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VIETNAMESE BORDER GUARDS EXTORTION Overland between Vientiane and Hanoi or Danang

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Thailand seems to treat Americans well. I recall being stopped while sitting in a Thai cab by the police at what appears to be regular police check points for cabs. The Thai policemen noticed that I was American and had instructed the cab drive to treat me well and to get me to where I was going without delay responding in English that I enjoy my visit to Thailand. I have a fond memory of Bankok and enjoyed my stay there.

This sound like the reception Americans now receive in Phnom Penh, where it has recently been discovered that tourism is a huge money earner for everyone from coconut sellers in the streets to top dog Cambodiana Hotel owners. In Siem Reap, tourists coming from Bangkok are so popular, the guest house owners welcome them with extra security! See the latest news from Siem Reap from Gordon Sharpless on http://talesofasia.com/Cambodia/Updates/index.htm The Lao guys don’t seem to care much where anyone comes from, but in Vietnam, Americans are today even more popular than ever! Watch out when those Honda om drivers proposed to visit a bia om!! They dream only of dollars!! Cheers,

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I remember distinctly that the admission to go up the 1000 steps to the top of Marble Mountain in Da Nang was US$10 for foreign tourists, which all 40 people in my tour thought excessive, and none would take the tour! The admission for Vietnamese natives was $1. There were 4 policemen seating glumly under a shade at the entrance to go up the mountain and probably many more further up. A Swedish national, the nicest guy in the tour, who bought a lot of souvenirs along the way and gave money to begging children, got very upset and put up a noisy fight when he was shortchanged by a shop selling marble figurines! He was again shortchanged in Hue by a girl selling brass gifts on a tour boat! The government’s 2-tier pricing scheme in most government services like airlines, trains etc…just make tourists feel cheated. The feelings among the tourists are that the Vietnamese government does not understand or care what service is. They are obviously still waging a guerrilla warfare against the world. Merchants inflate their prices with tourists and look for every chance to short change them! It wasn’t long into this tour when some of the nicest and well-meaning people in the tour became very angry and leery of the Vietnamese government and its officials. In other tour groups in non-communist countries in Asia, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia etc…I had observed much more relaxed, happier and fun interaction between tourists and local people! There is Vietnamese official statitics that only 10% tourists return to Vietnam for a second visit, compared to 50% in Thailand. Vietnam government and people have to clean up their acts a great deal to make tourists feel welcomed. The first thing that should go is that guerrilla warfare mentality among government officials, us against all those foreign devils, before Vietnam can be a friend with the world! VIET THIET

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At many other tourists’ attractions in Vietnam where foreign tourists are charged 10 times Vietnamese for admission, in the range of US$5 to US$10, . . . . . . On the outside chance you were telling the truth about not knowing the value of the US dollar over there (boy, they must have loved you!), the range of entrance fees for foreigners is about $.75 to $4.00, with most falling in the $1.00 category. The few up near $4.00 are the former presidential palace in Saigon, and the three king’s tombs and the Forbidden City in Hue. And yes, Vietnamese nationals pay less. So what? Doug

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Fully concur. I saw some statistic whereby the Vietnamese communists have arrested some 25,000 people since the close of the conflict most of whom remain in jail or have disappeared off the face of the earth. The statistics on health problems in Vietnam seem to be accurate to some degree since they tend to mirror WHO related data. Does anyone know the reason for the HIV problem in Vietnam and whether it is related to the "Green Monkey" virus in Vietnam – cousin of the African Green monkey of being spread by heroin – needle related issues as to spread of the infection. The situation does not look good at all and since HIV can cause severe immune problems that leaves one open for other infections it would be wise to stay clear locations where such problems exist. Of course there is TB and other endemic diseases on the rise in Vietnam. Thus, a degree of caution is warranted regardless of where you travel in Southeast Asia. While I have long taken a like to Vietnamese food and music having served in country during the war years I will stick to my favorite Vietnamese Restaurant here in the NY metro area (Flushing, Queens County).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Mr. Hakpheng, Laotian people are indeed gentle. It’s the communists, Lao, Cambodian, Chinese or Vietnamese, who are the lowliest, crudest trash who have no respect for anyone or anything! They are just a bunch of animals, given to satisfy their animalistic desires. Nothing is sacred to them! Khmer Rouge and Pathet Laos were well known for raping, torturing, murdering women and children. I had posted in this group a true story by a then 14 year-old girl under Pol Pot’ horrible Khmer Rouge regime, who witnessed her close friends raped, sodomized, tortured then buried live in concentration camp by a bunch of Pol Pot’s soldier not much older then she. She now lives and works for the County of Los Angeles! These Communist savages should be driven from all countries on earth! VIET THIET Sabaydi THanouxay, I am so shock by this language you use. We have many of the young and innocent one here in SCL. We can not use this kind of the language to give them the bad idea. If you have the bad word, you have to use the and this kind of the thing. It is the civilize way in America call as Etiquette language. Hakpheng

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Wrong again, Bucko! It is NOT, I repeat NOT $10!!!!! I’ve been up there more times than I can remember – the most recent about May 28. I’ve had hundreds of clients go there. I’ll find out the exact entrance fee, but it’s something like $1 for foreigners – less for Vietnamese. Doug PS. It may seem like 1,000 steps, escpecially as you near the top, but it’s really about 300.

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I remember distinctly that the admission to go up the 1000 steps to the top of Marble Mountain in Da Nang was US$10 for foreign tourists, which all 40 people in my tour thought excessive, and none would take the tour! The admission for Vietnamese natives was $1. There were 4 policemen seating glumly under a shade at the entrance to go up the mountain and probably many more further up. A Swedish national, the nicest guy in the tour, who bought a lot of souvenirs along the way and gave money to begging children, got very upset and put up a noisy fight when he was shortchanged by a shop selling marble figurines! He was again shortchanged in Hue by a girl selling brass gifts on a tour boat! The government’s 2-tier pricing scheme in most government services like airlines, trains etc…just make tourists feel cheated. The feelings among the tourists are that the Vietnamese government does not understand or care what service is. They are obviously still waging a guerrilla warfare against the world. Merchants inflate their prices with tourists and look for every chance to short change them! It wasn’t long into this tour when some of the nicest and well-meaning people in the tour became very angry and leery of the Vietnamese government and its officials. In other tour groups in non-communist countries in Asia, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia etc…I had observed much more relaxed, happier and fun interaction between tourists and local people! There is Vietnamese official statitics that only 10% tourists return to Vietnam for a second visit, compared to 50% in Thailand. Vietnam government and people have to clean up their acts a great deal to make tourists feel welcomed. The first thing that should go is that guerrilla warfare mentality among government officials, us against all those foreign devils, before Vietnam can be a friend with the world! VIET THIET – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At many other tourists’ attractions in Vietnam where foreign tourists are charged 10 times Vietnamese for admission, in the range of US$5 to US$10, . . . . . . On the outside chance you were telling the truth about not knowing the value of the US dollar over there (boy, they must have loved you!), the range of entrance fees for foreigners is about $.75 to $4.00, with most falling in the $1.00 category. The few up near $4.00 are the former presidential palace in Saigon, and the three king’s tombs and the Forbidden City in Hue. And yes, Vietnamese nationals pay less. So what? Doug

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The $5 toll was what I remember mentioned by the cab driver. However, I was and still am unfamiliar with Vietnamese currencies, so I was unsure of how much changed hands at both stages.

Let me see if I understand you correctly – - You are Vietnamese. You speak Vietnamese. You have many Vietnamese friends & relatives who have taken trips back to Vietnam. You took a trip back yourself and spent at least 2-3 weeks there. You hung out a bit with VCP types. You used a fake accent to make people think you were undercover police. Finally – you don’t know the difference between $5.00 and $.85? At many other tourists’ attractions in Vietnam where foreign tourists are charged 10 times Vietnamese for admission, in the range of US$5 to US$10, . . . . . .

On the outside chance you were telling the truth about not knowing the value of the US dollar over there (boy, they must have loved you!), the range of entrance fees for foreigners is about $.75 to $4.00, with most falling in the $1.00 category. The few up near $4.00 are the former presidential palace in Saigon, and the three king’s tombs and the Forbidden City in Hue. And yes, Vietnamese nationals pay less. So what? Doug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Between Noi Bai and Ha Noi, there is a new bridge whose toll costs all vehicles about $5 each way . . . . . . At about 14,000 VND per US dollar, that would be about 70,000 VND if you were correct. You aren’t, of course, but that should surprise no one. The tolls on that bridge and the specially built airport highway (the toll is for both) are as follows: Car – 12,000 VND Bus (9-30 seats) – 20,000 VND Bus (31-50 seats – 30,000 VND Doug

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Dear Mr. Hakpheng, Laotian people are indeed gentle. It’s the communists, Lao, Cambodian, Chinese or Vietnamese, who are the lowliest, crudest trash who have no respect for anyone or anything! They are just a bunch of animals, given to satisfy their animalistic desires. Nothing is sacred to them! Khmer Rouge and Pathet Laos were well known for raping, torturing, murdering women and children. I had posted in this group a true story by a then 14 year-old girl under Pol Pot’ horrible Khmer Rouge regime, who witnessed her close friends raped, sodomized, tortured then buried live in concentration camp by a bunch of Pol Pot’s soldier not much older then she. She now lives and works for the County of Los Angeles! These Communist savages should be driven from all countries on earth! VIET THIET – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sabaydi THanouxay, I am so shock by this language you use. We have many of the young and innocent one here in SCL. We can not use this kind of the language to give them the bad idea. If you have the bad word, you have to use the and this kind of the thing. It is the civilize way in America call as Etiquette language. Hakpheng

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The $5 toll was what I remember mentioned by the cab driver. However, I was and still am unfamiliar with Vietnamese currencies, so I was unsure of how much changed hands at both stages. While the specific toll amount may been different, or may have been changed, the bribing and cheating scheme was true. In fact, bribing and cheating are the norm is everything in Vietnam. Everyone in Vietnam engage in full time creative career of screwing the Vietnamese government (Laos and Cambodian too I assume) out of its high taxes! At many other tourists’ attractions in Vietnam where foreign tourists are charged 10 times Vietnamese for admission, in the range of US$5 to US$10, I was able to use my thick Hanoi-accented Vietnamese to impress upon the gate keepers that I was an undercover security police on inspection mission. Of course I was allowed free admission and granted a lot of other privileges and perks! I will ask for a thorough, personal inspection of your passionate wife and daughters on the spot next time, dear comrade Thanouxay. Capitalists’ tools work wonder in Communist countries! VIET THIET – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dough, Thank you for updating us with nominal rate for the toll from Hanoi to Noi Bai. I have been travelling tens of times on this route and had never encountered such so-called US$ 5 extorsion as fabricated by this "respectable" Viet Thiet. If my calculation is right, Viet Thiet is a shameless liar and a real trouble maker. On top of it, he was "intelligent" enough to reveal the real purpose of his visit to Mexico and that is to find out some "cheap fuck"… With regard of this kind of traveller, I do strongly think that Laos and its neighbour Viet Nam, better kick out of their respective country as soon as this garbage landed at our airport. sok dee Thanouxay Between Noi Bai and Ha Noi, there is a new bridge whose toll costs all vehicles about $5 each way . . . . . . At about 14,000 VND per US dollar, that would be about 70,000 VND if you were correct. You aren’t, of course, but that should surprise no one. The tolls on that bridge and the specially built airport highway (the toll is for both) are as follows: Car – 12,000 VND Bus (9-30 seats) – 20,000 VND Bus (31-50 seats – 30,000 VND Doug

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It’s true that the VCP keeps their officals’ salaries very low compared to the cost of living, that it’s well known that people cannot live on government wages. They take on government jobs only to use the power and authority to make money on the side. Therefore, everywhere one goes, one has to grease palms. Even government agencies have to bribe one another to conduct business! That’s how corruption are widely accepted in Vietnam! Their poverty and hopelessness among the Hanoi government officials is sometimes heart rending! During my visit to Hanoi a year ago as a tourist, one of the middle-level managers of a state-owned company took the time during his normal work days to show me around Hanoi, introducing me to his family and friends. I was grateful for his friendship and the chance to learn first hand how they suffered during the war, the extremely limited means they presently have to contend with, and how well they manage to care for one another etc… At the end when I had to leave Hanoi, the official made it clear that he expected me to compensate him for his time taken from work, loudly complaining about his expenses while touring Hanoi with me, which made me reduce my level of regards I had for him, his ethics and his family! While I complied with his request for payment, he could have had far more lucrative offers from me as a friend before he made his demand! This was a man who had travelled to many civilized countries to learn business practices, but when one is hungry, one is less likely to have very high regards for ethics! The "BIA OM" (literally translated – hugging beers), that George Moore mentioned, are protitution dens which proliferate everywhere in Vietnam. There is a very serious unemployment problem for women in Vietnam. A government officials even puts it at 90%! The women who do not want to do the hard labor and poor return of growing rice on the ever increasingly scarce farm land, have very few choices. Most of them migrate to the city looking for better life styles, eventually have to resort to prostitution, or the hard work of cleaning hotels, to stay alive. The surplus supply of women turns just about every activity in Vietnam into "om," beer om, coffee om, hair cut om, massage om, facial om, fishing om, beaching om, bath om…as fronts for the prostitutes to ply their trade! These prostitutes and their touts are well known to be not so discreet, fighting noisily among themselves, pulling tourists off motorcycles into their stores… (this actually happened to me and my respectable old highschool teacher in saigon!) Considering that these prostitution dens are just about everywhere in Vietnam, from Hanoi to Saigon, the chance to catch some mysterious diseases via third, fourth, fifth…parties are very high! Official VN government statistics in 2000 puts the known number of prostitutes in the 200,000’s, with 1 out of 5 carrying HIV. The true figures are most likely much higher! Extra medical precautions while visiting Vietnam are highly advised! VIET THIET – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would not even think about trying to change their system. Only the Vietnamese can do that. However, the Vietnamese who have taken up residence in the U.S. and/or who have become citizens seem to adhere to a higher level of ethics than those who reside in Vietnam under the communists. What I find disturbing is that if the corruption has become moreso rampart in Vietnam one might be concerned about the flow of narcotics which has the tendency not only to corrupt the system — it is indicative of just how serious the nature of the corruption can have its impact on the spread of addiction and disease resulting from same. There has to be some reasoning for the massive growth of HIV cases in Vietnam. One might say if they stay clear of the bars and prostitutes one does not have to worry. Such is not the case — people who developed HIV or full blown Aides tend to have no immune system response and therefore they are prone to a wide of disease including TB known to be capable of spreading among humans in Vietnam and to visitors as well. Some people including myself refuse to travel to SF, CA where the issue of public health is so serious one may merely develop a wide range of infections just by talking and/or handling a telephone receiver. When traveling to Vietnam carrying a bottle of antibiotic soap(liquid or soap bars), or wipes just to keep your hands clean. I know some people who have returned from Vietnam who have developed fevers of unknown origin. Reminds me of the days following the return of large numbers of troops in late 1966 with the same problem. One of the problems with most U.S. medical facilities is that there are very few people with backgrounds in tropical medicine which can spell problems for returning tourists seeking medical care. Restaurants in Vietnam do not meet the same health standards of restaurants in the U.S. which must meet health codes and inspections. Carry band aids and tube of triple antibiotic ointment for cuts and abrasions. Of course you can listen to your tourist agent who will tell you everything is just fine in Vietnam and you will dam well know he or she is full of crap. I have traveled extensive in third world countries and have found the following to be true. Please don’t associate understanding the system

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Sleazy sex tour operators like Dog Grease are therefore given the red carpet treatment personally by the VCP politburo!

For those few of you who aren’t already aware – Viet Thiet is a liar. Put up or shut up, liar. Prove what you say or shut up. $1,000 says you can’t. How much are you willing to put up? For once, stop running your foul mouth, surprise me, and show a little backbone. Prove it or shut up. Doug Who is now waiting for the usual obscenity-filled reply which totally avoids addressing my request.

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On top of it, he was "intelligent" enough to reveal the real purpose of his visit to Mexico and that is to find out some "cheap fuck"… sok dee Thanouxay

Sabaydi THanouxay, I am so shock by this language you use. We have many of the young and innocent one here in SCL. We can not use this kind of the language to give them the bad idea. If you have the bad word, you have to use the and this kind of the thing. It is the civilize way in America call as Etiquette language. Hakpheng

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The bribes and extortion money are finely divided up the chain of command of the Vietnamese Commnist Party and government, just like the MAFIA! All the lucrative jobs where the officials can extort / blackmail for money are sold to the highest bidders. Custom jobs at major airports are reported to go for 50 ounces of gold, whereas street/highway patrol jobs for policemen in major cities, where they usually take cash from violators rather than writing tickets, go for 20 to 30 ounces! Flight attendant jobs for Vietnam Air cost 12 ounces….regardless whether they can read or write! My relatives have gone through all these job buying schemes with just about every government agencies in Vietnam! In Vietnam all competitions for jobs and privileges are based on how "red" one is. All college and advanced degrees can be easily purchased from corrupt educators and school administrators. To get jobs, one has to have impecable proletariat and revolutionary family backgrounds, lots of party connections, or one has to pay a lot of money. Vietnam ends up being tp loaded with the most corrupt, the least competent people. This is why Vietnam under the corrupt Communist system will forever be the poorest, most oppressed, most corrupt, sleaziest country on earth! This is the main reason a large percentage of the people fo Vietnam must engage and benefit directly or indirectly from prostitution, drug traffiking and other vices, in discreet ways so as to save face for the Communist Party leadership! The VCP leaders know full well that their meal tickets come from income derived from foreign tourists, who mostly seek the only commodity readily available very cheaply in vietnam: PROSTITUTES! Who ever come to stone-age Communist Vietnam for any other recreation? None is available anyway! Sleazy sex tour operators like Dog Grease are therefore given the red carpet treatment personally by the VCP politburo! VIET THIET – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t you mean to say that the money goes right into the pockets of those "bia om" workers? In fact, the next time you are there, why not ask the border guards directly about where the money goes? The question usually results in huge smiles!! And if you are really good, you can sometimes find the "bia om" just behind the border station! Those border guards are a riot! I wonder if their bosses know what goes on locally? Probably not… Cheers,

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Dough, Thank you for updating us with nominal rate for the toll from Hanoi to Noi Bai. I have been travelling tens of times on this route and had never encountered such so-called US$ 5 extorsion as fabricated by this "respectable" Viet Thiet. If my calculation is right, Viet Thiet is a shameless liar and a real trouble maker. On top of it, he was "intelligent" enough to reveal the real purpose of his visit to Mexico and that is to find out some "cheap fuck"… With regard of this kind of traveller, I do strongly think that Laos and its neighbour Viet Nam, better kick out of their respective country as soon as this garbage landed at our airport. sok dee Thanouxay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Between Noi Bai and Ha Noi, there is a new bridge whose toll costs all vehicles about $5 each way . . . . . . At about 14,000 VND per US dollar, that would be about 70,000 VND if you were correct. You aren’t, of course, but that should surprise no one. The tolls on that bridge and the specially built airport highway (the toll is for both) are as follows: Car – 12,000 VND Bus (9-30 seats) – 20,000 VND Bus (31-50 seats – 30,000 VND Doug

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As this stupid, ignorant, pitiful trash of a man below, who uses a dead man’s name as his screen name, and who cannot read or write English, or Vietnamese for that matter, pretends that he can find faults with Viet Thiet’s writing, he just shows the world the stupid, deceitful nature of the Communists! This desparate man, who woud stoop so low, try so hard, use any sort of trickeries to gain the notoriety and credibility with the people in SCV, just lost it all! This is how a small bunch of of stupid, ignorant, violent savages, calling themselves Communists, headed by Ho Chi Minh, lied, cheated, terrorized, murdered their ways to seize power of Vietnam, then brought the country into isolation, and forced the people to their knees, begging and prostituting to foreigners just for a few cups of rice at the end of the day! EL CHIMPO and his commie cohorts are dumber than dogs! They are also shameless and brazen-faced like a bunch of monkeys. They deserve to be despised by everyone. VIET THIET – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – La.i the^m mo^.t tie^?u tu+? so^`n so^`n cu?a Viet [gian?]cong hoa [hoac cua ngo dinh diem hoac cua nguyen van thieu deu giong nhau]. Tie^?u tu+? na`y cu~ng dda(.t ba`y american-english [ddie^`u na`y kho^ng he^` gi`] nhu+ng muo^’n xua^’t co+` thi` i’t ra cu~ng bie^’t lu+o+.ng su+’c mi`nh cho+, vie^’t dda.i thi` vu+`a xa^’u ho^? cho ca’ nha^n chu’ vu+`a ho^? the.n cho ho^`n ma ngo dinh va nguyen van thieu co’ nhu+~ng thu+’ dde^. tu+? do^’t ma` la.i o^`n a`o the^’ na`y; thie^.t dda’m vgch na`y no’ thua co^.ng sa?n mie^`n Ba(‘c la` mo^.t ddie^`u dda.i phu+o+’c cho da^n ta. Ta va.ch nhu+~ng cho^~ sai tu`m lum ve^` american-english cu?a chu’ cho ma` xem na`y [ta khong correct da^u, ve^` ho?i ma^'y tha^`y o+? lo+'p esl o+? adult school ddo' [tie^?u tu+? ma` so vo+'i Le chino thi` gio^'ng nhu+ con chuo^.t chu` be^n ca.nh con su+ tu+? ddo'. Sau la^`n na`y thi` la(.n ddi chu' ma`y!]: Dda^y nhu+~ng cho^~ sai ta bo trong bracket do: EL CHIMPO repeated [ sai thu nhat --- use of extreme obscenity ](D. M.)in SCV shows him to be a sick, old, twisted little pervert, who would not stop [sai thu hai--- at raping] his own mother! [ sai thu ba: khong biet dung English phrase va` cu' pha'p---- EL must have been severely abused as a child, perhaps sodomized daily by his own stupid, ignorant commie dad, and his despicable, animalistic relatives in Hanoi, such that he continually let his [sai thu ba, chua biet gi ve Freud ma dam viet au, viet sai Psychoanalysis Terminology ------ oedipal complex show! El must be sitting around fantasizing about murdering his dad and raping his mom everyday!] [ chua biet cach su dung tu, dat cau, chuyen y [noi chung trinh do rat so dang ---- With his obscenity-filled posts in SCV, El only acts out his frustration [ chua biet cach dung gioi tu 'preposition' --- at the fact that noone takes him seriously for his shameless commies' boot licking act, hoping to make a few quick dollars off the communists for himself! Of course El will take the short cuts and engage in the oldest profession to get what he wants! EL is just a little common, uneducated, unprincipled trash, despised by both communists and anti-communists alike! VIET THIET [Tom tat: khong du trinh do English composition, ma` da'm vie^'t tie^'ng Anh, chu+a ddu? tri`nh do^. die^~n dda.t tu+ tu+o+?ng Viet ngu, thi` la`m sao da'm ca? gan di 'debate' hay 'chu+?i ' ngu+o+`i kha'c. Chu' ma^`y ne^n la(.n ddi dde^? kho?i xa^'u ca? nha` Vie^.t gian. QUANG TRUNG DAI CO VIET Why I disagreed with Mr World Justice in practically all of his posts, I at least recognize that He tried to be truthfull at least in the

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La.i the^m mo^.t tie^?u tu+? so^`n so^`n cu?a Viet [gian?]cong hoa [hoac cua ngo dinh diem hoac cua nguyen van thieu deu giong nhau]. Tie^?u tu+? na`y cu~ng dda(.t ba`y american-english [ddie^`u na`y kho^ng he^` gi`] nhu+ng muo^’n xua^’t co+` thi` i’t ra cu~ng bie^’t lu+o+.ng su+’c mi`nh cho+, vie^’t dda.i thi` vu+`a xa^’u ho^? cho ca’ nha^n chu’ vu+`a ho^? the.n cho ho^`n ma ngo dinh va nguyen van thieu co’ nhu+~ng thu+’ dde^. tu+? do^’t ma` la.i o^`n a`o the^’ na`y; thie^.t dda’m vgch na`y no’ thua co^.ng sa?n mie^`n Ba(‘c la` mo^.t ddie^`u dda.i phu+o+’c cho da^n ta. Ta va.ch nhu+~ng cho^~ sai tu`m lum ve^` american-english cu?a chu’ cho ma` xem na`y [ta khong correct da^u, ve^` ho?i ma^'y tha^`y o+? lo+'p esl o+? adult school ddo' [tie^?u tu+? ma` so vo+'i Le chino thi` gio^'ng nhu+ con chuo^.t chu` be^n ca.nh con su+ tu+? ddo'. Sau la^`n na`y thi` la(.n ddi chu' ma`y!]: Dda^y nhu+~ng cho^~ sai ta bo trong bracket do: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – EL CHIMPO repeated [ sai thu nhat --- use of extreme obscenity ](D. M.)in SCV shows him to be a sick, old, twisted little pervert, who would not stop [sai thu hai--- at raping] his own mother! [ sai thu ba: khong biet dung English phrase va` cu' pha'p---- EL must have been severely abused as a child, perhaps sodomized daily by his own stupid, ignorant commie dad, and his despicable, animalistic relatives in Hanoi, such that he continually let his [sai thu ba, chua biet gi ve Freud ma dam viet au, viet sai Psychoanalysis Terminology ------ oedipal complex show! El must be sitting around fantasizing about murdering his dad and raping his mom everyday!] [ chua biet cach su dung tu, dat cau, chuyen y [noi chung trinh do rat so dang —- With his obscenity-filled posts in SCV, El only acts out his frustration [ chua biet cach dung gioi tu ‘preposition’ — at the fact that noone takes him seriously for his shameless commies’ boot licking act, hoping to make a few quick dollars off the communists for himself! Of course El will take the short cuts and engage in the oldest profession to get what he wants! EL is just a little common, uneducated, unprincipled trash, despised by both communists and anti-communists alike! VIET THIET [Tom tat: khong du trinh do English composition, ma` da’m vie^’t tie^’ng Anh, chu+a ddu? tri`nh do^. die^~n dda.t tu+ tu+o+?ng Viet ngu, thi` la`m sao da’m ca? gan di ‘debate’ hay ‘chu+?i ‘ ngu+o+`i kha’c. Chu’ ma^`y ne^n la(.n ddi dde^? kho?i xa^’u ca? nha` Vie^.t gian.

QUANG TRUNG DAI CO VIET – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why I disagreed with Mr World Justice in practically all of his posts, I at least recognize that He tried to be truthfull at least in the

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Between Noi Bai and Ha Noi, there is a new bridge whose toll costs all vehicles about $5 each way . . . . . .

At about 14,000 VND per US dollar, that would be about 70,000 VND if you were correct. You aren’t, of course, but that should surprise no one. The tolls on that bridge and the specially built airport highway (the toll is for both) are as follows: Car – 12,000 VND Bus (9-30 seats) – 20,000 VND Bus (31-50 seats – 30,000 VND Doug

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EL CHIMPO repeated use of extreme obscenity (D. M.)in SCV shows him to be a sick, old, twisted little pervert, who would not stop at raping his own mother! EL must have been severely abused as a child, perhaps sodomized daily by his own stupid, ignorant commie dad, and his despicable, animalistic relatives in Hanoi, such that he continually let his oedipal complex show! El must be sitting around fantasizing about murdering his dad and raping his mom everyday! With his obscenity-filled posts in SCV, El only acts out his frustration at the fact that noone takes him seriously for his shameless commies’ boot licking act, hoping to make a few quick dollars off the communists for himself! Of course El will take the short cuts and engage in the oldest profession to get what he wants! EL is just a little common, uneducated, unprincipled trash, despised by both communists and anti-communists alike! VIET THIET – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why I disagreed with Mr World Justice in practically all of his posts, I at least recognize that He tried to be truthfull at least in the

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Why I disagreed with Mr World Justice in practically all of his posts, I at least recognize that He tried to be truthfull at least in the details (the Devils are in the details!) in his posts so He might preserve some credibility with his Anti Communist followers. Mr Vietthiet is a schizophrenic psychopath. On one hand he used sexual innuendos to accuse people he know nothing about of which Mr Reese of conducting sex tours, Mr Justice of various sexual offenses for money or not and El Chino his Bete noire, his Jesus Christ he prayed to everyday of kissing VC asses, are examples! (In a previous post I analysed Mr Vietthiet’s psychpathology as being sexually frustrated. His obsession with Asses pointed to a latent or overt Homosexuality) On the other hand, He claimed to be advisor to the Politburo members of the VCP, travel up-and-down Vietnam insulting the VC or collecting information where to find sex. Now He did it in Mexico as well ! All this pointed to a grave state of self delusion or frustrated Megalomania unsuccessfully controlled by visiting whorehouses! We should put VIETTHOT in the same Category as Veekhung, i.e., sexually repressed old men who use SCV as a Group Therapy medium. Elchino Boat People’s conscience had castrated him so thoroughly that he is now incapable of producing a coherent thought. The poor quality of his posts brought to nought his credibility forcing him to make outlandish claims such as this "advisory" role for the VCP Politburo. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have spent a lot of time in Vietnam on business and have mingled with the top party and government officials. Vietnam is a country corrupt from top to bottom. Corruption, cheating and gouging are everywhere. VIETTHIET has been calling everyone else who even suggested the idea of talking to Hanoi’s officials as pimps and whores, yet VIETTHIET admitted that he did businesses and spent a lot of time in Vietnam with party officials. What a hypocrite! You can guess where I spend all my vacations! VIET THIET PS: Mexican customs (won’t tell you where) even allowed me to fly a beautiful girl, with no passport or any ID, to Cabo San Lucas for a great vacation…That’s how friendly the Mexican law can be if you genuinely try to speak Spanish to them…. What is this? VIETTHIET has been on illegal sex tour in Mexico yet he charged that the entire population of women in Vietnam are either sexually abused or sold as prostitutes by Hanoi. Go to soc.culture.vietnamese and search for all of VIETTHIET’s posts. Everyone can see that VIETTHIET is a double-standard double-face and a sick man. He acted as an anti-communist calling Hanoi as the place where prostitutes are sold by officials. Now he showed the world that he is on illegal (bringing a beautiful girl with no passport and no ID through the border etc.) sex tour in Mexico. Now we all know why he is so familiar with sex tours. He is a big client. World Justice

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Shame on you. . . . again. Doug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The only SEX in this tour was what was burning inside Dog Grease’s old, ugly and horny mother as she cleans the sheets and vacumm the floor of the Mexican resort… VIET THIET PS: Mexican customs (won’t tell you where) even allowed me to fly a beautiful girl, with no passport or any ID, to Cabo San Lucas for a great vacation…That’s how friendly the Mexican law can be if you genuinely try to speak Spanish to them…. What is this? Sounds like some sort of sex tour to me. Shame on you! Doug

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Feeding monkeys does not make one a monkey! PS: Mexican customs (won’t tell you where) even allowed me to fly a beautiful girl, with no passport or any ID, to Cabo San Lucas for a great vacation…That’s how friendly the Mexican law can be if you genuinely try to speak Spanish to them…. What is this? VIETTHIET has been on illegal sex tour in Mexico yet he charged that the entire population of women in Vietnam are either sexually abused or sold as prostitutes by Hanoi.

Ms. Just Tits is still trying to deny that prostitution is the biggest industry in Vietnam! That a very large percentage of businesses and people in Vietnam derive their living directly and indirectly from prostitution! Everywhere one goes, men, women, children, cab drivers, cyclos are all out selling prostitutes! There have been many reports in the party-controlled press about rampant prostitutes performing sex acts on streets and parks in Saigon and Hanoi, even in the Hoa Lo Hilton Museum, sometimes in broad day light! Only Hanoi has the notoriety of an old college professor, Son Do, who would beat, rape and black mail dozens of his young students into prostitution for the wealthy Communist party apparachiks! How many more Son Do have not been caught? Commercial sex aspracticed by Ms. Just Tits is completely different from flying your girl friend to Cabo for a vacation! If Ms. Justtits jumps into bed with her syphyllis-ridden boyfriends, is she taking sex tours? Like street girls in Vietnam, Ms. Just Tits pretends she doesn’t know what sex is, but if someone flashes a few dolar bills, then she is all business…. What a flaming hypocrite she is! Ms. Justtits could not argue on issues so she must attack VIETTHIET with her trashy smear campaign! And she uses a screen name that laugh! Is the ugly, smelly and therefore sexless Ms. Just Tits getting jealous? VIETTHIET

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The only SEX in this tour was what was burning inside Dog Grease’s old, ugly and horny mother as she cleans the sheets and vacumm the floor of the Mexican resort… VIET THIET – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PS: Mexican customs (won’t tell you where) even allowed me to fly a beautiful girl, with no passport or any ID, to Cabo San Lucas for a great vacation…That’s how friendly the Mexican law can be if you genuinely try to speak Spanish to them…. What is this? Sounds like some sort of sex tour to me. Shame on you! Doug

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I have spent a lot of time in Vietnam on business and have mingled with the top party and government officials. Vietnam is a country corrupt from top to bottom. Corruption, cheating and gouging are everywhere.

VIETTHIET has been calling everyone else who even suggested the idea of talking to Hanoi’s officials as pimps and whores, yet VIETTHIET admitted that he did businesses and spent a lot of time in Vietnam with party officials. What a hypocrite! You can guess where I spend all my vacations! VIET THIET PS: Mexican customs (won’t tell you where) even allowed me to fly a beautiful girl, with no passport or any ID, to Cabo San Lucas for a great vacation…That’s how friendly the Mexican law can be if you genuinely try to speak Spanish to them….

What is this? VIETTHIET has been on illegal sex tour in Mexico yet he charged that the entire population of women in Vietnam are either sexually abused or sold as prostitutes by Hanoi. Go to soc.culture.vietnamese and search for all of VIETTHIET’s posts. Everyone can see that VIETTHIET is a double-standard double-face and a sick man. He acted as an anti-communist calling Hanoi as the place where prostitutes are sold by officials. Now he showed the world that he is on illegal (bringing a beautiful girl with no passport and no ID through the border etc.) sex tour in Mexico. Now we all know why he is so familiar with sex tours. He is a big client. World Justice

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PS: Mexican customs (won’t tell you where) even allowed me to fly a beautiful girl, with no passport or any ID, to Cabo San Lucas for a great vacation…That’s how friendly the Mexican law can be if you genuinely try to speak Spanish to them….

What is this? Sounds like some sort of sex tour to me. Shame on you! Doug

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Since one could also be nailed for bribing, I had to tough it out, demanding, in very loud voice, that the officials in charge check out my visa and resolve the problems! They let me go through with sly smiles…

So you didn’t actually have to pay any bribes then, did you! Between Noi Bai and Ha Noi, there is a new bridge whose toll costs all

I don’t think its new – its been there 5 years or so… The variety of taxis I’ve used have never used second hand tickets. (A counterfoil is retained as the ticket is torn.) Not saying it never happens though…. You say: Mexico, compared to Vietnam, is cleaner, safer, less hassled, far more civilized

but then: PS: Mexican customs (won’t tell you where) even allowed me to fly a beautiful girl, with no passport or any ID, to Cabo San Lucas for a great vacation…That’s how friendly the Mexican law can be

It seems you are ranking Mexico ahead of Vietnam on the basis of your ability to corrupt local officials. I think that says more about you and Mexico than it says about Vietnam. Jim

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I was blatantly hassled for bribes many times by Vietnamese Communist Custom officials arriving and departing at both Tan Son Nhut and Noi Bai airport! Since one could also be nailed for bribing, I had to tough it out, demanding, in very loud voice, that the officials in charge check out my visa and resolve the problems! They let me go through with sly smiles… Between Noi Bai and Ha Noi, there is a new bridge whose toll costs all vehicles about $5 each way (roughly a week salary for a teacher – all public utilities are very expensive in vietnam, relative to cost of living, as a policy to gouge tourists!). To prevent cheats, the toll is sold by a ticket booth manned by a few policemen, to be checked and collected by other policeman down the road. The cab drivers, however had worked out arrangements with both the ticket sellers and ticket checkers, to pay $1 at each stage to be able to use an old ticket, saving himself $3 for each passage. I have spent a lot of time in Vietnam on business and have mingled with the top party and government officials. Vietnam is a country corrupt from top to bottom. Corruption, cheating and gouging are everywhere. Eventhough Vietnam was my country of birth, it’s very sad to admit that presently the psychology of cheating, extorting, gouging, stealing and aggression seem to be ingrained in a very large percentage of the population in Vietnam. People in Hanoi tend to be more traditional, even submissive, nice, sweet, helpful, less aggressive. People in South Vietnam are far ruder and more aggresive, and will blatantly try to take advantage of tourists at every turn. Since the criminal laws in Vietnam is very vague, it is safer for tourists to assume that every local government officials can throw them in jail for long term without any legal process, and they are most likely to extort, harm and steal from the people in need! I have traveled to just about every state in Mexico, a poor third world country, doing business and spending long vacations there. In contrast, the people of Mexico, even in poor and rural areas, are far more honest, friendly, upfront and helpful with tourists, even for someone who cannot speak the language. They sell everything at the same prices to locals or tourists. I never had a problem or was cheated in Mexico! NOT EVEN ONCE in my hundreds of trips to Mexico! Unlike Vietnam whose Communist government sets higher prices for tourists and actively forces the tourist-related services to gouge and cheat tourists by imposing high taxes…. Mexico, compared to Vietnam, is cleaner, safer, less hassled, far more civilized and fun for tourists. Mexico with clean beaches, warm water, good food, honest, fun and friendly people, low crimes, large varieties of arts, crafts, jewelry, reasonable prices, great parties, and many water sports, great big game fishing ( Vietnamese tunas only grow to 12 inch maximum before they are dynamited out of the water…) is much better place to do business or to vacation. My top Mexico vacation spots : Cancun, Isla Cozumel, Acapulco, Cabo San Lucas, Guadalajara, Puerta Vallarta, Ixtapa, Ensenada…. You can guess where I spend all my vacations! VIET THIET PS: Mexican customs (won’t tell you where) even allowed me to fly a beautiful girl, with no passport or any ID, to Cabo San Lucas for a great vacation…That’s how friendly the Mexican law can be if you genuinely try to speak Spanish to them…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It may be old information; but, my wife and I were shaken down by customs guards at Tan Son Nyut Airport. And it was very subtle. It turned into a very vocal argument concerning the amount of the bribe. The price went down from $50 to $20. Of course, the shakedown at the Hanoi Airport was far more subtle.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rods » Light Cahill Hatch in PA

Light Cahill Hatch in PA

Question:

"Walt Winter" wrote… Are you planning on stopping by Penns?

Probably; I figure my casting "technique" will give the guys something to laugh at. Timothy Juvenal For years my fly-casting technique was compared … to an old lady fighting off a bee with a broom handle. -Patrick F. McManus

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ok, ya got me stumped. which book has all the cool flyfishing quotes in it? –walt…. whose own casting style will have them guffawing uncontrollably…. "Walt Winter" wrote… Are you planning on stopping by Penns? Probably; I figure my casting "technique" will give the guys something to laugh at. Timothy Juvenal For years my fly-casting technique was compared … to an old lady fighting off a bee with a broom handle. -Patrick F. McManus

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"Walt Winter" wrote… ok, ya got me stumped. which book has all the cool flyfishing quotes

in it? Gotta bunch of ‘em from various female acquaintances. "Quotable Fisherman" by Nick Lyons, "Gone Fishin’" by Marc Anello, "Gone Fishing!" by Anna Nicholas, etc. Not sure why I’m always getting these. But then, I’m not sure of anything regarding females. Timothy Juvenal I know the joy of fishes In the river Through my own joy As I go walking Along the river -Chuang Tzu

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thankee tim…. -ww – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Walt Winter" wrote… ok, ya got me stumped. which book has all the cool flyfishing quotes in it? Gotta bunch of ‘em from various female acquaintances. "Quotable Fisherman" by Nick Lyons, "Gone Fishin’" by Marc Anello, "Gone Fishing!" by Anna Nicholas, etc. Not sure why I’m always getting these. But then, I’m not sure of anything regarding females. Timothy Juvenal I know the joy of fishes In the river Through my own joy As I go walking Along the river -Chuang Tzu

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"Walt Winter" wrote… Are you planning on stopping by Penns? Probably; I figure my casting "technique" will give the guys something to laugh at. Timothy Juvenal For years my fly-casting technique was compared … to an old lady fighting off a bee with a broom handle. -Patrick F. McManus

Some act and talk as though casting were the entire art of Fly-fishing, and grade an angler solely by the distance he can cover with his flies. This is a great mistake and pernicious in it’s influence. Casting is but a method of placing a fly before the trout without alarming it, and within its reach. It is merely placing food before a guest. The selection of such food as will suit, and so serving it as to please a fastidious and fickle taste, still remain indispensably necessary to induce its acceptance. - Henry P. Wells, "Fly-Rods and Fly-Tackle", 1885 — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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… - Henry P. Wells, "Fly-Rods and Fly-Tackle", 1885

While there’s much truth in the quote posted, how fitting that it was posted by an inept, ham-handed, yuppie-come-lately Sandra Bernhardt look-alike who ain’t ever learned to cast a lick. — Ken Fortenberry- no leeches, but thanks anyway

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Some act and talk as though casting were the entire art of Fly-fishing, and grade an angler solely by the distance he can cover with his flies. This is a great mistake and pernicious in it’s influence. Casting is but a method of placing a fly before the trout without alarming it, and within its reach. It is merely placing food before a guest. The selection of such food as will suit, and so serving it as to please a fastidious and fickle taste, still remain indispensably necessary to induce its acceptance. – Henry P. Wells, "Fly-Rods and Fly-Tackle", 1885 visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

HEAR! HEAR! Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine! —– Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web —– http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts

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"rw" wrote… Some act and talk as though casting were the entire art of Fly-fishing, and grade an angler solely by the distance he can cover with his flies. This is a great mistake and pernicious in it’s influence. - Henry P. Wells, "Fly-Rods and Fly-Tackle", 1885

I think I’m going to need to memorize this quote. 8^) My buddy is really a fine fly-caster: I’ll show him some old rod, and he’ll take it out to parking lot, strip line off the reel and coil it into his hand, and with two strokes of the rod have 50 or 60 feet out, just as pretty as you please. For the life of me I can’t figure out how he does it. I’d have to have Joan Wulff blindfold me and call me "Grasshopper" before I’d even get close. Timothy Juvenal And when white moths were on the wing, And moth-like stars were flickering out, I dropped the berry in a stream And caught a little silver trout. -William Butler Yeats

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"rw" quotes some guy from long ago: "Casting is but a method of placing a fly before the trout without alarming it, and within its reach. It is merely placing food before a guest."

Casting is a lot more to me than simply placing food before a fish. The beauty of a tight, smooth, effortless cast is a pleasure unto itself. It’s no secret that I aspire to be a better caster–but little of that aspiration is based on a desire to catch more fish. –Steve

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… - Henry P. Wells, "Fly-Rods and Fly-Tackle", 1885 While there’s much truth in the quote posted, how fitting that it was posted by an inept, ham-handed, yuppie-come-lately Sandra Bernhardt look-alike who ain’t ever learned to cast a lick.

You’ve seen me catch two fish, Ken. In two different states. You even got a photo of one, but I never saw it. I suspect you forgot to take the lens cap off. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Naw, he looks more like Merril Streep when he’s in drag! Wayne (wondering if the NC cabin at the Clave has room for a chiffon gown with off-the-shoulder sleeves) to fish is human….to release Divine! —– Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web —– http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts

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Wayne (wondering if the NC cabin at the Clave has room for a chiffon gown with off-the-shoulder sleeves)

I propose that we temporarily suspend the usenet injunction against posting binaries……I GOTTA see this! Wolfgang um…….what would that be, about a 26 slim?

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but little of that aspiration is based on a desire to catch more fish.

I thought that was a bonus to the adventure. Drew

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Wayne (wondering if the NC cabin at the Clave has room for a chiffon gown with off-the-shoulder sleeves)

……tell Tom that I will stop by for the banner,well, sometime…. suffering scary visual, your Clavemeister

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Walt, I’ve seen you cast – it’s not funny….(snicker) john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, ya got me stumped. which book has all the cool flyfishing quotes in it? –walt…. whose own casting style will have them guffawing uncontrollably…. "Walt Winter" wrote… Are you planning on stopping by Penns? Probably; I figure my casting "technique" will give the guys something to laugh at. Timothy Juvenal For years my fly-casting technique was compared … to an old lady fighting off a bee with a broom handle. -Patrick F. McManus — Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://www.amazon.com/shops/blueridgebooks

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Walt, I’ve seen you cast – it’s not funny….(snicker)

I’ve seen him catch fish. That wasn’t funny either. Wolfgang funny how some people have the uncanny ability to steer a guy to every dead hole in a river

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Walt, I’ve seen you cast – it’s not funny….(snicker) I’ve seen him catch fish. That wasn’t funny either. Wolfgang funny how some people have the uncanny ability to steer a guy to every dead hole in a river

or the ones full of suckers <BSEG BTW, I have some of the photos back – want a few scans? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Walt, I’ve seen you cast – it’s not funny….(snicker) I’ve seen him catch fish. That wasn’t funny either. Wolfgang funny how some people have the uncanny ability to steer a guy to every dead hole in a river or the ones full of suckers <BSEG

Ah yes. Well, there’s the suckers hiding under the banks, and there’s them what stands on ‘em. :) BTW, I have some of the photos back – want a few scans?

Hell yes, send all of them! Wolfgang

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That’s right. How many different types of casts you know is important too.

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And when white moths were on the wing, And moth-like stars were flickering out, I dropped the berry in a stream And caught a little silver trout.

Yeah, right, you dropped a Power Bait, more like it….

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wanna see a picture of Wolf naked? john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Walt, I’ve seen you cast – it’s not funny….(snicker) I’ve seen him catch fish. That wasn’t funny either. Wolfgang funny how some people have the uncanny ability to steer a guy to every dead hole in a river or the ones full of suckers <BSEG BTW, I have some of the photos back – want a few scans? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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wanna see a picture of Wolf naked? john

John, its strange you would offer a photo like that here, stranger still, you have a photo like that! To head off the questions which are sure to follow your post, is it electronically ENHANCED??!! Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine! —– Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web —– http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts

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"Jeff Connelly" wrote … Yeah, right, you dropped a Power Bait, more like it….

Oh, it’s O.K.; I stuck a feather in it first. 8^) Timothy Juvenal Time is but the stream I go a-fishing in. -Henry David Thoreau

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Tim, Are you planning on stopping by Penns? –Walt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Light Cahills were hatching on the Neshaminy Creek in Southeastern PA on Monday evening. It was a decent hatch, and fish were rising actively to it. The water temperature was 65 degrees, air temp was 55 on the ride home. The air and water temps have been all over the place this year; it was hot, with air temps in the 90’s and water temps around 75 degrees last week. So the timing of hatches may be a little off this year. Caught numerous rock bass, including some of the bigger ones I’ve seen lately, and a couple of redbreast sunfish using a sulphur with a 5x tippet and #6 line on an old 9′ bamboo rod. Saw a monster leap completely out of the water, between the branches of a blow-down over an undercut bank. Fished that fly over under and around that blowdown until the owls said it was time to go; never saw another sign of that fish. Not positive what it was, but it’s belly was more of a goldish color, not silver like a smallmouth, so I’m thinking a stocked brown. There were still some tan caddis about, and also saw a small dark brown mayfly, but wasn’t able to identify it. At any rate, folks heading to Penn’s creek next week might want to bring some light colored sulphur & cahill imitations in #12 and #14. Timothy Juvenal Yet fish there be, that neither hook nor line Nor snare, nor net, nor engine can make thine. -John Bunyan

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Light Cahills were hatching on the Neshaminy Creek in Southeastern PA on Monday evening. It was a decent hatch, and fish were rising actively to it. The water temperature was 65 degrees, air temp was 55 on the ride home. The air and water temps have been all over the place this year; it was hot, with air temps in the 90’s and water temps around 75 degrees last week. So the timing of hatches may be a little off this year. Caught numerous rock bass, including some of the bigger ones I’ve seen lately, and a couple of redbreast sunfish using a sulphur with a 5x tippet and #6 line on an old 9′ bamboo rod. Saw a monster leap completely out of the water, between the branches of a blow-down over an undercut bank. Fished that fly over under and around that blowdown until the owls said it was time to go; never saw another sign of that fish. Not positive what it was, but it’s belly was more of a goldish color, not silver like a smallmouth, so I’m thinking a stocked brown. There were still some tan caddis about, and also saw a small dark brown mayfly, but wasn’t able to identify it. At any rate, folks heading to Penn’s creek next week might want to bring some light colored sulphur & cahill imitations in #12 and #14. Timothy Juvenal Yet fish there be, that neither hook nor line Nor snare, nor net, nor engine can make thine. -John Bunyan

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Gear » Olympia fishing

Olympia fishing

Question:

I am traveling to Olympia to celebrate a friends birthday. Is there anything happening this time of year close to town. He mentioned that there is a small river called the Deschutes (not to be confused with the more famous Oregon river), that has some cutts and rainbows. I was just wondering if I should bother flying with all the gear to fish a morning there. Thanks.

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I don’t know a darn thing about Washington fishing but I do know it is better to bring some gear and not need it than to not bring the gear and then find out you could use it. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas

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Walt, I do not know anything about the Deschutes near Olympia, but do know they do have about 2 or 3 rivers that are good for steelhead fishing within an hour so South of Olympia. Bring the gear! Luckyboy

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<among other things I don’t know a darn thing about Washington fishing but I do know it is better to bring some gear and not need it than to not bring the gear and then find out you could use it.

That explains all that gear you brought to Kansas, eh?

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Its been about 10years since I fished the Deschutes near the brewery in Olympia (my sister-in-law used to live in Lacey and I fished the river whenever we visited) so I don’t know the current situation. However, it used to be decent fishing thru the golf course for searun cuts, the occaisonal steelhead and I even once caught a silver. Its a fairly small stream and definately urban conditions, but it beats sitting around with inlaws. Bob Weinberger

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am traveling to Olympia to celebrate a friends birthday. Is there anything happening this time of year close to town. He mentioned that there is a small river called the Deschutes (not to be confused with the more famous Oregon river), that has some cutts and rainbows. I was just wondering if I should bother flying with all the gear to fish a morning there. Thanks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got off the phone with a fly shop in town that reported decent fishing for cutts in the Deschutes with some fish being taken on dries when the sun comes out. I am definately bringing the gear. Besides, fly fishing is the best cure I know after a long night with an old friend and some single malt. Thanks for convincing me. Walt (who is easily convinced)

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you might want to think about fishing the saltwater that surrounds the area. there should be some sea-run cutts around, and even some resident silver salmon (especially north around tacoma). chris

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He mentioned that there is a small river called the Deschutes (not to be confused with the more famous Oregon river), that has some cutts and rainbows.

Walt, Here’s a webpage that’ll help out for the regs for the Deschutes River in Washington state: http://www.wa.gov/wdfw/fish/regs/fishregs.htm Sorry I can’t be of more help. I’ve never been down that way to cast a line. If you do fish, I’d love to read a report! Fish on, my friend. Danny McMillin — Danny McMillin — Remove XX from email address to reduce spam.

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That explains all that gear you brought to Kansas, eh?

Naw all the gear I took to Kansas is my personal crusade to ensure full employment for the makers of fine fly rods and reels as well as the dealers who sell them. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Tarpon Destinations

Tarpon Destinations

Question:

I’m looking for recommendations for Tarpon fly fishing in mid December.

Belize. Tarpon there aren’t huge (to around 100# mostly) but are plentiful. I like the Ambergris Caye area, but they got hit pretty hard by a hurricane this fall so you want to make sure they’ve got everything back up and running. — Charlie…

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I’m looking for recommendations for Tarpon fly fishing in mid December. Glen

I’ve fished Belize for Tarpon and had a great time, never caught one but did get a Permit and lots of Bone fish. The area that I would recommend is the Florida Keys. Talk to the people at Florida Keys Outfitters at: 1-305-664-5423 This is Sandy Moret’s school and FF shop. They have the top guides… Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.

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I’m looking for recommendations for Tarpon fly fishing in mid December. Glen

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Flyline Weight vs. Line Strength (#'s)

Flyline Weight vs. Line Strength (#'s)

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What is the relationship between flyline weight and weight carrying capacity (eg, lbs)?

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Jtfunai: <<What is the relationship between flyline weight and weight carrying capacity (eg, lbs)? None, although a 1 wt line might be easier to "break" than an 8 wt. I have never heard of anyone breaking their line on *anything*. The tippet is the first thing to break. Dave L.

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What is the relationship between flyline weight and weight carrying capacity (eg, lbs)?

There basically is no real relationship. The breaking strain of the fly-line core is the main criterion here, and this is far higher than is likely ever to be broken by a fish, assuming it is not damaged. The weight of a fly-line is primarily determined by its coating, irrespective of the core diameter, which is basically a plastic full of glass bubbles in the case of a floater, and with lead or other powder in the case of a sinker. The core of the line is invariably a synthetic such as Terylene or similar, and may vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, as does the coating. The "breaking strain" of a fly-line is basically irrelevant, and is seldom given by the manufacturer. I remember seeing a level floating line some years ago where the B.S. was given, as 60 lbs, but have not seen any such data recently. TL MC

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Thanks Dave. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jtfunai: <<What is the relationship between flyline weight and weight carrying capacity (eg, lbs)? None, although a 1 wt line might be easier to "break" than an 8 wt. I have never heard of anyone breaking their line on *anything*. The tippet is the first thing to break. Dave L.

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Thanks Mike. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the relationship between flyline weight and weight carrying capacity (eg, lbs)? There basically is no real relationship. The breaking strain of the fly-line core is the main criterion here, and this is far higher than is likely ever to be broken by a fish, assuming it is not damaged. The weight of a fly-line is primarily determined by its coating, irrespective of the core diameter, which is basically a plastic full of glass bubbles in the case of a floater, and with lead or other powder in the case of a sinker. The core of the line is invariably a synthetic such as Terylene or similar, and may vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, as does the coating. The "breaking strain" of a fly-line is basically irrelevant, and is seldom given by the manufacturer. I remember seeing a level floating line some years ago where the B.S. was given, as 60 lbs, but have not seen any such data recently. TL MC

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I agree with the other two posts with regards to weight of quarry and breaking strength of the line. There are to many factors that would determine the breaking strength of the line while being fished. Such as the rod and tippet being used. The tippet will usually break before the rod and the rod before the line. With the shock absorbing capabilities of the rod and the leader or tippet it is hard to imagine the line ever breaking on a fish unless it had been cut on something. I however just broke a Rio 9/10/11 Spey line on a snag in the Thompson River. I was never able to see what it was snagged on but it must have been sharp. Line weight really has no correlation with the weight of fish. Although you would not want to use a small diameter line such as a one weight for Tarpon! Before you buy.

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There is no relationship as far as I know. Traditional fly lines have a dacron core of only 20-35lb breaking strain (light lines with the thinner dacron) – of course this is plenty for normal fishing conditions. If the lines are old and cracked the dacron can deteriorate reducing the breaking strain. I know a couple of people who have broken the line when using 10kg tippet on tuna – one was a heavily used old Cortland, the other an Airflo (when they were at their worst). I broke a 3M wet cell IV once in Fiji after snagging it on the reef – it seemed like 80lb!! Some of the newest lines with braided monofilament may be stronger. Cheers John Knight Sydney FlyRodders’

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What is the relationship between flyline weight and weight carrying capacity (eg, lbs)?

Hi JF, I think that lines #4, 5, 6 and 7 are built up on a 20# braided dacron core. #8 and larger are built on a 30# braided dacron core. I guess the new #0, 1 and 2 lines are on something smaller in diameter than 20#? This is real evident when you are trying to pull 30# backing or cheap 20# backing up inside the core of a #6 line to make a needle nail knot.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Flyfishing Pram Wanted

Flyfishing Pram Wanted

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Im looking for website’s and any other information on the purchase of an 8 foot Pram for Flyfishing. Any help or advice is greatly appreciated. Tight Lines, Ernest V

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There is a company called Spring Creek on Bainbridge Island who sells an 8′ pram which is the best I’ve seen. 49" beam 16" freeboard, fiberglass, 65#. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Im looking for website’s and any other information on the purchase of an 8 foot Pram for Flyfishing. Any help or advice is greatly appreciated. Tight Lines, Ernest V

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rod » St. Croix Imperial

St. Croix Imperial

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My fisrt fly rod was (and still is) a St. Croix Imperial 4-piece 8/9 weight. I think that this rod is one of best kept secrets in the fly fishing community. It casts very well and I have used it for steelhead, medium saltwater, and bass. I have have a couple of very experienced fishermen spontaneously comment "nice rod" after casting it (one of them was a guide who next showed me how to cast the entire line without double hauling). I recommend the 4-piece because it is easier to transport and comes with an aluminum tube. I have since "upgraded" to a very fast rod although I have not yet decided that my more expensive rod is more pleasant to fish with.

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Right on Bert, St Croix makes a helluva rod for the money. I purchased last year the Imperial 4 pc 5/6 rod for my official travel rod. Spent all that money on top o’ the line rods only to discover I could have spent a fraction and had just as much fun! BTW, I have a Sage 4 piece, 6 wt RPL rod for sale if anyone is interested. $250, you pay the shipping. Excellent condition, aluminum tube. (too fast for me) — Frank Church Elkhart, IN

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Anyone have any feedback regarding this rod in 9"0", 6/7 wt?

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I think the Imperial rods are a great deal. The rod you are asking about is medium action and very smooth casting. — "One Fish is Worth a Thousand Lies" http://Flyfish.Com

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The first rod I ever bought. I think St Croix has been making rods as long as anyone,many for sold under other brands like Orvis. I will still us it on windy days over my Scott or Loomis.

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Yeah, I had one. It broke in half on me landing a medium sized trout, and my fathers broke the same weekend. Sunland sports in La Cananda, CA (point of purchase) sent them back and St. Croix replaced them. Haven’t used them since. Bought a Sage and am very happy.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Reel » beginner: suggestions on line and reel

beginner: suggestions on line and reel

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I’m going to try fly fishing for the first time this year. I’ve been fishing with traditional spinning tackle for 30 years but finally am going to take the plunge. I recieved a Berkley Onyx Select #6/7 8′6" graphite rod as a Christmas gift but yet have to purchace a reel, lines, leader backing etc.. Primarily since most of the fishing in my area is in lakes I’d like any suggestions as what might be a good way to start. I’d like to get something suitable to the rod. Rainbow trout, smallmouth bass, goldeye and panfish would be my target species primarily. My budget isn’t large but I’d like to put more emphasis on a good line and not on the reel. Basically the best bang for the buck. I’m open to all suggestions from the vast experience of you seasoned fly fisherman. Thanks in advance, Thane Maddaford Manitoba, Canada

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<snip My budget isn’t large but I’d like to put more emphasis on a good line and not on the reel. Basically the best bang for the buck.

<snip Hi Thane, Sounds like the rod you have will be fine for the lake fishing you describe. You will probably want to have at least two fly lines so that you can effectively fish varying depths. You will definitely want a floating line first – this goes without saying. As for brand, take your pick…SA or Cortland, they’re both excellent. The tougher question would be which type of sinking line you need. We typically recommend full-sinking as opposed to sink-tip lines in lakes, as the full-sink will allow you to more successfully detect subtle takes. I’m going to suggest a Type II Uniform Sink from Scientific Anglers. A #II sink rate is relatively slow which will allow you to fish in the kind of waters most fly fishers love best – shallow and weedy with lots-o’-bugs. If you do need the line to reach greater depths, simply wait longer before moving the fly. You won’t get in as many casts in a day, but at least you have some versatility built-in. If you do eventually go to a system with more sinking lines, a common list might be as follows: Floater Intermediate Type II Type IV Another line we really like is the new "Stillwater" line from SA. It is essentially a 90′ leader. It is a mono-core line which is coated with SA’s proprietary "slime-line" coating. It is a clear line that sinks at a rate somewhere between an intermediate and a type II. This is about the only sinking line I use anymore (unless I’m dredging a very deep lake for some reason). It is awesome along the weed beds during a damsel emergence! As for the reel…there’s lots in the sub $100 category – they seem to get better every year. Orvis, SA, Cortland, etc. etc… I hope this helps, Alan. Alan Barnard Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, Ca. WWW Fly Tyer: http://www.ns.net/~barnard

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If you really want `bang for the buck’ and are starting out, get a Cortland 333 flyline and their basic Rimfly or Crown II reel. (I think these run about $35-$40) If you want to spend a little more on the reel, their LTD with the disc drag is a great value at about $70. There’s a lot of stuff out there, but they have a good reputation and offer good values.

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I have not tried you rod. Suggest you take it into a good flyshop and have them fit it with line and reel. You will probably need a full floating line and some form of sinking line; but ask the local experts.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Common/regional fish names

Common/regional fish names

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: The caddis fly is of the order Trichoptera. The May fly is of the order : Ephemeroptera. They aint the same bug. So somebody better get his story : straight. Of course they are different bugs…and these are brachycentrus. They are ALSO Grannoms, Sedges, Little Brown Buggies, Mothies etc. etc. The fact is, the hatch does happen in May. Therefore, for the locals to call ‘em the may-flies is ok by me…the biologist was probably also the barber who is also the sherrif on friday nights. Tim Walker

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Absolutely correct. It is primarily a communication/context issue, and we should be intelligent and flexible enough to adapt. This leads to an adaptation of an old Stve Martin joke, which might go like this: Up in Canada, "Pickerel" means "Walleye". "Brewskie" means "Beer". Those darn canucks have a different word for ust about everything! (and in Quebec, they call walleye/pickerel – dore – pronounced door-ray!) : — : # Forestry Canada # : # Petawawa National Forestry Institute Voice: (613)-589-3033 # : # Box 2000, Chalk River, Ontario FAX: (613)-589-2275 # : # K0J 1J0 CANADA # — | Bob Lundy | | Mississauga, ON, Canada |

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The Stripped Bass is only known as "Rockfish" in the Cheasapeak bay. Once they enter the Atlantic they mysteriously become Stripped Bass. It appears that they are in fact actually making it into the Atlantic again now after the Rockfish moritorium of a few years ago. — _______ o | Gone fish’n in KoKoMo |_/ —— o | Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer

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Hey, they also call ‘em "waugers" here…more confusing is the "striper" (white bass), rockfish (imported saltwater striper), and hybrids (cross ‘tween white bass and rockfish)…

Just to throw more fuel on the fire, "rockfish" is the proper name for a common class of deep-ocean saltwater fish. "Rockfish" referring to saltwater striped bass is a regional name used in the NE U.S. True rockfish are often called rock cod, even though they’re not cod… Hey did I tell you about the rainbow trout not really being a trout yet?

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Just to make things more confusing, we now have a hybrid species that’s a cross between a walleye and a sauger. It’s called a "saugeye" and it’s becoming a very popular sport fish here in Oklahoma.

Hey, they also call ‘em "waugers" here…more confusing is the "striper" (white bass), rockfish (imported saltwater striper), and hybrids (cross ‘tween white bass and rockfish)… Mac McDougald * Any opinions expressed herein are The Photography Center * not necessarily (actually, are UNIV of TN, Knoxville * almost CERTAINLY NOT) those of UTK. (615-974-3449) * than they’ve ever been before."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Path: darkside!constellation!osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!moe.ksu .ksu.e du!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!p nfi!sj oyce Organization: Canadian Forest Service – Petawawa National Forestry Institute Distribution: rec Lines: 44 By far, a much bigger problem is fish misidentification, and misinformation in general. When we argue over pickerel/walleye, at least we are referring to the same tasty, toothy fish. I came across some ice fishermen a few years ago with a pile of fingerling lake trout on the ice and asked them how the fishing was: "No lakers, but a few o’ dem speckles inna some margerine will be damn good". (he thought they were speckled trout or brook trout which grow to a smaller size). Another time I came across a guy fishing for walleye in Alberta. He remarked that he had caught "some of those f*ing dark ones" and tossed them on the bank. They were sauger which are just as tasty. I’m off to go pickerel fishing. oops I mean walleye. Cheers, SPJ

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Here in colorado, around the beginning of may, the caddis hatch in blizzards. Tan snow. Anyway, the locals say the "May Flies" have hatched. Last year, the Glenwood Post had a biologist on page one who said thet "These are definately mayflies and NOT caddis, as some people beleive." I about had a seizure. Any flyfisherman worth his 5X knows a caddis, on the wing even. But, the local name and affection is kinda cute, so i’m not too smug and i think i know when to call ‘em mayflies too… Tim Walker

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Path: darkside!constellation!convex!insosf1.infonet.net!yeshua.marcam.com!news.k ei.com !eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio- state. edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!twalker Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Distribution: rec Lines: 12 Here in colorado, around the beginning of may, the caddis hatch in blizzards. Tan snow. Anyway, the locals say the "May Flies" have hatched. Last year, the Glenwood Post had a biologist on page one who said thet "These are definately mayflies and NOT caddis, as some people beleive." I about had a seizure. Any flyfisherman worth his 5X knows a caddis, on the wing even. But, the local name and affection is kinda cute, so i’m not too smug and i think i know when to call ‘em mayflies too… Tim Walker

The caddis fly is of the order Trichoptera. The May fly is of the order Ephemeroptera. They aint the same bug. So somebody better get his story straight. Richard

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It seems a bit ridiculous to be having arguments about common names of fish when they are just that; "common names". As such, they are regional by nature, language specific, and vary widely across the country and across borders (i.e. Walleye, Pickerel, Dore, walleyed pike, yellow pickerel etc.). You can find "official" literature in different areas that list different common names for exactly the same fish. They not only vary by region, they vary sometimes according to fish size or life stage (Chinook, King, Spring, Tyee). They can even vary according to how the fish is caught or marketed (Lake Herring, Ciscoe, Tulibee). And I’ve also noticed the uglier the fish is, the more common names it will have (Ling, Burbot, Eelpout, Lawyer, freshwater cod,…snake?). If you want an unabiguous label for a fish species, you have to use the latin or scientific name. To me, common names have never been a problem. Just learn as much as you can about fish species in the areas you fish, and the common names in those areas. I think there can be some confusion if the same common name refers to a different fish in different areas but that’s rare. When you ask the locals where the fish are biting, you will get a lot farther by using the local fish names! . By far, a much bigger problem is fish misidentification, and misinformation in general. When we argue over pickerel/walleye, at least we are referring to the same tasty, toothy fish. I came across some ice fishermen a few years ago with a pile of fingerling lake trout on the ice and asked them how the fishing was: "No lakers, but a few o’ dem speckles inna some margerine will be damn good". (he thought they were speckled trout or brook trout which grow to a smaller size). Another time I came across a guy fishing for walleye in Alberta. He remarked that he had caught "some of those f*ing dark ones" and tossed them on the bank. They were sauger which are just as tasty. I’m off to go pickerel fishing. oops I mean walleye. Cheers, SPJ — # Forestry Canada # # Petawawa National Forestry Institute Voice: (613)-589-3033 # # Box 2000, Chalk River, Ontario FAX: (613)-589-2275 # # K0J 1J0 CANADA #

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