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<snipped tale of the south rising again

Yeah, the battle of Atlanta…all that soft wood made one HELL of a burn-out…. just too damn funny!! … and not a turgid word in it…

Yeah, it reads like the "Letter of the Month" in the geriatric edition of Penthouse (prominently placed right across from the ads for "Sta-Hard Cream, now in Geezer Strength!" and a Mercedes dealer that offers quantify discounts)….by the by, I couldn’t look – what DID Phyllis Diller’s "spread" look like…next month, Bea Arthur and Janet Reno wrestle in Metamucil!   <G TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -jeff

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   and, as promised, the continuum:    this is painful to relate, but integrity will prevail; and, besides, zimbo was there, and it won’t do to lie with him around.

Oh, lawdy, lawdy…and he had kids, too…well, maybe if you did him in SC, the prosecutors will fight over who gets to kill you long enough that you’ll be able to just go ahead and die of old age on the SOBs… TC, R …yep, I’m for the death penalty…and I wonder just how many shameless, graceless publicity-hound prosecutors seeking to feather a nest Mohammed can hold on his lap when they pull the switch…those who were with us on that day will hold their manhood, bar cards, and taxpayer-funded Steelcases cheap, to paraphrase…

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Oh, lawdy, lawdy…and he had kids, too…well, maybe if you did him in SC, … …yep, I’m for the death penalty…

You are SO unfunny. Why don’t you just prop up a photo of Jim Nabors and whack off instead of injecting your masturbatory and malevolent spew into a TR thread ? — Ken Fortenberry

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wayno writes:

(great report snipped) wayno  (yeah, steve, it’s maudlin; but to some of us, it’s priceless.)

You bet your sweet ass it is priceless!  Nice time, counselor.  The claves out west can not, do not, compare to the NC brand of camaraderie and friendship.   Glad to see ol’ Tom is up and about.  But if he is, who dat hell is protectin’ us from all those electronic sigs and such? Dave

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… The claves out west can not, do not, compare …

True. — Ken Fortenberry

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    and, as promised, the continuum:

<snipped nice TR Thanks to Wayno, Bob, and Wolfgang for the reports of debauchery and, well, some fishing. Keep ‘em coming. I appreciate you all spending the time to relate the experience. The reality of the gathering, however, will have to be left to the discretion of the reader.  :)  Good and strange tales, all. wayno  (yeah, steve, it’s maudlin; but to some of us, it’s priceless.)

‘Sounds like "priceless" to me. — TL, Tim And we haven’t even heard Zimbo’s or Mr. Miller’s rebuttals yet.

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Having seen you at work maestro, I know that any failings were not due to a lack of competence.  And you fish pretty good too. priceless TR, BTW – a real gem Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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    The claves out west can not, do not, compare to the NC brand of camaraderie and friendship.  

Maybe you should try camping with the Westerners sometime instead of hiding out in a cabin.

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rw writes: The claves out west can not, do not, compare to the NC brand of camaraderie and friendship.   Maybe you should try camping with the Westerners sometime instead of hiding out in a cabin.

Hiding out in a cabin?  Really?  I was at the camp ground most every day.  I wanted to fish with you, Bruce, Warren, and Willi.  If it wasn’t for Paul and John, I wouldn’t have fished with any of you western dudes.  For the first time ever at any of the many claves I’ve attended, I felt like there was a clique. Hell, I traveled 2400 miles only to fish with IJ, Charlie, and Jeff.   And they traveled 200 miles to fish with me.   Nothing wrong with that – I enjoyed their company – but it would have been nice to fish with someone who knew the area. Not complainin’, mind ya, just saying that you western dudes treat "outsiders" a little different than they are treated in NC.  (However, the SJ clave was not that way – Bruce and others went out of their way to help/guide.)  It is entrirely different at a NC clave, or a Penns or Maine Clave.   BTW, did you invite me to fish?  Did Willi.?  Warren?  Yeah, I didn’t think so.  The camaraderie and friendship didn’t go all the way around at HF.  I fished with my NC friends for 2 days (with the help of Paul and John), and the third day I opted to fish alone rather than join them again.  No one else invited me to fish, nor invited them to fish.  IJ was looking forward to fishing with Willi and perhaps picking up some tips.  It didn’t hapen, at least not while I was there. Just observations, of course….. Dave

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Maybe you should try camping with the Westerners sometime …

Bring bail money, extra garbage bags and a disguise. You wouldn’t want to be associated with some of the "camping" that goes on in our National Forest campgrounds at a western ‘clave. — Ken Fortenberry

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Ken Fortenberry writes: Maybe you should try camping with the Westerners sometime … Bring bail money, extra garbage bags and a disguise. You wouldn’t want to be associated with some of the "camping" that goes on in our National Forest campgrounds at a western ‘clave. — Ken Fortenberry

In all fairness, it wasn’t anything like that. The night of the cook-out was a little loud, but there were no complaints from the host camper.  Everyone’s campsite was clean and tidy.  There was no need for police, bail money, or diguises. Dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – rw writes: The claves out west can not, do not, compare to the NC brand of camaraderie and friendship.   Maybe you should try camping with the Westerners sometime instead of hiding out in a cabin. Hiding out in a cabin?  Really?  

Really. I was at the camp ground most every day.  

Being "at the camp" occasionally is not the same thing as "camping." To put this in perspective, Dave, YOU are the one dissing the Western Claves as not having enough "comaradamie." You’re entitled to your opinion, of course, but some opinions are best left unstated, or at least not hung out in public. I’m not hearing any Western ROFFers dissing the Eastern claves, aside from the occasional good natured joke about the tiny fish. As I’ve made many good friends at the Western Claves over the past three years, and have fished with some of them many times, and have entertained some of them at my home, and have taken them fishing on my homewaters, your perception of "comaraderie" doesn’t have much in common with mine. I wanted to fish with you, Bruce, Warren, and Willi.

The fact is that we made our decisions about where to fish the next day while sitting around the campfire, just before going to bed. You weren’t consciously excluded. You just weren’t around. If it wasn’t for Paul and John, I wouldn’t have fished with any of you western dudes.  

  For the first time   ever at any of the many claves I’ve attended, I felt like there was a clique.   Hell, I traveled 2400 miles only to fish with IJ, Charlie, and Jeff.    And they   traveled 200 miles to fish with me.   Nothing wrong with that – I enjoyed their   company – but it would have been nice to fish with someone who knew the area. I want to state for the record my opinion that Warren did a heroic job at the HF Clave. I don’t think he fished more than a handful of hours, because he was so busy rowing his drift boat for others. He was fanatical in his dedication to get as many different people on float trips as possible. If you didn’t fish with Warren it wasn’t because he was part of a clique. It was more likely that you didn’t want to get photographed in the Gink boat. By the way, what’s so bad about fishing with Paul and John in their drift boats? Isn’t that enough comaraderie for you? I didn’t get to fish with Paul, which I regret, but I had a fine day with John and Bruce on the Madison, tagging along with Willi and George and Warren. That was comaradamie in my book. Not complainin’, mind ya,

No, of course not. You would never complain about a lack of comaradamie at Western claves. just saying that you western dudes treat "outsiders" a little different than they are treated in NC.

That’s probably true. For example, Warren invited JeffC to leave his cabin way down in Aston and stay at the campground in Warren’s huge, empty tent (which, by the way, was available for anyone to use). JeffC ended up staying in Warren’s camper. The tent remained unoccupied. (However, the SJ clave was not that way – Bruce and others went out of their way to help/guide.)  

Unlike, for example, Warren, John, and Paul at HF? It is entrirely different at a NC clave, or a Penns or Maine Clave.   BTW, did you invite me to fish?  

What? You wanted to join me in my one-man pontoon boat? You wanted to come to the Bechler? Did Willi.?  Warren?  Yeah, I didn’t think so.

You simply weren’t there when spontaneous decisions were made around the campfire. And it’s outrageous that you’d accuse Warren of not making maximum effort to guide and row as many people as possible.  The camaraderie and friendship didn’t go all the way around at HF.  

No complaining, Dave.   IJ was looking forward to fishing with Willi and perhaps picking up some tips.  

Who wouldn’t? Did IJ think that Willi was going to seek him out? Maybe read his mind? Did IJ ask Willi to fish and did Willi refuse? Sheesh. It didn’t hapen, at least not while I was there.

One more time, Dave: You and IJ and Jeff Miller just weren’t there at the campfire during crunch time. Western Claves are different from Eastern Claves, IMO. They’re more spontaneous. I’ve only been to one Eastern Clave, coming all the way from California. It was a very pleasant experience, but I wasn’t barraged by offers to fish with others. Aside from the kindness of Walt, and the trip with Asadi and (incredibly) Fortenberry and Wolfgang, and fishing with Jim Bennett at Jurassic Park, I fished alone, and had a damn good time. I don’t recall you inviting me to fish at Waldo’s Spring Fling, and I’ve never held that against you until today.

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Maybe you should try camping with the Westerners sometime … Bring bail money, extra garbage bags and a disguise. You wouldn’t want to be associated with some of the "camping" that goes on in our National Forest campgrounds at a western ‘clave.

You are SO unfunny. Why don’t you just prop up a photo of Jim Nabors and whack off instead of injecting your masturbatory and malevolent spew into a TR thread ? HTH, R

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<more snippage Wolfgang, help me out here.  Are they going for distance, duration or style points? –Stan (still a newbie at pissing contests)

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Hiding out in a cabin?  Really?  I was at the camp ground most every day.  I wanted to fish with you, Bruce, Warren, and Willi.  If it wasn’t for Paul and John, I wouldn’t have fished with any of you western dudes.  For the first time ever at any of the many claves I’ve attended, I felt like there was a clique.

Dave,   I’m sorry you were disappointed with the HF clave.  I apologize for not being more outgoing.  I would have loved to fish with you and/or the other easterners for that matter.  I guess I had the feeling that the easterners wanted to fish with each other.  Also, I guess I spent time trying to make sure that Kevin was having a good time.  There were several westerners that I didn’t get to fish with either but I figured there was always next time. but it would have been nice to fish with someone who knew the area.

  That left me out.  The area was new to me too. BTW, did you invite me to fish?  Did Willi.?  Warren?  Yeah, I didn’t think so.  The camaraderie and friendship didn’t go all the way around at HF.  I fished with my NC friends for 2 days (with the help of Paul and John), and the third day I opted to fish alone rather than join them again.  No one else invited me to fish, nor invited them to fish.  IJ was looking forward to fishing with Willi and perhaps picking up some tips.  It didn’t hapen, at least not while I was there.

  Well, crap, I wish I would have known you were going to fish by yourself.  We sure would have asked you to go with us (Kevin and me). (Of course, we’re no Willi or Warren<G)   I enjoyed everyone at the clave and would have liked to spent time fishing with each one but, in a short period of time, it’s kind of hard to get organized & accomplish what one would like.  In fact, I’m not sure I ever got "invited" to fish with anyone.  It just seems to "happen".  I know one thing that went through my mind was to not "insert" myself into any drift boat fishing so that all those who wanted a chance to drift had the chance.  This is why I brought a couple of pontoon boats.   Give us another chance, Dave.  If I could set up a clave here in Buffalo, I guarantee I’d lay on some camaraderie:)  I’ve thought about trying to put together a Bighorn Mountain clave but the stream fishing here on the south end of the mountains is rather limited.  Mostly lake fishing and long hikes.  This just doesn’t seem like an area that would make a good clave.  At least, it wouldn’t be similar to any of the claves I’ve attended. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Ken Fortenberry writes: Bring bail money, extra garbage bags and a disguise. … In all fairness, it wasn’t anything like that. …

I’d like to think that my rants in this forum have had something to do with improving their "camping" behavior, but to tell ya the truth, it was probably the fines. — Ken Fortenberry

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rw writes: By the way, what’s so bad about fishing with Paul and John in their drift boats? Why do you always put words in peoples’ mouths, rw.  Where did I say it was "bad" fishing with Paul and John?  I *praise* them because they invited me to fish, something neither you, Warren, or Willi did.  

Unfortunately for you, it’s been snowing hard for 12 hours and I have nothing better to do until it stops than respond to this incredible load of horsepucky. Your attitude astounds me, Dave. You’re coming across like a primadonna. You seem to think it’s your role to be catered to, courted, and guided, like some sort of semi-royal personage. You aren’t willing to camp with the rest of us, but you complain that you’re excluded. Weird. What did you expect? That we’d get on the cell phones in the morning for a conference call? If you feel like Western Claves lack a sufficient degree of comaraderie, feel free stay out East where you’re more comfortable. We’ll muddle through somehow. It is bad form, though, to insult the Clavemeister (Warren) who put so much energy into this, and to insult other attendees who found the comaraderie to be just fine.

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rw writes: By the way, what’s so bad about fishing with Paul and John in their drift boats?

Why do you always put words in peoples’ mouths, rw.  Where did I say it was "bad" fishing with Paul and John?  I *praise* them because they invited me to fish, something neither you, Warren, or Willi did.   I found the HF clave to be a very big disappointment.  There were not that many fish taken, they were relatively small, and only a few folks were catching them.  But the biggest disappointment was the exclusion of some people from the plans.   I didn’t go to HF to catch lots of big fish – I can stay home and catch big brookies and big salmon.  I went because I was practically begged to go, and then I ended up never fishing with those I went to see.  Ironic, huh? As far as Gehkre’s boat…. well, I’m glad that Paul and John were there.  But there were days when Warren was not in the boat, days when Willi and Bruce and you weren’t in the boat.   You simply weren’t there when spontaneous decisions were made around the campfire.

Ahhh, herein lies the difference:  at a NC clave, if these "spontaneious decisions" were made, the non-attendees would have been notified and included post facto.   And it’s outrageous that you’d accuse Warren of not making maximum effort to guide and row as many people as possible.

I saw Warren row Jeffie and Charlie.  No one else.  And you do not have to "row" to fish HF.  I went off on my own on Wednesday my last day and caught fish.  It would have been nice if Warren or others could have been with me. But, I wasn’t around when all the "spontaneity" was going down.  Ya have watch out for all that spontaneity shit….. it happens, click, like that, and ya might get excluded.    The camaraderie and friendship didn’t go all the way around at HF.   No complaining, Dave.

Not complaining.  It’s *fact*. Who wouldn’t? Did IJ think that Willi was going to seek him out? Maybe read his mind? Did IJ ask Willi to fish and did Willi refuse? Sheesh.

I was present when IJ asked Willi, and Willi said *sure*. Western Claves are different from Eastern Claves, IMO. They’re more spontaneous.

You misspelled "cliquish". Aside from the kindness of Walt, and the trip with Asadi and (incredibly) Fortenberry and Wolfgang, and fishing with Jim Bennett at Jurassic Park, I fished alone, and had a damn good time. I don’t recall you inviting me to fish at Waldo’s Spring Fling, and I’ve never held that against you until today.

Lesseeee…..Walt, Asadi, Fortenberry, Wolfie, and Jim B.  went fishing with you.  Well, without using my toes, I count five.  That’s five more than I had at HF.  And I wouldn’t have invited you to fish at the Spring Fling, for I too was a newbie, having never fished those waters.  I was a follower, not a leader.  The two leaders that I was fortunate enough to have at HF, Paul and John, had never fished that water and did an outstanding job with us "easterners". Dave

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    i had planned to meet zimbo at early thirty on wed am for a partnered drive up to the smokies, but some damn judge had other ideas.  thus, i head out thurs am, into heavy fog, but with high expectations:  i had checked with my local smokies guru, and the streams were at normal heights; this happy news, combined with the prospect of overcast skies, made my heart fairly leap.  the sun is your enemy in the freestone pocket water in the old north state–or it always has been; more later about that.     around morganton, about halfway into a four hour trip, i saw a little miata up ahead on the interstate suddenly slow and pull to the shoulder of the interstate.  i slowed my approach, and watched in growing anticipation as this gorgeous brunette unfolded from the aforesaid mazda, waving for me to stop; i complied.  i got out, and walked slowly to the front of her car. our eyes locked for an instant, the electricity suddenly thick around us. she looked down, and i asked if i could be of assistance.  yes, she said, her voice tight with anticipation.  how far west are you going, she asked. all the way, darlin, i replied.  she fairly lept into my jeep.  she explained that she had run out of gas and money, and was trying to find a strange little dude with a mustache, curly hair, owl-like glasses,  and a terrible yankee accent–he had promised her a grand and all the cheese she could eat in return for her appearance at something he called a "clave". immediately, i realized her peril.  casually, i asked her what color mercedes was her favorite.  she put her hand…well, she murmured "silver", and said, breathlessly, turn here.  we were approaching the waynesville holiday inn exit.     two hours later, i arose from, well, an amazing exercise in physical and emotional expansion, and headed for the jeep.  as i closed the door, she said only two things, softly:  first, this:  you have …changed me;  then, this:  i want you to at least know my name–it’s lana…     next installment at eleven. your friend in the old north state wayno

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wayno writes: as i closed the door, she said only two things, softly:  first, this:  you have …changed me;  then, this:  i want you to at least know my name–it’s lana..

I certainly hope you went immediately to the nearest medical facility and got all the necessary shots.   I gotta watch out for you all the time……. Louie [who wishes he could have joined ya, but had better things to do.....d;o) ]

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   next installment at eleven. your friend in the old north state wayno

I wait with baited breath (bin eatin’ anchovies) By the way, you’re a cruel sumnabitch to break poor Wolfie’s heart that way.  From what I hear, he hasn’t been laid since Wisconsin discovered cheese. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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    i had planned to meet zimbo at early thirty on wed am for a partnered drive up to the smokies, but some damn judge had other ideas.  thus, i head out thurs am, into heavy fog, but with high expectations:  i had checked with my local smokies guru, and the streams were at normal heights; this happy news, combined with the prospect of overcast skies, made my heart fairly leap.  the sun is your enemy in the freestone pocket water in the old north state–or it always has been; more later about that.

<snipped rest of, er, TR? I must admit that the best factual recollection (read: BS) has come from this anti-clave. Must be the NC air. Great entertainment for us who stayed home and raked leaves. — TL, Tim

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Not that there were any lies told here, but in case there weren’t, there was a big article on "Lana" in the Charlotte Tribune about a month ago and the wonderful success of the transgender operation. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

(honest your honor, it couldn’t have been ME!! snipped) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     next installment at eleven. your friend in the old north state wayno

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<snipped tale of the south rising again just too damn funny!! … and not a turgid word in it… jeff

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    i had planned to meet zimbo at early thirty on wed am for a partnered drive up to the smokies, but some damn judge had other ideas.  thus, i head out thurs am, into heavy fog, but with high expectations:  i had checked with my local smokies guru, and the streams were at normal heights; this happy news, combined with the prospect of overcast skies, made my heart fairly leap.  the sun is your enemy in the freestone pocket water in the old north state–or it always has been; more later about that.

    and, as promised, the continuum:     this is painful to relate, but integrity will prevail; and, besides, zimbo was there, and it won’t do to lie with him around.     i fished snowbird creek in the "hatchery supported" section on the afternoon of my arrival, under a canopy of thick clouds, and didn’t catch one fish.  first time for that, ever, on that creek.  in casting about for excuses, i have come up with the following:  1.  the creek hadn’t been stocked in a long time, and the fish had been taken out, or never put in the section we fished; 2.  the drastic change in weather from wednesday’s clear, warmer status had put the fish off the feed. 3.  absolutely nothing was coming off the water, except a few tiny (i mean barely visible) midges, so the trout were sulking; 4  the , um, aura of lana was still on or about my body, and the fish were simply stunned.  anyone got any ideas?  garden variety incompetence is not an acceptable suggestion.     oh, well, back to the cabin downstream, where zimbo and i fished a short stretch just below our digs.  some excitement ensued when a very large brown swirled at my dayglo indicator, his back out of the water.  we threw everything save a blasting cap at his home thereafter, but nada.     i saw tom brown emerge out on the front porch with a glass in his hand, and the smoky scent of dalwhinnie floated across the ever shortening distance as i made my way, relentlessly, to the safety of russia’s finest beverage.  the evening was saved.     next morning zimbo and i arrived at the fontana boat dock in accordance with the plan to rent a boat, run across the lake to the mouth of hazel creek, and hook up with the survivors, if any there were, of the fabled death march.  turns out we had to rent two small jon boats, and zimbo had never even cranked a motor.  i took him for a brief lesson, and the boy responded with his typical esprit de corps and innate physical talents.  we were sliding up to a mooring at the mouth of hazel in thirty minutes.  the foilage was brilliant, at its peak of color, in fact; about ten days later than usual. on the ride across the lake, i considered my good fortune at being a resident of a state that displays such an amazing variety of natural features.     `my happy reveries were cut short with our arrival at the creek mouth, where the unsettling odor of cheddar hung heavy in the damp air.  sure enough, there he was, acerbic as always, but a survivor if there ever was one:  mama siebeniech’s gift to the world of forensic science, and the scourge of vermin throughout the upper midwest. and fishing upstream; and the bad:  the damn place was thick with preppies. sure enough, as we walked upstream in search of the boys, we passed what seemed like dozens of the earnest young faces of norman’s children, standing uncertainly in the ribbons of water, waving their rods limply through an arc of about 180 degrees, dropping the fly in the flow behind them, piling the line across a couple different runs in front of them, and generally scaring the shit out of every rainbow in graham county.     about a mile above the mouth, we passed this guy fishing who actually knew what he was doing, and i wondered if he could be patton, whom i had never met.  i discounted that possibility when i realized that this individual looked exactly like an accountant.  by noon, we had arrived, as scheduled, at the second bridge.  just above that structure, at the creek’s edge, stood none other than the best damned domestic lawyer in the old north state, the fabled and feared jeffie miller.  we chatted for a while about the deprivations endured during the last few days of camping on the creek; that is, the shortage of whisky, and zimbo and i moved upstream hoping to find some water that had not yet been subjected to the thrashing of spoiled children.  well, to make a long  and embarrassing story mercifully short–we caught two fish each, neither longer than six inches.  it was my worst day in thirty one years of fishing hazel creek.  we all met at the end of the fishing day by the side of one of the most beautiful streams on this planet, to bitch and moan.  bob patton turned out to be the accountant, and a damn good guy.     so, back to the cabin for more of the same:  sniper stories (thank god for the capture), the bounty of tom’s crock pot cuisine, and the crisp taste of a stoli see-through.  about seven or so, zimbo became sufficiently bored with the society of hopeless alchoholics that he was driven to return home–a six hour drive back to the raleigh area.  his conduct might be considered irrational, but only by those who have never seen his wife.  wow.     the bottom line is this:  who gives a damn about the fishing.  the other stuff is where it’s at.  right boyos?     here’s to ya, guys, from your friend in the old north state wayno  (yeah, steve, it’s maudlin; but to some of us, it’s priceless.)

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Tell Charlie and the others to be more respectful in the future and you will see all this nonsense disappear from this point on.

Just when you thought they couldn’t get funnier… — Charlie…

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____  I can take ass chewing when its justified, but you like everyone else don’t do your homework.  Why don’t you go back to the beginning and realize that I don’t take anyone on unless they attack me unjustly. That has been the case every time.  Check the treads Tom. If what you say about Wayne is true, then I’ve been duped by him and now you. Frankly, your attack on me is also off base.  Roff has turned into a vile place and has been needing a moderator for several years now.  I can assure you, starting from scratch, I’d be the last one a moderator would need to correct. If there is correcting to do, I’d say you’re off base on this one.  If you go back and TAKE INVENTORY my friend, you will see that it was Wayne that started writing dribble to me when in fact up to that point I never did that and if so in the past, it was so minor as to be just humorous and friendly barbs about lawyers.   Go back and check Tom.  If you dare.  I never attacked Wayne because he never provoked me until the posts prior to my challenge on what possibly could cause a reasonable man to say the things he said.  Consider this. If anyone in the future, from this POINT on . . . smart mouths me, which I won’t instigate, you take note of it pal.  I don’t call you Brownie, I don’t demean your name, I don’t call you any kind of names and I’ve always treated you with respect.  But when you come charging at me fighting other people’s battles which THEY start, then I say you’re sticking your nose where it doesn’t belong and you do not know the treads or those who start them. So, politely leave me alone regarding retorts.  I’m not here to impress you or to talk ill of you.  I would do that in private.  So you and the other feeding sharks who have no idea what the hell you’re doing, should do your home work before you. Again, from this point on, read the posts Tom before you get on my case.  I’m the the bad guy here.  Tell Charlie and the others to be more respectful in the future and you will see all this nonsense disappear from this point on. Let’s see, who throws the first stone after you Tom. I promise, it is never me. Get back to fly fishing everyone and clean up your acts before you start trying to correct me.  And don’t dig up old stuff out of context.  That also doesn’t fly anymore as it is self serving and those NEVER show the instigators I have challenged. Lately, do me a favor Tom.  Do everyone here a favor.  If EVER anyone demeans anyone in the slightest way, why don’t you point that out immediately in the future?   You be a test moderator and let’s see who gets to 10 points first. Think about it. Again, I’m not the bad guy here. Okay? — George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

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Again, from this point on, read the posts Tom before you get on my case.  I’m the the bad guy here.   Again, I’m not the bad guy here. Okay?

so which is it?  bad or not bad? <G cb

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We’re thinking of calling the lodge "The Royal Humpy", but that conjures up all sorts of double entendres, especially to an Aussie.  

I know you Aussies are tennis fans. So am I. In the US we "root" for our favorite players, and we "pull for them" too. I understand there term have different connotations in Oz. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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We’re thinking of calling the lodge "The Royal Humpy", but that conjures up all sorts of double entendres, especially to an Aussie.  

I know you Aussies are tennis fans. So am I. In the US we "root" for our favorite players, and we "pull for them" too. I understand these terms have different connotations in Oz. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Pete, I’ll bring the lawers, they’re much preferred over politicians. Politicians will drink your Scotch, steal your money, dispoil your land, leave cigar burns on the upholstery, and screw your women. Lawyers……bring their own Scotch. Send the pair of tickets on ahead, I’ll arrive with a bus load of paying customers next February for the GRAND OPENING.  Getting a group together to fly to warm climates in the middle of our winter to catch large trout should prove little enough of a challenge. — Wayne

Well, as long as they bring their own Scotch, the other things are almost forgiveable I guess We’re thinking of calling the lodge "The Royal Humpy", but that conjures up all sorts of double entendres, especially to an Aussie.  In case you’re not familiar with it, a ‘humpy’ is a rather rough and ready bush dwelling, which the lodge definitely won’t be!  Of course apart from being a trout fly, another meaning for humpy could only be imagined, but as for a busload of lawyers being involved, well….. — Pete, Brisbane, Australia To reply by email, remove the "DAMNSPAM" from the address in the header.

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We’re thinking of calling the lodge "The Royal Humpy", but that conjures up all sorts of double entendres, especially to an Aussie.   I know you Aussies are tennis fans. So am I. In the US we "root" for our favorite players, and we "pull for them" too. I understand there term have different connotations in Oz.

maybe that’s why so many Americans wear spectacles…… didn’t do QUITE enough to send you blind Sorry – couldn’t resist it. But seriously – if anyone is genuinely interested in a holiday to the Tasmanian highlands next year, let me know.   The lake we’re building on is 280 acres, and is part of the London Lakes complex, which many will have heard of.   The lake is called Highland Waters, and is part of a 586 acre property.   The trout are big, plentiful, and a bugger to catch – a real challenge.   Oh, and did I mention that the scenery is beautiful?  And the lodge will be very comfortable, with a deck overlooking the lake, and plenty of room for the barbecue on which to cook the big rainbows you’ll catch there too.  The browns are catch-and-release (that’s how they come to be so big and so smart) but the rainbows are catch-and-barbecue — Pete, Brisbane, Australia To reply by email, remove the "DAMNSPAM" from the address in the header.

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Damn forgot to proof read or use spellcheck!.fter should have An a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well Wayne. fter the dust settles we wont have enough left to Buy a bus ticket in Mexico city .However I will offfer one nights free accomodation to all ROFFIANS.How you get there is up to you.saltwater Fly fishing for salmon is getting quite popular these days. Hope this is not considered spam.After 2.5 years of retirement my wife and I have purchased a small fishing lodge in a remote corner of B.C. Its near Night inlet water access or air only.At present there are two rental cabins.We plan on a few more.It is called Chatham channel lodge.Among the various fishing activities are whale and bear watching hiking kayaking Eagles and shellfish.I have no idea how we are going to market our opportunities but hopefully we will see some of you at the Vancouver or Seattle sportsman’s show.We may or may not have email depending on cost etc..If we do I will continue to correspond with all ROFFians. Congratulations on the purchase.  Marketing is a make or break necessity.  What you need is a representative near the lucrative Washington DC market with access to top Pentagon brass and a number of politicians.  Boondoggles to the "North Country" are quite popular. For an "all expense paid trip for 2" I will be happy to promote the hell out of your lodge in ALL the right places in a top money producing market.  With proper incentive I might even be cajoled into an annual trip with a bus load of paying (top dollar) influential customers in tow. — Wayne BOONDOGGLES-ARE-US To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Congratulations on the purchase.  Marketing is a make or break necessity.  What you need is a representative near the lucrative Washington DC market with access to top Pentagon brass and a number of politicians.  Boondoggles to the "North Country" are quite popular. For an "all expense paid trip for 2" I will be happy to promote the hell out of your lodge in ALL the right places in a top money producing market.  With proper incentive I might even be cajoled into an annual trip with a bus load of paying (top dollar) influential customers in tow. — Wayne BOONDOGGLES-ARE-US To fish is human….To release Divine!

As a long-time lurker but infrequent poster here, can I push my own little barrow too? We are building a "little" lodge on one of Tasmania’s highland lakes, a fully private fishery with monster wild brown trout up to 10 lbs or more.  Sight-fishing to tailing brownies in the Tasmanian highlands is really something special.   We are looking at rentals on a weekend or weekly basis, and would be keen to know if there is any significant interest on ROFF. Building should be finished by December/January.  Closed season is the winter 3-months from June through August.  Rental prices not yet figured out. Wayne – you could always come out on a ‘freebie’ as long as you brought a busload of paying punters with you. )  Mind you – I’m not sure which would be worse – a busload of politicians or a busload of lawyers…. heheh — Pete, Brisbane, Australia To reply by email, remove the "DAMNSPAM" from the address in the header.

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Well Wayne. fter the dust settles we wont have enough left to Buy a bus ticket in Mexico city .However I will offfer one nights free accomodation to all ROFFIANS.How you get there is up to you.saltwater Fly fishing for salmon is getting quite popular these days. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hope this is not considered spam.After 2.5 years of retirement my wife and I have purchased a small fishing lodge in a remote corner of B.C. Its near Night inlet water access or air only.At present there are two rental cabins.We plan on a few more.It is called Chatham channel lodge.Among the various fishing activities are whale and bear watching hiking kayaking Eagles and shellfish.I have no idea how we are going to market our opportunities but hopefully we will see some of you at the Vancouver or Seattle sportsman’s show.We may or may not have email depending on cost etc..If we do I will continue to correspond with all ROFFians. Congratulations on the purchase.  Marketing is a make or break necessity.  What you need is a representative near the lucrative Washington DC market with access to top Pentagon brass and a number of politicians.  Boondoggles to the "North Country" are quite popular. For an "all expense paid trip for 2" I will be happy to promote the hell out of your lodge in ALL the right places in a top money producing market.  With proper incentive I might even be cajoled into an annual trip with a bus load of paying (top dollar) influential customers in tow. — Wayne BOONDOGGLES-ARE-US To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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As a long-time lurker but infrequent poster here, can I push my own little barrow too? We are building a "little" lodge on one of Tasmania’s highland lakes,

a fully private fishery with monster wild brown trout up to 10 lbs or more.  Sight-fishing to

tailing brownies in the Tasmanian highlands is really something special. We are looking at rentals on a weekend or weekly basis, and would be

keen to know if there is any significant interest on ROFF. Building should be finished by December/January.  Closed season is

the winter 3-months from June through August.  Rental prices not yet figured out. Wayne – you could always come out on a ‘freebie’ as long as you

brought a busload of paying punters with you. )  Mind you – I’m not sure which would be worse –

a busload of politicians or a busload of lawyers…. heheh Pete, Brisbane, Australia

Pete, I’ll bring the lawers, they’re much preferred over politicians. Politicians will drink your Scotch, steal your money, dispoil your land, leave cigar burns on the upholstery, and screw your women. Lawyers……bring their own Scotch. Send the pair of tickets on ahead, I’ll arrive with a bus load of paying customers next February for the GRAND OPENING.  Getting a group together to fly to warm climates in the middle of our winter to catch large trout should prove little enough of a challenge. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Hope this is not considered spam.After 2.5 years of retirement my wife and I have purchased a small fishing lodge in a remote corner of B.C. Its near Night inlet water access or air only.At present there are two rental cabins.We plan on a few more.It is called Chatham channel lodge.Among the various fishing activities are whale and bear watching hiking kayaking Eagles and shellfish.I have no idea how we are going to market our opportunities but hopefully we will see some of you at the Vancouver or Seattle sportsman’s show.We may or may not have email depending on cost etc..If we do I will continue to correspond with all ROFFians.

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Hope this is not considered spam.After 2.5 years of retirement my wife and I have purchased a small fishing lodge in a remote corner of B.C. Its near Night inlet water access or air only.At present there are two rental cabins.We plan on a few more.It is called Chatham channel lodge.Among the various fishing activities are whale and bear watching hiking kayaking Eagles and shellfish.I have no idea how we are going to market our opportunities but hopefully we will see some of you at the Vancouver or Seattle sportsman’s show.We may or may not have email depending on cost etc..If we do I will continue to correspond with all ROFFians.

Congratulations on the purchase.  Marketing is a make or break necessity.  What you need is a representative near the lucrative Washington DC market with access to top Pentagon brass and a number of politicians.  Boondoggles to the "North Country" are quite popular. For an "all expense paid trip for 2" I will be happy to promote the hell out of your lodge in ALL the right places in a top money producing market.  With proper incentive I might even be cajoled into an annual trip with a bus load of paying (top dollar) influential customers in tow. — Wayne BOONDOGGLES-ARE-US To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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George: <<Doug Knight was just given a laboratory test and demonstration of CDC Emergers (his choice of flies to test)  in the film, without and WITH Gehrke’s Gink.  I cannot begin to express to all of you, LaCourse in particular and Mike Connor, how wrong  you both are regarding CDC tied flies and Gink.  I have pictures of his CDC Emergers on the bottom, lifeless and floatless without Gehrke’s Gink and the singular Dressed CDC GINK assisted CDC Emerger, the only fly ABLE TO float ON TOP of the water.

And how do we know they were truly CDC?  I have true CDC.  I use it on emerger patterns.  I tied up two and did the test with and without Gink.   Both flied floated as I expected them to.  But the Ginked fly did not, I repeat, DID NOT capture air bubbles, while the untreated fly DID.  That is the whole reason for usinging CDC, George.  CDC as a dry fly makes no sense because other materials make better more durable wings.  But you can not beat CDC as an ermerger pattern *if you want to capture air bubbles*.  CDC does that just fine because of its "bottle brush" barbuls.  Reread what Leeson and Schollmeyer say about it.  It is not a mystery, George. Gink or any other floatant *including preening oil* messes up the barbuls and makes the CDC feather *just an ordinary feather*.   And why would I go through the expense and bother of tying an emerger pattern that traps air when I could use marabou.  CDC captures air bubbles.  CDC treated with Gink or any floatant does not.  Period. Dave LaCourse

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[filled the virtual circular file with plenty o' snippage] However!  REMEMBER THIS DAVID, there is nothing a CDC feather doesn’t do that GINKED, it will do better.

I’ve read this at least three times…Can’t understand it – nor why I’d want to remember it. I think it hurt my brain, though. Perhaps permanently… Think of it like this David.  A BARE HOOK with just two cdc feathers will float on still water, but so will a bare hook dressed only with Gink.

Now here was a bold statement that I could sink my thoughts into. And – BONUS! – it didn’t hurt my brain. Thus rising to the challenge, I ventured forth down the hall to the world reknown Daytripper Laboratory (second door on the right), intent on conducting a rigorous scientific test of the above theory. I vowed not to leave the lab until the required experiments were completed. After donning a pair of latex gloves to avoid any chance of contamination of the test and control subjects, I gathered ten brand new Mustad #8 3906B hooks together, mixed them well, then randomly (I even closed my eyes) separated them into two groups of five hooks. I then randomly selected one of the groups (using the precise "Eeeny Meeny Miney Moe" procedure) to become the test subject group, and then carefully slathered each hook from the selected group with GINK, from eye to point. The other group of five hooks became the Control Group. The GINK was obtained from the bottom of a bottle which had spontaneously expelled most of its contents all over my fishing vest – adding character (and a huge greasy stain) to said vest – the discovery of which led to "The Bottle Formerly Filled With GINK" to immediately experience the joy of flight. Alternating between members of the two groups, I then took each hook carefully in the grip of a pair of fine surgical steel hemostats (borrowed from the same fishing vest). I then set each hook (singly, in turn) on the surface film of a beaker of H2O chilled to precisely 62 degrees Fahrenheit (which we all know to be the exact temperature conducive to both dry fly fishing for salmonids and for wet wading). I then observed the results of the experiment: all five GINK-ladened hooks from the group of test subjects and all five naked unGINKed hooks from the control group all sank like so many small stones to the bottom of the beaker. Conclusion: GINK won’t keep a #8 3906B hook afloat on the surface of water, thus proving that the claim is not global in nature. Please send $1000 to me, George, to reimburse the extensive cost of conducting this experiment, and of operating the world reknown Daytripper Laboratory. I’ll put the funds to very good use, I promise (the world reknown Daytripper Laboratory could use a new exhaust fan, an upgraded toilet seat, and a new towel rack. Oh – and an actual working lock on the laboratory door – so that when I’m reading the newspaper with my morning coffee searching for a new theory to test, I won’t be interrupted…) /daytripper

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Dave, and others, I have an agenda.. it has to do with pictures of people "greasing up" CDC feathers… sounds vaguely.. how can i say this.. erotic?  perhaps you can post to rec.outdoors.erotica.fishing.fly ?? please? Of course, I may be misreading your post… cheers from a perv, edwin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bottom line, George:   Gink works for *most applications* but not on CDC.  I will take the word of Leeson and Schollmeyer and every fly shop owner I have ever talked to concerning "greasing" up a CDC long before I take your word on the subject.  You have an agenda; they do not. Dave LaCourse

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – CDC flies are deadly effective: they catch trout! When they do, they get slimed and they lose their floating properties. The following works for me: 1)  Squeeze rinse the fly in the stream to get rid of as much trout slime, dirt, etc. as possible. 2)  Dry the fly on shirt or handkerchief (some swine nicked my amadou). 3)  Lightly Gink the CDC. 4)  Wipe off surplus on trousers. 5)  Roll the fly around in the palm of hand in a small pile of powder fly dessicant (cheap stuff, nothing fancy) to remove almost all of the Gink and to unclog and ‘fluff up’ the CDC. It works for me. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

Hi Tony, actually just washing and drying it thoroughly without applying anything will work as well. I have been experimenting for quite a while with various things, and I have had the best results up to now using a product called Watershed applied some time before fishing ( night before at least ), and allowed to dry before fluffing up the fly again.  This seems to make it easier to wash and dry the fly after sliming it, but I am still not absolutely certain whether or not it affects the floating properties much at all. The product works quite well on normal dry flies,  as indeed does Gink ), and because it dries completely and invisibly without apparent residue, it at least does not affect the floating properties of CDC adversely as practically all other liquid or paste type floatants I have tried do. Anything which clogs the fibres will reduce the surface area of the feather, and hence the floating properties, as these depend directly on this factor. This is in fact the same reason why the slime is detrimental. To be perfectly fair and honest I have never tried Gink on CDC flies using your method, but then again I can see no particular advantage in doing so, as my CDC flies float perfectly well without any dressing at all up to the moment they first become slimed. I have tried Gink used in the normal way, just applying it and then casting the fly, this will clog and sink a brand new CDC fly pretty quick actually. You can try this quite easily, you will see it is true. Presumably the trick is to dry the fly very thoroughly again after applying the Gink, but then again, a clean dry CDC fly will float well anyway, so what is the point in adding anything to it at all, unless this makes the subsequent cleaning and  drying procedure easier or more effective, which Gink does not do ? ( And which I hoped Watershed might, which is why I tried it in the first place ). It is something of an involved  quandary I am afraid. To recap: A new dry CDC fly floats perfectly well until it becomes slimed. After thorough washing and drying it floats perfectly well again, although this takes time, and one usually ties on a new fly instead of attempting to resurrect the clogged one. ( At least I do ). A new dry CDC fly pre-treated with watershed and thoroughly dried and fluffed floats perfectly well until it becomes slimed. ( I get the impression that it is easier and quicker to de-slime and dry the fly here, subjective at the moment, but a possible advantage). ( On sub-surface CDC flies this definitely results in more air being trapped and staying trapped longer before the fly clogs, useful for some patterns and a possible advantage). A new dry CDC fly treated with practically any of the commonly used floatants in the conventional way loses most if not all of its floating capabilities, and in fact in some cases will sink like a stone, and not work again until completely cleaned of the substance and dried. Whereupon it is again as good as new. Your method of applying Gink after drying the fly first, and then drying it again also works you say, ( I have no reason to doubt it ) until the fly again becomes slimed. But as Gink does not allow the fly to be more easily deslimed and dried again or to float properly in a slimed state then what is the point of the Gink ? My only conclusion up to now is that you have found a way to use Gink which at least does not lessen the floating or air retaining properties of CDC appreciably, ( which as it happens also agrees with Georges findings ), but it does nothing to enhance them either.Certainly not on sub-surface flies. I would be interested in your comments, and a fair test of the above ideas if you are willing. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (We can post the photographs if desired.  I’d do it now if it wasn’t for the fact my digital camera to computer connection isn’t working tonight.) Doug Knight was just given a laboratory test and demonstration of CDC Emergers (his choice of flies to test)  in the film, without and WITH Gehrke’s Gink.  I cannot begin to express to all of you, LaCourse in particular and Mike Connor, how wrong  you both are regarding CDC tied flies and Gink.  I have pictures of his CDC Emergers on the bottom, lifeless and floatless without Gehrke’s Gink and the singular Dressed CDC GINK assisted CDC Emerger, the only fly ABLE TO float ON TOP of the water. Well . . . there is a secret on how to use GINK on C.D.C. Feathers because they are so flimsy and fine.  You fluff them up by  blowing on them after you GINK Them.   Properly Dressed with the World’s Best Dry Fly Dressing, CDC tied flies abilities to float are IMPROVED DRAMATICALLY, boys and girls. So don’t  buy the incorrect statement anymore that CDC tied feathers and/or flies are ruined because they’re dressed with Gehrke’s Gink.  I can see where it might be wrong to use other dry fly dressings, but in this case as compared to other Dry Fly Dressings and situations . . . Gehrke’s GINK is still KING.  Everyone SHOULD USE, Gehrke’s Gink Dry Fly Dressing on CDC tied flies.  In fact, ESPECIALLY if they’re tied with CDC feathers. What I like about CDC feathers is when they’re used for wings.  They’re less likely to spin a fine tippet into a snarled mess. "Gink Keeps It Up"  All Around The World Gink IS King. Please tell us the pattern and what color foam was used for the body   Harry

No foam.  No Cheating.  Fly tied by Harry Mason & CDC Caddis Emerger.  Look for the picture somewhere on this thread.  Good question Harry. Doug Knight Call me at 509-243-5500 For More Info.

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PURE FACT!  Pure scientific fact.  Proven in the lab here. I picture an old coffee mug filled with water

Just Blue’s water bowl. I mean clean. Check the picture on this thread. I was glad to be a part of the test. Blue is a great dog. Doug Knight Hairy Trout

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 ____  Some valid points Mike.  Please understand me when I say the secret is to go ahead and apply GINK but then blow on the fly to refluff and separate the barbles.  The barbles are now waterproofed whereas they are not, any other way. There is not enough natural CDC oils in these feathers to fight also the weights of dry flies.  Enter now, GINK.  Gink Keeps It Up. Thanks for listening.  Remember to blow to fluff first. George

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – George: <<Doug Knight was just given a laboratory test and demonstration of CDC Emergers (his choice of flies to test)  in the film, without and WITH Gehrke’s Gink.  I cannot begin to express to all of you, LaCourse in particular and Mike Connor, how wrong  you both are regarding CDC tied flies and Gink.  I have pictures of his CDC Emergers on the bottom, lifeless and floatless without Gehrke’s Gink and the singular Dressed CDC GINK assisted CDC Emerger, the only fly ABLE TO float ON TOP of the water. And how do we know they were truly CDC?  I have true CDC.  I use it on emerger patterns.  I tied up two and did the test with and without Gink.   Both flied floated as I expected them to.  But the Ginked fly did not, I repeat, DID NOT capture air bubbles, while the untreated fly DID.  That is the whole reason for usinging CDC, George.  CDC as a dry fly makes no sense because other materials make better more durable wings.  But you can not beat CDC as an ermerger pattern *if you want to capture air bubbles*.  CDC does that just fine because of its "bottle brush" barbuls.  Reread what Leeson and Schollmeyer say about it.  It is not a mystery, George. Gink or any other floatant *including preening oil* messes up the barbuls and makes the CDC feather *just an ordinary feather*. And why would I go through the expense and bother of tying an emerger pattern that traps air when I could use marabou.  CDC captures air bubbles.  CDC treated with Gink or any floatant does not.  Period. Dave LaCourse

Good question Dave. Since the same Harry Mason tied the flies and also sold an ounce to me, I know that these are the real McCoy’s. Plucked right off the Duck’s Ass. The origanal question as I recall was if GINK would float a CDC fly. Yes, it does. And you proved that yourself. Trapped air on a submerged CDC emerger is another matter. AIR BUBBLES! Gasp! Ole Goerge might think these to be mini "beadheads". I’ll use whatever I can to get fish. Doug Knight On the Snake River under a towering thunderhead tonight!

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CDC flies are deadly effective: they catch trout! When they do, they get slimed and they lose their floating properties.

DRY FLY GRADING SYSTEM: The following works for me: 1)  Squeeze rinse the fly in the stream to get rid of as much trout slime, dirt, etc. as possible.

 _______  You get a Gold Star By your Name. 2)  Dry the fly on shirt or handkerchief (some swine nicked my amadou).

3)  Lightly Gink the CDC.

4)  Wipe off surplus on trousers.

own floatation abilities! 5)  Roll the fly around in the palm of hand in a small pile of powder fly dessicant (cheap stuff, nothing fancy) to remove almost all of the Gink and to unclog and ‘fluff up’ the CDC.

It works for me. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

______  Nice post Tony.   Tight lines — Mr. G. "All’s Fair With Fur or CDC Feathers"  gg http://www.gink.com

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I am selling an old bamboo fly rod, which was most likely made in occupied Japan.  I bought it about 8 months ago or so, and have fished with it 3 times since.  The rod is 9′ and 3 pieces with an extra tip.  I would refer to the rod’s condition as very good; fishable if you have alot of arm strength. I am no bamboo expert, so here are a few more details; all wraps intact, both tips same length, all ferrules seat well, varnish discolored but intact, rod passes the "twist test" without producing any cracking sounds, grip dirty, but intact.  Both tips have some set, one is worse than the other. The rod has one decal on it, it is red and reads "Water Riffle". As people told me, the rod is very heavy compared to modern bamboo, and wears the arm out after twenty minutes of casting.  I considered refinishing it and turning it into a 6′ banty, but have decided instead to part with it in order to buy a new reel for the three weight I am building.  My wife has severely degraded my fly fishing gear budget, as I went overboard last year. I don’t want the new rod to go without a reel, so this rod is the first thing to sacrifice.. I have a few .jpg pictures I can send as attachments privately to anyone interested in the rod. I can also privately mail you my asking price if you message me privately.  I will not post asking price or the pictures to the group, so if you are interested, mail me at one of the addresses listed below please. — Matt Blickensderfer * A Grouchy German is a Sour Kraut! *

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I am selling an old bamboo fly rod, which was most likely made in occupied Japan.  I bought it about 8 months ago or so, and have fished with it 3 times since.  The rod is 9′ and 3 pieces with an extra tip.  I would refer to the rod’s condition as very good; fishable if you have alot of arm strength. . . I will not post asking price or the pictures to the group, so if you are interested, mail me at one of the addresses listed

MB should be advised this sounds like the bamboo rods mass-produced in Japan for the US market approx. 1970 which sold for about $25. (They were good value overall.  Two out of three were junk, but one in three fished very nicely.  I could show you to within 6 inches where I caught my first trout on a fly on such an outfit….) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Never been to Alaska…..But I’m very interested in going this summer toseethe sights and get in some fishing….I hear it is unbelievable! Can someone share information about their trips and make suggestionsforsomeone that has never been there before?  Where in Alaska to go? Motorhome rentals? Lodge rentals? Fishing vacation packages? Fishing Guides? Best time of year to go? Etc.

When I was there it was August and the fishing was fantastic!  We had some business to attend to in Anchorage, but were able to mix in 2 and 1/2 days fishing in Seward (about 2 1/2 hours south of Anchorage).  We fished in the Silver Salmon Derby and I actually had one fish that was in the top 15 fish on the first day, but didn’t stay there very long.  I would like to go back in late May/early June to get in on some of the barn door size halibut.  The days are so long you can fish almost 24 hours a day…it’s really a novel experience.  We fished on a Thu. afternoon and were scheduled to fish again Fri, but by the time the boat got in Thu (around 9 pm) and we got the fish cleaned and stowed at the packing company then had some dinner it was well after midnight.  Since we had to be back at 7 am to fish in Seward it made no sense to go back to Anchorage (5 hour round trip) so we started to look for a hotel.  Since the derby was going on the 2 hotels were all booked up.  So we did what a lot of folks do…3 of us spent the night in the rental car – at least it was an Explorer and had some room.  We fished until late afternoon on Friday, rushed back to Anchorage, packed our bags and just made our flight Friday night.  Dog tired…but worth every minute.  I can’t wait to go back. Brian Raines Publisher, TheChesapeakeBay.com http://TheChesapeakeBay.com

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Alaska is definitely ALL it’s cracked up to be.   Last year we fished for king salmon on the Talkeetna River and halibut out of Homer.   We stayed mostly in B&B’s, but rented cabins in several locations.  We were there in late June and early July, and found the weather to be perfect.   There are many good packages, but we just did our own thing with quite a bit of internet research in advance.    It sounds like most of the higher priced lodgings in Anchorage will provide fish storage.  But for us more rustic accomodation seekers, it seems the best advice I’ve gotten so far is the airport storage facility which can be reached at 907-248-3485.   Thanks so much to everyone who has offered advice.  If I can help anyone with Alaska plans, would be glad to.  Marcia

  What kind of prices did you pay for the B&B’s and the cabins? Bill

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The B&B’s we stayed in ranged from $70 to $100 per night, the cabins  were $70 – $125.  These prices were for 2 people, although most places had room for extra people for $10 to $20 each per night.   I’m going with a group of 6 people this summer.   Our costs per night range from $150. to a high of $256. for all 6.   These prices usually include a full breakfast.     Marcia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  What kind of prices did you pay for the B&B’s and the cabins? Bill

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Never been to Alaska…..But I’m very interested in going this summer to see the sights and get in some fishing….I hear it is unbelievable! Can someone share information about their trips and make suggestions for someone that has never been there before?  Where in Alaska to go? Motorhome rentals? Lodge rentals? Fishing vacation packages? Fishing Guides? Best time of year to go? Etc. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I went to Alaska and fished I had the lodge pack and freeze the fish before I flew out.  Then when I got to my hotel in Anchorage they had a locker that they put the whole box in overnight.  Most hotels have this kind of facility for anglers and hunters.  Ewok I’ll be fishing in Alaska this summer with my family.   We fly home on July 5 and are looking for a cold storage facility in Anchorage where we can store our fish over night before the flight home.  Can you advise us as to a business that would be open to receive our fish on July 4?   Any help you

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Alaska is definitely ALL it’s cracked up to be.   Last year we fished for king salmon on the Talkeetna River and halibut out of Homer.   We stayed mostly in B&B’s, but rented cabins in several locations.  We were there in late June and early July, and found the weather to be perfect.   There are many good packages, but we just did our own thing with quite a bit of internet research in advance.    It sounds like most of the higher priced lodgings in Anchorage will provide fish storage.  But for us more rustic accomodation seekers, it seems the best advice I’ve gotten so far is the airport storage facility which can be reached at 907-248-3485.   Thanks so much to everyone who has offered advice.  If I can help anyone with Alaska plans, would be glad to.  Marcia

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I lead fishing tours in AK every year and the easiest place for your to do overnight storage is at the Anchorage Airport freezer locker.  There is a small fee for this but it is really convenient. If you need to have charters set up or information in the Kenai Penninsula, Homer or highway road to Denali, please feel free to email me at Michael Milne, Owner Outdoor Odyssey

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When I went to Alaska and fished I had the lodge pack and freeze the fish before I flew out.  Then when I got to my hotel in Anchorage they had a locker that they put the whole box in overnight.  Most hotels have this kind of facility for anglers and hunters.  Ewok – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be fishing in Alaska this summer with my family.   We fly home on July 5 and are looking for a cold storage facility in Anchorage where we can store our fish over night before the flight home.  Can you advise us as to a business that would be open to receive our fish on July 4?   Any help you

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Marcia, We fished in Seward two summers ago for a 5 day stretch – mixed up with some business in between.  (Seward is about 2 1/2 hours south of Anchorage)  At the dock there was a company that would vacuum pack your fish, quick freeze and store them and then ship them to you AFTER you left for home.  Worked great for us, even if the fish thawed slightly during shipping they were vacuum packed. We had around 80-100 lbs of halibut and salmon shipped from Alaska to our home on the East Coast in August and it worked great!  I would recommend this course of action highly. Best of luck… Brian Raines Publisher, TheChesapeakeBay.com http://TheChesapeakeBay.com I’ll be fishing in Alaska this summer with my family.   We fly home on July 5 and are looking for a cold storage facility in Anchorage where we can store our fish over night before the flight home.  Can you advise us as to a business that would be open to receive our fish on July 4?   Any help you

Brian Raines Publisher, TheChesapeakeBay.com http://TheChesapeakeBay.com

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I’ll be fishing in Alaska this summer with my family.   We fly home on July 5 and are looking for a cold storage facility in Anchorage where we can store our fish over night before the flight home.  Can you advise us as to a business that would be open to receive our fish on July 4?   Any help you

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[deleted] Dont kid your self my FFing kin Peta hates you catch and release types as much as the tournament pros. But they have no defensible position against subsistence fishing or hunting or these as a component of wildlife management. Man shall have dominion over the beasts.

True, but they do have money and money buys influence and power. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

Marty P.E.T.A   People for the Ethical Termination of Antihunters If we are not supposed to eat animals…then why are they made out of meat?

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– — TimW Halfordian Golfer [deleted] Dont kid your self my FFing kin Peta hates you catch and release types as much as the tournament pros. But they have no defensible position against subsistence fishing or hunting or these as a component of wildlife management. Man shall have dominion over the beasts. True, but they do have money and money buys influence and power.

They do not have as much money as The Church does and that is where I’ll take the case when I am banned from harvesting God’s bounty. TimW

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Man didn’t make it to the top of the food chain to eat grass!!!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] Dont kid your self my FFing kin Peta hates you catch and release types as much as the tournament pros. But they have no defensible position against subsistence fishing or hunting or these as a component of wildlife management. Man shall have dominion over the beasts. True, but they do have money and money buys influence and power. — TimW Halfordian Golfer Marty P.E.T.A   People for the Ethical Termination of Antihunters If we are not supposed to eat animals…then why are they made out of meat?

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They do not have as much money as The Church does and that is where I’ll take the case when I am banned from harvesting God’s bounty.

So the Religious Right takes on the AR Wacko’s? Here’s a preview: RR: Man was given dominion over the beasts of the field,        and the birds of the air, and of the fish that swim in the        sea.  They’re ours to use for our benefit, by authority        of Holy Writ. AR: Didn’t someone say, "Thou shalt not kill?".  Nothing was        said about which species, was it?  Huh?  Huh? RR: Don’t get smart with me, tofu-breath!  May I point out that        mankind was cast out of the Garden for eating, not meat,        but an APPLE! AR: Hey, who died and made you God?!?  I don’t have to take that        kind of crap from any wild-eyed, Bible-quotin’ Bambi-blaster! RR: Defiler of Gods Word! AR:  Devourer of the innocent! RR:  Tofu-sucking worm!! AR:  Meat-eating carnivore!! RR:  Slime!!! AR:  Pig!!! <sound of fisticuffs.  Divers alarums and excursions I’ll bring the popcorn.  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Hello, Under "Fishin’ is Fishin’ " this suggestion, that I could tell, brought no support, so I’m trying it under this heading:  "Support each other." Would anybody else care to urge that, in this new year, we all support fish, fishing, and. . .each other?  Your way, his way, her way, their way–of fishing?  Isn’t it all great?  Isn’t it all, after all, OUR WAY? Regards, Jess Thompson

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Jesse: fishin’ is fishin’ and I agree we should support each other even when we disagree ;^). Ralph H – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello, Under "Fishin’ is Fishin’ " this suggestion, that I could tell, brought no support, so I’m trying it under this heading:  "Support each other." Would anybody else care to urge that, in this new year, we all support fish, fishing, and. . .each other?  Your way, his way, her way, their way–of fishing?  Isn’t it all great?  Isn’t it all, after all, OUR WAY? Regards, Jess Thompson

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Great sentiment but it doesn’t generate much interaction or reaction.  It’s just like the news on TV or in the papers, never any good news like how someone saved another persons life, how a policeman came to the aid of a harrassed citizen, how a ghetto kid scored the highest on his SATs etc.  All we get is bad news & the more sensational the better.  It seems that good news just bores people. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Under "Fishin’ is Fishin’ " this suggestion, that I could tell, brought no support, so I’m trying it under this heading:  "Support each other." Would anybody else care to urge that, in this new year, we all support fish, fishing, and. . .each other?  Your way, his way, her way, their way–of fishing?  Isn’t it all great?  Isn’t it all, after all, OUR WAY? Regards, Jess Thompson

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Hello, Under "Fishin’ is Fishin’ " this suggestion, that I could tell, brought no support, so I’m trying it under this heading:  "Support each other."

Sorry, but it’s just too sappy a subject to get much followup, IMO. I mean, really, where do you want it to go ? "I love you Ralph !" "I love you too Moe !" Conflict is *good*, man, it preceeds real progress. Would anybody else care to urge that, in this new year, we all support fish, fishing, and. . .each other?  Your way, his way, her way, their way–of fishing?  Isn’t it all great?  Isn’t it all, after all, OUR WAY?

No… No way in hell will I ever support: 1) Bassmasters 2) Jackson Hole One Fly (or any fishing competition, with the exception of the Martha’s Vineyard Derby) 3) Fern Bar fly shops 4) Wet Golfing 5) Fishermen that do not like to eat fish — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No… No way in hell will I ever support: 1) Bassmasters 2) Jackson Hole One Fly (or any fishing competition, with the exception of the Martha’s Vineyard Derby) 3) Fern Bar fly shops 4) Wet Golfing 5) Fishermen that do not like to eat fish — TimW Halfordian Golfer

I regard to point #5. I’m allergic to fish; does that count? John Knight Sydney FlyRodders’

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No… No way in hell will I ever support: 1) Bassmasters 2) Jackson Hole One Fly (or any fishing competition, with the exception of the Martha’s Vineyard Derby) 3) Fern Bar fly shops 4) Wet Golfing 5) Fishermen that do not like to eat fish — TimW Halfordian Golfer

I do so want you to like me.  I’m safe on 1 to 4 but do I qualify for point 5 if I went to the Thistle yesterday and had fish & chips with a pint of Tartan? Peter

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Absolutely support each other on the water.  Share the pop or beer, give away patterns that are working, occaisionally tell of a relatively well known spot that is fishing well.         But in here, let the melting and melding of ideas and emotion flow freely.  The back and forth of opposing views is a big part of a news group like this.  If this was nothing more than the exchange of information it would lose it’s appeal for me – probably alot of us. JE

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I do so want you to like me.  I’m safe on 1 to 4 but do I qualify for point 5 if I went to the Thistle yesterday and had fish & chips with a pint of Tartan?

Do you practice Zero Retention for Cod ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do so want you to like me.  I’m safe on 1 to 4 but do I qualify for point 5 if I went to the Thistle yesterday and had fish & chips with a pint of Tartan? Do you practice Zero Retention for Cod ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer

Tim Only after a bowel movement. Peter

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Amongst our fellow anglers we may quarrel and disagree at length.  But when it comes to animal rights types (PETA, fund for animals, Pieces etc.) we must stand with the worm dunker and the Bassmaster or shurly we will all fall.  Dont kid your self my FFing kin Peta hates you catch and release types as much as the tournament pros.     Hello, Under "Fishin’ is Fishin’ " this suggestion, that I could tell, brought no support, so I’m trying it under this heading:  "Support each other."

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[deleted] Dont kid your self my FFing kin Peta hates you catch and release types as much as the tournament pros.

But they have no defensible position against subsistence fishing or hunting or these as a component of wildlife management. Man shall have dominion over the beasts. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Tim W. wrote But they have no defensible position against subsistence fishing or hunting or these as a component of wildlife management.

they dont need a defensible position, there nuts! They think everyone should live a strict vegan lifestyle. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Man shall have dominion over the beasts. Amen. — <snip

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I’m planning on spending several weeks fishing BC lakes this year.  I am looking at the area between Merrit and Kamloops and the area between 100 Mole House and Lttle Fort. I am planning the trip for the first part of July .  I could delay it for a few weeks.  Question:  Given the snow pack this year, would the beginning of July be a reasonable time to fish this area?  Also would appreciate any other advise anyone may care to offer. Thanks in advance. Jim

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No don’t delay go then! Best fishing is may-june into July. fishing holds into July Aug only when the weather is unusually coldin spring early summer. Early July will give you a shot at traveller sedge hatches. other than that major hatches (chironomids, damsels, dragons) are over or on the wane. Expect to fish scuds and leeches Good luck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m planning on spending several weeks fishing BC lakes this year.  I am looking at the area between Merrit and Kamloops and the area between 100 Mole House and Lttle Fort. I am planning the trip for the first part of July .  I could delay it for a few weeks.  Question:  Given the snow pack this year, would the beginning of July be a reasonable time to fish this area?  Also would appreciate any other advise anyone may care to offer. Thanks in advance. Jim

Ralph H "…      the sabbath rang slowly      in the pebbles of the holy streams!" Dylan Thomas, "Fern Hill"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m planning on spending several weeks fishing BC lakes this year.  I am looking at the area between Merrit and Kamloops and the area between 100 Mole House and Lttle Fort. I am planning the trip for the first part of July .  I could delay it for a few weeks.  Question:  Given the snow pack this year, would the beginning of July be a reasonable time to fish this area?  Also would appreciate any other advise anyone may care to offer. Thanks in advance. Jim

Brian Chan has an excellent video  "Stillwater strategies vol II" if your looking for techniques and patterns in Kamloops area. — The views expressed are my own and does not represent those of my employer.

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I’m planning on spending several weeks fishing BC lakes this year.  I am looking at the area between Merrit and Kamloops and the area between 100 Mole House and Lttle Fort.

I will be fishing up in the Thompson-Nicola plateau (i.e. between Merritt and Kamloops) in about 4 weeks. Some of the higher lakes will still be iced at that time, but you’ll have no problems by July. As for further north – again, you should be out of ice by late May virtually everywhere in the area. I am planning the trip for the first part of July .  I could delay it for a few weeks.  Question:  Given the snow pack this year, would the beginning of July be a reasonable time to fish this area?  Also would appreciate any other advise anyone may care to offer.

Because of the snowpack, some of the *streams* will be a bit tough this year. However, most streams in that area are closed until June 30 anyway. The lakes will be just fine. 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (250) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (250) 368-9341

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m planning on spending several weeks fishing BC lakes this year.  I am looking at the area between Merrit and Kamloops and the area between 100 Mole House and Lttle Fort. I am planning the trip for the first part of July .  I could delay it for a few weeks.  Question:  Given the snow pack this year, would the beginning of July be a reasonable time to fish this area?  Also would appreciate any other advise anyone may care to offer. Thanks in advance. Jim

My friends and I are going the May long weekend to 100 mile house, hopefully the weather is warm, we plan on hitting the lowest elevation lakes around the area, concentrating on shallower lakes. A good source for info is a tackle shop just out side of 100 mile house near Lac la Hache(sp?), the shop is called FLY-R-US I think. The owner is very informative of which lake is fishable. You can’t miss the shop, it is right on the highway, look for the big sign of a fly. I think July should be alright for fishing in 100 mile area.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] This is a form of hunting, no more no less, with all of the qualities of hunting.  This is not golf. It is not a game. It involves an animal. You are sticking sharpened steel into an animals face. If this bothers you, then you might want to consider something else… God, Tim you sure the life of the party these days. Howdy Don, Just applying the "does he want to flyfish or just look like ‘a flyfisher’ test big guy… I, do NOT welcome ‘all’ newbies to the sport in some kind of "Barneyesque Lemming Hugs and Kisses" fashion.

        i couldn’t agree more.  in fact, there are quite a few "old boys" out there that could use a lot less time on the water in the carolina blue ridge. Maybe it’s because I don’t want to sell them anything.

        once again, right on the nose, timbo.  please see "orvis jeeps", "orvis trout schools", "orvis approved guides" for documentation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -TimW

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He said I did not need any flys for now just practice with the pole. Sure…., put a fly to the line and practice in a bass water or whatever U like to catch. Best training there is, and who knows, U even migth catch something. I saw a martin bass rig for 49.95 in Bass Pro’s spring catalog.  Will this be a good learner set? Thanks John

Put a fly on the line when you practice and use a leader/tippet of about 9feet as this will alter the way your line will cast.  It does not cast properly without a fly and you will even notice a change when you use different weight flies.   Also, I agree with the other guy, go practice on some water, choose a place where there is not too much vegitation to get caught up in and don’t try to cast too far first off, accuracy is far more important when your starting out. Good luck and stick with it, once you get the hang of it you’ll never use a baitcaster again! Darren (New Zealand)

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: I, do NOT welcome ‘all’ newbies to the sport in some kind of : "Barneyesque Lemming Hugs and Kisses" fashion. Allright!  I’m pretty sure this is our first Barney reference.  Way to go Tim. —

No,  I’ve made several Barney remarks…but, I do always keep in mind…                   "Everyone is someone elses Barney" XXXOOO’s TimW

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I just took my first fly fishing weekend course. I liked it. I could see myself doing it better than I ever spin or bait fished. My instructor told me to get a 5/6 pole and weight forward line with a reel of some type.

Skip the WF line and go for a Double Taper instead……You won’t get the same distance but it’s much easier to learn to do other than the "standard" overhead cast…….It’s probably cheaper too…… He said I did not need any flys for now just practice with the pole.

Sure…., put a fly to the line and practice in a bass water or whatever U like to catch. Best training there is, and who knows, U even migth catch something. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I saw a martin bass rig for 49.95 in Bass Pro’s spring catalog.  Will this be a good learner set? Thanks John

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Chief-petty-officer to the newbie – Boy, we need to tie that down, go to supply and get me a 100′ of shoreline. While you’re out pick up a bucket of relative bearing grease…

Oh, I think it got left on the signal bridge. Either there or in shaft alley #3.  Better check both places. kill -9 -1 | sort | init                         1965 IH Scout                         1908 Win 30-30                  

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I’d like to hear if others have received replacements from Cortland (or your local fly shops).  Has the problem been fixed? (I just bought a Lazer 4wt.) Your thoughts will be appreciated. TK

My Lazerline began cracking after about 3 or 4 uses. Cortland  will replace cracked lines (through the shop from which it was purchased, if you prefer, and if they have them in stock, this way is quickest).  However, although Cortland has claimed to have fixed the problem, the manager of the local fly shop from which my line was purchased claims that 1 in 3 replacement lines still come back prematurely cracked.  I will continue to have mine replaced as long as I can get an immediate replacement at Cortland’s expense, but I’ll never purchase another Lazerline. GPS

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I also have difficulty with laserline cracking.  I had a 4 wt., 7 wt., 9wt. all crack after very little fishing time.  I thought it was my fault for storage.  I asked at the fly shop where I bought them and he said there had been only one other complaint.  All in all I would say the line cracked in about 1/2 the time I usually get out of a fly line. FlyphishR

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Had my laserline crack within the first year, also (they used to call it Lasterline, but had to change the name). My vote’s for SA SUPREME, if you can trust a line that doesn’t cost you $50! Have a Triangle taper on a reel I don’t use much…it did not revolutionize the way I fish, and am not sure that I can roll cast any better on it than any other line, although maybe it shines on LONG roll casts, something I am not prone to attempt… Lon C. Diehl

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My 8wt Laserline fractured at the point where the line came off the reel after my average cast. The break in the coating was clean and the core remained intact.  After a call to Courtland a replacement quickly arrived. The new line (2nd season now) seems better. HH — Harrison Hubard,Jr. 202 Berkshire Rd Richmond,Va 23221

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I was recently informed by a fellow fly fisherman that lazerline in his experience began to crack quite prematurely. As i am considering updating my lines this year I would appreciate any info. Also what about  Lee Wulfs triangle taper?comments? cheers — gp

Your fellow fly fisherman put you on the right track!  The Cortland444-lazerline does not hold up.  Right away you can tell something is wrong with line- it feels rough through the rod guides- and decreases over all casting accuracy at distances over twenty-five feet of so.  Cracking makes itself present after just a few months of normal use.                      *  As You Marinate your Sean R Borgerson   *  Melon With My Words…        Vancouver, WA.    *  …I’ll Be Matching the                    *  Hatch On The River Of                    *  Choice        

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yes I have had that problem too.  I’m just going to wait and go back to a SA mastery 3.  Which I feel casts much better anyway.  

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I was recently informed by a fellow fly fisherman that lazerline in his experience began to crack quite prematurely. As i am considering updating my lines this year I would appreciate any info. Also what about  Lee Wulfs triangle taper?comments? cheers — gp

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I have had extreme cracking problems with my 3 wt lazerline.  They have been nice enough to replace it THREE times, but it is a real pain waiting.

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Mt dad sent his Laser lines back to Cortland and they replaced them for free.  Said that early models had plastic compound problems.  Send ‘em back, bet yu get afree one (oh yeah, you’ll owe me a beer for the advice!)

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I was recently informed by a fellow fly fisherman that lazerline in his experience began to crack quite prematurely. As i am considering updating my lines this year I would appreciate any info. Also what about  Lee Wulfs triangle taper?comments?

I had a 6wt. lazer that I REALLY liked…after about 8 months it began cracking and was soon un-fishable.  I didn’t think too much of it and replaced it with another brand (simply because I was on a trip at the time and that’s all I could get…I would have prefered another Lazer).  I had no idea others were experiencing the same problem and never thought of sending it back to be replaced   I’d like to hear if others have received replacements from Cortland (or your local fly shops).  Has the problem been fixed? (I just bought a Lazer 4wt.) Your thoughts will be appreciated. TK

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writes: I have had extreme cracking problems with my 3 wt lazerline.  They have been nice enough to replace it THREE times, but it is a real pain waiting.

Is anyone having this problem with Cortland’s other lines?  Incidently, I have heard about this problem from guides I fish with.

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I just purchased a Lazer Line from my local shop. The owner convinced me that it was his favorite line because it was supple. He said the Courtland people said they had some trouble with their early lines but had fixed the problem. He said if the line wore out too soon he would replace the line. Richard Warren Raleigh, NC

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