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What other forms of government issued id except for passport, driver’s license or state id card are valid for boarding a plane?  If I have a badge from a government agency that has my name and picture is that considered "governmnet issued"?   Bob

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What other forms of government issued id except for passport, driver’s license or state id card are valid for boarding a plane?  If I have a badge from a government agency that has my name and picture is that considered "governmnet issued"?

In the past couple years I’ve flown with people from State, Justice, Homeland Security, and HHS and they’ve all managed with just their photo badge. If yours is from a satellite office of the Department of Collectible Miniatures Assessment or something then you might want to go ahead and dust off the driver’s license. miguel — See the world from your web browser: http://travel.u.nu/

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This was before the 11th, but a Delta person explained it to me once (because my license was not with me at the time, I know, check before leaving home) that anything issued by any government would be OK.  Voter Reg, passport, fishing license, library card etc.  At the time if you didn’t have a photo ID then a government issued something and another piece of ID worked. I actually ended up using my car insurance ID card (had the state’s name on it and my name on it and another ID and they said OK to fly.  Running back to get it from the lot stunk, but I got on the plane. So, I would assume you would be ok with a badge and picture. As an aside, the photo ID or one government issued non photo and one other still appears to be in place at the airlines, this is from one site, so the library card and credit card would in theory still work, though I wouldn’t want to test it.  The Airline may use these guidelines to issue the ticket and boarding pass, though I don’t believe the TSA has anything other then a Photo ID in their policies. —-start All passengers over the age of 18 are required to provide positive identification for travel at check-in. A photo ID issued by a local, state or federal government agency, or two forms of non-photo ID (at least one issued by a local, state, or federal government agency, such as a Social Security card) are acceptable forms of identification to present at check-in. If traveling outside the country, please remember to keep your passport and/or travel documents on you or in your carry-on bag at all times. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What other forms of government issued id except for passport, driver’s license or state id card are valid for boarding a plane?  If I have a badge from a government agency that has my name and picture is that considered "governmnet issued"?   Bob

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This was before the 11th, but a Delta person explained it to me once (because my license was not with me at the time, I know, check before leaving home) that anything issued by any government would be OK.  Voter Reg, passport, fishing license, library card etc.  At the time if you didn’t have a photo ID then a government issued something and another piece of ID worked. I actually ended up using my car insurance ID card (had the state’s name on it and my name on it and another ID and they said OK to fly.  Running back to get it from the lot stunk, but I got on the plane. So, I would assume you would be ok with a badge and picture.

Just last week, a friend of mine got to the airport and discovered that he’d grabbed his wife’s passport instead of his own on his way out the door that morning.  This friend doesn’t drive, so no license.  He went through everything in his wallet.  No picture cards or badges of any sort.   The check-in agent was apparently satisfied that he was who he said he was, and she told him that security would give him the full inspection. So he got the total body wanding and had all his carry-ons searched.  It was determined that he posed no threat to anyone and he got on the plane. His wife overnighted the right passport to his hotel. So the photo ID thing is mostly charade.  Considering that any 16-year-old knows where to get a fake ID, it seems rather pointless.

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What other forms of government issued id except for passport, driver’s license or state id card are valid for boarding a plane?  If I have a badge from a government agency that has my name and picture is that considered "governmnet issued"?   Bob

For an authoritative answer, check with the airline. If you’re referring to a flight that originates in the United States, you can also probably find this information on the web at http://www.tsa.gov or perhaps at http://travel.state.gov

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What other forms of government issued id except for passport, driver’s license or state id card are valid for boarding a plane?  If I have a badge from a government agency that has my name and picture is that considered "governmnet issued"?   Bob

Short answer – yes.

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What other forms of government issued id except for passport, driver’s license or state id card are valid for boarding a plane?  If I have a badge from a government agency that has my name and picture is that considered "governmnet issued"?   Bob

In which country? Cheers, Jason.

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Last year, my husband lost his driver’s license while we were down in Arizona.  He didn’t realize it until he was checking in at the airport. The only thing with his picture on it was his Jury license from the International Bobsled and Skeleton Federation.  He showed it and he was let through Security. Kitty Panza

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I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.

You might find this useful; http://www.fishing-hunting.com/fishingnews/terrylawton/article3.htm TL MC

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Scott, that’s pretty much the way it works here except this may vary according to the library’s program… The feature here is called ‘ILL’ (Inter Library Loan). My Library’s website does not search the interlibrary loan database. That search (for a particular book) has to be done by the librarian.. There is a cost….50 cents.,…..to read any book out there and man there is a lot! We’re talking collectors items…oops. john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome  which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.Before my illness I lived to fish and flyfished anytime I could.My local Libary carries very few fly fishing titles and most are old. My question is are there any online libaries or sources that loan books? I was buying some used but I have a wife and three kids so have to watch the budget.Are there any good web sights that have alot of info on fly tieing and fishing. Thank you. KCL ”I’m Ready , Im Ready”   ~Spongebob Squarepants~ You didn’t mention your location (big city, small town).  Most libraries I know of have extensive interlibrary loan programs these days, and the service has been way enhanced in recent years by the internet. Find the books you want, via fishing mags, fishing sites, or even Amazon’s search engine (which I go to before trying my university library search if I need an ISBN number), then go to your libraries web site and request the book.  You’ll get an email when it gets in, and your wife or you can pick it up. If you have trouble, call the reference desk at your library and see if they can help.  Librarians can be very creative to meet special needs. Also, call your state conservation office to find out if there are any special opportunities for handicapped fisherman.  Whether you’re ready for it today or need to wait a little more into your recovery, eventually you’ll want to get out and there are ways to facilitate that. Good Luck, Scott

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome  which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.Before my illness I lived to fish and flyfished anytime I could.My local Libary carries very few fly fishing titles and most are old. My question is are there any online libaries or sources that loan books? I was buying some used but I have a wife and three kids so have to watch the budget.Are there any good web sights that have alot of info on fly tieing and fishing. Thank you. KCL ”I’m Ready , Im Ready”   ~Spongebob Squarepants~

You didn’t mention your location (big city, small town).  Most libraries I know of have extensive interlibrary loan programs these days, and the service has been way enhanced in recent years by the internet. Find the books you want, via fishing mags, fishing sites, or even Amazon’s search engine (which I go to before trying my university library search if I need an ISBN number), then go to your libraries web site and request the book.  You’ll get an email when it gets in, and your wife or you can pick it up. If you have trouble, call the reference desk at your library and see if they can help.  Librarians can be very creative to meet special needs. Also, call your state conservation office to find out if there are any special opportunities for handicapped fisherman.  Whether you’re ready for it today or need to wait a little more into your recovery, eventually you’ll want to get out and there are ways to facilitate that. Good Luck, Scott

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 I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.Before my illness I lived to fish and flyfished anytime I could.My local Libary carries very few fly fishing titles and most are old. My question is are there any online libaries or sources that loan books? I was buying some used but I have a wife and three kids so have to watch the budget.Are there any good web sights that have alot of info on fly tieing and fishing. Thank you. KCL ”I’m Ready , Im Ready”   ~Spongebob Squarepants~

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John, that’s an inspiration to aspiring Grandads throughout ROFF. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Grandma and I had #1 and #2 grandsons this afternoon fishing Foothill Lake in Palo Alto.  #2 is two years old and, with Grandma, was tossing his Snoopy rod and reel with the practice casting plug everywhere, sometimes in the water <g!  #1 is 8 years old and ALWAYS catches more fish with Dad than with Grandpa <g!  #1 was tossing Powerbait, worms and marshmallows all over the lake with no luck but he was doing a good job.  Late in the day, the following occurred: He:  Look at that guy on the dock, Grandpa.  What is he fishing with? Me: A fly rod. He:  Isn’t that what you fish with? Me: Yes. He:  That looks like fun.  (Heart twinges) Me:  It is. He:  It looks hard. Me:  Well, it takes training.  Like bicycle riding or a skate board. He:  They’re easy, Grandpa. What’s he doing now? Me:  Stripping a fly imitating a minnow. He:  That looks like lots of fun (Heart Jumps). Me:  It is. He:  Would you show me how?  (BE STILL MY HEART) Me:  OK, whenever you want too. He:  Takes spin outfit, sits on rock and watches caster roll casting, double hauling and practicing long beautiful casts for good 5 minutes <WOW. She:  (Watching #1 watching fly caster) to me:  BE STILL MY HEART. Me:  OK Bud, it’s time to go. He:  Grandpa, will you teach me how to fly fish? HEART IN MY THROAT!!! Me:  Too choked up to say anything but SURE – Who’s Hungry? He:  Later he said:  "Mom Grandpa is going to show me how to fly fish!" She:  (Rolls eyes) Oh, he IS is he?  to me "How did you arrange that?" Me:  It’s in the genes <g!

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<snip A most delightful post, John. And a great lesson to one who pushed too hard to get my kids to embrace my sport.  Ah!!! But when the grandchildren come along. Patience, patience and patience. Perhaps.<G Thanks Kiyu

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You are indeed a lucky fellow.  Great post.  Looking forward to hearing how he progresses.  If only every 8 year old was as lucky …. Cheers and TLs. Natty

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Grandma and I had #1 and #2 grandsons this afternoon fishing Foothill Lake in Palo Alto.  #2 is two years old and, with Grandma, was tossing his Snoopy rod and reel with the practice casting plug everywhere, sometimes in the water <g!  #1 is 8 years old and ALWAYS catches more fish with Dad than with Grandpa <g!  #1 was tossing Powerbait, worms and marshmallows all over the lake with no luck but he was doing a good job.  Late in the day, the following occurred: He:  Look at that guy on the dock, Grandpa.  What is he fishing with? Me: A fly rod. He:  Isn’t that what you fish with? Me: Yes. He:  That looks like fun.  (Heart twinges) Me:  It is. He:  It looks hard. Me:  Well, it takes training.  Like bicycle riding or a skate board. He:  They’re easy, Grandpa. What’s he doing now? Me:  Stripping a fly imitating a minnow. He:  That looks like lots of fun (Heart Jumps). Me:  It is. He:  Would you show me how?  (BE STILL MY HEART) Me:  OK, whenever you want too. He:  Takes spin outfit, sits on rock and watches caster roll casting, double hauling and practicing long beautiful casts for good 5 minutes <WOW. She:  (Watching #1 watching fly caster) to me:  BE STILL MY HEART. Me:  OK Bud, it’s time to go. He:  Grandpa, will you teach me how to fly fish? HEART IN MY THROAT!!! Me:  Too choked up to say anything but SURE – Who’s Hungry? He:  Later he said:  "Mom Grandpa is going to show me how to fly fish!" She:  (Rolls eyes) Oh, he IS is he?  to me "How did you arrange that?" Me:  It’s in the genes <g!

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Thanks, that story ruled!  Perhaps you should start shopping for 6 ft fly rods <g Best of luck and congratulations, — Warren Findley

It might be easier for him to learn with an 8 foot rod. About fifteen years ago a friend and I started his eight year old son with my 8 foot 6 weight Cortland. He still uses that rod. I will look forward to meeting him at Flyfish 2002 next year. Big Dale

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<snipped story of Grandson Thanks, that story ruled!  Perhaps you should start shopping for 6 ft fly rods <g Best of luck and congratulations, — Warren Findley

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Heading for RMNP area for 1 1/2-2 weeks this summer, probably mid to late July. Will be camping for part of the time maybe in or north of the park and then spending 4 days in Estes Park. Looking for advice on places to fish and places to avoid. Mostly interested in smaller streams or shallow lakes. Will be wading-no float tube-with a 7′9" 3/4 wt. Once the family is safely in the confines of a cabin or lodge I may take a solo overnight hike to a more remote lake/stream. Any advice on places and patterns will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Mark

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Fished there last summer around July.  I had a great time on the Thompson and on the headwaters of the Colorado.   Usually we could fish till around 4pm before the thunder and lightning rainstorms drove us for cover.  The further you wandered away from the road, the better the fishing got. Although most fish ran 7-10", there were a few larger and some we saw, but could not get to rise in the gin-clear water, that probably went 21/2 to 3lbs.  A 3/4 short rod is a good choice.  On the west side of the park, the Colorado runs into an area that is filthy with beaver dams.  A stealthy approach to the dams brought non-stop action on brookies and cutthroats. The Estes Park Angler in Estes Park is a good source for fly fishing information.  The fish were not that picky.  However, a lime trude sizes 14-16, worked best.  We also picked up fish on elkhair caddis, yellow humpies, hoppers, and stimulators. Randall S. Davis

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Heading for RMNP area for 1 1/2-2 weeks this summer, probably mid to late July. Will be camping for part of the time maybe in or north of the park and then spending 4 days in Estes Park. Looking for advice on places to fish and places to avoid. Mostly interested in smaller streams or shallow lakes. Will be wading-no float tube-with a 7′9" 3/4 wt. Once the family is safely in the confines of a cabin or lodge I may take a solo overnight hike to a more remote lake/stream. Any advice on places and patterns will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Mark

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I’m wondering if any of you know what kind of paint is used on pastic baits and where would  you purchse some if you wanted to paint your own.

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Are you holding out on me, Jim? I didn’t know you were using Pastic Baits!!!!!!! Is that a new sponsor?

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Try Jann’s Netcraft or Lurecraft on the net. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m wondering if any of you know what kind of paint is used on pastic baits and where would  you purchse some if you wanted to paint your own.

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I use airplane model paint  for my bass poppers (the ones with plastic bodies) which I fly fish with. Works well on plastic. Probably would work on metal. So cheap it is probably worth a try unless you get a better suggestion. Regards from Montreal John Brkich

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I use Tester Model Paint it seems to work pretty well FISH-ON FISH-HARD

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It REALLY isn’t necessary to take the entire six ounce tub in the stream with you.  The world is full of containers of all sizes and shapes.  Transferring Albolene from its original container to something more convenient for use in the stream is any easy task.

Film canisters work – used one for abolene for years.  Still carry one as a spare in my wader bag. Peter

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 …..I take the albolene and put some into one of those little "Brand X" bottles thats almost empty! What do you think boys and girls?…..

Actually, I think the "Brand G" would be a better choice.  I hear there’s billions of em out there.

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Hey, I’ve just had a brainstorm.

<Snipped, plan to undermine our glorious capitalist economy Good God man !   Are you trying to undermine the economics of the industry ? Shame on you !  It is mandatory for a flyfisherman to carry several extremely expensive bottles of various substances of doubtful value, and hardly ever to use them.  Ideas like yours, though probably economically sound, and eminently practical, might be the death knell of the industry. Some bugger will be advising us to use cheap rods as well next !  What is the world coming to ? TL MC

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Got to be me! Dave

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   sound advice, as usual, from a man whose ability to discern the truth of a matter is legendary.

Legend has it he did once<g. — Charlie…

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Fished the Big Quilecene river this pm. Lots of summer run Dog salmon carcasses in river. Very few trout. Fished an Orange stimulator, #6 on a 4x, as an October Caddis. You skitter the October caddis, and bob it under the surface to emulate egg laying. Caught handful of little Cutts and 2 chunky sea brite "rainbows" of about 14"  Strong fish. Had tied up a dozen stimulators and dressed all in Albolene nite before. Tried lite and heavy dressings. Both floated the fly, but the heavier dressing of Albolene did better, and still worked after being mouthed by caught fish. Stayed a little too long and went a little too far so had to hoof it back a couple of miles thru dark pastures and highway 101. Luckily my route went by the Laughing Oyster bar. Classic timber town bar. Thankfully no spotted owl on the menu Sunday nights. Dave

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Saturday, October 16, 1999 Wolfgang, …you seem to be an intelligent writer and you find it a point to seek out people at a public board and criticize.  Please, could you explain to me your idea of the ROFF, what it is in your words, and how you contribute?

Why yes, actually I’d be delighted.  ROFF is a public forum to which many people come to exchange ideas and information related to fly fishing and a host of other topics.  I contribute by posting on topic messages whenever I feel that they may satisfy one or more of the following criteria; they must be informative, unique, insightful, amusing, illustrative, or in some other way useful.  I use the same criteria for off topic posts. Now, since there are many regular contributors here whose knowledge of matters related to fly fishing is vastly greater than my own I leave most of the informative answers to fly fishing questions to them.  Given the wide ranging interests of the people who post here it stands to reason that certain topics will come up about which I am in a position to say something worthwhile by virtue of the fact that I am a unique human being with experiences different from anyone else’s.  When that happens I contribute as I can and when the spirit moves me. As for being critical, I plead guilty as charged.  So what?  Early in my career on this NG I was taken to task for daring to offer a definition of a scientific term which many others found lacking, and this is as it should be.  What, after all, is the purpose of a public forum?  Is it not to sift through the dross of ill considered and sloppily propounded opinions in search of the truth?  Or, if you will allow me to switch metaphors, what we are about here is a process of distillation.  We are looking for the pearls of wisdom hidden in the sow’s ear or some such. But enough of that. Let’s get to the point of your criticism so cleverly hidden in what appears to be a question.  So, you don’t like my tone.  Evidently you see me as being unnecessarily quarrelsome or even unkind.  Again, guilty as charged…at least in some cases.  I don’t find this particularly difficult to justify though.  The great beauty of the usenet is that it affords anyone with access the opportunity to say whatever he or she wishes with a guarantee that the message will be available to a wide audience.  The great shortcoming of the usenet is that it affords anyone with access the opportunity to say whatever he or she wishes with a guarantee that the message will be available to a wide audience.  We live in what is called the information age.  Unfortunately a lot of what passes as information is in fact, shit.  And not everyone who passes information via this forum is pure of motive.  All too often some sanctimonious asshole shows up with an agenda that has nothing to do with sharing information or camaraderie.  It’s all about demonstrating that he is a superior being, some kind of Nietzchean Ubermensch.  I suspect that more often than not the underlying motivation is really an attempt to convince himself that he is in fact something more than a waste of valuable space, but that is neither here nor there.  Whenever this occurs I will, in my own humble way, do whatever I can to convince him that this is not a friendly place for such as he.  I am of course aware that others see matters differently than I do and that they have different means of dealing with miscreants.  This too is as it should be.  We have several regulars here who are the very soul of kindness and forbearance. And while I admire their measured responses to people who are not worthy of their attention I cannot be who they are nor act as they do.  Different strokes…. I hope I have cleared up this matter for you.  If not, let me know via email and I’ll expand.    One thing has makes me curious though.  The post to which you responded with your criticism of my criticism was a plea for Kathy not to give up on ROFF.  There was nothing critical in anything I said in that post. In fact, I even pointed out your "small stream fly fishing part III" as an example of a good reason for staying!  It seems to me there would be more appropriate places for you to voice your complaints.  It shouldn’t be at all difficult for you to find a thread in which I took a swipe at someone. Cheers!

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Saturday, October 16, 1999 Wolfgang, …you seem to be an intelligent writer and you find it a point to seek out people at a public board and criticize.  Please, could you explain to me your idea of the ROFF, what it is in your words, and how you contribute? Why yes, actually I’d be delighted.

        (remarkably intelligent response deleted) Cheers!

        who loves ya, baby. wayno

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Albolene.   Costs about eight dollars ( American ) for a big jar. Sorry, forgot source !   Most drugstores and similar.

Hi all, Funny thing – if I say GINK is a terrific floatant  - that is not spam it’s the truth! If George says it, all hell breaks loose! — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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Bill Grey: <<Hi all, Funny thing – if I say GINK is a terrific floatant  - that is not spam it’s the truth! It is a terrific floatant.  I don’t think any one has a problem with that. Dave L.

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For some stupid reason I actually scrolled through this trash. This is the entire reason why I have stopped wasting my time with this group. EGAD!!

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For some stupid reason I actually scrolled through this trash. This is the entire reason why I have stopped wasting my time with this group. EGAD!!

here and say, "Hey!  Come on over to the Camp Site and join into the discussion about spamming!"  (?) Okay Kathy, I think we understand why you actually scrolled through this question.  Thanks for our opinion. Mr. G.

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Hey Ernie, or whoever remembers Whats the name of that hand cream you said was a great floatant? Where can you buy it? How much does it cost? Dave

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Im going to give this stuff a try. Just found out you can order Albolene floatant on the web for $6 a 6 oz jar. Fact is they sell it in case lots, and probably by the carload. Just in case anyone else is interested, here is their web address. http://cdesb.com/ Dave

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Hey Ernie, or whoever remembers Whats the name of that hand cream you said was a great floatant? Where can you buy it? How much does it cost? Dave

Albolene.   Costs about eight dollars ( American ) for a big jar. TL MC

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Albolene.   Costs about eight dollars ( American ) for a big jar.

Sorry, forgot source !   Most drugstores and similar.

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oh, come on, isn’t worth $2.49  for you to have the convenience of an applicator bottle ? Or do you ant to go streamside with a 6 oz. jar hanging from your vest ? BTW, George when you coming out with a upside down applicator ?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Im going to give this stuff a try. Just found out you can order Albolene floatant on the web for $6 a 6 oz jar. Fact is they sell it in case lots, and probably by the carload. Just in case anyone else is interested, here is their web address. http://cdesb.com/ Dave

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oh, come on, isn’t worth $2.49  for you to have the convenience of an applicator bottle ? Or do you ant to go streamside with a 6 oz. jar hanging from your vest ?

Can’t you fill an applicator bottle from the jar? I have never seen the stuff so I have no idea if it can be done or not, but I am sure someone out there already has (or tried).  Info? Tips? Warren Remember, men will come and men will go, but the streams and mountains go on forever. -Bob Carmichael

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Somewhere along the way I picked up a little holster thingy that holds the Gink bottle upside down, clipped to a zinger on my vest.  Label says "Gus’s Original Montana Flot-Pak".  Damned if I know where I picked it up at, but it works fine. — Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – oh, come on, isn’t worth $2.49  for you to have the convenience of an applicator bottle ? Or do you ant to go streamside with a 6 oz. jar hanging from your vest ? BTW, George when you coming out with a upside down applicator ? Im going to give this stuff a try. Just found out you can order Albolene floatant on the web for $6 a 6 oz jar. Fact is they sell it in case lots, and probably by the carload. Just in case anyone else is interested, here is their web address. http://cdesb.com/ Dave

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For some stupid reason I actually scrolled through this trash. This is the entire reason why I have stopped wasting my time with this group. EGAD!!

Don’t leave Kathy!  Lots of reasons to stay.  For example, see Adam’s "small stream fly fishing Part III" above.  In addition Mu shared a lovely story with us just yesterday.  Mike is back with with his valedictorian versification…….the list goes on.  Life goes on and ROFF is still the last best place around!

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oh, come on, isn’t worth $2.49  for you to have the convenience of an applicator bottle ? Or do you ant to go streamside with a 6 oz. jar hanging from your vest ?

It REALLY isn’t necessary to take the entire six ounce tub in the stream with you.  The world is full of containers of all sizes and shapes.  Transferring Albolene from its original container to something more convenient for use in the stream is any easy task.

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 Somewhere along the way I picked up a little holster thingy that holds the Gink bottle upside down, clipped to a zinger on my vest.  Label says "Gus’s Original Montana Flot-Pak".  Damned if I know where I picked it up at, but it works fine.

     If you are a real cheapskate (I am) you can make your own bottle holder. All the hardware stores sell black plastic 1" table leg end caps, they are usually come packaged four for a buck. These will snugly hold most of the gooey floatants (if you still use the stuff), most brands come in the same size bottle. Burn two holes in the base with a hot dubbing needle and tie in a loop of leader butt material. Voila- make one for yourself and impress three friends for a buck.

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For some stupid reason I actually scrolled through this trash. This is the entire reason why I have stopped wasting my time with this group. EGAD!!

Filter all but those from A. Wayne Harrison….he is the young Marlon Brando. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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For some stupid reason I actually scrolled through this trash. This is the entire reason why I have stopped wasting my time with this group. EGAD!! Filter all but those from A. Wayne Harrison….he is the young Marlon Brando. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

    sound advice, as usual, from a man whose ability to discern the truth of a matter is legendary. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Hey, I’ve just had a brainstorm.  OK ready?  What about this:  I take the albolene and put some into one of those little "Brand X" bottles thats almost empty! What do you think boys and girls? Will this work? Betcha it will. Dave

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Based on 47 years of fly fishing experience, this how to book will help you learn more simply and improve your fly fishing success. STALKING THE SABERTOOTH RAINBOW is now in over 80 stores in Oregon and Montana. It works!

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Based on 47 years of fly fishing experience, this how to book will help you learn more simply and improve your fly fishing success. STALKING THE SABERTOOTH RAINBOW is now in over 80 stores in Oregon and Montana. It works!

Whassat? Hey, Walt, Did you get Marie an AOL account? — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC Nine words never seen on a tombstone: " I wish I’d spent more time at the office."                                                                 …author unknown

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Based on 47 years of fly fishing experience, this how to book will help you learn more simply and improve your fly fishing success. STALKING THE SABERTOOTH RAINBOW is now in over 80 stores in Oregon and Montana. It works! Whassat?

That’s a post from someone who doesn’t know ezflyfishing’s URL. – Mu

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So, I’ve been lurking around for a while and am still new to this newsgroup stuff, but i can’t help asking for help. Im just starting to FF for Steelhead and would apprec. any advice on the best places to FF for steelhead within a day trip from Portland, (any othr hint on tackle or tech. would also be much appreciated!) I’ve been fishing this area all my life about the last 20 FF mostly for trout and drift FF for steelies and salmon (only once have i caught any Chinook but what a thrill!) So I’m not a beginner but would like to maximize my chances for a hook up without running afoul of the rest of the regular fisherfolk. P.S. I’ve had problems with my postings going out multiple times so I’ll try to watch it. please advise if problem persists Russ Weitz "Reality is an escape for people who don’t fish" "Reality is an escape for people who don’t fish" – Unknown

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So, I’ve been lurking around for a while and am still new to this newsgroup stuff, but i can’t help asking for help. Im just starting to FF for Steelhead and would apprec. any advice on the best places to FF for steelhead within a day trip from Portland, (any othr hint on tackle or tech. would also be much appreciated!) I’ve been fishing this area all my life about the last 20 FF mostly for trout and drift FF for steelies and salmon (only once have i caught any Chinook but what a thrill!) So I’m not a beginner but would like to maximize my chances for a hook up without running afoul of the rest of the regular fisherfolk.

The Sandy/Salmon river to the east is only maybe 45 minutes away depending on what part of Portland you are coming from. The Trask and Wilson rivers to the west are probably about the same also depending on which side you live on. Add 30 minutes time if you are coming from Beaverton/Hillsboro going east or Gresham going west. Good Luck, I hear the rivers are finally starting to drop after a very wet November/December.      - Ken

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You might also want to check out the links under United States then Oregon at http://www.davisbrown.com/ffgeo.htm  There are plenty of places with fishing reports and fly shop assistance. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So, I’ve been lurking around for a while and am still new to this newsgroup stuff, but i can’t help asking for help. Im just starting to FF for Steelhead and would apprec. any advice on the best places to FF for steelhead within a day trip from Portland, (any othr hint on tackle or tech. would also be much appreciated!) I’ve been fishing this area all my life about the last 20 FF mostly for trout and drift FF for steelies and salmon (only once have i caught any Chinook but what a thrill!) So I’m not a beginner but would like to maximize my chances for a hook up without running afoul of the rest of the regular fisherfolk. P.S. I’ve had problems with my postings going out multiple times so I’ll try to watch it. please advise if problem persists Russ Weitz "Reality is an escape for people who don’t fish" "Reality is an escape for people who don’t fish" – Unknown

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I have recently moved to Oregon from the midwest (where I exclusively fished warm water, or at least warm weather) and need a pair of waders. Living in mountain stream territory, what do I get?  I’d prefer just one pair for year-round use. 3mm neoprene? Is that warm enough for winter, too hot for summer? Do I get a heavier pair and go naked (relatively) in summer? Any comments appreciated. -Matt (I was planning on chest-high, if that makes a difference)

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I live in Oregon. I cant afford two pairs of waders, but if I could I would get a pair of nice pair of thick neoprenes for winter steelhead fishing, and a pair of Goretex light waders for the summer. But a nice pair of neoprene socks inside the felt soled boots works great in the summer, as long as you dont mind the "cold nutwash" of wading too deep… dt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have recently moved to Oregon from the midwest (where I exclusively fished warm water, or at least warm weather) and need a pair of waders. Living in mountain stream territory, what do I get?  I’d prefer just one pair for year-round use. 3mm neoprene? Is that warm enough for winter, too hot for summer? Do I get a heavier pair and go naked (relatively) in summer? Any comments appreciated. -Matt (I was planning on chest-high, if that makes a difference)

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Matt, I suggest you get a pair of lightweight stocking foot hip waders for small water and summer wading (only about $20.00) and a pair of chest high stocking foot waders for deep, cold water.  One pair of wading boots will fit both. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail FOR THE FLY FISHING BOOK SALE GO TO: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have recently moved to Oregon from the midwest (where I exclusively fished warm water, or at least warm weather) and need a pair of waders. Living in mountain stream territory, what do I get?  I’d prefer just one pair for year-round use. 3mm neoprene? Is that warm enough for winter, too hot for summer? Do I get a heavier pair and go naked (relatively) in summer? Any comments appreciated. -Matt (I was planning on chest-high, if that makes a difference)

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Simms Guide Model chest high and cheap hippers.  The Simms cost A LOT but they are great in hot and cold climates, also, they can be worn waist high.  I’ve got 2 years into mine and I have always been comfortable and dry. Bob

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I have recently moved to Oregon from the midwest (where I exclusively fished warm water, or at least warm weather) and need a pair of waders. Living in mountain stream territory, what do I get?  I’d prefer just one pair for year-round use. 3mm neoprene? Is that warm enough for winter, too hot for summer? Do I get a heavier pair and go naked (relatively) in summer? Any comments appreciated. -Matt (I was planning on chest-high, if that makes a difference)

Hi Matt, I wore neoprene waders for about10 years and rubber latex waders (SealDri’s) for 7 years before that.  Now I wear the Orvis No-Sweat breathable waders and they are the most comfortable by far. They never get clammy and damp inside. They are also the most expensive I’ve ever worn ($305), but they are availvable in another version as the Clearwater Breathables for $165.  I highly recommend them.  In cold weather such as winter steelheading, I’ll wear a pair of Polartech fleece pants under them for warmth because they have no insulation of their own, and that keeps me comfortable.                              Hope this helps,                                           Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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From an avid fly-fisher living in the worst fly-fishing area in the world: HELP! Living in eastern Kansas, (having come from western Montana), the only trout I have heard about in this area are lake trout in Lake Shawnee near Topeka, KS. My question is:  Is there a way to fly-fish for lake Trout?  Won’t they more  than likely be bottom feeding?  How do I get down to them without having to (gag) bring out my spinning reel?  Am I just out of luck?                         BK Devlin

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You’re not going to like this but you can only do well on lakers when the water temps near optimum up top.  Unless you use uranium core sinking lines.  It’s switch to carp.  They hit Italian dry flies — cubes of bread — nicely and fight like freshwater bonefish.   It’s only a couple of days to Idaho. — ** Louis Bignami, Publisher         http://www.finefishing.com Fine Fishing Internet Magazine                "largest fishing mag on the Net" **

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