Question:

Hm…….could be…….um……how far’s he live from Milwaukee?

knowin ‘ole tom, distance is just a trivial matter of applying the proper coordinates. ;^) dangitall, i fuggered’ i’d at least wake him from the dead for a perceived slight of his manhood. hmmmm, this could take some more thought. i haven’t been followin’ roff as close as i should….. when are the dates for the Oct anti-clave? i’ll probably will be able to attend for a long weekend…. drive in fri eve and leave mon mornin. hopefully wolf, you and i, along with the sock thief, will be able to return to that little jewel of a stream we fished last year and fish some. –waldo

Response:

Hm…….could be…….um……how far’s he live from Milwaukee? knowin ‘ole tom, distance is just a trivial matter of applying the proper coordinates. ;^)

Yeah, I thought of that but figured as long as I keep moving in a serpentine fashion he wouldn’t be able to get a lock on me. dangitall, i fuggered’ i’d at least wake him from the dead for a perceived slight of his manhood. hmmmm, this could take some more thought.

Shouldn’t be all that hard to smoke him out of his hole…..a brash newbie spammer with a munged address ought’a do it…..let’s see now….who can we get?    :) i haven’t been followin’ roff as close as i should….. when are the dates for the Oct anti-clave?

19-26 I believe. i’ll probably will be able to attend for a long weekend…. drive in fri eve and leave mon mornin. hopefully wolf, you and i, along with the sock thief, will be able to return to that little jewel of a stream we fished last year and fish some.

O.K., but this time I’m checking you guys for bait before we head out!    :( Wolfgang probly got a bottle of clorox in them smelly old waders too!

Response:

….yellow….yeller….yellah…….

lemons…..buttercups…..saffron rice…..incandescent bulbs….cinquefoil….cheeses….tiger swallowtails….sulfur…… You should probably read Alexander Theroux’ "The Primary colors" and "The Secondary colors"…..but then, I’m probably preaching to the choir.     here’s wishing everyone a safe and happy 4th…… tight lines….

Back at ya, uncle Wally! Wolfgang and then there’s the belly on a fat brown trout.

Response:

Wolfgang and then there’s the belly on a fat brown trout.

wolf….. are you callin’ tom b. a "yellerbelly?" –waldo

Response:

wolf….. are you callin’ tom b. a "yellerbelly?"<  

Probably.  Nice thing about Wolfie…he’ll call just about anybody just about anything.   Harry i’m not yeller … just cautious

Response:

*snip* he returned with tall tales of large trout taken with the yellah.

You da man Walt. here’s wishing everyone a safe and happy 4th…… tight lines….

All the best to you and yours as well. — TBone

Response:

Wolfgang and then there’s the belly on a fat brown trout. wolf….. are you callin’ tom b. a "yellerbelly?"

Hm…….could be…….um……how far’s he live from Milwaukee? Wolfgang old tom ain’t as fat as he should be…….i’ve seen him cook.

Response:

wolf….. are you callin’ tom b. a "yellerbelly?"< Probably.  Nice thing about Wolfie…he’ll call just about anybody just about anything.

See, that’s where you’re wrong, shithead.  In addition to our occasional discourse here, I’ve actually spent time in the man’s company during two separate claves.  I’ve got a lot of respect for Tom.  He’s a straight up guy.   Harry i’m not yeller … just cautious

An admirable trait. Wolfgang you ever met tom?

Response:

the inclusion of yellow…. what a fine color for southern appalachian trout flies….. a man could fare no better. the lore, the history….. yeller…. during spare time, i’ve been dickin’ on the vise at the shop the last few weeks and have come up with a pattern that seems to be the ticket. a simple tie really, nuttin’ fancy, just a few wraps here, some yellah there, and what the hell, a dang fly that seems to work well. pretty damn gratifyin’ considering i posses the creativity of a waterworn wilson creek granite boulder. michael, a young lad was in the shop last week. he chose well a dozen flies for a day on harpers. at the checkout, as lagniappe, i included one of the yellahs. yesterday, he returned with tall tales of large trout taken with the yellah. he wanted more. well hell says i….. "i don’t sell ‘em,  just tie ‘em and give ‘m away here and there" (well, i do fish them quite a bit lately, pretty damn good fly). fished with mark this past weekend….  we had a nice time on wilsons…. dang yellah did well. mark sez i caught 20 or so…. ? dunno, all i know is that the fish tore my cupla of yellahs up and i ended up fishing a march brown parachute the rest of the day… with less success. fished a few other streams here and thar lately….. the yellah is on and i’m tickled that it works so well. anyways, for recipe, send 2,000 american dollars to…. just kiddin’…. it ain’t for sale…. but by chance it can be had for a pleasant smile on the courthouse square flyshop…. morganton, nc…. here’s wishing everyone a safe and happy 4th…… tight lines…. –waldo

Response:

Question:

yep look at the forests in Alabama and you will see the great management of OUR forests that has robbed us and paid the timber industry. Pine trees

The majority of americans support being thinner, and yet the majority of americans are fatter than they should be.  That says something about the majority of americans.

Response:

Musty Ass has spoken.

Response:

\More like a ten year old, with no friends, and a ghetto blaster.\  I have had the pleasure of fishing with Muskie on several occasions, twice on the San Juan and once on the Kootenai.

I could not care less about his girlfriend or his fly-rods. The only thing I care about, is the fact that he costs me money with his constant Usenet abuse. The problem is solved for me at least. I have unsubscribed from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly  as it is simply too expensive to download all the rubbish. I will occasionally have a look in, using Google ( where I don

Question:

Will be in PNG for Nov/Dec, anyone have any info or URLs for flyfishing there ? Thanks, Mick

Response:

Mick, Nov-Dec will be rainy season – depending on where abouts you are and it might reduce for options for tangling with nugini bass and black bass. Dean guides there and pioneered many locations in PNG for black bass etc. and has many friends there. Regards John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders’

Response:

Question:

Yeah Richard.  Would love to lend any help I can.  I know that last year you guys launched from Hickory Creek (Springdale) and that Gerald caught most of his winning day bass down river.  I know he got a few off the hwy 12 bridge each day but I am afraid the lake is much different from when you guys saw it last year.  We desperately need rain to get the lake level back up.  We had a good rain last weekend and more is forecasted this weekend.  So hopefully by april when you guys get up here it will be up somewhat.  I will keep you posted around that time.   I generally launch from Hickory Creek and am more familiar down stream than up.  I generally fish everything below Horseshoe Bend but I will be exploring more this year. be nice to have someone to cheer for during the tournament.  I will help you with directions maps and anything else I can. BAZZMAN

Response:

<snip   I generally launch from Hickory Creek and am more familiar down stream than up.  I generally fish everything below Horseshoe Bend but I will be exploring more this year.

Hey BAZZMAN: Stop and give me a howdy the next time you’re fishing down towards Eden Bluff on Beaver (just south of Monte Ne, near Three Fingers Cove…I’m the guy fly fishing for bass and stripers from my skiff…you’ve probably seen me a million times.  My dock is right before the entrance to Three Fingers. I enjoy reading your posts….you could probably teach me a thing or two about spawning bass this Spring…..see ya’ Greg Hardig

Response:

Speaking of excellent winter day on the lake.  I was fishing Beaver Lake in Springdale Arkanasas on Wednesday.  Monday it was a record high 75 and Tuesday was also high at 72 degrees.  I went out Wednesday and chose to stay in the lower White River end of the lake.  I was flipping and pitching black jig and pigs in the nastiest pockets I could find.  It seemed like the more crap that had washed in there from the terential rains on Saturday the better.  I caught bass to 4 pounds and ended up catching 10 in the 4 hours I was on the water.  I cant believe I had such an awesome day in early February.  Fishing usually sucks until March on Beaver. BAZZMAN…

Response:

Speaking of excellent winter day on the lake.  I was fishing Beaver Lake in Springdale Arkanasas on Wednesday.  Monday it was a record high 75 and Tuesday was also high at 72 degrees.  I went out Wednesday and chose to stay in the lower White River end of the lake.  I was flipping and pitching black jig and pigs in the nastiest pockets I could find.  It seemed like the more crap that had washed in there from the terential rains on Saturday the better.  I caught bass to 4 pounds and ended up catching 10 in the 4 hours I was on the water.  I cant believe I had such an awesome day in early February.  Fishing usually sucks until March on Beaver.

Glad to hear you had a great time on Beaver. I am not familiar with springdale but if you are talking the same lake I fished last April it was up in the N.W. corner of the state. If we are talking of the same lake keep an eye on her as I have an FLW on her in April. Would appreciate any help. Good fishing, Richard L. LaFay | (248) 753-6940 (work) 2887 Pontiac Court  | (248) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   48326 Ranger Boats, Lowrance Electronics, Berkley Trilene, Rippler, and Bill Norman Lures. I use them because I think they’re the best!

Response:

The unusally warm weather has been great for fishing in Alabama too.  I caught 17 bass in about 5 hours on Lake Guntersville last Wednesday.  Although there was a 13′4” weighted in the previous Saturday at the Waterfront Grocery where I put in,  most of the fish I caught were between 12 and 14 inches (non-keepers on Guntersville).  But I catch and release anyway and a bass is a bass.  Water temp was in the mid to upper 50’s.  It’s typical for the largest bass of the season to be caught in February on Guntersville. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Speaking of excellent winter day on the lake.  I was fishing Beaver Lake in Springdale Arkanasas on Wednesday.  Monday it was a record high 75 and Tuesday was also high at 72 degrees.  I went out Wednesday and chose to stay in the lower White River end of the lake.  I was flipping and pitching black jig and pigs in the nastiest pockets I could find.  It seemed like the more crap that had washed in there from the terential rains on Saturday the better.  I caught bass to 4 pounds and ended up catching 10 in the 4 hours I was on the water.  I cant believe I had such an awesome day in early February.  Fishing usually sucks until March on Beaver. Glad to hear you had a great time on Beaver. I am not familiar with springdale but if you are talking the same lake I fished last April it was up in the N.W. corner of the state. If we are talking of the same lake keep an eye on her as I have an FLW on her in April. Would appreciate any help. Good fishing, Richard L. LaFay | (248) 753-6940 (work) 2887 Pontiac Court  | (248) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   48326 Ranger Boats, Lowrance Electronics, Berkley Trilene, Rippler, and Bill Norman Lures. I use them because I think they’re the best!

Response:

Question:

No question about it being a useful fishing tool. However I retired it because of its sentimental value to me But not before teaching my son to fly fish with it. It now has a place next to my desk in my office along with the old remains of the old bamboo rod and my fathers willow creel. I was just curious about its value. It sounds to me, perhaps, that it is priceless. TimW

Damn good answer *              Standard Disclaimer Applies<<<                *       *                                                               * *  ENTOMOLOGIST    ANTIQUE TACKLE COLLECTOR    ALL-AROUND NUT   * * "the line between human and nonhuman is, like all lines,      * *  one that should be drawn in pencil, so that it can be moved  * *  to accomodate moral evolution and the realization of moral   * *  reality"                                                     * *  –Rutgers University Prof. G L Francione (who, incidentally, * *  as of 13 Feb 1997 uses the Rutgers University logo on the    * *  very same web page where he hawks his rather dry, poorly-    * *  written books…..AND posted to talk.politics.animals        * *  recently using a pseudonym)                                  * *                                                               * *  "Animal rights lunatics are misguided fools" –me            *        

Response:

No question about it being a useful fishing tool. However I retired it because of its sentimental value to me But not before teaching my son to fly fish with it. It now has a place next to my desk in my office along with the old remains of the old bamboo rod and my fathers willow creel. I was just curious about its value.

It sounds to me, perhaps, that it is priceless. TimW

Response:

No question about it being a useful fishing tool. However I retired it because of its sentimental value to me But not before teaching my son to fly fish with it. It now has a place next to my desk in my office along with the old remains of the old bamboo rod and my fathers willow creel. I was just curious about its value. — Regards, Ken

Ken,         If it is Brass and has a Bulldog emblem, it would be the Pfleuger Progress reel, value about $55. Reed

Response:

I have an old Pfluger fly real that was passed to me when I was kid (back in the ice age). It is the essence of simplicity and made mostly of brass. Small in size. It was mounted on an old cheap (as in originally didn’t cost much) split bamboo three piece rod. No label, guides or tip survived the ravages of storage in my parents basement. Question is, does the real have any value other then the obvious sentimental value? — Regards, Ken

Ken- Value, as in could you turn around and sell it for a Whoop of cash?  NO… ..but it’s still a plenty useful fishing tool.  I’d recommend taking it to the gas station and blowing air through it to remove all the dust, giving it a good wipe down and lube job and checking all the screws to make sure they’re tight.. cuz they’re getting tough to replace.  You may want to consider removing the screws and applying a drop of LocTite to them (or head cement) and then threading them back in place. I still have 6 old Pflugers and use them quite a bit….they tend to be rather heavy on the newer graphite rods and are tough to "balance" to an outfit, but it depends on the type (and volume!) of fishing you’re doing if this will pose a "reel" problem   =8^)) Larry #:)#

Response:

No question about it being a useful fishing tool. However I retired it because of its sentimental value to me But not before teaching my son to fly fish with it. It now has a place next to my desk in my office along with the old remains of the old bamboo rod and my fathers willow creel. I was just curious about its value. — Regards, Ken Dry lines catch no fish! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ken- Value, as in could you turn around and sell it for a Whoop of cash? NO… ..but it’s still a plenty useful fishing tool.  I’d recommend taking it to the gas station and blowing air through it to remove all the dust, giving it a good wipe down and lube job and checking all the screws to make sure they’re tight.. cuz they’re getting tough to replace.  You may want to consider removing the screws and applying a drop of LocTite to them (or head cement) and then threading them back in place. I still have 6 old Pflugers and use them quite a bit….they tend to be rather heavy on the newer graphite rods and are tough to "balance" to an outfit, but it depends on the type (and volume!) of fishing you’re doing if this will pose a "reel" problem   =8^)) Larry #:)#

Response:

I have an old Pfluger fly real that was passed to me when I was kid (back in the ice age). It is the essence of simplicity and made mostly of brass. Small in size. It was mounted on an old cheap (as in originally didn’t cost much) split bamboo three piece rod. No label, guides or tip survived the ravages of storage in my parents basement. Question is, does the real have any value other then the obvious sentimental value? — Regards, Ken Dry lines catch no fish!

Response:

Question:

A relatively new angler, I have discovered the bliss of pursuing trout by canoe. I have fished for Brook and Lake Trout in Algonquin Park a few times and thoroughly enjoyed it. But I was always there in the Spring. I am planning a trip into the series of lakes at the Magnetawan Lake access point — next week. It was as close as I could get to the Sept 30 season closing. The weather is still warm, so I expect the fishing to be a little difficult. I’m bringing spinning gear and, for the first time, a fly fishing rod. By canoe, mostly lake fishing with a side trip to a river. I have a Dispy Diver if necessary. If anyone can provide any suggestions by e-mail on techniques for this time of year, I would appreciate it. I would be happy to report back on my success and share any learning. (To the two gentleman who helped me out by e-mail this past spring, I promise a full report after this trip.)  Thankyou.   —

Response:

Question:

I think the biggest advantage of barbless hooks is its easier to get them out of your clothes, waders, and skin :<

drying patch, fly box and the other tunnels into the spiritual plane. TimW

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : Umm… Bud?  Isn’t Sedona, like, in the desert? : I don’t want to condone the spam-like message to "SAVE SEDONA" but : thought : I’d comment about the surrounding area. Sedona is about 5000′ elevation : and : to the north sits Oak Creek Canyon. The creek can produce some nice fish : (17" rainbow caught last weekend) and 18" browns caught earlier this : year. I’m amazed by this.  I’ve only been there in summer(once) and winter(once) but each time there was *so much* activity in the stream by little humans that I didn’t believe it was a viable fishing spot for anything larger than 10 inches. Is it possible you caught planted stock?  Is it possible you are engaging in the oldest fishing pastime and stretching things a wee bit? : A 10 mile drive up the canyon will put you in the largest ponderosa pine : forest : in the U.S. at about 7000′ elevation (Yes it does snow in Arizona!!!). : Living only : 30 minutes away from the creek makes it a popular after work flyfishing : spot for : me. I wasn’t putting the area down, only trying to tone down the rhetoric which follows many tourist centers:  "We have everything, and it’s great!" I love the Sedona area for what it is… a wonderful desert area fairly close to respectable (if picked clean) mountains.  The area surely has much to offer, but my limited experience suggests it is not a destination fly fishing area.  I admit, I fished the lower parts of the creek, and there, the water seemed too warm to support large fish.  (Perhaps I should fact the fact I can only catch larger fish in water I know.)  I’m surprised to learn the humans haven’t scared the fish away. —

Rick, I’m not claiming Oak Creek is place to go catch large fish on a regular basis. In fact, 8 to 10 inch fish are the norm. On those rare occasions, some larger fish can be caught.  No way as far as planted stockers go (we affectionately call those things finless wonders here in AZ). I’ve been known to stretch the truth on some occasions. This weekend (at Oak Creek) I landed a brown that I thought went 15". Actual measurement was just over 14" (using the lettering on my flyrod). Even if I was off on the other fish a 17" brown and 16" rainbow aren’t bad for Oak Creek. As far as people pressure goes you’re right. I’ve had some tough days due to the number of tourists, hikers, swimmers, etc on the creek. So I fish it real early and stay away from the campgrounds (6am – 10am I didn’t see a soul on the creek this weekend). If you ever wander through Sedona again stop by the store at Don Hoel’s cabins. They have some pictures from the 1960’s to the late 1980’s showing browns in the 21-25 inch range. There may not be alot of those big hogs in Oak Creek now-a-days but I know where a few lay. Jeff Anderson http://www.woolybugger.com

Response:

: : Umm… Bud?  Isn’t Sedona, like, in the desert? : I don’t want to condone the spam-like message to "SAVE SEDONA" but : thought : I’d comment about the surrounding area. Sedona is about 5000′ elevation : and : to the north sits Oak Creek Canyon. The creek can produce some nice fish : (17" rainbow caught last weekend) and 18" browns caught earlier this : year. I’m amazed by this.  I’ve only been there in summer(once) and winter(once) but each time there was *so much* activity in the stream by little humans that I didn’t believe it was a viable fishing spot for anything larger than 10 inches. Is it possible you caught planted stock?  Is it possible you are engaging in the oldest fishing pastime and stretching things a wee bit? : A 10 mile drive up the canyon will put you in the largest ponderosa pine : forest : in the U.S. at about 7000′ elevation (Yes it does snow in Arizona!!!). : Living only : 30 minutes away from the creek makes it a popular after work flyfishing : spot for : me. I wasn’t putting the area down, only trying to tone down the rhetoric which follows many tourist centers:  "We have everything, and it’s great!" I love the Sedona area for what it is… a wonderful desert area fairly close to respectable (if picked clean) mountains.  The area surely has much to offer, but my limited experience suggests it is not a destination fly fishing area.  I admit, I fished the lower parts of the creek, and there, the water seemed too warm to support large fish.  (Perhaps I should fact the fact I can only catch larger fish in water I know.)  I’m surprised to learn the humans haven’t scared the fish away. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

Response:

: there, the water seemed too warm to support large fish.  (Perhaps I should : face the fact I can only catch larger fish in water I know.)  I’m : surprised to learn the humans haven’t scared the fish away. I forgot to mention the obvious: I stand corrected. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

Response:

: there, the water seemed too warm to support large fish.  (Perhaps I should : face the fact I can only catch larger fish in water I know.)  I’m : surprised to learn the humans haven’t scared the fish away. I forgot to mention the obvious: I stand corrected.

and those neoprenes show every bulge too… ohhh…COrected…! My mistake ! TimW

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : Umm… Bud?  Isn’t Sedona, like, in the desert? : I don’t want to condone the spam-like message to "SAVE SEDONA" but : thought : I’d comment about the surrounding area. Sedona is about 5000′ elevation : and : to the north sits Oak Creek Canyon. The creek can produce some nice fish : (17" rainbow caught last weekend) and 18" browns caught earlier this : year. I’m amazed by this.  I’ve only been there in summer(once) and winter(once) but each time there was *so much* activity in the stream by little humans that I didn’t believe it was a viable fishing spot for anything larger than 10 inches. Is it possible you caught planted stock?  Is it possible you are engaging in the oldest fishing pastime and stretching things a wee bit?

Is it possible you were huffin’ some Sedona Red ? TimW

Response:

Umm… Bud?  Isn’t Sedona, like, in the desert?

I don’t want to condone the spam-like message to "SAVE SEDONA" but thought I’d comment about the surrounding area. Sedona is about 5000′ elevation and to the north sits Oak Creek Canyon. The creek can produce some nice fish (17" rainbow caught last weekend) and 18" browns caught earlier this year. A 10 mile drive up the canyon will put you in the largest ponderosa pine forest in the U.S. at about 7000′ elevation (Yes it does snow in Arizona!!!). Living only 30 minutes away from the creek makes it a popular after work flyfishing spot for me. That’s my 2cents worth. Jeff Anderson http://www.woolybugger.com

Response:

Umm… Bud?  Isn’t Sedona, like, in the desert?<

Yee who doesn’t know shouldn’t open his mouth.  Seeing is believing. dp

Response:

: !!! SAVE SEDONA !!! : HELP US SAVE SEDONA : If you support Fishing Opportunities, Umm… Bud?  Isn’t Sedona, like, in the desert? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

Rick, Visit Sedona someday and you will find a lovely little desert town with a very nice river running through it (to borrow a phrase).   Besides, anyone who lives in "Moscow" should not cast stones at other places.   Dave — Dave http://avery.med.virginia.edu/~dcb/home.html David C. Benjamin, Ph.D., Professor               Office (804) 924-2631 Beirne B. Carter Center for Immunology Research   Lab    (804) 982-1679 MR4 Box 4012, University of Virginia Health       FAX    (804) 924-1221 Sciences Center, Charlottesville, VA 22908        Email

Response:

: !!! SAVE SEDONA !!! : HELP US SAVE SEDONA : If you support Fishing Opportunities, Umm… Bud?  Isn’t Sedona, like, in the desert?   — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

Response:

!!! SAVE SEDONA !!! Thank you for taking the time to read my post … I REALLY NEED YOUR HELP! My name is Rama and I am the owner of the only REAL bikeshop (Mountain Bike Heaven) in Sedona AZ and I need your help! The local Forest Service folks are having their final meeting at 9AM tomorrow morning (9/4) to accept final public input on the new management plan =93Ideas for the Future=94. One of the proposals included in the =93Ideas for the Future=94 are more lands trades within our surrounding area.  Here=92s the way it works, the Forest Service gives a chunk of our local Forest to a developer and the developer hands them cash and a deed to some unknown piece of land.  Of course, the Forest Service always tells us these =93deals=94 are always for the =93best interests=94 of all concerned parties.   The problem is they (USFS) keep trading away all our local hiking, biking, equestrian and nature opportunities. WE DONT NEED ANY MORE DEVELOPMENT! Our local infrastructure is already at the boiling point trying to cope with too much growth: no sewers, no roads, no phones … HELP US SAVE THE FORESTS! HELP US SAVE SEDONA If you support Hiking Opportunities, If you support Biking Opportunities, If you support Camping Opportunities, If you support Climbing Opportunites, If you support Fishing Opportunities, If you support Equestrian Opportunities, If you support any Outdoor Opportunity, If you like Sedona, If you like Arizona If you like the Forest, If you like Nature … Write your own letter or copy and mail the passage below.  I will take your email to the meeting tomorrow and we will show the Forest Service that we don=92t want anymore land trades.  Thanks for your help. Dear Forest Service Folks, I am opposed to ALL land trades in and around the Sedona area.  Please register my opinion and take it into consideration as you construct your =93Ideas for the Future=94 …         Name …         Age …         State …         City …         Country … Thanks for your Support!   Thanks for your help! RAMA BTW … when you=92re in Sedona stop by my shop "Mountain Bike Heaven" in West Sedona and say Hi! If I have some time maybe we can go for a ride. Wait, I have regularly scheduled FREE group rides on Wed, Sat and Sun — I can always ride then … Have Fun! is at http://www.ibike.com/mountainbikeheaven/index.htm

Response:

Question:

Hello,   I was wondering if anyone out there has ever done any serious fishing for Carp <er I mean Bugle Mouths I cought one by accident one time that took almost twenty minutes to land and left me shaking like a leaf!! I would like to go after these big guys with a fly as in one of the local lakes there are fish in the 20 – 30 lb range and I would not be suprised to hear of bigger ones caught! I understand that they will scarf a softshell crawdad imitation but has anyone had any luck with minnow or nymph imitations? It seems when the weather is too hot for anything else to bite these fish are just coming into there own, maybe I should design a "cob-o-corn" fly, what do you think? – Bugsy

Response:

Hello,  I was wondering if anyone out there has ever done any serious fishing for Carp <er I mean Bugle Mouths I cought one by accident one time that took almost twenty minutes to land and left me shaking like a leaf!! I would like to go after these big guys with a fly as in one of the local lakes there are fish in the 20 – 30 lb range and I would not be suprised to hear of bigger ones caught! I understand that they will scarf a softshell crawdad imitation but has anyone had any luck with minnow or nymph imitations? It seems when the weather is too hot for anything else to bite these fish are just coming into there own, maybe I should design a "cob-o-corn" fly, what do you think? – Bugsy

Call Blue Dun Fly Shop in Wanachi(sp), Washington and talk to Darce. He is guiding for carp in a lake out of a boat. It is sight casting in 2′ of clear water. He has been working on this for some years and has become consistently successful. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

Response:

Bugsey, I’ve been panfishing around carp for years without ever tying into one untill two years ago.Since then I’ve been getting takes consistently with a chartreuse lightning bug.I’ve tried other patterns ( assorted nymphs, wets and even mulberry patterns) without much success. Perhaps this has more to do with my confidence level then the effectiveness of the fly.You’ll notice I said getting takes not catching fish. My bluegill set-up is a 2wt. with a two to four lb. tippet. I generally break them off on the strike or lose them on thier first run,but when I spot one I can’t resist. You can call them trashfish but if I remember right that old Walton guy called them "the queen of the river".                          Hook: 8-10 wet or nymph                          Tail: black goose biot                          Abdomen: chartreuse chenille (1/2+ of the hook shank)                          Thorax: black chenille                           Hackle: black Give it a try,             Jim

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bugsey, I’ve been panfishing around carp for years without ever tying into one untill two years ago.Since then I’ve been getting takes consistently with a chartreuse lightning bug.I’ve tried other patterns ( assorted nymphs, wets and even mulberry patterns) without much success. Perhaps this has more to do with my confidence level then the effectiveness of the fly.You’ll notice I said getting takes not catching fish. My bluegill set-up is a 2wt. with a two to four lb. tippet. I generally break them off on the strike or lose them on thier first run,but when I spot one I can’t resist. You can call them trashfish but if I remember right that old Walton guy called them "the queen of the river".                         Hook: 8-10 wet or nymph                         Tail: black goose biot                         Abdomen: chartreuse chenille (1/2+ of the hook shank)                         Thorax: black chenille                          Hackle: black Give it a try,            Jim

Jim: Your note really jogged a memory for me.  I financed my very first fly rod by catching and selling carp when I was ten years old (about 35 years ago). I grew up in Des Moines, IA, and used to ride my bike to fish some sand pits along the Raccoon River.   I fished with spinning gear for bluegills and bass, but during midsummer I would see schools of big carp cruising along just beneath the surface. Lots of other people would fish dough bait, etc. specifically for the carp.  One day, I figured out that if I tied a treble hook directly to my line and put a fair-sized sinker on just ahead, I could sling it out past the schools of carp, maneuver the line with a rapid retrieve until it was just beyond one’s mouth, and then snag them as it came by. Two things were amazing.  First was how many fish I could catch that way and second was how hard 5-20 pound carp can fight on 4# line.  Anyway, I would sell my carp to the other folks fishing for a quarter apiece.   During that summer, I made enough to buy my first fly rod (a 9′ 9 weight for fishing bass). Once I got started flyfishing, I didn’t ever try the carp-snagging routine, and I’ve often wondered if those schools still cruise around like that. I’ve moved away from Iowa and don’t have many carp around the waters I fish now,but I’d LOVE to try your fly on a few some day. Thanks for the note.  Carp rule! Bob  

Response:

Check out my web page at http://pilot.msu.edu/~connert/carpfly.htm I regularly catch 10 to 15 pound carp on my 8 wt. rod.  If you have questions, drop me an e-mail. Tom Conner

Response:

Ooh, I like that whale description.  I called these particular carp my "White Whale" to another person here.  The place I see them is where a wastewater stream enters cold and clear into a creek the color of pea soup.  You can see the carp cruise where the waters mix; it seems they move without twitching a fin.  Beautiful, but you have to be on your belly or they spook and disappear in a cloud of muck.   Saturday morning, I got a carp surface strike on an ant pattern, but better yet I got lots of unobstructed carp viewing time, without it getting dark just as they come into the open.  Very nice. I’ve come across some more carp info.  There was an article in a 1990 Field & Stream (july, I think) that was nice.  There is also a Carp Anglers web page: http://www.southwind.net/~mikeyes/index.html (mainly for bait-fishing), which has links as well.  Kat’s yet filtered through. Kat, your illustrations of mackeral and tuna are great.  Everyone should take a look.  Thanks. db ****** Derek Berwald – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree, Derek! I too have started slowly developing an obsession for carp. I haven’t tried fishing for them yet, but there’s a place near where I live that has schools of big’uns and I love watching them. The more I watch them, the more respect I get for them. They seem to me almost more like whales than fish — their bodies seem to move more slowly, but you can feel the power just looking at them. And spooky? Man, they must have good eyesight to see me through that soup of goose doodoo they live in…It’s a pity they live in such sad-looking water (part of my hesitation in fishing for them stems from the thought of cleaning that toxic slop off my gear afterwards), but I’m slowly getting up the guts to go after ‘em. (I bought a bottle of oil of anise yesterday, I’ve read that it helps to put some on the fly…) I’ve found some useful carp tips by searching for "carp" in the http://www.uky.edu/~agrdanny/flyfish/main.htm Some waggish angler who posted there refers to them as "freshwater bonefish"…I think he’s onto something. I know I may be getting ahead of myself, but I can’t help wondering…what the hell do I do if the impossible happens, and I manage to bring one in…how do you grab a 20-lb carp? — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, ichthyophile. Toronto, Ontario, Canada. see my illustrations at http://www.mackerel.com/fish/home.html

–

Response:

Let’s keep those carp tips coming, folks!  People mock me for this, but I have been trying to catch carp unsuccessfully for about two months (the length of my flyfishing career, btw).  I’m glad I am only one of the few, instead of the only one trying for carp.

I agree, Derek! I too have started slowly developing an obsession for carp. I haven’t tried fishing for them yet, but there’s a place near where I live that has schools of big’uns and I love watching them. The more I watch them, the more respect I get for them. They seem to me almost more like whales than fish — their bodies seem to move more slowly, but you can feel the power just looking at them. And spooky? Man, they must have good eyesight to see me through that soup of goose doodoo they live in…It’s a pity they live in such sad-looking water (part of my hesitation in fishing for them stems from the thought of cleaning that toxic slop off my gear afterwards), but I’m slowly getting up the guts to go after ‘em. (I bought a bottle of oil of anise yesterday, I’ve read that it helps to put some on the fly…) I’ve found some useful carp tips by searching for "carp" in the http://www.uky.edu/~agrdanny/flyfish/main.htm Some waggish angler who posted there refers to them as "freshwater bonefish"…I think he’s onto something. I know I may be getting ahead of myself, but I can’t help wondering…what the hell do I do if the impossible happens, and I manage to bring one in…how do you grab a 20-lb carp? — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, ichthyophile. Toronto, Ontario, Canada. see my illustrations at http://www.mackerel.com/fish/home.html

Response:

Let’s keep those carp tips coming, folks!  People mock me for this, but I have been trying to catch carp unsuccessfully for about two months (the length of my flyfishing career, btw).  I’m glad I am only one of the few, instead of the only one trying for carp.  There is a pack of big ones in my local after-work fishing water, and I can see them, but no strikes.  I came as close as ever Wednesday night with a yellow stimulator, but they just came up and watched it drift (for about 30 seconds!).  The hard part is getting the fly past the green sunfish to where the carp are.  I appreciate any and all suggestions.   I would rather fish for trout, since they and the places they live are prettier, but I enjoy this, too. db ****** Derek Berwald

Response:

Question:

Deke Meyer’s Advanced FlyFishing for Steelhead,  Frank Amato Pubs. has a ggod chapter on fishing and tying Spey Flies, with some good patterns. They aren’t too hard to tie, but a rotary vise, such as a Renzetti, will make it a lot easier.–Crashjibe

Response:

I wonder if there are any good instructional books out there that focus on spey flies.  My Jourgenson doesn’t cover them well and Alcott’s Building Salmon Flies hardly mentions them.  They are cool so I’d like to try tying some.  (Would want to do a good job).  Please reply with any good suggestions.   Catch and Release Dave Wood Ravenna OH

Response:

(Dht360slt) writes: I wonder if there are any good instructional books out there that focus on spey flies.

For a step by step, see if you can find a copy of T.E. Pryce-Tannat’s book "How to dress Salmonflies".  He gives nice instructions even though he doesn’t use a vice to hold the hook.  This is one of *the* books on tying salmonflies. It was originally published in 1914.  There was a reprint available a few years ago for around $30.  Worth looking for. If your local fly fishing club does such things, see if you can get Steve Gobin to come do a one day class.  He makes it easy.                                          Tight Threads, Slack Sucks,                                                                    Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Schools

Response:

Question:

Hello, here are some posts I have sent to others. Hope you find the useful!  Alan Barrow  km4ba         | If a little knowledge….. Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Some friends and I, serious fly fisherman all, are thinking about going to the Florida Keys to do some bonefishing (and maybe tarpon, permit, etc.)  this winter.  Never having done this before, I have scads of questions: * Is end of December/beginning of January a good time?

Bones are there year round. They will not come up onto the flats if the water temp is too cold. Also wind is more likely, and impacts the number of "fishable" (sight fishing) days. However, the largest bonefish are usually caught in winter. I have hooked (not landed) very big bonefish during XMAS trips last year. Tarpon migrate, and are not in the Keys in large quantities until May/June. There are year round Tarpon spots in the Keys ( and Miami) but it is usually deep water. (Bridges/channels, etc) I consider June/July the best time all around for fishing in the Keys. I still fish year all seasons, because even "off season" the fishing is better than most places I know. But for fly fisherman, winter may be less desirable. Redfish are available year round, as are sharks and barracudas. Many fly types are sight fishing for big ‘Cudas during winter when it the flats are too cold for bonefish. * Where are the good spots in the keys?  Should we try Grand Bahama or  Belize instead?

My conclusion is that if you want numbers and lot’s of action, hit the bahamas, Christmas Island (near Hawaii), or costa rica. However, If you want big fish on a regular basis, Miami down to Marathon for bonefish is hard to beat. For Tarpon, Boca Grande pass in June is fantastic. Not the same as sight fishing the flats edges for tarpon in the Keys, but killer in a different fashion. Tarpon are all around florida mid year, so there are many good places for them. The keys are ideal due to: Big Bonefish, good tarpon, great Permit, OK redfish, great trout, great dolphin close in (the fish). The water is great for sight fishing in the Keys. Other parts of Fla are less "clear". The Bahamas are tough to beat in water clarity. * Know any good guides/outfitters?

I have not used a guide for 3 years, but recommend using one until you become proficient in finding fish yourself. Even then, guides will put you onto more fish. * Will I need my own equipment or can I rent?

I have not seen much rental equipment. If you have a guide, he will provide top notch equipment. I hope you have a good time!  Alan Barrow  km4ba         | If a little knowledge…..  ..!gatech!kd4nc!km4ba!alan |       then what is the Anti-Dote??? Return-Path: jab Path: hpuerca!jab Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Distribution: na I will be on Islamorada from February 10-17 of this year.  I plan to do some inshore fishing, and am wondering if this is a particularly "hot" time for specific fish. Can anyone give me some help? I’ll be

Entirely dependant on water temperature. (Wind may also be an issue) Some of the largest bonefish are caught in "winter" (dec-feb). You may also go all day without seeing a fish on a flat. A guide is a big win here. They may know when/where fish may make an appearence. We have found that "normal" behavior does not apply. (normal for bonefish is: fish move on flat with low incoming tide.) Problem is that with colder water temp, at may be midday before the water warms up enough. Thus traditional early morning/late evening "best times" may not apply. Barracuda are found (and fished for) on the flats in the winter. Any other time, these guys are almost impossible to catch. (Except when a big bonefish is about to nail your shrimp/lure) Also sharks on the flats can be fun. Tarpon are pretty much somewhere else, except for a few "bridge" types that hang around year round. Redfish and trout in the backcountry (Fla Bay, as opposed to the Atlantic) should also be a good option. (Not as exciting as bonefish, but still pretty good) I believe offshore is pretty good this time of year. (Sailfish, grouper, Kings, snapper, etc) out for a full day, and would like to spend about half the day fishing purely for sport (i.e. tarpon, bonefish, maybe permit) and half the day fishing for something I can cook up afterwards. Is this possible?

Bonefish or permit then hit backcountry for redfish or trout. I have limited out on big trout within 30 min skiff ride from Islamorada. (By the way, you will be "in" Islamorada, the city. You will be "on" upper or lower matacumbe. Just a "nit" :- ) Any suggestions would be appreciated. I’d like to call up and reserve a guide ahead of time.

We had good luck with Jamie Brodie, who booked out of Holiday Isle. I could get other names from Fla Sportsman if needed. Secondly, since I can’t afford a guide every day I’m there, but would like to do some fishing most of the days I’m there, I’m wondering if anyone can give me advice about wading/shore fishing. I’ll cast for

This is how we got started. Harry Harris park up in key largo (20 min N of Islamorada) is a good flat to wade for bonefish. Also flats off the bridges at shell and indian key ( Just S of Islamorada. ) are good. If you see brown bottom that you can get too from your hotel, etc. I would give it a try. Wear tennis shoes, or booties. (I use "aquasox" as well) Be aware of stingrays. (Some say to shuffle. I do if I cannot see the bottom very clearly. I have found if the bottom is hard enough to wade, the stingrays do not bury themselves. They are also very spooky, and will avoid you.) Also bridge fishing all along that area is good. You can also rent a boat. (not cheap, but cheaper than a guide.) Plan on using it mainly to get too flats. Do not try to take it on the flats, as you will get stuck unless it is very high tide. You will not have a pole anyway. Even with our flat’s boats, we wade alot. (during low tide) anything, I just don’t know what’s there to cast to, or what to cast to whatever is there (to state a simple point in a fairly unruly way).

On the flats you will see:         stingrays- do not try to catch them. Look for bonefish/jack         following them. try to cast on the back of any stingray you see.         Many times you will not see the fish following them. Best sign         that bonefish are on the flats. Stingrays are your friend.         Bonefish- swim most in straight lines. best case is to find them         tailing in low water. (why wading is good). You may see one or a         dozen. Very spooky. Cast in front of them, let them swim up on         your lure/bait.         Permit- The most spooky. look for "sickle" fin sticking out of         water.         Baracuda- usually loitering around. Moving very slowly, then         disappears faster than your eye can follow. If you see a fish,         and it does not move 5-10 feet in a few seconds, then it is probably         a barracuda. cast past it 10 feet in front of it. reel as fast         as you can. They strike instinctively.         Jack- Usually you do not see them, but catch them by accident.         can get pretty big, fights almost as good as a bonefish. (Just         missing the 200 yd runs.)         Sharks- 2-5′ nurse, lemon, blacktip, and bonnet sharks. Lots of         fun to catch. Good sign of bonefish on the flats. They will         home in on a shrimp in the water. Plan on a short fight with a         quick release unless you use 2-3" of wire. (The wire does not         appear to bother bonefish. My brother has started rigging this         way all the time, just to sight cast for sharks if the bonefish         are not around)         Snapper- (mangrove and yellowtail) I call the yellowtail         "piranah" snappers, as they will make the water boil if you         throw a shrimp to them. Expert bait stealers, and will not         touch artificials. Usually too small to eat, but fun.         Basket ball sized puffs of mud- Bonefish!!! Usually more than         one. Look for the freshest, and then move 20-40′ ahead.         A line of muddy water- Stingray "mudding". Cast on it’s back.         A big cloud of muddy water- usually a school of bonefish and         jack. Often a stingray is down at the bottom. Cast into the         middle of it. Plan on 20-40′ casts. I use 8# test, 1 or 1/0 O’shaughsany cadmium or nickle hooks. Live shrimp or half dollar sized crabs. (The best) I carry extra shrimp in my pocket while wading. Also can use "skimmer" lead head jigs. Also consider fishing mangrove creeks and banks for snapper, snook (mostly at night), grunt, etc. You can catch "keepers". Grunt are not considered as desirable as snapper, but they are actually pretty good to eat. You will know if you catch a snook. Limited season. I have fun fishing hotel docks with my little boys even. In other words, any advice, as detailed as possible, about shore fishing on Islamorada would be greatly appreciated. I have one 6 1/2′ medium spinning outfit, and one 8′ medium-heavy spinning outfit (reel has 300 yard line capacity for 20′ test).

I would use the 6′6" for flats, and the bigger rod for bridge fishing. Again, 8# quality line is fine for the flats. Fill your reel. (optimum casting) Oil/grease your drag. It has got to be absolutley smooth. Set it for what you think it should be, then back it down to 1/3 of that. (We broke off several bonefish till we learned this.) They will take 100-200 yds of line extremely … read more »

Response:

Hello,       I will be going Florida on April 1st, I would like to know about fishing in and around Ft. Lauderdale and the Keys. My primary interest is light tackle and fly fishing. Any tips on places to fish from shore for bonefish, permit, barracuda, tarpon, and/or any other large gamefish.           Suggestions will be greatly appreciated. This will be my first time down there, so I guess, I am a greenhorn. Tight lines……Fish On! Christopher Toner — –   2nd Shift Operations:RUCS               (908) 932-2293 –   OTS-Hill Center, Busch Campus –   Piscataway, NJ    

Response: