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Dave, Earlier this year I lost the ability to see close with my regular glasses on.  I also know that my regular near sight (without glasses) is going down hill as well.  So after a few 10-15 minute sessions on stream changing flies on 6x, I gave in and got the magnifiers which are a life-saver for me. I also bought a boom-arm magnifier light for tying and other close work at home. I was really hoping the progressives worked but for me, I felt like I was walking around with fish-eye lenses and was getting headaches. I just went tonight and turned them in (I was in a trial period) for regular distance lenses, and back I go to the clip on magnifiers on stream — Rob

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Rob;   That’s too bad about the progressives. I love mine in the regular everyday lenses–but tying knots on stream–or even tying flies at home on the bench–is better accomplished with the naked eye. Sucks getting old–but the alternative is a *helluva* lot worse. Dave M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dave, Earlier this year I lost the ability to see close with my regular glasses on.  I also know that my regular near sight (without glasses) is going down hill as well.  So after a few 10-15 minute sessions on stream changing flies on 6x, I gave in and got the magnifiers which are a life-saver for me. I also bought a boom-arm magnifier light for tying and other close work at home. I was really hoping the progressives worked but for me, I felt like I was walking around with fish-eye lenses and was getting headaches. I just went tonight and turned them in (I was in a trial period) for regular distance lenses, and back I go to the clip on magnifiers on stream — Rob

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I broke down and bot a few of those cute little needle threader type hook threaders that sit in my C&F boxes. They work ok and all but I’ve noticed that on smaller sizes the tippet forms a crease where it is hooked by the threader and pulled through. This makes my a bit nervous to include the creased section either in my knot or in my leader section. My concern is that by forming such a sharp bend in the tippet, I’m creating a weak spot and risking a break when load is applied. Anyway, the solution is just to snip off the bend. Aside from that, my little sise 22’s have become very popular with the smallmouth bass crowd. I’ve tended to fish the last two hours of the day recently and found that the darker bodied (BWO) parachutes have been hands down more productive than the lighter brown and tan bodies, even though the pattern is otherwise identical. They must put some cheese flavoring in that Super Fine olive dubbing. As an aside, check out http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/wildlife/fishing/fishid/default.htm I don’t live in Ohio, but I’ve found the line drawings and descriptions on this site of typical panfish and bass to be very interesting. I printed out all of the species that my son has caught and we colored them (to the best of our recollection) with water colors. Over and out. -bh Boulder, CO

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Rob;   I have progressives for both my regular glasses and polarized progressives for my fishing glasses. You’d think they’d work fine–but noooo. Still much easier–for me anyway–to whip off the glasses and use the naked eye. I *do* have to be a bit careful in the dusk after taking off the fishing (dark) glasses–my "regular" ones don’t have the Croakies attached. Be a shame to drop them in the river.   Dave M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well…the "trick"; if you want to call it that; at least for me–because I’m so near-sighted–is to hang my glasses off a string /croakies off my neck; and tie on the fly using just my regular vision. That’s a trick I learned from watching my mother-in-law threading a needle. I’ve been told that it only works if you’re nearsighted–but if you are–it works like a charm. HTH. if you’re nearsighted and can’t see near anymore just happened to me earlier this year.  I’m trying progressive lenses (instead of bifoculs) right now, but hate them. I’m probably going to resort to 2 pairs of glasses… regular distance correction and reading glasses. On stream I’ll just use my clip-on magnifiers. Rob

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Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

As an aside, don’t use your teeth to cut the tippet because this will flatten the end of it, making it wider than the diameter of the tippet. Use a sharp pair of nippers or scissors and cut the tippet at an angle. Mu

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Peter Charles writes… The eyes have hung in so far but after a day of staring at computer screens, they can need some help tying flies.  Bought a cheap pair of 1.25 diopter half-glassses from the drug store – work great. Peter

Hell I’m up to 2.75 diopter and it still doesn’t work. I’ve got to use magnifiers. The clip-on ones work well and you can buy polaroids with magnifiers built right in How the hell did you tie the damn things without magnifiers? Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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but makes it much more pleasant. Wolfgang For who, you or the guy watching you? Darin

Share the wine and the spectators’ acuity will match your own……the possibilities for amusement are endless.      :) Wolfgang

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Actually I found a really simple solution. I have lazy eye, like a squint except your eyes dont go in different direction. On a good day I can see fine with a small amount of strain, on a bad day I end up borrowing my mothers reading glasses to be able to see in front of my arm. It has almost gone though, my vision is perfect after taking up cross-stitch. Watch tv do cross stitch means I need to continually refocus and at the same time training my eyes to focus. I know this is not the case with a large number of you but try short-long exercise. It may make a difference. As for tying, my proficiency has gone from a 10-12 to 22+ with better focussing.

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Depends on the state of your teeth. *grin* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody? As an aside, don’t use your teeth to cut the tippet because this will flatten the end of it, making it wider than the diameter of the tippet. Use a sharp pair of nippers or scissors and cut the tippet at an angle. Mu

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I must have been born with grinders, ‘cuz I fully understand Mu’s advice. AFTER I cut the line cleanly with nippers, and AFTER I don my magnifiers, I have to move the fly around to get the best backgound for finding the hole. (sound like the start of a bad joke, eh.)  Foreground, background, and contrast all play a role. David . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As an aside, don’t use your teeth to cut the tippet because this will flatten the end of it, making it wider than the diameter of the tippet. Use a sharp pair of nippers or scissors and cut the tippet at an angle. Mu

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Well…the "trick"; if you want to call it that; at least for me–because I’m so near-sighted–is to hang my glasses off a string /croakies off my neck; and tie on the fly using just my regular vision. That’s a trick I learned from watching my mother-in-law threading a needle. I’ve been told that it only works if you’re nearsighted–but if you are–it works like a charm. HTH.

if you’re nearsighted and can’t see near anymore just happened to me earlier this year.  I’m trying progressive lenses (instead of bifoculs) right now, but hate them. I’m probably going to resort to 2 pairs of glasses… regular distance correction and reading glasses. On stream I’ll just use my clip-on magnifiers. Rob

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I sat up last night and tied a couple dozen medium brown parachute duns in sizes 20 and 22. This morning I’m looking at them, not half bad BTW, and wondering how the hell I did that. I can barely see the ribbing on the bods and the hackle is as fine as that from a hummingbird’s scrotum. <huh? whaddid he say? Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

magnifier clip-ons onstream, or pre-tie them at home.

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Well…the "trick"; if you want to call it that; at least for me–because I’m so near-sighted–is to hang my glasses off a string /croakies off my neck; and tie on the fly using just my regular vision. That’s a trick I learned from watching my mother-in-law threading a needle. I’ve been told that it only works if you’re nearsighted–but if you are–it works like a charm. HTH. Hell, that’s how I tie the fly to the tippet!

Same here.

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Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody? One word: Magnifiers. Or a couple of glasses of wine……doesn’t really speed the process, but makes it much more pleasant. Wolfgang

…and it gives you TWO hook-eyes to aim for — NightStalker

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"Nightstalker" …and it gives you TWO hook-eyes to aim for — NightStalker

One more glass and you’ll see 3. This makes it much easier, you aim for the middle one. Clark

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I sat up last night and tied a couple dozen medium brown parachute duns in sizes 20 and 22. This morning I’m looking at them, not half bad BTW, and wondering how the hell I did that. I can barely see the ribbing on the bods and the hackle is as fine as that from a hummingbird’s scrotum. <huh? whaddid he say? Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

The eyes have hung in so far but after a day of staring at computer screens, they can need some help tying flies.  Bought a cheap pair of 1.25 diopter half-glassses from the drug store – work great. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Make grandson feel needed! OR leave fly off, eliminates need to reel in fish,unhook etc. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I sat up last night and tied a couple dozen medium brown parachute duns in sizes 20 and 22. This morning I’m looking at them, not half bad BTW, and wondering how the hell I did that. I can barely see the ribbing on the bods and the hackle is as fine as that from a hummingbird’s scrotum. <huh? whaddid he say? Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

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but makes it much more pleasant. Wolfgang

For who, you or the guy watching you? Darin

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I sat up last night and tied a couple dozen medium brown parachute duns in sizes 20 and 22. This morning I’m looking at them, not half bad BTW, and wondering how the hell I did that. I can barely see the ribbing on the bods and the hackle is as fine as that from a hummingbird’s scrotum. <huh? whaddid he say? Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

I’m excessively nearsighted, so first I try lowering my glasses and using a bare eye look.  Doesn’t help with 6X tippet.  Then I haul out the cheap drugstore reading glasses.  Helps.  I can see how I’m missing it.  Then I keep on jabbing what I think is the end of the tippet into where I think the eye of the hook is until I luck out. Takes about 10 minutes as a general rule.  The thing I hate is when I finally get it through and go to pull it enough through to make a knot and something slips and it’s out again.  But if I’m sitting in the sunshine and the water’s gurgling nearby, that’s almost okay. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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I sat up last night and tied a couple dozen medium brown parachute duns in sizes 20 and 22. This morning I’m looking at them, not half bad BTW, and wondering how the hell I did that. I can barely see the ribbing on the bods and the hackle is as fine as that from a hummingbird’s scrotum. <huh? whaddid he say? Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

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Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

One word: Magnifiers. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Well…the "trick"; if you want to call it that; at least for me–because I’m so near-sighted–is to hang my glasses off a string /croakies off my neck; and tie on the fly using just my regular vision. That’s a trick I learned from watching my mother-in-law threading a needle. I’ve been told that it only works if you’re nearsighted–but if you are–it works like a charm. HTH.   Dave M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I sat up last night and tied a couple dozen medium brown parachute duns in sizes 20 and 22. This morning I’m looking at them, not half bad BTW, and wondering how the hell I did that. I can barely see the ribbing on the bods and the hackle is as fine as that from a hummingbird’s scrotum. <huh? whaddid he say? Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

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Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody? One word: Magnifiers.

Or a couple of glasses of wine……doesn’t really speed the process, but makes it much more pleasant. Wolfgang

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Have been using these and they work great, 4 different magnifications to choose from. http://www.mageyes.com/Hobby.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I sat up last night and tied a couple dozen medium brown parachute duns in sizes 20 and 22. This morning I’m looking at them, not half bad BTW, and wondering how the hell I did that. I can barely see the ribbing on the bods and the hackle is as fine as that from a hummingbird’s scrotum. <huh? whaddid he say? Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

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Well…the "trick"; if you want to call it that; at least for me–because I’m so near-sighted–is to hang my glasses off a string /croakies off my neck; and tie on the fly using just my regular vision. That’s a trick I learned from watching my mother-in-law threading a needle. I’ve been told that it only works if you’re nearsighted–but if you are–it works like a charm. HTH.

Hell, that’s how I tie the fly to the tippet! — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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Do you need any translation  EnglishSpanish or SpanishEnglish on the Fly fishing field?. I am experienced and enjoy the field. Contact — Yoldi P.

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What is fishing like in the Basque country? What are the rivers, the flies etc? You are located in the Basque region of Spain, no?  Que parte?  Are you a guide? Que es el pescado mas typical del region? Qual estam los metodos de los pescadores mas importante? Usan las "moscas" francesas o unos desde Espana? Yo conozco los "patterns" de B. Martinez de Austurias se llaman " Rio Eo," "Rio Esva," y "Martinez Special."  . . . para el Salmon Atlantico.  Son otros para trutas? I think lots of folks on this NG would be interested in your observations. gracias David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you need any translation  EnglishSpanish or SpanishEnglish on the Fly fishing field?. I am experienced and enjoy the field. Contact — Yoldi P.

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From what I heared from a friend of mine, who spent six months in Spain, it was near to impossible to fish troutrivers over there. He stayed in the Sevilla region, and the licenses for the different rivers for the entire year were given out in very early spring. Only local fisherman were able to obtain them. No license, no fishing, so he could only fish the reservoirs for black bass. No offense to the bass fans! I wonder how things are in Euskadi? I visited the place once on a motorbike holiday, without flyrod (;-(( ) but saw some stunning rivers, especially near the Pyrennees. Hasta la vista, Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is fishing like in the Basque country? What are the rivers, the flies etc? You are located in the Basque region of Spain, no?  Que parte?  Are you a guide? Que es el pescado mas typical del region? Qual estam los metodos de los pescadores mas importante? Usan las "moscas" francesas o unos desde Espana? Yo conozco los "patterns" de B. Martinez de Austurias se llaman " Rio Eo," "Rio Esva," y "Martinez Special."  . . . para el Salmon Atlantico.  Son otros para trutas? I think lots of folks on this NG would be interested in your observations. gracias David Do you need any translation  EnglishSpanish or SpanishEnglish on the Fly fishing field?. I am experienced and enjoy the field. Contact — Yoldi P.

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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The fishing in Spain exists mainly in the north .In  Regions in the south, as Seville is impossible. In Leon, you can fish sea trout and pike and in Asturias which is a wonderful area you can fish mainly pike and trout. In Euskadi which is a small region in the north there is not any important  fishing. Navarra (near the Pyrenness is also a good place . Fly fishing is a new sport in Spain although fortunately is increasing in followers  each passing day. Y. (fly fishing translator) David Snedeker escribi

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Nice trip Frank!  Bluegill can be a hoot when they are active and hitting on top. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As promised, here ’tis. (nice trip snipped) Frank (sunburned in Elkhart) Church Elkhart, IN

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As promised, here ’tis. Met my brother Monday at Jackson L. in south central Florida about noon.  Temps in the low 80’s and an absolutely gorgeous day graced us. We fished first for bass, both of us missed a couple of good strikes, but that’s about it for the afternoon.  BTW, the strikes came on a wooly bugger popper that was shown in Warm Water Flyfishing mag. Nothing more than a wooly bugger (long shank hook) with a popper head on the front. I added rubber legs and eyes as well. This was a ‘dry’ camp, (no, not booze) but no water, no trash cans, and one pit toilet that defies description. (PU!!)  We spent the nite in our pickups as it turns out, tho we had planned to sleep in bivy tents. The preponderance of alligators suggested the prudent thing to do was get off the ground.  Shining a 5 cell light out on the water after dark revealed dozens of eyeballs staring back at us, and we had seen some ‘big’ ones during the day. The next morning we woke to peasoup fog, so opted to wait awhile for it to lift. As soon as we could make out trees in the gloom, we shoved off and stayed within sight of the trees.  Again, we both missed strikes.  I then switched to my St Croix 2 wt and began throwing tiny poppers, and then the fun began. Caught really nice size bluegill, and had a helluva time with the 2 wt, love it!!  During the time we were in the middle of this herd of ‘gills, one hit at my popper, I jerked it so hard that the popper sailed over my head and landed in the water behind me, guess what, another nailed it there before I could recover the ‘bad backcast’ and go after the first one. All in all, it was a fun time and really nice to get in walking shorts and sandals again. I don’t need to catch fish to have a good time, and a bonus was the wildlife…bald eagles, heron, egrets, coons, anhingas, and, of course, the ever present alligators. I will arrange another delivery down that way by the end of the month and try again. Frank (sunburned in Elkhart) Church Elkhart, IN

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Does anyone know if there is any worthwhile flyfishing in the area.  I will be there late March and am wondering if there are any opportunities in the area.

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(EVANV) writes: Does anyone know if there is any worthwhile flyfishing in the area.  I will be there late March and am wondering if there are any opportunities in the

area. Lots of worthwhile fishing opportunities in the area. Plenty of wadeable tidal pools in the bay, bayous, and sound where good shots at redfish and speckled trout can be had.There’s an Orvis Store in Destin (my credit card statement says Blue Bay Outfitters, but I thought it was called something else, oh well it’s there ) Also good fishing in the gulf and in nearby fresh water rivers and ponds. And if you’re lucky, I onced hooked a small tarpon there while casting to redfish though I understand that is a rare occurence. Wayne Knight Geneva IL                            

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I inquired at the local Orvis shop (Destin) and was very satisfied with the

Well I’ll be…another good spot for information is Half Hitch tackle. me where I could wade for redfish, speckled trout and pompano. He also said

Although that area still has a bit more net-ban-poaching than other areas there seem to be more fish when I was dock fishing over Thanksgiving. Let me put this way, I caught the first redfish I had caught from the location in about 15 years.  A couple of places to wade are the sound at the Brooks bridge going into FWB.  There are a nice set of grass beds on the FWB side of the sound between the bridge and to the point to the east side of the bridge (ie the side opening to the bay). Heading toward Destin from FWB, just before the bridge to Destin on the left is the Coast Guard Station.  In front of the Coast Guard Station is a decent size sand flat.  In March there might be some spanish moving through (ask at the Half Hitch). Some folks try across the road from the Coast Guard Station on the gulf side of the island and back toward FWB.  You will see a spot to park very near the beach about 1/4 mile before the Destin bridge. One other place that I have never tried, but it is a large sand flat now is on the bay side of the island about half way between FWB and Destin. there were some very nice bluefish off the east jetty. It can be accessed by

At tide change the jetty can be rather good from what I have seen the few times that I have been there.  You can get to either jetty and the walk to the end of the west jetty takes about 30 minutes.  You can also "try" to fish the eddy in the pass on that side as well. Cheers, Mike — Mike Marler                          Information Technology, Georgia Tech

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I spend a fair amount of time in that area, and although I have never fished there I plan to in the future. When I was there over the Christmas holidays I inquired at the local Orvis shop (Destin) and was very satisfied with the info I got. I do not recall the name of the owner, but he was able to tell me where I could wade for redfish, speckled trout and pompano. He also said there were some very nice bluefish off the east jetty. It can be accessed by foot or boat(better). I got some additional info from a sporting goods store named Sockeyes. I would recommend contacting both before going. I was very disappointed after talking to them that I had not come prepared to fish. If you want to travel a few miles (30 or so) to the east past Panama City you can go to St. Joseph Bay. There is excellent fishing there. I also understand there is a tarpon fishery there. If you decide to use a guide and have any desire to split a trip, I would be interested. It is only a few hours from New Orleans and I am always looking for an opportunity to fish. Best of luck. Does anyone know if there is any worthwhile flyfishing in the area.  I will be there late March and am wondering if there are any opportunities in the

area.

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Anyone have an idea of the value of a 1977 Seamaster Tarpon Model flyreel. Anti-reverse, left ahnd retrieve.Thanks. Jack.

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Anyone have an idea of the value of a 1977 Seamaster Tarpon Model flyreel. Anti-reverse, left ahnd retrieve.Thanks. Jack.

Maybe $500 to $1000? I am not really sure,but they are hard to get. If you advertise it in the Miami Harold right now, it’s peak tarpon season, you might get more? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I’m not sure of the model and year of the reel you have, but I not seen a Seamaster under $1,100 in a long time down here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have an idea of the value of a 1977 Seamaster Tarpon Model flyreel. Anti-reverse, left ahnd retrieve.Thanks. Jack. Maybe $500 to $1000? I am not really sure,but they are hard to get. If you advertise it in the Miami Harold right now, it’s peak tarpon season, you might get more? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Bill- Is this an "S" handle reel or the one with the flat plate with the single knob mounted directly to it? If it is the latter and in v/g to exc condition, you might see upwards of $1500 for it. In lesser condition, considerably less. If it is an "S" handle, they are highly collectible in good condition and could bring $1500 to $2000. Good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have an idea of the value of a 1977 Seamaster Tarpon Model flyreel. Anti-reverse, left ahnd retrieve.Thanks. Jack. Maybe $500 to $1000? I am not really sure,but they are hard to get. If you advertise it in the Miami Harold right now, it’s peak tarpon season, you might get more? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Bill — Try contacting Bob Berger, owner of Bonefish Bob’s, a flyfishing store in Islamorada, FL. Bonefish Bob specializes in used saltwater flyfishing equipment and is an expert in Seamaster reels. Sorry, I don’t have his phone number handy, but I’m sure you can get it from information. BobE. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bill- Is this an "S" handle reel or the one with the flat plate with the single knob mounted directly to it? If it is the latter and in v/g to exc condition, you might see upwards of $1500 for it. In lesser condition, considerably less. If it is an "S" handle, they are highly collectible in good condition and could bring $1500 to $2000. Good luck. Anyone have an idea of the value of a 1977 Seamaster Tarpon Model flyreel. Anti-reverse, left ahnd retrieve.Thanks. Jack. Maybe $500 to $1000? I am not really sure,but they are hard to get. If you advertise it in the Miami Harold right now, it’s peak tarpon season, you might get more? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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The URL you seek is: http://www.seakayaker.com/gaddis/gadabout.htm

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The URL you seek is: http://www.seakayaker.com/gaddis/gadabout.htm

Hi Dave I bookmarked the site. Thanks for taking the time to post the information. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I’ve been away a week fishing the banks of Argentina for trout. What a blast. My friend told me someone posted info about a Gadabout Gaddis homepage, a hero to me in my childhood. Can anyone post the url here! Much Appreciated Vince

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My friend told me someone posted info about a Gadabout Gaddis homepage, a hero to me in my childhood.

 Truly fun to watch, but you know…we never really got a look at the fly!….any guesses as to what he had on..?…worms…nightcrawlers.., cheese!….;-) Steve D.

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I propose the following actions in response to SPAM showing with increasing frequency in this group:  1. Immediately after spotting SPAM, mail to the spammer a big piece of     email.         Subject matter should be the same as the one in SPAM.       The bigger the piece the better.  If you are on UNIX, keep handy a       core dump file. (Mine is 10Mb.)  At some point, spammer’s net       provider may notice heavy traffic and disk usage.  Plugs have been       pulled on people using too much of provider’s resources.  2. If spammer objects, keep sending the piece.  3. Call spammer’s provider.  4. Under NO circumstances post followups to SPAM in the group!         Any followup to SPAM is bad.  But the worst are the ones that       include the copy of the original SPAM.  Vent your splean by       writing the spammer.  Use harsh language. -AR

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I wrote earlier: I propose the following actions in response to SPAM showing with increasing frequency in this group: 1. Immediately after spotting SPAM, mail to the spammer a big piece of    email.   …

A nice way to inflict pain on a spammer is to forward to him his own spam.  If each of us does it several times, he might find his mailbox stuffed with his own, well, spam.  Cheers,  -AR

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hunt them down and kill them TimW (Just kidding, SPAMMERS *DESERVE* to live in a world with spammers)

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Beat them to death with your #5 rod, and turn it in on warrantee when it breaks?   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hunt them down and kill them TimW (Just kidding, SPAMMERS *DESERVE* to live in a world with spammers)

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A nice way to inflict pain on a spammer is to forward to him his own spam.  If each of us does it several times, he might find his mailbox stuffed with his own, well, spam.  Cheers,  -AR

Somebody posted a gif of a can of Spam one one of the newsgroups. I always attach that to the reply just in case they don’t get it<g. Charlie…

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Rychter) writes: A nice way to inflict pain on a spammer is to forward to him his own spam.  If each of us does it several times, he might find his mailbox stuffed with his own, well, spam.  Cheers,  -AR

I’ve been sending copies of the original spam to the spammer  and to the postmaster of the system for some time now.  You’d be amazed how many of those I get back because the spammer is using a re-mailer and spamming anonymously.  You can often successfully send a complaint to the postmaster by finding the line that says "Message-ID" in the header and I’m for burning them at the steak 8^  (ok, stake if you must)                                   Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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I’m for burning them at the steak 8^  (ok, stake if you must)                                   Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

I’m with you only if we can burn them in front of their families and other spammers. — "The true Angler is content to fish alone" Brian Di Carlo

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I’m Interested in buying a boat for shallow water fishing in Bays and Rivers (Chesapeake Bay) Can anyone give me thier opinion on the Carolina Skiffs. I’ll be flyfishing from this boat. Preferably would like to hear from skiff owners or dealers. Thanks Nick DelleDonne "The Evening Rise Fly Angler’s Shop"

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I’m Interested in buying a boat for shallow water fishing in Bays and Rivers (Chesapeake Bay) Can anyone give me thier opinion on the Carolina Skiffs. I’ll be flyfishing from this boat. Preferably would like to hear from skiff owners or dealers. Thanks Nick DelleDonne "The Evening Rise Fly Angler’s Shop"

Hi Nick: I own a Southern Skimmer,(pretty much the same boat) I love it, you don’t need much water to run in or that much power to push it. I use mine on the great south bay on long island(NY) and it gets a little bouncy when its rough but on a river or lake where it’s a little calmer it should be great. J Branca

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I am just getting into fly-fishing. snip I seem to remember he used some sort of pin, but I can’t actually remember how he set it up (I was only 10 at the time). Anybody have some tips or suggestions? Paul

Paul, I would recommend you contact the Fly Box in Ottawa, they should be able to steer in the right direction. Also the Ottawa FlyFishers are an active organization you could contact also for info. Also ask around Bell Northern, I know some people flyfish there. David Delcloo

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You might want to start by reading a book or two on the basics of fly fishing.  Check your local library.  I like to suggest that folks try to get into a beginners fly fishing class.  I think its is well worth the money.  As to the kind of equipment to use, it depends on the kind of fishing you expect to be doing.  Generally, a 5wt or 6wt outfit works well for most rivers and streams, but I don’t know your situation.  As you are just starting out, you might want to look at an inexpensive outfit (I started out with a 5/6wt Cortland outfit.)  I bet that "pin" your grandfather used to attach the leader to the fly line was used in tying a nail knot. Good luck and enjoy, Claude

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Paul, I also use the nail knot with a 9′ tapered leader and would like to thank Tim for saving me trying to describe nail knot tying. With a 9′ leader I do get through about three or four per season due to my poor casting or snagging the bottom. Alan UK Flyfisher

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I am just getting into fly-fishing. The last time I ever tried it was with my grandfather ages ago. I’ve not forgotten his recommendations on the size and type of rod, nor how to play the fish. What I have forgotten is fairly basic – the best method to secure the leader line with fly (using monofilament) to the fly line. I seem to remember he used some sort of pin, but I can’t actually remember how he set it up (I was only 10 at the time). Anybody have some tips or suggestions? Regards, Paul Usual disclaimers apply…….    

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I seem to remember he used some sort of pin, but I can’t actually remember how he set it up (I was only 10 at the time). Anybody have some tips or suggestions? Regards, Paul Usual disclaimers apply…….    

The method you briefly described of attaching leader to fly line sounds like a needle knot.  This is my favorite method but is a little time consuming.   However, If you are building leaders by tying tapering dia. tippett material, you only have to tie one needle knot for the whole season.  (provided you do it right the first time) The prodedure goes like this. First you will need two sewing needles, one small enough to fit into the end of the fly line eye first, the other should be considerably larger. Step 1. Push the small needle, eye first into the end of the fly line up to a         quarter inch or so and then push it through the wall of the fly line. Step 2. Thread the smallend of the leader through the exposed eye and withdraw         the needle, with tippett, from inside the fly line.  Pull the leader         through the end of the fly line, leaving 5" or 6" extending through         the wall. Step 3. Take the larger needle and place it along side the fly line with         the eye toward the tippett and the point toward the reel.   Step 4. Wrap the butt end of the leader around the fly line and needle         starting above the point where the leader exits the wall.  Wrap down         five or so times past the exit point and pass the tag end through the         eye of the needle.   Step 5. Grab the poionted end of the needle firmly, and carefully draw the tag         end of the leader under the wraps you have just made.   Step 6. Wet the knot and cinch it up slowly ensuring that the wraps tighten         up smoothly and cover the area where the but end exited the line wall.         Trim the tag end and you are ready to go. Sounds complicated but it is knot so bad.  Pictures are a big help and there are many other ways that are a lot simpler, ie. loop connections, but as I said the is the method I prefer. Good luck, Tim

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1.  Most junk mailers think they’re doing a public service. Don’t be so all-fired-up certain they’re *not* doing a public service. [...] Let’s face facts, nobody goes to the library to research what deoderant to buy, so the decision is largely based on what advertising has had the most effective.

That may be the basis for *your* decision. Personally, I use such sources as the net and Consumer Reports to find out about products. As far as I’m concerned, junk mailers are performing a public DISservice by helping to fill our world with garbage. So, while I applaud your efforts, and I’m concerned at how much crap goes on at public expense, I must remind you that *advertising is not evil*! It is a perfectly valid method of informing the public of one’s goods and services.

You’ve made quite a leap here. The poster was complaining about JUNK MAIL, not about advertising in general. I don’t care if people advertise; I just wish they would do so in a way which doesn’t directly contribute to our pollution problem (i.e. when I "throw away" or disregard a TV commercial, I don’t have to pay the trash man to haul it away, and it takes up no space at the town dump. A case could be made that commercials cause noise pollution, but I won’t be the one to make it here…) JUNK MAIL SUX!! — "Unisys has demonstrated the power of two. That’s their stock price today."        - Scott McNealy on the history of mergers in the computer industry.

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ONE MANS JUNK IS ANOTHER MANS TREASURE! Don’t get personal opinions in the way of having an open mind about BOTH the GOOD AND BAD, that these things can do.  This applies in any and all facets of life.  HAVE an opinion, it is your RESPONSIBILITY, but don’t hamper other peoples as well in trying to keep your own.  Who knows, one day you might change your mind. (Isn’t life great) I personally LIKE *SOME* of the junk mail I have gotten over the years, and have gotten a few good deals in that way.  On the other hand, most of it IS junk, but doesn’t this relationship apply to all of life and not just glossy paper with a postage paid stamp on it. (THINK ABOUT IT) I am sure most people have gotten some kind of use out of some of the JM they have recieved. (PLEASE NO FLAMES, I am just expressing some of my thoughts, good or bad) Christopher Walton

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That may be the basis for *your* decision. Personally, I use such sources as the net and Consumer Reports to find out about products. As far as I’m concerned, junk mailers are performing a public DISservice by helping to fill our world with garbage.

Hey, without junk mail, what would fill the inside back cover of Consumer Reports?  (the Selling It column) —      .sig under construction, like the rest of this campus.

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Anyone who’s worked in the advertising field (as I have) knows that the purpose of advertising is to enforce purchasing decisions already made.  Advertising is pretty weak at persuading people to make new buying decisions, great at making people feel glad about the ones they’ve already made.  Junk mail works best with people who enjoy receiving junk mail and who have responded to it in the past.  It has little benefit for those who resist its blandishments.  My feeling is, if you want it, you should be able to affirmatively request it; and if you don’t, it shouldn’t get sent. Bob Jacobson

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Don’t be so all-fired-up certain they’re *not* doing a public service. When you have a family of four to feed (as I do), you appreciate learn- ing about bargains and getting coupons.  

Don’t forget the guy in Washington State that takes pride in being able to heat his house for the winter solely by burning junk mail.  Not exactly pollution free, because it screws up the catalytic converter on wood stoves, but a neat story anyways.

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Don’t be so all-fired-up certain they’re *not* doing a public service. When you have a family of four to feed (as I do), you appreciate learn- ing about bargains and getting coupons.  The rest just goes into the trash (eh, recycling bin!).  My biggest complaint is that it’s the same damn set of coupons every week.  If you don’t happen to like Pizza Hut, too bad.  But once in a while, you’ll get Pollo Loco coupons (which our family *does* like), or other values, which is worth an occasional sort. Pollo Loco? "Crazy Chicken"? Oh, sounds delicious…

It is!  Have you tried it?  Instead of frying the bird, they char-broil it.  There is a whole host of imitators now! Actually, ARA runs a mexican fast food place at the University called "El pollo grande" (the big chicken)…

Probably an imitator.  Like they say, "the sincerest form of flattery …" The average American sees and ignores more than 2000 advertising mes- sages every day.  You oughta be used to it by now. But just because we’re used to something doesn’t mean we have to take it.  "You oughta be used to tax increases by now, so don’t complain"

Slightly different … you can *not* ignore a tax increase!  Trust me, I’ve tried! Let’s face facts, nobody goes to the library to research what deoderant to buy, so the decision is largely based on what advertising has had the most effective.  *It is true* that without advertising, you simply *would not know* about the very existance of the products you buy and use.  The companies that produce those products would go out of busi- ness.  Then you (or me, or others like us) would be out of work. Yeah! If food manufacturers and grocery stores didn’t advertise, we wouldn’t buy any food! (Hey, wait a minute…)

You’re ignoring a fundamental problem, even with grocery stores. Grocery stores litter the landscape like McDonald’s’es.  How is one going to get you to drive an extra ten minutes to come to *their* store if they don’t tell you they exist? Why should they pay tens of kilo-bucks to advertise on TV to the entire area, when for a mere centa-buck or two they can target just the neigh- borhood?  Then add a few money-saving coupons as extra incentive, and viola!  Customers show up! Word about products is accomplished through word of mouth and "Consumer Reports".

Actually, advertisers have a lot of respect for both of these methods. Word-of-Mouth is naturally considered superior, since it’s an objective opinion from a trusted friend, relative, or neighbor. But you’ll go out of business waiting for Word-of-Mouth to get started! Word-of-Mouth, albeit the most sought after and reliable, happens to be the *slowest* form of advertising in existance!  So you put up some billboards, send out some flyers, print up some coupons, and get some people to come in and *try the product*.  Then, if your product is good, these experimenters can get the ol’ Word-of-Mouth Ball rolling. As for "Consumer Reports," I can only say that they fall into the cate- gory of "Caveot Emptor", like everything else.  I have experienced, and have talked to people who have experienced, that very frequently if you are *intimately familiar with the products* that you *disagree* with what they say about them.  If you can’t trust them on things you know about, how can you trust them for things you *don’t* know about? (Altho, I would trust most of their auto surveys.  This information is not based on their employees’ possibly biased or un-informed opinions, but rather on surveys from their readers.) My point stands.  One reason most of us can live the life of luxury that we enjoy is because companies who create products use advertising to get people to buy them.  This creates jobs, which puts money into the hands of people, who can then go out and buy more products! — "We’re sorry, but the reality you have dialed is no longer in service. Please check the value of pi, or see your SysOp for assistance." UUCP: uunet!{hplabs,fiuggi,dhw68k,pyramid}!felix!asylvain

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My point stands.  One reason most of us can live the life of luxury that we enjoy is because companies who create products use advertising to get people to buy them.  This creates jobs, which puts money into the hands of people, who can then go out and buy more products!

All Hail, Conspicuous Waste!  Long live, Throw Away Society! Bill

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1.  *CALL* the DMA’s Mail Preference Service at their secret, unlisted number (212)768-7277 and ask to be listed in their Suppression File. Stay on the phone while the computer operator types your address in. If you leave a message they may just discard it. Call them a month later and ask if you’re listed.  

I called just now – the operator told me that she couldn’t enter my information over the phone – she told me to either write in requesting this or she could send me a form.  I asked for the form; I hope that it gets a better response than the letters did.         -= iain <=-     "a sysadmin kinda guy"

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%8.  When they ask for my name and address at Radio Shack, I tell them %firmly but politely, "For the purpose of your data base, my name is Joe %Tandy and my address is GPO, Fort Worth, Texas."  Radio Shack is one of %the few large junk mailers who can’t be bothered to maintain a suppression %file. I’ve been told one great thing about Tandy but I can’t confirm it.  Can anyone? Tandy/Radio Shack does NOT sell its mailing list and from what I’ve heard they have the largest in the States. %(c) 1991, Cameron Spitzer, San Jose, California Great article, Cameron!  Thank you! Zap — Zap Savage, Savage Research, Inc. "There’s a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore like a fool."         -Steven Wright "It’ll never fly, Orville."         -Wilbur Wright

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