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Well, Fang Glow.. JF IS CHAMELEON:         can joe himself         chase felon jim         chinese flo jam         flame johns ice         half mice jones Ano more, much much more here: http://www.ssynth.co.uk/~gay/cgi-bin/nph-anag?line=JF+IS+CHAMELEON&wo… Herman A recent political anagram led me to wonder about what gems might be found in the name of our esteemed fellowship here, so….. So……what can you do with JF IS CHAMELEON? Flogwang

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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A recent political anagram led me to wonder about what gems might be found in the name of our esteemed fellowship here, so…..

So……what can you do with JF IS CHAMELEON? Flogwang

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The only sports are mountain climbing, auto racing and bull fighting.  All the rest are games according to EH.  fwiw Dave L.

when did ernie harrison say that? walt — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Salmon Fly writes: (snip) From then on it’s been 22 dancers and a couple of zebras and It’s rather funny to watch. But’ it’s not a sport. The only sports are mountain climbing, auto racing and bull fighting.  All the rest are games according to EH.  fwiw Dave L.

Auto Racing. Now there is the all american sport. It Loud, Senseless and wastes fossil fuels. It doesn’t get any more american than that.

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I thought the officials on the field signaled the play to be a completed catch. Isn’t the rule that in the last 2 minutes of a 1/2 or the game, only the ‘upstairs re-play reviewers’ can call for a time out for a replay?

yup. and funny how the most "inconclusive" (it was a gd clean catch) replay of the year gets overturned…. like i said, FIX! WALT — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Auto Racing. Now there is the all american sport. It Loud, Senseless and wastes fossil fuels. It doesn’t get any more american than that.

You’ve never fished Lake of the Ozarks, have you? Opt out == cop-out. What’s so hard to understand?

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go vikings, they are like the steelhead runs on lake superiors north shore, slowly going downhill     tony of mn

I hear ya tony.  I’m not a vikes fan, but I really wanted them to go this year.  They deserved to go last year, but got screwed by those flash-in-the-pan falcons that ruined the superbowl. — Levi "who’s counting the days to the superbowl, even if waldo does think it’s fixed." Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.                                                         — Dave Barry

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Would impeachment work?  It wasn’t effective on Clinton, but then Jerry Jones doesn’t have perfect hair.

Jimmy Johnson had perfect hair, but it didn’t do him any good. Tom Landry had no hair so he wore a hat, but it didn’t help. He’s gone. I hate the frigging Cowboys. I saw Any Given Sunday today. Definitely worth the price of a ticket, even if the script was formulaic. Stone really knows the the technique of movie making. One funny thing was that the NFL refused to cooperate with Stone so he had to make up all the names of the football teams. They all sounded like the names of condoms. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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go vikings, they are like the steelhead runs on lake superiors north shore, slowly going downhill    tony of mn

        only on roff:  a haiku written about a losing football team. how good is that? wayno

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Snipped for no real reason…. r, no quandry for me, everyone knows i drink busch, oh, ummm, guess i’ll have to switch to pabst

Someone actually READS my stuff?  Sorry, I basically just ramble on in my own little world…..I thought I’d already made most killfiles…. <G R

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school quarterback being booed by his pastor. The NFL no longer generates this kind of interest in the game. Big Dale

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Salmon Fly writes: Auto Racing. Now there is the all american sport. It Loud, Senseless and wastes fossil fuels. It doesn’t get any more american than that.

When EH said that, he wasn’t speaking of American racing, but of European and international. Dave L.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt Walt – I’m with ya 100% on replays plus I’ll go further and ban timeouts and plays called in from the sidelines.  Let the players on the field decide the outcome of a game – that’s where the drama is. Do you want to see a quarterback disect a defence?  A linebacker corps panic a QB into jelly?  Or watch a coach think or a ref peer into a monitor?   Nothing worse than watching an offence ram the ball down field late in a close game and some f****er calls a time out or a replay.  Is this a spectator sport or a snooze fest?    Last year Flutie ran the offence in Buffalo and win or lose, they were fun to watch.  This year, the ego weenie coaches ran everything and ZZZZZZZZZZ.  The CFL used to have games that worked this way but the f***ing brain trust running it, decided that declining fan support meant that they had to imitate the NFL  Now we have timeouts, probably replays next season, and ego weenie coaches trying to run everything. Talk about f***ing up a great game.  Play the f***ing game on the field!!!! disgruntled football fan Peter

i’m with ya peter. i just hope subaru doesn’t sponsor nfl stuff or i’m in deep ka-ka with marie. it would be kinda hard explaining a yugo to her b/c of some silly football game. dale, no one else wants him paul, rugby? r, no quandry for me, everyone knows i drink busch, oh, ummm, guess i’ll have to switch to pabst allan, "and this was, called correctly by the officials" … on the field? levi, go back to sleep walt ps… i thought this group was rough…let me tell ya, we’re pussies compared to those boyos over at the tampa bay buc newsgroup this eve — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Salmon Fly writes:

(snip) From then on it’s been 22 dancers and a couple of zebras and It’s rather funny to watch. But’ it’s not a sport.

The only sports are mountain climbing, auto racing and bull fighting.  All the rest are games according to EH.  fwiw Dave L.

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No, Walt you’re not the only one. After college I started playing Rugby. A much saner and safer sport. For years I wouldn’t watch football because it was so rediculous. I started playing rugby about the same time as the instant replay wich made it seem even worse. A few years ago a friend invited me over to watch a game and I went. Sometime during the game the topic got to the state of the sport to which he replied. This isn’t a sport. It’s made for TV sensationalism to generate revenues for the network. Kind of like 60 Minutes or pro wrestling. From then on it’s been 22 dancers and a couple of zebras and It’s rather funny to watch. But’ it’s not a sport. Paul And this has nothing to do with the local team.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv?  snippings < FIX!   . Walt

AMEN brother. If that was an incomplete pass then so was the goddamn St. Louis touchdown reception. Tampa was robbed, and I’m a Redskin fan. In the Tampa/Skins game Dan Turks’ blown snap was a little funny too. Didn’t think about that till I saw a tape of the game and the shot of the Turk brothers on the sideline grinning. Bob Before you buy.

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[whining snipped] <g From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL.

Well, gee, let’s hope Hardy, Lamson, Courtland et al don’t ever decide to be the official fly-fishing gear provider of the NFL. Talk about yer conflict of interest… –Steve

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv?

Huh?  I assume you are talking about the St. Louis/Tampa Bay game?  I dozed off in the second half of the fourth quarter.  You do realize that part of the new instant replay policy is that the refs upstairs can challenge a call on the field in the final two minutes of the 2nd and 4th quarters?  Is that what happened? — Levi Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.                                                         — Dave Barry

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

That solves your Budweiser quandary…. <G R

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

Walt – I’m with ya 100% on replays plus I’ll go further and ban timeouts and plays called in from the sidelines.  Let the players on the field decide the outcome of a game – that’s where the drama is. Do you want to see a quarterback disect a defence?  A linebacker corps panic a QB into jelly?  Or watch a coach think or a ref peer into a monitor?   Nothing worse than watching an offence ram the ball down field late in a close game and some f****er calls a time out or a replay.  Is this a spectator sport or a snooze fest?    Last year Flutie ran the offence in Buffalo and win or lose, they were fun to watch.  This year, the ego weenie coaches ran everything and ZZZZZZZZZZ.  The CFL used to have games that worked this way but the f***ing brain trust running it, decided that declining fan support meant that they had to imitate the NFL  Now we have timeouts, probably replays next season, and ego weenie coaches trying to run everything. Talk about f***ing up a great game.  Play the f***ing game on the field!!!! disgruntled football fan Peter

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another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

That sucked almost as much as being a Cowboys fan. Since it appears you are getting totaly out of the NFL could you please advise as to how we can fire the Cowboy’s owner? Big Dale

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As I understand the re-play rule, to overturn a field call, the reviewer must see clear evidence that the play was called incorrectly. If the re-play official saw clear evidence he/she must have seen something that no one else did, not even Madden & Summerall. Don’t know if any one call alters the outcome but that review was b.s. No I’m not a Tampa Bay or a St. Louis fan (actually, I root for the Giants). Just a fan who enjoys a good game, and this was, called correctly by the officials.

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I thought the officials on the field signaled the play to be a completed catch. Isn’t the rule that in the last 2 minutes of a 1/2 or the game, only the ‘upstairs re-play reviewers’ can call for a time out for a replay?

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Would impeachment work?  It wasn’t effective on Clinton, but then Jerry Jones doesn’t have perfect hair. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt That sucked almost as much as being a Cowboys fan. Since it appears you are getting totaly out of the NFL could you please advise as to how we can fire the Cowboy’s owner? Big Dale

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go vikings, they are like the steelhead runs on lake superiors north shore, slowly going downhill     tony of mn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv?  snippings < FIX!   . Walt AMEN brother. If that was an incomplete pass then so was the goddamn St. Louis touchdown reception. Tampa was robbed, and I’m a Redskin fan. In the Tampa/Skins game Dan Turks’ blown snap was a little funny too. Didn’t think about that till I saw a tape of the game and the shot of the Turk brothers on the sideline grinning. Bob Before you buy.

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

I was wondering if a certain Floridian-by-birth-if-not-by-nature was blowing his cookies this afternoon ;^) I think they blew that call, but I’m not as sure that it would have made any difference. They were struggling and I don’t think they had enough time (or momentum) to score. /daytripper (we might get a decent Superbowl for a friggin’ change!)

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A couple of years ago I got caught up on FF list and attended a gathering in the Lake Placid area with a friend that lives in the area. We met a good  bunch of folk that liked to party, smoke cigars, drink single malt and wear funny hats and my recently widowed buddy looked like scoring.  On leaving on the Sunday I said to my friend, "what did you think", and he replied, "very wierd, non of ‘em can cast worth a shit" I guess it is different now because it is just not the computery types that haunt the list, but is it?   The list has really changed not only in members but in content. I can remember getting shit for starting a thread that was only marginal flyfishing . Keep it up boys, it may not be flyfishing but it is entertaining and educating. Terry Ps what is the average lifespan for a patriarch on the list?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A couple of years ago I got caught up on FF list and attended a gathering in the Lake Placid area with a friend that lives in the area. We met a good  bunch of folk that liked to party, smoke cigars, drink single malt and wear funny hats and my recently widowed buddy looked like scoring.  On leaving on the Sunday I said to my friend, "what did you think", and he replied, "very wierd, non of ‘em can cast worth a shit" I guess it is different now because it is just not the computery types that haunt the list, but is it? The list has really changed not only in members but in content. I can remember getting shit for starting a thread that was only marginal flyfishing . Keep it up boys, it may not be flyfishing but it is entertaining and educating. Terry Ps what is the average lifespan for a patriarch on the list?

Terry, now that you mention it, that’s how our first NC clave was I’ll never fergit IJ in that raffle hat that Jeff donated. What a sight Course, some of us can cast, aspersions that is. http://users.boone.net/wgw/clave.html everyone’s invited! Walt — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://www.bibliofind.com/cgi-bin/texis.exe/s/search/dhome.html?id=33…

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terry, your post is more than a bit gehrke-esque…   …guess we all have different measures or standards for determining the worth or nature of a fisherman.  whether someone can "cast worth a shit" isn’t among any of my criteria for making a judgment (maybe cause i can’t cast worth a shit). i like what mcguane said:         "Uncle Ben, was my father a good fisherman?"         "No, Tommy, he was not.  But no one loved it more." I prefer the company of fishermen who "love it", and could give a rip whether they can cast or even catch fish. I like fishing with them, and, if they like fishing with someone who "loves it", I think they’ll like fishing with me. jeff   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A couple of years ago I got caught up on FF list and attended a gathering in the Lake Placid area with a friend that lives in the area. We met a good  bunch of folk that liked to party, smoke cigars, drink single malt and wear funny hats and my recently widowed buddy looked like scoring.  On leaving on the Sunday I said to my friend, "what did you think", and he replied, "very wierd, non of ‘em can cast worth a shit" I guess it is different now because it is just not the computery types that haunt the list, but is it? The list has really changed not only in members but in content. I can remember getting shit for starting a thread that was only marginal flyfishing . Keep it up boys, it may not be flyfishing but it is entertaining and educating. Terry Ps what is the average lifespan for a patriarch on the list?

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Terry, At the Spring ‘99 clave and the Fall Ball clave (Oct ‘99) I had the opportunity to observe, and fish with, a cross-section of roff participants and I can state that there are quite a number that can, indeed cast.  Several can also catch fish.  As for the consumption of single malt, cigars, etc, that has been raised to an art form. Evolving, I might add. During the in-between and subsequent periods, I have continued to sully my reputation by associating with some members of the aforementioned group: the downward spiral notwithstanding. The Darwinian progression of this group will eventually and undoubtedly, exceed any one individual’s ability to describe or define it.  In the meantime, I will just wear my funny hat(s) and try to avoid anyone watching me cast.. about that…. And, you’re right, it’s not just "just not the computery types", there’re engineers here now….. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -. A couple of years ago I got caught up on FF list and attended a gathering in the Lake Placid area with a friend that lives in the area. We met a good  bunch of folk that liked to party, smoke cigars, drink single malt and wear funny hats and my recently widowed buddy looked like scoring.  On leaving on the Sunday I said to my friend, "what did you think", and he replied, "very wierd, non of ‘em can cast worth a shit" I guess it is different now because it is just not the computery types that haunt the list, but is it? The list has really changed not only in members but in content. I can remember getting shit for starting a thread that was only marginal flyfishing . Keep it up boys, it may not be flyfishing but it is entertaining and educating. Terry Ps what is the average lifespan for a patriarch on the list?

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I’m going to be in Nashville from this Friday the 12th untill the following Wendsday the 17th.  I am wondering if anyone knows some good fly fishing spots around the area where I can get a good days fishing in. Thanks in Advance, Ryan Nobrega

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Hi Ryan, When you get there check with Cumberland Transit Fly Shop at 321-4069.

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As it seems like golf is kinda taking over the ‘clave, I propose we rename the fishing part "The Tim Walker Invitaional Wet Golf Classic." Now for the hard part.  We have to select the course, figure out scoring and handicapping, what consitutes "out of bounds", penalty strokes for refusals and long-line releases, plus important stuff, like who’s cabin is the 19th hole and will Tim fly out from Aspen to award the trophy.  (I hear it’s a creel and priest combo.) Peter

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and will Tim fly out from Aspen to award the trophy.  (I hear it’s a creel and priest combo.)

Wrong. I heard from influential sources close to the PGA that the grand prize at the first annual ROFF Classic is a demo version of Mr.G’s rod with the inscription in gold flake: "Spare the rod and spoil the child." Regards, Anthony Ritter

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award the trophy.  (I hear it’s a creel and priest combo.) Wrong. I heard from influential sources close to the PGA that the grand prize at the first annual ROFF Classic is a demo version of Mr.G’s rod with the inscription in gold flake: "Spare the rod and spoil the child." Regards,Anthony Ritter

An excellent prize. I shall treasure it always. –Wataugan "counting da booty" Walt

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award the trophy.  (I hear it’s a creel and priest combo.) Wrong. I heard from influential sources close to the PGA that the grand prize at the first annual ROFF Classic is a demo version of Mr.G’s rod with the inscription in gold flake: "Spare the rod and spoil the child." Regards,Anthony Ritter An excellent prize. I shall treasure it always. –Wataugan "counting da booty" Walt

All I have to say is somebody had better take pictures and put up a webpage after all this for those of us who can’t make it to the clave.  We expect the final tally’s for all competitions held including all the embarrassing details.  :-) Later,      - Ken

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Why not save time and just fish the hazards ? "Let’s Dance" Rodney Dangerfield,  Caddyshack — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Why not save time and just fish the hazards ?

Tim, It must be *exciting* to have an annual golf tourney named after you.  Will you be on hand at the clubhouse to make the presentation of the Orvis bullett proof vest a la the Masters? Keep on swingin’, Anthony Ritter

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – to award the trophy.  (I hear it’s a creel and priest combo.) Wrong. I heard from influential sources close to the PGA that the grand prize at the first annual ROFF Classic is a demo version of Mr.G’s rod with the inscription in gold flake: "Spare the rod and spoil the child." Regards,Anthony Ritter An excellent prize. I shall treasure it always. –Wataugan "counting da booty" Walt

____ Do not, send a boy to do a man’s job. ; ) (Thank you God)  Don’t let this characters get away. please (We should have a video tape of the skins game) —

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I will be fishing Shasta Lake in California the last week in April from a boat, float tube and shore.  What fly patterns should I use for this lake and this time of year ? TIA, Bob

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Ask the boys at:  http://www.theflyshop.com/ in Redding, CA…this is right up their alley…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be fishing Shasta Lake in California the last week in April from a boat, float tube and shore.  What fly patterns should I use for this lake and this time of year ? TIA, Bob

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I will be fishing Shasta Lake in California the last week in April from a boat, float tube and shore.  What fly patterns should I use for this lake and this time of year ? TIA, Bob

Hi Bob, That is a great time for bass and trout. There are thread fin shad in the lake that can be anywhere from 1/2" to 2" long that all the fish feed upon. The fish are all near the surface in the fall, winter and spring so fly fishing will be great. Hal Janssen developed a mylar shad imitation many years ago that is one of the standard patterns in most CA valley reservoirs. Another fly is a #6/8 brown woolly bugger for an attractor pattern for bass. I would have a floater if you find them ‘busting’ on top(most of that in the fall). Then I would have a full sinking line to get down about 10 feet. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I need to buy some new DT, #6 fly line to replace my old, green double taper.  There are so many different colors available now:  fluorescent orange or mint green, Hi-Vis Chartreuse, moon glo, etc.  Any pros or cons on the high visibility lines?  I like the idea and am kind of partial to the fluorescent orange but I’m not sure how the fish feel about it.   Please respond by e-mail as well as to the group as my news server is not reliable. Thanks, — To reply, remove one "bs" from E-mail address

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A fish looking up at a floating fly line will see it as a black outline against the sky regardless of what colour it is. Buy the colour that you will be able to see best in your fishing environment. I suspect you will now be inundated with people telling you otherwise, such is life! — Regards Peter (Remove "nospam"to email)

:I need to buy some new DT, #6 fly line to replace my old, green double :taper.  There are so many different colors available now:  fluorescent range or mint green, Hi-Vis Chartreuse, moon glo, etc.  Any pros or cons n the high visibility lines?  I like the idea and am kind of partial to :the fluorescent orange but I’m not sure how the fish feel about it. :  Please respond by e-mail as well as to the group as my news server is :not reliable. : :Thanks, : :– :To reply, remove one "bs" from E-mail address

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I would have to agree with the other post.  If the flyline is close enough to get noticed by the fish you’ve got problems no matter what color it is. Good Fishing C. Segina

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Another trick I’ve employed (I think) successfully is to "camoflage" the last 20 feet of fly line by marking it up with olive and brown Prismatic waterproof markers. Not only does this eliminate (or at least reduce) the appearance of a solid line in the water, the tiger-stripe type markings let you gauge very accurate which part of the line is drifting faster or slower to help you make appropriate mends and achieve longer draft-diminished drifts. Dave McCarty

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Peter,   Thanks for the response.  I didn’t suppose that color of the line must make much difference or they wouldn’t offer so many color combinations.  It’s kind of funny that most fly tying instructions seem very specific about certain materials and colors and   if you don’t use the proper combination you won’t catch fish but you can plop  any color fly line on the water and it will be OK.  I guess the leader puts enough distance between fly and line so that the line is not noticed.   It seems like the bright orange line would be like a giant strike indicator and would come in handy for fishing nymphs. Thanks, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A fish looking up at a floating fly line will see it as a black outline against the sky regardless of what colour it is. Buy the colour that you will be able to see best in your fishing environment. I suspect you will now be inundated with people telling you otherwise, such is life! — Regards Peter

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter,   Thanks for the response.  I didn’t suppose that color of the line must make much difference or they wouldn’t offer so many color combinations.  It’s kind of funny that most fly tying instructions seem very specific about certain materials and colors and if you don’t use the proper combination you won’t catch fish but you can plop  any color fly line on the water and it will be OK.  I guess the leader puts enough distance between fly and line so that the line is not noticed.   It seems like the bright orange line would be like a giant strike indicator and would come in handy for fishing nymphs. Thanks, A fish looking up at a floating fly line will see it as a black outline against the sky regardless of what colour it is. Buy the colour that you will be able to see best in your fishing environment. I suspect you will now be inundated with people telling you otherwise, such is life! — Regards Peter

      It do, It do. So must be highly visible to the fisherman.                                                          John Popp                                                       in Sanford Fl.

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I have flyfished nearly daily (at least 6 months of the year) for the past 7 years or so, and part time for most of the last 30+ years. During that time I have worn out at least one line per season. I have tried many colors during that time, and experience tells me that color does make a difference. Two years ago, a hunting friend related to me how his bowhunting had improved dramatically after using special treatments to kill the Ultra Violet rays in his hunting clothes (both regular camo and hunter orange) claiming that game animals, many birds, and some fish react badly to clothing reflecting these light spectrums. Without getting too technical, their eyes have adopted and evolved over time to work in the very low light conditions of dawn and dusk when UV light is about all of the spectrum still present. Studies in the last 3 or 4 years have pretty well documented that these portions of the spectrum are far more visable to many other creatures than they are to humans. I read a good deal about it, and gave it a skeptical try. I was shocked to see my good camo glowing like crazy under a blacklight test. On the other hand, my Filson bright red & black checkered wool double mack cruiser(worn for about 100 years by some of the best guides in the world) was practically invisible. I learned that I could not guess before turning out the lights, which fabrics would glare bright purple(to me..) and which turned from colorful to dead black(no reflection). After spraying my clothes and a repeat of the tests under blacklight, the difference was astounding. But flick the light back on, and they look the same as they always have! The product I used is called U.V. Blocker. It’s made by the Atsko Company (Snow Seal, etc.) and they put out an excellent publication regarding this subject that is provided free with their Sport Wash/UV Blocker combo package (about $11 for both products and the book). They may even have a web site as it is a large company. I haven’t tried the UV blocker on my fly line, but I am tempted! Anyway, the increase in my hunting success was trmendous, and I no longer assume animals, birds, or fish see the same colors as we do. I now stay away from anything that flouresces under a black light. Unbeknowst to me, my forest color untreated camo was as visible to the game animals as a ripe tomatoe is to you on a bright green bush, especially at the most important hunting times of dawn and dusk. As a bow and rifle hunter for almost three months of the year, my field tests are not very scientific, but they are numerous, and I can assure you that there is a difference. The discoveries being made in these areas are still in their infancy. My vote would be to take a chance with the bright line if you are new to the sport and need the brightly colored line to aid in watching your backcast, mending, or detecting strikes. Otherwise, go as far away from the UV colors as you can get. Oddly enough, manufacturers of hunting camo for the most part still intentionally add UV brighteners to their fabrics even though they are aware (or should be)of the detrimental effect they have on game. Their product does appear slightly "brighter" to the human eye on the store shelf and I suppose they are more interested in selling it to you than in your success afterwards. It is possible that line manufacturers know the same thing. That bright orange sure looks better in the box than what I have on MY reel. Trust your initial observations regarding fly color being important… And yes, I am fully aware that people I respect and admire will disagree. All I can tell you about that is that I catch more trout than they do The Tortoise   Thanks for the response.  I didn’t suppose that color of the line must make much difference or they wouldn’t offer so many color combinations.  It’s kind of funny that most fly tying instructions seem very specific about certain materials and colors and if you don’t use the proper combination you won’t catch fish but you can plop  any color fly line on the water and it will be OK.

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– Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) 9:10:28 PM     Friday, April 24, 1998 I am a big fan of grey lines.  Not very good for photographs, awesome for fishing!

 Presumeably then the new breed of clear fly lines are going to put all the others out of business? I don’t doubt that grey/clear lines have their uses, as you say, in clear shallow water, but certainly for most of the fishing we do in the UK, no difference for the reasons I have already mentioned. That is a great topic!  Awesome, this is what the news groups are for,

I agree! learning.  The cat that said fly line color doesn’t matter is probably fooling himself.

No, see previous comments. I actually use an Airflo 7000 Glass which is almost translucent pale blue and generally fish a 18-20 ft leader. Why then am I sometimes outfished by people with bright orange hi viz lines? Probably because they can see delicate takes that I am missing. Very difficult to see gentle takes at 25 yards + with a pale line in ripple. The fly color, shot color and fly line along with the flash of a bright object over head of the fish all come to play while fly fishing.  Thanks for the tip on the camo, I plan to invest in some better fishing clothes, nee on the bright stuff I always say.  Stealthy presentation! So, I make a Internet magazine about small stream fly fishing.

Perfect conditions for light/clear lines.  I invite – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -anyone to make a article about this topic, I will post the article.  I am sure that there will be a tremendous debate over it… Thanks all, adam Small Stream Fly Fishing http://www.smallstreams.com

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Bob When you use a fly, it is generally IN the water with the trout which do have colour vision. Even dry flies need to be at least an approximation of the natural as they are open to very close inspection by the fish as you will know if you have watched them swim up and then swim away like I have!! Fly line on the other hand, is only seen in silhouette and not closely inspected, so no problem. — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter,  Thanks for the response.  I didn’t suppose that color of the line must make much difference or they wouldn’t offer so many color combinations.  It’s kind of funny that most fly tying instructions seem very specific about certain materials and colors and if you don’t use the proper combination you won’t catch fish but you can plop  any color fly line on the water and it will be OK.  I guess the leader puts enough

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9:10:28 PM     Friday, April 24, 1998 I am a big fan of grey lines.  Not very good for photographs, awesome for fishing!   Lee’s Ferry, a tailwater in North Central Arizona is my test bed.  My fishing partner, new to Lee’s Ferry brought his BRIGHT HI VIS ORANGE fly line.  While dead drifting nymphs on a 9 foot leader in gin clear water, he just could not seem to catch trout.  I thought it was his technique.  I am catching fish left right and center, my buddy, zip.  He gets a big tangle in his leader, and starts cursing because he doesn’t have another one (second mistake).  I give him my rig to fish while I rig a new leader for him. First cast with my rig, he is into a big rainbow (grey line).  We laugh, so with his rig ready (ORANGE fly line) I start to fish it.  Nothing, not one fish!  He is now catching fish with my rig and I have the same leader and shot/fly combo and I am not catching with the ORANGE fly line. I agree with the fellow about the UV spectrum.  My favorite fishing times are in low light conditions, seems the fishing is better then, and that is the nature of things, UV spectrum development. That is a great topic!  Awesome, this is what the news groups are for, learning.  The cat that said fly line color doesn’t matter is probably fooling himself.  The fly color, shot color and fly line along with the flash of a bright object over head of the fish all come to play while fly fishing.  Thanks for the tip on the camo, I plan to invest in some better fishing clothes, nee on the bright stuff I always say.  Stealthy presentation! So, I make a Internet magazine about small stream fly fishing.  I invite anyone to make a article about this topic, I will post the article.  I am sure that there will be a tremendous debate over it… Thanks all, adam Small Stream Fly Fishing http://www.smallstreams.com

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Question:

Anyone ever try the Gun Powder River in Maryland ?  Curious to know what it is like and how crowded it gets.  Any info would help. thanks

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Ask Phil Gay from Trout and About he guides it and is a very nice guy that is always happy to help folks out.Good luck.  703/525/7127 Regards, James Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO FISH THE S.PLATTE RIVER NEAR DECKERS COLORADO LET ME KNOW I CAN SHOW SOME GREAT PLACES TO FISH… ALSO IF YOU NEED LODGINGS I CAN GIVE YOU A NUMBER FOR LODGING RIGHT ON THE RIVER!!!!! I will be in Denver around May 1 and have several days to fish.  Would like to fish the S. Platte, but worry about the crowds.  Which section do you recommend: the Decker’s section or Cheesman Cyn?  Would it be better to go elsewhere to avoid the crowds, e.g the Frying Pan knowing I’ll waste half a day getting there?  Are there other streams near Denver that offer good fishing and more solitude?  Would appreciate your advice.

If you’re willing to drive from Denver to Basalt (Frying Pan), you’ll cross several good rivers, and actually drive along about 100 miles of fine water.   Beyond Eisenhower Tunnel, there’s The Blue, and just over Vail Pass there’s Gore Creek and the Eagle River, just to name a few.  Crowds are less a problem the farther west you travel (until you get to the Frying Pan).  Time is the question, however.  If you’re not familiar with these areas, and you’re based in Denver, you will spend most of the day driving.

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IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO FISH THE S.PLATTE RIVER NEAR DECKERS COLORADO LET ME KNOW I CAN SHOW SOME GREAT PLACES TO FISH… ALSO IF YOU NEED LODGINGS I CAN GIVE YOU A NUMBER FOR LODGING RIGHT ON THE RIVER!!!!!

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IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO FISH THE S.PLATTE RIVER NEAR DECKERS COLORADO LET ME KNOW I CAN SHOW SOME GREAT PLACES TO FISH… ALSO IF YOU NEED LODGINGS I CAN GIVE YOU A NUMBER FOR LODGING RIGHT ON THE RIVER!!!!!

I will be in Denver around May 1 and have several days to fish.  Would like to fish the S. Platte, but worry about the crowds.  Which section do you recommend: the Decker’s section or Cheesman Cyn?  Would it be better to go elsewhere to avoid the crowds, e.g the Frying Pan knowing I’ll waste half a day getting there?  Are there other streams near Denver that offer good fishing and more solitude?  Would appreciate your advice.

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Advice is usually worth what you pay for it, but having been in Co. for 22 yrs let me share my thoughts: 1. N. Platte is not only crowded, but very tough!! Need to have a great deal of skill to walk away with a good day. 2. The Pan is great that time of year, but also can get crowded.  If your interested, give me a call and I’ll fax a map of a few little know spots on the Pan where the crowds won’t get in your way. 3. Parts of the Blue below the resv. can be good. 4. Do you want just Rivers or are you able to belly boat? 5. There are a few spots on the Roaring Fork that are good w Green Drake coming off in late May. Hope this helps…. (Dick Fischer) writes:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO FISH THE S.PLATTE RIVER NEAR DECKERS COLORADO LET ME KNOW I CAN SHOW SOME GREAT PLACES TO FISH… ALSO IF YOU NEED LODGINGS I CAN GIVE YOU A NUMBER FOR LODGING RIGHT ON THE RIVER!!!!! I will be in Denver around May 1 and have several days to fish.  Would like to fish the S. Platte, but worry about the crowds.  Which section do you recommend: the Decker’s section or Cheesman Cyn?  Would it be better to go elsewhere to avoid the crowds, e.g the Frying Pan knowing I’ll waste half a day getting there?  Are there other streams near Denver that offer good fishing and more solitude?  Would appreciate your advice.

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Will be traveling in the vicinity of Greeneville, TN the 3rd week of June.  Will be introducing by father-in-law to fly fishing and would appreciate some help in locating areas that might be productive.  We’ll be visiting from California and would be happy to sway info on local hot spots. Thanks in advance.

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TRY GATLINBURG AREA FOR SOME GREAT FLY FISHIND—GREENBRIAR AREA …CADES COVE….ELKMONT….HAD SOME GREAT HATCHES…GOOD FISHING!!!!!

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Yes, Elkmont is a good spot.  Caught some nice browns there on a delta wing caddis, with olive body.  Nice fish!   A sunny day,      a box of midges,         and a wandering stream…   Man, this MUST be heaven!   <    Steve Kulpa    <<

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