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Is there any web, catalog or other reliable source for fly fishing and/or fly tying supplies? Ebay is becoming chancy at best(I always lose the euipement I want at the last minute)! Thanks for any help.

You should check out Hook & Hackle at hookhack.com. When you order from their web site, you get 20% off of listed prices, and free shipping with an order over $200. They care for the customer, and if you have a problem with an order, they set it right. They have fly fishing, fly tying and rod building gear at normal prices as well as web specials, but when you factor in the 20% off, they can’t be beat (and I’m a real cheapskate!). ie: Loomis IMX blanks at list price, but they give you free components, about a $50 value.

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Is there any web, catalog or other reliable source for fly fishing and/or fly tying supplies? Ebay is becoming chancy at best(I always lose the euipement I want at the last minute)! Thanks for any help.

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Is there any web, catalog or other reliable source for fly fishing and/or fly tying supplies?

http://www.ezflyfish.com/ http://www.cabelas.com/ (also has a fly fishing catalog) http://www.orvis.com/ http://www.basspro-shops.com/ in that order, IMHO. — HTH, Tim

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Is there any web, catalog or other reliable source for fly fishing and/or fly tying supplies? Ebay is becoming chancy at best(I always lose the euipement I want at the last minute)! Thanks for any help.

    Frank,          Internet Outdoors has some good prices…I bought my float tube on sale from Cabella’s and afterwards I saw that Internet Outdoors was $20 cheaper!  They are dedicated to other sports as well as fishing, also.  Check them out.  Here is the address… http://www.shopoutdoors.com/

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_____  This is a great day to begin fly tying with my new NOR-VISE.  I suppose it can be said that fly tying and fly fishing for me goes far beyond being just a hobby.  Its a study in life itself, of temperament, the various sciences that range from hydrology (OH! There he goes!  He just floated right by us!) to entomology, the science of cements for repair waders that will now always leak, to how to pack a fly box using the Dewey Decimal/Alpabetical Filing System without going crazy.  It still seems, no matter what, you always find the fly you want in the last pocket of you 18 Pocket fly fishing vest . . . just before you drop it in the river. Arrrrrrggggggggguuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! I am one of the those wise old hoots who enjoys his reverie and I suppose it comes from years astream packed with a million memories.  I like good music which to me is anything that wasn’t dictated by the "now generation".  I go way back.  When I say ‘way back’ I mean to the eras of Holiday with her sensual, provocative voice, to Stan Kenton, Dave Brubeck, the Dorsey’s, tunes like Sing, Sing, Sing, Elk’s Parade, Lullaby of Birdland, Cole Porter’s Old Black Magic, others such as Green Eyes, (done especially by Artie Shaw) laced with some of the finest concertos by Wolfgang Amadaus Mozart.  Naturally, fly tying requires a few more essentials but music and fly tying is the dubbing for my mind. I confess also that I am a lover of Port Wines and the Tawny brands suit me fine for I do not like overly sweet wines at all but I don’t like them bitter or any that lay flat on the tongue. It seems I cannot tie without a few bird dogs (my Llewellyn Setters) under the table but it comes not with a price.  I say this because it came to me these sounds of pleasure from under my table one day.  I dropped my hand down to get that familiar lick but it was not too be, so I slide my chair back a bit and look at my dog ‘Shotgun’ who has his chin laying upon my Jungle Cock neck, all slimed and in-between his paws.  His eyes look up to the top of his head as if saying, ‘no, you can’t have it!’ Well today, warm weather has come to my canyon and the sun dresses all the buds on the trees.  My canaries are singing their song of spring over the soft music.   Things are in harmony and my glass if full.   — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – _____  This is a great day to begin fly tying with my new NOR-VISE.  I suppose it can be said that fly tying and fly fishing for me goes far beyond being just a hobby.  Its a study in life itself, of temperament, the various sciences that range from hydrology (OH! There he goes!  He just floated right by us!) to entomology, the science of cements for repair waders that will now always leak, to how to pack a fly box using the Dewey Decimal/Alpabetical Filing System without going crazy.  It still seems, no matter what, you always find the fly you want in the last pocket of you 18 Pocket fly fishing vest . . . just before you drop it in the river. Arrrrrrggggggggguuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! I am one of the those wise old hoots who enjoys his reverie and I suppose it comes from years astream packed with a million memories.  I like good music which to me is anything that wasn’t dictated by the "now generation".  I go way back.  When I say ‘way back’ I mean to the eras of Holiday with her sensual, provocative voice, to Stan Kenton, Dave Brubeck, the Dorsey’s, tunes like Sing, Sing, Sing, Elk’s Parade, Lullaby of Birdland, Cole Porter’s Old Black Magic, others such as Green Eyes, (done especially by Artie Shaw) laced with some of the finest concertos by Wolfgang Amadaus Mozart.  Naturally, fly tying requires a few more essentials but music and fly tying is the dubbing for my mind. I confess also that I am a lover of Port Wines and the Tawny brands suit me fine for I do not like overly sweet wines at all but I don’t like them bitter or any that lay flat on the tongue. It seems I cannot tie without a few bird dogs (my Llewellyn Setters) under the table but it comes not with a price.  I say this because it came to me these sounds of pleasure from under my table one day.  I dropped my hand down to get that familiar lick but it was not too be, so I slide my chair back a bit and look at my dog ‘Shotgun’ who has his chin laying upon my Jungle Cock neck, all slimed and in-between his paws.  His eyes look up to the top of his head as if saying, ‘no, you can’t have it!’ Well today, warm weather has come to my canyon and the sun dresses all the buds on the trees.  My canaries are singing their song of spring over the soft music. Things are in harmony and my glass is full. — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

– (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – _____  This is a great day to begin fly tying with my new NOR-VISE.  I suppose it can be said that fly tying and fly fishing for me goes far beyond being just a hobby.  Its a study in life itself, of temperament, the various sciences that range from hydrology (OH! There he goes!  He just floated right by us!) to entomology, the science of cements for repair waders that will now always leak, to how to pack a fly box using the Dewey Decimal/Alpabetical Filing System without going crazy.  It still seems, no matter what, you always find the fly you want in the last pocket of your 18 Pocket fly fishing vest . . . just before you drop it in the river. Arrrrrrggggggggguuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! I am one of the those wise old hoots who enjoys his reverie and I suppose it comes from years astream packed with a million memories.  I like good music which to me is anything that wasn’t dictated by the "now generation".  I go way back.  When I say ‘way back’ I mean to the eras of Holiday with her sensual, provocative voice, to Stan Kenton, Dave Brubeck, the Dorsey’s, tunes like Sing, Sing, Sing, Elk’s Parade, Lullaby of Birdland, Cole Porter’s Old Black Magic, others such as Green Eyes, (done especially by Artie Shaw) laced with some of the finest concertos by Wolfgang Amadaus Mozart.  Naturally, fly tying requires a few more essentials but music and fly tying is the dubbing for my mind. I confess also that I am a lover of Port Wines and the Tawny brands suit me fine for I do not like overly sweet wines at all but I don’t like them bitter or any that lay flat on the tongue. It seems I cannot tie without a few bird dogs (my Llewellyn Setters) under the table but it comes not without a price.  I say this because it came to me these sounds of pleasure from under my table one day.  I dropped my hand down to get that familiar lick but it was not too be, so I slide my chair back a bit and look at my dog ‘Shotgun’ who has his chin laying upon my Jungle Cock neck, all slimed and in-between his paws.  His eyes look up to the top of his head as if saying, ‘no, you can’t have it!’ Well today, warm weather has come to my canyon and the sun dresses all the buds on the trees.  My canaries are singing their song of spring over the soft music. Things are in harmony and my glass if full. — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

– (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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Well I headed up to one of my favorite hex ponds yesterday to do some dry fly hexing. We arrived at the pond with high winds. So I headed down the pond in my old indian brand fiberglass canoe, semi basket case but light and good to fish from. It’s been heavily repaired with fiberglass to make it seaworty but it is so much stealtier than my aluminum.  There were a few hex’s starting to pop up here and there and a few fish rising to them so I prayed for a respite from the howling Maine winds. It was not to be. First thing, on my third cast I broke my "new" HI Lucky ace off at the top ferrule on the mid section, somebody (me) apparently did a piss poor replacement job. Not to be discouraged I paddled all the way back to the landing to get a replacement. Whereon I discovered that the owner of one of the two camps on the pond bragging about how he had coerced the State into stocking Splake ( a bastard hybred of a brookie and a lake trout) to "control" the smelt population. Great, this dub is trying to kill off the feed that makes this pond grow mega slab sided brookies, seemed like a duh to me. Now we’ve got camp owners playing at fisheries management…of course he’s happy to troll up a few splake and claims there are no big schools of smelt anymore on his fish finder…I’m happy for him….rather than argue the topic I just paddled back down the pond to fish. Anyway I managed a couple of 12-14" brookies on my hex pattern when I heard this awful cracking and moaning coming from the seat of my canoe. the %$^#* seat was splitting in half – time for a diet I decided anyway the darn thing sank an inch or two but didn’t part the way completely. Finally as dark came on the wind picked up even more so I beached the canoe for the night. Then it began to rain, and rain, and rain you get the idea. this morning the wind was still howling so we drove down to the West Branch of the Penoboscot river to fish for salmon. the rubber hatch was on (rafters) and the water was high and colored, at least some of it from the heavy overnight rains. I had one hit nymphing and managed to yank the fly out of the fishes mouth and into the tree behind me where I ended up leaving it. Hit another good pool downstream in time to watch another angler manage a decent landlock, caught a freaking chub and went back to camp for lunch. My pond was now covered in 2-3 foot white caps so I bagged it and came home instead of praying to the ghods of calm sunsets. Driving out we got pounded by a mega thunderstorm so the decision to leave was probably ok. On the way out I saw a large black bear, and the usual assortment of moose, a bald eagle, a couple of red tailed hawks, a ton of rabbits and some partridge, good wildlife viewing trip anyway. Tierd and weary, 6 hours later, I arrived home to find my latest ebay treasure, a shakespear 1305B in 9 foot in a gigantic plano plastic case (destined to go into the yard sale pile). It’s missing an eye and while dubbing with it the reel seat came apart because the pin is missing…sometimes I should stay home, go to the dump and mow the lawn…naw that’s no fun… so anyway kids the hex’s are on up in Baxter country but the weather was not conducive to the frenzied evening rise to same…at least for me this weekend. Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more

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Thanks for the nice report anyway. These reports make one wish one was fishing, remind one of the mishaps which inevitably occur, sometimes leaving fond memories, and sometimes swollen feet or similar, but they are all extremely interesting. TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Hi Shaun, here’s a trick I learned that works for me….take the male ferrule of each section and lay it along side your nose while twisting it and rubbing it back and forth a few times.  The natural oil in your skin will lube the ferrules sufficiently.  Also, if you have problems taking it apart after setting the sections really tight, put the rod behind your legs with a firm grip on the section to be pulled apart, then spread your knees apart, thereby letting your leg muscles do the work.  I keep a non-skid piece of rubber matting in my vest to help get a grip on the rod when it wants to be stubborn.  I have the same rod as you and all this works for me. Regards,

Guys: I’ve got the same rod, same problems, same solution.  Good advice.  One little detail:  When you use your legs to separate the rod, place your hands, and grip the rod on the OUTSIDE of your knees.  I know this seems really obvious, but I actually saw someone attempt it the other way. Oh, and one other piece of advice: If you live in blackfly country, and you use Deet products, make sure you don’t rub deet from your nose crease  onto the rod.  I’m guessing you’d end up with a one-piece rod. brent

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I have a St. Croix 8.5′ 5wt 4pc travel rod and I’m having some trouble taking the sections apart.  Is there a standard method for lubricating the joints of rods? Also, I find the action of this rod superb if I jam the sections in pretty hard (hence the problem!), but pretty sluggish if not.  Am I doing anything wrong?  Should I go to a 6wt line? Appreciate any help. Shaun

  Rub the male end with parafin. Many rods load well with a line size higher than spec. It’s a matter of choice. I’d give it a try if you’re not satisfied with the action with a #5 line. Raalph H

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If you want to try 6wt line you might check out hookhack.com . Under specials this month they list a Climax double taper line that is 5wt on one end and 6wt on the other.                                                                   Doug Campbell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Many rods load well with a line size higher than spec. It’s a matter of choice. I’d give it a try if you’re not satisfied with the action with a #5 line. Raalph H

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I assume you are talking about graphite rods.   A friend uses a little bow string wax which make the rod easier to take apart but also prevents wear from putting the rods together and taking them apart so often

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Hi, A friend uses a little bow string wax which make the rod easier to take apart but also prevents wear from putting the rods together and taking them apart so often

PMFJI, but I learned a trick while fishing in MT a few years back. Just lay the male part of the rod against your cheek next to your nose and below your eye.  Now twist the rod to wipe the oil from your skin onto the rod.  That has always worked for me. Best, Bill

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My spouse, Rachel (a/k/a "she who must be obeyed"), asked me what i was doing…told her i had logged on a newsgroup of flyfishermen and was reading discussions about "jungle cock capes", "joint lubrication", and "nymphs"…i’m sure you know what she said next… jeff (now with cyber nanny filter in full operation)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Shaun, here’s a trick I learned that works for me….take the male ferrule of each section and lay it along side your nose while twisting it and rubbing it back and forth a few times.  The natural oil in your skin will lube the ferrules sufficiently.  Also, if you have problems taking it apart after setting the sections really tight, put the rod behind your legs with a firm grip on the section to be pulled apart, then spread your knees apart, thereby letting your leg muscles do the work.  I keep a non-skid piece of rubber matting in my vest to help get a grip on the rod when it wants to be stubborn.  I have the same rod as you and all this works for me. Regards, Guys: I’ve got the same rod, same problems, same solution.  Good advice.  One little detail:  When you use your legs to separate the rod, place your hands, and grip the rod on the OUTSIDE of your knees.  I know this seems really obvious, but I actually saw someone attempt it the other way. Oh, and one other piece of advice: If you live in blackfly country, and you use Deet products, make sure you don’t rub deet from your nose crease  onto the rod.  I’m guessing you’d end up with a one-piece rod. brent

Hi Guys, I took Mike Maxwell Speycasting course and the 3pc or 4 pc rods are hard to take apart. What Mr. Maxwell recommends is white candle wax on the male end and line the ferrule a 1/4 turn offset, then twist it in alignment. This eliminates taping your ferrules with electrical tape. After fishing all day the rod get worked pretty hard, the ferrule does not come apart very easy, so he recommends cooling your rod under tap water or in the river and untwist the opposite way you turn to put it on. Believe me it works, after a friend just about put his shoulder out pulling it apart and nearly tearing the guides off, I told him to put under the garden hose and it came apart with no problem. Note: Make sure the female end is clean, with no grit or sand or it will dig into the male end and destroy you rod.

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Don’t use nose oil, it is acidic and will corrode the metal ferrules.  Other products such as candle wax or silicone grease will not destroy the metal, and are often recommended by the manufacture.  A collector I used to know, said he could tell the rods that had been nose oiled and showed the resultant corroded metal ferrules.

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I have a St. Croix 8.5′ 5wt 4pc travel rod and I’m having some trouble taking the sections apart.  Is there a standard method for lubricating the joints of rods? Also, I find the action of this rod superb if I jam the sections in pretty hard (hence the problem!), but pretty sluggish if not.  Am I doing anything wrong?  Should I go to a 6wt line? Appreciate any help. Shaun

What you need is a bottle of Gehrke’s Slink, the best damn joint lubricator money can buy. Once you’ve tried this you’ll never use parafin again. It’s a little more expensive at $5 a bottle, but it will make your rod feel like a brand new top-of-the-line Sage. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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well might as well put my two cents in. Rub the male ends on your nose or forhead, seriously the little bit of oil from your skin is just enough to do the trick. And pull the sections apart by placing them behind your knees and hold them tight and spread your legs slightly and they should pull apart without twisting them off.An older gentleman showed me this trick on a bamboo rod i have that i’m afraid of breaking and they wrere on there good jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If this a graphite rod, then rub a candle on the male end of the ferrule to give a thin coat of wax once every 3 months or so, and the joint will be good shape. I have a St. Croix 8.5′ 5wt 4pc travel rod and I’m having some trouble taking the sections apart.  Is there a standard method for lubricating the joints of rods? Also, I find the action of this rod superb if I jam the sections in pretty hard (hence the problem!), but pretty sluggish if not.  Am I doing anything wrong?  Should I go to a 6wt line? Appreciate any help. Shaun

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well might as well put my two cents in. Rub the male ends on your nose or forhead, seriously the little bit of oil from your skin is just enough to do the trick. And pull the sections apart by placing them behind your knees and hold them tight and spread your legs slightly and they should pull apart without twisting them off.An older gentleman showed me this trick on a bamboo rod i have that i’m afraid of breaking and they wrere on there good jim If this a graphite rod, then rub a candle on the male end of the ferrule to give a thin coat of wax once every 3 months or so, and the joint will be good shape. I have a St. Croix 8.5′ 5wt 4pc travel rod and I’m having some trouble taking the sections apart.  Is there a standard method for lubricating the joints of rods? Also, I find the action of this rod superb if I jam the sections in pretty hard (hence the problem!), but pretty sluggish if not.  Am I doing anything wrong?  Should I go to a 6wt line? Appreciate any help. Shaun

_______  Everyone has failed "Ferrules 201"  (Lubrication Course) The Metallics of Nickel Silver dictates that the metal itself is its own best lubricant and smoothness of inserting (this sounds sexy) is determined by polish and/or the micro finish that is put on with a finish of 1500 Grit. What everyone needs to do is keep their male and female parts of their ferrules clean.  Grit and grime are your worst enemy excepting of course, yourselves for not keeping your male and female parts clean. Keep all lubricants off of your ferrules altogether.  It is dirt that wears ferrules out and it is dirt that makes them stick together and difficult to take apart.  If this occurs, use a cotton swab and a little ivory (a very mild, neural PHfactor soap to lean out your female ferrules) soap.  This product does not affect any of the varnish, epoxy, or thread finishes.  The female ferrule has a plug inside, so no solutions will get into the end of your fly rod inside and swell or rot bamboo woods over time.  The same holds true with graphite fly rod ferrules in that graphite is its own best lubricant. You don’t want to try and help fly rods to come apart.  It they fly apart while fly fishing, you may  have very dirty ferrules and you are not getting an airtight fit.  Or!  Your ferrules may be worn out and need replacing. This is the end of ‘rod joint lubrication 201.’ Any questions? — Mr. G.

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Yes, I too find myself fishing for ‘gills and crappies quite often. Whenever I take children fishing, which is pretty often in the summer, the almost constant action keeps them really excited. Besides pan fish are a lot more tasty than any other freshwater fish…..IMHO Dear Readers         Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them? I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail, Thanks BradLaGrange

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haven’t fish for ‘em much, but I heard of a killer tip:  in the fall, after the 2nd or 3rd good cold front, go fish the absolute deepest part of the lake (reservoir) with crickets – fish on the bottom,this is where the monster ‘gills are……. — ‘92 Dak CC 2wd 318 3.55 ‘84 GoldWing Interstate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Readers        Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them? I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail, Thanks BradLaGrange PS-Sorry for my crude typing, my hands are really stiff from the splitting wood in the cold.

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Yeah I like to fish for"we call’em bluegill" out here in Oregon. Right now it is pretty cold for them. Ialso like to go fishing for perch. My son & I have agood spot to fish for perch & bluegil. My son lives up in Washington state & we always get enough for a good fish dinner.I also

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       Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them? I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail,

Brad Count me in – on the water, or on the ice, if they will bite, I’ll fish for them. Wild rice beds in August is where I’ve had the best sucess – in about 5-6′ of water, using about .5-.75" section of leach, with about a #8 or #10 hook and a balsa wood pencil type bobber. Combine that w/ an ultra light and 4 or 6# test line and I’m a happy camper. And just to keep it interesting – look out for the occasional LM Bass or Northern. No better eating fish either. Later Jim

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Dear Readers         Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them? I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail, Thanks BradLaGrange PS-Sorry for my crude typing, my hands are really stiff from the splitting wood in the cold.

   You’ll find that most fly fishermen in the deep south pursue panfish and other warm water species (aint a lotta trout in Fl.) myself included. Some trout flies work well such as the wooly bugger and all the terestrials. Crawfish imitations are also productive as are grass shrimp. small poppers in various colors also put food on the table. I use the 7.5′(because of brush) 3 piece 3wt Cabela’s three forks rod for panfish. It’s a great little rod though a bit soft feeling to cast but has plenty of backbone. Use 7x tippets. It’s a real lark netting a 1lb panfish and to my way of thinking is the ultimate fishing experience.                                                           John Popp                                                         in Sanford Fl.

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I dig um’ Tim Apple " Always one step closer to going Postal! " – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Readers         Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them? I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail, Thanks BradLaGrange PS-Sorry for my crude typing, my hands are really stiff from the splitting wood in the cold.   You’ll find that most fly fishermen in the deep south pursue panfish and other warm water species (aint a lotta trout in Fl.) myself included. Some trout flies work well such as the wooly bugger and all the terestrials. Crawfish imitations are also productive as are grass shrimp. small poppers in various colors also put food on the table. I use the 7.5′(because of brush) 3 piece 3wt Cabela’s three forks rod for panfish. It’s a great little rod though a bit soft feeling to cast but has plenty of backbone. Use 7x tippets. It’s a real lark netting a 1lb panfish and to my way of thinking is the ultimate fishing experience.                                                          John Popp                                                        in Sanford Fl.

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Dear Readers         Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them? I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail, Thanks BradLaGrange PS-Sorry for my crude typing, my hands are really stiff from the splitting wood in the cold.

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Dear Readers         Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them?

YES!  Down here in AL I have access to a pond that is loaded with big black-headed, thick bream.  I love that "side to side" action and screaming microlight drag when I hook into one.  Besides that, they taste better than a bass any day!  I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail, Thanks BradLaGrange PS-Sorry for my crude typing, my hands are really stiff from the splitting wood in the cold.

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Oh Yes! Two of my all time favorites is the Red Ear and the Pumpkinseed. People don’t know what fun these little guys can be. Here in SW MO there are a couple of small lakes full of Panfish. Down in this area the best bait is a small squirrel tail jig + wax worms. The largest Red Ear taken from on of the lakes was a little over 12". !0" fish a common around here which in turn, takes less to make a tasty meal. Kevin Way – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Readers        Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them? I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail, Thanks BradLaGrange PS-Sorry for my crude typing, my hands are really stiff from the splitting wood in the cold.

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Couple that with the fact that even the cheap graphite rods are dream tackle compared with what I used to use when I started, and there is no more argument for an expensive rod.

I’ve noticed that about many sports.  The people who’ve done it the longest don’t feel they need the fancy gear. At the rate of technological advance experienced in recent years a "great"(expensive) rod (or anything else for that matter) of 10 years ago is probably comparable to a decent model today. With some notable exceptions.   55 T-bird 58-61 Vette 67 – 69 Camaero 69-71 Chevelle 71 455 Vette 455 Olds Oh, but those are all pre oil crisis cars. Never mind…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Couple that with the fact that even the cheap graphite rods are dream tackle compared with what I used to use when I started, and there is no more argument for an expensive rod. I’ve noticed that about many sports.  The people who’ve done it the longest don’t feel they need the fancy gear. At the rate of technological advance experienced in recent years a "great"(expensive) rod (or anything else for that matter) of 10 years ago is probably comparable to a decent model today. With some notable exceptions. 55 T-bird 58-61 Vette 67 – 69 Camaero 69-71 Chevelle 71 455 Vette 455 Olds

Don’t forget the 401c" Jeep Wagoneer-quadratrack, all wheel lock in the glove box, a few twiddles and tweeks and you have an over 500hp leviathon. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, but those are all pre oil crisis cars. Never mind…

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Hello all from a longtime lurker. I agree with the cheapest rod to get the job done.  Here is my wonderful challenge: My wife has really taken to flyfishing and wants a rod and reel of her own instead of borrowing from others.  I completely understand.  We want to spend time hiking and fishing, so I am looking for a 8-9′ 4-6wt. 4 pc. rod for western ID and WA fishing.  I am currently using the Cabela’s willow creek combo.  I really like it and it is still available for $90.  Should I get this, or is there another cheaper rod I can get for us? Thanks and considering myself blessed! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     It’s like my 3wt if you remember ,the pretty little one with the wood insert except it is a graphite reel seat. It’s a Cabela’s special from flyer code #85-1001 stock#85-31-3111 it’s the rod from the youth combo-try it with that 3wt reel and line you use and see if it won’t do a passable job. If not, extra spool and line for 5wt for those big brookies you keep penned in back of your store. In JUNE !                                                          John Popp

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all from a longtime lurker. I agree with the cheapest rod to get the job done.  Here is my wonderful challenge: My wife has really taken to flyfishing and wants a rod and reel of her own instead of borrowing from others.  I completely understand.  We want to spend time hiking and fishing, so I am looking for a 8-9′ 4-6wt. 4 pc. rod for western ID and WA fishing.  I am currently using the Cabela’s willow creek combo.  I really like it and it is still available for $90.  Should I get this, or is there another cheaper rod I can get for us? Thanks and considering myself blessed!     It’s like my 3wt if you remember ,the pretty little one with the wood insert except it is a graphite reel seat. It’s a Cabela’s special from flyer code #85-1001 stock#85-31-3111 it’s the rod from the youth combo-try it with that 3wt reel and line you use and see if it won’t do a passable job. If not, extra spool and line for 5wt for those big brookies you keep penned in back of your store. In JUNE !                                                          John Popp

    My recommendation is the youth(see above) matched with the winchester reel(now on sale at $35.00) or one of the combos in the Cabela’s fly fishing catalog. I’m not in any way connected with them but I find the best deals there for the beginner. By the way mine arrived in a plastic rod case with sock. The case sells for 9.95 so the rod (priced at 29.95) actually cost $20 bucks. The case is big enough that I have the 5wt youth, 3wt three forks, and 7wt 11′ 3 piece Abu Garcia with sox all stored in it. The case fits nicely in the truck even with tool box.                                                           John Popp                                                         in Sanford Fl.

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One great choice is the Cortland Fairplay, available at WalMart for $39.95.    I bought one for my girlfriends boys, and it is great!  It is a bit soft, but practically casts itself.   I taught a buddy to cast with it, and he would rather use it than one of my better (faster) rods. Bob Scott

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Walt, that has been my opinion for some time.  When I go down I want a rod and reel I can toss to one side and worry about what happens to me, not some expensive equipment. — Ernie Harrison

It may sell for $300 or Less and this BastardBamboo may be cheap to buy, but it will stand up to anything ever made in America.  Sorry Ernie.  You’re going to have t drown and for cheap stuff at that. George

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I should have printed the message, but didn’t.  Someone submitted an exercise where you use the tip of your fly rod and practice casting indoors.  Could that person re-send that message?  I’m new to fly fishing and would like to practice indoors.

This practice method seems to have been proposed first by Lee Wulff about 40 years ago, mainly to teach timing.  Instead of a fly line you use a thickish rope of lightweight wool, such as is used to tie curtains or ornamental parcels, about 10 to 12 feet long.  It works. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I should have printed the message, but didn’t.  Someone submitted an exercise where you use the tip of your fly rod and practice casting indoors.  Could that person re-send that message?  I’m new to fly fishing and would like to practice indoors. Thanks and Good Fishing Gary

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Gary, what you do is run thick yarn through the guides of the end of your rod as if it was the actual fly line. Its a good way to begin to understand the principles of casting, for example casting a wide loop as opposed to a narrow loop, that sort of thing. Hope this helps. Kevin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I should have printed the message, but didn’t.  Someone submitted an exercise where you use the tip of your fly rod and practice casting indoors.  Could that person re-send that message?  I’m new to fly fishing and would like to practice indoors. Thanks and Good Fishing Gary

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[...] BTW, my fly vest contains about a half-bottle each of "Gink" and "Xink". They’ll be the last I’ll buy. Anyone else want to join this boycott?

Yes, I’d be MORE than happy to. Besides, I picked up a huge container of Albolene during my stay in the US anyway… — | Environmental Toxicology Section | phone: +31 30 535338              | | Utrecht University               | fax:   +31 30 535077              | | the Netherlands                  |                                   |

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[...] I thought it was pretty damn entertaining. I mean, here are all these flyfishers wandering into this newsgroup looking for tips on tying humpies, or instructions on how to fix the zippers on their gravel guards and what do they find: George Gehrke, beloved creator of Gehrke’s Gink, going completely freakin’ batshit in a tirade that would have made Adolph Coors blush. It was great! Bring him back here! He’s got balls the size of church bells, and this newsgroup (indeed, perhaps even the world of angling as we know it) needs more like him!

I don’t think this is entertaining at all. Out of curiosity I sometimes wander into rec.outdoors.fishing.fly (which I abandoned way before there even was a rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, just rec.outdoors.fishing), and time and again fall right into a similar raving, name-calling, rabid flamefest. Enough to make me realize why I switched r.o.f.f. for the And George Gehrke might have balls the size of church bells, but he certainly has a brain the size of the brain of our beloved quarry — or as we more commonly say: the size of a pea. And I will buy no more of his products and will actively pursue that more Europeans act likewise… — | Environmental Toxicology Section | phone: +31 30 535338              | | Utrecht University               | fax:   +31 30 535077              | | the Netherlands                  |                                   |

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The..(lot’s of shortwave radioesque editorial snipped)..Arrrrgh!!! A.J.Thramer

Y’know A.J., it’s not so much your opinion that bugs me, it’s your absolute view that only you, and those who share your views, are right and good.  Also, your narrow minded definition of those who DO something for a living is a load of crap (IMHO, of course). Ross

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [massive snip] I really think I’m wasting my time here. Color me gone. [snip again] I’ve about had enough of this net business anyhow.  My time is better used elsewhere. Color me gone. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink Yikes! I think we’ve just witnessed a self proclaimed "Professional Sportsman" go completely postal on the internet… That was the all time worst display of "professionalism" I’ve read in a long while, completely devoid of "sportsmanship". It was, in fact, simply a rant. Confronted with simple truth, he blew his brains out into the ether (not a pretty sight at all)…

I thought it was pretty damn entertaining. I mean, here are all these flyfishers wandering into this newsgroup looking for tips on tying humpies, or instructions on how to fix the zippers on their gravel guards and what do they find: George Gehrke, beloved creator of Gehrke’s Gink, going completely freakin’ batshit in a tirade that would have made Adolph Coors blush. It was great! Bring him back here! He’s got balls the size of church bells, and this newsgroup (indeed, perhaps even the world of angling as we know it) needs more like him!   George, if you’re still out there, switch to decaf, stop sniffing the Gink, turn off the Rush Limbo show, and get a grip…There’s room for you here…

Right on, but skip the "grip" part. And the decaf. Spinolio

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I’d support a tax hike if Billy would use it to get the end of his nose fixed so that it did not look so much like a penis. TimW

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Norm…those six occasions you mention wouldn’t have had any "pork" attached for the democrats agenda by any chance would they ? I believe there may have been a little more to those "occasions" than a vote on the environment. If not I would really like to know, pure speculation on my part but any details would be nice.

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I wouldn’t support anything Clinton proposes but I do agree his nose looks like a penis. I can’t imagine what his penis looks like!

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I wouldn’t support anything Clinton proposes but I do agree his nose looks like a penis. I can’t imagine what his penis looks like!

So this explains why you support Dole: you want a President who lacks any sign of a working penis. Steve

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The second ammendment has absolutelyNOTHING to do with hunting and/or sporting arms. It has everything to do with the right of the people to self protection, whether from the local burgler or the an overactive government that has lost its contact with the people. A flock of killer ducks was not what the framers had in mind.   Does anyone really think that the excise money is 100% apropriated back to sporting causes? If there is even ONE person who believes that I can get you a hot deal on a bridge…..  As an example look up the figures on aircraft use taxes, gasoline road taxes and I am quite sure a list of examples ad nauseum.   Mr Gherke was perhaps a bit vehement in his rhetoric but his facts have been well documented and I for one agree with his message if not exactly his tone. This is turning into a society of citizens who want to ‘feel’ good. Damn the facts and full speed ahead on the good ship lollipop. Sometimes the facts are unpleasant or painful. Bubbas reputation is one of a terrible joke among the international community. Hi duck hunting episode last year made me gag.   IMHO Gherkes right, an opinion shared by most people who make,repair,sell,build or in short DO something to earn a living. Go ahead FEEL good and send the country down a payh that will lead to a place where everyone is a victim and no one can afford to make a living.   I use his products because they are the best available and will happily continue to purchase same!    Election by sound bite!!! Arrrrgh!!! A.J.Thramer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : ——DEFEAT THE DOPE SMOKING, DRAFT DODGING, GUN HATING, COCAIN : SNIFFING, MENA VISITOR (Fly In Site for his Coke Habit In Oklahoma) TWO Well, I’m not certain how this fits into the discussion on the taxation of outdoor equipment Those with short memories and/or brain damage (Mr. Gehrke, perhaps?) sould be reminded that all hunting and fishing gear sold in the US has, for years, been subject to special excise taxes (generally referred to as "Pitman-Robertson" and "Dingell-Johnson", after the legislative sponsors). These taxes have been a notable success, mainly because they are "earmarked" for specific purposes, and don’t go into general revenue. Thus, a proposal for extending the base for these taxes *should* be discussed rationally, not by referring to ‘two-faced lying whore hoppers’. As for "draft dodging", Mr. Gehrke is just out of touch. The Vietnam era was indeed controversial. Those of draft age at that time could fall into four basic categories: 1. agreed with the war, and went – gotta respect these guys 2. harboured major doubts that the war was right, but went anyway – can appreciate the dilemma that these guys faced, gotta respect them too 3. believed the war was wrong, and didn’t go – obviously a group Mr. Gehrke despises, but making a decision of that nature involved significant personal sacrifice for many (living just 6 miles north of the US border, I know how many of my neighbours are US expats) 4. believed that the war was a great thing, provided someone else went; "preserve my ass, but ship out the farm boys and ghetto rats" ; these pond scum include Dan Quayle (whose daddy bought him a postion in the Guard) and Rush Limbaugh (whose family hired a specialist to come up with a medical problem that the army doc couldn’t find); no way anyone should respect these turds I’d respect Mr. Gehrke’s disgust with the folks in group 3 if I didn’t suspect he was kissing the asses of the sleazeballs in group 4. : VOTE DOLE IF YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR GUNS AND YOUR HERITAGE. Of course, in the event that the Republicans are too successful (i.e. Dole in the White House, with the Newtzies still running the House), the question becomes academic – yes, you’ll be able to own as many guns as you want, but there will be nothing to hunt (and nowhere to go to hunt). And, if the water’s unsafe to drink, there ain’t gonna be a lot of fishing around either. This isn’t a Democrat/ Republican issue (respect a lot of folks on both sides) or a liberal/conservative issue (as above), but a *sane/insane* issue. Now, I guess the next major question is : I’ve read more posts from Mr. Gehrke than I really want to, given that his style (rabid) and his orientation (screw the environment, I wanna go fishing) are so extreme. Why does Mr. Gehrke, who owes his livelihood to the existence of a healthy environment, take such anti-environmental stands? BTW, my fly vest contains about a half-bottle each of "Gink" and "Xink". They’ll be the last I’ll buy. Anyone else want to join this boycott? 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341   My, My, How mean-spirted we are today, hows the clear cutting going in B.C. ? Did the republicans get into Canada also ?   Just asking..   Harry

I think the original post by Mr. Gehrke was much more "mean spirited" than Tom’s, and at least Tom took some time to flesh out his thoughts instead of posting the all-caps, right-wing bumper sticker that George threw out. Just because you disagree with Tom’s reply, Harry, doesn’t make his message "mean spirited". Still, I’m very glad that Mr. Gehrke came out and stated his political beliefs so bluntly so that those like myself who flatly disagree can now avoid his products. Spinolio

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I don’t think this is entertaining at all. Out of curiosity I sometimes wander into rec.outdoors.fishing.fly (which I abandoned way before there even was a rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, just rec.outdoors.fishing), and time and again fall right into a similar raving, name-calling, rabid flamefest. Enough to make me realize why I switched r.o.f.f. for the And George Gehrke might have balls the size of church bells, but he certainly has a brain the size of the brain of our beloved quarry — or as we more commonly say: the size of a pea. And I will buy no more of his products and will actively pursue that more Europeans act likewise… the size of a pea…don’t really correspond to flaming anyone you……really we don’t

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I wouldn’t support anything Clinton proposes but I do agree his nose looks like a penis. I can’t imagine what his penis looks like! So this explains why you support Dole: you want a President who lacks any sign of a working penis. Steve

   Or law suits associated with the unbridled use of said unit. Where is  L  Bobbit  when you need her !   Harry  " If this is the Bridge to the 21st Century, I hope to God  Kennedy is not driving "

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I wouldn’t support anything Clinton proposes but I do agree his nose looks like a penis. I can’t imagine what his penis looks like! So this explains why you support Dole: you want a President who lacks any sign of a working penis.

they’re both lying. TimW

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Actually the final Senate count was all 50 Republican senators, because after the Ted Williams’ "Dirty Dozen"  article in Fly Rod and Reel went to press, the one Democrat, Sen. Shelby,  showed his true unenvironmental colors and switched to the Republican party. Should we read anything into this? Should this voting record be a factor in how we vote on election day? For me, it will be a major factor.

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[massive snip] I really think I’m wasting my time here. Color me gone.

[snip again] I’ve about had enough of this net business anyhow.  My time is better used elsewhere. Color me gone. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink

Yikes! I think we’ve just witnessed a self proclaimed "Professional Sportsman" go completely postal on the internet… That was the all time worst display of "professionalism" I’ve read in a long while, completely devoid of "sportsmanship". It was, in fact, simply a rant. Confronted with simple truth, he blew his brains out into the ether (not a pretty sight at all)… George, if you’re still out there, switch to decaf, stop sniffing the Gink, turn off the Rush Limbo show, and get a grip…There’s room for you here… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.     Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus            Maynard, Massachusetts < <      Charter Member of "Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinions expressed herein may not be shared by             my employer, etc…

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I wasn’t aware that the rabid and absurd Mr. Gherke in this group was the same who makes fly floatant.  If this is true (and I’d like confirmation of same), then I second the boycott motion.  This guy is hell-bent on destroying our resources for his own gain; something I don’t want to support.  Instead, I’ll use the environmentally friendly products made by Loon.

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: ——DEFEAT THE DOPE SMOKING, DRAFT DODGING, GUN HATING, COCAIN : SNIFFING, MENA VISITOR (Fly In Site for his Coke Habit In Oklahoma) TWO Mr. Gherke: I read with dismay your response to our neighbor from the North.  My disappointment is not with your political views; you are entitled to express those as you wish.  Rather, I take issue with the discourteous and disrespectful way in which you have attacked the President of the United States in this international forum.  You behavior undermines the integrity and honor of our nation.  I shudder to think that the international community regards behavior such as yours as the norm for all Americans. Recently in the fly tying newgroup, you wrote about loyalty to U.S. manufacturers and their products.  You stated, "If Americans will not support Americans, then who will?"  Your conduct in this forum reveals your hypocricy.  No matter what you think of his policies or performance in office, you owe it to your nation and your fellow citizens to accord President Clinton the respect he and his office deserve.  If you dislike his policies or personal conduct, I urge you to exercise your right to vote against him and campaign for his political opponent in a constructive way. But personal attacks that disparage not just the man but the office have no place in civilized political discourse. I do not mean to imply that those who hold views similar to yours have a monopoly on discourtesy.  The legions who attacked President Nixon during his tenure were guilty of the same lack of honor.  More recently, arch-conservatives such as Rush Limbaugh and Bob Grant have helped institutionalize disrespect.  It is not an issue of politics, it is a matter of manners, pure and simple.  Hysterical and personal invective, whether liberal or conservative, sways no one’s opinion.  It simply tells others that Americans are a bunch of boors.  To say nothing of what we are teaching our children! Indeed, I believe that Americans have become fed up with negativism and discourtesy in the political process.  IMO, the best messages to come from the presidential debate held last night in Hartford were the expressions of professional respect and personal amity that each candidate holds for the other.  If you respect Mr. Dole, your chosen candidate, at all, then I suggest you follow his example of courteous and honorable conduct. I also urge you to retract your statements and apologize for the poor behavior you have exhibited in front of thousands of people.  While you are entitled to your policitcal views, you are not entitled to disparage America at the same time that you ask for the loyalty of Americans.  It is for this reason that I intend to join the boycott of your products. Respectfully, Michael Zuch

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Tom, Good post! I won’t buy any Gink or Xink either. An interesting article appeared in the April 1996 issue of Fly Rod & Reel entitled "Out of Touch" by Ted Williams. Information in the article was collated by the National Wildlife Foundation. The article makes for interesting reading, but a portion lists the "dirty dozens" …."those listed are the dirtiest of the dirty; to make this compliation, they had to enter an anti-enviornmental vote on at least five of six occasions."(page 40) The Senate list had 49 Republicans and 1 Democrat. The House had 176 republicans and 13 Democrats. Mr.Dole made the list with five out of a possible of six anti-enviornmental votes. Norm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tom, Good post! I won’t buy any Gink or Xink either. An interesting article appeared in the April 1996 issue of Fly Rod & Reel entitled "Out of Touch" by Ted Williams. Information in the article was collated by the National Wildlife Foundation. The article makes for interesting reading, but a portion lists the "dirty dozens" …."those listed are the dirtiest of the dirty; to make this compliation, they had to enter an anti-enviornmental vote on at least five of six occasions."(page 40) The Senate list had 49 Republicans and 1 Democrat. The House had 176 republicans and 13 Democrats. Mr.Dole made the list with five out of a possible of six anti-enviornmental votes. Norm

  As Spinolio has rightly pointed out, the tone of George’s post was none too sweet. I am not condoning how he stated his feelings.  I also think he passed the point of "good taste".   What I do find amusing is the flight by some, on angelic wings, too some self-ordanined "higher ground". It is patently bullfeathers. Your above quoted article was printed on paper from trees, yes folks, trees that most likely where the result of clear cutting, are we all going to cancel our subscription ??  .  Mr Williams myopic views are well known and his cutting down of trees to get them printed is no less " anti-enviromental" than the people he  harpoons editorially.  How much tool oil went down some river to get your reels made?  Did your return the reel ?  How many Dams provide power so you can run your computer ? Do you shut your power off in protest?  The hypocrisy is knee deep here     The very idea that this "Holy" sport is a "non-impact", environmentally PC way of entertainment, is absolute crap on the face of it, and if you think that by partaking in this "hobby" you are somehow an environmentalist, you had better look again.  It is a blood sport that requires one to use, yes use , natural resources to partake. This is a contact sport folks, we impact the river, lake, creek environs  hard and to think we do not is teaching what to our children ?.    I don’t mean to point toward you per say Norm , it is just that there is an aroma about this that makes me gag. George is not the only one who may want to apologize "internationally", what ever that means.   It’s Monday…   Harry

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Fact is Mr. Clinton has been in office for 4 years and some very tough gun regulating laws have been passed…as far as I know no sportsman has had his or her hunting rifle confiscated….second fact…there is no question which Presidential candidate will better protect our natural resources…third fact, the Vietnam war was nothing like WW1 or WW2…to use that war as a litimus test of ones patriotism is absurd…55,000 American men and women died to satisfy the hard ons of politicians and big business…fourth fact..Mr Gehreke is intitled to think what he wants of Bill Clinton, but he should check into the reality a bit more before openning his mouth.  Thanks for your time and bandwidth.

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Snip, snip, snip, snip, snip… I gotta say that I find this ad-hominem, mouth-foaming, pissing-contest sort of post really nauseating on this newsgroup, which I thought was for people who enjoy the __peace and quiet__ that goes along with fly-fishing. Sure, let’s fight for what we hold dear; but calling people filthy names just because they wrote out a carefully considered opinion that doesn’t agree with you, is offputting and embarrassing to see in a newsgroup like this. Just my $.02 CDN. — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, ichthyophile. Toronto, Ontario, Canada. see my illustrations at http://www.mackerel.com/fish/home.html

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: ——DEFEAT THE DOPE SMOKING, DRAFT DODGING, GUN HATING, COCAIN : SNIFFING, MENA VISITOR (Fly In Site for his Coke Habit In Oklahoma) TWO Well, I’m not certain how this fits into the discussion on the taxation of outdoor equipment Those with short memories and/or brain damage (Mr. Gehrke, perhaps?) sould be reminded that all hunting and fishing gear sold in the US has, for years, been subject to special excise taxes (generally referred to as "Pitman-Robertson" and "Dingell-Johnson", after the legislative sponsors). These taxes have been a notable success, mainly because they are "earmarked" for specific purposes, and don’t go into general revenue. Thus, a proposal for extending the base for these taxes *should* be discussed rationally, not by referring to ‘two-faced lying whore hoppers’. As for "draft dodging", Mr. Gehrke is just out of touch. The Vietnam era was indeed controversial. Those of draft age at that time could fall into four basic categories: 1. agreed with the war, and went – gotta respect these guys 2. harboured major doubts that the war was right, but went anyway – can appreciate the dilemma that these guys faced, gotta respect them too 3. believed the war was wrong, and didn’t go – obviously a group Mr. Gehrke despises, but making a decision of that nature involved significant personal sacrifice for many (living just 6 miles north of the US border, I know how many of my neighbours are US expats) 4. believed that the war was a great thing, provided someone else went; "preserve my ass, but ship out the farm boys and ghetto rats" ; these pond scum include Dan Quayle (whose daddy bought him a postion in the Guard) and Rush Limbaugh (whose family hired a specialist to come up with a medical problem that the army doc couldn’t find); no way anyone should respect these turds I’d respect Mr. Gehrke’s disgust with the folks in group 3 if I didn’t suspect he was kissing the asses of the sleazeballs in group 4. : VOTE DOLE IF YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR GUNS AND YOUR HERITAGE. Of course, in the event that the Republicans are too successful (i.e. Dole in the White House, with the Newtzies still running the House), the question becomes academic – yes, you’ll be able to own as many guns as you want, but there will be nothing to hunt (and nowhere to go to hunt). And, if the water’s unsafe to drink, there ain’t gonna be a lot of fishing around either. This isn’t a Democrat/ Republican issue (respect a lot of folks on both sides) or a liberal/conservative issue (as above), but a *sane/insane* issue. Now, I guess the next major question is : I’ve read more posts from Mr. Gehrke than I really want to, given that his style (rabid) and his orientation (screw the environment, I wanna go fishing) are so extreme. Why does Mr. Gehrke, who owes his livelihood to the existence of a healthy environment, take such anti-environmental stands? BTW, my fly vest contains about a half-bottle each of "Gink" and "Xink". They’ll be the last I’ll buy. Anyone else want to join this boycott? 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : ——DEFEAT THE DOPE SMOKING, DRAFT DODGING, GUN HATING, COCAIN : SNIFFING, MENA VISITOR (Fly In Site for his Coke Habit In Oklahoma) TWO Well, I’m not certain how this fits into the discussion on the taxation of outdoor equipment Those with short memories and/or brain damage (Mr. Gehrke, perhaps?) sould be reminded that all hunting and fishing gear sold in the US has, for years, been subject to special excise taxes (generally referred to as "Pitman-Robertson" and "Dingell-Johnson", after the legislative sponsors). These taxes have been a notable success, mainly because they are "earmarked" for specific purposes, and don’t go into general revenue. Thus, a proposal for extending the base for these taxes *should* be discussed rationally, not by referring to ‘two-faced lying whore hoppers’. As for "draft dodging", Mr. Gehrke is just out of touch. The Vietnam era was indeed controversial. Those of draft age at that time could fall into four basic categories: 1. agreed with the war, and went – gotta respect these guys 2. harboured major doubts that the war was right, but went anyway – can appreciate the dilemma that these guys faced, gotta respect them too 3. believed the war was wrong, and didn’t go – obviously a group Mr. Gehrke despises, but making a decision of that nature involved significant personal sacrifice for many (living just 6 miles north of the US border, I know how many of my neighbours are US expats) 4. believed that the war was a great thing, provided someone else went; "preserve my ass, but ship out the farm boys and ghetto rats" ; these pond scum include Dan Quayle (whose daddy bought him a postion in the Guard) and Rush Limbaugh (whose family hired a specialist to come up with a medical problem that the army doc couldn’t find); no way anyone should respect these turds I’d respect Mr. Gehrke’s disgust with the folks in group 3 if I didn’t suspect he was kissing the asses of the sleazeballs in group 4. : VOTE DOLE IF YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR GUNS AND YOUR HERITAGE. Of course, in the event that the Republicans are too successful (i.e. Dole in the White House, with the Newtzies still running the House), the question becomes academic – yes, you’ll be able to own as many guns as you want, but there will be nothing to hunt (and nowhere to go to hunt). And, if the water’s unsafe to drink, there ain’t gonna be a lot of fishing around either. This isn’t a Democrat/ Republican issue (respect a lot of folks on both sides) or a liberal/conservative issue (as above), but a *sane/insane* issue. Now, I guess the next major question is : I’ve read more posts from Mr. Gehrke than I really want to, given that his style (rabid) and his orientation (screw the environment, I wanna go fishing) are so extreme. Why does Mr. Gehrke, who owes his livelihood to the existence of a healthy environment, take such anti-environmental stands? BTW, my fly vest contains about a half-bottle each of "Gink" and "Xink". They’ll be the last I’ll buy. Anyone else want to join this boycott? 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

  My, My, How mean-spirted we are today, hows the clear cutting going in B.C. ? Did the republicans get into Canada also ?   Just asking..   Harry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : ——DEFEAT THE DOPE SMOKING, DRAFT DODGING, GUN HATING, COCAIN : SNIFFING, MENA VISITOR (Fly In Site for his Coke Habit In Oklahoma) TWO Well, I’m not certain how this fits into the discussion on the taxation of outdoor equipment Those with short memories and/or brain damage (Mr. Gehrke, perhaps?) sould be reminded that all hunting and fishing gear sold in the US has, for years, been subject to special excise taxes (generally referred to as "Pitman-Robertson" and "Dingell-Johnson", after the legislative sponsors). These taxes have been a notable success, mainly because they are "earmarked" for specific purposes, and don’t go into general revenue. Thus, a proposal for extending the base for these taxes *should* be discussed rationally, not by referring to ‘two-faced lying whore hoppers’. As for "draft dodging", Mr. Gehrke is just out of touch. The Vietnam era was indeed controversial. Those of draft age at that time could fall into four basic categories: 1. agreed with the war, and went – gotta respect these guys 2. harboured major doubts that the war was right, but went anyway – can appreciate the dilemma that these guys faced, gotta respect them too 3. believed the war was wrong, and didn’t go – obviously a group Mr. Gehrke despises, but making a decision of that nature involved significant personal sacrifice for many (living just 6 miles north of the US border, I know how many of my neighbours are US expats) 4. believed that the war was a great thing, provided someone else went; "preserve my ass, but ship out the farm boys and ghetto rats" ; these pond scum include Dan Quayle (whose daddy bought him a postion in the Guard) and Rush Limbaugh (whose family hired a specialist to come up with a medical problem that the army doc couldn’t find); no way anyone should respect these turds I’d respect Mr. Gehrke’s disgust with the folks in group 3 if I didn’t suspect he was kissing the asses of the sleazeballs in group 4. : VOTE DOLE IF YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR GUNS AND YOUR HERITAGE. Of course, in the event that the Republicans are too successful (i.e. Dole in the White House, with the Newtzies still running the House), the question becomes academic – yes, you’ll be able to own as many guns as you want, but there will be nothing to hunt (and nowhere to go to hunt). And, if the water’s unsafe to drink, there ain’t gonna be a lot of fishing around either. This isn’t a Democrat/ Republican issue (respect a lot of folks on both sides) or a liberal/conservative issue (as above), but a *sane/insane* issue. Now, I guess the next major question is : I’ve read more posts from Mr. Gehrke than I really want to, given that his style (rabid) and his orientation (screw the environment, I wanna go fishing) are so extreme. Why does Mr. Gehrke, who owes his livelihood to the existence of a healthy environment, take such anti-environmental stands? BTW, my fly vest contains about a half-bottle each of "Gink" and "Xink". They’ll be the last I’ll buy. Anyone else want to join this boycott? 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

It is evident that a Canadian, who may have harbored the idea of draft dodgers isn’t anyone I care to do business with anyways. That a Canadian has the reasons to justify why Americans should be draft dodgers, such as Slick Willie Clinton as opposed to the WWII Combat Soldier that is now running against  him, Bob Dole, I regard as a vacilating mind that is concerned about his own best interests and not that of his neighbors who were willing to die for his views, as wrong as they are. So, if you want to start a boycott, be my guest.  But don’t go around saying that I’m against good environmental stands and taxing, taxing, taxing is NOT the solution.  Not being responsible in defending the general public AGAINST POLITICAL TAXING IDEAS SUCH AS YOURS, would be criminal.  Not fighting the U.S. Forest Service with their sick plans to destroy our last remaining National Virgin Forests, is pure laziness and apathy.  My passion is against people who hold opposite points of view to these premises.  My record regarding my life long fight to uphold and prevent the special interests from destroying what remains for our childrens tomorrows is well documented.  I take special offense to your stupid, shallow, and outright filthy lies and acquisations to the contrary.  It is my company and my dollars and my staff and our persistant efforts over decades of work that have fought the good fight. Where the hell do you get off telling everybody that I have anti-environmental stands?  I spend thousands of dollars of Gink money every years supporting Trout Clubs, Many Chapers of T.U. the Federation of Fly Fishermen, Political candiates who care about your outdoor inventories . . . and because I don’t want the slick politicians taxing bikers, camping gear . . . you assume the worse?  You’re a very ill-informed, close-minded, selfish sonofabitch! In a lifetime of blood, sweat and tears, of writing letters, of digging in and putting my money where my mouth is, where were you in America? I’ll tell you where.  No where!  Never, in tens of thousands of dollars of donations to preserving, protecting and defending the enviornment has anyone . . . ANYONE . . . ever even said, "thank you". Well, I don’t want anyone’s thanks.  I haven’t given my entire life to the great American Outdoors to solicite anyones ‘thanks’.  I don’t need it.  Don’t want it. But you sir.  Are a pompous, ignorant person who knows NOTHING of what he is talking about. So, had you not snipped or had the full benefit of the entire thread of where our original distain for Slick Willie Clinton had started, you would have realized the justification for calling this liar of a President down for what he is.  Dishonest, unhonorable, and a yuppie who has not served this country, who is now a President that has not stopped the clear cutting timber barons, nor the dam builders, nor any of the rape that continues in outdoor America by special interests, even as I speak and you listen. I really think I’m wasting my time here. Color me gone. Do with my products what you want.  They still are the world’s best that you can buy.  If you want to go second class, that is your choice.  We have always appreciated our supporters business.  But if you think you can black-mail me . . . think again. At least you didn’t do business with a compromiser.  They will say anything to fall in line with such as yourself. I won’t. Tight lines always in the fond memories my products have given you. That, to me is the main satisfaction I’ve had on your life.  I’ve given you the best that is in me.  You can never that away.  Its too late. You want to take prisoners.  I don’t want any. I’ve about had enough of this net business anyhow.  My time is better used elsewhere. Color me gone. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink

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: Anybody know what ever happened to Ned Grey and Ned Grey’s Sierra Tackle : of Montrose, California?  Ned’s was one of the early fly shops, maybe : the first in southern California.  He invented the Streaker SW fly and : pioneered saltwater flyfishing in SoCal.  I last saw Sierra Tackle : catalogue in about 1974, I think.  If anybody has some information, I’d : appreciate hearing. Ned Grey died almost 20 years ago and his stock was bought up. William Buchman …I’m confused

Yes you may be. Sierra Tackle went out of business about twenty years ago but Ned continued doing business under Cutthroat Hook Company until he was too ill to operate it. Ken Lindsay Fly Fishing Online http://www.flyfishing-online.com

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Anybody know what ever happened to Ned Grey and Ned Grey’s Sierra Tackle of Montrose, California?  Ned’s was one of the early fly shops, maybe the first in southern California.  He invented the Streaker SW fly and pioneered saltwater flyfishing in SoCal.  I last saw Sierra Tackle catalogue in about 1974, I think.  If anybody has some information, I’d appreciate hearing.  Ned Grey died almost 20 years ago and his stock was bought up. Cliff Wyatt ran the Wilderness Shoppe in Santa Monics.  I think that it preceded Ned Grey’s.  Even so, I would be surprised if even Wyatt was first. William Buchman

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: Anybody know what ever happened to Ned Grey and Ned Grey’s Sierra Tackle : of Montrose, California?  Ned’s was one of the early fly shops, maybe : the first in southern California.  He invented the Streaker SW fly and : pioneered saltwater flyfishing in SoCal.  I last saw Sierra Tackle : catalogue in about 1974, I think.  If anybody has some information, I’d : appreciate hearing. Sean, I’m sorry to tell you that Ned passed away about six years ago after a long battle with emphysema. Ned was an inspiration over the years to many flyfishers and his inovative patterns and techniques were passed on Ken Lindsey  Ned Grey died almost 20 years ago and his stock was bought up. William Buchman …I’m confused

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I live in La Crescenta, just up the hill from Montrose. I used to drive to Ned’s shop when I lived out in Canoga Park.  And then, after I moved to La Crescenta, Ned closed his shop (I don’t think I drove him to it!) I do not know if he opened another shop or not. Rick

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Anybody know what ever happened to Ned Grey and Ned Grey’s Sierra Tackle of Montrose, California?  Ned’s was one of the early fly shops, maybe the first in southern California.  He invented the Streaker SW fly and pioneered saltwater flyfishing in SoCal.  I last saw Sierra Tackle catalogue in about 1974, I think.  If anybody has some information, I’d appreciate hearing. Thanks Sean Barry

Sean,  I’m sorry to tell you that Ned passed away about six years ago after a long battle with Emphezima(spell?). Ned was an inspiration over the years to many flyfishers and his inovative patterns and techniques were passed on with an enthusiasm for the sport that was infectious.  Ned got me started in saltwater fly rodding in 1972 and I still treasure one of his early Calico bass patterns that was tossed across the counter with the admonition " don’t worry what kind of tackle you have just throw that son of a bitch out there and see what eats it."  I did and they ate it and I thank Ned for introducing me to a whole new spectrum of our sport. Ned was truly a pioneer of the sport and I feel privaliged to have known him. Tight Lines, Ken  Lindsay FLy Fishing Online http://www.flyfishing-online.com

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Anybody know what ever happened to Ned Grey and Ned Grey’s Sierra Tackle of Montrose, California?  Ned’s was one of the early fly shops, maybe the first in southern California.  He invented the Streaker SW fly and pioneered saltwater flyfishing in SoCal.  I last saw Sierra Tackle catalogue in about 1974, I think.  If anybody has some information, I’d appreciate hearing. Thanks Sean Barry

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: I’m heading to Colo. next week to ski, but the snow looks a little thin : and I’m thinking of bringing some fly tackle.  I haven’t fished Colo. in : years, but have fond memories of the Blue some thirty years ago, learning         I think there is typically some activity on the Blue this time of year.  As you are going to be skiing (maybe close to summit county) it would be a convenient place to go.  Any of the local fly shops should be very helpful in outfitting you with a decent selection of flies and should also give you some idea of where to go.           If you wouldn’t mind a drive, you might try the South Platte good luck

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| |   If you wouldn’t mind a drive, you might try the South Platte |   Where is Cheeseman Canyon. Does one need a 4-wheel drive to get there??  Is it still running??

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:    Where is Cheeseman Canyon. Does one need a 4-wheel drive to get there??  Is it :  still running?? :   : The So. Platte in Cheesman Canyon is a tailwater. so there is always open water (unless temperature get very low : and cause some icing). It’s a hour drive west of Denver on pavement and a 15-min. to half-hour hike on trail into 3 mile long : canyon stretch. Many large but educated rainbows there. I would suggest hiring a guide to get you into fish quickly. Call : "The Flyfisher" flyshop at 303-322-5014 if your interested, as the Canyon can be very cruel to a newcomer. : Yours virtually, : Gary W. Godden : Denver, Colorado         If you are planning ahead of time and can get your hands on the book "Flyfishing the South Platte River" by Roger Hill, you could probably save money (I’m broke) and do reasonably well.  It is a very well written book and details the important flies and hatches all year long (including Jan.).

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   Where is Cheeseman Canyon. Does one need a 4-wheel drive to get there??  Is it  still running?? The So. Platte in Cheesman Canyon is a tailwater. so there is always open water (unless temperature get very low

and cause some icing). It’s a hour drive west of Denver on pavement and a 15-min. to half-hour hike on trail into 3 mile long canyon stretch. Many large but educated rainbows there. I would suggest hiring a guide to get you into fish quickly. Call "The Flyfisher" flyshop at 303-322-5014 if your interested, as the Canyon can be very cruel to a newcomer. Yours virtually, Gary W. Godden Denver, Colorado

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I’m heading to Colo. next week to ski, but the snow looks a little thin and I’m thinking of bringing some fly tackle.  I haven’t fished Colo. in years, but have fond memories of the Blue some thirty years ago, learning the fundamentals.  Any info on impact to the resource, locations, gear and tackle wold be appreciated.  Good fly shops around Summit county?  I have winter fished in Minn. (yes) and Mont., so I have some idea about what’s involved, like getting in the water without taking a swim.

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