the belly (abdomen) mix, and a mixture of Black,   Gray, and Brown for the back (thorax) mix. Hope this settles the argument! Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <         "Read this and nobody gets hurt ;^)"         < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph.  A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern. Thanks

Try the Fly and Field web site http://www.flyfield.com/ Last time I looked there were detailed tying instructions and photographs. Simon Simon Lusk Fly Fishing New Zealand on the WWW http://www-aghort.massey.ac.nz/flyfish/intro Department of Consumer Technology Massey University Palmerston North New Zealand

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services    Misha,    Personally, I would bag the idea of using clip swivels at all.  From    personal experience, they tend to sink dry flys and they also are    difficult to get your fly onto (which if you’re using a dry will almost    certainly cause you to crush the hackles, tail, etc.). How ’bout pre-tying on the tippet, with a loop at the end, for a loop-to-loop -type of connection? — Matt Meola NRA Life, Libertarian, Militiaman Gun control means using two hands. Live free or die!

Matt, A loop-to-loop connection between the tippet and the next section of the leader might not allow the fly to turn over as easily (compared with, say a surgeons or barrel knot).  Also, it would seem to be a little too bulky for my taste, which could possibly put down some fish. Also, I have my doubts concerning the practicality of carrying around a hundred or so flys with tippets already attached (I’m implying that this was what you were getting at previously.  I apologize in advance if I misinterpreted your posting.). Best Regards, Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University

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It gets rather tiring when I have to switch Flies and have to continue retying different Flies onto my line.. I use #14 and was wondering are their any types of Clip Swiviles out there for quick Fly changing..

Clips or swivels are too heavy and are not made in sizes small enough for the flies needed sometimes by trout. The simplest solution is to learn the turle knot, which is easy (can almost be tied blindfold or at night) and does not mash hackles. —  |          Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Rd., Carlsbad         |  |        Springs, Ont., Canada K0A 1K0; tel: (613) 822-0734       |  |  "What I’ve always liked about science is its independence from |  |  authority"–Ontario Science Centre (name on file) 10 July 1981 |

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   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services    Misha,    Personally, I would bag the idea of using clip swivels at all.  From    personal experience, they tend to sink dry flys and they also are    difficult to get your fly onto (which if you’re using a dry will almost    certainly cause you to crush the hackles, tail, etc.). How ’bout pre-tying on the tippet, with a loop at the end, for a loop-to-loop -type of connection? — Matt Meola NRA Life, Libertarian, Militiaman Gun control means using two hands. Live free or die!

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It gets rather tiring when I have to switch Flies and have to continue retying different Flies onto my line.. I use #14 and was wondering are their any types of Clip Swiviles out there for quick Fly changing.. Misha

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It gets rather tiring when I have to switch Flies and have to continue retying different Flies onto my line.. I use #14 and was wondering are their any types of Clip Swiviles out there for quick Fly changing.. Misha

Misha, Personally, I would bag the idea of using clip swivels at all.  From personal experience, they tend to sink dry flys and they also are difficult to get your fly onto (which if you’re using a dry will almost certainly cause you to crush the hackles, tail, etc.). Best Regards, Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University

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says… Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog.

It’s a great leader for the small stream technical fishing that I do here in the Blue Ridge Mtns. It lays out nice with no memory and is the best leader by far I’ve ever used for bow and arrow casting into small pockets under and around mountain laurel. I’ve never used it for wide open water so I can’t comment on it for that but I suspect it would more than suffice for stillwater situations where you would desire a light presentation. I don’t believe I’d use it for nymphing. –Walt

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forgot to mention one thing…. throw away the mono bimini-twist tippet they provide. THAT IS A PIECE OF JUNK  and will cause you nothing but pain, frustration and agony on the river. I build my own 2 to 6 foot tippet addition with a loop to connect to the braided leader. –Walt

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says… Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog. Check out the new Airflo leaders. They’re available in floating and several

different sink rates. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s a great leader for the small stream technical fishing that I do here in the Blue Ridge Mtns. It lays out nice with no memory and is the best leader by far I’ve ever used for bow and arrow casting into small pockets under and around mountain laurel. I’ve never used it for wide open water so I can’t comment on it for that but I suspect it would more than suffice for stillwater situations where you would desire a light presentation. I don’t believe I’d use it for nymphing. –Walt

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i use them for nymphing all the time.. the braided section tends to grip a strike indicator very well and the bimmini twist in the tippet helps to turn over a wieghted

fly quite well.. the only trouble i have had with them is that they tend to streach a bit when striking a fish Steve

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I use braided leaders all the time, for surface flies and nymphs, mostly because they’re soooo easy. But they also work. This topic comes up every now and then, and the only real criticism that I can resonate with is that they tend to hold water and so can create a spray. This can scare spooky fish, especially in flat water, but false casts cure it.

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… I use braided leaders all the time, for surface flies and nymphs, mostly because they’re soooo easy. But they also work. This topic comes up every now and then, and the only real criticism that I can resonate with is that they tend to hold water and so can create a spray. This can scare spooky fish, especially in flat water, but false casts cure it.

 Airflo also produce a tapered leader called ‘Polyleader’ – these have a  monofilament core surrounded by a tapered coating which does away with  the splashing problem.  About 5 feet long, you just tie on a mono  tippet as for the braided type and they turn over pretty well.  cheers all,  Dave — Fishy pix of N.Wales at:  http://xavier.bangor.ac.uk/dlane/fishing/ He that is giddy thinks the world turns round.

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Dave,     I have used the AirFlo leader and found it to be very useful.  For a beginning fly fisher my local shop suggested I skin back a little of the tippet end of the leader to expose the core and tie a loop.  I can then change tippets with a simple handshake knot very quickly.  The setup certainly casts very well with my limited ability and offers great flexibility as I make up various size tippets in advance. Wayne To fish is human…to release devine.

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Dave,    I have used the AirFlo leader and found it to be very useful.

Ditto, I find the Airflo Poly leader the best I’ve ever used. Wes

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Tom, I have been using an Orvis braided for about a year now, for dry’s , nymphs and streamers. I am still using the same leader, where as before I would go through a dozen leaders a season (actually saves me $).  They are great, hardly ever knot up, but when they do you must be very careful because you can ruin it picking it apart. They tend to sink easier tham mono, but when fishing a dry a little floatant takes care of the problem.  They turn over great and have no memory. Scott Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog.

– Scott Maxwell http://www.page.az.net/scud

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: They are too expensive at $9-10. I got a 9′ 5X about 3 months ago and : it has fallen apart (fished once a week). Flies that have a tendency : to twist (hoppers) will tangle a lot faster. After a couple of trips, : it started to fray and cause the line to tangle even more. : On the other hand. There is little memory. Just rig the line off the : reel. I have an Orvis line with the loop and it makes a good fit. It : did seem to help with controlling drag. No problems casting small : drys. : I wish it would be a little more durable or a little less expensive. : I might buy another but only use it when casting small drys. : Michael L You may want to try the AirFlo braided leaders.  I’ve been using them for several years and really like them.  They’re more durable than the Orvis leaders and they seem to float better as well. I also really like their lack of memory.  A little more spray than monofilament leaders (tho not much); but not a problem if you don’t make your first cast after pickup over the fish you are casting to (a good idea even if you’re not using braided leaders).  I’ve used these leaders with really small flies on spring creeks (Silver Creek and the Henry’s Fork) and not ever had a problem with presentation or spooking fish due to a braided leader (of course I usually fish downstream in these situations).  In fact the braided leader usually allows me to make a better presentation because it has so little memory.  I think the AirFlo leaders cost around $7-8.  They also have sinking braided leaders with different sink rates; makes it easy to create a sink tip from your floating line (or give your sinking line a little more "sink" at the tip). – Ward — —  Ward Foster            Hewlett-Packard, Boise Idaho

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Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog.

Hi All, This all happened about 10 years ago here in California. Orvis and others brought in the tapered braided leaders and they soon died off. I hear that they are alive and well in Europe. Try it, you might like it? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog. Hi All, This all happened about 10 years ago here in California. Orvis and others brought in the tapered braided leaders and they soon died off. I hear that they are alive and well in Europe. Try it, you might like it? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

Hi! I use them for nymphing on big rivers, With small dries and small creeks I use mono. I think they are best for big waters and bigger fish. In other words the opposite opinion from earlier writers on this subject. Hans

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Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog.

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Tom, When they first came out Orvis was giving away samples so I took one and stuck it in my tackle box where it remains still in its wrapper. I make my own leaders.  If you want it give me your mailing address and I will send it to you. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them.

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They are too expensive at $9-10. I got a 9′ 5X about 3 months ago and it has fallen apart (fished once a week). Flies that have a tendency to twist (hoppers) will tangle a lot faster. After a couple of trips, it started to fray and cause the line to tangle even more. On the other hand. There is little memory. Just rig the line off the reel. I have an Orvis line with the loop and it makes a good fit. It did seem to help with controlling drag. No problems casting small drys. I wish it would be a little more durable or a little less expensive. I might buy another but only use it when casting small drys. Michael L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog.

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Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them.

– I purchased one 8-ft braided section (w/4-ft 5X tippet) this spring based on the recommendation of a friend who also gave me some other advice… 1.  Trash the 4-foot bimini twist tippet with the package 2.  Loop a 3-foot section of 3X to the braided leader 3.  Tie on a 4-foot section of 5X-7X depending on conditions 4.  Dress the braided leader with a very light wax/silicone coating     to prevent water uptake and enhance floatability Makes a good 15-ft small tippet leader that turns over like a 9-foot knotless tapered leader.  I have had good success with this set-up fishing both small drys and nymphs on the tailwater streams here in NE TN this season.   Still fishing the original braided section (over 15-trips), but it probably won’t make it to next season. My understanding is that Orvis has coated the braided sections (see #4 above) on some of the later versions of this leader set-up due to problems with water uptake and misting.             | /              |/    (         /|     —     / | C. Michael Bullard The Yellar Hammer

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Jim.  Buy one roll of 5x braided and then in a warm well lighted room try to thread a freshly cut section of braided tippet through the eye of a # 20 hook.  This may help you decided if you want to switch over

I’m actually interested in a braided butt section, since that is the part that is really stiff.  I plan to stick with mono tippets, since they’re flexible enough.  I think a braided butt would be better for eliminating drag. — Jim Benenson                 Los Alamos, New Mexico, USA "The commonplace is only the self-constructed wall that separates us from the marvelous"  Tom Brown, Jr.

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I own a set of Orvis braided leaders.  While they do produce tight loops, they soak up water.  This make them heavy to pick up on the backcast and you run the risk of spooking fish with the spray during false casts. Lastly, I tried to add a 4 foot section of tippet material to the 5 foot braided leader (making it a nine foot leader).  THe tippet section did not straighten well.  Orvis sells tippet sections that are supposedly tapered, but they are expensive. Daren Valentine

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I use the Orvis braided leaders and LOVE them.  They last for about two years and I just tie on a length of tippet material on the end, then change that from time to time.  I’ve used both the light ones on my 5 weight rod, and the medium weight ones on my 7 weight.  I feel that the price is justified, even though I have to buy tippet material too.  Plus like you say, they’re not as stiff.

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I use the Orvis braided leaders and LOVE them.  They last for about two years and I just tie on a length of tippet material on the end, then change that from time to time.  I’ve used both the light ones on my 5 weight rod, and the medium weight ones on my 7 weight.  I feel that the price is justified, even though I have to buy tippet material too.  Plus like you say, they’re not as stiff. Don’t you have problems with wind knots? I know wk’s are mainly due to poor casting technique, but I always seem to have more problems with the braided leaders. But you are correct – they are limp. Bob –

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