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rw wrote… How do you jump from spring creek fishing to Silver Creek?   ??? Could someone please explain to me what that means? Silver Creek IS a spring creek. It’s the finest spring creek I’ve ever seen.

The goggbly gook of the gizmo’s flux capacitor was fubared because of the do-hickey thingy malfunction due to an error of the whateveryacallit.   Thus Silver Creek has nothing to do with it? — Warren Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Montana, for sake of good order, is the number one fly fishing state in the Untied States and it services more fly fishermen than any other because it has classic waters most of which are in the Jellybean Park area that lure them all, like "The Fire Hole!" etc. All States have pay as you go fly fishing Jeffrey.  Take it from here. It costs money to fly fish America, no matter where you go.  Outdoor Recreation is for two kinds of outdoorsmen.  Those who pay their way and poachers.  There is no middle ground. George Gehrke The Leaf Will Fall – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Like it or not, Outdoor Recreation IS a rich man’s sport.  It’s been this way a very long time Jeff. The POINT is – you said Two States that have more "Classic Trout Waters" above all others are first, Montana and second, Colorado.  Idaho trout waters are much too commercialized … By that you meant Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters – Well, what about "rod fees" in Montana?  DePuy’s Spring Creek, O’Hair’s/Armstrong’s Spring Creek:, Nelson’s Spring Creek, McCoy Ranch Spring Creeks, O’Dell in Ennis that I mentioned?  Most of these places are books months in advance for the busy season.  Sorry, if that’s your criteria for "classic", then Montana doesn’t make the list either.

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How do you jump from spring creek fishing to Silver Creek?  

??? Could someone please explain to me what that means? Silver Creek IS a spring creek. It’s the finest spring creek I’ve ever seen. Secondly, where does "Honor" have to do with joining anything?  

It’s like when an organization like the Nature Conservancy saves and restores a fantastic spring creek and then people begrudge them a modest donation for fishing it. Thirdly, the Nature Conservatory costs money and only working people can afford to pay for outdoor recreation which was one of my points and lastly, I didn’t screw up at all R.W.

It costs $25 a year to join. If you aren’t a member they request a $5/day donation to fish Silver Creek, but that’s VOLUNTARY. And you can just fish the excellent non-Conservancy water if it bothers you. No "appointments" are necessary in either case. Big time screw up. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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George Gehrke wrote… Wayne?  You seem to forget who was the first to suggest a "Conclave" for Roff.  In fact, someone in North Carolina even asked at the time, "What is a Conclave?" Naturally, I explained and the first Roff Conclave started.

Sorry George, but I am not buying this.  Perhaps you can provide the proof for you claim, but I searched google and came up with this: http://makeashorterlink.com/?X48B1164 Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, rec.outdoors.fishing, alt.fishing http://makeashorterlink.com/?G4AB6264 The first mention I have found so far of a ROFF conclave. Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2BB2164 Mr Vinsel’s first suggestion of a "conclave" Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly http://makeashorterlink.com/?M29B1364 The first  mention of "conclave" searched under the author "Mr G" regarding something other than a FFF conclave. Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly — Warren Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, George.

Good post, many agree. <g — Charlie…

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How do you jump from spring creek fishing to Silver Creek?  Secondly, where does "Honor" have to do with joining anything?  Thirdly, the Nature Conservatory costs money and only working people can afford to pay for outdoor recreation which was one of my points and lastly, I didn’t screw up at all R.W. George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters – You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, George. Silver Creek is free of charge, and there’s no rod limit. All you need is a valid Idaho fishing license. If you fish in the Nature Conservancy you’re asked for a donation, but it’s voluntary. The honorable thing to do is to join the Nature Conservancy, which costs very little. There’s a stretch with excellent public access that’s every bit as good as the Conservancy. I’ve fished several times on Silver Creek when I saw no other anglers. I even took my dogs. If you go on the weekend during the Brown Drake hatch you’ll have some company. I avoid that. Some of the water is private, but much of the best part is public. You can even float-tube through private water because, unlike in "user friendly" Utah, Idaho property owners don’t own the creek. What’s more, Silver Creek is hardly typical of Idaho flyfishing. Admit it, George. You really fucked up on this one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Like it or not, Outdoor Recreation IS a rich man’s sport.  It’s been this way a very long time Jeff.

The POINT is – you said Two States that have more "Classic Trout Waters" above all others are first, Montana and second, Colorado.  Idaho trout waters are much too commercialized …

By that you meant Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters –

Well, what about "rod fees" in Montana?  DePuy’s Spring Creek, O’Hair’s/Armstrong’s Spring Creek:, Nelson’s Spring Creek, McCoy Ranch Spring Creeks, O’Dell in Ennis that I mentioned?  Most of these places are books months in advance for the busy season.  Sorry, if that’s your criteria for "classic", then Montana doesn’t make the list either.

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Since you seemed interested enough to answer, I assume you’d attend if there was one? Willi

        my heart is set on the henry’s fork.  i’ve been to colorado, but never to idaho.  the pictures are better up there. your friend in the old north state wayno

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Usually, it takes two to three days to understand and learn individual drainage systems besides the traveling.

heh heh  The worst thing a Conclave can do is try and fish too many waters.  I think the Colorado Conclave should pick only one main river per week.

Oh fer cryin’ out loud

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        my heart is set on the henry’s fork.  i’ve been to colorado, but never to idaho.  the pictures are better up there.

Hope you make it. I’m looking forward to a return trip. Some gorgeous country (the country right around Henry’s Fork isn’t as dramatic as it is around Steve’s place but beautiful in its own way) and LOTS of great water. Willi

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I’m in – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul         you have got to be kidding. your friend in the old north state wayno Since you seemed interested enough to answer, I assume you’d attend if there was one? Willi

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Hope you make it. I’m looking forward to a return trip. Some gorgeous country (the country right around Henry’s Fork isn’t as dramatic as it is around Steve’s place but beautiful in its own way) and LOTS of great water.

Wayno can probably find some decent postcards in Island Park. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Wayne?  You seem to forget who was the first to suggest a "Conclave" for Roff.  In fact, someone in North Carolina even asked at the time, "What is a Conclave?" Naturally, I explained and the first Roff Conclave started. Is your memory as long as your next step dear friend? sigh*! George Gehrke Mr. Conclave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul         you have got to be kidding. your friend in the old north state wayno

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Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters – You think the most famous examples of that aren’t in Montana?  Shit, even the creek across the street from where I stayed in Ennis charged $50 a day to fish there – if they weren’t already booked.

Not to mention that it’s completely false. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters –

You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, George. Silver Creek is free of charge, and there’s no rod limit. All you need is a valid Idaho fishing license. If you fish in the Nature Conservancy you’re asked for a donation, but it’s voluntary. The honorable thing to do is to join the Nature Conservancy, which costs very little. There’s a stretch with excellent public access that’s every bit as good as the Conservancy. I’ve fished several times on Silver Creek when I saw no other anglers. I even took my dogs. If you go on the weekend during the Brown Drake hatch you’ll have some company. I avoid that. Some of the water is private, but much of the best part is public. You can even float-tube through private water because, unlike in "user friendly" Utah, Idaho property owners don’t own the creek. What’s more, Silver Creek is hardly typical of Idaho flyfishing. Admit it, George. You really fucked up on this one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters – – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Idaho trout waters are much too commercialized and not user friendly as is Utah’s. I really wonder how you’ve come up with that one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters –

You think the most famous examples of that aren’t in Montana?  Shit, even the creek across the street from where I stayed in Ennis charged $50 a day to fish there – if they weren’t already booked.

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Like it or not, Outdoor Recreation IS a rich man’s sport.  It’s been this way a very long time Jeff.   George Gehrke "Who’s Boat Carries 90 GALLONS of fuel" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Spring Creek fishing by appointment and bucks only, for starters – You think the most famous examples of that aren’t in Montana?  Shit, even the creek across the street from where I stayed in Ennis charged $50 a day to fish there – if they weren’t already booked.

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Idaho trout waters are much too commercialized and not user friendly as is Utah’s.  

I really wonder how you’ve come up with that one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Two States that have more "Classic Trout Waters" above all others are first, Montana and second, Colorado.  Wyoming waters are mostly wind blown, far and few in between but nice.  Idaho trout waters are much too commercialized and not user friendly as is Utah’s.  Oregon is a State of vast diversity as it Northern California up through the State of Washington.  Northern New Mexico is likewise rather restricted because of the large land grants but the San Juan is only a small window of what the main spur of the Rocky Mountain Chain has to offer away from main population areas.  But Colorado, and most anything on the WESTERN SIDE of the Continental Divide away from Denver is a mix that has variety beyond your wildest dreams if you’re willing to get away from the main roads.  Colorado is blessed with a perfect summer climate and her mountains bank enough snow to keep her trout streams balanced and cool though out the year.  A Conclave through Colorado down to the Delores River and the San Juan over a period of three to four weeks is a Conclave worth attending.   Usually, it takes two to three days to understand and learn individual drainage systems besides the traveling.  The worst thing a Conclave can do is try and fish too many waters.  I think the Colorado Conclave should pick only one main river per week. The other option is fish as you go.  Just travel along and stay by any river for as many days a caravan happens upon and everyone staying in a main commercial camp site with showers, etc. George Gehrke Winnebago Camping Bum – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul         you have got to be kidding. your friend in the old north state wayno Since you seemed interested enough to answer, I assume you’d attend if there was one? Willi

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Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul Why don’t you make it a reality?

Good Point!  I just left Colorado after living in the state for 35 years and was thinking a clave would be a good reason to return this summer…   If people are interested, I might be willing to put something together. Paul

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Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul         you have got to be kidding. your friend in the old north state wayno

Since you seemed interested enough to answer, I assume you’d attend if there was one? Willi

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Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul

Why don’t you make it a reality? Willi

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Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul

        you have got to be kidding. your friend in the old north state wayno

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Someone mentioned the idea of a Colorado Clave a while back.  Perhaps George?  Is that clave going to turn into a reality? Paul

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I mean yes of course there are words in Cosmo. <ahem! Sorry, but I don’t believe you.  I’m going to the bathroom and check…. Tie string to the kitchen handle first just incase you get lost or your eyesight fails.

No worries, I have a cane and a map.  :)

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Uh, oh! he’s read Cosmo.  the jig’s up, gals!

Read???  You mean there’s words in that?

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he’s read Cosmo.  the jig’s up, gals! Read???  You mean there’s words in that? Is there??? I mean yes of course there are words in Cosmo. <ahem!

Sorry, but I don’t believe you.  I’m going to the bathroom and check….

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She appears squeaky clean and innocent, and yet you and I know it’s all a front. That girl is trouble. Oh, no– you’ve seen through my diabolically clever disguise! I’ve got your number…I know what you apparently innocent women are like. I don’t fall for that sweetness and light, heart and flowers routine. I’m a man of the world, I’ve seen naughty pictures in clothing catalogues and read Cosmopolitan.

Uh, oh! he’s read Cosmo.  the jig’s up, gals! Erminia

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Oh, I love twister. When I was young I played it very often. The last time I played it with my wife, she got pregnant.

from playing twister? Daniel — Teilhard

– Computers in the future may weight no more than 1.5 tons.     -Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949

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I also want to play, you know?

 hi teilhard, my my aren’t you lookin’ mighty fine this morning! jean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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I also want to play, you know? It’s called ‘Fishing for Alan’ I swear it was Philippa’s fault. She appears squeaky clean and innocent, and yet you and I know it’s all a front. That girl is trouble.

*laughing this has been my sneaking suspicion all along.  same with mary beth.  That wholesome good natured witty thing is just a trick…said the spider to the fly… (but whatta way to go!) jean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (hi Philippa

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I also want to play, you know? It’s called ‘Fishing for Alan’

I swear it was Philippa’s fault. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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I also want to play, you know? I have twister, Mary Beth

Oh, I love twister. When I was young I played it very often. The last time I played it with my wife, she got pregnant. Oh, I love twister. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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I also want to play, you know? — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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I also want to play, you know?

I have twister, Mary Beth

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Will you talk to me now??????? Nope.

If I told you that I never meant to piss you off, would you talk to me? Remember, life shouldn’t have to be like credit report, huh? One week, one day, 5 hours, 39 minutes and 35 seconds. 205 cigarettes not smoked, saving $31.91. Life saved: 17 hours, 5 minutes. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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Will you talk to me now???????

Nope. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Not if you keep testing me. Bruce.

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Will you talk to me now???????

Not if you keep testing me. Bruce.

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Will you talk to me now??????? Not if you keep testing me.

I already tested you and you passed with honours. I haven’t seen much people as positive as you, man, seriously. So, I won’t keep testing you, will you talk to me now? One week, one day, 5 hours, 0 minutes and 37 seconds. 205 cigarettes not smoked, saving $31.81. Life saved: 17 hours, 5 minutes. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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i  would have before so why not now, i just never saw you before today. Oh, thanks. How is your toe? it kinda hurts, i dropped a glass on it.

Ouch!! You must be careful with the tableware!! I mean, do not go around breaking glasses, huh?? LOL. No, seriously, that must hurt quite a bit. Hope you didn’t cut, did you? Now, what is it that kicks up blood circulation? Hot water or warm water? I would go for warm water, feels nicer. Do you have someone to rub your toe? I’d be glad to do it, but I am far away. Anyway, hope it doesn’t hurt much anymore. not that you;re talking to me. Oh, yes, I was, definitely. yeah right! :p

Way, of course! – One week, one day, 4 hours, 40 minutes and 29 seconds. 204 cigarettes not smoked, saving $31.75. Life saved: 17 hours, 0 minutes. – Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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fuck … ignore me – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i  would have before so why not now, i just never saw you before today. Oh, thanks. How is your toe? it kinda hurts, i dropped a glass on it. not that you;re talking to me. Oh, yes, I was, definitely. yeah right! :p One week, one day, 2 hours, 53 minutes and 44 seconds. 203 cigarettes not smoked, saving $31.47. Life saved: 16 hours, 55 minutes.

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Will you talk to me now??????? — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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i  would have before so why not now, i just never saw you before today.

Oh, thanks. How is your toe? not that you;re talking to me.

Oh, yes, I was, definitely. One week, one day, 2 hours, 53 minutes and 44 seconds. 203 cigarettes not smoked, saving $31.47. Life saved: 16 hours, 55 minutes. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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 …Tonight a fly fisherman was born. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.

For all the silliness that may occur  w/ in the Rofferian Sanctum- I will say that I am honored to have spent time among you all.  Bless you Wayne-  you are a Gentleman,  a Scholar, a TRUE American and the stuff heros are made of.  Thanks for that enlightenment and bringing me back to what really matters.  I hope I can one day exemplify the ideal you have in this situation.  My hat is off to you Sir.                        WITH  ALL DUE RESPECT, AND STILL  MORE…                                                           Bruce Hatten

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Some while back I queried the group about passing my used 6 wt outfit to an 11 year old with a single mom.  Many excellent suggestions and encouragements came from this group.  I also consulted with a social worker friend of mine with 25 years of experience dealing with similar home situations.  The Fly Fishing Club meeting was held tonight. [snip] Tonight a fly fisherman was born.

Good work, Wayne. A pleasure to the eyes as well. /daytripper (avoiding Timbo’s never-ending cluster f*ck – again)

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Way to go Wayno, first class. Dave

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[snip] Good for you Wayne! — Charlie…

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God Bless you wayne….my first fly rod came from a dead man’s garage some twenty-five years ago when I was still doing odd jobs while looking for serious work.   I have often thought of looking up his daughter to tell her how her father influenced my life.   You gave the little man a memory. Something that can neither be stolen nor purchased. Altered nor cheapened….     john….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some while back I queried the group about passing my used 6 wt outfit to an 11 year old with a single mom.  Many excellent suggestions and encouragements came from this group.  I also consulted with a social worker friend of mine with 25 years of experience dealing with similar home situations.  The Fly Fishing Club meeting was held tonight. The final results were this.  The rod was sold to this young man for an extremely reasonable amount.  Mom helped pay for the rod, reel, line combo. There were two reasons the rod was not given gratis.  First, some value and sacrifice needed to be attached to the rod.  Secondly, by having some amount change hands, even a small one, at the next club meeting certain accessory items which "should have gone with the rod but I forgot to bring" can be passed along as part of the "deal".  In the end, the young man will own a nice Cortland graphite rod, graphite reel, Cortland line with backing, Air-flo floating leader, Perrine fly box with an assortment of poppers, wets, drys, and streamers, and a landing net for an amount not exceeding $35.  Along with the rod went the speech about owning a "man’s rod" and now having a "man’s responsibility".  Tonight a fly fisherman was born. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.

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[snip] Good for you Wayne!

Way to go!!!Great start for an education. Now if someone would just teach him the correct way to play with dead animals and use guns he has a chance. Big Dale

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 Along with the rod went the speech about owning a "man’s rod" and now having a "man’s responsibility".  Tonight a fly fisherman was born. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.

My assuption is you he and the rod will take a few trips to your favorite fishing hole and some gentle suggestions made. Does it not do your heart good? What you did was well worth ANY price and you can be proud of it without recriminations(on the pride). When he catches his first fish it will seem like you have caught the biggest grandest fish in the water, and you have(a boys heart).                                Proud to be in the same Newsgroup as you                                                          John Popp                                                        in Sanford Fl.

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Tonight a fly fisherman was born.

I’ll join in the other kudos, Wayne.  Wish I could have been there.  I had forgotten about that series of posts – very glad you were kind enough to share the results with us. Mark Faulkner

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Nice touch – just don’t introduce him to ROFF too early, wouldn’t want to spoil things.  :))) Peter Peter Email address hacked. Remove -delete-this- to email a reply.

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Outstanding Wayne……a great idea for my nephew! Greg H.

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Wayne, My first ‘real’ flyrod came from a gentleman (long since deceased) who asked only two things in return, that I learn to tie so I could provide him wit Yellow Sallies for his Canadian trips, and that I save some time to fish with him.   I have never forgotten him, and that young man will never forget you. George Adams

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Wayno… That was pure class. We need more sportsmen like you to get the kids started off right. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNsPyJZdiUzdLFqlpAQF6mwf/X8ikDIDsuL7b/ftupX4WdeenfxD/G/Qz 3D+khxzm+JwGh+siB3iZbkVRMDLJ5zFjLiQQCQRa9u0A7KHcA8PFES+e1u/leLAD bf0b0MA5NxDBM+z3+RDIh9dd1TJTkK1xG8WFgIbmMwIOlGcO5+iAGonu9gPnIEbj DcZupkwh9HXRU1oJffMRnFMduXC80viLmSSsJYiR5+TrjiFe7gwCzHvRrqXcoqXj JsK6OX8TB32+OgHkhAkB4AU9J9ctYTLLMHU3eovnGiCwt0t8pogTECgaXZxF0wZ5 65oYlsF4deYNjzB36ZsdfbdU0IR4NLKAzRKfMMw5rrIgB6SC0xUI3A== =IWyo —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz "Can’t keep my eyes from the circling skies,  Tongue-tied and twisted, just an earthbound misfit, I" -Pink Floyd

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some while back I queried the group about passing my used 6 wt outfit to an 11 year old with a single mom.  Many excellent suggestions and encouragements came from this group.  I also consulted with a social worker friend of mine with 25 years of experience dealing with similar home situations.  The Fly Fishing Club meeting was held tonight. The final results were this.  The rod was sold to this young man for an extremely reasonable amount.  Mom helped pay for the rod, reel, line combo. There were two reasons the rod was not given gratis.  First, some value and sacrifice needed to be attached to the rod.  Secondly, by having some amount change hands, even a small one, at the next club meeting certain accessory items which "should have gone with the rod but I forgot to bring" can be passed along as part of the "deal".  In the end, the young man will own a nice Cortland graphite rod, graphite reel, Cortland line with backing, Air-flo floating leader, Perrine fly box with an assortment of poppers, wets, drys, and streamers, and a landing net for an amount not exceeding $35.  Along with the rod went the speech about owning a "man’s rod" and now having a "man’s responsibility".  Tonight a fly fisherman was born. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.

 Wayne, you did mention c&r didn’t you? just kidding. way to go wayno…… Walt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  …Tonight a fly fisherman was born. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. For all the silliness that may occur  w/ in the Rofferian Sanctum- I will say that I am honored to have spent time among you all.  Bless you Wayne-  you are a Gentleman,  a Scholar, a TRUE American and the stuff heros are made of.  Thanks for that enlightenment and bringing me back to what really matters.  I hope I can one day exemplify the ideal you have in this situation.  My hat is off to you Sir.                       WITH  ALL DUE RESPECT, AND STILL  MORE…                                                          Bruce Hatten

Wayno, I second what Bruce said, what you did was hopefully teach a kid there’s more to life than gangs and drugs (not saying that was the direction he was going).I hope this will set an example for others….Does me heart good!

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Some while back I queried the group about passing my used 6 wt outfit to an 11 year old with a single mom.  Many excellent suggestions and encouragements came from this group.  I also consulted with a social worker friend of mine with 25 years of experience dealing with similar home situations.  The Fly Fishing Club meeting was held tonight. The final results were this.  The rod was sold to this young man for an extremely reasonable amount.  Mom helped pay for the rod, reel, line combo. There were two reasons the rod was not given gratis.  First, some value and sacrifice needed to be attached to the rod.  Secondly, by having some amount change hands, even a small one, at the next club meeting certain accessory items which "should have gone with the rod but I forgot to bring" can be passed along as part of the "deal".  In the end, the young man will own a nice Cortland graphite rod, graphite reel, Cortland line with backing, Air-flo floating leader, Perrine fly box with an assortment of poppers, wets, drys, and streamers, and a landing net for an amount not exceeding $35.  Along with the rod went the speech about owning a "man’s rod" and now having a "man’s responsibility".  Tonight a fly fisherman was born. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.

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I’ve bought some stuff from West Marine and had good service. Their catalog is excellent, although it leans more heavily to boating and less to fishing. Still, it’s a catalog worth having, it makes quite a wish book. Their prices are very competitive. Their phone is 1-800-BOATING says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – switch to E&B ,  they are top-notch Excuse my ignorance, who is E&B?? Do you have an 800 number to order catalog?? Thanks E&B is now West Marine.  They bought them last year.

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Cabelas is ok with me – I had a pair of neoprenes that had a slight leak in one foot. I contacted them and  received the information on sending it back. They promptly sent a replacement pair which i’ve been using this Summer with zero problems. Other products are # 1 as well – I feel their service is as good as anyone can offer! Keith Piercey

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Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike

I haven’t had any problems in the 10 +  years I’ve been dealing with them !!

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I recently broke a fish eagle FT fly rod that I bought as blank from CAbelas..the rod was two year old and they not only replaced my blank but the handle, guides and reel seat….all for nothing.  I talked to one of thier area speciallists in Sidney and after he recieved my rod he called me and worked out the details of what I needed. Needless to say I’m totally impressed and I’m going to be a customer for another ten years at least. Rocky Smith

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend of mine called Cabela’s to order a drift sock (otherwise known as a "sea anchor").  The customer service rep asked him, "and how many pairs would you like?"  You figure the $40 price tag would have tipped her off! Maybe she thought they were just Really Good Socks.  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Tom,I too have had many totally satisfactory experiences with Cabela’s. Some three years ago I picked up two disparate hobbies – blackpowder shooting and flyfishing. Through many orders Cabela’s has supplied all my black powder needs and most of the flyfishing gear.  All orders were by phone and I found always the sales folk tolerant of my ignorance in both disciplines and helpful in making selections.  On one occasion involving a multipiece order they sent a fly jacket instead of a fly line… they made the switch promptly and without cost to me.   I suspect there are other providers just as good but I certainly can find no fault with Cabela’s. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Mike,     No, every experience I’ve had with them was of the first order. Tom                         <snip Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be goin downhill? any problems with them? Mike

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As much as we should ALWAYS support the local tackle guys, there’s just some things that you can’t buy were you are.  Take me, for instance.  I use a fair amount of bass baits for Pike, but you can’t get Lunker City Plastics, flipping jigs, or spinnerbaits ups here.

Where in Canada are you?  Fishing Plus in Etobicoke has a fantastic selection of soft plastics (Lunker City, Zoom, Gambler, Yamamoto, Phenix, Berkley, Guido Hibdon’s brand, Don Iovino’s brand, and more).  Lots of spinnerbaits, including the Terminator, Stanley, Bulldog, Strike King, Pro-Line, etcetcetc.  Lots and lots of flipping jigs too.  Great service, excellent and most importantly *informed* advice too. Peace, Charles

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A friend of mine called Cabela’s to order a drift sock (otherwise known as a "sea anchor").  The customer service rep asked him, "and how many pairs would you like?"  You figure the $40 price tag would have tipped her off!

Maybe she thought they were just Really Good Socks.  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike

My wife ordered me a bunch stuff for Christmas from Cabela’s and she was _extremely_ frustrated with the service. They were really uncooperative and did not fill orders completely or handle returns properly. When she threatened to take her business elsewhere, the response was apathetic and she ended up cancelling all her outstanding business and purchased the items through Bass Pro (who she felt did a superb job). Fortunately, she starts shopping in like September, so Christmas wasn’t ruined. I was really shocked at what a shitty job Cabela’s did on her stuff. Now I only buy from them when I get a chance (about once a year) to actually go to their store in Sidney. For mail order I’ve been able to get the items I need from BPS and Netcraft.

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Do you mean Gander Mountain’s mail order business?  Because we have at least 3 Gander Mountain stores here in Michigan. I noticed the mail order business went away shortly after opening the stores. Mushrat Unfortunately, Cabela’s gobbled up Gander Mountain.  I guess now it’s Cabela’s vs. Bass Pro.  Time to do business with the local guys! Bob Scott

As much as we should ALWAYS support the local tackle guys, there’s just some things that you can’t buy were you are.  Take me, for instance.  I use a fair amount of bass baits for Pike, but you can’t get Lunker City Plastics, flipping jigs, or spinnerbaits ups here. As for the Cabela vs Bass Pro Shops, if you can fish for Muskies or Pike, try Reeds for a cat.  I’ve been fairly pleased so far.  Also, here in Canada, there is the Fishing Hole Cat and the Whole Sale Sports Cat.

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A friend of mine called Cabela’s to order a drift sock (otherwise known as a "sea anchor").  The customer service rep asked him, "and how many pairs would you like?"  You figure the $40 price tag would have tipped her off! Pete C

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FWIW, we have had the same good service for many years, with no glitches.  We get about two orders/year. SL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? <snip out of the items I had originally ordered.  Two weeks after the call I finally got written notice that the items were out of stock. That was not the Cabelas I have come to expect. Mark Faulkner

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike In May, two items out of about a 10 item order were wrong – and not even close.  I got two fleece jackets instead of two sets of rain gear pants. First time in many years of Cabela’s orders that that has happened.  I immediately returned them with the appropriate form, requesting the original items.  Weeks passed.  I finally called, and by then they were out of the items I had originally ordered.  Two weeks after the call I finally got written notice that the items were out of stock. That was not the Cabelas I have come to expect. Mark Faulkner

I have never (I try occasionally every couple of years) had quick response to an exchange request. The only way I have found that works is to reorder what I want and return what I didn’t want for credit. I buy almsot nothing from Cabela’s anymore because they are so bad about listing sizes, weights, and strengths. Bass Pro is much better.                                 Erik from SF/Boston

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I haven’t bought too much from Cabela’s in the past but this year I ordered a lot of stuff in several orders.  I had numerous conversations with "product specialists" , sometimes for my ignorance on superlines or more info about a rod or lure and I was always satisfied.  When it was a dimension not in the catalog they would run off and get me an immediate answer. I returned about four things for exchange or refund for reasons varied from broken to not what I expected.  Always prompt and no problems.  So far I like Cabela’s. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill?

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Now that they’ve grown HUGE, I would imagine this kind of thing would start to be a problem.  As Cabela’s got bigger and bigger, I liked doing business with Gander Mountain a lot more.  The no.2 guy is usually trying harder, and customer service is a sure-fire way to pick up repeat customers. Unfortunately, Cabela’s gobbled up Gander Mountain.  I guess now it’s Cabela’s vs. Bass Pro.  Time to do business with the local guys! Bob Scott

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switch to E&B ,  they are top-notch – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike

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Dear Mike,      No, every experience I’ve had with them was of the first order. Recently I unpacked an anchor rode I had purchased nine months ago, but had not used.  I found a flaw in the rope, called them, they offered to replace the rode without hesitation.  That’s beyond the call of duty. Take care, Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FWIW, we have had the same good service for many years, with no glitches.  We get about two orders/year. SL Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? <snip out of the items I had originally ordered.  Two weeks after the call I finally got written notice that the items were out of stock. That was not the Cabelas I have come to expect. Mark Faulkner

what is cabela’s address or phone so i can get a catalog please thanks

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E&B is now West Marine.  They bought them last year.

West Marine is primarily a boating store so you might not find the clerks as knowledgable as those of Cabela’s, as well as having a smaller selection, their prices on lures and such are outrageous.  Walmart is much more affordable. Marcus Ward 505 US 7569 "Voodoo" International 505 Class Yacht Racing Association Central Missouri State University – Department of Psychology http://www.throb.net/mward/

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Go to:       http://www.cabelas.com for a free catalog. BTW I have been buying from them for four years and they treat me like a valuable customer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FWIW, we have had the same good service for many years, with no glitches.  We get about two orders/year. SL Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? <snip out of the items I had originally ordered.  Two weeks after the call I finally got written notice that the items were out of stock. That was not the Cabelas I have come to expect. Mark Faulkner what is cabela’s address or phone so i can get a catalog please thanks

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what is cabela’s address or phone so i can get a catalog please thanks

www.cabelas.com or (800) 237-4444.  I’ve had good service frim them so far.

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Do you mean Gander Mountain’s mail order business?  Because we have at least 3 Gander Mountain stores here in Michigan. I noticed the mail order business went away shortly after opening the stores. Mushrat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Unfortunately, Cabela’s gobbled up Gander Mountain.  I guess now it’s Cabela’s vs. Bass Pro.  Time to do business with the local guys! Bob Scott

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<snip  Time to do business with the local guys! Bob Scott

It always has been! — Steve Vaughn Kodak Park Health, Safety & Environmental Services Eastman Kodak Company – http://www.kodak.com Phone: (716)722-4744 Fax:   (716)722-3695

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Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them?

I haven’t ordered from them since about February, but every time I’ve had to deal with their customer service people I’ve been happy.  Last fall I placed an order and when it showed up the box had been damaged and most of the stuff was gone.  They replaced everything, no problem.  In February I ordered some peacock sword from them, and the catalog said there were six swords per package.  When it showed up there were only four swords in the package.  I called and they sent another package (of four swords to make it right.  So I’m pretty happy when it comes to dealing with Cabelas. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike

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Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike

In May, two items out of about a 10 item order were wrong – and not even close.  I got two fleece jackets instead of two sets of rain gear pants. First time in many years of Cabela’s orders that that has happened.  I immediately returned them with the appropriate form, requesting the original items.  Weeks passed.  I finally called, and by then they were out of the items I had originally ordered.  Two weeks after the call I finally got written notice that the items were out of stock. That was not the Cabelas I have come to expect. Mark Faulkner

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I’m looking for recommendations for cabins on the Highway 88 corridor, east of Jackson and west of, say, the Highway 89 intersection.  Does anyone know of any available? Thanks for any info you can give me. Search engines retrieve nothing useful.. -Mark

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There is a store and cabins for rent just east of the intersection of 88 and 89.  The closest thing going back west from the intersection is a couple of small places called Cook’s and Hamm’s. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail FLY FISHING BOOK AUCTION http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for recommendations for cabins on the Highway 88 corridor, east of Jackson and west of, say, the Highway 89 intersection.  Does anyone know of any available? Thanks for any info you can give me. Search engines retrieve nothing useful.. -Mark

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Two places you might try: Sorenson’s.  800-423-9949.  Located in Hope Valley at the intersections of 88/89 at about 6,000′.  They have flyfishing classes and lots of local advice.  Pricey, but very nice and they serve great meals. Caples Lake Resort.  209-258-8888.  Located on 88 at about 8,000′ next to a beautiful lake. Good luck

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Well is there any here? All I seem to see is a bunch of intolerant wackos stating there political beliefs! "Why can’t we all just get along?" hehe I just subscribed to this group for fly fishing advice, but I think instead I will go talk to my dad and grandpa instead. Thanks for giving me the idea! Mike

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Well is there any here? All I seem to see is a bunch of intolerant wackos stating there political beliefs! "Why can’t we all just get along?" hehe I just subscribed to this group for fly fishing advice, but I think instead I will go talk to my dad and grandpa instead. Thanks for giving me the idea!

Talking to one’s parents and grandparents is always a good idea, IMO. — Charlie…

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says… Well is there any here? All I seem to see is a bunch of intolerant wackos stating there political beliefs! "Why can’t we all just get along?" hehe I just subscribed to this group for fly fishing advice, but I think instead I will go talk to my dad and grandpa instead. Thanks for giving me the idea! Mike

You are most certainly welcome. –Walt

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Well is there any here? All I seem to see is a bunch of intolerant wackos stating there political beliefs! "Why can’t we all just get along?" hehe I just subscribed to this group for fly fishing advice, but I think instead I will go talk to my dad and grandpa instead. Thanks for giving me the idea! Mike

OK. Just remember….in this group, as with most others, you get out of it what you put into it. I could point out the obvious, but I refrain. If you have a ligit question, post it, and you may be suprised at the quality of the answer. There again, life is full of

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– Now booking Cape Cod, MA inshore fly fishing wading trips for stripers for the 97 season. I supply all tackle and flies as well as casting instructions if needed. If you don’t score stripers, I don’t get paid. Fair enough? $125/single $200/two anglers for a full day wading trip. Email me http://www.flyfishing-the-salt.com. Good fishing…Ted Bobetsky

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– Now booking Cape Cod, MA inshore fly fishing wading trips for stripers for the 97 season. I supply all tackle and flies as well as casting instructions if needed. If you don’t score stripers, I don’t get paid. Fair enough? $125/single $200/two anglers for a full day wading trip. Email me http://www.flyfishing-the-salt.com. Email references given upon request. Good fishing…Ted Bobetsky

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Hi, is anyone here in this group who can give me informations for flyfishing posibilities in Italy south of the alps? Thanks Hans-Peter Weigel D-28213 Bremen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Hi, is anyone here in this group who can give me informations for flyfishing posibilities in Italy south of the alps? Thanks Hans-Peter Weigel D-28213 Bremen All the Italians come to Slovenia to fish – Italy sucks. Mike

In order to avoid another politicly or culturely motivated bout of mud slinging, I think you should clarify whether you meant that the fishing in Italy sucks  :-(  or whether you meant that Italy as a country sucks. ) Not Italian, but more sensitive to the feelings of nationalism than ever. Mike Uetz

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says… Hi, is anyone here in this group who can give me informations for flyfishing posibilities in Italy south of the alps? Thanks Hans-Peter Weigel D-28213 Bremen

All the Italians come to Slovenia to fish – Italy sucks. Mike

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In order to avoid another politicly or culturely motivated bout of mud slinging, I think you should clarify whether you meant that the fishing in Italy sucks  :-(  or whether you meant that Italy as a country sucks. ) Not Italian, but more sensitive to the feelings of nationalism than ever. Mike Uetz

Of course I’m refering to the fishing – this is rec.outdoors.fishing.fly NOT italy.as.a.country.sucks Mike

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Does any one have any info on landlock flies?techniques they would like to share It would be greatly apreciated.                                         Adam Ford

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 (Adam Ford) writes: Does any one have any info on landlock flies?techniques they would like to share It would be greatly apreciated.

Standards: 1–streamers that imitate smelt, in rivers in spring (when smelt spawn) and trolling in lakes all year, 2–small Muddlers in white water, 3–matching the hatch of dries or nymphs, when trout-like feeding can be observed, 4–big nymphs in deep pockets (Charles Brooks style). —  |          Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Rd., Carlsbad         |  |        Springs, Ont., Canada K0A 1K0; tel: (613) 822-0734       |  |  "What I’ve always liked about science is its independence from |  |  authority"–Ontario Science Centre (name on file) 10 July 1981 |

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Adam, Joe Jack who lives here in Burke VA introduced to me to spring fishing for Landlocks in Maine at Wheaton’s Lodge on East Grand Lake (Canadian Border).  We fished with "tandem" streamer flies.  These are large streamers with a second trailing hook to get the ones who "short strike" the fly.  He also ties single hook versions for the rivers.  The tandem flies are "trolled" from a canoe with your fly rod and about half of your fly line out the back of the canoe.  He sells flies whoesale and retail.  Contact me separately for his phone number.  Wheaton’s Lodge was great.  I had my own cabin with 3/4 bath, wood stove and 3 home cooked meals a day for $75/day.  Guides are $115/day for 2 fisherman.   Boat and motor can be rented for $35/day.  I can’t wait to go back. Bill A.

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This past summer I did some trolling with flies for landlocked salmon in Maine in July.  We trolled with lead core lines to get down 20+ feet.  I used and old bamboo bait rod and antique pflueger summit bait reel.  You don’t get as good a fight with the lead core but you can still get down to the big ones in the lakes with flies.  We used tube flies tied on copper tubes.  These were new to me but I think they’re really cool.  We tied standard traditional streamer patterns on them and strung them on a short shock tippet attached to a small treble hook.  Use a plastic tube (aquarium tubing) to make a releasable connector at rear of fly tube.  I tied a few strands of silver flashabou and some white marabou on the treble hooks.  Deadly!  My buddy makes his tube flies on heavier copper conduit tube, about 3/8" diameter and permanently attaches the treble with spring steel wire running through the tube,  truly lures, definitely not fly fishing be careful in special regulation areas.   Normally I stick with the real traditional patterns.  A great reference book is Trolling Flies for Trout and Salmon by Dick Stewart and Bob Leeman distributed by the Stephen Green Press Fessenden Rd. Brattleboro VT 05301 and Universal Vise Corp16 Union Ave, Westfield MA. 01085. E-Mail me if I can tie some flies for you or if you have any questions. Landlocks are the best!  Catch and release Dave Wood

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Hi. I will be going to the Argentinean Patagonia (Neuquen, Rio Negro, and Chubut provinces) this coming January. Does anybody have any suggestions regarding fly patterns to try? What about places to go? Thanks. Daniel Martinez

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Hi. I will be going to the Argentinean Patagonia (Neuquen, Rio Negro, and Chubut provinces) this coming January. Does anybody have any suggestions regarding fly patterns to try? What about places to go? Thanks. Daniel Martinez

Take a look at the lastest issue of "Outside" magazine.  There is an article on flyfishing Patagonia.   — John Fereira Pleasanton, CA

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