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Sounds like a FANTASTIC day on the water,  great report jh

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter Charles writes: <great report/info snipped Plans are in the offing for the next trip. Ok, I can’t make it tomorrow, but Friday is open!  d;o) Got home after an 8 hour drive (512 miles) in pouring rain, but every time I thought of those fish, I began to smile. If you’ve  fished with me, you know I don’t move around too well.  Legs and feet are very sore, but hotdamn, ya get an 18 pound salmon on a fly rod and he begins one (1) run that takes you well into your backing, ya hafta fall/leap out of the boat and run after the damn thing.  It ain’t fair.  But, is sure is heart thumping and adrenaline pumping.  And then, the bastid comes running back at you; once your get your line all wound up and clear,  he’s off on another run  into the backing   It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet and a fly that you *know* is gonna go straight any second.  Multiply that by 4 and you have an idea of the day Peter and I had on the Saugeen. I know where Peter lives.  I’ll be back, with a 10 foot 7 weight *with a fighting butt*, a Lamson 3.5 large arbor filled with wf line and as much backing as it can hold.  If not next month, Peter, count on late April/early May.  And this time we open the 18 year old stuff.  <G Dave

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(snip) It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet

(snip)     that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -wayno writes: (snip) It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet (snip)    that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno

Save a day next may.  You can sleep in the rv.  I’ll let you use my 8 weight *with* the fighting butt.  I wanna see your scrawny ass runnin down the middle of this water.  <G Louie

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   that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno

There’s a solution for that . . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Peter Charles writes:    that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno There’s a solution for that . . . . Peter

He’s used to catching iddy biddy trout the size of his dick, Peter.  He wouldn’t dream of going up and fishing with us.  The largest rod he has is a 2 weight – we’d have to loan him equipment and probably teach him how to cast it.  <seg  This water is meant for PJ and combat fishing. Louie (who hopes insults will move his scrawny ass)

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Peter He’s used to catching iddy biddy trout the size of his dick, Peter.  He wouldn’t dream of going up and fishing with us.  The largest rod he has is a 2 weight – we’d have to loan him equipment and probably teach him how to cast it. <seg  This water is meant for PJ and combat fishing. Louie (who hopes insults will move his scrawny ass)

That small eh?  In that case, I would think a 0 weight would be more appropriate.  If he came, we’d probably need a bosun’s chair just to lower him out of the boat.  BTW, think he can even lift an 8 wt.?  If he ever hooked a salmon, he’d probably throw the rod overboard from sheer fright.    (how am I doin’?) Peter

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It’s late, I’m beat, the pirate is whacked – this TR is gonna be short. Up at 4:30 and, on the road at 5:15, arrived at the store at 6:00, on the water by 8:00 and home by 9:00pm.   Louie before the trip, "I’m gonna take my 6 wt."   Told the Pirate not to bother with his vest or the 6 wt.   Well, we’re at the put-in and John Valk (owner/guide) is going "Nyet" to the 6 wt.  Out comes the 8 wt.  Now I’m looking at Louie and the fighting butt on the 8 wt. is missing, "I took it off." he says.  Silly boy.  By the end of the day, there’s no vest, the 6 wt. never left its tube and he has a hole in his sternum where he had stuck the reel seat on repeated occasions. Best shot of the day – watching Louie’s face as his backing rapidly disappears.  Second best shot of the day, seeing Louie running 100 yds downstream trying to retrieve his backing – after vaulting out of the drift boat. Anyway, a bunch of very feisty chinook was had and all returned in one piece (including the anglers).   Details at 6:00. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Anyway, a bunch of very feisty chinook was had and all returned in one piece (including the anglers).   Sounds great.  Were there any steelhead in as yet ? Remove "XX" from address

We saw a few but the real run hasn’t gone going yet.  We need colder temps and a *lot* more water. As John fussed with the boat and stuff, there were a bunch of salmon playing in the shallows.  I had a poke at them with the big stick but no joy.  With that experience, I put it away and took out a single hander. Dave got out a rarely used Orvis 8 wt. with a big sinktip that proved to be a difficult line to use in the low water conditions. Dave, by his own admission, was unsure what this fishing would be about and when we found a pod of about 20 salmon cavorting about, he had two silver dollars for eyeballs.   John has a particular way of doing a wet fly swing (he likes the fly oriented north-south – I tend to a broadside presentation) but we both used John’s technique.  We swim the fly in front of the pod and hope that a big, pissed-off male will charge out and nail it.  Frequently, we were not disappointed and Dave got a very lively fish out of this pod within a couple of minutes. Dave hooked up first (a fish probably in the low teens) which promptly peeled off all of his line and a good quantity of backing.  It was a great intro to Saugeen salmon fishing.  He eventually ended up about 100 yards downstream where the fish was netted. A couple of points about these fish.  Credit River salmon are stocked and live in Lake Ontario whereas the Saugeen fish are naturals and live in Lake Huron.  You cannot imagine how much difference this results in.  Saugeen fish, even 70 miles upstream, are fairly bright and in excellent shape.  Credit River stockers are only a few miles up stream and already black and rotting.  The Saugeen fish takes off at a high rate of knots when released, even after a long fight.  He’s usually back cavorting in a minute or two.  Credit River fish often roll over an die upon release after a half-hearted fight.  John told us a story of catching the same chinook three times in succession and it fought just as hard the third time as it did the first. The Saugeen was especially low and clear so the fish were always very obvious.  We drifted over a few steelhead, loads of huge smallies, some browns, red horse suckers, carp, and a few unidentified.  The colours were especially bright in the high sun, and with the warm day, it was a very pleasant trip all-round. Final results were something like four fish each landed and multiple hookups (including one double).  Most of the fish were in the teens but one of mine was over 20 lbs.  We saw and hooked a few bruisers that ran over 30.  All of them took off in long runs.  Some of the fish were quite aerobatic with jumps, lunges and tumbles that often resulted in them being wrapped up in line.  One of mine began to fight funny after a few minutes. On initial hookup, the fish stuck his head out of the water with an open mouthed head shake that told of a fair hook.  By the time we got him landed, the fly was still in his mouth but he had about five winds of line around one fin.  Dave had one where the fly started off in it’s mouth and ended up in it’s tail.  We figured it too got wrapped up in line and then the fly came loose only to reattach. I’ll have a trip on my site by next week with pics that will give some indication of the river and the fish.   It was fun as always having the Pirate up and Thanksgiving dinner will long be remembered for the gales of laughter and the sore sides we had in the morning. Plans are in the offing for the next trip. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Peter Charles writes: <great report/info snipped Plans are in the offing for the next trip.

Don’t wait too long. Ok, I can’t make it tomorrow, but Friday is open!  d;o)

At the Salmon River, Saugeen next week. Got home after an 8 hour drive (512 miles) in pouring rain, but every time I thought of those fish, I began to smile.

probably brighter than those bright blue Audi headlights. If you’ve  fished with me, you know I don’t move around too well.  Legs and feet are very sore, but hotdamn, ya get an 18 pound salmon on a fly rod and he begins one (1) run that takes you well into your backing, ya hafta fall/leap out of the boat and run after the damn thing.  It ain’t fair.  But, is sure is heart thumping and adrenaline pumping.  And then, the bastid comes running back at you; once your get your line all wound up and clear,  he’s off on another run  into the backing   It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet and a fly that you *know* is gonna go straight any second.  Multiply that by 4 and you have an idea of the day Peter and I had on the Saugeen.  

It was a memorable day fer sure.   I know where Peter lives.  I’ll be back, with a 10 foot 7 weight *with a fighting butt*, a Lamson 3.5 large arbor filled with wf line and as much backing as it can hold. If not next month, Peter, count on late April/early May.  And this time we open the 18 year old stuff.  <G

You mean, like again! Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Peter Charles writes:

<great report/info snipped Plans are in the offing for the next trip.

Ok, I can’t make it tomorrow, but Friday is open!  d;o) Got home after an 8 hour drive (512 miles) in pouring rain, but every time I thought of those fish, I began to smile. If you’ve  fished with me, you know I don’t move around too well.  Legs and feet are very sore, but hotdamn, ya get an 18 pound salmon on a fly rod and he begins one (1) run that takes you well into your backing, ya hafta fall/leap out of the boat and run after the damn thing.  It ain’t fair.  But, is sure is heart thumping and adrenaline pumping.  And then, the bastid comes running back at you; once your get your line all wound up and clear,  he’s off on another run  into the backing   It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet and a fly that you *know* is gonna go straight any second.  Multiply that by 4 and you have an idea of the day Peter and I had on the Saugeen.   I know where Peter lives.  I’ll be back, with a 10 foot 7 weight *with a fighting butt*, a Lamson 3.5 large arbor filled with wf line and as much backing as it can hold.  If not next month, Peter, count on late April/early May.  And this time we open the 18 year old stuff.  <G Dave

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Sounds like a great trip. Sight fishing for big fish, can’t beat that! Did you catch anything other than the Chinooks?

Nope, we were hoping for steelhead but the conditions were too warm and the water too low.  We saw lots of smallies but with the low, clear water, we saw them when we spooked them.   Not sure I’d call the the Saugeen fish "natural" but the same differences you found here between the stocked and streambred salmon also applies to trout. Even though the genetics might be the same, the stocked fish act differently even after being in the wild for a considerable time. Willi

I used the term ‘natural’ to mean naturally reproducing.  While these chinook exhibit superior characteristics as compared to their stocked cousins, I haven’t seem the same difference between natural and stocked browns on the Grand.  That may have something to do with how the Grand stocking program is managed. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I thought that Ontario had stopped stocking chinook altogether, but I guess not, eh ?   The strain of chinook used for stocking is one that does not move in until quite late.  I’ve read that what has happened in some cases where natural reproduction has been established is that over generations the salmon have tended to come into rivers earlier and earlier prior to spawning.  It sounds like the Saugeen is one of them.

I’ve always understood that Credit River chinook were stocked as the prospects for natural reproduction were poor.  John confirmed that they were stockers. I’ve not heard about earlier runs but with the Saugeen being farther north, an earlier run is to be expected.  There’s no question that they are much healthier fish. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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      Anyway, a bunch of very feisty chinook was had and all returned in one   piece (including the anglers).       Sounds great.  Were there any steelhead in as yet ?     Remove "XX" from address       A couple of points about these fish.  Credit River salmon are stocked   and live in Lake Ontario whereas the Saugeen fish are naturals and   live in Lake Huron.  You cannot imagine how much difference this   results in.  Saugeen fish, even 70 miles upstream, are fairly bright   and in excellent shape.  Credit River stockers are only a few miles up   stream and already black and rotting.  The Saugeen fish takes off at a   high rate of knots when released, even after a long fight.  He’s   usually back cavorting in a minute or two.  Credit River fish often   roll over an die upon release after a half-hearted fight.  John told   us a story of catching the same chinook three times in succession and   it fought just as hard the third time as it did the first. Sounds like a great trip. Sight fishing for big fish, can’t beat that! Did you catch anything other than the Chinooks? Not sure I’d call the the Saugeen fish "natural" but the same differences you found here between the stocked and streambred salmon also applies to trout. Even though the genetics might be the same, the stocked fish act differently even after being in the wild for a considerable time. Willi

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Nice try, Scott. But nobody’s going to believe that you actually care about fly fishing. Must just be trying to get people on your good side so they’ll vote for Gore. <G

Damn! You caught me. And I thought roffian were dumb… <g right back atcha.

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Thanks for the helpful answers. Of course, it’s the least you could do, after stealing my name…

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Ergo, I have lots of dumb questions about fishing. Here are some: 1.  Summer steelies and chinook both are running in the Deschutes below Shearer’s Falls. I’m familiar with the classic "steelhead swing". Question is: how would I go about targeting chinook in the same water? Why doesn’t the swing pick up chinook too?

well, the swing can pick up chinook… but salmon in rivers just aren’t as aggressive as steelhead plus kings often hold in deeper water than the steelhead… and much of the fishing for steelhead on the deschutes is done with a floating line and kings aren’t apt to move as far for a fly as summer-run steelhead. 2.  What the hell does a Green Butt Skunk or a Freight Train represent? Don’t look like fish; don’t look like bugs; aren’t really all that stimulating… why doesn’t a big chunk of pink yarn with a bead head work as well?

they represent nothing really… they are attrators.  since steelhead do not need to eat to survive in rivers, for the most part they don’t.  you are trying to trigger an instictive or curiosity strike (they don’t have hands so if they want to check out something they check with their mouths).  a chunk of pink yarn will work too… and sometimes probably better than the typical steelhead flies.  of course, there are more realistic steelhead flies, such as the large number of october caddis skating flies, muddlers and stonefly nymphs. 3.  I’m familiar with coho running up smaller creeks during/after a rain, when the water level rises. (I’m thinking of Eagle Creek, off the Clackamas.) Question is, how long after a rain do they run? I went to Eagle Creek on a warm dry day, and there just were no fish in the river (except one that was hanging under a bridge trying to avoid being hit on the head by the plunkers’ lead). I hear that the afternoon of our last rain, zillions ran. So is it only worth fishing for coho there immediately after a rain, or are there other factors (like, do the ones that run up during a rain stay there once they get there, the way steelies do?)

on small creeks they will usually enter during high water events… and imo they bite better when there’s some color to the water.  during low water, look at tidewater areas to find fish moving up and down with the tides.  the coho that run upstream after a high water event will usually stay, but if the water then drops low they will hole up in the deeper parts of the stream or river.  of course, with anadramous fish there are exceptions to every rule <G 4.  I lied in #3. There was one other fish in the creek: a medium coho that kept rolling on the surface of a small pool. Scared him away (see intro paragraph, above). Question is: what they heck are they doing when they roll on top like that? He didn’t seem to be rising to feed…

don’t know why salmon roll.  some people say they do it to loosen their eggs, maybe it’s just boredom waiting to spawn… but i’ve seen them do the same thing out in the ocean when they are months away from entering the rivers and are feeding machines.

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Ergo, I have lots of dumb questions about fishing. Here are some: [snipped]

Nice try, Scott. But nobody’s going to believe that you actually care about fly fishing. Must just be trying to get people on your good side so they’ll vote for Gore. <G –Steve (lemme throw in one more "<g" for good measure)

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I have lots of ideas about things discussed around campfires, but I’ve never pretended to know how to catch fish. My personal contribution to the PETA/AR cause is that not only do I fail to catch fish myself on a fairly consistent basis, but I also put fish down with my clumsy flailing, thereby preventing other fishermen from harming God’s little aquatic creatures either. Ergo, I have lots of dumb questions about fishing. Here are some: 1.  Summer steelies and chinook both are running in the Deschutes below Shearer’s Falls. I’m familiar with the classic "steelhead swing". Question is: how would I go about targeting chinook in the same water? Why doesn’t the swing pick up chinook too? 2.  What the hell does a Green Butt Skunk or a Freight Train represent? Don’t look like fish; don’t look like bugs; aren’t really all that stimulating… why doesn’t a big chunk of pink yarn with a bead head work as well? 3.  I’m familiar with coho running up smaller creeks during/after a rain, when the water level rises. (I’m thinking of Eagle Creek, off the Clackamas.) Question is, how long after a rain do they run? I went to Eagle Creek on a warm dry day, and there just were no fish in the river (except one that was hanging under a bridge trying to avoid being hit on the head by the plunkers’ lead). I hear that the afternoon of our last rain, zillions ran. So is it only worth fishing for coho there immediately after a rain, or are there other factors (like, do the ones that run up during a rain stay there once they get there, the way steelies do?) 4.  I lied in #3. There was one other fish in the creek: a medium coho that kept rolling on the surface of a small pool. Scared him away (see intro paragraph, above). Question is: what they heck are they doing when they roll on top like that? He didn’t seem to be rising to feed… I’ll even condescend to accept answers from those who disagree with me politically! Scott

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   In the first place Mike didn’t do anything any decent person would have done. I sent an E-mail to Dianna telling her my opinion of the article and received a reply which was negative and did not sound like her.  I did not know about the injury to her husband and the pressure she was under at the time.  As the Editor she did have a responsibility to place a disclaimer to state FAOL’s position on Old Ruff’s article, which she did not do.  This made it appear that they condoned this inflammatory article.  Then she removed the negative comments about it from FAOL which further indicated FAOL’s position was to agree with the article.  Deanna made some serious errors and her actions led to the current situation.    Mike’s reputation is even better with me because he has the courage of his convictions.  If I had to chose between Mike and FAOL, Mike would win every time. Ernie Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a certain reputation to uphold here, and elsewhere.< Not any more. Oh, I think Mike still enjoys a pretty good reputation on ROFF.  Of course, my supposition hinges on the assumption that you don’t speak for all of us…….I could be wrong.

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ROFF is the one place, FAOL cannot censor opposing points of view. < And one YOU cannot censor.

And what have I censored? bc.

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HRBlain writes: I could be wrong.< You often are.

Careful, HR, or you’ll end up in Bmabia, which is right next to Bmalia.  In fact, they share the same fire and police dpts.  The young ladies in Bmabia, however, are small titted, unlike the lucious dolls of Bmalia.  Something about the water I suspect. Dave L.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike,   Ok, already! Perhaps it is only me, but I see no need to burden ROFF with ongoing matters on FAOL. For days on end, we get a bombardment of threads, the vast majority started by yourself, to discuss your beef with folks who don’t regularly contribute here. Wasn’t it you who had to depart us once before over needless bulk caused by other threads? You seem to be taken with the need to justify on this forum why you shouldn’t be blamed for the demise(if indeed such happens)of FAOL. It is perfectly rational that some blame you. Get over it. Get back to the insightful and well written stuff that has endeared you to many. I miss your angling writing, and hope not to offend with these observations.                         regards,                          Tom Littleton "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas."

Tom: I am little more than a lurker here with very few posts to my credit. I have, however, read Mr. Connors and many others posts over the last 6 months. In this time I’ve found him to be free with his knowledge, a prolific contributor to the group, and above all, a reasonable and courteous gentleman. He now finds himself in a position of being slandered, quoted out of context, and generally maligned by persons who aren’t qualified to carry his creel. His integrity has been called in to question by persons with less than honourable methods. I think he has handled himself with more restraint than I could. If he feels that posting to a public forum is the best way to defend his name, I am willing to afford him some lattitude. IMHO, ROFF is a forum for educated (formal or otherwise) and sometimes opinionated, gentleman to gather for thought provoking discussion with fly fishing being the tie that binds (if not always the main topic <G). When I get tired of a thread I just move to the next subject header. Rick O. "Children are born with an innate sense of justice; it usually takes twelve years of public schooling and four more years of college to beat it out of them." "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell."

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Like I said in another post… "Crusty Factor" — Michael Era

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I’ve just started this book by Thomas McGuane. It looks to be very special. This guy writes like a master and he knows flyfishing. Check it out. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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special. This guy writes like a master and he knows flyfishing. Check it out.

I have a copy of one of his older books…Outside Chance that I enjoy reading again about once a year. Big Dale

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I’ve just started this book by Thomas McGuane. It looks to be very special. This guy writes like a master and he knows flyfishing. Check it out.

    I just finished reading it last week. It seemed like I’d already ready half of it, because McGuane is quoted so often. I’d put it at the top of anybody’s "must read" list, whether or not they fish. I’d even go so far as to rate it high on my list of top ten all time list of fishing reads.

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I’ve just started this book by Thomas McGuane. It looks to be very special. This guy writes like a master and he knows flyfishing. Check it out. —

McGuane’s a superb novelist, and I have taken to heart several of his books that cut closer to home than one would like to admit although his themes are often quite similar.  If he has a new book out, I’m off to get it now. Mark Faulkner

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Hi, I’m a short time lurker. Was wondering if anybody could recommend a resort/guide service in Colorado offering private water and/or accommodations. Thanks in advance. John Sorell

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Go to www.elktrout.com

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Elktrout is a very fine, fly fishing only-catch and release only,  resort with great strecthes of private property on two rivers and quite a few fantastic ponds.  The guides work hard and you fish right up to dark. Bows and cut throats are prevalent in the ponds with some very large browns lurking in the rivers.  Fish seem to bight all the time.  Quarters and food are first rate. Scenery is beautiful but lots and lots of cow shit to avoid.  All together a wonderful private retreat. Tom Bogdan

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Thanks to all for the replies….John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Elktrout is a very fine, fly fishing only-catch and release only,  resort with great strecthes of private property on two rivers and quite a few fantastic ponds.  The guides work hard and you fish right up to dark. Bows and cut throats are prevalent in the ponds with some very large browns lurking in the rivers.  Fish seem to bight all the time.  Quarters and food are first rate. Scenery is beautiful but lots and lots of cow shit to avoid.  All together a wonderful private retreat. Tom Bogdan

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Need info about fishing on the Pecos River above Cowles NM. Thank you

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For dries – use a size 12 or so stimulator "mimics the grass-hoppers and stone-flies in the area, also an elk-hairs caddis works well. Nymphs – any of the bead-head nymphs will work. Best if you can fish it during/after the stone fly hatch with a stimulator. -Mike

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I am planning a trip to NE New Mexico to do some fly fishing in early Aug.  Need help with camping, suggestions on where to fish, flies, etc.,etc.  Newbie to newsgroup and newbie to fly fishing. Hal

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In article I am planning a trip to NE New Mexico to do some fly fishing in early Aug.  Need help with camping, suggestions on where to fish, flies, etc.,etc.  Newbie to newsgroup and newbie to fly fishing. Hal

Look at this website for reprts:  http://www.gmfsh.state.nm.us/ Other useful information may be found here:   http://www.thereellife.com/reellife/reports.htm Good Luck!

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There does not seem to be much interest in old flies and I’m wondering if anyone knows of a fly fishing museum that I could give them to. I have over 600 trout flies of at least 40+ varities that are 75+ years old. Most of them are tied directly to a 4" gut leader with loop tied at the end. The flies with gut leaders are stored in either in their original packets from Wm. Mills & Sons or in a pigskin leather bound flat fly files (so they are flat). The flies with steel eyes are stored in boxes and are much newer (possibly 50

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Does anyone know about beaver creek in CA this year or at all? I was there last year late in the summer and the water was realy low. The were a lot of feed bugs in the water, but the water was too low to produce any sizable trout. Any info on the creek would be great. TimFLYFISH Dream of flyfishing, but also let the fish dream. C & R

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Tim, where do you fish Beaver Ck.? in the park or up outa Sourgrass? I would expect the water to be high right now. The Stanislaus at Sourgrass was pretty high and fast a couple weeks ago. As I remember the fish aren’t really big there. This time of the year, due to high, fast water fish close to the river bank. There are some nice holes outa Sourgrass and up the creek where the road crosses Beaver Ck. wish you luck, Bob

: Does anyone know about beaver creek in CA this year or at all? I was there : last year late in the summer and the water was realy low. The were a lot : of feed bugs in the water, but the water was too low to produce any : sizable trout. Any info on the creek would be great. : TimFLYFISH : Dream of flyfishing, but also let the fish dream. C & R —  Remember amateur astronomers: "keep looking for the next Universe"

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writes: :   Hi I am looking for some information on fly fishing. I : want to know about how much it would cost me to get started. Also : I would like to know any other info to help me gewt started. : Many thanks : Robert

Well Robert, I began fly fishing on a rod made by my friends dad, it was a 7 12 four weight…..a month later I got a L.L. Bean 8 foot 5 weight for 295.00 that includes the reel…..its a great rod and I consider it a very good price for the fun and fish i’ve gotton from it so far…..THey will send you a catalog if you call…..they also have fly kits that will start you out for about 25 dollars……good luck…. Matt, age 16

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   Hi I am looking for some information on fly fishing. I want to know about how much it would cost me to get started. Also I would like to know any other info to help me gewt started. Many thanks Robert

Bob: From another Bob.  Find yourself a sports shop that at least carries flyfishing equipment.  Buy a "discovery" or "introductory" outfit that includes an 8′ to 9′ rod in a 5 or 6 weight.  See if your local adult education organization (or the shop you bought the outfit from) has any beginner flyfishing/casting classes, and go do it.   The outfit shouldn’t cost you much more than $100 to $150. Another good way to try it out is to find a FLYFISHING guide in your area and hire him/her for a day.  A little more expensive, but they can probably provide the equipment, give you some great instruction, and you would probably even catch some fish. Finally, a couple more sources to try are Fly Rod and Reel, American Angler, and Flyfishing magazines.  Also, you may already know about this, but you might want to post your inquiry on the newsgroup rec.outdoors.fishing.fly. Have fun, it’s a great sport. Bob Peters

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:       Hi I am looking for some information on fly fishing. I : want to know about how much it would cost me to get started. Also : I would like to know any other info to help me gewt started. : Many thanks : Robert Don’t do what I did, and buy the $29.95 Fly-Fishing starter-kit from Shakespeare! What a mistake. I have yet to get a fly on/in the water with this set-up… The fly-line included with the kit was made in China and was wrapped up with a VERY gummy/sticky label. Even after cleaning at the line for an hour it was still gummy and wouldn’t slide through the guides, so I shopped around for some replacement line. $15 dollars (and much confusion about which type line to buy) later, I had that, but still couldn’t get the thing to cast at all, so it’s collecting dust in a corner of the basement. I did manage to succesfully do some flyfishing this past week though, for the first time in my life. I bought some clear bobbers, and used them with about 4 feet of 6lb leader and a fly on my spinning rod. I caught a bucket full of large bluegills, crappie, and bass. Some of the fish were hitting on the bobber, so maybe I should adapt a hook onto it for next time… Anyone else do the majority of their fishing from a seakayak? Cecil Williams

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We are new to flyfishing in Colorado and are looking for a few suggestions as to what rivers or lakes are good and have public access.  Suggestions on patterns and sizes would also be helpful.   We are also looking into a trip to the Madison river in Montana later this summer and were wondering what other rivers we might try in Montana and Wyoming.  Again patterns and sizes would be helpful. We’ve just started reading this news group–sorry if these are redundant questions. Thanks in advance for the help, Greg Clemson Jennifer Marshall

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We are also looking into a trip to the Madison river in Montana later this summer and were wondering what other rivers we might try in Montana and Wyoming.

Don’t pass up the Green River in Utah, below the Flaming Gorge Dam!

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