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This may be a little off topic but there is a similar technique for salmon. You use a long rod and a single action reel. The reeling in a salmon with such a rig is awesome.  I was thinking of trying the same technique for bass.

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Color makes no difference here as long as the jig (Fly part) is gray with a red head.  :)  We catch a lot of bass on them in the clear lakes here, but we don’t put a bobber on them…. just cast out, let it fall, watch for a line twitch and then set the hook.  If you don’t see a twitch in a few seconds, start reeling it in very slowly twitching the rod tip and pausing to let it fall from time to time. Bassman

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looks too easy, doesn’t it.(?) I guess the hard part would be finding the fish, and determining the depth. Wonder how much difference color would make? — Visit Charles at: www.thebasspro.net My new Motto: "Too invested to quit" www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.midtennclassic.org From what I saw, I’ve been set up for the F-N-F for years, I just was doin’ it to catch crappie.  I was sure shocked to see what you guys had been talking about when I saw it in Bassmasters.  I guess I’ll have to give it a try this year and see if anything comes of it.  I know it works for crappie! Bassman Thanks Joe! I think the boat will be just fine… I’ll just have to get some different cool weather apparel, unless the weather hold out like this week has been! I should be set up for the f-n-f after Christmas! — Visit Charles at: www.thebasspro.net My new Motto: "Too invested to quit" www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.midtennclassic.org Hey Charles,the January issue of Tennessee Sportsman has a great article on Dale Hollow and the float n fly technique.(dont put that boat away yet) Son!

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Looks too easy, doesn’t it.(?) I guess the hard part would be finding the fish, and determining the depth. Wonder how much difference color would make? — Visit Charles at: www.thebasspro.net My new Motto: "Too invested to quit" www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.midtennclassic.org

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From what I saw, I’ve been set up for the F-N-F for years, I just was doin’ it to catch crappie.  I was sure shocked to see what you guys had been talking about when I saw it in Bassmasters.  I guess I’ll have to give it a try this year and see if anything comes of it.  I know it works for crappie! Bassman Thanks Joe! I think the boat will be just fine… I’ll just have to get some different cool weather apparel, unless the weather hold out like this week has been! I should be set up for the f-n-f after Christmas! — Visit Charles at: www.thebasspro.net My new Motto: "Too invested to quit" www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.midtennclassic.org Hey Charles,the January issue of Tennessee Sportsman has a great article on Dale Hollow and the float n fly technique.(dont put that boat away yet) Son!

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Thats good Jerry,because the local guys in the article say the biggest fish are caught in January.Pack your bags! Maybe we need to schedule a mini classic,I know the BassPro is chompin at the bit! Son! here is the link TennesseeSportsmanMag.com

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Thanks Joe! I think the boat will be just fine… I’ll just have to get some different cool weather apparel, unless the weather hold out like this week has been! I should be set up for the f-n-f after Christmas! — Visit Charles at: www.thebasspro.net My new Motto: "Too invested to quit" www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.midtennclassic.org

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Hey Charles,the January issue of Tennessee Sportsman has a great article on Dale Hollow and the float n fly technique.(dont put that boat away yet) Son!

I was curious about the float n fly setup.  I asked a while back about a rig that simulates fishing a live minnow, and somebody suggested this one. Well, I did an internet search and found this article. http://www.nesportsman.com/articles/article217.shtml I’m sure many of you have already read it, but I found it interesting.  My cousin Jeff is flying in for the holidays for a few days, and he mentioned that he would like to do some fishing while he is here.  I think I’ll do a canoe drift down the colorado, and have set up a rig like this to try. I’ll let you all know if we catch anything.  Probably the weekend after christmas. — Bob La Londe The Security Consultant http://www.diycomponents.com 849 S Ave C Yuma, Az 85364 (928)782-9765 ofc (928)782-7873 fax ROC 103044, C-12 ROC 103047, L-67

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From what I saw, I’ve been set up for the F-N-F for years, I just was doin’ it to catch crappie.  I was sure shocked to see what you guys had been talking about when I saw it in Bassmasters.  I guess I’ll have to give it a try this year and see if anything comes of it.  I know it works for crappie! Bassman

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Joe! I think the boat will be just fine… I’ll just have to get some different cool weather apparel, unless the weather hold out like this week has been! I should be set up for the f-n-f after Christmas! — Visit Charles at: www.thebasspro.net My new Motto: "Too invested to quit" www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.midtennclassic.org Hey Charles,the January issue of Tennessee Sportsman has a great article on Dale Hollow and the float n fly technique.(dont put that boat away yet) Son!

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Hey Charles,the January issue of Tennessee Sportsman has a great article on Dale Hollow and the float n fly technique.(dont put that boat away yet) Son!

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Yeah, I just heard that I might be coming that way again in January. — Jerry Barton Be Kind To Your Children, They Get To Pick Your Nursing Home. www.jerrys-world.com

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Anyone know where is the best fishing place in Vancouver?

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Anyone know where is the best fishing place in Vancouver?

Deer Lake and Pacific Ocean donaldduck

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Anyone know where is the best fishing place in Vancouver?

Deer Lake and Pacific Ocean. donaldduck

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Granville Island Market

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Anyone know where is the best fishing place in Vancouver?

Vancouver Island renee

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http://www.predatorcharters.com http://www.thefishingclub.com/ http://www.guidebc.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know where is the best fishing place in Vancouver? Deer Lake and Pacific Ocean. donaldduck

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Try Fred’s Fishing Adventures out of Chilliwack.  Outstanding for Sturgeon, Salmon and Steelhead.  Fished with him last Sunday, great trip.  Fly fishing for Pinks a little later in the summer should be outstanding!!! http://www.freds-bc.com/ — <*))))< Paul Phillips Director of Operations Fintastic Fish Mounts http://www.fintastic.com/ spam block x

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Thank you Gentlemen, Tim I have been trying to access the web page for the Charleston Angler, I was told that the shop may have closed. Can anyone (Jim Bennett?) nearby validate this. What I am after here is setting up a guide for the area this summer.Recomendations??? Thanks,Tim,want a redfish,BAD,Long

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I have been trying to access the web page for the Charleston Angler, I was told that the shop may have closed. Can anyone (Jim Bennett?) nearby validate this. What I am after here is setting up a guide for the area this summer.Recomendations??? Thanks,Tim,want a redfish,BAD,Long

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Go to the recommendations page of my website at http://www.flyfish-nc.com/guides.html and look up Capt Adam Ridgeway.  You won’t be sorry. I have been trying to access the web page for the Charleston Angler, I was told that the shop may have closed. Can anyone (Jim Bennett?) nearby validate this. What I am after here is setting up a guide for the area this summer.Recomendations??? Thanks,Tim,want a redfish,BAD,Long

– Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com Guided flyfishing on the Roanoke River and the Crystal Coast of NC out of Atlantic Beach/Morhead City/Beaufort.

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They are still in business under different ownership. The web page is no longer up. They should still be able to provide you with an excellent guide. The shop is now owned by an MD with a nice fellow running the day to day operations, Rick the previous owner is now a rep for Mid-America Sportssales. So bottom line your best bet is call them on the phone 10 to 5 EST. Good luck jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been trying to access the web page for the Charleston Angler, I was told that the shop may have closed. Can anyone (Jim Bennett?) nearby validate this. What I am after here is setting up a guide for the area this summer.Recomendations??? Thanks,Tim,want a redfish,BAD,Long

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I think they are all wrong about too much oil. Based on past experience I would think that it is probably the muffler bearings. When they go they create excessive back pressure from the exhaust system and hince the smoke. It’s a pretty common problem. Seek professional help on this one.

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I think they are all wrong about too much oil. Based on past experience I would think that it is probably the muffler bearings. When they go they create excessive back pressure from the exhaust system and hince the smoke. It’s a pretty common problem. Seek professional help on this one.

Good thought, but with newer models (since 1985), the automatic framistat compensates for the back pressure. Joe F.

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I think they are all wrong about too much oil. Based on past experience I would think that it is probably the muffler bearings. When they go they create excessive back pressure from the exhaust system and hince the smoke. It’s a pretty common problem. Seek professional help on this one. Good thought, but with newer models (since 1985), the automatic framistat compensates for the back pressure.

True, but hardly worth noting in light of the fact that the muffler bearings can simply be repacked with about 12 feet of shoreline which, obviously, makes the framistat not only superfluous but also a positive hindrance as its mere presence interferes with the balance of the idler hozzy wozzy.  Excessive engineering at its best!

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True, but hardly worth noting in light of the fact that the muffler bearings can simply be repacked with about 12 feet of shoreline

C’mon guys, quit messing with him. Everyone knows muffler bearings are easy to replace. He should be able to get a set at any marina and I’d expect even Pep Boys carries them. — Charlie…

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True, but hardly worth noting in light of the fact that the muffler bearings can simply be repacked with about 12 feet of shoreline which, obviously, makes the framistat not only superfluous but also a positive hindrance as its mere presence interferes with the balance of the idler hozzy wozzy.  Excessive engineering at its best!

That’s exactly why OMC abandoned the idler hozzy wozzy in 1992.   I think Mercury kept the idler design, but replaced the framistat manifold with a gunkulator assembly.   I never owned one, so I’m not sure about that. Joe F.

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True, but hardly worth noting in light of the fact that the muffler bearings can simply be repacked with about 12 feet of shoreline C’mon guys, quit messing with him. Everyone knows muffler bearings are easy to replace. He should be able to get a set at any marina and I’d expect even Pep Boys carries them.

Yeah, but you gotta have metric crescent wrench to get at ‘em. Joe F.

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C’mon guys, quit messing with him. Everyone knows muffler bearings are easy to replace. Yeah, but you gotta have metric crescent wrench to get at ‘em.

A metric LEFT-HANDED monkey wrench and an ACME skyhook if I recall my "small engine manual for flyfishermen" correctly. — Ken Fortenberry

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That’s exactly why OMC abandoned the idler hozzy wozzy in 1992.   I think Mercury kept the idler design, but replaced the framistat manifold with a gunkulator assembly.   I never owned one, so I’m not sure about that. Joe F.

That gunkulator is a piece of crap, give me a hozzy and a framistat any day. BTW, if you don’t have time or money to redo the muffler bearings, you can get by for a couple months by pouring a bunch of STP into the blinker fluid, or switching to a higher viscosity prequambulator lube.  Don’t wait too long though, or your hozzy wozzy nozzle will plug up. Don’t listen to Charlie, he’s obviously no boat mechanic. — Levi "There are no facts, only interpretations." -Friedrich Nietzsche

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s exactly why OMC abandoned the idler hozzy wozzy in 1992.   I think Mercury kept the idler design, but replaced the framistat manifold with a gunkulator assembly.   I never owned one, so I’m not sure about that. Joe F. That gunkulator is a piece of crap, give me a hozzy and a framistat any day. BTW, if you don’t have time or money to redo the muffler bearings, you can get by for a couple months by pouring a bunch of STP into the blinker fluid, or switching to a higher viscosity prequambulator lube.  Don’t wait too long though, or your hozzy wozzy nozzle will plug up.

Ya got that right.    Once your hozzy wozzy nozzle plugs up, your lower unit is shot to hell. Joe F.

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Don’t listen to Charlie, he’s obviously no boat mechanic.

I used to be a quantum mechanic, though – although someone said they make cars by that name nowadays and I *don’t* work on cars<g. — Charlie…

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Youse guys are really cruel.  I guy writes in to a fly fishing ng about problems with exhaust bearings on his outboard motor, and you make fun of him and his problem.  For shame, for shame.  It almost makes me want to go to alt.fishing.timbo….. Dave LaCourse

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Sure, every one carries them, but you need a left handed frankinjerk to get the old ones out and they are hard to find. Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – True, but hardly worth noting in light of the fact that the muffler bearings can simply be repacked with about 12 feet of shoreline C’mon guys, quit messing with him. Everyone knows muffler bearings are easy to replace. He should be able to get a set at any marina and I’d expect even Pep Boys carries them. — Charlie…

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"Gunkulator" ?   Sounds dangerously familiar somehow ? TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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A Siemens lufthaken is necessary for holding the foo-foo valve in the correct position while carrying out adjustments.  This is difficult when one is all at sea. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Don’t listen to Charlie, he’s obviously no boat mechanic. I used to be a quantum mechanic, though – although someone said they make cars by that name nowadays and I *don’t* work on cars<g. — Charlie…

I guess a quantum mechanic would advise changing oil every 300 billion light years? — Levi "There are no facts, only interpretations." -Friedrich Nietzsche

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That gunkulator is a piece of crap, give me a hozzy and a framistat any day. BTW, if you don’t have time or money to redo the muffler bearings, you can get by for a couple months by pouring a bunch of STP into the blinker fluid, or switching to a higher viscosity prequambulator lube.  Don’t wait too long though, or your hozzy wozzy nozzle will plug up.

All of this is good info, but after doing some research and asking a small engine mechanic who is a friend of mine, we both came to the conclusion that the flux capacitor also might be the problem.  It would definitely make the plugs foul quicker since they aren’t receiving enough juice and would account for the unburnt fuel/oil you are seeing. I would suggest checking into all of the possibilities.  If it is the flux capacitor, you might as well replace the muffler bearings and such at the same time.  You are basically going to have to tear the engine apart to get at the capacitor anyways. HTH. Warren X#-[

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Hey, Vern, you should be able to help this guy. You probably know some small engine mechanics. -- visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Hey, Vern, you should be able to help this guy. You probably know some small engine mechanics.

        i'm pleased to observe that a little time in the pacific didn't rust the old needle, rw.  hilarious. wayno

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Fly fishing NG???  Amount of smoking is relative term.  All 2 cycles smoke. Did you mix the proper ratio of oil to gas for that engine, probably 50 to 1. Pull the plug and look at it. If the oil mixture was right and the plug is sooty black and wet, the engine is probably low on compression. Perfectly usable but don't leave shore without spare plugs to put in when it fouls. jim

- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - I am new to boating. I have an old Outboard Marine 7.5hp two cycle engine. I was having a tough time starting it and keeping it going. I changed the spark plugs and it started up and seems to be running great. The only problem seems to be excessive blue smoke coming from the exhaust. Could this be a result of two much oil in the gas ? Are there other things I should check out ? Thanks in advance for your help.

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Try cutting back on the oil.                                    [Image]                                    [Image]                                   [Image]                                 Drive Me There Try to learn a little something about the forum before you come barging in with a bunch of bullshit. It’s called netiquette and you’re in dire need of it. — Ken Fortenberry

no kidding, i’ve never had any other post here try to send me cookies and all the java error messages…. 64 galaxie will not be read by me again. chris

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Try cutting back on the oil.

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Try cutting back on the oil.

Try posting with just text instead of all the webtv html junk. — Charlie…

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Try cutting back on the oil.                                    [Image]                                    [Image]                                   [Image]                                 Drive Me There

Try to learn a little something about the forum before you come barging in with a bunch of bullshit. It’s called netiquette and you’re in dire need of it. — Ken Fortenberry

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I am new to boating. I have an old Outboard Marine 7.5hp two cycle engine. I was having a tough time starting it and keeping it going. I changed the spark plugs and it started up and seems to be running great. The only problem seems to be excessive blue smoke coming from the exhaust. Could this be a result of two much oil in the gas ? Are there other things I should check out ? Thanks in advance for your help.

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I am new to boating.

        well, that makes you and this newsgroup about even.  I have an old Outboard Marine 7.5hp two cycle engine. I was having a tough time starting it and keeping it going. I changed the spark plugs and it started up and seems to be running great. The only problem seems to be excessive blue smoke coming from the exhaust. Could this be a result of two much oil in the gas ?

        more likely it’s a result of three two much oil in the gas.  Are there other things I should check out ?

        your clue bag.  i think it’s empty. Thanks in advance for your help.

        oh, any time. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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There are a lot of great trout streams in the UP. I fish the streams around Iron county as that is where I live, these include S. Branch of the Paint, Cook’s Run, and The Iron River. One of the highest rated streams is the Fox River but I have never fished it. I lived in the PNW for a year, the rivers here are alot smaller but also seem to hold alot more trout. You will find Brook, Brown and a few Rainbows. There are also some Steelhead runs in the streams that flow into lake Superior. Depending on where in the UP you plan on going you will find alot of fishing of many different types. Let me know if you need more info. I am thinking about heading the UP of Michigan in the next few weeks for a little camping/fishing.  I am an avid fly fisherman, but all of my experience is in the Pacific Northwest and the

Montana/Wyoming region.  In other words, I am completely unfamiliar with that area of the country in terms of fishing other than a lot of people have told me it’s a great place to go.  Can anyone recommend some rivers, streams, or lakes that are good bets for fly fishing? Thanks, Tom

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I am thinking about heading the UP of Michigan in the next few weeks for a little camping/fishing.  I am an avid fly fisherman, but all of my experience is in the Pacific Northwest and the Montana/Wyoming region.  In other words, I am completely unfamiliar with that area of the country in terms of fishing other than a lot of people have told me it’s a great place to go.  Can anyone recommend some rivers, streams, or lakes that are good bets for fly fishing? Thanks, Tom

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Folks, I am heading into the bob marshall wilderness aug 20.  i will be flying to great falls.  Does anyone know of a decent fly shop in town where I could check  in, get some last minute flies, license, and related? Thanks for any help. edwin college station, tx

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Folks, I am heading into the bob marshall wilderness aug 20.  i will be flying to great falls.  Does anyone know of a decent fly shop in town where I could check  in, get some last minute flies, license, and related? Thanks for any help. edwin college station, tx

Call Wolverton’s Fly Shop.  He’s in the book.  Boyd Wolverton is a great guy and will take good care of you.  He and his brother were born and raised in the area and should be able to set you up with anything you need.  I have been fishing with them for years.   Bud Crist Diamond C Kennel Blum, TX Http://www.birddogs.pair.com

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I planted creeping phlox 3 yrs. ago and for the first two yrs it did great its not looking that great anymore any suggestions on what to do? Should I fertilize it cut it back pull it out and replant I never realy touched what I have I just let it grow and its real thick but it looks like a lot of it is dying.

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I planted creeping phlox 3 yrs. ago and for the first two yrs it did great its not looking that great anymore any suggestions on what to do? Should I fertilize it cut it back pull it out and replant I never realy touched what I have I just let it grow and its real thick but it looks like a lot of it is dying.

I have only had mine one year, so take it with a grain of salt, but I READ that sometimes you have to trim off the dead looking parts, mulch it well in winter, not let it stay too wet, and occasssionally divide it.  Anything there sound useful? — Signed,    Kellie My Karma Ran Over My Dogma.  It was a catastrophe! Now my dogma’s dead and my karma’s out of alignment. Get in "Knee Deep"!     The Internet Pond Society      http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/newsletter.html

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Funny that you brought this up.  I too planted creeping phlox about 3-4 years ago.  I recieved a bounty of pink flowers and an evergreen spread.  It years that passes, at this time of year, large areas start dying out.  To date I have done nothing.  I have similar beds of phlox planted elsewhere and also soffer some die-out.  Just a perusal of my garden this morning made me want to cry.  Over half of the Phlox is turning brown and turning to dust (while a few weeks ago it was still green).   What should I do?  At present I shall continue to due nothing.  What is the problem … soil conditions, nematode infestation, blight … age of the culture.  I am tempted to go in and ‘thin’ it out. TTrue in RTP "Seek simplicity … then distrust it" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I planted creeping phlox 3 yrs. ago and for the first two yrs it did great its not looking that great anymore any suggestions on what to do? Should I fertilize it cut it back pull it out and replant I never realy touched what I have I just let it grow and its real thick but it looks like a lot of it is dying.

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Can’t say for sure what the phlox problem is, but I’d suspect it could be die out due to poor drainage. This year has been particularly bad. Phlox subulata like well-drained conditions- folks often grow them in rock gardens and on slopes. The foliage seems to do best when allowed to scramble over rocks.  

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  I’ve grown Phlox Sublata for years on the south facing slope of a well drained rock garden and have also suffered an unusually severe die-back this season (mostly last fall and early winter).  However, this isn’t the first time and it strongly depends on phlox color and/or foliage characteristics.  I have a blue that rarely shows any die-back but after blooming it has the least impressive foliage.  The new Candy Stripe regularly blooms then flops for me and I have a bright pink-red that has barely clung to life for years.   My plan is to rebuild the rock garden with lots of compost, sand, and manure additives to my basic clay.  That’s worked before and lasts for many years.  By all means pull out the deader sections after flowering. Often you’ll find the ends of mostly brown branches have rooted near the ends and will start new and healthy plants.  If you’ve got long mostly dead branches with green growth at the ends, you might be able to encourage rooting by pinninge one or more of these branches to the a nicely prepared bit of soil with a piece of bent wire and covering it with a little soil. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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I’ve read that Phlox should be divided every 3(?) years to keep it from dying out.  The parent plant should be removed and you can replant it. Otherwise it can choke itself.  I’m not sure if this applies to all varieties, but at least some you should also cut back in winter. J.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone: I am going to revive the olde SFFC Short Fat Flyfishers Club that Dennis Bitten came up with but is now disbanded. The new name that 14 of us has chosen is "Short Fat Cigar Smokin Flyfishers Club." The rules are going to change a bit as I and others feel that a club of this type can make an impact on the market and we would truly like to make it a viable club. The market is for extended sized sport clothes, waders, gloves and various other equipment (Ever try to get a size 50" waist from Orvis in anything). Keep your Loops Tight, Flys Dry and for Pete’s sake keep your wader fly closed! Mike

Hi Mike, I’m glad to see you get this club going again. You wouldn’t consider a tall, skinny old duffers who falls in the water a lot as a candidate for membership? Just kidding, Good luck. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Do the adjectives "short" and "fat" modify "cigar," or "flyfishers"? vince norris

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Al, Until your post, I was wondering what was supposed to be "short and fat" — the cigar or the flyfisher. DaveB

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Missed the beginning of this thread. Where do I go to sign up? Bob

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Hi: Well it could be both or either I guess. The intent is for us anglers that are short and fat in stature to gain recognition in the fly fishing market. The Cigar Smoking is just an added pleasure for those of us who partake in it. MMT

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone: I am going to revive the olde SFFC Short Fat Flyfishers Club that Dennis Bitten came up with but is now disbanded. The new name that 14 of us has chosen is "Short Fat Cigar Smokin Flyfishers Club." The rules are going to change a bit as I and others feel that a club of this type can make an impact on the market and we would truly like to make it a viable club. The market is for extended sized sport clothes, waders, gloves and various other equipment (Ever try to get a size 50" waist from Orvis in anything). Keep your Loops Tight, Flys Dry and for Pete’s sake keep your wader fly closed! Mike Hi Mike, I’m glad to see you get this club going again. You wouldn’t consider a tall, skinny old duffers who falls in the water a lot as a candidate for membership? Just kidding, Good luck. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

Your club is greta, though I’ll skip the cigars.  It is frustrating to try to find waders for someone 5′6" and 240 lbs.  However, you might considerthe fact that we are the final result of millions of years of evolution and that so-called "thin"people are merely, unlike us, "famine resistance challenged"!  Bill

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Not trying to be a smart a**, but try finding waders for 6′-6" 170# size 10 foot.  Most mfgs think that if you are 6-6, you should be 320 or so! One of these days I’ll find something in my size Steve Stillabower Indianapolis, IN

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Hi Everyone: I am going to revive the olde SFFC Short Fat Flyfishers Club that Dennis Bitten came up with but is now disbanded. The new name that 14 of us has chosen is "Short Fat Cigar Smokin Flyfishers Club." The rules are going to change a bit as I and others feel that a club of this type can make an impact on the market and we would truly like to make it a viable club. The market is for extended sized sport clothes, waders, gloves and various other equipment (Ever try to get a size 50" waist from Orvis in anything). We have made contacts with various manufacturers that are willing to make extended sized clothing and equipment available to all us guys and GALS who have a short stature and look like a sparkplug. We even have a deal for preferred seating on two airlines so we and other passengers can feel more comfort on the flights. small, the advantages are great and heck lets get some recognition in this ever expanding market. Keep your Loops Tight, Flys Dry and for Pete’s sake keep your wader fly closed! Mike

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Please keep the politically correct crap in alt.idiocy anc not in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.  Thanks

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Pc idiocy? what pc idiocy? edwin

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I intend to fish in 11-mile canyon this fall.  I have fished it before with little luck.  I am looking for suggestions about flys and technique.      This summer, I primarily flyfished Mueller State Park, Pueblo Reservoir, and Nicholes reservoir.  Mueller and Nicholes were very productive.  I am using a 8 1/2 foot Browning 6-7 wt.  I have tried Deckers without catching a fish.  I have a lot to learn.    Any help would be very welcome.  Thanks in advance.    Sherman W.

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I intend to fish in 11-mile canyon this fall.  I have fished it before with little luck.  I am looking for suggestions about flys and technique.     This summer, I primarily flyfished Mueller State Park, Pueblo Reservoir, and Nicholes reservoir.  Mueller and Nicholes were very productive.  I am using a 8 1/2 foot Browning 6-7 wt.  I have tried Deckers without catching a fish.  I have a lot to learn.   Any help would be very welcome.  Thanks in advance.   Sherman W.

I can’t help you with fly suggestions, try Angler’s Covey in Colorado Springs. (sorry, I don’t know the number, maybe someone else can post it) The one useful piece of advice I can offer is to practice keeping your cast low to the water with a tight loop. What Mel Krieger calls a "Madison River Cast". The wind can realy get going on south park and unless you can get a cast into it you’re going to have problems. Tight lines, Dave Opincarne

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: I intend to fish in 11-mile canyon this fall.  I have fished it : before with little luck.  I am looking for suggestions about : flys and technique.   :    This summer, I primarily flyfished Mueller State Park, Pueblo Reservoir, : and Nicholes reservoir.  Mueller and Nicholes were very productive.  I am : using a 8 1/2 foot Browning 6-7 wt.  I have tried Deckers without catching : a fish.  I have a lot to learn. :    Any help would be very welcome.  Thanks in advance. :    Sherman W. Not to rain on your parade, but there are easier places to fish than Deckers and 11mile.  Right now, the Arkansas around Howard or Cotopaxi should be pretty productive.  Try just a gold ribbed hares ear nymph, or if you see a hatch coming off, and can reasonably match it go for it. If you’ve been going to Mueller SP, for just a little more time and gas money you can have a lot more fun.  Just about all of the S. Platte river above Spinney is open to fishing, and all the places on it that I’ve fished, respond well to nymphs (bead head, hares ear, etc.), and hoppers & humpies during the day.  This is a good place to get to know now, as when summer ends, and the big browns move in to the river from spinney, the fishing gets a lot more fun.  If you need more spec. info. try some of the fly shops, in CS or just about anywhere.  I would be happy to mail you some addr. if you are out of the area. Good Luck, Dave — | Any opinions expressed are not those of UCCS, but neither are the facts. | |                                                                          | | "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, especially in an AI program."  | |                         – Derek Partridge                                |

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: I intend to fish in 11-mile canyon this fall.  I have fished it : before with little luck.  I am looking for suggestions about : flys and technique.   :    This summer, I primarily flyfished Mueller State Park, Pueblo Reservoir, : and Nicholes reservoir.  Mueller and Nicholes were very productive.  I am : using a 8 1/2 foot Browning 6-7 wt.  I have tried Deckers without catching I just fished 11-mile Canyon 6 days ago.  I’ve only been to Colorado twice, and both times I must admit, the fish count out there beats the hell out of what we have here in the east.  I stopped down to the Angler’s Covey to buy 3 copies each of several local patterns of what was supposed to be the current hot flies.  My best success came late in the evening on a #24 light cahill.  Some of these guys get real scientific spewing Latin terms around, but in my experience, size is the most important factor and general coloration is next. The rainbows were fat and healthy.  (Sounds like a contradiction, but I guess I’m fat and healthy too!)  Not being used to sucking oxygen from the air at 8,500′, it was nice to be able to park streamside.  My one other Colorado fishing experience was at Cheesman Canyon, and it was worth the effort to hike into.  Anyway. . . The guy I fished with says that the trout at 11-mile Canyon are not all that leader shy — YET.  I used 8x, but that was because I bought some new Orvis tippet material that at 8x was rated stronger than what I used to buy at 4x.  Nice stuff. Anyway, I took one of my 7-1/2′ 4-wt glass rods.  I dare say I was the only one fishing a glass rod and/or a "short" rod.  I caught as many trout as the locals, and I caught them on eastern dry fly patterns. Supposedly small (#18-20) pheasant tails, bead head nymphs, gr hare’s ears were supposed to be working during times of no surface activity. I tried and RS-2 (what does "RS-2" stand for?) when I saw a bunch of tails and backs but no noses.  I guess you’re supposed to fish the emergers with a strike indicator, but I don’t like fly fishing with a bobber. Anyway, that stretch of S. Platte was a nice crick.  Saw a black bear on the way out which was kind of fun.  I didn’t land any huge trout, but I saw a few thick backs that I estimated belonged to fish in the 20 inch range.  I understand there are some bigger trout up there. All in all, it was a great vacation, ‘cept I only played golf once and only fished once.  It was really neat to hit 300+ yard tee shots, something I’ve never come close to down here near sea level. Enjoy, — Tom

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: I just fished 11-mile Canyon 6 days ago.  I’ve only been to Colorado twice, : and both times I must admit, the fish count out there beats the hell out : of what we have here in the east.  I stopped down to the Angler’s Covey It’s just not true.  There are no fish here in Colorado.  Trust me. : I tried and RS-2 (what does "RS-2" stand for?) when I saw a bunch of It stands for Rim’s Semblance #2.  Rim came here hundreds of years   ago from Korea and invented this fly as an imitation of the mayfly larva we have here in the S. Platte. : but I saw a few thick backs that I estimated belonged to fish in the : 20 inch range.  I understand there are some bigger trout up there. My son landed/released a 23" bow there this summer.  No, that wasn’t here.  It must have been in Wyoming.  We don’t have fish here. : All in all, it was a great vacation, ‘cept I only played golf once : and only fished once.  It was really neat to hit 300+ yard tee shots, : something I’ve never come close to down here near sea level. Yeah, you can get deeper into the rough here than is possible in the lowlands.  :-) : Enjoy, : — Tom Glad you had a good time. Bryan

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