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"Bill Kiene"  wrote They put it in a little gar and dunk their flies in it.

Okay, Bill.  You had me thoroughly flummoxed for a minute there.  I was trying to figure out how you force-feed a gar.  Hmmm. Yes, I understand people make typos, but when the typos are grammatically correct…. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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I"ve been experimenting with ordinary silicone liquid waterproofer for shoes.  The brand happens to be "Cavalier Ever-Dri," but any brand would be similar. It comes with a built-in applicator that consists of a wad of cotton about an inch in diameter on a wire attached to the screw cap.   But I use an ordinary cheap "artist’s" brush so I can treat just part of a fly, such as an emerger, without treating the part I want to sink. Let the flies dry overnight before using them. vince norris

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I"ve been experimenting with ordinary silicone liquid waterproofer for shoes.  The brand happens to be "Cavalier Ever-Dri," but any brand would be similar. It comes with a built-in applicator that consists of a wad of cotton about an inch in diameter on a wire attached to the screw cap.   But I use an ordinary cheap "artist’s" brush so I can treat just part of a fly, such as an emerger, without treating the part I want to sink. Let the flies dry overnight before using them. vince norris

Been there done that, doesn’t seem to work very good in my experience Flyfish

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  I"ve been experimenting with ordinary silicone liquid waterproofer for – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – shoes.  The brand happens to be "Cavalier Ever-Dri," but any brand would be similar. It comes with a built-in applicator that consists of a wad of cotton about an inch in diameter on a wire attached to the screw cap. But I use an ordinary cheap "artist’s" brush so I can treat just part of a fly, such as an emerger, without treating the part I want to sink. Let the flies dry overnight before using them. vince norris Been there done that, doesn’t seem to work very good in my experience Flyfish

The reason SILICONE type pastes don’t work as fly dressings are many fold. 1)  Silicone grabs dirt and grit like a magnet. 2)  Silicone matts fine hackles 3)  Silicone absorbs 10% of its weight in water!  (A big fault and defect) 4)  Silicone is NOT a product designed to be a fly dressing. We have solved and and eliminated all the above problems. Gink, is the only dry fly dressing in the world designed to be a dry fly dressing.  It is an original product that has no fly fishing faults. George Gehrke "I use gink"

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This is a bit out of date (and a fire hazard.) 1.  Lots of modern fly materials float pretty well without dressing (not true of say 1965.)

1.  Darn right, Don, I can’t remember the last time I needed a floatant   at all.  I reckon applying pastes and goos to a properly tied dry fly     actually detracts from their appearance, and in some cases (CDC for     example) detrimental to floating the fly. Powdered dessicants I do   use. 2. Albolene seems to be the actual stuff sold as high-priced fly floatant.

2. See 1.  ;-) Steve

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Hi Gililk, I heard about that ~30 years ago. I have never tried it. I think it was paraffin and lighter fluid? I did hear of a good formula for a great floatant that fly fishing guides use around Ennis, Montana. They take a container of "Red Mucilin Paste" and mix it (3 or 4 to 1 ) with lighter fluid. They put it in a little gar and dunk their flies in it. After dunking,  they blow the extra "floatant" off. It works well. Actually, in our fly shop, the favorite paste or jel type floatants are "Dave’s Bug Float" and  "Gink". The most popular power floatants (desiccant base) are "Yamazaki’s Dry Shake" and "Frog’s Fanny". — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This will be my first season fly fishing so you regulars in here may see allot of my posts seeking info…LOL. Anyway..I read that you can make a good dry fly dressing at home using a mixture of white gas & paraffin. Can someone post or mail me with the directions for mixing this(or any other) and also the correct way to apply? Also feel free to point the way to useful websites for beginners. Thanx in advance!

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I read that you can make a good dry fly dressing at home using a mixture of white gas & paraffin. This is a bit out of date (and a fire hazard.) 1.  Lots of modern fly materials float pretty well without dressing (not true of say 1965.) 2. Albolene seems to be the actual stuff sold as high-priced fly floatant. — Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)

Gink is NOT, no way in hell, abolene. Gink is the safest, best dry fly dressing in all of fly fishing  history. No brag. Fact! Mr. G.

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daytripper writes: What – you didn’t have some metaphoric spelling teacher to go bananas on? Guess you found a sense of humor this week…

Well, excuuuuuuse me!  I thought I had a sense of humor answering your post. At least it was meant that way.  And she was an English teacher – she’d be somewhere north of 100 today.  d;0) Dave

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daytripper writes: What – you didn’t have some metaphoric spelling teacher to go bananas on? Guess you found a sense of humor this week… Well, excuuuuuuse me!  I thought I had a sense of humor answering your post. At least it was meant that way.  And she was an English teacher – she’d be somewhere north of 100 today.  d;0)

Somewhere downwards of six feet would be my guess. Wolfgang fully aware of the gravity of the implications.

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I read that you can make a good dry fly dressing at home using a mixture of white gas & paraffin.

This is a bit out of date (and a fire hazard.) 1.  Lots of modern fly materials float pretty well without dressing (not true of say 1965.) 2. Albolene seems to be the actual stuff sold as high-priced fly floatant. — Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)

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I read that you can make a good dry fly dressing at home using a mixture of white gas & paraffin. This is a bit out of date (and a fire hazard.) 1.  Lots of modern fly materials float pretty well without dressing (not true of say 1965.) 2. Albolene seems to be the actual stuff sold as high-priced fly floatant. — Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)

Abolene deteriorates certain fly tying materials by slowly softening them and dissolving them.  Abolene also is NOT ENVIRONMENTAL friendly in that you do not want to put oil into water.  What makes abolene work on removing Make Up is that it is a light oil that cuts into heavy, compacted facial creams and gook women put on their faces, especially actors who wear copious amounts of make up. There is a certain mindset in fly fishing that thinks saving money is more important than using products specifically designed to be enviornmentally friendly.  In the course of a life time, for instance, one purchase of Fly-Maker’s Wax will last most fly fishermen over ten years yet others promote you to by a big package of toilet wax which is not designed to perform as well as a product invented by a fly fisherman for fly fishermen. When you Gink a fly, you’re using a product that is designed just for fly fishing.  Now, I would like to make another statement in this regard.  Gink is the ONLY dry fly dressing in the world that is not a plagerized product from another industrial source being dumped into your trout streams.  The hurtful chemicals found in Abolene doesn’t cross the cheap-scape minds in Roff.  They truely believe they have a leg’s up on Gink when in fact these individuals don’t know green side up.  This is why Gink is the only product on the world market today that is a dry fly dressing invented by a fly fisherman for fly fishermen.  There is no way in hell anyone is going to out float Gink with another stolen industrial product, passing them off as dry fly dressings when in fact they are not. If you care about your fly fishing, clean water and healthy trout and above all, healthy aquatic life that isn’t being killed by Abolene . . .  you should use the product that has nearly thirty years of customer satisfaction, world wide.  That product is . . . George Gehrke Mr. Gink http://www.gink.com

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gililk writes: This will be my first season fly fishing so you regulars in here may see allot of my posts seeking info…LOL. Anyway..I read that you can make a good dry fly dressing at home using a mixture of white gas & paraffin. Can someone post or mail me with the directions for mixing this(or any other) and also the correct way to apply? Also feel free to point the way to useful websites for beginners. Thanx in advance!

No need to mix your own floatant.  If the tubs at the fly shop are too expensive (they are!), go to a drugstore and in the ladies cosmetic section, but a jar of Albolene.  It is the same stuff that most fly dressings are made of.  And, a helluva lot cheaper.   Dave

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go to a drugstore and but a jar of Albolene.  

Louie, you taking Mildred with you when you shop? Kevin

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Kevin writes: go to a drugstore and but a jar of Albolene.   Louie, you taking Mildred with you when you shop?

*&%^#)( fingers!!!  

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This will be my first season fly fishing so you regulars in here may see allot of my posts seeking info…LOL. Anyway..I read that you can make a good dry fly dressing at home using a mixture of white gas & paraffin. Can someone post or mail me with the directions for mixing this(or any other) and also the correct way to apply? Also feel free to point the way to useful websites for beginners. Thanx in advance!

I know a few of people who use Naptha and wax. You need to keep the bottle in an inside pocket. It needs higher temps than your typical air temps to disolve the wax. Personnaly I’ve found Cortland Dab to be work the best. Paul

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Kevin writes: go to a drugstore and but a jar of Albolene.   Louie, you taking Mildred with you when you shop? *&%^#)( fingers!!!  

What – you didn’t have some metaphoric spelling teacher to go bananas on? Guess you found a sense of humor this week… /daytripper (btw: Here’s that PHHBBBBBBTTT I was saving up for ya!

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This will be my first season fly fishing so you regulars in here may see allot of my posts seeking info…LOL. Anyway..I read that you can make a good dry fly dressing at home using a mixture of white gas & paraffin. Can someone post or mail me with the directions for mixing this(or any other) and also the correct way to apply? Also feel free to point the way to useful websites for beginners. Thanx in advance!

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When shooting with my rangefinder camera, I find I use my lenses in the order 35, 24, 50, 15, 90. When I go out for a photo session for a day or a trip, I usually only carry two lenses (sometimes three) … The kits I’ve carried that proved very comfortable were 15/35/90 and 24/50. I’m beginning to believe that my ideal kit for this camera might be 21/35/75. With SLRs, I tend to go with longer lenses. I currently have three lenses 22-55 zoom, 50 and 100mm, and would like a fast 135 or a fast 180 as well. I find I never use the zoom as it is only an f/4 and too slow, plus it’s not terribly sharp. For completeness sake, I probably want a fast ultrawide as well, around a 20mm. Again, when going on a trip, I carry at most two-three lenses, but use the 50 the vast majority of the time; my last all round SLR kit was a 20/50/105 or 70-300 setup that was amazingly flexible and comfortable to use. With the kit you have listed, I would find the 28 and 35 a little too close together, would probably go with a 20-24mm instead. The 80-200 is a wonderful lens, it’s just way too bulky for me to want to carry much! Godfrey === CrisKeath sez: it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. My shooting habits right now will be of 3 things-nature (when I go hiking) and candid shots of the kids playing or group shots. Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc

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I tend to rely on primes (24/2.8, 35/2.8, 50/1.8, 105/2.5, 135/2.8) as I like the small size and speed of those lenses – I am uncomfortable with the weight and bulk of the heavy 2.8 zooms. I have the new Tamron 28-200mm XR for convenience n bright light, and am (so far) astounded by its results. If I were to change anything, I’d trade in my 35mm f/2.8 on the f/2 and the 135mm on a 180mm f/2.8. I like your outfit and would be satisfied (although I personally find the 80-200mm too heavy) with it if I changed the 28mm to a 24mm. Big difference in perspective. Your F100 is sweet. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. My shooting habits right now will be of 3 things-nature (when I go hiking) and candid shots of the kids playing or group shots. Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. Skip the 26…go for at least a 24mm. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc How about a 50 1.4 or 50 1.8?? MWNN Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 –

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Minuses: The 28 and 35 are probably too close together; 80-200 is imho too heavy to hike with. If you want 3 lenses, what about the 28/2.8, 50/1.8, and 80-200/2.8?  That would be a very nice stable of lenses.  You could shoot good portraits with the 80-200 but personally i’d never take it on a hike.  (don’t let cheap price of 50/1.8 fool you—it’s great) Dudefish alternative: if you want to cover a lot of ground, save a lot of money, and have one lens capable of making lots of very respectable images, why not just get the AF-D 28-105/3.5-4.5?  This may be a worth looking into, esp. if your interest is more casual than professional. btw, F100=very nice.

80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200.

 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc

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80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose

You may wish to get this lens’ little brother, the 70-210mm constant f/4. It rates very highly especially for costing well under $300. It is much smaller and lighter also. If you decide to get a Nikon 50mm I would get the 1.8 instead of the 1.4. It’s cheaper and by many accounts, better overall than the 1.4 except for the slight edge in terms of "speed." I have a 1.4 and while I’ve been fairly happy with it, many reviews I have read pointed out the general superiority of the 1.8. Just make sure to get one with a metal mount! Amy

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Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc.

I’d substitute a 24mm or wider lens for the 28mm. I think you’ll find the 35mm to be very useful indeed…the 28mm isn’t that much wider. With a 24 you start getting into interesting territory perspective-wise. My main SLR kit is small: 21/60/180. (The 60mm is a macro lens but also works great for general picture-taking and even portraits.) Two other lens sets I like are 21/50/135 and 15/35/90. I use these with rangefinder cameras. -Dave-

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. My shooting habits right now will be of 3 things-nature (when I go hiking) and candid shots of the kids playing or group shots. Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc

I too have the F100 and the N70 as a backup/2nd body.  I use the Tokina Pro 17/3.5, 28-70/2.6-2.8, 80-200, and Nikkor 50/1.8. I will probably be adding the 300/f4 AF-S to that list.  For hiking this would be quite a heavy load.  The 50/1.8 is an awesome lens, and try an ultra wide lens, it is truly fun…. JR

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I’m in the exact same boat, and could have written the original post myself! My thoughts were the F100 with the 24-85 f2.8-4 IF D-AF and the 80-200 f2.8 Ed D IF.  Any comments on choice and / or the quality of these two lenses before I take the plunge? Also, I’ve got a pretty recent Vivitar 283 (doesn’t everyone?) and don’t know how it might integrate into an F100 system?  Trigger voltage is one thing – I understand later serial #s are okay?  But what about metering modes and such? Thanks, Wayne

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. My shooting habits right now will be of 3 things-nature (when I go hiking) and candid shots of the kids playing or group shots. Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc I too have the F100 and the N70 as a backup/2nd body.  I use the Tokina Pro 17/3.5, 28-70/2.6-2.8, 80-200, and Nikkor 50/1.8. I will probably be adding the 300/f4 AF-S to that list.  For hiking this would be quite a heavy load.  The 50/1.8 is an awesome lens, and try an ultra wide lens, it is truly fun…. JR

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I have  a 17-35mm 2.8 on the wide end, a 28-135mm IS for the middle and a 70-200 4.0L at the long with a 1.4 and 2.0TC and an EOS-3. I normally only carry one lens at a time depending on what I am shooting, but the others will be in my trunk if I find I need them and one will be on my wife’s Elan 7 so we can swap. I am seriously thinking of replacing the 17-35(which is my favorite nature / travel lens with a Contax G2 with some collection of 16mm through 45mm lenses. This will put much less strain on my neck by days end. Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m in the exact same boat, and could have written the original post myself! My thoughts were the F100 with the 24-85 f2.8-4 IF D-AF and the 80-200 f2.8 Ed D IF.  Any comments on choice and / or the quality of these two lenses before I take the plunge? Also, I’ve got a pretty recent Vivitar 283 (doesn’t everyone?) and don’t know how it might integrate into an F100 system?  Trigger voltage is one thing – I understand later serial #s are okay?  But what about metering modes and such? Thanks, Wayne it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. My shooting habits right now will be of 3 things-nature (when I go hiking) and candid shots of the kids playing or group shots. Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc I too have the F100 and the N70 as a backup/2nd body.  I use the Tokina Pro 17/3.5, 28-70/2.6-2.8, 80-200, and Nikkor 50/1.8. I will probably be adding the 300/f4 AF-S to that list.  For hiking this would be quite a heavy load.  The 50/1.8 is an awesome lens, and try an ultra wide lens, it is truly fun…. JR

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I have  a 17-35mm 2.8 on the wide end, a 28-135mm IS for the middle and a 70-200 4.0L at the long with a 1.4 and 2.0TC and an EOS-3. I normally only carry one lens at a time depending on what I am shooting, but the others will be in my trunk if I find I need them and one will be on my wife’s Elan 7 so we can swap. I am seriously thinking of replacing the 17-35(which is my favorite nature / travel lens with a Contax G2 with some collection of 16mm through 45mm lenses. This will put much less strain on my neck by days end. Dave

… … I also carry the 17-28 2.8L and the 28-135 IS (even though I don’t like the lens), but where you have the 70-200 4.0L and some TCs,  I have an 85 1.2L and a 100-400 4-5.6L. I don’t have any TCs and am nervous about getting one as I worry that I’ll be too disappointed in the optical quality. Charles — *  Charles Richmond    Integrated International Systems Corporation   * *  UNIX Internals, I18N, L10N, X, Realtime Imaging, and  Custom S/W   * *         131 Bishop’s Forest Drive , Waltham , Ma. USA 02452         * *  (781) 647 2269   FAX (781) 647 3665   Cellular (617) 504 3379      *

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have  a 17-35mm 2.8 on the wide end, a 28-135mm IS for the middle and a 70-200 4.0L at the long with a 1.4 and 2.0TC and an EOS-3. I normally only carry one lens at a time depending on what I am shooting, but the others will be in my trunk if I find I need them and one will be on my wife’s Elan 7 so we can swap. I am seriously thinking of replacing the 17-35(which is my favorite nature / travel lens with a Contax G2 with some collection of 16mm through 45mm lenses. This will put much less strain on my neck by days end. Dave … … I also carry the 17-28 2.8L and the 28-135 IS (even though I don’t like the lens), but where you have the 70-200 4.0L and some TCs,  I have an 85 1.2L and a 100-400 4-5.6L. I don’t have any TCs and am nervous about getting one as I worry that I’ll be too disappointed in the optical quality. Charles — *  Charles Richmond    Integrated International Systems Corporation   * *  UNIX Internals, I18N, L10N, X, Realtime Imaging, and  Custom S/W   * *         131 Bishop’s Forest Drive , Waltham , Ma. USA 02452         * *  (781) 647 2269   FAX (781) 647 3665   Cellular (617) 504 3379      *

Sounds like what I carry, 17-35 f2.8-4 Sigma, 28-135 IS Canon, 100-400 IS, 100 f2 and 50 f1.8, although generally not all at once. Skip —   Shadowcatcher Imagery  http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have  a 17-35mm 2.8 on the wide end, a 28-135mm IS for the middle and a 70-200 4.0L at the long with a 1.4 and 2.0TC and an EOS-3. I normally only carry one lens at a time depending on what I am shooting, but the others will be in my trunk if I find I need them and one will be on my wife’s Elan 7 so we can swap. I am seriously thinking of replacing the 17-35(which is my favorite nature / travel lens with a Contax G2 with some collection of 16mm through 45mm lenses. This will put much less strain on my neck by days end. Dave … … I also carry the 17-28 2.8L and the 28-135 IS (even though I don’t like the lens), but where you have the 70-200 4.0L and some TCs,  I have an 85 1.2L and a 100-400 4-5.6L. I don’t have any TCs and am nervous about getting one as I worry that I’ll be too disappointed in the optical quality. Charles

Charles,     You really like  big lenses. Very nice but big. I find the 1.4TC to be unnoticeable in image quality when used and the 2.0 gives just a touch of softness to the 70-200mm 4.0L which otherwise is crisp as hell. I actually used to own the 28-70mm 2.8L and sold it to purchase the 28-135mm IS just to get away from the weight also the 70mm top end was always too short. Stopped down they are very similar in image quality. I have scoured the photo market for a camera and lens combination that will give me a L or better look without a crick in my neck. The Contax G2 and lenses seems to do the trick. Played with a G1 last week and really liked it. No real usable zoom but it is optically great and light. Canon just came out with the 16-35mm 2.8L which is somewhat bigger and heavier than the 17-35. I was hoping for a 17-35mm 4.0L to match my 70-200. I do mostly scenic and am stopped down most of the time.   Dave

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<<If you decide to get a Nikon 50mm I would get the 1.8 instead of the 1.4. It’s cheaper and by many accounts, better overall than the 1.4 except for the slight edge in terms of "speed." I have a 1.4 and while I’ve been fairly happy with it, many reviews I have read pointed out the general superiority of the 1.8. Just make sure to get one with a metal mount! Amy I have both the f1.4 and f1.8.  The difference is slight and not noticeable under most conditions.  The f1.8 is sharper at f1.8 than the f1.4 is at that opening, but by  the time both are at f2.8 and certainly by f4, they are essentially equal from mid to out there distances.   Up close, the f1.8 has the edge until f5.6.  OTOH, the f1.4 is a little brighter and easier to focus on manual.  I think the f1.4 is made better, or at least my version seems to be. I use them almost interchangeably. Allen Zak

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When I go off into the hills with my 4X4 I take three lens with me, the 17-35mm, 24-120mm, and the 135-400mm. Since it’s open daylight, I don’t really need a battery of fast lenses, but the 17-35mm is my favorite lens for scenic’s (among other things). In my trail bag, I take a N90s, the 24-120 and the 135-400 with three filters, a warming filter, polarizer, and a UV; and a MC30 shutter release cable. I have a sold light weight fly fishing wadding staff that I have placed a Giotto MH-1003 ball head on and I use that for my walking staff and monopod. I don’t use my steel Gitzo monopod when on the trail. It’s too heavy. The 135-400 serves me well for creature pictures and the 24-120 handles the rest of my needs. But for vistas, I like the 17-35 stopped down to f11 at 20 or 24mm’s, mounted on a tripod (the 17-35mm and the tripod stay with the 4X4). Nick – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. My shooting habits right now will be of 3 things-nature (when I go hiking) and candid shots of the kids playing or group shots. Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc

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When I hike I carry an Elan II, a 28-135IS, a Sigma 17-35 2.8, and a cheapo 75-300 if I feel like carrying it.  In the bag on a serious day I add a 70-200 2.8L and an EOS-3.  It comes down to home much you want to carry.  What stinks is invariably whenever I don’t carry a camera or a specific lens, a picture comes along and i am stuck muttering, "Damn, wish I brought along the…" Y’all know the feeling.

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I don’t have any lenses in my bag. Two years ago I bought a really nice camera body to start me off on my picture taking. Hopefully, in a few years I will be able to afford a nice lens. Until then I am practicing pointing the camera, pushing the shutter button smoothly and taking notes on thing I see that might make a good picture.  - the photo guy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have  a 17-35mm 2.8 on the wide end, a 28-135mm IS for the middle and a 70-200 4.0L at the long with a 1.4 and 2.0TC and an EOS-3. I normally only carry one lens at a time depending on what I am shooting, but the others will be in my trunk if I find I need them and one will be on my wife’s Elan 7 so we can swap. I am seriously thinking of replacing the 17-35(which is my favorite nature / travel lens with a Contax G2 with some collection of 16mm through 45mm lenses. This will put much less strain on my neck by days end. Dave … … I also carry the 17-28 2.8L and the 28-135 IS (even though I don’t like the lens), but where you have the 70-200 4.0L and some TCs,  I have an 85 1.2L and a 100-400 4-5.6L. I don’t have any TCs and am nervous about getting one as I worry that I’ll be too disappointed in the optical quality. Charles Charles,     You really like  big lenses. Very nice but big. I find the 1.4TC to be unnoticeable in image quality when used and the 2.0 gives just a touch of softness to the 70-200mm 4.0L which otherwise is crisp as hell. I actually used to own the 28-70mm 2.8L and sold it to purchase the 28-135mm IS just to get away from the weight also the 70mm top end was always too short. Stopped down they are very similar in image quality. I have scoured the photo market for a camera and lens combination that will give me a L or better look without a crick in my neck. The Contax G2 and lenses seems to do the trick. Played with a G1 last week and really liked it. No real usable zoom but it is optically great and light. Canon just came out with the 16-35mm 2.8L which is somewhat bigger and heavier than the 17-35. I was hoping for a 17-35mm 4.0L to match my 70-200. I do mostly scenic and am stopped down most of the time.   Dave

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When I hike I carry an Elan II, a 28-135IS, a Sigma 17-35 2.8, and a cheapo 75-300 if I feel like carrying it.  In the bag on a serious day I add a 70-200 2.8L and an EOS-3.  It comes down to home much you want to carry.  What stinks is invariably whenever I don’t carry a camera or a specific lens, a picture comes along and i am stuck muttering, "Damn, wish I brought along the…" Y’all know the feeling.

I’ve had that feeling. Especially when I see a fantastic vista and reflect upon not bringing a second camera that has transparency film. There is _nothing_ like seeing something so grand as such scenes projected upon a large projection screen in your home, except seeing the real thing. Prints or digitals on a monitor don’t come close to reproducing the feeling one gets when viewing projections. Nick

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I don’t have any lenses in my bag. Two years ago I bought a really nice camera body to start me off on my picture taking. Hopefully, in a few years I will be able to afford a nice lens. Until then I am practicing pointing the camera, pushing the shutter button smoothly and taking notes on thing I see that might make a good picture. – the photo guy.

PG, you are not taking this thing seriously. Glue a piece of kitchen foil across the lens mounting ring on your body, make a small hole in it with a needle, and you can have a lens for free, you will *never* need to waste any more money. If you put it on a couple of concentric cardboard tubes you can have a zoom lens of pretty well any effective focal length you like, with *no change in quality* (how about that, a zoom that’s *exactly* as good optically as a fixed focal length lens). And you will have no problem with bo-ke, as all the scene will be in focus, every time (well, kind of). — David Littlewood

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writes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have  a 17-35mm 2.8 on the wide end, a 28-135mm IS for the middle and a 70-200 4.0L at the long with a 1.4 and 2.0TC and an EOS-3. I normally only carry one lens at a time depending on what I am shooting, but the others will be in my trunk if I find I need them and one will be on my wife’s Elan 7 so we can swap. I am seriously thinking of replacing the 17-35(which is my favorite nature / travel lens with a Contax G2 with some collection of 16mm through 45mm lenses. This will put much less strain on my neck by days end. Dave I also carry the 17-28 2.8L and the 28-135 IS (even though I don’t like the lens), but where you have the 70-200 4.0L and some TCs, I have an 85 1.2L and a 100-400 4-5.6L. I don’t have any TCs and am nervous about getting one as I worry that I’ll be too disappointed in the optical quality.

Hmm, at the risk of this sounding like a clone club, I usually have a 17-35 f/2.8L, a 28-135 f/4-5.6 IS and a 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS. If only I could leave it there, but no, I usually have to add a Sigma 14mm, a TS-E 24 f/3.5, and a 35 f/1.4 (if doing interiors) plus a 1.4x TC and maybe a spare body. Before I replaced some earlier lenses with these heavier ones, I would regularly have a Mamiya 6 outfit (body plus 3 lenses) in the same bag. No wonder I have spent so much on chiropractors in the last year or so! Think I need a spare body too (usually known as my wife). — David Littlewood

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I have  a 17-35mm 2.8 on the wide end, a 28-135mm IS for the middle and

… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also carry the 17-28 2.8L and the 28-135 IS (even though I don’t like the lens), but where you have the 70-200 4.0L and some TCs,  I have an 85 1.2L and a 100-400 4-5.6L. I don’t have any TCs and am nervous about getting one as I worry that I’ll be too disappointed in the optical quality. Charles,     You really like  big lenses. Very nice but big. I find the 1.4TC to be unnoticeable in image quality when used and the 2.0 gives just a touch of softness to the 70-200mm 4.0L which otherwise is crisp as hell. I actually used to own the 28-70mm 2.8L and sold it to purchase the 28-135mm IS just to get away from the weight also the 70mm top end was always too short. Stopped down they are very similar in image quality. I have scoured the photo market for a camera and lens combination that will give me a L or better look without a crick in my neck. The Contax G2 and lenses seems to do the trick. Played with a G1 last week and really liked it. No real usable zoom but it is optically great and light. Canon just came out with the 16-35mm 2.8L which is somewhat bigger and heavier than the 17-35. I was hoping for a 17-35mm 4.0L to match my 70-200. I do mostly scenic and am stopped down most of the time.   Dave

It is true that my gear weighs a lot and I probably should get a Canon 1.4TC. I wonder if it would fit on the 85 1.2L… Charles — *  Charles Richmond    Integrated International Systems Corporation   * *  UNIX Internals, I18N, L10N, X, Realtime Imaging, and  Custom S/W   * *         131 Bishop’s Forest Drive , Waltham , Ma. USA 02452         * *  (781) 647 2269   FAX (781) 647 3665   Cellular (617) 504 3379      *

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There certainly are a lot of us with the 17-35 f2.8L. It is one of my favourite lenses. How about you guys? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes I have  a 17-35mm 2.8 on the wide end, a 28-135mm IS for the middle and a 70-200 4.0L at the long with a 1.4 and 2.0TC and an EOS-3. I normally only carry one lens at a time depending on what I am shooting, but the others will be in my trunk if I find I need them and one will be on my wife’s Elan 7 so we can swap. I am seriously thinking of replacing the 17-35(which is my favorite nature / travel lens with a Contax G2 with some collection of 16mm through 45mm lenses. This will put much less strain on my neck by days end. Dave I also carry the 17-28 2.8L and the 28-135 IS (even though I don’t like the lens), but where you have the 70-200 4.0L and some TCs, I have an 85 1.2L and a 100-400 4-5.6L. I don’t have any TCs and am nervous about getting one as I worry that I’ll be too disappointed in the optical quality. Hmm, at the risk of this sounding like a clone club, I usually have a 17-35 f/2.8L, a 28-135 f/4-5.6 IS and a 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS. If only I could leave it there, but no, I usually have to add a Sigma 14mm, a TS-E 24 f/3.5, and a 35 f/1.4 (if doing interiors) plus a 1.4x TC and maybe a spare body. Before I replaced some earlier lenses with these heavier ones, I would regularly have a Mamiya 6 outfit (body plus 3 lenses) in the same bag. No wonder I have spent so much on chiropractors in the last year or so! Think I need a spare body too (usually known as my wife). — David Littlewood

– *  Charles Richmond    Integrated International Systems Corporation   * *  UNIX Internals, I18N, L10N, X, Realtime Imaging, and  Custom S/W   * *         131 Bishop’s Forest Drive , Waltham , Ma. USA 02452         * *  (781) 647 2269   FAX (781) 647 3665   Cellular (617) 504 3379      *

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it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. [...] 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc

I carry a 24mm 2.8f, 105mm 2.8f micro for my fixed lenses, and the cheap-but-light 28-80mm 4.0-5.6f zoom and the 70-300mm zoom. A couple extension rings and a 1.4x TC and some filters get me where I want to go. The F100 is a great body. Enjoy. Greg

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it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. My shooting habits right now will be of 3 things-nature (when I go hiking) and candid shots of the kids playing or group shots. Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc

I take a 24, a 50 and a 100 for all that. And two bodies. One for b&w; one for slide. Just for the odd occasion I add a 2x converter. And a 12 mm macro tube. There are of course (macro) zoom lenses covering 24 to 100mm. For shooting negative they are fine. Not for slides imho. A zoom is more versatile, but not a lot. More important: look ahead: see your photo opportunity coming and have your complete camera ready. All set at the right speed, opening and distance. There is a *lot* more in one’s bag beside lenses. Keep the total weight as low as possible. If you can carry more, take more film! Here’s what’s in my bag: http://www.xs4all.nl/~wiskerke/artikelen/bag1.html – lots of small items — http://www.wiskerke.com

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Great choice on the F100. This summer my standard hiking setup was the AF-S 80-200, AI-S 105 micro, AI 50mm f1.4, AI-S 20mm f2.8 and a Kenko Pro 1.4X. I use the LowPro Mini-Treker to carry all this, often with a Slik 804CF and SB-28.. For vacation travel, I bring the 24-120 and AI 50mm f1.4. For candids I like the AF-S 28-70 f2.8. Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. My shooting habits right now will be of 3 things-nature (when I go hiking) and candid shots of the kids playing or group shots. Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc

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Two pentax cameras ZX30 & ZX7 35-80mm zoom.  This lens gets a lot of flack in this group but I love its ability to compose family shots. 28mm f28 for landscape. 100-300mm for nature & wildlife. 50mm f1.7 for low light. 500mm f8 mirror lens.  A new toy I just bought to play with.  It was cheap and it really has a reach.  Quality is not really expected but still an unknown.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t have any lenses in my bag. Two years ago I bought a really nice camera body to start me off on my picture taking. Hopefully, in a few years I will be able to afford a nice lens. Until then I am practicing pointing the camera, pushing the shutter button smoothly and taking notes on thing I see that might make a good picture. – the photo guy. PG, you are not taking this thing seriously. Glue a piece of kitchen foil across the lens mounting ring on your body, make a small hole in it with a needle, and you can have a lens for free, you will *never* need to waste any more money. If you put it on a couple of concentric cardboard tubes you can have a zoom lens of pretty well any effective focal length you like, with *no change in quality* (how about that, a zoom that’s *exactly* as good optically as a fixed focal length lens). And you will have no problem with bo-ke, as all the scene will be in focus, every time (well, kind of). — David Littlewood

Why practice w/ the camera at all – Einstein once said that "imagination is more important than knowledge", imagination’s also a better film than Kodak, Fuji, Agfa, Konica, Imation/3M, etc. put together and it has better bokeh and is cheaper than any pinhole/zoom lens – and get this… "you never run out of film to you run out of thoughts" (I said this and I imagined myself saying it too, therefore I have a free picture w/o any camera, film, flashcards or IBM micro-drives being used) … Descartes, Earl of Broken Watches… "I think therefore I am, I imagine therefore I’m late (even if I imagine I’m early)" Lewis I’ve set (anti-spam) controls to allow in only people on my list. If you want to be on my list contact me through the newsgroup. I regret the inconvenience. Thanks. Check out my photos at "LEWISVISION": http://members.aol.com/Lewisvisn/home.htm

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Question:

wu-name?

Your name, if you were a member of the Wu-Tang Clan, which presumably you’re not. Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked.

That is, without a doubt, one of the very, very best posts ever on ROFF. IMVHO. Thank you. — Halfordian Golfer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3…7 [snipped] 8. Did verse, naked. That is, without a doubt, one of the very, very best posts ever on ROFF. IMVHO. Thank you. Thanks, I think… Although something tells me I missed a smiley or two somewhere in there. –Steve

ZBone!!! –waldo <g ps, i don’t recall ever seeing timbo use smileys….

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A couple of hours is no exception for me.. but then again, juggling the letters ‘rec outdoors fishing fly’ can obviously take some time. Here are the results: Rearranging the letters of ‘rec outdoors fishing fly’ gives: Oh God! frictionless fury.

what we all wish, in tender moments of passion, to hear screamed <g waldo

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1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3…7 [snipped] 8. Did verse, naked. That is, without a doubt, one of the very, very best posts ever on ROFF. IMVHO. Thank you.

Thanks, I think… Although something tells me I missed a smiley or two somewhere in there. –Steve

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked. –Steve

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I can’t decide what’s more geeky. The fact that I spent an hour doing those dorky (that’s for you, Mike!) anagrams or the fact that you guys (Paul and Joe) solved them in half that time. –Steve (feeling progressively worse about that Amish joke)

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native       7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked.

3 (you)       6 (me) /daytripper (who the heck is 5?)

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native       7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked.

1 (wayno) 3 (you)       4 (louie) 6 (me) /daytripper (who *is* number 5?)

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk!   6. So data-native       7. Never, baard!! 8. Did verse, naked.

1 (wayno) 3 (you)       4 (louie) 6 (me) 7 (rw) 8 (snedeker) /daytripper (MS Anti-Anagram 2K beta tester)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked. Cool. | 1. Wayne Harrison 2. Walt Winter 3. Steve Zimmerman 4. Dave LaCourse 5. Ken Fortenberry 6. Dave Tatosian 7. Steve Barnard 8. David Snedeker

Oh, a couple of sharpies, eh? /daytripper (I’d just gotten Forty, too! 8-P)

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I don’t know which generator Zimbo tried.  Go to http://www.mbhs.edu/~bconnell/anagrams.html and try your name.  The "Z" will mess you up.  Try your full middle name to get more to choose from.  Vangelic Surgeon is pretty cool. JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t see me in there. Should I be offended. (Where is this anagram generator, and what does it get from Mike S. Medintz? I know my wu-name is Vangelic Surgeon…)

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked.

Cool. | | | | | | | | | | | | 1. Wayne Harrison 2. Walt Winter 3. Steve Zimmerman 4. Dave LaCourse 5. Ken Fortenberry 6. Dave Tatosian 7. Steve Barnard 8. David Snedeker

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1 Wayne Harrison 2 Walt winter 3 Stephen Zimmerman 4 Dave Lacourse 5 Ken Fortenberry 6 dave tatosian 7 Steve Banard 8 dave snedeker

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked. –Steve

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! Steve Zimmerman 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked. –Steve

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Zimbo writes: 4. Use a ‘Clave rod.

Shouldn’t that read:  Use a ‘clave, Rod. And it was the easiest one. Dave L.

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That was the first one I got. I saw reefer and your name didn’t fit… Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man! 4. Use a ‘Clave rod. 5. Try’n’ reefer… Bonk! 6. So data-native 7. Never, bastard!! 8. Did verse, naked. 3 (you) 6 (me) /daytripper (who the heck is 5?)

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I can’t decide what’s more geeky. The fact that I spent an hour doing those dorky (that’s for you, Mike!) anagrams or the fact that you guys (Paul and Joe) solved them in half that time.

It was just timing.   I uncharacteristically found myself sitting with my laptop in front of the TV where SWMBO was watching "Judging Amy".   It was either work anagrams or have my brains sucked out of my head. Joe F.

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The following are anagrams of the names of eight of the folks who post on ROFF, picked off the top of my head. Can you name these eight people? 1. Nary saw heroin

Wayno. 2. Wet, raw lint 3. Me Sperm Zenith Man!

Steve Zimmerman I don’t see me in there. Should I be offended. (Where is this anagram generator, and what does it get from Mike S. Medintz? I know my wu-name is Vangelic Surgeon…) Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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I took the names in Zimbo’s challenge and plugged them into the anagram generator. It came up with Wayne Harrison as an anagram for the first one. However, it didn’t find Walt Winter or even Winter out of the second one. My spell checker wants to replace Zimbo with Zombie or Zima Paul (If Zimbo drinks Zima he’ll be a Zombe)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know which generator Zimbo tried.  Go to http://www.mbhs.edu/~bconnell/anagrams.html and try your name.  The "Z" will mess you up.  Try your full middle name to get more to choose from.  Vangelic Surgeon is pretty cool. JR I don’t see me in there. Should I be offended. (Where is this anagram generator, and what does it get from Mike S. Medintz? I know my wu-name is Vangelic Surgeon…)

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I don’t see me in there. Should I be offended. (Where is this anagram generator, and what does it get from Mike S. Medintz? I know my wu-name is Vangelic Surgeon…)

There’s a site, www.anagramgenius.com, that will take your text and e-mail you the anagrams.   It’s a one-at-a-time thing (they’re really just trying to sell you the software), but it’s a freebie.   Depending on the backlog, the response time can vary, but ten minutes is the longest I’ve waited. wu-name? Joe F.

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I took the names in Zimbo’s challenge and plugged them into the anagram generator. However, it didn’t find Walt Winter or even Winter out of the second one.

no big surprise…. some would argue i’ve been lost for years <g waldo

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A couple of hours is no exception for me.. but then again, juggling the letters ‘rec outdoors fishing fly’ can obviously take some time. Here are the results: Rearranging the letters of ‘rec outdoors fishing fly’ gives: Y-fronts if slouchier dog.              Y-fronts if slouchier god. Shod frostily configure.                Offishly scourged in rot. Rot or offishly seducing.               Scruffy, loonier dog shit. Roguishly sod off cretin.               Configure or filthy sods. Filthy scourger if on sod.              Y-fronts dig slouchier of. Turnoffs choose rigidly.                Officers don’t roguishly. His good if cruel Y-fronts.             Offishly courting doers. Odoriferous lynch gifts.                Sod! filthy of in scourger. Horrify seduction flogs.                Horridly scoffing to use. Unity girlhood scoffers.                Scoff ugly dishonorer it. Scourged or offishly tin.               It nor offishly scourged. Good! frostily fine crush.              If huge Y-fronts discolor. Scoff guilty dishonorer.                Offishly erotic grounds. Offishly groins to crude.               Roguishly tired on scoff. Heroic of dungs frostily.               Is godly, heroic turnoffs. I scourged offishly torn.               Offishly seducing rotor. Roguishly scoffed in rot.               Roguishly not dire scoff. Ghouls dirty on officers.               Offishly or erotic dungs. Floor touchy frigidness.                Ugh! frostily consider of. Gosh! frostily if on crude.             Frostily hogs if on crude. Gosh! dicier Y-fronts foul.             Fifty grouchiness drool. Oh God! is cruel if Y-fronts.           Forged foolish scrutiny. Rude or offishly costing.               Is rude scoffing or hotly. Cushy, ironfisted or flog.              Curses! off tiny girlhood. Ugly, horrific, often sods.             Historic guy of fondlers. Confused so filthy rigor.               Offishly or corniest dug. Offishly. Scourger in dot.              Offishly counted rigors. Goof if shirty scoundrel.               Of or shy cunts glorified. Frostily hogs in crude of.              Heroics dung frostily. Of. Grouchier of sits fondly.               Fondly if sorriest cough. Y-fronts foul dicier hogs.              Y-fronts if his good ulcer. Lousy, hot, direr scoffing.             Scoff sure tiny girlhood. Soften ugly, horrific sod.              Orgy of if this scoundrel. Scourged of or filthy sin.              Ignored offishly courts. Rude gits croon offishly.               Horridly scoff to genius. Curse It! off shy drooling.             Filthiness or goofy crud. Fondly if to his scourger.              Noisy or frightful codes. If the ground-floor cissy.              Sniff courtesy girlhood. Strongly officious herd.                Curse It! dog nor offishly. Curse It! god nor offishly.             Ridge offishly contours. Offishly roosting crude.                Rude git croons offishly. 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Recording outs offishly.                Offishly courted groins. Offishly crude or on gits.              Flies horrify good cunts. Good! scoff slithery ruin.              Do our slithery scoffing. Roguishly tried on scoff.               Cushion frostily forged. Curse It! if hogs or fondly.            Hedonistic or fury flogs. Off this lousy recording.               Let’s! horrid you scoffing. Directory hogs sinful of.               Dire turnoffs hog cosily. Dirty off slouchier song.               Rudely or to his scoffing. Shiftier, scornful goody.               Ugly, horrific soft nodes. Glory courts fiendish of.               Sorriest young off child. Offishly reducing so. Rot.              Offishly got so incurred. Shortly if so configured.               Scourged if on if shortly. Shortly scourged if in of.              Roguishly if forced snot. Tin or roguishly scoffed.               It nor roguishly scoffed. Roguishly do off cretins.               Soft! roguishly nice ford. 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Good! icier Y-fronts flush.             Y-fronts foul heroics dig. Ferocity dishonors gulf.                This loony drug officers. Tiny, foolish, crude frogs.             Yes scoffing horrid lout. Ghouls cry ironfisted of.               Dirtying so or foul chefs. In godly, sorcerous fifth.              On stodgy, horrific fuels. Young, horrific felt sods.              Offishly, is good current. I don’t offishly. Scourger.             Offishly do tin scourger. Offishly sign or to crude.              If of or shortly seducing. I scoffed roguishly torn.               Ghostly of if so incurred. Good! cushy or fine flirts.             Fools if touchy grinders. Slouchy, ironfisted frog.               Horny of flogs crudities. Frigid, uncool shyster of.              Frostily forced housing. Oh No! scourged if firstly.             Not defy so horrific slug. Curses! on fifty girlhood.              Is huge Y-fronts frolic do. Y-fronts if so rogue child.             Consider if frosty ghoul. I don’t see me in there. Should I be offended. (Where is this anagram generator, and what does it get from Mike S. Medintz? I know my wu-name is Vangelic Surgeon…) There’s a site, www.anagramgenius.com, that will take your text and e-mail you the anagrams.   It’s a one-at-a-time thing (they’re really just trying to sell you the software), but it’s a freebie.   Depending on the backlog, the response time can vary, but ten minutes is the longest I’ve waited. wu-name? Joe F.

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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I recently moved to Glendora, and I know of the west fork in the San Gabriel Canyon, but I wanted to know if there were any other close spots to fly fish. Also if any parts of the SG river have smallmouth bass or sunfish in them. Thanks alot.

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You can fly fish in many spots, the further you go NORTH or in ALTITUDE the better your chances of good fishing.   Try the Kern wilderness, the Big-Bear area and also the San-Bernardino Park system. You can find more info and links at www.troutworld.com Good Luck, Jeff Gray – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently moved to Glendora, and I know of the west fork in the San Gabriel Canyon, but I wanted to know if there were any other close spots to fly fish. Also if any parts of the SG river have smallmouth bass or sunfish in them. Thanks alot.

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___  I may have erred on the side of the Confederate flag as I’ve been told time and again not to get involved in politics.  But I love the deep south and I can write a book about my fly fishing career there.  In fact, I have. Oh well, chaos is just my nature I suppose.  Sorry Tom. Please forgive me. The turtle retracts his neck back within its shell. The guy everyone loves to hate, Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/

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___  I may have erred on the side of the Confederate flag as I’ve been told time and again not to get involved in politics.  But I love the deep south and I can write a book about my fly fishing career there.  In fact, I have. Oh well, chaos is just my nature I suppose.  Sorry Tom. Please forgive me. The turtle retracts his neck back within its shell. The guy everyone loves to hate, Mr. G.

IMHO, the Confederate Flag is now used mainly as a symbol of racism. If South Carolina had any regard for their image they’d dump it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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George writes:  I may have erred on the side of the Confederate flag as I’ve been told time and again not to get involved in politics.  But I love the deep south and I can write a book about my fly fishing career there.  In fact, I have……  Sorry Tom. Please forgive me.

Geez, George, I wasn’t even mad….worth pointing out, however, the SC started flying said flag in the late 1950’s and as such, it was more a statement of racism than confederate patriotism, IMHO.                       Tom Littleton

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Need some advice/info on traveling to Alaska. Very personal reasons for needing the info, I will give reasons via email to those of you I trust, for what that’s worth on this forum. Am looking for best times/places to go, best scenery, perhaps chartering a boat off the shore. Thanx. Mike

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Need some advice/info on traveling to Alaska. Very personal reasons for needing the info, I will give reasons via email to those of you I trust, for what that’s worth on this forum. Am looking for best times/places to go, best scenery, perhaps chartering a boat off the shore. Thanx. Mike

Early spring BEFORE the mosquito hoards hatch!  Watched 2 guys on ETV fishing a pristine river in Alaska in their hip boots and fly fishing gear.  I bet some Alaska tourista bureaucrat lost his job over that video for NOT making damn sure they hosed down the mosquitoes before they started filming.  The mosquitoes were SO THICK trying to eat the cameraman you could hardly see the fishermen in front of the lens 25 ft. Bring Skin-So-Soft.  Lots of it. Larry.

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Mike, (no smart ass intended here), to charter a boat big enough to be safe and comfortable in the Gulf of Alaska you will need to be able to establish prior operating experience on a boat just a little larger than the one you currently own. Not saying you don’t have such experience, just that it will be important. Charter companies can and do say "no, sorry" on a regular basis if there is no prior experience on a similar sized boat. How far north would you be taking the boat? Some members of our YC made the trip last summer in a 33 ft Bayliner and they went all the way to Glacier Bay…. (but!)…they took four months to do it and were willing to sit out the cranky weather for several days at a time when neccesary (it often was) in order to wait for more reasonable conditions. Probably not a luxury you’d have on a charter cruise, though. Whatever takes you to AK, hope it’s a positive thing. Chuck Gould Float and let float.

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I am sick of this damn ad. Big Dale

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Me too. Bob Elliott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am sick of this damn ad. Big Dale

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I am going to Lake Tahoe for a week in one week. Does anyone know anything about the fishing conditions this time of year? Is there any stream fishing in the vicinity in Late October?

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Depends which end of the lake you are going to.  It’s been in the teen’s at night, so will be cold in the morning.  At North Shore (Tahoe City) there is the Truckee, and out of south Shore there are some streams, and the East Carson over the hill hwy 88.  Contact Trout Creek Fly’s in South Shore for up to date info on stream fishing.  The lake fishing will be good for Mackinaws, there are some charter boats available.  Kokanee will be heading up the streams.  Be sure to go to the stream chamber at Taylor Creek state park (near South Shore) to see the run.  Have an underwater viewing window. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am going to Lake Tahoe for a week in one week. Does anyone know anything about the fishing conditions this time of year? Is there any stream fishing in the vicinity in Late October?

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I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for the help!!!                   Good luck, er fishing…                                 JOHN

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: I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!!   Ah. Welcome to "livers." Since cats in my neck of the woods like minnows (live or dead) as well as anything, I won’t touch chicken livers with a stick. Went fishing once with a friend. He used livers, and wiped his f*cking hands off on his pants. Got in my car, smearing that juice all over my seat. For a week, afterwards, my car stank. "No dear, that wasn’t me…." Anyway, yeah — you can use trebles, but I don’t recommend it. Yes, the liver stays on much better, but it’s not a good hook for cats (unlike a "Kahle(sp?)"), and if they do gulp it, it’s the devil’s own work, unhooking it. Instead — either fry the livers very briefly, or leave them out in the sun, first, for a while. That toughens ‘em up, and they won’t fly off the hook when you cast.

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: I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!!

You could use two small trebs englobbed in the flesh. TimW

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: I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!! You could use two small trebs englobbed in the flesh. TimW

you can use what we call out here magic thread. what is it, it is a thread about the size of dental floss and it is elastic you take a live to a hook and hold on to one end of the thread and pull it tight and wrap the meat to the hook. let go of it and it senches the liver to the hook no knots to tie. it works great happy trails robert

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!!   Ah. Welcome to "livers." Since cats in my neck of the woods like minnows (live or dead) as well as anything, I won’t touch chicken livers with a stick. Went fishing once with a friend. He used livers, and wiped his f*cking hands off on his pants. Got in my car, smearing that juice all over my seat. For a week, afterwards, my car stank. "No dear, that wasn’t me…." Anyway, yeah — you can use trebles, but I don’t recommend it. Yes, the liver stays on much better, but it’s not a good hook for cats (unlike a "Kahle(sp?)"), and if they do gulp it, it’s the devil’s own work, unhooking it. Instead — either fry the livers very briefly, or leave them out in the sun, first, for a while. That toughens ‘em up, and they won’t fly off the hook when you cast.

Just put all the livers you want in the toe of an old pair of pantyhose…tie it off of pin it shut…insert hook and feel free to cast as hard as you want….Good luck!  this technique has really gotten me some massive channel cats in the rivers of PA…

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: I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!!   Take a spool of light cotton thread with you and wrap about a foot of it around the liver to hold in place. Don’t wrap it too tight or it’ll slice the liver. I like cotton thread because it breaks easy and I don’t need to hunt for my knife all the time, it just breaks with a pull. Try beef or pork liver, works just as well and stays on the hook better. BiNM

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I just wanted to second this: Since cats in my neck of the woods like minnows (live or dead) as well as anything, I won’t touch chicken livers with a stick.

I do use liver every now and then, or get some of that "catfish bait" in the tubs at the store. But catfish really like live small fish or large minnows (check your regs before using small fish – here it is okay to use small sunfish only if you catch them legally with hook and line) or cut bait. Night crawlers also work well. If it is legal to chum, you can toss a liver in near your line to attract cats. Once they arrive, they will eat other offerings as well. -Andy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!!   Take a spool of light cotton thread with you and wrap about a foot of it around the liver to hold in place. Don’t wrap it too tight or it’ll slice the liver. I like cotton thread because it breaks easy and I don’t need to hunt for my knife all the time, it just breaks with a pull. Try beef or pork liver, works just as well and stays on the hook better. BiNM

You can also use a little square of panty hose wrapped around the liver…

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Could someone point me towards a Flyfishing Mailing List?  I nosed around this group looking for directions to a FAQ, thinking that would mention it, but haven’t managed to locate it either. Thanks in advance! Jack Gilbert

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use no subject "subscribe Flyfish" (your real name, no quotes) that’s all there is to it. Enjoy!! Frank Church

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